1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Body bus with Joseph s gotten More. One of the 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: most historic waterways in history is the Thames, and it's 3 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: the way it's spelled is not the way it's pronounced. 4 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: It's actually th h A M E s. But it's 5 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: the Thames. Sounds like a guy's name Tim. The reason 6 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: it's so historic is it has It has been a 7 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: waterway that has been used since prior to Roman colonization 8 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: in England, goes back thousands of years, and just beneath 9 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: the surface there is all kinds of history that can 10 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,919 Speaker 1: be found there. You know, old pilings they have found 11 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: where the Romans had constructed bridges. You can find broken 12 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: old clay pipes out there, and every now and then 13 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: you'll find things like weapons and spoons and things have 14 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: just been tossed over just from the centuries of use. 15 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: But every now and then you'll come across something even 16 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: more interesting in the Thames. Sometimes you'll find broken people, 17 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 1: perhaps floating in the Thames today on body backs. That's 18 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: what we're going to discuss. A person apparently so broken 19 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: that they decided to throw themselves off of a bridge 20 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: into the Thames, not to take their own life, but 21 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: perhaps because they have taken the life of others. I'm 22 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body Bags, Dave. There 23 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: was a time where in London where you could not 24 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: get near the Thames. It had such a foul odor 25 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: and a lot of it. Yeah, and a lot of 26 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: it has to do with with uh, with raw sewage 27 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: that had poured in there and all these sorts of things. 28 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 2: Hold on, Joe, before we get too far afoot here, 29 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: I want to hear about the Thames and ross sewage. 30 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: But today we're actually dealing with a murder mystery. A 31 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: big time TV show and a winning contestant and an 32 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: entrepreneur all rolled into one. And by the way, it 33 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: all fits into this murder mystery that was revenge for 34 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 2: a bad breakup. Not kidding the victims, fourteen year old 35 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: Inez Dibadeaux and her thirteen year old best friend, Amelia Ferrero, 36 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 2: and possibly another woman will tell you about her in 37 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: a little bit, But these two girls actually were given 38 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 2: chocolate covered raspberries as a treat, but when they ingested them, 39 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: they ended up in the hospital. Four days later they died. 40 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:28,399 Speaker 2: They were poisoned with a colorless, tasteless, odorless poison called Thallium, 41 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: the Murder of Inez de Badeaux Amelia Ferrero. That's the 42 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: episode today, and it is it's not fascinating. It's not 43 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: a murder mystery. It's a murder in real life. It's 44 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: disgusting and raw, much like the Thames was back in 45 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: the day. But Joe, I know you've got incredible stories 46 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: about Great Britain. I know you love it over there, 47 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: but what do you find fascinating about the Thames. 48 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: One of the most fascinating things that I absolutely adore 49 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: about the Thames is that if you travel along the river, 50 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: you'll come to what would have been a little village 51 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: at one point in time, but now it's all part 52 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: of London called Greenwich. And we've heard of Greenwich, Connecticut, right, Well, 53 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: Greenwich is actually where Greenwich, meantime comes from. It's literally 54 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: where time starts. And I've been to the museum multiple times. 55 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: They've actually got the original measurements for the Imperial inch, 56 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: the Imperial foot, the Imperial Yard, and you can go 57 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: into the museum and this is quite fascinating to me. 58 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: And if I'm not mistaken, they have the original rope 59 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: that sailors used in order to measure knots. You know 60 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: how we use miles per hour kilometers per hour, well, 61 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: you know, or sailors they use knots, you know how 62 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,119 Speaker 1: fast something is going in a vessel in the water. 63 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: Fascinating place. There's this gigantic red ball there and it's 64 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: all dented up. Interestingly enough, because during I think it 65 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: was during one of the wars, a bunch of the 66 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: people that occupied that space up there tried to use 67 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: this thing as a soccer ball. And the thing is gigantic, 68 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: it's metallic, and they started knocking it about. Now it's 69 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: kind of sealed off and it's got dents in it 70 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: and everything. But for years and years they have these 71 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: clocks that are there at this museum and or actually 72 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: the spot where time is established, and they're set so 73 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: that when it gets to the top of the hour, 74 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: say at noon, this ball would ascend into the air, okay, 75 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: and all of the ships on the Thames, which went 76 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: all around the world, would send up signals to indicate 77 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: what the time of day was. It's before obviously before 78 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: we had the ability to even have telegraph to send 79 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: out messages like this, and people would go back because 80 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: you know, you can go to a variety of different 81 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: areas all over the world, and time is different everywhere 82 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: you go, right, so you never know what you're going 83 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: to find in the Thames. The reason I'm telling you 84 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: all of this about this area is that in today's episode, 85 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: we're actually going to be talking about a woman who 86 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: apparently fled to Great Britain and when she arrived, seemingly 87 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: she felt like she had literally arrived at the end 88 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: of her rope. I guess, you know, threw herself into 89 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: the tyms. She was found and she is still alive, 90 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: but Dave, she's facing some very serious charges. 91 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing that the headline of the story is 92 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: Shark Tank contestant. When you see the headline Shark Tank contestant, 93 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: you're thinking, Hey, I probably know who this is. I 94 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: might have seen them on a commercial, a promo or 95 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: on the show if you I don't even know the 96 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: show is still on. But if you're in the US 97 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: and you see that, you know the problem is this 98 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 2: is not in the US, because that's the first thing 99 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 2: I did, all right, Where was this? You know? Because 100 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: they have TV shows around the world, and you know 101 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: they have it's shocking to some when you go to 102 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: another country, and you go, hey, wait a minute, that 103 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 2: show's big Bang theory. But I don't understand what these 104 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: people are saying because they're speaking, you know, a different language. Yeah, 105 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: it happens, and Shark Tank is no different. The woman 106 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: we're talking about here, who is actually accused of attempted 107 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: murder and murder at this point, was on Shark Tank Colombia, 108 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: North America. Yeah, so, uh, Zulma Guzman Castro, Zulma Guzman Castro, 109 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: that's your name. She is in her mid fifties, going 110 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: to be polite. I don't know why I should be. 111 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 2: But apparently she used chocolate covered raspberries to poison on 112 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: purpose another human being and it worked, Joe. She did 113 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: poison another human being, actually two human beings, a fourteen 114 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 2: year old girl Innez de Debau who was fourteen, and 115 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: Amelia Ferrero thirteen. These two little girls ate chocolate raspberries 116 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 2: and died. Joe. Now, I don't know what kind of 117 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: evil you are to take chocolate and raspberries and use 118 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: those as a delivery for death. 119 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't either, because we're just you know, uh, 120 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: Christmas is in our rear view mirror, and uh, my 121 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: family one of our family members actually sends Kimmy and 122 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: I a package from David's. Have you ever heard of David's. 123 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: They do like moose tracks and all that sort of stuff, 124 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: And contained therein are these. 125 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: As my name, but something I can't afford, you know. 126 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know I couldn't afford it either. But they've 127 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: got these. Their their raspberry I think, or maybe cherry, 128 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but they're they look like hard candy, 129 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: but they're not. And contained inside is like chocolate of 130 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: mouse watering right now as a matter of fact, and 131 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: they look so delicious. And and listen, I I uh 132 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: talking about London. I went to if you ever get 133 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: a chance, you need to go to Herod's when you're 134 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: when you're over there, because they have got a candy 135 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: section that is just unbelievable and it's all handmade, dude. 136 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: And they had chocolate covered cherries there, all manner of 137 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: different kinds of chocolate covered fruit. And think about these kids. 138 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: Is there anything more tempting to a child time? And 139 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: that that oh, I say, what you did there? Uh yeah, 140 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: I'll make sure to put some out when you come over. 141 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 2: Okay, no it happening. I am never eating anything that 142 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: I don't make myself or no. I am seriously considered everything. 143 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: That is terrifying. I mean it really is, you know, 144 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: because the thing about Poisoning Day is that it is targeted, 145 00:10:54,360 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: but yet it is in its own way. It's it's 146 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: non specific because you don't know who's going to pick 147 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: something up. I mean, you really don't. It's it seems 148 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: as though that we've just recently covered a case about 149 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: poisoned wine I believe, didn't we yes, we had yet, 150 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: and so you don't know who's going to pick up 151 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: a bottle that you've laced it. Think about the talanol, 152 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: the talanol murders that took place all those years ago, 153 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: and that's a randomized kind of thing. It's not like 154 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: it's not like you know, you hear those old spy 155 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: stories where people would you know, the guy with the 156 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: I can't remember the details. That Soviet Bloc came up 157 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: with the umbrella and it had the little radioactive ball 158 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: and he injected it into the guy's skin, you know. 159 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: With the umbrella. Now that's that's targeted. You're going specifically 160 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: for them, But you put out a plate of something, 161 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: my Lord in Heaven, that's that's horrible stuff, man. 162 00:11:54,840 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: Well, the saddest reality here is that this, actually, Joe, 163 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 2: is another story that begins with an interpersonal romantic relationship 164 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 2: that ended after six years, and our suspect, she has 165 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 2: not been convicted. She is still a suspect. She is 166 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 2: actually accused of taking out her anger on her former 167 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: lover boyfriend. Whatever you are when you're that age. I 168 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: don't know that her motive was to get revenge for 169 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 2: him breaking up with her after six years. And I'm thinking, 170 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 2: if he broke up with her after six years, Joe, 171 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 2: and this is her response, don't you think he saw 172 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: a few things over the last six years that kind 173 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 2: of tipped him off that maybe she wasn't as balanced 174 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: as she might appear when she's on TV Shark Tank 175 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: trying to win a contest. 176 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean precisely. And you try to take the 177 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: measure of it, and you wonder if if there was 178 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: anything disgregious that was on his I mean, one part 179 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: of me is hoping no, because if this is something 180 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: that is on your radar and you you know, you 181 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: don't react to it, or you know, identified if you're 182 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: still going to allow children to be around this person, Yeah, 183 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: that's very sinister. 184 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 2: It's very very dark. 185 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: Man. 186 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: You have something else that hit me? It just did 187 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: I apologize for not? Okay? You know, we've been dealing 188 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: with the Teppe murders up in Ohio and where Monique 189 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 2: and Spencer are allegedly murdered by Monique's ex husband. Now, 190 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 2: Spencer and Monique had been married for five years, and 191 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: Spencer Monique had been divorced from doctor McKee for you know, 192 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 2: three years before she got remarried, So they've been apart 193 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 2: for eight years, right, Yeah, Joe. In this case, the 194 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: suspect here was involved in a six year relationship that 195 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 2: ended in twenty twenty. She just tried to do this. 196 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: They've been broken up for five years. They've been broken 197 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: up nearly as long as they dated. When they broke up. 198 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 2: This little girl that died was nine, the other was 199 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 2: only eight when they broke up. Think about that for 200 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 2: a minute, and what kind of simmering evil is there 201 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: allegedly that would cause somebody to bring about this kind 202 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: of pain on somebody five years after they ended a 203 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 2: dating relationship. 204 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, the only way. It's pure evil, and it's ghoulish 205 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: on one level, because what I think that you begin 206 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: to think about this from the perspective of your hurt 207 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: feelings or your jealousy or whatever it is, that that 208 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: is more important than the lives of these people, these 209 00:14:54,520 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: youngsters that have been exposed to this toxin. And Dave, 210 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: this is something that would have taken a significant amount 211 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: of work in order to facilitate this. First off, you 212 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: have to determine what your delivery method it's going to be, 213 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: and then you have to know how to handle the stuff. 214 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: And then how are you going to get the agent 215 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: into this system, not just the system of the victims, 216 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: but can you sufficiently get it into these chocolate covered raspberries. 217 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I do know this what she 218 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: wound up giving these children that wound up in her 219 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: in their desks, and another victim who is twenty one 220 00:15:54,680 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: years old, actually goes by the name of the poison poison. 221 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: Out of all the substances that this perpetrator, alleged perpetrator 222 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: might choose, she actually chose one of the single most 223 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: poisonous substances known to man. And it's it's naturally naturally occurring. 224 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Joe, Yeah, wait a minute. A little 225 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: while ago, when Joe was telling me about this particular 226 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: poison and he said, it's the poisoner's poison that got 227 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: my attention. But when you tell me it's naturally occurring, 228 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: like I could go find this somewhere and just obtain 229 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: it and keep it. 230 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you could if you were of a mind. 231 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: And I think I have to ask. And I don't 232 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: know what the rules and regulations are in Columbia, but 233 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: you know here, okay, let me see, let me get 234 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: this right. We used to use the substance. I'll give 235 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: you the name of a second. We used to use 236 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: this substance in the US for pesticide, and they actually 237 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: referred to it as road inside, which is for rats 238 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: and mice. We stopped, we stopped allowing companies to use 239 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:40,239 Speaker 1: it in nineteen seventy two. Now just think back, you know, 240 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, it was the last of it was 241 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: manufactured in the US in nineteen eighty four. We knew 242 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: back then how dangerous it was, and after we identified 243 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: it at that point in time, other countries followed suit. 244 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: They began to remove it. And this poison, which is 245 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: no onus thallium has it's got a myriad of uses. 246 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: It's actually used interestingly enough in nuclear medicine and uh, 247 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: you know the uh you begin to think about imaging, 248 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: imaging devices, these sorts of things. It's been used in 249 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: that that way, it's used in uh, let's see, I 250 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: think it might be. Is it used in semiconductors. I'm 251 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: not really sure. I know that it's used in manufacturing 252 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: of of certain electronic devices. I believe. Uh. It's not 253 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: used like other other agents as a solvent though, like 254 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: as a cleaner you'll find it, so it's very very specific. 255 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: Here's another factoid with it. It's got what they call 256 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: a very uh narrow therapeutic spectrum, which means as an element, 257 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: does it have any utility in treatment as a medicine 258 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: And one of the few things that it had been 259 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: used with in the past was treatment of ringworm, and 260 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: they were like, I think we'll find another way to 261 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: treat ringworm other than applying thallium, because I can only 262 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: imagine they probably had cases and they've known about the 263 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: toxicity for some time. It has to be very controlled. 264 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: But this stuff is odorless, it's tasteless when prepared, it's clear. 265 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: So I think that part of this kind of name 266 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: that's been hung on it as the poisonous poison. It 267 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: goes to that. It's very very stealthy. There's no way 268 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: that you're going to be able to pick up on it. 269 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: But buddy, let me tell you something. The symptomology with this, 270 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: when it is applied to an individual, it is a brutal, 271 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: brutal death, Dave. 272 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,120 Speaker 2: I know because of the way we have been talking 273 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: about it that it would be delivered via chocolate covered raspberries. 274 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 2: I assumed it was something that you would maybe bite 275 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 2: in the chocolate and it would be dusting on the raspberries, 276 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 2: you know, and that you would lick or something along, 277 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: but you would ingest it that way. 278 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm just or it could be injected. It could be 279 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: injected into the raspberry itself. So we don't know at 280 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: this point. But yeah, I mean I see your point here. 281 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 2: Wow, all right, so you've got how would you discover? 282 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 2: That's what killed I mean? Because if you get poisoned 283 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 2: by something like that, okay, that you have no idea, 284 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: you go to the hospital, or you take your child 285 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 2: or whoever you take them to the hospital because they're 286 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 2: going to get sick. What kind of of what symptoms 287 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 2: are they going to show. 288 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: Well, some of the symptoms they're going to show. It's 289 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: got a lot of a lot of neurological problems that 290 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: arise with it. You'll see things like seizures, tremendous headaches, tremors, 291 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: inability to talk, like dysphonia almost and you can also 292 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 1: see signs lesions on skin as well. A taxia, you know, 293 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: which is it's a where you don't have control over 294 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: your your your motor functions. There's like a gait abnormality, 295 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: you know, when you're trying to walk along. So it's 296 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: really attacking your neuromuscular system. Here's here's an issue with 297 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: this is that if it's attacking your brain and your 298 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: central nervous system, that way, well what controls the rhythm 299 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: of your heart. Okay, So as a consequence of this, 300 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: you run the risk of having some kind of cardiac 301 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: event along with this. So it's a it's a very 302 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: slippery slope and to be able to treat someone, first off, 303 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: you'd have to recognize the symptomology. And you might have 304 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: somebody that I don't know, they could present I guess 305 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: and if they have dysphonia or a taxia whatever the 306 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 1: case might be. You might look at them and say, oh, okay, 307 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: this person's having a stroke. But dude, when you've got 308 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: a thirteen and a fourteen year old that roll in 309 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: in tandem, assuming they rolled in in tandem, unless they 310 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: died there at the scene, and this is still kind 311 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: of unclear at this point. Hopefully we can you know, 312 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:43,239 Speaker 1: maybe clarify that. But you're thinking, Okay, this is not 313 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: this is not someone that's having a stroke. You know, 314 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: at these ages, how are they presenting at that point 315 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: in time? And then once this occurs, you have to 316 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: flush the system. You have to flush the system immediately. 317 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: In the acute sense. You're going to administer something that 318 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: will probably coat the stomach, induce vomiting, all these sorts 319 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: of things if you can get out of their system, 320 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: and the course for recovery for this, if you survive, 321 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: is long, long, long. If they can catch it in 322 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: tom Yeah. 323 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 2: Well, you know something else that came out of this, 324 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: okay we're talking about this is okay, the six ueer relationship. 325 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 2: There are five years you know, six yeer relationship that 326 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 2: was going on, and the man who was involved in 327 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: the relationship with with zul M Gouzman Castro. He was 328 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: married at the time. They were in their relationship and 329 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 2: he broke off the relationship with her, and a year 330 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 2: later his wife died of cancer. They suspect, they being 331 00:23:55,080 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 2: law enforcement, now suspect that she was poisoned with thallium 332 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 2: twice before she died a year after he broke up 333 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 2: with with Castro. I mean, Joe, it's so deep here that. 334 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, well it I got to tell you something 335 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: because this is a revelation to me, Dave. Thallium is 336 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: a heavy metal, you know, like lead. It followed mercury. 337 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: It falls into that classification, yeah, arsenic. The thing about 338 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: the thing about thallium and heavy metals, guess what, you 339 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: can actually exhumee bodies and you can find evidence of exposure. 340 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: I really wonder. I wonder if they're going to go 341 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: down that road with the wife that had passed, because 342 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: she's not she wouldn't just be looking at two counts 343 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 1: of homicide if they can put her adjacent to this 344 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: poor woman. And what did they what did they think 345 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: Her original cause of death was cancer? 346 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: They said she died of cancer in August of twenty 347 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 2: twenty one, And yeah, I. 348 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: Wonder how that diagnosis was made. And I'm not being 349 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to sound be a jerk by saying that, 350 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: but I'm just wondering because here's the thing. You know, 351 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: how I mentioned poisonous poison. If you've got someone that's 352 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 1: already debilitated with cancer, think how easy it would be 353 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: to push them over the edge with allium. And you 354 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: would just look at this death and say, oh, yeah, 355 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: well she had cancer and she said, come and guess 356 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: what would not have been done an autopsy at that 357 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: particular time. They would just said, okay, she had the 358 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: big cea. She's gone on to her reward, and they 359 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: would bury her. Hopefully they didn't cremate her. But if 360 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: you could go back and collect samples, you know, that 361 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: was one of the things, like I think it was. 362 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: I know I'll get this wrong, but bear with me. 363 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: They had sample of Napoleon's hair and they thought that 364 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: he had been poisoned. I don't know if it was 365 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: mercury or lead, and they were checking checking those hair 366 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: samples for him because you can actually find you can 367 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: find elements. You know, it's not like that's naturally occurring 368 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: that it would be in the hair. Hair is generally 369 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 1: where they're going to go for this to see if 370 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: they can source it out at that particular time. The 371 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: only problem is is that that's kind of a qualifying finding. 372 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: It's not a quantitative finding. So I don't know that 373 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: you could ever get to the point where where you 374 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: would say, okay, this was a lethal dose. But even 375 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: more so thallium. I mean, you can't find it anymore. 376 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: It's out there. Obviously she allegedly found it, but it's 377 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: not like it's floating around out there everywhere. If you 378 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: found thallium in this in this wife's system, boy, that's 379 00:26:55,080 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: that's a stake through her heart legally speaking. So just 380 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: to catch you up to speak with these victims, brother Dave, 381 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: they were they were taken to the hospital. They were 382 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: taking the hospital, and these two little girls, thirteen and fourteen, 383 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: lived for four days. Unbelievable, and I wouldn't I'm using 384 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: the term lived, but they ain't living. It would have 385 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: been an excruciating, miserable existence. I find it interesting that 386 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: they both lived for four days and died, you know, 387 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: I think treatment wise, that gives you an indication. And 388 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 1: I really wonder how long it took, how long it 389 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,479 Speaker 1: took the medical personnel to make that assessment. You know, say, okay, 390 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: we're dealing with the alium now, but if you're talking 391 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: about four days your system, it's not like it's just 392 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: kind of sitting there in your stomach. Now this thing's 393 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: been it's it's been uptaken into it's been metabolized. So 394 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: now this stuff's going through your body. You're past the 395 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: acute phase at this point. I major problem here. 396 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 2: Now it makes more sense that there was because earlier 397 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 2: when I was looking at this and it said that 398 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 2: there are two other people. We have the two dead girls, 399 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 2: the fourteen and thirteen year old. That's sad enough, okay, 400 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 2: But then there's another girl who also was poisonous, said 401 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 2: she suffered life changing injuries. And there was a twenty 402 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: one year old older brother was also a victim who 403 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 2: was hospitalized but he survived. But I'm looking at that, 404 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 2: I was thinking life changing injuries. Okay, I know poisons 405 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,959 Speaker 2: do all kinds of things, but they lived for days. 406 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: What in the world did this other yet? Maybe she did. 407 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 2: It's good. 408 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I can tell you. I bet you 409 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: dollars to donuts. It's going to be some kind of 410 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: life changing neurological deficit she's going to have to live 411 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: with and can it can come in any number of ways. 412 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: I actually think that a substance like this could in 413 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: fact impair your site. Perhaps it could certainly impair your 414 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: motor skills. And they're saying, you know, like her life 415 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: is taking a different course at this point. We're no 416 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: longer on the track that we were prior to ingestion 417 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: of this stuff. I would imagine that the twenty one 418 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: year old that survived, he was able to fill in 419 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: the blanks quite a bit because this is, you know, 420 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: this is a medical investigation at this point time. I mean, 421 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: it truly is, you know, most most folks. That's why 422 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 1: I love working with nurses. Nurses what they do and 423 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: what doctors do to a certain extent, but certainly nurses 424 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: they are investigators. That's what they have to do because 425 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: they're having to drag information out of people. Sometimes the 426 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: people don't speak very well, some people are not reticent 427 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: to give information because it's so personal and sometimes just symptomology. 428 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: You know, they have to work through a problem because 429 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: it's not all cookie cutter. It's not cookie cutter medicine, 430 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: and particularly when you start to talk about some kind 431 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: of exotic poison like this, and you know, kind of 432 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: work your way through it. I wonder if this alleged 433 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: perpetrator as her plane is lifting off to take her 434 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: somewhere safe. I wonder if she had this in her 435 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: rear view mirror. I wonder how much of an awareness 436 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: she had dave that of what she had done, you 437 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: know what kind of It's fascinating because the guy who 438 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: is supposedly identified as a person that's bringing all of 439 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: this trouble into her life, he's not physically impacted by this. 440 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: It's these it's these other folks. 441 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 2: You know, Joe. When we were talking about this before 442 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 2: we started, and I know nothing about ballium, Okay, it's 443 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 2: just something i'd heard of before. And now I'm trying 444 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 2: to remember where I heard it because I'm a little 445 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 2: concerned over who might have said it and whether or not, you. 446 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: Know, naturally occurring. 447 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm thinking, and naturally I mean to me, I'm thinking, 448 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 2: there's I'm making notes here. You know. It's kind of 449 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: like people watching Breaking Bad to learn how they how 450 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 2: to make meth, you know, like that's not what we're 451 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 2: doing here. It's like but this thallium to think about 452 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 2: something that is naturally occurring, that is the poisoners poison. 453 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 2: It really is taking this down a much a path 454 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 2: I never expected to go. It reminds me of the 455 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 2: mushroom cap Lady in Australia and the other poisonings we've 456 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 2: had recently where people have gone down this path and 457 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 2: the death through poison is a god awful experience. 458 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and each each particular type of poison brings about 459 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: it's on terror, okay, because certain things are going to 460 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: impact you. Even going back to a Jett Lyles, you 461 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: know when she had poisoned her her daughter with the 462 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: andro and andro ant poisoning, and one of her husbands 463 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: she poisons, well, do you know they had to strap 464 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,479 Speaker 1: their arms down to the bed so that they wouldn't 465 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: rake the skin off of their body because it impacted Yeah, 466 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: it impacted their skin so badly. And you never know 467 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: how this stuff's going to manifest. But yeah, the history 468 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: of it is is absolutely, you know, just positively horrific. 469 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 2: Some of the things that they we need to know 470 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 2: about our suspect here too. Joe I was looking at 471 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 2: when she was on Shark Tank in Columbia, because we've 472 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 2: got the relationship with the married guy going for five 473 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 2: years ending in twenty twenty and his wife dying within 474 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 2: a year. And they think that she was poisoned twice 475 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 2: with thallium during that time. But it was in twenty 476 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 2: twenty one that Castro ends up on Shark Tank in Colombia. 477 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 2: She's an entrepreneur, business person. Okay, there's an electric car 478 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 2: sharing thing in Colombia that she's behind, and I mean, 479 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 2: she's well thought of in the business community. Apparently. I 480 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 2: assume she was a chef, owned a cafe or something. 481 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 2: That's what I assume when we started this whole thing. 482 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 2: And now we find out that, you know, she would 483 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 2: have been on Shark Tank at the time she was 484 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 2: poisoning her ex boyfriend's wife. Think about that. 485 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: I wonder how long she's been involved with electric cars. 486 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 2: Thallium. 487 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: Thallium. I'm wondering. I really, you know now that you 488 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: say that, you know, I know that lithium batteries are used, 489 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: you know, in those things. I'm assuming, but I really, 490 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: I really wonder, because you know, thallium is used first 491 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: off in medicine relative to nuclear medicine, and then it's 492 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: used also in optics like lenses and things like that, 493 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: but it's also used in electronics. Now that's a fascinating 494 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: sourcing possibility. I'm wondering, you know, if she's that involved 495 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: in it. I mean, man, she went on chart tank. Okay, 496 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,280 Speaker 1: not that that's the measure for everything, but I'm just saying, 497 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: you know, I wonder, I wonder if she is only 498 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: on the front end of this relative to you know, 499 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: like we're going to provide these cars so that people 500 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: can travel on more more interested in how it works, 501 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: the system works, or does it go back to a 502 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: manufacturing phase where she's around people where she could access 503 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: and stuff. 504 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,760 Speaker 2: Well, we do know that she was or is smart 505 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 2: enough to be able to get away from her nation, 506 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 2: to get away from enter Pol. She's able to get 507 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 2: away from everybody except the Thames. And I'm gonna be 508 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 2: honest with you. If you spell something th A M 509 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 2: E S and you call it Jim, there's something wrong 510 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 2: with you. You know that's not the right way is you 511 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 2: don't spell tams that way. The themes one time and 512 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 2: I went, I know you're wrong, but I don't want 513 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 2: to correct you. 514 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a cop of mistake. But yeah, she 515 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: you know, she she was evading Inner Poll and I'm 516 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: always a mate, you know, I'm thinking Jason Bourne here, 517 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: you know where you can, yeah, which I love the 518 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: whole Born series. But you know, she she went from 519 00:35:52,640 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 1: Columbia back in the thirteenth of April twenty twenty five. 520 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: She went from there to Argentina. From Argentina, she went 521 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: to Brazil. From Brazil, she landed in Spain and that's 522 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: how she made her way to the UK. And the 523 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: entire time she is evading Interpole. And I'm sure that there. 524 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: You know, it's not just Interpol itself. You know, they 525 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: send out on if you've ever seen an Interpol bulletin, 526 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: but they'll send it out to other like like the 527 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: Spanish government. Their law enforcement wing would have this in 528 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: addition to it being on Interpol's radar they had. And 529 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: just the fact that they've got an Interpole engaged in 530 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: this thing, the all seeing eye is gives you an 531 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: idea of how dangerous they think that she is, because 532 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: she's you know, potentially well, okay, I'll go in and 533 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: say it. She's potentially a mass murder and she's carrying 534 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: stuff with her. Did she get rid of it I have. 535 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: I have no idea, but I'm fascinated by the fact 536 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,959 Speaker 1: that she evaded for so long and traveled internationally through 537 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: all of these various ports of call, if you will, 538 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: until she's you know, found there floating, you know, floating 539 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: in the Thames. 540 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 2: Uh. 541 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 1: And I think that it was like a lifeboat service 542 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: or something that saw her. And you'll see these boats 543 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: just like screaming, you know, up and down the Thames, 544 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: and you can take high speed boat rides and all 545 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,280 Speaker 1: these sorts of things. But you know, she's found there. 546 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: The question is did she did she do this? Did 547 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: she do this in order to take her life, or 548 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: did she do this to maybe feign some kind of 549 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 1: mental illness. I think that she was actually put into 550 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: if I'm not and I think she was actually put 551 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: into some kind of treatment facility initially, wasn't she Dave? 552 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I was thinking they did that because you'd 553 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,479 Speaker 2: have to be insane or on drugs to jump into 554 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 2: the Thames. Yeah, six five in the morning on it, 555 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,800 Speaker 2: you know, in December, and yeah, brutal. 556 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: I mean just absolutely. You know, you're not going to 557 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: have a bunch of snow laying on the ground in London, 558 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: but it is cold. I've been as cold in London 559 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: as I've been anywhere in my life, and there's always 560 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: a chill in that river. Though I've never gone swimming 561 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: in it, and I don't plan on. It always looks 562 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 1: like it would be absolutely frigid. But here we are. 563 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: Here we are, and now she is going to be 564 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: held to account for what she has done. Are they 565 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: going to be able to prove either guilt or innocence? 566 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. But the path, the wake, if you will, 567 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: that she has left behind has far extended beyond the 568 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: banks of the Thames River in London. I'm Joseph Scott 569 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: Morgan and this is Bodybacks