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Speaker 1: you stand with on X. Uh, you're honest? How um

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Speaker 1: you know, if you talk about what's written in your hand,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get it. You're gonna get an enormous amount

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Speaker 1: of feedback. That's fine, a lot of like what you

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Speaker 1: really ought to do, and what I would do and

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Speaker 1: what he's doing wrong. There was a fello in town

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Speaker 1: from Tennessee visiting my brother in law. He found out

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Speaker 1: that I've got a blue tick that you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: looking to do some training with. And uh, he just

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Speaker 1: and it was great. It was informative. You know, he

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Speaker 1: runs plots for bears there in Tennessee. But uh, you

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Speaker 1: know I was I was glad to take it. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: we can talk about it and uh, I'll read some

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Speaker 1: emails what's written on his hand coon c O and meaning,

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Speaker 1: here's all, here's all not a trapper. I have never

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Speaker 1: and all my experience with trappers, I have never met

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Speaker 1: a trapper who was at risk of forgetting to check

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Speaker 1: his traps. Uh, that's all they think about. They'd be

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Speaker 1: like writing, breathe, don't forget to breathe on your hand.

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Speaker 1: But Yanni had to remind himself to go see if

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Speaker 1: he's got a coon. Yeah. Well, mostly because right now

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Speaker 1: we're very essentially located between my home and where this

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Speaker 1: And then I had to turn around and drive an

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Speaker 1: my raccoon in. Uh. And you need the raccoon for

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna introduce Mangus the Blue t the blue Tike

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Speaker 1: Yanni some valuable feedback, tell him that he named his

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Speaker 1: dog all wrong. Mingus. We could have named it sounds

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Speaker 1: like a disease. Did you like? Did you hear Yanni

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Speaker 1: got Mingus real bad? That's what I could picture saying

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Speaker 1: to somebody. Most of the world really likes that name.

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Speaker 1: It's a musician right, Yeah, Charles Mingus plays jazz, used

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Speaker 1: to play jazz? What happened to him? Died? That's a

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Speaker 1: good name origin here in in our home state here. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you raccoons are nine game. They're not listened as a

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Speaker 1: same with rabbits, squirrels, or at least the fox squirrels.

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Speaker 1: And your goal here in the end is to have

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Speaker 1: a versatile hunting dog, no hound dog, versatile hound dog.

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Speaker 1: he's not ranging too far, which could be a problem

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Speaker 1: because exactly he needs to be able to cut loose

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Speaker 1: for two, three or four hours sometimes. But I mean

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Speaker 1: when we've been running trails, he's not ranging too far.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's been doing good. But I can tell

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Speaker 1: got no problem ranging and going out of out of

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Speaker 1: you know, uh, audible range. I'm curious about your level

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Speaker 1: dead raccoons laying around. Oh, for the raccoons, it would

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Speaker 1: I don't think Jake's got one in a decade, even

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Speaker 1: I never shot at one of them. The other day,

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Speaker 1: I we're still eating it. I was down in New Mexican.

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Speaker 1: We had a thing called Freedo Pie. You guys know

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Speaker 1: what Friedo Pious going to introduce yourself, Tell people what

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Speaker 1: and tell me again. It's friedos with what corn chips, chili,

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Speaker 1: Like how I didn't know about that is embarrassing. But

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Speaker 1: I got home. You've certainly had chili with corn chips

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Speaker 1: like the relationship between the chili ratio. That's what you're

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Speaker 1: had that still said two thousand seventeen on the package.

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Speaker 1: I braised it down. Yeah, I think I've got one left. No,

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Speaker 1: Pete gave you know what, No, because mine's two thoev

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Speaker 1: had something that Pete gave me. God, this suffing is good, though, man.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think i'd be letting those lions run. No,

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Speaker 1: little ahead of you on that one. Although Mark George,

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Speaker 1: if you're listening, Jake said, you know what you ought

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Speaker 1: because he's he's doing it for the government. You can't

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Speaker 1: the government doing all kinds of research. And where most houndsmen,

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Speaker 1: I think, you know you're doing really well if you're

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Speaker 1: like Jake and you're putting up you know, um, twenty

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Speaker 1: take mangus out there, do some government work and just

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Speaker 1: hang out with with him for a week, he says.

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Speaker 1: Because what Jake keeps telling me, he's like, somewhere between

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Speaker 1: it's like that's also where they die. Seven and twelve

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Speaker 1: bit it right in the head. Yeah, what's crazy is

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Speaker 1: that after that those dogs, man, they have such a

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Speaker 1: to say. Uh, Karane got her ass handed to her.

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Speaker 1: GM strawberries. I never used that expression. And the more

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Speaker 1: Where would that come from? Like we had this conversation yesterday,

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Speaker 1: Because one is very polite and he's like, sorry for

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Speaker 1: and healing and hearing. And then another guy, uh, where's

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Speaker 1: the one that he writes in the other guys subject

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Speaker 1: how stupid everybody is and how horrible Crim is. So

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Speaker 1: talked and mentioned it. I was like, I can't believe that,

425
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: you know, And then like we get back to the trucker.

426
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't forget. At some point whatever he runs off

427
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: to supposedly go flip a rock, comes back and then

428
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: it gets light and look over and I'm like, hold on,

429
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: is that yours right there? If you talked about it, yeah,

430
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh yeah, like that's how we roll

431
00:27:54,960 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: down here. And I don't know Arizona, I don't know

432
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: that in the desert that like you're supposed to like

433
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: smear it like kind of like to not like disrupt

434
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: cryptobiotic soil. Yes, that is, but that does not involve

435
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: that's bringing your TP, bringing your TP out, or depending

436
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: on conditions, you could always tort your TP, though there

437
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: have been I've been trying to get Spencer New Hearts

438
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: to do an article about all the um crazy things

439
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: have started forest fires. There was a TP burning situation

440
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: that started a big forest fire. There's a situation where

441
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: some guys are having a gender reveal party. When I

442
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: thought when I heard this story, I in my head

443
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: thought that it was someone changing their gender and that

444
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: was the party, but it wasn't. It was someone who's yeah,

445
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: and A and his buddies filled a tanner right thing

446
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: with the appropriate colored powder so that he could shoot

447
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: it with his rifle and it would blow up pink

448
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 1: or blue and he would find out if he's had

449
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: in a board. I'm not joking. That started a big

450
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: forest fire. A woman burning love letters her job. She

451
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: was like a forest service employee burning love letters and

452
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: started a big forest fire. And yeah, and there was

453
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: a tepee burning scenario, so be careful burning your TP however, Yeah,

454
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: there are places where he's supposed to smear on rocks.

455
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: One of my favorite stories about flipping rock. You know

456
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: this happened to Mo fallon Ramsey. You're probably getting concerned

457
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: that we're not even gonna get to you. Don't worry. Um, okay,

458
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: this is a finny story. So we were filming in

459
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: Hawaii years ago and one of our camera guys, Mo,

460
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: he got there earlier or something cause he wanted to surf.

461
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: He's got he's got a rental car, like rents a car,

462
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: rents a surfboard, gets down to the beach. He doesn't

463
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: know what to do with his keys, so he finds

464
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: us like conspicuous, easily identified rock and lifts the rock

465
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: up and throws the keys under the rock and then

466
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: goes and surfs. So it gets done surfing, and he

467
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: comes back up to the rock and flips the rock,

468
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: but there's no keys. He's like, what's been another rock?

469
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: So now he starts getting into a panic, running around

470
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: flipping all these rocks. None of the rocks look like

471
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: the same rock, goes back, lifts up the rock again

472
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: no keys. Eventually he realizes that someone had taken a growler,

473
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: had rolled the rock out, took a growler, put the

474
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: rock back, but the growler stuck to the rock, so

475
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: that when Mo put his keys in the the deuce

476
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: trying to use captured the keys, and when he would

477
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: lift the rock up, the keys would ride up with

478
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: the rock. And only way later did he finally get

479
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: around looking and realize the keys. And then he had to,

480
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, get them all cleaned up. So next time

481
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: we run a car in Hawaii, don't lick the keys.

482
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Speaker 1: Um Can I just circle back to one thing that

483
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: you want to get back into your strawberry problems? Um

484
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: Hans introduced herself. Yeah, I'm a video editor here, HANSI Deschermeyer,

485
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of letters there, but it's

486
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Speaker 1: fanatic and h a n z I Deshermeyer long one.

487
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about that one. And this

488
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: is your first it's my first podcast. Are you ready? Yeah,

489
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: let's hear it. The reason Hans he's in here is

490
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: he's an enthusiastic hunter of ducks fanatic, fanatic And what

491
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: better conversation for you to participate in than one with

492
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: our guest Ramsey Russell get ducks proud of? Here? Is

493
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: that clapping for your sag or no flaving to introduced?

494
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: The guests impressed with that? Actually, so you uh tell

495
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: everybody what you're doing right now. Thirty years ago I

496
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: had heard misinformation. It was misinformation. I wish I wasn't

497
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: good enough. Shaped U pedal across the country again. But

498
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: thirty years ago, I was twenty four, much younger, in

499
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: a college roommate, and I rode bicycles from bar Harbor

500
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: Main out to the Olympic Peninsula just because we were young.

501
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: It was there thirty years later, there's a stick in

502
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: our spokes. Nobody's traveling with his jobs interrupted. My job's interrupted.

503
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: He calls up and says, hey, let's go spin around

504
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks. Cant and bike. I said,

505
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: let's do it. So you're doing kind of the same thing,

506
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: but you're just interrupting the biking with driving. Yeah, driving

507
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: and just meeting with people and doing things. It's more

508
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: like a day trip. We we drive here, we stopped,

509
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: we stayed for a few days, We spent around and

510
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: bike ride like we're at home, and go the next destiny.

511
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Speaker 1: So you stayed an enthusiastic bicyclist over the years, No,

512
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: there's been. There was a long absence when I got

513
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: busy and we're did some other things. But yeah, I

514
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: tried to stay in shape, you know, so I like

515
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: to ride bicycles. You know, think about ride a bicycle

516
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: versus real working out. I feel like a kid who

517
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: don't feel like a kid ride a bicycle. I agree,

518
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: But it was a it was a heck of a

519
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: summer Stephen that you know, it's it's uh. We were

520
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: just riding a bicycle and rode across the country and

521
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: had a great time. But I see, I see now

522
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: we're seeing America at fifty miles a day versus eighty

523
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: miles an hour. It just created this wanderlust. It became

524
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: manifesting what came later down the road. Uh, what'state? Were

525
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: you born in Mississippi? Was when born and raised? Yep?

526
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: I heard I caught you saying earlier. I overheard you

527
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: saying when you're out in the lobby there, that you

528
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: appeared on a TV thing once and they subtitled you.

529
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yesh, it's way way back when, uh

530
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: fIF twenty years ago. It was an outdoor television show

531
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: and everybody had nice accents like yourselves. And they subtitled

532
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: me and and I was trying to emulate and adopt,

533
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, the correct pronunciation of word. I've sents given up,

534
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: but they actually subtitled me. So I'd asked, Hunty, how

535
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: are y'all gonna subtitle me to? Well? Well, Sam? Also Sam,

536
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: who we heard about you from or through? Yes, Sam's

537
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: our talent. Yeah, said you had a really nice drawl.

538
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: That's a good description. Got a face for radio, and

539
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: I accent for Andy Griffith. Um tell people you do

540
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: for a living? We we really we get ducks. And

541
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: I love to say that. You know when you beat

542
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: somebody and you say how are you and find? What

543
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: do you do? I get ducks? Huh? But really we

544
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: are we We sell international duck hunts. We sell duck

545
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: hunts on six continents, duck hunting adventures. I should say,

546
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: how come night on seven, I hadn't found any on

547
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: antarcticle yet? Are there? I don't think so? Too cold? Yeah,

548
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know if I'm the edge of it somehow,

549
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: at some point in time, some some plagic you know,

550
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: Australia's about. Australia is about as close as I'm aware,

551
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: maybe Tasmania. I don't know how much close you can

552
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: get to Antarctica. If there are ducks on an article,

553
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: somebody let me know I'm heading that way. Um so

554
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: you you've personally hunted ducks on six continents? How many

555
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: kinds of ducks I believe I believe I've shot to?

556
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: You know when I include subspecies UM hundred and twelve

557
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: subspecies of waterfowl plus um let's slay another nine of

558
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: the North American Canada geese, so a hundred twenty three subspecies. Yeah,

559
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: but the number of North American Canada geese tax on

560
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: them is keep reducing it. It went from like twenty

561
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: three to two. I think it's a well it's eleven.

562
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: Now you've got you've got Canada geese which are the

563
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: big ones, Cackler geese with the small ones. You've got

564
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: seven subspecies. So they still accept that. I thought that

565
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: they keep like you know, like j with genetics, everything

566
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: either gets more complicated or less complicated, but nothing is

567
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,959
Speaker 1: stay of the same. I think I think they sub

568
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: group amenda Canadas and cacklers more for a uh sportsman's list,

569
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: But there really are if you look, there's no there's

570
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of us subpopulation of

571
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: Canada geese. When you get into it there they're they're

572
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: breeding and their migrations are isolated. I mean, they're just

573
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: are trying to think of one real quick. The dusky

574
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: Canada goose come down the Pacific Flyaway, the interior start

575
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: up and it's up in the Arctic and kind of

576
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: come down to mid towards the Missipi fly Away through

577
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: Ottawa Valley and peel over the James Bay. Population of

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00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: the interiors come from a similar area, but there there

579
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: they don't overlap. And you see that on band recoveries.

580
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: So you've got you've got these little populations of Canada geese,

581
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: and whether they're becoming hybridized, who knows. But but now

582
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: I still accept I think they're still accepted to be

583
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: eleven total subspecies of Canada geese. And you've got all

584
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: those I need to I need. I need two of

585
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: the Pacific ones that I'm aware I need the dusky

586
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: probably have to go to Copper River, Alaska area to

587
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: get on those good and I need what I believe

588
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: I need is the the Vancouver which is endemic more

589
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: or less in the breeding area to British Columbia. What uh,

590
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: how did you get? I'm just curious, like, like, uh,

591
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: how'd you even get into the path that would lead

592
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: you to being like an international boy, a world traveling

593
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: duck guide. I was working for the US federal government.

594
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: I went to college want to be a wildlife biologist,

595
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: became a forester, and I wanted, I really I left

596
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: the Deep South to go up north in Canada. To

597
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,479
Speaker 1: go I wanted to shoot Canada geese, migreater Canada geese,

598
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: real Canada geese, and experienced the prairies. And I went

599
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: and brought some friends. The first trip we I booked

600
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: to Canada was a just a disaster. And anybody's booked

601
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: enough hunts knows they exist. It's just nothing like, nothing

602
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: like it was represented to be, and just a complete

603
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: nutter cluster. And again to do my due diligence and

604
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: met another outfitter in Alberta and brought a few friends,

605
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: and the following year a few more in to following

606
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: you're a few morning to call him outside and said, hey,

607
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: I'd like you to be my booking agent. I'm like,

608
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: what the hell is a booking agent. I'm a government

609
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: I'm a forcer for the US federal government. Pretty explained

610
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: it to me. And I started off just okay, I'll

611
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: help bring some hunters to this guy. Thanks. Bun out

612
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: of hand. I mean it just one step, one one.

613
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: It just it just bun out of hand, slowly, but

614
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: surely I did. I did not start out say I'm

615
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: gonna hunt six continents and sell hunts on six continents.

616
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: It just happened. So are you still? Are you primarily

617
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: a booking agent? Now? Are you you have your own guy? Now,

618
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: I'm a booking agent. I'm a booking agent. You know,

619
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: there's there's so many mental steps and what we do,

620
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: and I hate that word booking agent, because there's a

621
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: lot of nefarious ones out there in this business that

622
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: don't do their due diligence, you know, And it's very

623
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: important to me that that if I'm gonna represent to

624
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: you that this hunt is better than some of the

625
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: other ones down there, that I've been there myself, and

626
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: but I've been to them all. So we go to

627
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: them and we scout them, and we've gotten off in

628
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: the bushes to where Argentina, for example, we know a

629
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: lot of our outfitters down there. We found them, we

630
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: developed them. They don't exist online, they don't exist. Purity

631
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: set through us. And there's some really a pretty amazing hunts.

632
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: And I say just in terms of in terms of

633
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: the overall experience when we go hunting, we don't cater

634
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: to five star if you want to five star hunt,

635
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: take your wife to New York or Italy if you

636
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: want to. You want a real hunting adventure, you know,

637
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: And and and here's how here's how it differentiate, Steve

638
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: is you can go to any of those contents in

639
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: of those countries we've been to and stay at the Hilton,

640
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: but it's not the Aderbaijan experience. If you stay at

641
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: the Hilton. It's not the the Argentina experience, it's the

642
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: health and experience. Now. I want to see real Argentina

643
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: and that's where that's where we diverge and we we've

644
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: just cultivated good long term relationships with a lot of

645
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: outfitters um and built the program. My wife and I.

646
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: It's very small company. My wife and I handle this

647
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,479
Speaker 1: side of it, explained to hunt the Legiti just getting

648
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: me there, picking up the phone, the stations and stuff

649
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: like that. Uh, this is off subject, Ducks, But do

650
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: you have any hot leads on? What are you laughing about?

651
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: Because I was the old time he's explained. I'm thinking

652
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: Van Steve's gonna ask him where he can go get

653
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: one of them? Uh turkeys, What a super Slam turkey

654
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: holder is? You're looking at one, not towards honest when

655
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: you say super when you say super slam. When you

656
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: say super Slam, you're not talking to you, Sam. What

657
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: is the sleeper Slam? Then a super Slam turkey holder

658
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: such as myself? That means you've gotten all five varieties

659
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: of the American wild turkey. Now where can one go

660
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: from there? Oscillita and ghouls already did Goulds, you'd be

661
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: looking at a mirror Grand Slam holder. You need the

662
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: oscillity to become the pinnacle of a turkey man. That

663
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: called what's it called when World Slam turkey holder, at

664
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: which point I would get my World Sam Turkey holder tattoo.

665
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: But meaning like we want to go down Oscillated Turkey's

666
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: bad is what I'm getting at. But you're to find

667
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: the right I want to I don't want to be

668
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: shooting a field turkey coming out to some field. I

669
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: want to be out in the jungle. You want to

670
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: be in the jungle, And that's what I ficked to say.

671
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: You don't want to stay at the Hilton, No, no,

672
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: you wanna be You wanna be in a tent camp

673
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: in the jungle, not just where. That's where you xactly

674
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: want to be and how you hunting? You know, as

675
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: a non turkey hunter, I've killed pen turkeys in my

676
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: life and I need to marry him, just show you know,

677
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: so I can be that guy and you're in your

678
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: cry owd I love the oscillated turkey are sometimes you

679
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: can't get him here? Well, well know, but that latest

680
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: research that came out, didn't you read that email that

681
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: Turkey's corrupted. Oh, they're saying that basically all the western

682
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: United States because of the stocking efforts from thirty years ago.

683
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: There ain't up here one left. There's Hodge Fige the turkeys.

684
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I've got a lead for you

685
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: on the perfect don't say experience. I won't, but I've

686
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: got I've got the lead and you'll love it. And

687
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: I love it, and you can't bump us at the

688
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: front of the lines. We want to go to this winter.

689
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: We want to go this winter, March, whatever you want

690
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: to go. You want to go mid April next year's

691
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: when you want to go. But when you need to start,

692
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: I know, but you need to start getting the range

693
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: in the jungle. And it's it's a dry you know,

694
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: it's I don't think jungle like lush jungle thing, very

695
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: dirty jungle, very dry John that ju jule, that's right.

696
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: You stand jungle and you need a little precipitation that

697
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: the cantor start to sing. But if you go too late,

698
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: like in May, now you've got all the young birds,

699
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: Jake's fighting and everything's torn up. You want to go

700
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: mid late April and you can hunt them. Uh, of course,

701
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, a real true turkey hunter from the South

702
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 1: doesn't want to. He wants to call all the men

703
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: and interact with him and bring him in an isolated

704
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: just he's more like a game bird than a turkey.

705
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: Bush whack them well if you can. But but some yeah,

706
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: you bush whack them, you know. And everybody said, well,

707
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: you know, sneaking up on a turkey and shooting might

708
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: have trade on sound like much sport. And I'm like,

709
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: this is not like shooting in the eastern Turkey in

710
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: a pine plantation after a rain, that kind of stuff,

711
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: I know, but it it is, you know. I can

712
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: remember crashing through the you know, my my guide was

713
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: as quiet as a as a shadow. And I'm walking

714
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: behind him, sound like a kid rock concert coming through

715
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: the woods. And I walked the turkey up and he

716
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: motioned to me to be still and cover up my

717
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: watch of the reflection one showing the jungle. And then

718
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: he vanished and it was pitch black dark, and I

719
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: can't see him anywhere, but I can hear, and it's

720
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: so silent, I can hear sweat coming off my nose

721
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: and hitting the floor. Huh. And he was gone, and

722
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: when he came back minutes later and appeared almost screamed.

723
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: It scared me to death. I hadn't heard him where

724
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: he had gone up ahead of the trail to get

725
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: all the twigs and everything out of the way. That

726
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: turkey your path. He manicured my past sidlent as a ghost.

727
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: But we also hunt around fruit trees. There's like they

728
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: got these bigs of pody trees and and uh, the

729
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: native know where they are. Think of it like a

730
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: fig and it grow occasionally out in the the jungling everything

731
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: in the jungle easia. So the male birds will spin around.

732
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: They know where they are too. They're looking for the

733
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: hens and they're spending around looking. So sometimes you're in

734
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: a in an elevated blind like a very comfortable little

735
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: hammock wait waiting on those animals to come in. Or

736
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: sometimes you're hunt the water to ambush them. Yep, and

737
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: they will. Sometimes somebody's outfitters down here will turn on

738
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: male calls that make that emulate the oscillated electronics that

739
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: provokes them to start calling and become rivalry. Remember, they're

740
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: like game, they're like game roosters. I don't know that

741
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: the isolated turkeys ever assemble and male and female like

742
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: the like the Easterns of the Mirriams. I don't think

743
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: they do that. I think they still off to themselves

744
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 1: and fight. And so sometimes they'll they'll get those uh calls,

745
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: going to initiate them an electronic an electronic call or

746
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: a mouth call electronic call. And I'll tell you one

747
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: of my favorite, my favorite hunts ever in the world

748
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: was hunting an isolated turkey. And back on the road

749
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: on the you're saying, you've only killed ten turkeys, but

750
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: one of them was one of these, two of them roscillateds.

751
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: You got it all backwards. Just take it out to come.

752
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: But you know, I think I just take it out

753
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: it comes, you know. But I do like I like

754
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: the hunt. That's what appealed to me. Now you know

755
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: you're fixing to tell me another isolated story. Oh my

756
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: gosh it it was. So the guy turns on the

757
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: electronic call. The outfit are turned on the electronic call,

758
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,959
Speaker 1: and I'm following my guide through the wood for about

759
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: a mine and we're stopping and now he's walking with

760
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: the caller no no, no, electronic call, sitting on the

761
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: run and set it up and the cantor. They call

762
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: it the singing bird starts to sing back. The cantor

763
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: is the turkey? Is the turkey? No? Not that, I

764
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: just no cantour. That's interesting it So we get back

765
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 1: here in the wood. You know the cantor is in

766
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: um at a synagogue, No, HANSI Jewish? N No. But

767
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: don't they like lead? They lead the prayer basically, Yeah,

768
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: like a cancer comes up and opens the torah? You

769
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: know what that is? I do you want me to explain?

770
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: You know what the pentitutia is? I wait a second,

771
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: just say no, because the thing that hangs on the

772
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,959
Speaker 1: door that you like the first five books in the Bible? Oh,

773
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: my gosh, what's good? You know? Okay? Yeah, I think

774
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: a cantor comes up and opens the torah the scrolls

775
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: and start singing out of there. Yeah, so it's one

776
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: that sings. Oh why am I asking, Hans Karin? This

777
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: is right in your wheelhouse. You're kind of too much

778
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: of a heathen. Go on the cantor bird once they

779
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 1: use that electronic cow to get that bird in issue aided.

780
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm a mile in the woods, and my guys, I

781
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: can see him. I can see but look, I can't

782
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: hear the whistle, but I can see him whistling. And

783
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: now he's making the hand call, and the bird starts

784
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: getting closer, and we're walking kind of towards a bird,

785
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: and about that time he lifts out that sound they

786
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,959
Speaker 1: make that gobble. We sit and we're liking a little

787
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: hole in the jungle where a tree it fell at

788
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: sunshine and heavy grass. I'm sitting down facing this way,

789
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: and the turkey is so loud. Now it's making my

790
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: ear drums rattling. Inside are vibrating, so I know he's cloaks.

791
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: The guy had laid down onto belly all. He's got

792
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: a cameo shirt. He pulled it up over his head.

793
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: And by the time my ear drums are rattling, he

794
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: starts pressing me on my back. And this bird's his hammering.

795
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 1: This is hammering, and he's right here. Do me the noith.

796
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: You can't invitate that. Come come on, it's you. I

797
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: can't invitate you again. That's pretty good, okay. Asked me

798
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: to do a noise, asked me to do an impossible notice.

799
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: I know, but I can't do. I can't do an

800
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: oscillated turkey, isn't it's a rattle, it's a it's it's

801
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: a it's a out. It wasn't nothing like that, not

802
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: like that. It's more prehistoric. So it just bird is

803
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: Hammond right here and he's pressing on my back more

804
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: like a machine gun. I'm countical machine gun. Yeah yeah, yeah,

805
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: but he's right here and this guy's pressing on my back.

806
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you want me to shoot? I mean maybe

807
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: if that turkey had kept coming, he'd have been right

808
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: on the end of my gun barrel about this time.

809
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: This just Jaguar roars no oh yeah from way off,

810
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: and the bird shuts up and I can hear him

811
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: deaf as I am walking away. Well, I don't speak

812
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't speak Spanish, you don't speak English. We get

813
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: back the road and actually interpreted what was what was

814
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: he saying? What was he doing? He said, from where

815
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: you were, the turkey was eight feet away. He could

816
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: he was down under the cover and could see his

817
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: spurs and see his feet, and he was right there,

818
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: and he was scared that you weren't gonna be ready.

819
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: When he stepped out, he'd been right the end of

820
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: your gun barrel. We didn't get him that day. We

821
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: came back the next morning and ambushed man that was

822
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: behind the memory. Yeah, you'll love it. That makes me

823
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: want to go real bad. When we were kids we

824
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: played World War two, I feel like we'd go like, right,

825
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: I can't invitate that. So one of the benefits that

826
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: haven't extremely um talented engineer named Phil is that Phil

827
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: will now insert the noise so you can't hear it

828
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: and you can't do it. And I don't know what

829
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 1: it is, but Phil is playing it right now. It's perfect.

830
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: Uh seduction, lodge sduction. Don't let it happen now. I think.

831
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: I think on that particular isolated turkey hunt, you really

832
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: want the tent camp experience and and and the guys

833
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: with the lodge is no offense. But they'll say, oh,

834
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: we're only ten miles from the jungle. That's a long wait.

835
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: And just because it's ten miles to the jungle, it

836
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's not another ten miles in the jungle.

837
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: Go into the jungle, stay in the tent and and

838
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: have the experience. It's it's just it's just to be

839
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: immersed in that culture and that that environment is just

840
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: monkey swinging through the trees in the afternoons and the

841
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 1: maybe the jaguars roaring and walking along, and you see

842
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: all kinds of Mayan antiquity everywhere. It's just it's just amazing.

843
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: And I am in uh Cren was saying, you had

844
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: a near death experience as a kid. We did. I would,

845
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 1: I was. I was involved in a home explosion, pretty

846
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: obvious when I was almost sixteen years old. Had a

847
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: bird dog that had torn up the back doors and

848
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: was painting it, cleaning the paint brush with some gasolane

849
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: back up. I understand what the bird dog do. Scratched

850
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: toring the doors up, scratched the pone and you you

851
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: gotta sign to you folks want you to repair. Yeah,

852
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: it was my dog and uh so so we went

853
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: and went and painted the painted the doors and uh,

854
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: gasoline with gasoline and the pilots as a thinner of course,

855
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: and and uh and and a pilot light ignited the

856
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: gas teams. And what's so crazy is I can remember

857
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: it well. I can remember the door opening the garage

858
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: and my neighbor coming in and my mom was shrieking,

859
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: and I remember pacing up and down around the driveway

860
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: waiting on the ambulance to get there. And I can

861
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: remember the ambulance ride to the hospital and telling my

862
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: mom to call my bust tables at showing these at

863
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: the time. I remember, hey, better call Andy and tell

864
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: him I'm not gonna make it today. And uh, but

865
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: you were a mess apparently, and uh, but you don't

866
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: see that. I just remember that. And and I can

867
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: remember going getting being rolled into the e r and uh,

868
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: can we go back to the explosion for a second. Sure,

869
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: it was like it was like it was like to

870
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: think of it, like, so the room is It's not

871
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: that it caught the canon fire. It diffumesnited everything around.

872
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: It was like like a combustion in a card writer phone.

873
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: That's what it was. My neighbor crossed street thought me

874
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: and my brother went to fight. He heard me holler

875
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: and thought we were in a fight. He couldn't hurt

876
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: my mother hollering, so he come over to break us up.

877
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't that, he well he we're brothers, of course

878
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: we did, you know, don't all brothers. Yeah, and uh,

879
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: but anyway, I can remember. I can remember roll into

880
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: the er, cutting the clothes. I can remember him cutting

881
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: my clothes off, and I remember his nurse putting a

882
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: piece of ice in my mouth and how good that tasted.

883
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: That's really the last coherent thought I had for six months.

884
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: Six months. Yeah, I was out of it. But you know, um,

885
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: it's not like uh some television show where they load

886
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: you up with painkillers and no day, you just tough

887
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: it out. Man, they date day. But those painkillers and

888
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: all that stuff slows down growth, and where you aren't burned,

889
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: they need the skin to cover up where you were. Uh.

890
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: They flew me down to Galveson, Texas, to a shriner's unit.

891
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: Um happened on May seventeenth, and I came home started

892
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: back to school right after Thanksgiving, complete nutter mess. You know,

893
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 1: I think, um, to cope with that, humanity has places

894
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: down beneath consciousness, and I really kind of crawled into

895
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:32,959
Speaker 1: a hole. I think. It's like I kind of sort

896
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: of knew what was going on, but I got into

897
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: a place to where I needed to be for a

898
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: long time. It's like, I know, I know from having

899
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: revisited that burn unit that the lights were always on.

900
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: It was twenty four hour surveillance and that little unit

901
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: with whatever it was, a dozen rooms, but I just

902
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: remember it being dark. You know. It's like I was

903
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: in a dark room the whole time, and um, maybe

904
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: a year after it happened. You know, you're sorting through

905
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: those memories of what was real or what was a dream?

906
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: What was going on? And I and I told my mother,

907
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: I said, I just remember I remember, like like this,

908
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: this hospital room and all the bright lights before it

909
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: got dark, and people buzzing in and lights going off,

910
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: and and and and I could and and I could

911
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: see my body bucking when they put them paddles on it. Oh,

912
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: you were that gone. And I looked up at her

913
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: and she was crying. She says, how do you remember that?

914
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: That's the night they brought you in? You died? Huh?

915
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,439
Speaker 1: And they they had told they had told my parents

916
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: I spent six weeks and I see you spent a

917
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: few weeks, and I see you in Jackson, Mississippi, while

918
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: they were looking for somewhere to send this guy. And

919
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: uh it was bad at seventy something percent, and UH

920
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 1: hadn't died the night I was brought in eight percent

921
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: chances revival. And they told my parents should lose his

922
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: right arm in both his legs if he makes it.

923
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: What was when that happens? Let's see you had died.

924
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: What was the what would the autopsy say that you like,

925
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: um taking a Uh? Was it just reaction to having

926
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: seen much burned? It was just burned trauma. So it

927
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: wasn't oregon damage it was it was just it was

928
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: just burned trauma. I mean, you've got your body, I

929
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: guess an open wound and it's just just trauma. It's

930
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 1: just shocked trauma. And I'm sure, I'm sure it affects

931
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: other other vital organs. I think if you have heart

932
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: as easy to affects others other organs. And uh, I'm

933
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: already still know medical expert. And all I tried to

934
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: do is get back on my life when it was over.

935
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: You know holder, you know fifty four your body? Yeah?

936
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: Have you had a lot of plastic surgery? No? No, no,

937
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: no reap. I don't know nothing. None of them make

938
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: it look better. I want a good looking guy to

939
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: start with. Just uh, I think she I think somewhere

940
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood of seventy some odd skin graphs then

941
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: and a few a few functional, few functional surgeries, uh afterwards,

942
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: just to get me back on my feet where I

943
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: could have some mobility. And how was it? And that is,

944
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: once I had the mobility, I was often going like

945
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: the intergash your bunny, mhmm, you're married, Oh I am.

946
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: I've been married for twenty six years dis August three

947
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: kids started day started dating or nineteen ninety the year

948
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: we had a little love letter contest going when I

949
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: would biking across the country. Not really, Yeah, did that

950
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: change your um career path? I'm guessing the girl of

951
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: the you know what that does? Um, you know, I

952
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: think I think it did. Like close to death, yes,

953
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: I think I don't. I've never had anything like that

954
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 1: happened to me. I've never even been like super sick.

955
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: But UM, I know that when I meet people that

956
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: had that, they have a better well. I guess I

957
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: can lead both ways. I have been fortunate to meet

958
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: a handful of individuals who have had very serious, like

959
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 1: near death experiences, and then they wind up living life

960
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: UM to the absolute fullest, very deliberately, exactly takes it

961
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: for granted. Very good, very good word choice. And you know,

962
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: I think it's like like a lot of fifteen and

963
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 1: sixteen your old kids, I had no purpose, no sense

964
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: of purpose in life. I mean, who fifteen year old kid?

965
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: You got one thing on your mind, and uh, but yeah,

966
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: you know it, it's after it happened. And that's what man.

967
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: You know, lots going on with a young man at

968
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: sixteen years old in terms of personal identity and where

969
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: you're going and what you're thinking. And uh, I think

970
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: it did change me. I know, I know having gone

971
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: through that and having come from that place that I wanted, Um,

972
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to really live. I wanted and that I

973
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: wanted to. I wanted to get the most of the

974
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: second chance. And I knew that at that tender age,

975
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: that that this is a second chance, this is barred time,

976
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: and there's a lot I wouldn't have done had I

977
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: died then that I'm announced it's done that, you know,

978
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: since you don't fought him saying and I killed around,

979
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: He say what he'd like to introduce stuff. I say,

980
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: I killed ducks, and I do like shoot ducks. But

981
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: but but what I think of is, you know, I

982
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: don't call I shot the species. I don't collect them.

983
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: I collect experiences. That's what I like. So I think

984
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: I think it really I think it's probably the most

985
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: life definding moment of my life. I think it's very

986
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: definitive and having gone through some trauma like it. Were

987
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: you already a duck hunter when that happened? Uh? No,

988
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: I grew I grew up with duck hunters. My grandfather

989
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: who was my mentor, who was a duck hunter, and

990
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: um that was at that age. That generation didn't take

991
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: children hunting. They didn't take five six years old all

992
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: maybe carried the duck blind on a warm day, and

993
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: but you weren't hunting, you know. It was his duck

994
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: camp was a man place. And when you get up

995
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: to be a thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years old, then you

996
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: started duck hunting. Gonna Right about the time I was

997
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: getting into that phase, he retired and his health felt it,

998
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, and uh so I missed that part. I

999
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: heard stories. I saw that it's cleaned, we ate duck,

1000
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: we did all that kind of stuff. But but I

1001
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: just missed it. And you know, uh getting through through

1002
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: Uh right after high school he died my senior year.

1003
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: Right after high school, I did duck hunt, but it

1004
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: was just jump shooting wood ducks or scouting for deer.

1005
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: And for you flush up some matters. You know they're

1006
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: gonna come back, so you run, gonna get your shot

1007
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: gun and wait on them. Went down to South Texas.

1008
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a dear biologist and I wanted

1009
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: to be you know, Jim Crall or Harry Jakes. And

1010
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: that's why I went to miss c eb State University.

1011
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: And we show up on his hunter seventh thousand acre ranch,

1012
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: free range, uh, growing trophy whitetail deer. And the funny

1013
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: thing happened, you know, that became a job descript from

1014
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: shooting antlers deer and all this kind of stuff. But

1015
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: every time the wind blew out of the north from

1016
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving on, the stock tank would fill up with ducks.

1017
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: And that began to that began to kind of reconnect

1018
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: me to my roots. And then when I was in

1019
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: college and got invited to go to Arkansas and duck

1020
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: hunt and flooded timber public, the limit was two mallards

1021
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: and that that was all she wrote. And there look

1022
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: back at it. Just something happened and I loved it.

1023
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: I remember those days and being very young when they

1024
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: had the point system mm hmm, and uh, you weren't

1025
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: allowed like five seven mallards? Like can you remember it

1026
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: well enough to explain the point system? Because it came

1027
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: down to them like game boardings, carrying thermometers around and

1028
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: putting through miters and ducks, anuses and whatnot. I don't know.

1029
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. They may have because because

1030
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: you could tell this, there was a problem you get

1031
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: into about the sequence and what you shot in which

1032
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: you shot your ducks. How is how you count you

1033
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: had you you got a hundred points. It's a value

1034
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: system based on the the value of those ducks to

1035
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: the federal government, whoever is keeping counting. You go shoot

1036
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: till for ten points, pintails for ten points, mallards for

1037
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: drake for twenty five points. A hand was a hundred.

1038
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: So you know, accidentally shot a hundred hundred off the bat,

1039
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: you were done. So maybe i'll maybe I'll chance that

1040
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: he didn't see me and I didn't do this, but

1041
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: I heard about it, and you know, may maybe I

1042
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: would shoot her first. That's my points because you couldn't

1043
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: go You could go over as long as you didn't

1044
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: start over. Couldn't Yeah, you couldn't shoot. I could shoot

1045
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: three twenty five point birds and then shoot a hunter

1046
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,479
Speaker 1: point bird and I was done. But if I started

1047
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: off with hunter point bird, I'm done. That's what it was,

1048
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: and so they would want to know, this is just

1049
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: the first couple of years I hunted ducks, right, they

1050
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: would want to know at least the pride. Pride wasn't

1051
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: I don't even know what year they did this. We

1052
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: could find out really easily when they switched to the

1053
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: point system. But it might have been that I was

1054
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: so little that I wasn't even hunting, just with my

1055
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: old man. Remember, there was always this fear of like,

1056
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: you couldn't don't risk if you got a hen mallard,

1057
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: don't risk because they'll put a thermometer in there and

1058
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: tell which those ducks have been dead longer? Right, And

1059
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: that's what kept everyone in check. And when I actually

1060
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: started duck hunting there in Arkansas, it was it was

1061
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: right after this adaptive harvest management had started, and it

1062
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: was restricted, restricted management regime, and the limit was two millards,

1063
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: the limit of two millards that year. And I couldn't

1064
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: I say, it's early nineties, didn't marry boy girl or

1065
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: what when you were doing the Texas work where that

1066
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: was so but you weren't for the Forest Service, but

1067
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: you also did Texas white tailway. Yeah, we got all

1068
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: our whack, no I was in college and I co

1069
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: opt down in South Texas, about sixty miles from the

1070
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: Mexican border. Fast ranch man, a couple of Texas old

1071
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: bearings on a hundred seven thousand acres. Is this like

1072
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: down in that? What's that famous county? Honey? Dim, South

1073
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: Webb County? No, we're thinking of, uh the one we know,

1074
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: the famous county we know about Maverick County that I

1075
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: don't know about. This was down around This was dem

1076
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: Webb County area, the brush country, and uh, just just

1077
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: a couple of old guys had had some land and

1078
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: they had hired a biologist who then turned around and

1079
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: hired some of us college kids to co op. Paid

1080
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: a whopping five hundred bucks a month. But it was paradise.

1081
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: It was great, best five hundred bucks a month every made. Man.

1082
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: Those oil guys own a lot of land, own a

1083
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: lot of land. Something about it do you blame? Are

1084
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,439
Speaker 1: they interested in it before they become a oil guys?

1085
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: Or something about being an oil guy makes you want

1086
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: to buy it? Right? I don't know that. I couldn't

1087
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: tell you. I think, do you become an oil guy

1088
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: because you want to buy a ranch? Or does does

1089
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: you get what I'm saying. Yeah, I get what you're saying.

1090
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,959
Speaker 1: I have no idea. If I could have every ranch

1091
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: every bought by oil guy, I'd have a hell of

1092
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: a property. Oh boy would yeah guy some land buying

1093
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: land buyers. Uh, you told me a little bit about this,

1094
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: but I'm still tracking how you got where you are today.

1095
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,959
Speaker 1: That you did some hunt with the outfitter. I hunted

1096
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: with an outfitter. I got out of grad school and

1097
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: made a career in the federal gument. That that was it.

1098
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: I was a forced you went to graduate school. I

1099
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: did forestry State University and uh got an undergraduate wildlife

1100
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: which at the time of forestry because why life management

1101
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: is a biproduct of force of civil culture. Then then

1102
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: got a graduate degree in bottom land hardwood civil culture.

1103
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: Missisippi State University. Landed the job doing a lot of

1104
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: restoration work in the Missisippi Delta with US Fish and

1105
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: Wildlife Service. Was there for a period of time, went

1106
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: to U s d A. It was in that period

1107
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: of time early on that hey, all of a sudden

1108
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: had a job. But when I broke college kid anymore,

1109
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: I could afford to go to Canada. So a couple

1110
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: of buddies and I did and we got just it

1111
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: was real bad. And I know I can tell you

1112
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: the year of nineteen I went up there to hunt

1113
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: the year of n and I know that because that

1114
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: was the first year the you shoot twenty snow geess

1115
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: houl of you fitch for okay, yeah, I'm an old

1116
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: way in I can't tell. But anyway that even though

1117
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: we had a right break, so we we go, we

1118
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: go to saskatchewhen we just a hunt. We booked a

1119
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: hunt because we wanted to go to Canada hunt, you know,

1120
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: myself and a major professor. Um. Then we went to

1121
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: Albert and started hunting with another outfitter and uh, just

1122
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: like paying clients, paying clients, man, yeah, just paying clients.

1123
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: We had jobs and uh and that turned into something's

1124
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: like it's like I came up there and a few

1125
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: more people came, and a few more people came, and

1126
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: I remember the third year I was up there, twenty

1127
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: five clients came to that outfitter out of your word

1128
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: of mouth, out of my word of mouth, and and

1129
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: and he realized you're like the pied paper at duck hunters.

1130
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: That's for what he said when he he he just said, hey,

1131
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: come out here and drink a beer with us. And

1132
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: he comes out and all the staff is sitting there.

1133
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: He says, no ramedy. All these guys come up there

1134
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: and hunt with us from Mississippi and whoever you talk to,

1135
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: and man, they know how to hunt and how to

1136
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: shoot and how to tip the guide. There there put

1137
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: pleasure to be around. My boys are always cutting cards

1138
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: or flipping coins to who could take these guys not

1139
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: The guys are not in their heads. And he says,

1140
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: we wann't you be my booking agent? And I'm like,

1141
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: what that what the Mississippians? I have no idea what

1142
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: that is, but yeah, it sounds good and uh and

1143
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: and so you know, so how do you so? You

1144
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: were you just you were just socializing the fact that

1145
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: you had a good h That's that's all it was,

1146
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: was just you know, showing pictures and having a good

1147
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: time and socializing that we were having a good time.

1148
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,919
Speaker 1: And people started going. We called an avid duck hunter

1149
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: by them back home. People knew, man, this guy likes

1150
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: to hunt a lot. And uh and I guess I

1151
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: guess they found some credibility and that and started going.

1152
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: And you were at that time, you weren't getting like

1153
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: a cut of the action. Now now, I just so

1154
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: when he when he first tells you, we'll go go

1155
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: round up some more guys and bring them up. At

1156
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: that point he's saying it, he said, yeah, let me

1157
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 1: gonna give you a kickback. Well, let me give you

1158
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: a commission. Let me give you a commission for doing this.

1159
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: And that inspired me, Well, how do I eat more

1160
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: people than I just personally know? Come up with a

1161
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: web page. And I was doing a little bit of

1162
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 1: waterfoul habitat consultation, little uh controvation easement work at the

1163
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: time of writing Baseline reports on as a side gig.

1164
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: I needed a good idea, needed some way to reach people.

1165
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: So I came up with this idea, get ducks dot com.

1166
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 1: And at the time it was there was two clicks.

1167
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,479
Speaker 1: There was two clicks click go tow burn to click

1168
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: Carle Ramdy about habitat work. And that was it. Oh,

1169
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: get ducks was like go get ducks or make ducks. Yeah,

1170
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: that was it. That that was it was just man,

1171
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: it was a long time ago, almost twenty years ago. Now, Steve,

1172
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: it's uh, we we've been incorporated and it's two thousand three,

1173
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: and that's a long time ago when uh, you know,

1174
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I'm not trying to ask that

1175
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: how much money made, but like in percentile points back,

1176
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: your first deal was the was the was the That's

1177
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: what they did. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And

1178
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: now I'll tell you. I tell you I think part

1179
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 1: of the reason if we if we go go there,

1180
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: uh where to what we're talking about. It it just

1181
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: I want to make his point because I really, for

1182
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: some reason, I've been a quote booking agent for nearly

1183
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 1: two decades, but I despise that term. And because there's

1184
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: so many uh, I've got so many clients right now

1185
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: that had gotten in a bad way with a quote

1186
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 1: booking Asian unque. But they heard enough about us. They

1187
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: called and they booked a trip up and we took

1188
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: care of and everything was good, and they said, holy cow, man,

1189
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: I torewn him off to him at y'all. You know,

1190
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: if I don't know what else to call it but

1191
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: a booking agent. But but that's what we are. But

1192
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: I hate a good booking agent. I hate the standard.

1193
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you a very like I don't even

1194
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: know enough to know this. I don't know that's a

1195
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:25,759
Speaker 1: shoddy industry. I think it is. I think all guiding,

1196
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: like fishing, hunting, big game is a shoddy because like

1197
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: waterfowler shoddy. I had a guy tell me recently, a

1198
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:37,799
Speaker 1: very big water fowler. He was, uh, that's his life's passion.

1199
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: He even studied ducks, big water fowler. He was saying

1200
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 1: that he feels that his segment of the hunting world

1201
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 1: is the most corrupt segment the hunting world when it

1202
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: comes to just killing and cheating and killing and cheating

1203
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: and wasting and not using your stuff. He's like, it's

1204
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: just he he has a very dim view as a

1205
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: water fowler, a career water fowler, has a very dim

1206
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: view of water fowlers, which I would sup was surprising

1207
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: to me. He's like, the things I see come out

1208
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: of my community are worse than things I see come

1209
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: out of any other community. I hope it's cleaning up.

1210
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: I like to think. I like to think it's cleaning

1211
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: up because I can remember, you know, Argentina is a

1212
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: very big destination for us, and I can remember fifteen

1213
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: years ago. Let's say one of the primary questions that

1214
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: somebody inquiring about Argentina would ask, and I mean one

1215
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: of the top questions, how many ducks do I kill?

1216
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 1: And all these years later it's one of they might ask,

1217
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: but it's not, it's not it's I think I have

1218
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: seen and perceived, uh, at least with a lot of

1219
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 1: people that I deal with a change in the hunter's heart.

1220
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: I think, I really think it's it's shifting more from

1221
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: a quantity to a quality. I believe that. I think

1222
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 1: I think there's um. I think there's probably a lot

1223
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 1: of issues any time any time. And I wouldn't say

1224
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: just duck hunting. I think that anytime you take up

1225
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: public resource, be at Elkord or waterfowl, and involve money,

1226
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: there there's room for corruptness. I wouldn't I wouldn't hang

1227
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: that on waterfowl though. I think one of the things

1228
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: that leads to is that it's hard. There's a lot

1229
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: of bad days, um and then now and then you

1230
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: get yourself into some situations that are just so good.

1231
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 1: I've heard it and saying it, it's so good, and

1232
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: you're like a mountain lion that gets into a pasture

1233
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,560
Speaker 1: full of al packas man like you just can't you know,

1234
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of kids turn it off. I understand,

1235
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: I understand it. But big game hunters, you know, a

1236
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 1: guy will dry from Mississippi or whatever out to Montana

1237
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: and camp and honey for ten days. If you don't

1238
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: get one, that's honey. But it seems like sometimes guys

1239
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: want to go duck hunting and they just expect and

1240
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 1: I ought to limit because they're not hunting in their

1241
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: backyard and that that's not reality. You know, ducks don't

1242
01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: just fly on command. There's weather in migration and skill

1243
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 1: set's involved. U did you have like any kind of

1244
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: moral crisis where you said, like this guy comes in

1245
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:11,560
Speaker 1: and you're young and you got a job, or you know,

1246
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: you're starting out in a as a federal employee. You

1247
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: know you're not making a presumable, you're not making like

1248
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: some obscene salary, and all of a sudden you can

1249
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 1: uh get a kickback, get a cut for bringing people in.

1250
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: Did you have to decide, like you know what I'm

1251
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,799
Speaker 1: gonna do, I'm only gonna book people for really good trips.

1252
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: Or did you make a mistake or did you just

1253
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 1: have a moral compass and net's always have served you well?

1254
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: You know, I think that Um, I think it's about

1255
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: I would almost I almost slay a moral compass. I

1256
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 1: had no compunction about selling hunts or selling consulting services

1257
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:52,759
Speaker 1: or doing something like that, and uh, none whatsoever. It's

1258
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: it's just it's just that, you know, even today, all

1259
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: these years later, my my first obligation is not to

1260
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,440
Speaker 1: the outfitter. I've got a very good, incredible working relationship

1261
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 1: with an outfit or anywhere in this world, but he's

1262
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: not my first obligation. The client is. Yeah, I can

1263
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: see that being that's a good way to view it. Man,

1264
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 1: And I think I work for the client and they

1265
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 1: they're buttering everybody's bread and you know, uh you like that.

1266
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: I understand that viewpoint. Thank you, and and and it's

1267
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 1: uh but at the end of the day, it's that's

1268
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: why we're willing to And it's very difficult. Back when

1269
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: it was early, but especially back when I was still

1270
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 1: working for the federal government and doing this thing part time,

1271
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 1: it was very difficult to spend money out of my

1272
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: pocket and go on these destinations. And not every destination,

1273
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 1: you see, it's every destination we've been on. We've been

1274
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 1: on ten to one ratio. That just didn't work out

1275
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: that just this isn't where, this is not what we're

1276
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 1: looking for, it's not what we want to be a

1277
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: part of. Uh it it. But it took that commitment

1278
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 1: because I feel like, I feel like, if you're gonna

1279
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: trust me to go on a duck huntan I recommend

1280
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: that I need a bet speak personally to it. And

1281
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like a retriever, just like a

1282
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 1: blue tick hound. Those relationships and that that working relationship

1283
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: builds over time. If you only get you know, I'm saying, okay,

1284
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 1: so I going home with your camp you Oh yeah, yeah,

1285
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: you're a goodhunting me sell at hunt. That's not near

1286
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 1: what it's like ten years, twelve years down the road

1287
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: working out outfitter. You know what this outfitter can do?

1288
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: And the good years and the bad years because because

1289
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 1: ducks don't there's weather, there's different conditions that ducks don't fly,

1290
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 1: you know. And I always say, man, uh, opening day,

1291
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: everybody's every guy in the world is as as a

1292
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 1: is a rock star on opening days. It's the tough days.

1293
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: It's those days that the ducks aren't doing what you

1294
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 1: wanted to do that climbs maybe a little disappointed that

1295
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: that the best of the outfitters dig hard. And what

1296
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: I say about the best waterfowl outfit and I think

1297
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,639
Speaker 1: the same might could be said anywhere in hunting industry.

1298
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 1: Is the good outfitters when when you're killing half as much,

1299
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: they're working two or three times as hard, not half

1300
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: as much, they're working harder, and that you can build

1301
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:56,679
Speaker 1: those relationships only over time. Tell me the story about

1302
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 1: the outfitter that you checked out and it didn't work out.

1303
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: Oh boy, Romania we went to that. That was that

1304
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 1: was That was just the first one. Yeah, give you

1305
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 1: an idea of what like the not custom what like

1306
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 1: what not? Cutting the mustard looks like, well, you know,

1307
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 1: we went two or three two or three months back

1308
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 1: and forth and email to Kepp want me to come

1309
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 1: over and hunt, and we finally got its sword and Steve,

1310
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 1: I've got up that expectation being clear the expectation. He's like,

1311
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: come check out my lives and and bring yes. But

1312
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: just getting to the initial visit point was, um, I

1313
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: don't know it awkward, tenuous, um, But we were going

1314
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: to Sweden that year. We would gonna swing through Amsterdam

1315
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 1: and check out Netherlands. Got Netherlands a great hunt. And

1316
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 1: I've got a group of clients that just have been

1317
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 1: on some of these regular hunts Argentina, Mexico, wherever, and

1318
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 1: now they want to go do real rampy ship wishes

1319
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 1: to say, I want to go somewhere you hadn't even been.

1320
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: Let's just figure it out together. And I like that

1321
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: because now it's not just what I see in this out,

1322
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,560
Speaker 1: there's what the clients these tow and they're you know,

1323
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 1: they're up for everything. So we made a client show up.

1324
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I'm serious saying they use

1325
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,600
Speaker 1: you so much. And they get to a point they're like,

1326
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 1: I want to go with you to check something out.

1327
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: Actually it okay, I want to be on the third,

1328
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 1: the first, And then you make clear with them that like,

1329
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: well you know what that means, right, Like I haven't

1330
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 1: checked it out. But they're real hunters, Yeah, I mean,

1331
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 1: they're the clients that all guys want to hunt with,

1332
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, because they're there for the advention, a good

1333
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 1: time and actually and that's that's that's that kind of client.

1334
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 1: So we we we were in We're in Sweden and

1335
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 1: the next morning we're gonna pick up fly to Romania

1336
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 1: and um, I get an email in Romanian that is

1337
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: not from my outfitter, and it's saying something I have

1338
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 1: to go Google translate, which is kind of imperfect, and

1339
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,480
Speaker 1: I gathered that he's not gonna be there, but everything's

1340
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 1: everything is in place. I don't like this idea. Scott

1341
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: and I talked, we have a drink, we talked more

1342
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: and say let's go check it out. And so we

1343
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: go back and forth and all I can understand in

1344
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: Google translated this is the guy's brother or brother in

1345
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 1: law or somebody. So we we show up and we

1346
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 1: decide we're gonna check this guy out. We want to

1347
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 1: see who are ride looks like we'll just make a

1348
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: good instinct calling like if you if I if I

1349
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 1: said the word Romanian hit man, what would you think?

1350
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 1: Because that's exactly who met us. Some guy looks like Yanni. Yeah.

1351
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: Guy meets us and uh, we get to talking and

1352
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 1: we start indicating him we're we're stopping right here, and

1353
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,679
Speaker 1: he hands us a phone. Now, now, this guy speaking

1354
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 1: a little broken English is the guy that wrote me

1355
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: the email. I'm the guy's brother in law, and I'm

1356
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: saying we'll wre the outfit I've been talking to for

1357
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 1: two months and he's like, well, he can't make it.

1358
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,600
Speaker 1: Something's up. I said, he's he in the hospital? No,

1359
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: is he in Is he in prison? No? No, no,

1360
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 1: he's just at the He's just at the police station.

1361
01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: So so long story short, we make way to the

1362
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 1: to the van and I realized the minute we get

1363
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 1: out to the van that this is like a legit

1364
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: rental transfer van. I said, okay, I still take a

1365
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 1: picture of the of the of the license plate to

1366
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 1: send him my wife and say, I'm getting in this

1367
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 1: truck right here. If you don't hear from me in

1368
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 1: twenty four hours, you know, called enter Paul whatever. But

1369
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 1: we found out he was just a real guy. He

1370
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: he drives us just down the road, introduced his brother,

1371
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: and it was just that was all an adventure. The

1372
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 1: reason it didn't work out. The food was great, the

1373
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 1: host was great, the guys were great. The duck hunting

1374
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 1: was just terrible. It was just terrible. I mean, we

1375
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 1: shot thirteen ducks in three days. There was no there's

1376
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,560
Speaker 1: just nothing to it. It's just it's just an overshot resource.

1377
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 1: And and we've been you know, we've looked around in

1378
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: different places like that, and sometimes you run into places

1379
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 1: that just there's just too much hunting pressure. And you know,

1380
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 1: in parts of the world like that, there's nobody they

1381
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 1: hunt ducks. Brown bears there still that I believe they do,

1382
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 1: but they but they hunt ducks. Their Italian clients hunt

1383
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 1: ducks hard. There's no bag limit, you know, and and

1384
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 1: so they just in places they shoot too many for

1385
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 1: it to sustain quality. What are the ducks they have there, mallards,

1386
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:17,640
Speaker 1: gad walls, shovelers, grant, Eurasian green wings, Urisian legions, you

1387
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: know a lot of the birds we hunt. One of

1388
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 1: my favorite places to go right now, it's a little

1389
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:25,600
Speaker 1: country called Aderbaijan when the Caspian Sea in Turkey and

1390
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 1: how we how we how we founded it is there

1391
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 1: were some species kind of in that Eurasian area over

1392
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 1: there I just wanted to encounter. I kept hearing about

1393
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 1: the Volga River coming through Delta, through the Vulgar River

1394
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 1: coming through Russia, and as I began to explore it

1395
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 1: and talk to some resources over there, it was it

1396
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 1: was it's a fall hunt October. So even if you

1397
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 1: go over there, even if you time the ducks coming

1398
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: through right and that part of Russia, just dealing with

1399
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 1: brown ducks. Go shoot a bird of a lifetime, a

1400
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,759
Speaker 1: red crested pochard. He's brown just because I mean because

1401
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:02,600
Speaker 1: they haven't gotten there. They have they haven't hit that

1402
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: plumage yet. And uh. And it took me a while

1403
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 1: for it to kind of go through my knife drord

1404
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 1: and figure this out. But I finally got the one

1405
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: on one day. Where does the Volga River go? It

1406
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 1: goes to the Campian Sea. And so we began we

1407
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:18,719
Speaker 1: began to research that area right there, and we found

1408
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 1: trying to cut the ducks. Later, where are they going

1409
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 1: to overwinter? Instead of going here, Let's catch them in

1410
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 1: the wintering grounds. And and about three or four years

1411
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 1: ago we began to put together a little tiny country

1412
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 1: called Azerbaijan, and it was a very amazing hunt. And

1413
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: I bring it up because to me, it's um. On

1414
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: the one hand, you think of, okay, I'm gonna fly

1415
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 1: from home. It's distance. But in some sometimes the thing

1416
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 1: I love about this job it's not just distance, it's time.

1417
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:48,560
Speaker 1: It's almost like I'm stepping into a time machine and

1418
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 1: going back. Because because these guys are so fundamental duck hunters,

1419
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 1: you need. They still market hunt over there. A lot

1420
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 1: of my guides are feeding their families or their they're

1421
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 1: they're they're communities with the ducks we kill, and they

1422
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 1: are game on absolute great a duck hunters, the good

1423
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 1: ones are and they're hunting the delta of the Vulgar River.

1424
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 1: Well that that would still be in Russia. We're way

1425
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 1: for the south down in Azerbaijan. In fact, I can

1426
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: put you on the map. We're eight we're the wetlands

1427
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 1: we've been hunting the past few years. Is eight miles

1428
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: from Iran, Okay, you know. And and one of the

1429
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: one of the wetlands we scattered this year. Standing on

1430
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:27,639
Speaker 1: this this lake Levy, I can look down and see,

1431
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 1: uh see the border crossing for I Ran and uh

1432
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 1: so it's just by coup if you look it up, beautiful.

1433
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 1: Uh we're hunting about we're hunting four or five hours

1434
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 1: from there. And what's it looks like where you're at.

1435
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 1: It looks like it looks strangely like the Mississippi Delta.

1436
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,480
Speaker 1: You know. Uh, my family, I've got family in Greenwood, Mississippi,

1437
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 1: which is the long staple cotton capital of the world,

1438
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 1: self proclaimed and pulling into that little village and I

1439
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 1: can't remember the name of it. But pulling into that

1440
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: little town for the first time, when you come into Greenwood,

1441
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: mississipp Be, every entrance, every little four two lane highway

1442
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 1: coming into the city, there's a big bulletin board with

1443
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 1: cotton bowls on it. And going into that little town

1444
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 1: we're hunting there, there's a big banner over the over

1445
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 1: the entrance with two cotton bowls. It's to be so

1446
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 1: far from home, from home, it feels so much like

1447
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 1: home and just termed of the habitat. Then everything gets different.

1448
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 1: Similar in latitude. Similar. I'm so close to pulling up

1449
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 1: me a map of the world and take a look

1450
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: at it, man, because it's it's a I think, I

1451
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's gonna be a little bit

1452
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 1: further north of our latitude. However, as are digging in here, man,

1453
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: digging in well. I had to look it up on

1454
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 1: the map the first time too. To help people out

1455
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 1: get more rat I'm trying to find that. I'm trying

1456
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 1: to steer people in from Lavia. So if you go

1457
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:08,679
Speaker 1: to Turkey, if you go up to the confluence of Turkey, Iraq,

1458
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 1: Syria and Iran, and then shoot a little off over

1459
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 1: towards the northeast. That's azure Baijan on the Caspian Sea,

1460
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 1: which is not a salt water body of water, believe not.

1461
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,640
Speaker 1: The Caspian, say, is the largest freshwater body. When you

1462
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 1: stand on the banks, it's like looking at the Gulf

1463
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: of Mexico. But it's the largest freshwater body on Earth.

1464
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: And that town by Coust is out on the little peninsula. Yeah,

1465
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,759
Speaker 1: and it it It is such a such an incredible cities.

1466
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: Like you walk around town and you walk by a

1467
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 1: Ferrari dealership in a Lamborghini dealership. We don't have those

1468
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:47,599
Speaker 1: in Mississippi, you know. Is it remote though, the parts

1469
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 1: where you hunt. Yeah, it's just a little little little

1470
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 1: farming communities. We hunt and there's it's like the basin

1471
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 1: we've been hunt in the past few years. Is I

1472
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: understand it and as I perceive it to be looking

1473
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: at it, it's like a hunter style nacred full capacity

1474
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:05,480
Speaker 1: agricultural storage redivorce water. It catches a lot of watershed

1475
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 1: uh seasonally and uh and then they used to irrigate

1476
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,600
Speaker 1: fields around and and you can just tell by the

1477
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: by the by the habitat you can tell by the

1478
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 1: cover type that it is. It's ephemeral at times, at

1479
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 1: least parts of it are. And uh, but it's just

1480
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 1: it's just amazing. And what made me think of talking

1481
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 1: about that when you start asking about species is you know,

1482
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 1: one of the most iconic waterfowl species in America the

1483
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:32,839
Speaker 1: matter duck. But that duck's found everywhere in the Northern Hemisphere.

1484
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 1: That there's ducks and and and every word is you

1485
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,719
Speaker 1: hunt the Pakistan at everybody's jon sweet, there a trophy.

1486
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 1: They're the price, just like they are here. They're the

1487
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 1: big duck. Big duck tastes good, lots of them they do.

1488
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 1: But what do you think, Steve, what do you think

1489
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 1: the number one favorite duck in the Northern Hemisphere of

1490
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 1: all the countries I've been to that have them, what

1491
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:53,560
Speaker 1: do you think that the favorite duck on table is

1492
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 1: green wing till? Every country I've ever been to that

1493
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 1: has green winged till, that's the one that's one you want,

1494
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 1: that's the one they want, And we weed a lot

1495
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 1: of them over there. But what I'm gonna say about

1496
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 1: Adabai John, I went there to find red crested pochards,

1497
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 1: tufted ducks, common shell ducks, uh, Friginus, poachards, things of

1498
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 1: that nature that you're just not gonna find anywhere else

1499
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 1: that that I found yet. And when you're saying poetrads,

1500
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 1: you mean like the family of h that's their common name, bluebills,

1501
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 1: canvas backs. Their genius would be a thea. But but

1502
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 1: their poetrage is what their name was. And they were

1503
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 1: just these really cool spacies. Don't ask me how it's

1504
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 1: not it's not okay because I know that word to

1505
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 1: be basically all your good tasting divers. Yeah, well, the

1506
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 1: diver duck, the poetard family, and uh, but we went

1507
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: over there looking for those specific species red crested potard

1508
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: with with just a real unicorn species for me, and

1509
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,600
Speaker 1: uh but what what what I loved about it was

1510
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 1: we shot a lot of Eurasian visions. We shot a

1511
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 1: lot of Eurasian green wing tail. We shot a lot

1512
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: of mallards, gadwalls, Shelterer's pintails, and those mallards just like

1513
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 1: our mallards, just like ours. Oh, just you call them

1514
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:02,719
Speaker 1: in I I don't leave home in the Northern Hemisphere

1515
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 1: or hardly anywhere without a matter call, matter calling, you know,

1516
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 1: I used it down in Argentina to call in Rosie

1517
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 1: Bill poetry, just by growling into it like a like

1518
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 1: a uh, just you growl into it like like it

1519
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 1: would call for scop or red heads or anything else.

1520
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 1: And it was so crazy because hunting the first time

1521
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 1: a hunter and at by John was just amazing. I

1522
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:23,679
Speaker 1: didn't know what to expect right here in this blind

1523
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 1: as well built. I'm by myself and my my my

1524
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 1: little del my bird boy and uh and he's he's

1525
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 1: good eyes. And uh. The first time I saw those

1526
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 1: red crested pochards, I didn't see the orange is head.

1527
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: I just I saw the blackbird with the white wing

1528
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 1: bard that instinctively reminded me of Rosie bill poachers down

1529
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 1: in Argentina, same genus. And I grab my call and

1530
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 1: growled into it, and they heard the call and they

1531
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 1: just right into the decoys. I don't know to this day,

1532
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what the adraba John word is for

1533
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 1: red crested postarge, because every time he sees one, he

1534
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 1: just he makes the sound a deal and grabbed, grabbing

1535
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 1: my call and call to him. We're in this tiny

1536
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 1: little p rod, looking you've got enough room to sit

1537
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,719
Speaker 1: your decoys, your blind bag, you shot gun. He's standing

1538
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 1: in the back, push poland through the march, through the march.

1539
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 1: Those boats they use, I think of it like a

1540
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 1: twelve fourteen foot sized p row blind bag because everything

1541
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 1: we need in that in that little boat and off

1542
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:24,600
Speaker 1: we go. And it's silent and it's stealthy, and you

1543
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:26,559
Speaker 1: hear the ducks and the bird life around you when

1544
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 1: you go in. And uh, if you push it far

1545
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 1: enough in the weeds and get it in that can's right.

1546
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 1: It makes a great shooting platform. But the guides don't

1547
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 1: speak any English. And I've learned that Google translate. It's

1548
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 1: good for yes, no hungry. It don't work translating for

1549
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 1: us having a conversation. And this year one of my

1550
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 1: one of my clients was saying, man, I've just really

1551
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 1: disappointed this guy to speak English. Blah blah blah blah

1552
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 1: blah blah. I go, you're a duck hunter and he's

1553
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 1: a duck hunter, and you don't need that. You don't.

1554
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:57,560
Speaker 1: We don't have a conversation like Steve. We just I

1555
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 1: mean you just you know what to do as a

1556
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 1: duck hunter. Man. You know, my life is a Crayola

1557
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 1: box of colors and cultures and creeds and races and religions.

1558
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 1: But the times I saw them, we're all just duck hunters.

1559
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 1: And that that's one of the most beautiful things about

1560
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 1: what we do to me, is just to meet a

1561
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 1: guy and and form A guy in Agriba John, a

1562
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 1: guy in Argentina and they're real hunters and this relationship

1563
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:26,639
Speaker 1: forms and it's but no no spoken word, no common words,

1564
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 1: just hand signs and sick. We know what to do.

1565
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 1: And that's just a very rewarding aspect of it all.

1566
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: When you when you're traveling like that, um, how like

1567
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:40,640
Speaker 1: when you're going into customs and stuff, Oh boy, and

1568
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: they're like, what are you doing? Like I'm here to

1569
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 1: hunt ducks? No, I mean, I mean no, heck, now

1570
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 1: what are you doing them? I'm a tourist. I'm a tourist.

1571
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 1: I mean do they do? They do? Have you done

1572
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 1: the ducks and countries that have no regulatory system, no

1573
01:27:55,360 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 1: hunting licenses? Uh? Not that I'm aware. Not, I'm aware

1574
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,599
Speaker 1: everyone has some form of regulatory but but now, yes,

1575
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: yes they do. But but I do I do say

1576
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 1: and um, and I've talked about this before, you know, America, Canada, well,

1577
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 1: the North American model, Australia, New Zealand. There's a lot

1578
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 1: of parts of the world that are black and white. Man,

1579
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 1: We in America are blessed with black and white the laws,

1580
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:23,560
Speaker 1: and they're they're sent out and they're published, and we

1581
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 1: all know. We all know, if we can read, we

1582
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 1: know what the laws are. But you get into other

1583
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 1: parts of the world, it can be gray. It can

1584
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,560
Speaker 1: be gray. You know some of these some of the

1585
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:36,560
Speaker 1: in fights I've been on. You know, I'm to a

1586
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: point right now. There's places in the world I'd like

1587
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 1: to go hunting down in Southeast Asia. I know, to

1588
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 1: go to North Korea, I'm probably gonna have to know

1589
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 1: somebody pretty high at the food chain to get into

1590
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 1: North Korea and feel comfortable about it. But I'd love

1591
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 1: to go. And now, then they got good duck hunt

1592
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 1: in North Korea. I bet they do. Yeah, I bet

1593
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:54,640
Speaker 1: I bet they're somewhere. They got some good ducks and

1594
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 1: got some species we're not gonna find anywhere else, you know.

1595
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: But but you know, it's gotten to the point is

1596
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 1: I get invice, I get contacted by people. You know,

1597
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 1: I've I've just got you know, two or three fingers worth.

1598
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 1: A question I've got to ask, is hunting legal? It's

1599
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:11,639
Speaker 1: the species's legal? Or is me holding a gun? Believes

1600
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 1: you can't hold a gun. You can't. You can't hold down.

1601
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 1: There's countries that that's a real big deal, you know.

1602
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 1: And and and so I started asking these questions. I've

1603
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: been invited, you know, come to Japan. I got invited

1604
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 1: to come to Japan. What is there's no legal hunting.

1605
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 1: I've been invited to go to Turkey. There there's big

1606
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 1: game hunting. There's not bird hunting. I've been invited to

1607
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:34,720
Speaker 1: go to the Bahamas. The Cuban whistlers and the white

1608
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 1: chin pentels are protected. You can't go there, you know,

1609
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 1: you're talking about the grayness of laws. We would go, uh,

1610
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 1: spearfish in the Bahamas. My brother goes there for quite

1611
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 1: a bit, and uh, you can just use a sling.

1612
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 1: You can't use like a gun. You know. But he

1613
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 1: did a lot of work because he never could get

1614
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,719
Speaker 1: the straight answer. So he works and works and works

1615
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 1: to get like the REGs right, Like what are the

1616
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 1: rules might not be any well, there are, but when

1617
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: you express them to the people down there, they're like

1618
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as that rule. Right. It's like, dude,

1619
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that, I'm looking at it right here,

1620
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 1: like here's the rule. Like, no, man, you fish where

1621
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 1: you want. Man, it's like it's your rule, dude, Like

1622
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 1: I'm tell you you cannot on these certain islands. You

1623
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 1: cannot spear fish within whatever two yards ashore or something

1624
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 1: like that. And they like almost act like hostile to

1625
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 1: the idea and like how big how big a spiny

1626
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 1: libs are supposed to be? Yeah, no, mine, you keep

1627
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 1: what you want. Nobody nobody's probably enforcing it down there. No,

1628
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 1: They're like, dude, don't even They're like they don't want

1629
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 1: to go down that path of talking about there being

1630
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: rules about this ship. You know, you guys gotta borrow

1631
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 1: a gun everywhere right now, I uh, someplace you have to.

1632
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 1: You know, Peru has some weird issues where you can't

1633
01:30:56,680 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 1: bring guns and we use their's. Uh but as you

1634
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 1: by John am I saying that right? Yeah, no, no,

1635
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:04,680
Speaker 1: it usual it's easy bringing a gun into a or

1636
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 1: by John as it is Canada. Yeah it was. It

1637
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 1: was just easy bringing firearms into Pakistan. It wasn't your

1638
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: own m or your own gun into Pakistan. I cannot remember.

1639
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 1: We got the permit for AMO. Where you run into

1640
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 1: a problem bringing your own AMMO is weight restrictings and

1641
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 1: airline rules. If you can get a permit for the firearm,

1642
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: you can get a permit for the gammo. But where

1643
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 1: you run into problems is airlines allow eleven pounds and

1644
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 1: then they've got restrictings on just how much you grow

1645
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 1: poundies can be bringing bringing bags anyway, So that that

1646
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 1: and that gets a little iffy. But bringing guns was

1647
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 1: that you know, the craziest thing about going part that's

1648
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 1: why clarify Like the part that I wonderbout with guns

1649
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 1: is like that some countries. I could just picture countries

1650
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 1: having not enough demand from international travelers trying to bring

1651
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 1: in firearms that they ever bothered to set up a

1652
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 1: system by which it's done, like doing in Mexico. We

1653
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 1: dude every year. But it's a nightmare. I mean, they

1654
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 1: put together a system, but it's a very very clumsy

1655
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 1: system that takes How long do you have to start

1656
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 1: ahead of time? Honey? Uh? Well yeah, we just turned

1657
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 1: in our information for next January's hunt and it's it's uh,

1658
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, and on a beercrat in June. Yeah, so

1659
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 1: in June, laying the groundwork to bring a gun into

1660
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 1: Mexico in January. I don't know how our client to

1661
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 1: do it in parts of Mexico where we're flying to

1662
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:33,800
Speaker 1: hermu Cleo, but if you can give me that information

1663
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 1: within two weeks, three weeks, our outfitter to get to

1664
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 1: permit for you. The guy we the guy we go

1665
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 1: with like, he runs an extremely tight ship. He's very organized.

1666
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 1: It doesn't like surprises. Nobody likes surprises. When you're traveling hunting,

1667
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 1: nobody likes surprises. Yeah, speaking of I had a client

1668
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 1: one time that was one of those clients I wanted

1669
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:00,040
Speaker 1: to go do real, real stuff. So we were on

1670
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 1: the Mongolia and uh, as I was talking to him,

1671
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 1: I said, well, you might just want to meet me

1672
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 1: over there. I think I'm gonna stop in China and

1673
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 1: they gotta send me to to our visa. I don't

1674
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:11,680
Speaker 1: need to get a visa permit through the consulate, and um,

1675
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop there and go see the Wall of China,

1676
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 1: which was abilt to keep the Mongols out of Hina. Hey,

1677
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 1: I want to go do that too, and we're both

1678
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 1: fine with farms, so we were talking to uh, the

1679
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,680
Speaker 1: gal over there to arrange this, and we've gone back

1680
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 1: and forth for months, like you said, to get this

1681
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 1: farm and all this kind of paperwork good, And um,

1682
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:32,640
Speaker 1: I call him as I'm going to the airport that

1683
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm fixing to leave to go to the airport, I

1684
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: don't have my farm permit for China. It's just it's

1685
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:40,439
Speaker 1: just a little temporary passed through permit. And I calm up,

1686
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,640
Speaker 1: say I need his per and this paperwork just to

1687
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 1: have it. Go. No, no, no, you don't need it.

1688
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:47,479
Speaker 1: Mary Wayne's gonna meet you with it. I said, yeah, yeah,

1689
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 1: I get I get that she's gonna be our tour

1690
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 1: guy and she's gonna have my paperwork. But I I've

1691
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 1: been I've been through this this show before. I feel

1692
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 1: comfortable just having it on my person. And we went

1693
01:33:57,560 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 1: back and forth, and finally I said, you know, I'm

1694
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:02,720
Speaker 1: not bored in the fly without my permit. Ding ding

1695
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 1: ding ding ding. It tumps over the factory seen and

1696
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 1: as we're coming in through if we were coming in

1697
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 1: through the temporary visa line. It took for ever three

1698
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 1: hours and the lady new to ask us do we

1699
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 1: have any paperwork? And I and I'm showing every piece

1700
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 1: of paperwork. I've got to include my farm permit, scoes.

1701
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:21,599
Speaker 1: You're bringing guns, yes, ma'am, that was it. Yououl sent

1702
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 1: us on through and we get and there's our guns,

1703
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 1: and there's our luggage, and there's everything else, and I

1704
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 1: read my tech instead you're supposed to meet Mary Wang

1705
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:31,799
Speaker 1: and baggage. So we just started proceeding towards the exit,

1706
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 1: and we've got all our luggage and I'm sitting there

1707
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 1: just looking at the the guard to whoever he is.

1708
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 1: The guy at customs looking at the computer monitor of

1709
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:43,840
Speaker 1: everything coming through X ray. He may have been slump

1710
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 1: in his chair a little bit. In a minute he

1711
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 1: saw guns. Boy did he get straight. And he started

1712
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 1: talking loud, and everybody started talking loud, and I just

1713
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 1: got off. You know, we've been traveling for thirty hours,

1714
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:55,560
Speaker 1: and I'm just kind of washing the situation unfold. And

1715
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 1: somebody comes out of the back, followed by a crowd

1716
01:34:57,600 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 1: of people coming out of back, all talking a lout

1717
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 1: of the nuts coming my way and looking at the

1718
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 1: picture on the screen, and I tell the guy, women said,

1719
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how this is gonna go. So they

1720
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 1: very politely hurt us up and they're all talking, man,

1721
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:11,760
Speaker 1: and they carries back this little tiny room's modeling this

1722
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:14,599
Speaker 1: studio from modeling this little room here, and it's got

1723
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:16,920
Speaker 1: to like school desk with a steal ball where they

1724
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:18,639
Speaker 1: could put a still bar across your lap and lock

1725
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:20,680
Speaker 1: you in. And I'm like, boy, don't sit down, you

1726
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 1: know what. Every and in the room they've got this

1727
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,439
Speaker 1: little chair like a little jail chair, like a little

1728
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:28,600
Speaker 1: jail chair. But they didn't ask us to sit it.

1729
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 1: But the room is getting more and more and more

1730
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:33,839
Speaker 1: and more people and they're all trying to tapen their shouting.

1731
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 1: And he's sitting the chair. I'm not saying what I'm saying,

1732
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to understand that you're doing anything but

1733
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 1: sitting in the sitting the chair if one were to

1734
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 1: and they swing a bar over and lock it and

1735
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 1: you're stuck in your chair they lock it and getting

1736
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:50,160
Speaker 1: insane and I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm kind

1737
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 1: of I'm on the verge of cracking a sweat like this.

1738
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 1: This this ship is going down heal quick because these

1739
01:35:57,040 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 1: people are i mean, going at it and I'm I'm trying,

1740
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 1: but Nelly got my shotgun. We've got a rifle, uh,

1741
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 1: just a little rim fire rifle. And I'm trying to

1742
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 1: get over here to get my hands on my permit.

1743
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 1: It's like, see they got the gun case opening. Boy,

1744
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 1: they're getting agitated and I'm trying to get my permit.

1745
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:19,760
Speaker 1: And I mean it's like they're breaking into kung fu

1746
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 1: dances and everything. You know, here's a guy with here's

1747
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:24,479
Speaker 1: goying their country with a firearm, trying to get out

1748
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 1: of stuff. And finally I just make a dash. I

1749
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 1: grabbed my paperwork. I fairly open. I have it to

1750
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:30,680
Speaker 1: the guy to yelling the loudest and and and he

1751
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 1: says something loud and it's just hush falls over the

1752
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 1: room and somebody comes up and what do you know?

1753
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 1: They speaking minutes ago? Do you have a translator? I go,

1754
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:40,600
Speaker 1: yess or he said, call her on the phone. So

1755
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:42,560
Speaker 1: I called Mary Waane and she comes back there. In

1756
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:45,560
Speaker 1: the minute she walks in. It all starts again, and

1757
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 1: then everything gets calm, and she says, everything's fine. The

1758
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:52,439
Speaker 1: lady that lets you in through the send me two hours.

1759
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:54,880
Speaker 1: She was supposed to notify the police and notify t

1760
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 1: s A and she did not have said so what now,

1761
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:00,759
Speaker 1: I said. He said, oh, she's going to elder she's fired.

1762
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 1: I said, no, I mean what about us? And he said, oh,

1763
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna be here. We're gonna be here a while,

1764
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 1: so settling. You know, when we're there for four hours,

1765
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:09,800
Speaker 1: we went up one of the time we landed in

1766
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:13,760
Speaker 1: Beijing with those firearms. Over that, over that one misunderstanding

1767
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:16,600
Speaker 1: until the time we exited to go to go to

1768
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:19,559
Speaker 1: the hotel with nine or ten hours, and I asked

1769
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 1: the client, how you like this? Like this part of

1770
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:26,479
Speaker 1: the job. So then you roll out into the streets

1771
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:29,680
Speaker 1: of Beijing and you got a semi auto shotgun. Oh

1772
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,040
Speaker 1: heck no, you leave them at the airport, and we

1773
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 1: we gave them. We put those in police custody. They

1774
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:36,720
Speaker 1: locked them up under lock and came we signed for him.

1775
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 1: Now we're in the streets of Beijing. And you know,

1776
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 1: I was told you before going to China that I

1777
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 1: love Chinese food. I would have said, they know it,

1778
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:48,599
Speaker 1: eg food, young and spring rolls. Night. I've been to China.

1779
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:50,400
Speaker 1: I don't like. I like, I like Pee King Duck,

1780
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:53,760
Speaker 1: like American Chinese. I must I do not like the

1781
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 1: real thing. I found out because of what. I don't know.

1782
01:37:57,240 --> 01:38:00,120
Speaker 1: I know, if we go to some restaurant and are

1783
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 1: he just clambers on and on and on and on

1784
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 1: about the about the pork something at this particular restaurant.

1785
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:06,600
Speaker 1: So we all open it would say, both of us

1786
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:08,880
Speaker 1: and her ordered this this dish, and I take a bite,

1787
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:11,760
Speaker 1: taste it kind of like taste it kind of like

1788
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:16,719
Speaker 1: the little brown stink bait smelled all fermented stuff something,

1789
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 1: and I drink a little cocolda and try it again.

1790
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, boy, I don't like this. I found that

1791
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:24,800
Speaker 1: and everything I tried over there was just but the

1792
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,679
Speaker 1: pee king duck. I lived on peeking duck. We found

1793
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 1: a restaurant with peeking duck and we had it duck

1794
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 1: every night. Because you like ducks. I do like duck.

1795
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:35,640
Speaker 1: And if wild duck tasted as good probably or had

1796
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:38,640
Speaker 1: as much fat content as peeking duck, they like to

1797
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:51,560
Speaker 1: be extinct. You know what you're saying that everybody go,

1798
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 1: you got like some of the same ducks keep popping up,

1799
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:56,840
Speaker 1: like different versions of the same ducks. Do you ducks

1800
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 1: act like ducks? I mean it's like, yeah, people, the

1801
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:05,240
Speaker 1: hunt ducks over the world over. The decoy spread deco,

1802
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:08,559
Speaker 1: spread blind calls jeck old somewhere, and they don't hunt

1803
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 1: ducks where they have no that. They have a completely

1804
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:14,720
Speaker 1: different way they hunt ducks. And you have to be like,

1805
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:16,639
Speaker 1: you know what works good, you know, is to put

1806
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:19,800
Speaker 1: out decoys and build a blind. Now it it's kind

1807
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 1: of the way the games played is with decoys. So

1808
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:24,200
Speaker 1: people figure that out the world over. That's that's the

1809
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 1: way they figure out the world over. But I'm gonna

1810
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you as somebody that's traveled the sane

1811
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 1: and hunted around the world. On the one hand, I

1812
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:36,000
Speaker 1: believe that American hunters are the most passionate, the most dedicated.

1813
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 1: We have elevated every aspect of duck hunting. The art form,

1814
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 1: the camo, the guns, the m everything, everything is state

1815
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:47,720
Speaker 1: of the line, technological art. And you really don't need

1816
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:50,560
Speaker 1: that shoot a duck. You really don't need some of

1817
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 1: that shoot a duck. And I go back to at

1818
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 1: everybody on the fundamentals where they're hunting not with us,

1819
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:59,679
Speaker 1: but for themselves to feed their family. They're literally hunting

1820
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:05,679
Speaker 1: pop bottles over soda bottles, putting painted up black paint

1821
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 1: or I found I found the spread, this year, there

1822
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 1: was nothing but old rocks. Bought a different bottle with

1823
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:13,360
Speaker 1: wool socks over them and just put out and they

1824
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 1: put them out in the right place and the right

1825
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 1: formation and hunt them at the right times, and they

1826
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:21,080
Speaker 1: killed ducks and feed their families and they're they're, they're

1827
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 1: they're just very very traditional hunters. It's like honey, way

1828
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:28,800
Speaker 1: back in time, and and that I really uh and

1829
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:33,320
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, oh is you know, I've got a

1830
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,160
Speaker 1: two year old son, my oldest, twenty year old son,

1831
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 1: my youngest. But they they're at a totally different stage

1832
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 1: of the game and I can remember, you know, they're

1833
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 1: they're really really at a different a different motivation at

1834
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,559
Speaker 1: that age than I am at an older age now.

1835
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:55,320
Speaker 1: And uh, to me, a lot of clients or a

1836
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 1: lot of duck hunters, the merit or the breakover point

1837
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:01,720
Speaker 1: of whatever, the the metric of a good hunt and

1838
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:04,640
Speaker 1: a lot of trigger pools. And to me, the more

1839
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:07,439
Speaker 1: I get into it's like, the fewer trigger pools, if

1840
01:41:07,479 --> 01:41:11,719
Speaker 1: the limit is seven ducks out here in Montana, closer

1841
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:14,679
Speaker 1: and get shooting seven times and killing no seven green heads,

1842
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:17,160
Speaker 1: the better. That's how it did to make you know,

1843
01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:19,120
Speaker 1: so I'm slaying it and which which brings up a

1844
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:23,600
Speaker 1: good point that duck hunting is so subjective. It's a

1845
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:25,800
Speaker 1: very subjective expirit The four of us go jump in

1846
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:27,640
Speaker 1: a duck line and we all want maybe something a

1847
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:31,760
Speaker 1: little bit different out of it. Do you uh do

1848
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:34,719
Speaker 1: you find that, like motivations the hunt are similar everywhere

1849
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 1: you go, Like meaning, I was struck at the cold

1850
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,559
Speaker 1: times that I've been around, you know, you know, hunting

1851
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:47,160
Speaker 1: with people from very different cultures and far away places

1852
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 1: where there's there's a palpable excitement, yeah, fishing whatever, like

1853
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:57,960
Speaker 1: people get excited. Yeah, you know when it's good, it's

1854
01:41:57,960 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 1: good and people like it and there's like an enthusiast

1855
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:02,639
Speaker 1: and someone catches a big one. That's as like you know, yeah,

1856
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 1: oh yeah, do you see that all? You always see that,

1857
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:06,680
Speaker 1: like here comes a flight of ducks and people are

1858
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:11,559
Speaker 1: like because an electric feeling yeah yeah, yeah, Especially when

1859
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:13,360
Speaker 1: you're hunting with a crowd of folks, it's just you

1860
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, how everybody's sitting there, were all

1861
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 1: talking and socializing. At the one time you really need

1862
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:19,639
Speaker 1: to be still in a duck blind is when there's

1863
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:22,439
Speaker 1: ducks flying and we're sitting here talking having this conversation

1864
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:24,600
Speaker 1: that sure's ducks, and everybody starts breakdance and looking for

1865
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:27,560
Speaker 1: the gun to getting ready. Yeah, this is excitement and

1866
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 1: that it's just it's an energy and I love it.

1867
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:32,479
Speaker 1: It's it's just there's an energy that right there. Everybody's proud.

1868
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 1: I seem my think with older duck hunters, more way

1869
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:37,879
Speaker 1: more experienced duck hunters and stuff like that, it settles

1870
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:43,120
Speaker 1: into I'm quiet proud act say that you know, uh

1871
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:46,760
Speaker 1: over and adverybody jo on this year and this this

1872
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:49,439
Speaker 1: is this is the kind of hunt I like, just

1873
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:53,200
Speaker 1: personally speaking, is when when the ducks are difficult, there

1874
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 1: aren't aren't the gang Busters full of ducks that you're expecting,

1875
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 1: and you're in a blind by yourself and this year

1876
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 1: an aderbay joan and um, maybe we're shooting a dozen

1877
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:07,360
Speaker 1: fifteen birds apiece. But it took utter focus. It took

1878
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:10,519
Speaker 1: absolutely keeping your head in the game the entire time,

1879
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:14,000
Speaker 1: an ideal. He went back fifth or sixty yards from

1880
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:15,839
Speaker 1: where I was hitting in this little blind by myself,

1881
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:18,800
Speaker 1: and he would just he would whistle loud, I'm looking

1882
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 1: I'm looking down when and I'm as focused as I

1883
01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:24,840
Speaker 1: can humanly be. And when three ducks come in, it's

1884
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:27,000
Speaker 1: not just okay's three ducks, let me shoot wanted how

1885
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:28,599
Speaker 1: do you? How do you make the play to kill them? All?

1886
01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:31,680
Speaker 1: You're focusing you. I mean, the numbers are tunnling the

1887
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:33,720
Speaker 1: whole time. These telling the first pass, not on a

1888
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 1: second pass. Now they're coming in. Now I'm gonna run

1889
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:40,240
Speaker 1: the table on them. And that it's just that that focus.

1890
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm slaying. He's playing a real what I call a

1891
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 1: real clean game. Call the ducks, get him in close,

1892
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:49,240
Speaker 1: make ethical shots, knock them down, and and just really

1893
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 1: go all in. It's like Steve back when I was

1894
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:55,439
Speaker 1: an archer. Let's say fly fish, because watching some guys

1895
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:57,120
Speaker 1: on the river fly fish the other day, you know,

1896
01:43:57,320 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 1: and what I think about it is how fly feel.

1897
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:04,360
Speaker 1: And it's really not about getting grease hot and eating.

1898
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:06,880
Speaker 1: It's it's an art. It's a it's a ritual, it's

1899
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:09,080
Speaker 1: a it's a process. And my right, I mean, those

1900
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 1: guys are really getting into it. Why else what you

1901
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:12,360
Speaker 1: got here and whipped the water forever, You're not gonna

1902
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 1: eat a big dinner. But but seriously, it's it's it's

1903
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:18,439
Speaker 1: something about that that hypnotic thing and that that art

1904
01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:21,080
Speaker 1: form and getting better and laying that, laying that fly better.

1905
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:24,040
Speaker 1: And when when I did bow hunt way back in

1906
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 1: college in the days, but well, no compound bow it

1907
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:31,439
Speaker 1: was it was never about uh whacking and stack as

1908
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:32,920
Speaker 1: me and I could. I mean, it's like every time

1909
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:35,960
Speaker 1: I drew back the dozen deer I shot in my life,

1910
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:39,519
Speaker 1: every time I drew back that string increased a smile

1911
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 1: because I owned that deer. I played that game. He

1912
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:44,320
Speaker 1: was right here, And it's just a matter of letting

1913
01:44:44,360 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 1: the air going white. And duck comes like that too,

1914
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:49,360
Speaker 1: you know, And I know it to a lot of people,

1915
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:50,960
Speaker 1: duck comes just a bunch of buddies out there just

1916
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:53,680
Speaker 1: letting loose as much Amma as possible. But I think

1917
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:55,720
Speaker 1: there's a ritual to it, you know, from from the

1918
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:58,320
Speaker 1: decoys and the placement and getting the birds in and

1919
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:00,400
Speaker 1: calling to him and speaking their language and having that

1920
01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:04,160
Speaker 1: negotiation to coax them into that range that you own them,

1921
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:08,080
Speaker 1: and that there's something pure about that. To me, there's

1922
01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:12,439
Speaker 1: a big, big portion of my enjoyment from duck hunting

1923
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:14,360
Speaker 1: that comes from and I'm not gonna put some arbitrary

1924
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 1: percentage on it but um anticipation, because it is just

1925
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:22,880
Speaker 1: I mean everything from come June, like washing off my

1926
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 1: decoys from last year and like scrubbing them down and

1927
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 1: making them look nice, whether you know, not shiny, but nice,

1928
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:31,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Two being in that holding

1929
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:34,560
Speaker 1: pattern and waiting is it the second past or the

1930
01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:36,320
Speaker 1: third pass? Is it the first? Am I am I

1931
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 1: screwing up by not going on the first? You know?

1932
01:45:38,479 --> 01:45:42,400
Speaker 1: That's the that's that those those split second moments of

1933
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 1: joy are instrumental in my satisfaction with the sport. That's

1934
01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 1: that's what keep That's what keep that energy and that

1935
01:45:50,360 --> 01:45:52,920
Speaker 1: enthusiasm and that vibration coming on. You're watching that burden.

1936
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean, like down the deep South where we hunt

1937
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 1: a lot of gad walls. Gad walls kind of work

1938
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:01,360
Speaker 1: in in reverse order. Their core screw is getting further away.

1939
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 1: You better get him on the first path you be

1940
01:46:03,320 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 1: can because the second, third, and fourth path you're gonna

1941
01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:07,920
Speaker 1: be further away. They've talked theirselves, they've thought themselves out

1942
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:11,800
Speaker 1: of coming in, you know, but sometimes they do and

1943
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:14,200
Speaker 1: you and you're you're you're trying to find which duck

1944
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 1: do I watch? Which duck is bringing the flock in

1945
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:19,840
Speaker 1: and focused on them and just but that's what keeps

1946
01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:22,240
Speaker 1: you great. So what if you don't killed every duck,

1947
01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:27,360
Speaker 1: that's okay? Do you ever uh, presumably you get a

1948
01:46:27,400 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 1: lot of clients you were wanting to take off lists. Yeah,

1949
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:33,640
Speaker 1: what's your what's your relationship to that motivation? I mean,

1950
01:46:33,680 --> 01:46:35,640
Speaker 1: you gotta you know, you're in business. You gotta take

1951
01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 1: the money. But do you ever feel like it's a

1952
01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:41,360
Speaker 1: like the motivations aren't quite quite what you wish they were.

1953
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:45,240
Speaker 1: Someone just ticking off numbers now, you know, in this

1954
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:46,920
Speaker 1: day and age and honey, because this is coming from

1955
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:49,160
Speaker 1: a guy who just saying, I want to get a oscillated,

1956
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:52,639
Speaker 1: oscillateated so I can become a you know the world?

1957
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:56,719
Speaker 1: Why why somebody hunt? And for that matter, how somebody hunts?

1958
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:59,679
Speaker 1: You know? The uh kicked off the episode talking about

1959
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 1: honey with hounds. There's people that are posed to it.

1960
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 1: There are peers that don't think we should hunt with hounds.

1961
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:07,559
Speaker 1: I disagree. I think we should hunt. And so why

1962
01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:10,960
Speaker 1: why somebody hunter? How somebody hunts, or what motivates somebody

1963
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 1: into different parts of the world is really kind of

1964
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:15,400
Speaker 1: thera bit as long as it's legal and ethical, let's

1965
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:18,519
Speaker 1: go for it. But you know that that whole species things.

1966
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:20,760
Speaker 1: Just like on the one hand, I did kind of

1967
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:22,800
Speaker 1: I did kind of find myself wanting to shoot a

1968
01:47:22,920 --> 01:47:25,080
Speaker 1: different duck than I shot hunt a different bird. Because

1969
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:27,720
Speaker 1: you're asking about duck hunting and duck hunting styles. You know,

1970
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:30,840
Speaker 1: all of hunting, all the fundamentals of duck hunting is

1971
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,840
Speaker 1: predicated kind of on hunting mallards, but not all ducks

1972
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 1: from hollards. Something they don't play by the matter of

1973
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:37,960
Speaker 1: rule book. And then you have to figure it out.

1974
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:39,639
Speaker 1: You have to adapt from your rule and figure out

1975
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:41,640
Speaker 1: something a little bit different. Hunting divers is different than

1976
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:44,280
Speaker 1: hunting birds that coming high, which is different than hunting geese,

1977
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:47,800
Speaker 1: which is different than hunting some other species. Okay, and

1978
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:50,280
Speaker 1: and so you but it's still still the fundamental game.

1979
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:53,040
Speaker 1: But every species you start start having their they're different

1980
01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:55,320
Speaker 1: little rules. There's a lot of guys that want to

1981
01:47:55,360 --> 01:48:00,640
Speaker 1: collect as many duck species as they can. And uh,

1982
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:02,320
Speaker 1: I see a lot of young guys now, you know,

1983
01:48:02,439 --> 01:48:04,760
Speaker 1: because there there's people out there that's they're chasing the

1984
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:07,960
Speaker 1: North American slam. I don't believe it's forty one. I

1985
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:11,439
Speaker 1: believe it's closer to sixty, probably around mid fifties, high

1986
01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:13,880
Speaker 1: fifties and forty one. But whatever you're chasing, chase it.

1987
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:16,240
Speaker 1: Go I need to add up where I'm at now, Yeah,

1988
01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 1: go for it. The chase never ends. But but seriously, uh,

1989
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 1: what we found out is is really and truly as

1990
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:28,920
Speaker 1: we began to meet that kind of hunter that wanted

1991
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:32,360
Speaker 1: to chase off the beaten path into different spaces, that

1992
01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:35,439
Speaker 1: that really kind of drove us. It wasn't that kind

1993
01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:37,519
Speaker 1: of the car before the horse, who's driving? Who here

1994
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:40,280
Speaker 1: the clients coming in and having those conversations, what do

1995
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:43,240
Speaker 1: you know about shooting bar headed geese? Well, I need

1996
01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:45,400
Speaker 1: to find a bar headed goose. You know what's led

1997
01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:48,760
Speaker 1: us to Mongolia? Now, I'll tell you I think that. Um,

1998
01:48:50,280 --> 01:48:56,160
Speaker 1: I think most collectors that I know, I think at

1999
01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:58,599
Speaker 1: some point in the line they're they're gonna they're gonna

2000
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:01,400
Speaker 1: realize they're really not collecting a bird or a trophy

2001
01:49:01,479 --> 01:49:04,360
Speaker 1: or an animal. They're collecting the experiences. And no, no,

2002
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:07,559
Speaker 1: that's just placeholders for that experience. I agree with that definitely.

2003
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:11,679
Speaker 1: What uh so, I can't remember it was a hundred

2004
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:13,720
Speaker 1: and eighty eight countries or something on the planet. I

2005
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:17,120
Speaker 1: don't know, sub two hundred countries. How many countries have

2006
01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:20,760
Speaker 1: you hunting ducks in Morena dozen? Oh morna does not

2007
01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:26,840
Speaker 1: say twenty five or thirty thirty maybe more maybe thirty five? What? Uh?

2008
01:49:27,439 --> 01:49:29,920
Speaker 1: Who's got it right and wrong? Like like who's paying

2009
01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:31,960
Speaker 1: attention to ducks in a way that they're playing the

2010
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:34,040
Speaker 1: long game? So they got ducks in a hundred years?

2011
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:37,559
Speaker 1: A really? I think? I think so, you know, because

2012
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:41,360
Speaker 1: because nowhere else on Earth that I'm aware, Uh, Australia

2013
01:49:41,439 --> 01:49:45,240
Speaker 1: is trying, and Australian doing a great job. But but

2014
01:49:45,439 --> 01:49:47,960
Speaker 1: nowhere else on the world in the world do we

2015
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:52,560
Speaker 1: have um crunch the numbers like they do here. Do

2016
01:49:52,680 --> 01:49:55,080
Speaker 1: the surveys, do the breeding count through the pine counts?

2017
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:58,040
Speaker 1: I mean America trying and maybe maybe it could be

2018
01:49:58,120 --> 01:49:59,960
Speaker 1: said that hardly anywhere else in the world do we

2019
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:05,040
Speaker 1: have the pressure, the hunting pressure for ducks. And it's

2020
01:50:05,080 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 1: not just not maybe just the total number of people hunting.

2021
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:09,639
Speaker 1: But you know, I think of my granddad who got

2022
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:12,280
Speaker 1: me into this thing. Maybe a hundred a dozen days

2023
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:15,840
Speaker 1: a year maybe, man, how many people as hunting twelve

2024
01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:17,519
Speaker 1: days a year? And now a lot of guys are

2025
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:21,240
Speaker 1: hunting way more than that hunting going to Canada. Going

2026
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 1: to Kanada's going to miss going out about going where

2027
01:50:23,320 --> 01:50:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, chasing these duck think there's just passionates this

2028
01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:28,639
Speaker 1: obsession and when we're not only we're not only hunting

2029
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 1: them harder, but we're doing it with that that elevated

2030
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:34,599
Speaker 1: art form worth of equipment that makes us more efficient hunters.

2031
01:50:35,200 --> 01:50:37,360
Speaker 1: So I would like to see, uh, i'd like I

2032
01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:39,599
Speaker 1: really do believe that here in the US we're playing

2033
01:50:39,640 --> 01:50:41,519
Speaker 1: the long game as best we can. We've got a

2034
01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:44,000
Speaker 1: lot of science and a lot of money behind the

2035
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:48,639
Speaker 1: research and genetics and management and harvest. I don't see

2036
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:50,840
Speaker 1: anybody else really doing it the advantage they have in

2037
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:56,000
Speaker 1: places like Argentina, they've got just a miniscule demand for

2038
01:50:56,160 --> 01:51:00,080
Speaker 1: for hunting, the miniscule hunting pressure. I should say, you

2039
01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:02,759
Speaker 1: feel that we're making any big mistakes as a country

2040
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:11,400
Speaker 1: round duck management. No, I don't. I would, I would

2041
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:16,080
Speaker 1: um I believe the numbers i'd I'd like to see. No,

2042
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:19,200
Speaker 1: I don't believe we're making any mistakes. How many clients

2043
01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:21,719
Speaker 1: do you have that run around tony? Ducks don't taste

2044
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:25,200
Speaker 1: good a lot? How how many times do you hear that?

2045
01:51:26,040 --> 01:51:29,040
Speaker 1: It's just's such a widely held you know, and I

2046
01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:31,960
Speaker 1: hate that. I know, Steve, I saw you ever watch

2047
01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:35,040
Speaker 1: Andy Griffith, I do what you're talking about. There was

2048
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:38,880
Speaker 1: an episode watch you know Don knights Man. Oh yeah,

2049
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:41,400
Speaker 1: well I love him only getting out go out with

2050
01:51:41,479 --> 01:51:46,800
Speaker 1: one bullet. There was an episode, uh Opie with friends

2051
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:50,679
Speaker 1: with somebody that was apparently wealthy and um he came

2052
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:53,759
Speaker 1: over to play with Opie and Aunt b was putting

2053
01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:57,080
Speaker 1: on airs and Andy come in and goes, is that

2054
01:51:57,240 --> 01:52:00,800
Speaker 1: goose and to put on airs? Into impressed this this

2055
01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:04,559
Speaker 1: young rich kids she had cooked at Christmas goose. I'm thinking, man,

2056
01:52:04,640 --> 01:52:07,160
Speaker 1: that one. But back in the sixties and that was

2057
01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:09,679
Speaker 1: a big and that was regarded as like an opulent

2058
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:15,280
Speaker 1: Well it's in in Christmas Carol and Christmas Carol exact

2059
01:52:15,320 --> 01:52:19,760
Speaker 1: Dickens like like when he wakes up and he's like

2060
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:23,799
Speaker 1: in a better mood after the goals of past present

2061
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:26,559
Speaker 1: future comes and sees him. He wakes up and sends

2062
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:29,400
Speaker 1: the kid down to go get the goose. Now you'd

2063
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:31,120
Speaker 1: be like, I don't know, tell you'd send him to

2064
01:52:31,120 --> 01:52:34,800
Speaker 1: get now? And yeah, well that's what we do. But

2065
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:37,600
Speaker 1: I really do. I like, I like duck, and I

2066
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:41,479
Speaker 1: wish That's one thing that excites me about y'all's program

2067
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:45,320
Speaker 1: is y'all get people excited about eating and how to

2068
01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:47,479
Speaker 1: cook and how to prepare and how to do all

2069
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:49,400
Speaker 1: this stuff with these birds. And you know, I think

2070
01:52:49,479 --> 01:52:51,559
Speaker 1: it's become a lost ark. That's that's really truely why

2071
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:54,840
Speaker 1: I think more waterfowl aren't eating it. It's just a

2072
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:56,560
Speaker 1: lost ark. People don't know what to do with it.

2073
01:52:56,640 --> 01:52:59,800
Speaker 1: If you ever had bad duck one time, that's gonna

2074
01:52:59,880 --> 01:53:03,920
Speaker 1: laugh after while I think that. I mean, I've had

2075
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:08,800
Speaker 1: a lot of bad duck. But then it's not that hard.

2076
01:53:09,080 --> 01:53:12,120
Speaker 1: It's like pretty easy. Well, no, it took a long time,

2077
01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:14,040
Speaker 1: but once you just once you learn how to cook

2078
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:16,679
Speaker 1: and you cook it really well for a decade or whatever,

2079
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:20,479
Speaker 1: it just seems simple because you learned like a couple

2080
01:53:20,520 --> 01:53:23,519
Speaker 1: of basic rules, and then it's really good. And then

2081
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:26,160
Speaker 1: you get annoyed with people who don't see that it's good,

2082
01:53:26,280 --> 01:53:27,680
Speaker 1: and you kind of forget the fact that you ate

2083
01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:31,160
Speaker 1: a lot of shitty duck over the years. Now, I

2084
01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:33,080
Speaker 1: just know, I like know what to do. I like,

2085
01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:35,000
Speaker 1: I know I can look at it. I know what

2086
01:53:35,160 --> 01:53:36,680
Speaker 1: kind of duck it is. I know what you can

2087
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:38,800
Speaker 1: get away with that duck. I cooked that duck. It's

2088
01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:41,519
Speaker 1: always good. And now I'm like, people are so stupid.

2089
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:44,200
Speaker 1: But I'm like, well wait a minute, because I've cooked

2090
01:53:44,280 --> 01:53:50,360
Speaker 1: some bad meaning typically like grossly overcooked. Yeah, that's the

2091
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:54,800
Speaker 1: biggest stake is overcooking and unless you're over cooking it

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01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:57,240
Speaker 1: in the right way when it becomes okay, but not

2093
01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:00,240
Speaker 1: overcooking the wrong way. And you know, one of my

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01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:02,800
Speaker 1: favorite recipes, and I would tell everybody how many times

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01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:06,880
Speaker 1: you've heard, uh, cream cheese, halapeno wrapper, bacon, you probably

2096
01:54:06,920 --> 01:54:08,880
Speaker 1: put a dog turd. Like any tastes all right, you know,

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01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:11,880
Speaker 1: but but it gets old. And it's like, I'll tell

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01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:13,840
Speaker 1: you a simple recipe for cooking duck, and I think

2099
01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:16,880
Speaker 1: any would go over big time is uh duck bread.

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01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:18,519
Speaker 1: If you're gonna breast the duck, go ahead and breast

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01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:21,679
Speaker 1: the duck. Uh soaking an olive oil with copious amounts

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01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:25,800
Speaker 1: of cavender seasoning and seared on cavendars, just like a

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01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:29,320
Speaker 1: Greek seasoning that and just just hit it hit a

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01:54:29,360 --> 01:54:31,559
Speaker 1: couple of minutes when he has like some green lettering

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01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:34,840
Speaker 1: green and red letter on a white yeah. Yeah, and

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01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:38,200
Speaker 1: it's just Cavender's Greek seasoning and it's just it's but

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01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:40,880
Speaker 1: it's rare, you know. One of my favorite ways to

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01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:44,160
Speaker 1: really get silvel. Yeah. I just put it on the

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01:54:44,200 --> 01:54:46,680
Speaker 1: table and the ziplock bag with olive oil and and that, uh,

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01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:48,680
Speaker 1: that seasoning in there. And I think that I think

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01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:52,000
Speaker 1: something about the oil helps it penetrate that meat, you know.

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01:54:52,160 --> 01:54:54,760
Speaker 1: And um, but it's just great. It's just it's good

2113
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:57,080
Speaker 1: and it's simple and it's easy. Just don't overcook it.

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01:54:57,240 --> 01:54:59,720
Speaker 1: Cook it rare. And I was telling somebody one of

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01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:02,480
Speaker 1: my favorite, uh, one of my favorite ways cook duck

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01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:04,640
Speaker 1: is chicken fried. I mean that if you want to

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01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:06,480
Speaker 1: get rid of a bunch of duck quick chicken fried,

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01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:10,560
Speaker 1: simple walk me through that breast. Take take your breast portions.

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01:55:10,640 --> 01:55:13,360
Speaker 1: Tend to rise it, beat it with a hammer. I

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01:55:13,480 --> 01:55:14,760
Speaker 1: used the back of yeah, or the back of a

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01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:17,720
Speaker 1: knife boom. Tend to ride it. Soak it in milk, uh,

2122
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:21,640
Speaker 1: season at dredging and flour hot oil and uh. And

2123
01:55:21,720 --> 01:55:24,640
Speaker 1: I like to make a couple of dipping sauces. My

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01:55:24,680 --> 01:55:26,680
Speaker 1: favorite of what we call Jezebel sauce. I got it

2125
01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 1: from somebody over in Arkansas, but it's vaguely Remember that

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01:55:30,120 --> 01:55:33,720
Speaker 1: band Jean Loves Jezebel. No, they had a song Jellrah,

2127
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:38,760
Speaker 1: but no just could anyway, Jezebel sauce of dipping sauce

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01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:43,200
Speaker 1: had uh equal parts of orange marmalade, apple jelly and

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01:55:43,640 --> 01:55:48,480
Speaker 1: really good course ground horse radish. And say that against

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01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:50,360
Speaker 1: I got a brand new horse radish patch that is

2131
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:55,839
Speaker 1: going insane. Equal parts equal parts of horse radish, orange marmalad,

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01:55:56,600 --> 01:55:59,680
Speaker 1: horse radish. I bite out of a job prepared horse

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01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:04,080
Speaker 1: radder prepared, but it's gotta be the good. Someone one

2134
01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 1: of our guys that works with us buyer and he

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01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:07,960
Speaker 1: made me some prepared horse radish, and he gave me

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01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:09,920
Speaker 1: the roots and I planted them. And man, that stuff

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01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:13,200
Speaker 1: is like a jungle already. That's pretty cold, but but

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01:56:13,480 --> 01:56:16,920
Speaker 1: it's a very prolific plant. I'd like to have something

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01:56:16,920 --> 01:56:18,360
Speaker 1: that's just the way to get rid of a lot

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01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:20,160
Speaker 1: of duck quick. I think we owe it to the

2141
01:56:20,240 --> 01:56:23,120
Speaker 1: racehorse to learn how to cook one good dish anyway,

2142
01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:26,000
Speaker 1: don't you? Yeah, But tell me one more time, Mancuse

2143
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:28,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hung up on the horse radish. So prepared

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01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:32,960
Speaker 1: horse radish, marmalade, orange marmalade, apple jelly. And so'll take

2145
01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:35,600
Speaker 1: take the jar to take the jellies and put them

2146
01:56:35,600 --> 01:56:37,240
Speaker 1: in your microwave, just to get them the word. They're

2147
01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:39,960
Speaker 1: liquefied enough if you can mix them. Yeah, put in

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01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:42,120
Speaker 1: your horse rad and shake it up. Maybe put in

2149
01:56:42,200 --> 01:56:46,640
Speaker 1: a big, big dollop of yellow mustard. Is this apple

2150
01:56:46,760 --> 01:56:49,960
Speaker 1: jelly or apple butter apple jelly? Not apple, but the

2151
01:56:50,240 --> 01:56:55,320
Speaker 1: yellow stuff apple jelly? And then do what with that again? Liquefied?

2152
01:56:55,480 --> 01:56:56,960
Speaker 1: Get it in the microwave. Get it one where you

2153
01:56:57,080 --> 01:57:00,640
Speaker 1: mix it, orange marmalade, same things you make him. Put

2154
01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:03,360
Speaker 1: him in a jar, put your horse radish and shake

2155
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:07,360
Speaker 1: it up, and the next day's gonna be even better.

2156
01:57:07,400 --> 01:57:10,760
Speaker 1: That's when you're dipping sauce. You're not soaking the duck

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01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:12,680
Speaker 1: in there. Oh, no way soaked du So if you're

2158
01:57:12,720 --> 01:57:14,560
Speaker 1: gonna chicken fried ducks, soak them in meal. Oh that's

2159
01:57:14,600 --> 01:57:16,360
Speaker 1: your dipper sauce for chicken. Okay, I thought I thought

2160
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:20,600
Speaker 1: that you were laying out a home that's good on anything,

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01:57:20,680 --> 01:57:24,440
Speaker 1: that dipping sauce would be good on anything. Yeah, ye

2162
01:57:25,160 --> 01:57:27,360
Speaker 1: should give you some of my roots. Man, sounds good,

2163
01:57:28,240 --> 01:57:30,880
Speaker 1: not quite yet. We're our garden is not ready for

2164
01:57:31,480 --> 01:57:36,440
Speaker 1: to accept plants right now. But we'll just why. I

2165
01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:39,680
Speaker 1: just don't have a garden ready to plan it. You've

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01:57:39,720 --> 01:57:42,560
Speaker 1: had a garden for years, Yeah, but it's every year

2167
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:46,680
Speaker 1: he keeps moving and it's just not right. So this

2168
01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:49,960
Speaker 1: year we actually your garden got up moved. We don't

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01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:53,040
Speaker 1: have you're trying to find. Yeah, and so this year

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01:57:53,080 --> 01:57:55,120
Speaker 1: we're actually we're back in there with the miniacs and

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01:57:56,360 --> 01:57:58,760
Speaker 1: you're going it'll be ready, You're going next level. Yeah.

2172
01:57:59,240 --> 01:58:02,600
Speaker 1: But I brined and smoked a bunch of ducks the

2173
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:06,280
Speaker 1: other day, and man, did those come out good? I had.

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01:58:06,320 --> 01:58:08,680
Speaker 1: At first, I did one hole next to a pheasant,

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01:58:08,760 --> 01:58:10,720
Speaker 1: and that was so good I decided to do more.

2176
01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:12,960
Speaker 1: So I pulled out. I had some what do they

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01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:14,360
Speaker 1: call it when we do it with the breasts and

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01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:17,520
Speaker 1: the thigh and the laid together airplane or something like that.

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01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:22,280
Speaker 1: Oh boy, I called the thing I stole from the

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01:58:22,360 --> 01:58:25,040
Speaker 1: University of Montana Wild Game. There's a name. If you

2181
01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:31,560
Speaker 1: get a chicken that way. No, okay, anyways, it doesn't matter. Um.

2182
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:39,360
Speaker 1: And I had some mallard breasts um. And then there

2183
01:58:39,480 --> 01:58:44,400
Speaker 1: was two who's I don't know, god wall or something

2184
01:58:44,440 --> 01:58:47,280
Speaker 1: other ringnecks, maybe something random that had just you know

2185
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:50,440
Speaker 1: come into the you know, spread that I ended up

2186
01:58:50,480 --> 01:58:54,240
Speaker 1: with at home. And there was two scolar breasts with

2187
01:58:54,440 --> 01:58:57,600
Speaker 1: the skin on. Where'd you get scolds North Carolina a

2188
01:58:57,680 --> 01:58:59,520
Speaker 1: couple of years ago? So they've been in my freezer

2189
01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:01,920
Speaker 1: for a while and they all got the same treatment.

2190
01:59:02,160 --> 01:59:06,520
Speaker 1: Brind throw on the smoker and the mallards are just

2191
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:10,640
Speaker 1: eating just so good, just fantastic, you know. I gave

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01:59:10,720 --> 01:59:14,840
Speaker 1: him a little uh macedon like dust and masodon seasoning

2193
01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:18,320
Speaker 1: on there, and I get to the scolder and man,

2194
01:59:18,360 --> 01:59:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm feeling it and I'm like, man, it's just like

2195
01:59:21,120 --> 01:59:24,400
Speaker 1: it's like squishy or like softer, even though I cooked

2196
01:59:24,440 --> 01:59:26,760
Speaker 1: in the same amount of time. I cut it open

2197
01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:29,920
Speaker 1: and it's just beautiful like mid rare inside, but just

2198
01:59:30,280 --> 01:59:33,520
Speaker 1: tender and that nice that like there's like a nice

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01:59:33,600 --> 01:59:35,960
Speaker 1: fat cap and then the skins all crispy from the

2200
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:39,240
Speaker 1: because I did a really hot scot fat scot fat,

2201
01:59:39,640 --> 01:59:42,680
Speaker 1: and I mean just touching the two, you'd be like, man,

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01:59:42,720 --> 01:59:45,280
Speaker 1: I'd rather eat that scolder because you can just tell

2203
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:51,040
Speaker 1: you how you can touch me there? Man, Well, yeah,

2204
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:53,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it wasn't just the skin. It was

2205
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:55,720
Speaker 1: kind of like that bear that you had that one

2206
01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:58,080
Speaker 1: time that when you brian and smoked and it tasted

2207
01:59:58,160 --> 02:00:01,640
Speaker 1: like you're eating smoked fish. Same thing with that scolder.

2208
02:00:01,960 --> 02:00:06,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it just tasted like a fish. Um. I

2209
02:00:06,520 --> 02:00:09,720
Speaker 1: wasn't there, that's all. And I'm know Dr Duck, but

2210
02:00:09,800 --> 02:00:11,240
Speaker 1: I can tell you that a lot of that fish

2211
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:15,600
Speaker 1: was laid up in that skin. And if you'd have

2212
02:00:15,640 --> 02:00:18,240
Speaker 1: been here, if you hadn't been playing hookie, you'd heard

2213
02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:22,960
Speaker 1: from the meat scientist about why that is, why that

2214
02:00:23,600 --> 02:00:27,040
Speaker 1: fishiness is in that fat, and what fat does and

2215
02:00:27,160 --> 02:00:29,240
Speaker 1: how it functions. But you don't know. I don't know.

2216
02:00:29,320 --> 02:00:34,040
Speaker 1: I haven't listened to that podcast, so cook, but yeah,

2217
02:00:34,120 --> 02:00:41,080
Speaker 1: tell me tell me. I'm asking. I'm asking. I'm not

2218
02:00:41,160 --> 02:00:43,720
Speaker 1: a scord expert, but if I had to like come

2219
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:47,400
Speaker 1: and cook a scorterer, um, get the fan out. Oh,

2220
02:00:47,400 --> 02:00:49,280
Speaker 1: I would get the skin off there, any of those

2221
02:00:49,280 --> 02:00:53,120
Speaker 1: fish eating ducks, I'll get the skin off. Hansi says he. Uh,

2222
02:00:53,360 --> 02:00:56,160
Speaker 1: grant because I ran this by Hansi earlier two and uh,

2223
02:00:56,480 --> 02:00:58,480
Speaker 1: HANSI want you tell them what you told me. Oh,

2224
02:00:58,520 --> 02:01:01,080
Speaker 1: I tried to avoid smoking diving ducks. I feel like

2225
02:01:01,120 --> 02:01:04,000
Speaker 1: it just it makes it if it's already fishy to

2226
02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:07,640
Speaker 1: begin with, it's just gonna like enhance that. I feel

2227
02:01:07,680 --> 02:01:10,720
Speaker 1: like it just makes the smoke fishiness. Yeah, it just

2228
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:15,960
Speaker 1: makes it like that much more nasty bad. I don't know.

2229
02:01:17,160 --> 02:01:19,280
Speaker 1: I like to skin. I like my diver ducks, like

2230
02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:22,680
Speaker 1: skin them, you know, putting into I love making meatballs

2231
02:01:22,680 --> 02:01:24,560
Speaker 1: out of diver ducks. I mean it's like, you know,

2232
02:01:25,040 --> 02:01:27,200
Speaker 1: mixed with some pork fat. You know, it's like a

2233
02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:29,560
Speaker 1: little guilty, but I think it goes great. We used

2234
02:01:29,560 --> 02:01:33,160
Speaker 1: to take some divers, the divers aren't that great and

2235
02:01:34,760 --> 02:01:36,680
Speaker 1: skin you know, pull the skin off them, cut them

2236
02:01:36,680 --> 02:01:39,720
Speaker 1: into very sit thin strips and put like for heat

2237
02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:44,200
Speaker 1: of seasoning on them. Yeah, do it likely like serum

2238
02:01:44,280 --> 02:01:46,879
Speaker 1: like that, and then you got your peppers and onions,

2239
02:01:47,040 --> 02:01:50,360
Speaker 1: sal su. It's just it's just it's just at that point,

2240
02:01:50,360 --> 02:01:53,680
Speaker 1: it's just stuff to eat. Yeah, it's just like it stuff.

2241
02:01:54,680 --> 02:01:57,120
Speaker 1: It's good, and you're like glad you got them. It's

2242
02:01:57,160 --> 02:02:00,280
Speaker 1: better buying some stupid junk from a grocery store. Yeah. Yeah,

2243
02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:02,680
Speaker 1: I just never look down at him. I'm not cheating

2244
02:02:02,720 --> 02:02:07,160
Speaker 1: scutters anymore. What about have you ever had you ever

2245
02:02:07,280 --> 02:02:11,560
Speaker 1: used waterfowl for hamburger? But making a burger you've had

2246
02:02:11,680 --> 02:02:14,040
Speaker 1: venison and baking burger. No, man, I've never made a

2247
02:02:14,160 --> 02:02:16,840
Speaker 1: duck burger. That's a good idea, is great? I was great, yeah,

2248
02:02:16,920 --> 02:02:19,120
Speaker 1: and and and get the bacon ends. So you're making

2249
02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:21,480
Speaker 1: like a baking burger. Put some cheese in there. Really

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02:02:21,800 --> 02:02:25,800
Speaker 1: always good. Absolutely, I'll do that absolutely any duck was

2251
02:02:26,200 --> 02:02:28,600
Speaker 1: not say ducks maybe, but but the other ducks. Yeah,

2252
02:02:29,120 --> 02:02:32,160
Speaker 1: uh you can. So you work all over the world.

2253
02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:33,960
Speaker 1: We've been talking about that, but I want to uh

2254
02:02:34,240 --> 02:02:36,400
Speaker 1: hit on something real quickness for people who might become

2255
02:02:36,440 --> 02:02:38,440
Speaker 1: interesting wanting to deal with you a little bit and

2256
02:02:38,440 --> 02:02:43,000
Speaker 1: associate with you. Is uh, you do you book? You

2257
02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:45,560
Speaker 1: you help people book trips here here in the US.

2258
02:02:45,800 --> 02:02:47,360
Speaker 1: You know, in the United States here what we do,

2259
02:02:47,520 --> 02:02:50,680
Speaker 1: Steve is uh. The short answers yes and no, because

2260
02:02:50,720 --> 02:02:53,160
Speaker 1: because what we do is with long term relationships, we

2261
02:02:53,280 --> 02:02:58,040
Speaker 1: just don't have the the time to book your hunt

2262
02:02:58,120 --> 02:03:01,280
Speaker 1: to say, Oklahoma, you know what I'm playing. And and really,

2263
02:03:01,360 --> 02:03:05,240
Speaker 1: truly that really does crowd me as a middleman. That

2264
02:03:05,360 --> 02:03:07,800
Speaker 1: really makes me kind of pushes my middleman boundaries. If

2265
02:03:07,840 --> 02:03:10,480
Speaker 1: you're calling me a book a trip to Oklahoma. But

2266
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:12,280
Speaker 1: I've been to Oklahoma and some of these states on

2267
02:03:12,360 --> 02:03:14,880
Speaker 1: our US hunt List we call it Canada and the

2268
02:03:14,960 --> 02:03:16,720
Speaker 1: United States, and I've been to these guys just like

2269
02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:18,920
Speaker 1: I've been elsewhere, and I know they're gonna do what

2270
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:21,640
Speaker 1: they say they're gonna do. No guarantee of duck limits

2271
02:03:21,680 --> 02:03:23,080
Speaker 1: every day, but they're gonna do what they say they're

2272
02:03:23,080 --> 02:03:25,040
Speaker 1: gonna do. And we put you in touch with them

2273
02:03:25,120 --> 02:03:27,760
Speaker 1: on our website, their name, their contact information. I really

2274
02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:29,560
Speaker 1: feel like you don't play anything out of that now.

2275
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:32,040
Speaker 1: We just we we we some people can vet. Like

2276
02:03:32,120 --> 02:03:35,040
Speaker 1: if people hear you and they're like, oh, you know,

2277
02:03:35,080 --> 02:03:37,880
Speaker 1: I got a good thing about that guy. They and

2278
02:03:37,960 --> 02:03:40,600
Speaker 1: they want to vet a duck trip, they can call

2279
02:03:40,720 --> 02:03:44,080
Speaker 1: you and you'll give your two cents on what your

2280
02:03:44,120 --> 02:03:47,040
Speaker 1: experience or what the rumor is. That's right. We've got

2281
02:03:47,120 --> 02:03:49,760
Speaker 1: We've got the descriptions written up at us hunt List,

2282
02:03:49,880 --> 02:03:51,600
Speaker 1: just like we do it get ducks dot com. But

2283
02:03:51,720 --> 02:03:54,680
Speaker 1: still it's a website, US hunt less US hunt List,

2284
02:03:54,800 --> 02:03:56,280
Speaker 1: it's just a part of get ducks dot com. So

2285
02:03:56,320 --> 02:03:57,960
Speaker 1: people can get there by going to get ducks dot

2286
02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:00,160
Speaker 1: com right click on US hunt list and them and

2287
02:04:00,200 --> 02:04:01,560
Speaker 1: go take a look at it and see a huntry

2288
02:04:01,600 --> 02:04:03,640
Speaker 1: light and do that question about call me in bock

2289
02:04:03,720 --> 02:04:06,240
Speaker 1: me whatever like that. You know, we just look at

2290
02:04:06,240 --> 02:04:08,240
Speaker 1: it like a value added service and in a way

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Speaker 1: of working too, I kind of look at like a

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Speaker 1: gateway drugs. You know. You think the kids sitting out

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Speaker 1: here in um middle of nowhere. Uh he shot his

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02:04:17,600 --> 02:04:19,480
Speaker 1: mallards and his pin tels and his gad walls or

2295
02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:21,880
Speaker 1: his wood ducks or whatever, and they come to us.

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02:04:21,920 --> 02:04:24,160
Speaker 1: It's like I want to I want to collect. I

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02:04:24,200 --> 02:04:26,440
Speaker 1: want to go do some stuff. Go to New England

2298
02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:29,760
Speaker 1: and you can get the scolders, the iters, the long tails,

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02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:33,720
Speaker 1: go knock some real exotic stuff off. And now they're

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02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:36,040
Speaker 1: heading down that slippery path. And uh, I want to

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02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:39,360
Speaker 1: collect and and and they should be collecting no different

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Speaker 1: experiences and um. But yeah, so we we work with

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02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:48,320
Speaker 1: US hunters and Canadian US outfitters and Canadian outfitters just

2304
02:04:48,440 --> 02:04:50,080
Speaker 1: to put you together. What I want to see is

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02:04:50,120 --> 02:04:52,520
Speaker 1: if you want to go to a different place in

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Speaker 1: the US or Canada, I want to put you in

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Speaker 1: touch with them. Get in touch with them quickly, because

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02:04:57,400 --> 02:04:59,480
Speaker 1: it is a very subjection. Why are you going to Canada.

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Speaker 1: What do you want to shoot in Oklahoma? Why are

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02:05:01,640 --> 02:05:03,320
Speaker 1: you going to New England? Do you want to shoot ee?

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02:05:03,320 --> 02:05:05,520
Speaker 1: If you want to shoot Scots, start working with that

2312
02:05:05,600 --> 02:05:08,000
Speaker 1: outfit or to get that get that thing right. You know,

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02:05:08,040 --> 02:05:11,919
Speaker 1: we start talking about foreign countries firearms and hunting, ligages

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02:05:11,960 --> 02:05:14,640
Speaker 1: and permits and language barriers and money wires and stuff

2315
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Speaker 1: like that. Now I'm coming in and bringing a whole

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Speaker 1: whole different ball game to that that equation, then I

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Speaker 1: would be just standing yet Oklahoma. Yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I got one follow up question. Have you have you

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Speaker 1: hunted a duck in Latvia or any of the ball

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Speaker 1: Baltic states? I have not yet. You haven't hounded Lavia

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Speaker 1: and have not? I have not yet? Neither is your honest?

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Speaker 1: Have not me? And you don't want to go there

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02:05:39,720 --> 02:05:43,640
Speaker 1: and hunt so bad? I'll put something together. Let's go,

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02:05:44,440 --> 02:05:46,600
Speaker 1: Oh can you can you work whatever magic you work

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Speaker 1: around the world, but working Lavia for us? Well, here's deals.

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Speaker 1: Yn't has been kicking it around for quite some time.

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02:05:53,480 --> 02:05:55,440
Speaker 1: But you know he he can't make it like a

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Speaker 1: full time job is East East scouting Lavia? I feel

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02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:03,360
Speaker 1: like I just can't get a real solid commitment out

2330
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Speaker 1: of you as the host of the show that we're like,

2331
02:06:05,640 --> 02:06:07,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it because I need to have it

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02:06:07,600 --> 02:06:12,440
Speaker 1: laid out like you have it laid out. All right,

2333
02:06:13,160 --> 02:06:15,360
Speaker 1: We'll keep working at Yeah, do in just in a

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02:06:15,440 --> 02:06:18,760
Speaker 1: spare moment, run the get ducks dot Com process on

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Speaker 1: lava will. I need to get over that part of

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02:06:21,920 --> 02:06:24,360
Speaker 1: the world anyway. It's bigger than just roam money that

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02:06:24,440 --> 02:06:25,520
Speaker 1: part of the world. I need to get over that

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Speaker 1: part of the world. Take a little show me your ring, yehnie,

2339
02:06:29,600 --> 02:06:34,840
Speaker 1: it's Lavian power ring. It's called ance. Very good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got another question. Actually, all that's cool. I'm just

2341
02:06:39,200 --> 02:06:44,840
Speaker 1: curious about like mouth calling, boy, And I mean I

2342
02:06:44,960 --> 02:06:48,520
Speaker 1: know that there's like there's places that it's still practiced, right,

2343
02:06:48,640 --> 02:06:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean in the United States, not like not even

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02:06:50,920 --> 02:06:52,760
Speaker 1: going out of the borders, but explain what it is

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02:06:53,240 --> 02:06:59,680
Speaker 1: calling ducks and geese with your mouth like exactly, Like

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02:06:59,760 --> 02:07:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be that like an example of it, but

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02:07:04,520 --> 02:07:07,000
Speaker 1: like I want to I'm curious, like what your experience

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02:07:07,040 --> 02:07:09,520
Speaker 1: has been with that, you know, like what I know,

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02:07:09,800 --> 02:07:11,760
Speaker 1: uh boy, HOIDI you know, the first time I ever

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02:07:11,800 --> 02:07:15,040
Speaker 1: saw a mouth calling was in Tennessee on real foot

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02:07:15,120 --> 02:07:19,240
Speaker 1: Lake this many years ago, oh many years ago. And

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02:07:19,480 --> 02:07:21,920
Speaker 1: there they use these calls over there to the typical

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02:07:22,040 --> 02:07:25,760
Speaker 1: traditional real foot Lake called it has got a metal

2354
02:07:26,840 --> 02:07:32,000
Speaker 1: read and it's a real high pitch, you know. And

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02:07:32,040 --> 02:07:34,680
Speaker 1: when old ducks start getting in closed, getting in close,

2356
02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:40,360
Speaker 1: they start anchoring them, start shouting that that's how they

2357
02:07:40,440 --> 02:07:44,080
Speaker 1: finished those birds. It's very traditional, real foot Lake style. Cool.

2358
02:07:44,120 --> 02:07:47,400
Speaker 1: And I've seen the same thing in Netherlands where they'll

2359
02:07:47,480 --> 02:07:49,880
Speaker 1: they'll ank them. They don't, they don't call it anching.

2360
02:07:49,920 --> 02:07:53,360
Speaker 1: They just start anching. And were you saying this? That

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02:07:53,480 --> 02:07:57,920
Speaker 1: means that with their voices, they're saying the word and

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02:07:58,000 --> 02:08:06,200
Speaker 1: calling exactly there, just loud. And I've seen you take

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Speaker 1: it to a whole another level now and here and

2364
02:08:08,360 --> 02:08:10,000
Speaker 1: here in the US. I know that the guys that

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02:08:10,040 --> 02:08:13,000
Speaker 1: are hunting swans, you swan, they're probably gonna call them

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Speaker 1: with their mouth, especially especially the tun trunch swans. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna call them with their mouth. I can't do that call, No,

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02:08:19,680 --> 02:08:25,280
Speaker 1: I can't do that. But you go over, you go over,

2369
02:08:25,440 --> 02:08:32,200
Speaker 1: you go over to uh Aderbaijan. Again, those guys call everything. Now,

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02:08:32,280 --> 02:08:34,640
Speaker 1: they'll use electronic calls at time, but it's not enough

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02:08:35,120 --> 02:08:37,680
Speaker 1: they're they're subsidizing it with their own call. In fact,

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Speaker 1: we posted somewhere on our Instagram, we posted one of

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Speaker 1: the one of the duck guys over there. They'll let

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02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:47,040
Speaker 1: you hear the electronic call faintly in the background, but

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02:08:47,120 --> 02:08:49,600
Speaker 1: he's running through all the species with his mouth and

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02:08:49,640 --> 02:08:53,600
Speaker 1: it's it's unbelievable, you know. So when you come back

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Speaker 1: from Answerbayan, you know, you are hunting all over the world.

2378
02:08:58,560 --> 02:09:00,720
Speaker 1: Is there like a is there a any kind of

2379
02:09:00,800 --> 02:09:05,560
Speaker 1: specialness that comes with hunting where you first started? Yeah,

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02:09:05,760 --> 02:09:08,640
Speaker 1: I think I know what you're asking. And it's like

2381
02:09:08,800 --> 02:09:10,640
Speaker 1: the more you hunt, the more you see in the

2382
02:09:10,680 --> 02:09:13,000
Speaker 1: different stuff you do. It's like it's like this this uh,

2383
02:09:13,080 --> 02:09:15,480
Speaker 1: this thing for hunting it home, you know. It's it's

2384
02:09:15,520 --> 02:09:17,560
Speaker 1: like it's like it's so strange and different from home,

2385
02:09:17,640 --> 02:09:19,520
Speaker 1: but then at the same time, it's so much like home,

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02:09:20,320 --> 02:09:22,760
Speaker 1: and and it just it really, uh, it really gives

2387
02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:25,120
Speaker 1: me a fidelity for home hunting, just like I did

2388
02:09:25,200 --> 02:09:30,880
Speaker 1: traditionally at home. I think that's what you're asking. How

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02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:33,600
Speaker 1: how we hunt ducks here? It is way different than

2390
02:09:33,720 --> 02:09:37,000
Speaker 1: how they hunt ducks everywhere else, And I you can't

2391
02:09:37,080 --> 02:09:39,680
Speaker 1: famous how hunt those ostility turkeys. The way we started.

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02:09:39,720 --> 02:09:42,080
Speaker 1: You can't paint yourself in a corner. The world is

2393
02:09:42,120 --> 02:09:45,360
Speaker 1: a lot bigger than our backyards. I've shot ducks, uh.

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Speaker 1: For example, here we are in Montana. I know y'all

2395
02:09:47,880 --> 02:09:49,760
Speaker 1: shoot water fowl up here, but just think about it, man,

2396
02:09:49,800 --> 02:09:52,200
Speaker 1: We're in the mountains, water runs downhill, and I feel

2397
02:09:52,200 --> 02:09:54,040
Speaker 1: like I spend most of my life in the lowest

2398
02:09:54,120 --> 02:09:57,000
Speaker 1: line places on our shooting ducks. But I have shot

2399
02:09:57,160 --> 02:10:00,800
Speaker 1: a pair of andy and geese sixteen thousand feet in Peru.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, I've shot him. I've shot him on the

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Speaker 1: Barren Sea in January. I've shot him in the timber

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02:10:07,560 --> 02:10:09,200
Speaker 1: in this I've shot him at night by light. I've

2403
02:10:09,200 --> 02:10:11,520
Speaker 1: shot him at night by by moonlight, of shot him

2404
02:10:11,560 --> 02:10:14,360
Speaker 1: with naked eyes. It's a very You know how people

2405
02:10:14,520 --> 02:10:17,720
Speaker 1: hunt around the world, It's very different. One of the

2406
02:10:17,800 --> 02:10:21,040
Speaker 1: craziest things was in Russia. We were shooting eighters on

2407
02:10:21,080 --> 02:10:24,960
Speaker 1: the White Sea and they Russia has no basis, no

2408
02:10:25,200 --> 02:10:29,000
Speaker 1: concept for duck honey, none zil it killed it up.

2409
02:10:29,080 --> 02:10:32,640
Speaker 1: I said that very practical Russian hunt. So we're gonna

2410
02:10:32,640 --> 02:10:34,760
Speaker 1: go out of ider honey. And I brought him decoys. No, no, no,

2411
02:10:34,880 --> 02:10:36,960
Speaker 1: we don't need those. It was it was like a

2412
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Speaker 1: James Bond movie. We're in a metal speed boat. He's

2413
02:10:40,080 --> 02:10:43,200
Speaker 1: going as fast as you can and we're beside the

2414
02:10:43,280 --> 02:10:46,080
Speaker 1: iders and I've got my legs out on the boat

2415
02:10:46,120 --> 02:10:47,520
Speaker 1: so I don't fly out when we hit a wave

2416
02:10:47,560 --> 02:10:49,520
Speaker 1: and I'm holding on one arm or shooting with the other.

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02:10:50,440 --> 02:10:54,560
Speaker 1: You're throwing dynamite and no, no, it was just it

2418
02:10:54,720 --> 02:10:56,520
Speaker 1: was just you know, right by the time you think

2419
02:10:56,600 --> 02:11:00,280
Speaker 1: you've done it all, somebody shows, you know, Waite a

2420
02:11:00,280 --> 02:11:02,800
Speaker 1: shooter duck, and you know, I like, I like a

2421
02:11:02,840 --> 02:11:07,480
Speaker 1: spirit to the writer Ian Fraser, he told me a

2422
02:11:07,600 --> 02:11:10,680
Speaker 1: really good story. He spent years in Siberia writing a

2423
02:11:10,680 --> 02:11:13,440
Speaker 1: book about Siberia, and he just was telling me about

2424
02:11:14,440 --> 02:11:16,000
Speaker 1: he finally gets an invite to go out with these

2425
02:11:16,080 --> 02:11:19,760
Speaker 1: guys to hunt. They we want some kind of seal

2426
02:11:19,960 --> 02:11:22,040
Speaker 1: or seiland. I can't hear what they're going for, but

2427
02:11:23,240 --> 02:11:27,560
Speaker 1: they're like Siberian anyway, I can't what do they call that.

2428
02:11:28,080 --> 02:11:32,080
Speaker 1: There's a different name for the like Eskimo. Eskimo were

2429
02:11:32,120 --> 02:11:34,800
Speaker 1: Intuit people who live in Siberia. I believe they might

2430
02:11:34,840 --> 02:11:36,640
Speaker 1: have a different word. Either way, He's with them and

2431
02:11:36,760 --> 02:11:42,120
Speaker 1: they go out and they have a bullet. There's a

2432
02:11:42,280 --> 02:11:46,600
Speaker 1: bullet and they go on the most like hellacious motor

2433
02:11:46,640 --> 02:11:51,000
Speaker 1: boat ride, you know, going through the seas. They get there,

2434
02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:53,800
Speaker 1: they're just getting tossed around by waves. He's seasick the

2435
02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:56,080
Speaker 1: whole time. The whole time, there's like seals out in

2436
02:11:56,120 --> 02:11:57,800
Speaker 1: front of them, but they can't shoot because they got

2437
02:11:57,880 --> 02:12:00,600
Speaker 1: like a bullet and the event should get it where

2438
02:12:00,640 --> 02:12:02,480
Speaker 1: a guy gets just the right shot and shoots the

2439
02:12:02,640 --> 02:12:05,960
Speaker 1: bullet and kills the thing. And they started heading back

2440
02:12:06,040 --> 02:12:09,480
Speaker 1: and he's getting more seasick and he's soaking wet. He's like,

2441
02:12:09,480 --> 02:12:11,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how these people can, like how can

2442
02:12:11,720 --> 02:12:13,600
Speaker 1: they do this? Like how can they even stand this

2443
02:12:13,720 --> 02:12:15,640
Speaker 1: kind of thing? And he says, high up he sees

2444
02:12:15,680 --> 02:12:20,320
Speaker 1: this duck, Like this duck crosses over the boat and

2445
02:12:20,400 --> 02:12:24,640
Speaker 1: it starts losing altitude and drops down into this distant

2446
02:12:24,720 --> 02:12:29,720
Speaker 1: bay and he said, that boat turns to that D'rectly's

2447
02:12:29,760 --> 02:12:34,800
Speaker 1: like no. They went and spent the rest of the

2448
02:12:35,400 --> 02:12:40,920
Speaker 1: evening looking for a duck. I like to jump shoot ducks,

2449
02:12:40,960 --> 02:12:45,760
Speaker 1: pass shoot ducks, decoy ducks. But I found it with turkeys, man,

2450
02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:52,440
Speaker 1: Like I want to hunt turkeys in like leaning against

2451
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:56,280
Speaker 1: a tree, trying to call a turkey like a called

2452
02:12:56,320 --> 02:12:59,920
Speaker 1: in turkey means a lot more to me right alone,

2453
02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:03,280
Speaker 1: own pressured called in turkey means a lot more to

2454
02:13:03,360 --> 02:13:06,280
Speaker 1: me than than bushwhacking a turkey, or ambush and the turkey,

2455
02:13:06,520 --> 02:13:09,320
Speaker 1: or getting turkeys that just run across the fields they

2456
02:13:09,360 --> 02:13:10,920
Speaker 1: have never seen a decoy in your life, and then

2457
02:13:10,960 --> 02:13:13,880
Speaker 1: they stand there for twenty minutes. Like I like that

2458
02:13:14,040 --> 02:13:19,360
Speaker 1: turkey that comes just in after like an excruciating amount

2459
02:13:19,400 --> 02:13:21,240
Speaker 1: of time and he doesn't want to do it and

2460
02:13:21,360 --> 02:13:25,600
Speaker 1: eventually does it. I like that. But a lot of stuff,

2461
02:13:25,600 --> 02:13:29,520
Speaker 1: I just take it as you get it. I agree, Yeah, No,

2462
02:13:29,680 --> 02:13:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's that, it's that relationship. You feel like

2463
02:13:31,920 --> 02:13:34,840
Speaker 1: you earned it that way. But sometimes birch just play

2464
02:13:34,960 --> 02:13:38,960
Speaker 1: different rules, you know. Oh yeah, I'll take a wallet.

2465
02:13:38,960 --> 02:13:41,520
Speaker 1: I mean, short of throwing dynamite in the water, I'll

2466
02:13:41,560 --> 02:13:44,080
Speaker 1: take the wall out. You know you're coming on bait.

2467
02:13:44,200 --> 02:13:46,400
Speaker 1: That's great, coming on bobers. I'll take it. You know.

2468
02:13:46,520 --> 02:13:48,360
Speaker 1: It's like I don't need it. I don't need it

2469
02:13:48,400 --> 02:13:49,360
Speaker 1: to be is. I don't need it to be that

2470
02:13:49,600 --> 02:13:53,760
Speaker 1: vertical jig. You know, I'll just take it. I unabashedly

2471
02:13:54,120 --> 02:13:58,160
Speaker 1: prefer hunting ducks over water. That's I don't know what

2472
02:13:58,280 --> 02:14:03,000
Speaker 1: it is, like decoys like but something about like a cornfield,

2473
02:14:03,400 --> 02:14:06,840
Speaker 1: cornfield alfalfa. I just it doesn't it doesn't get me

2474
02:14:06,880 --> 02:14:08,280
Speaker 1: in the same spot. I don't know. I don't know

2475
02:14:08,320 --> 02:14:13,560
Speaker 1: what that is. I agree, all right, Ramsey Russell, danks

2476
02:14:13,880 --> 02:14:16,800
Speaker 1: so much for coming in. How tell us how I

2477
02:14:16,840 --> 02:14:18,960
Speaker 1: know we talked a hundred times about get ducks dot com.

2478
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:20,920
Speaker 1: But how how else can people find you? Check us

2479
02:14:20,920 --> 02:14:24,080
Speaker 1: out on social media at Ramsey Russell Get ducks. That's

2480
02:14:24,080 --> 02:14:26,200
Speaker 1: a great way to keep up spatially when the world's

2481
02:14:26,200 --> 02:14:27,880
Speaker 1: turning and we're trapping, to keep up with where we're

2482
02:14:27,880 --> 02:14:30,760
Speaker 1: at and what we're doing. Just all one word, Ramsey Russell.

2483
02:14:31,000 --> 02:14:35,560
Speaker 1: Get no like tons on a underscore s underscore s underscore,

2484
02:14:35,640 --> 02:14:40,520
Speaker 1: don't feed everybody get ducks and you're on Instagram? Whatnot?

2485
02:14:40,680 --> 02:14:45,840
Speaker 1: Actually all right, so go check them out on Instagram.

2486
02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:50,280
Speaker 1: Ramsey Russell, Get ducks, the great Ramsey Russell, thanks cunning.

2487
02:14:50,320 --> 02:14:52,160
Speaker 1: We we we came in with applause. We're gonna go

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02:14:52,160 --> 02:14:55,600
Speaker 1: out with an applause. Thank you all. I'm I'm I'm

2489
02:14:55,640 --> 02:14:58,760
Speaker 1: honored to be here. Thank you all very much. That's fun.