1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to woka F Daily with 2 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Friends, 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: I'm really excited about today's episode of woke F and 4 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: it is because we haven't had the opportunity to unpack 5 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: all the latest legal news with our friend Glenn Kirshner, 6 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: and so I have put together a special thirty minute 7 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: in depth interview with Glenn to walk us through where 8 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: we are with regard to the Department of Justice. Finally 9 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: hearing murmurings from the ever so mute Merritt Garland that 10 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: he has finally decided or has been working behind the 11 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: scenes to hold those not just the foot soldiers, but 12 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: hold those that were the architects and they don'ts of 13 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: the insurrection that had the ability to make it happen. Right, 14 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: we have to understand that what we saw on January sixth, 15 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one wasn't just like your run of the 16 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: mill event. It wasn't just something that happened out of 17 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: the thin blue air. And I think that that is 18 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: what's really important about what we are hearing from federal 19 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: judges right who are saying that beyond a preponderance of 20 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: a doubt that there is criminal ongoings here between John Eastman, 21 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: donald Trump's attorney, and Donald Trump. And for those people 22 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: that were in a war room, folks, they had a 23 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: war room put together at the Willard Hotel. If you've 24 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: never been to Washington, DC, the Willard Hotel is right 25 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: by the White House, right. So these people were not 26 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: just down to the Ellipses to air their grievances about, 27 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: you know, their frustration that their man didn't win. They 28 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: were putting together a reconnaissance team ahead of time to 29 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: provide tours of the Capitol buildings so that the insurrectionist, 30 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: the foot soldiers knew exactly where to go. They put 31 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: together a PowerPoint presentation John Eastman laid out all of 32 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: the ways that we can overthrow the government. They had 33 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: a working war room where Rudy Giuliani and Steve Bannon 34 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: were present, right. They had people like the Oath Keepers 35 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: and the Proud Boys that had go team stationed across 36 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: the water in Virginia. In the event that they were 37 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: able to take over not only the Capitol building, but 38 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,279 Speaker 1: what we have learned through the over five hundred interviews 39 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: that had been done already by the how Select Committee 40 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: is that they had people in place, because the desire 41 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: wasn't just to take the Capitol building. It was to 42 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: take the house buildings, it was to take the Senate buildings. 43 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: It was essentially to turn Washington, d C. Into Ottawa, Canada. 44 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: And that was before Ottawa Canada actually happened. It was 45 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: to lay siege to the federal government, to shut it down, 46 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: to keep their king in place. So this was not 47 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: a pop up protest allah the Black Lives Matter movement 48 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: and the twenty twenty uprisings, that an incident then sparks 49 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: these protests that would then happen. No, And so for 50 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: Judge McFadden, the federal judge who says, well, these insurrectionists, 51 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: they're non violent, and so they should just get a 52 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: slap on the wrist and be sent home, what do 53 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: you think happens when you don't provide responsibility and accountability. 54 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: Then you have just shown people how much further they're 55 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: able to push, what else they're able to get away with. 56 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: And so if you do not make an example, and 57 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: I if I were a parent, that is how the 58 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: fuck I would parent? Right? You get but so much leash, 59 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 1: so much room, right, but there are you level set 60 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: on expectations, rules and order. That's what we believe the 61 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: Constitution to be. It was an agreed upon document that said, 62 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: this is how we are going to conduct ourselves in 63 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: these United States. This is what it means to form 64 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: a government for and by the people. Right, these are 65 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: agreed upon political norms and our laws. Donald Trump, over 66 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: the course of his four year reign, the reign of 67 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: disaster over the United States, broke every single political norm 68 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: that we ever knew or thought of. And then something 69 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: we didn't he ran roughshod over the Constitution. That's what 70 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: the fuck. He was probably crumbling up in his mouth 71 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: and swallowing, because you know that's normal behavior to eat paper. 72 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: So in this conversation that I have with Glenn for 73 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: the first time in god, what feels like the two 74 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: years that we have been in conversation about the fate 75 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: of our democracy and about the fate of our institutions. 76 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: For the first time ever, this actually felt like a 77 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: more dare I say it, folks, Dare I say hopeful 78 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: conversation where we feel like there is actual movement here. 79 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: But the thing that I'm still hung up on on 80 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: this good Monday The thing that I'm still hung up 81 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: on is the fact that we have a compromised Supreme 82 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: Court justice. We have a compromised Supreme Court justice. The 83 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: things that set America apart from other nations, from dictatorships, authoritarianism, 84 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: from fascism, from banana republics, from all of these makeshift right, 85 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: these makeshift governments, is the fact that we have a 86 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: rule of law and a code of conduct that we 87 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: all agree on. Right, Clarence Thomas with his decision not 88 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: to recuse himself from hearing the Trump case, with regard 89 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: to his records that the House Select Committee was asking 90 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: for him being the lone dissenter on that, and knowing 91 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: knowing that his wife was in communication with the White 92 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: House on the day of the insurrection. So having all 93 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: of that information, Glenn will tell us that even a 94 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: first year law student, and fuck it, I say, even 95 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: somebody that just binge watches the first season of Law 96 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: and Order would know what it means to recuse yourself 97 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: from a case because you do not want, particularly at 98 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court level, you do not want the appearance right, 99 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: the appearance that there is wrongdoing happening because you are 100 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: at the highest court of the land. So the fact 101 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: that we have a sitting Supreme Court justice whose wife 102 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: was at the insurrection and then she decided that, oh, 103 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: she needed a sweater. It was too chilly outside, so 104 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: she decided to leave right, oh, just in time. But 105 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: then make sure that she was on the horn the 106 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: whole time with the chief of staff. And now we 107 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: have four hundred and fifty seven minutes worth of tape 108 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: that we don't know where it is. And for those people, 109 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: I got to tell you something. So folks know that 110 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: I am new to TikTok, right because what I have discovered, 111 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: and this is something that you know if you are, 112 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: if you have a business or in business, and you're 113 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: a person of a certain age like I am, and 114 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: you're thinking to yourself, well, this platform isn't for me. 115 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: What I realize, with the seriousness that our democracy, that 116 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: our country is in right now, that I need to 117 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: find mediums wherever I need to disseminate information wherever people 118 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: are getting their information. So if that is a sixty 119 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: second fifteen second TikTok, if that is a forty five 120 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: minute podcast, if that is national television, you will see 121 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: me in all of those places and spaces because I 122 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: think that the times that we are living in are 123 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: so consequential. But somebody said to me on TikTok that, oh, well, 124 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: you know, Donald Trump was probably just using his cell phone, 125 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: so I don't understand the big deal. Let me tell 126 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: you something about these fucking maga apologists, Like this is 127 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: the thing that actually does want to keep me away 128 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: from social media because sometimes when I go through the 129 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: comments in places, particularly like TikTok, who don't know me 130 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: because I'm new to the platform, they say some wild shit. 131 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: And that's when I realized that Donald Trump was right, 132 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: that he could in fact shoot somebody in the middle 133 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: of Fifth Avenue and nothing would happen to him, that 134 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: he would probably gain supporters as opposed to losing them. 135 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: Because the way that these people will twist themselves into 136 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: fucking pretzels to come up with any explanation as to 137 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: why there would be no incoming or outgoing calls for 138 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: a four hundred and fifty seven minutes while the Capitol 139 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: Building is under siege is so fucking absurd that you 140 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: would have to detach yourself from reality in order for 141 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: that to even make sense, right, Like, it makes absolutely 142 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: none Nixon resigned because of eighteen minutes that were lost. 143 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: Donald Trump went rogue for a fucking work day. That 144 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: is warranting much more scrutiny than it's receiving right now 145 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: in the mainstream press. And I will continue to say 146 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: and call them out and be like, why is that? 147 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: Why is it that Hunter Biden's laptop still remains a 148 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: point of conversation, but four hundred and fifty seven missing 149 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: minutes from the White House doesn't. And it makes me 150 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: beg the question who was in cahoots with who? So 151 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: coming up next, Friends, my conversation with our friend Glenn Kirshner, 152 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: host of Justice Matters and MSNBC Legal analyst. Folks, it 153 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: has been a long time since we have had a 154 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: good conversation with our friend MSNBC Legal analysts and the 155 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: host of Justice Matters, Glenn Kirshner. On Glenn dare I say, 156 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: I think this episode, this segment maybe one that we 157 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: land on something good ish. A lot has transpired with 158 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: regard to the insurrection investigations the Department of Justice. Take 159 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: us through what has happened this week, because this week 160 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: has had my head on a swivel. As I'm sure 161 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: it has yours, but a lot has happened. So let's 162 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: start at the beginning. We have some movement, it seems, 163 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: from our friends at the Department of Justice. What have 164 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: you been hearing? Yeah, so rarely do we get to 165 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: say it's been a pretty good week for justice. Now, 166 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: it hasn't been all sunshine and rainbows. Right, we'll break 167 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: to the you know, some of the less optimistic stories. 168 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: But you know, there were some really block buster developments 169 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: reported first by the Washington Post, and there was a 170 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: follow up article in the New York Times. And what 171 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: we learned is that the Department of Justice is involved 172 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: in a criminal probe of matters and in ways we 173 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: knew nothing about. So, first of all, we learned that 174 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: they are criminally investigating the funders, the planners, and the 175 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: organizers of the insurrection, and most pointedly of the pre 176 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: insurrection pep rally on the Ellipse right at which Donald 177 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: Trump and company launched the attack. So what does that 178 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: tell us? It tells us they are absolutely working their 179 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: way up the command structure of the insurrection, and they're 180 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: doing it criminally. We need to remember the January sixth 181 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: Congressional Committee has been doing it all along, but they 182 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 1: can't bring criminal charges. The Department of Justice has been 183 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: investigating this criminally. Second big development is they've also expanded 184 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: their criminal probe into not just the fake electors, but 185 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: the Trump loyalists and lackeys who were pushing the fake 186 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: elector scheme to criminally overturn the elections results. So the 187 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: DOJ is getting after it. They're not just getting after 188 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: the foot soldiers of the insurrection, you know, the mopes 189 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: who actually broke into the Capitol. They're getting after the 190 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: command structure of the insurrection and other efforts, other avenues 191 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: that Trump and company used, like the fake electors to 192 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: try to undermine the elections results. And then this was 193 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: buried in the Washington Post article. But I actually think 194 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: it's the biggest revelation. They said that for the past 195 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: two months, and I wrote it down because I wanted 196 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: to quote it precisely. The Department of Justice has been 197 00:13:53,400 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: subpoenaing quote, officials informer President Trump's orbit, quoth what does 198 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: that tell us? For two months They've been issuing grand 199 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: jury subpoenas two officials that had been in Trump's orbit 200 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: when he was president, and Danielle we knew nothing about that. 201 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: It's true. And so you and I've been talking about this, 202 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: and I've said, where the hell is Merrit Garland? I 203 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: put his face on a milk carton. We've been screaming 204 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: about it. Why do we see no evidence that they're 205 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: criminally investigating. Well, now we know they have been, including 206 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: by issuing grand jury subpoenas, and we know nothing about it. 207 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: That gives me lots of optimism. That stuck has been 208 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: going on for quite some time, and you know, at 209 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: the bottom of it all, we shouldn't hear anything about it. 210 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: We often do because when they start issuing grand jury subpoenas, 211 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: we have leakers, liars and lawyers, you know, and the 212 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: liar piece I always use George Popadopolis, right, We subpoena 213 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: him and he goes into the grand jury and then 214 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: he steps to the cameras and lies like crazy about 215 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: what's going on in the grand jury. But that liar 216 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: reveals that there's a grand jury investigation. The lawyers, the 217 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: people who represent the witnesses who get subpoena to the 218 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: grand jury, because you know what, the criminal defense bar, 219 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: the white collar bar in DC, they all like to say, 220 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: I got the biggest client and they talk. So it's 221 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: the liars, it's the lawyers, and then it's the leakers. 222 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: Once an investigation, a grand jury investigation, is open, it 223 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: can leak out, and mind you, it can leak out 224 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: from the Department of Justice. It can be FBI agents 225 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: improperly leaking. It can be prosecutors improperly leaking. It can 226 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: be the staff of the Department of Justice one hundred 227 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: and ten thousand of them improperly leaking, leaking. Flyers and 228 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: lawyers usually end up revealing that there's a grand jury investigation. 229 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: Now we know there has been one for at least 230 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: a couple of months, and I'm betting longer and we 231 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: know nothing about it is very encouraging. So let me 232 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: ask you this, because you know, on this show we 233 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: have talked about grand juries. We've talked about the differences 234 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: in different types of sitting juries. Is there a difference 235 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: between a federal grand jury, right and what we have 236 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: seen and discussed with regard to the Manhattan District Attorney 237 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: before Alvin Bragg came into his position when Sidevance had 238 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: called a special grand jury. Is there any delineation between 239 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: these types of grand juries and what folks need to 240 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: understand if there are any differences to note. You know, 241 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: their jobs and their procedures and their goals are largely 242 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: the same. Federal grand jury will hear evidence in federal 243 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: cases involving federal crimes and violation of federal laws new 244 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: York state. They're exclusively restricted to what crimes may violate 245 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: New York state law, not federal law. Now, there are 246 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: some significant differences. Federal grand juries typically sit for about 247 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: eighteen months at a time, maybe one two, three days 248 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: a week, so they can hear long term investigations. Most 249 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: state grand juries sit for a much shorter period of time, 250 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: often four or six weeks, so they have to do 251 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: their work quickly, or they have to get special permission 252 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: from the court to impanel an extended grand jury like 253 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: they did in New York. And then there's a special 254 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: grand jury that was impaneled in Georgia to look into 255 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: Trump's selection crimes down there. So you know, they're large. 256 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: They're very similar bodies with similar goals. One is all 257 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: about federal law. One is all about the state law 258 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: in the state in which the grand jury sits. Okay, 259 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: so we have a couple of federal judges that have 260 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: been making some noise with regard to the case. The 261 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: first one that I want to discuss, but briefly, is McFadden, 262 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: who said that essentially he's a Trump appointee, has been 263 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: hearing some of the lower level insurrection cases and has 264 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: basically said these are non violent offenders, they shouldn't be 265 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: serving any time, and made the comparison between their involvement 266 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: in an attempt to overthrow the government and protests during 267 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 1: the Summer's uprising in twenty twenty. Can you speak to that, 268 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: and you know what we should take, what we should 269 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: glean from that insight that he provided with the several 270 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: quotes that he offered up. All right, I'm going to 271 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: take a deep breath, and I'm going to pause for 272 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: a second because I know Trevor McFadden from the days 273 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: he was at the US Attorney's office. I was discouraged 274 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: when I saw that he sat on some Trump litigation 275 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago for a period of time 276 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: that was inexplicable, that was negligent in my view, and 277 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: I began to have my questions even before, but certainly 278 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: as a result of that Trump litigation. He did not 279 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: seem to be handling in an expeditious manner. Now, when 280 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: I hear his criticism, it reinforces the fact that, unfortunately, 281 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: we are now left with asking the question who appointed 282 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: that judge? And when we hear it's Donald Trump, and 283 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: we know that Mitch McConnell crammed him and others down 284 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: America's throat. And these people are extreme ideologues, many of them, 285 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: many of them unqualified to serve according to the American 286 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: Bar Association rating. I don't know if McFadden falls into 287 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: that category. I don't believe he does. I don't think 288 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: the ABA rated him unqualified. But I don't have confidence 289 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: in Judge McFadden's fairness and independence. Unfortunately, but he's only 290 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: one judge, and there are hundreds of Federal Court judges, 291 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: and his view will be marginalized, It will be disregarded 292 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: by the other judges, and it will stand out like 293 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: a sore thumb as somebody who is out of the 294 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: mainstream in dealing with insurrection cases. Because here's the thing, Daniel, 295 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: there are so many cases. Every judge in federal court 296 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: is carrying a healthy dose of insurrection cases. So I'm troubled, 297 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: disappointed in McFadden. But I'm not surprised. Um, you did 298 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: a very good job, Glenn. I tried to remain as professional. 299 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: I don't know about what kind of imprints may be 300 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: on your tongue right now from mightn it, but you 301 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: did a very good job. So talk to us about 302 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: the other federal judge who is judge is it? Is 303 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: it Carter? David Carter? Carter, So David Carter, David Carter 304 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: also has been making some news. Tell us about this 305 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: because this is actually good news, and this is huge. 306 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: And I think at first, blush, we may not have 307 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: appreciated what Judge Carter found and ruled because we hear 308 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: so much about Donald Trump's crimes. It's like, oh, look, 309 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: another judge said, Donald Trump committed some crimes. Here's why 310 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: this is so important. Now. First of all, this was 311 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: in the context of treasonous lawyer John Eastman, who wrote 312 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: a memo how to overturn Democracy for fun and profit, 313 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: and then when he got caught, he said about his 314 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: own memo, and you can't make this up. Anybody who 315 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: took my memo seriously is quote crazy. So he was 316 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: bad mouthing his own legal memo. Why, because that's consciousness 317 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: of guilt because he got caught right, So then he 318 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: wanted to hide all of his emails and other written 319 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: communications from the J six Committee by claiming, oh no, 320 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: they all enjoy attorney client privilege with Donald Trump. And 321 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: he litigated that. And here's what federal judge in California, 322 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: David Carter said. First of all, you lose on seven 323 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: or eight different grounds your claim that these were protected 324 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: and can't be turned over to the J six Committee. 325 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: So turn them over. And one of the ways you 326 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: lose is by the application of a little thing called 327 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: the crime fraud exception. He found that there was, by 328 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: a preponderance of the evidence. I'll talk about how important 329 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: that is in a minute, by a preponderance of the 330 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: evidence that Donald Trump committed the crimes of obstructing the 331 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: official congressional preceding the vote certification. And he found, by 332 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: a preponderance of the evidence that Donald Trump and John 333 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: Eastman were in a conspiracy to commit offenses against the 334 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: United States. Now, when I say he found that by 335 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: a preponderance of the evidence, there are whole lots of 336 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: different evidentiary standards in the law, both civil and criminal. 337 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: A preponderance is simply more likely than not fifty one 338 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: that's the standard that applies to civil trials. A jury 339 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: has to decide by fifty one percent whether the defendant 340 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: wins or whether the plaintiff wins. Right, But in criminal trials, 341 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: we all know that to hold to convict somebody, you 342 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. That the granddaddy of 343 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: all burdens of proof, a very high standard. But here's 344 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: the thing. Judge Carter found that Donald Trump committed these 345 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: crimes by a preponderance of the evidence fifty one percent 346 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: more likely than not. The evidentiary standard, Danielle to indict 347 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: somebody for a crime is probable cause significantly below the 348 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: evidentiary standard that Judge Carter concluded was already met a 349 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: higher burden showing that Donald Trump committed crimes. So you 350 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: know when I saw that, like j you've got a 351 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: federal judge who said you have more than enough evidence 352 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: to indict Donald Trump for these crimes. And Danielle, what 353 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: did we get out of DJ? Like the next day 354 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: we got leaks that they've expanded their criminal investigation in 355 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: all these ways. I don't believe for a minute that 356 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: was a leak. I think that was what I would 357 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: call a covert press release. They let that they let 358 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: that come out because of the public clamor when a 359 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: federal judge has already concluded that there's more than enough 360 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: evidence to charge Donald Trump with a crime. So let 361 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: me ask you this, because I am a cynic and 362 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: everybody knows that, and I also understand pr and communications 363 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: because that's part of the work that I do. How 364 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: likely is it that this, you know, covert press release 365 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: on the part of the Department of Justice is just 366 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: to keep the peanut gallery happy enough, but it is 367 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: the perception of their being work done, but actual work, 368 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: actual indictments, we won't see. So what is the likelihood 369 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: that me, as a deep cynic, am wrong and that 370 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: we wouldn't hear or see any type of leak if 371 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: they weren't actually committed to seeing this through as opposed 372 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: to providing just crumbs to the public to shut us 373 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: all up. Yeah, so you're the cynic and I'm the 374 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: Pollyanna naive. One who shouldn't be naive after thirty years 375 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: is a fed But I don't think this was a 376 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: disinformation campaign by the Department of Justice, particularly because they 377 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: said the reporting was for more than two months. They've 378 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: they've been subpoenaing, using the grand jury subpoena power as 379 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: part of a criminal investigation to get evidence from former 380 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: officials Donald Trump's orbit. You can you know, listen if 381 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: it was like we're hard at work and we're expanding 382 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: our criminal probe, that's one thing. Boy, These were concrete 383 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: details about investigative steps that have been taken. I don't 384 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: think that's disinformation. Okay, So here we are now we 385 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: have it activated Department of Justice. Right, the Department of 386 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 1: Justice has woken up from its year plus slumber with 387 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: regard to the insurrection Donald Trump is. We can assume 388 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: that when we say Trump's orbit, donald Trump himself is 389 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: being investigated. Right. Judge Carter says, oh my god, Like 390 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: there is more than enough information to go through. Here. 391 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: We have the House Select Committee that has now asked 392 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: for subpoenas for Ivanka Trump, for Jenny Thomas, who I 393 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: want to get to next, and for others. If I 394 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: am in Donald Trump's circle, what am I feeling right 395 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: now after this week? Yeah, pressure bursts pipes. So they're 396 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: coming for Donald Trump's closest criminal associates, which may end 397 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: up being his family members as well, and they are 398 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: coming for Trump. I believe that everything we're learning puts 399 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: the truth to what Garland and Monco number two Lisa 400 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: Monico in the Department of Justice have been saying over 401 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: and over, and they feel like it's all they can say, 402 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: which is that we are going after everybody who committed 403 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: crimes at any level of government. They keep saying that 404 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 1: over and over, but we haven't seen any evidence of it. 405 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 1: So we are skeptical at best, disbelieving at worst. I 406 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: think we are now finding reasons to believe them. Here's 407 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: the one concern I continue to have. I always compare 408 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice to a big, old steamer ship. 409 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: It takes a very long time to gain steam and 410 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: momentum and begin moving in the direction of accountability. And 411 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 1: they're investigating this enormous criminal conspiracy, the biggest ever in 412 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: the history of our nation, and a conspiracy designed to 413 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: end our democracy in the way they would traditionally investigate 414 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: these enormous cases. And what I don't think they appreciate 415 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: is the urgency of the moment, with public safety at 416 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: risk and our democracy hanging in the ballots, which to 417 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: me suggests that maybe you should consider being on a 418 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: more accelerated track than you ordinarily would, because there's nothing 419 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: ordinary about this series of crimes. Got it okay? So 420 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: the Thomas is right. The only celebrity couple that should 421 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: have been in the news for the last week plus 422 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: should have been Clarence and Jenny Thomas. To remind folks, 423 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: it was discovered visa Viann interview that Jenny Thomas gave 424 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: that she was in fact at the precursor to the insurrection, 425 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: which was the stop the Steel rally on the Ellipses 426 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: on January six. Then she went home because it was 427 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: too cold out, because that's Jenny Thomas's version of I 428 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: didn't inhale, but go ahead, right, So she she goes home, 429 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: but then when she's home, she decides to die a 430 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: up Mark Meadows multiple times, apparently right on January six, 431 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: insurrection is happening. We have seven hours plus of phone 432 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: log records from the White House missing Glenn. So we've 433 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: accelerated from eighteen minutes in the age of Nixon to 434 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: an entire work day for Donald Trump to an entire 435 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: normal American work day is missing. But we know that 436 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: Jenny Thomas was on the horn to Mark Meadows, and 437 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: that Clarence Thomas was the loan dissenter, the loan dissenter 438 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: in providing the House Select Committee with access to the 439 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: phone logs because he said, Clarence Thomas, it was unnecessary. 440 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: Make this make sense that these people are not being investigated, 441 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: that they are still being politely asked. Jenny Thomas is 442 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: being politely asked to come and sit before the Select Committee, 443 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: and we don't have a bust open investigation and looking 444 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: at her phone records and Clarence Thomas phone records and 445 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: their financial records as it pertains to one six. Yeah, 446 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: this is some of the sort of deepest and most 447 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: troubling form of corruption and it really begins to make 448 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: us look like a banana republic. And you know, the 449 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: facts as we know them involve Jenny Thomas badgering, pressuring, 450 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: not that the pressure was not welcome, but pressuring Mark Meadows, 451 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,479 Speaker 1: the chief of staff of the President of the United States, 452 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: pressuring him to unconstitutionally overturn the results of a free 453 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: and fair presidential election, telling Mark Meadows to completely run 454 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: rough shot over the expressed views of the American voters. 455 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: And she did it. When you read some of her 456 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: texts she did it from a complete platform of lies. 457 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: One of the texts said, Mark, there are ballot fraudsters 458 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: right now being detained on barges off of Gitmo, preparing 459 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: to be tried by military terry tribunals for sedition. You 460 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: must and I'm going to take liberties with The message 461 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: was so you must overturn the elections results. That's not 462 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: just Q and on nonsense. Those are flat out provable lies. 463 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: So what does that provide? It provides corrupt intent for 464 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: Jinny Thomas, which makes her Danielle a spoke in the 465 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: wheel of the hubb and Spoke conspiracy. That is, the 466 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: conspiracy to overturn the election. So this is nothing to 467 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: play with now, people, Oh, it's this wife of a 468 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: sitting Supreme Court justice. So that's the third rail. We 469 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: can't grab hold of it. Well, there seemed to be 470 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: a lot of third rails and not a lot of 471 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: trains rolling down the tracks. She should be subpoenaed like 472 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: any mere mortal by the J six Committee. She should 473 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: be investigated criminally by the Department of Justice because she 474 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: is yet another, if not high government official, the spouse 475 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: of one of the highest government officials in our land, 476 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas, who is not only pressuring the White House 477 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: to criminally overturn the election, but who says in her text, 478 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: and I'm talking to my best friend about this. She 479 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: always uses the term best friend to describe her husband. Now, 480 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: what does Clarence Thomas do with this? Oh, dear Clarence. 481 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: Now listen, we are not our spouse's keeper, right, We 482 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:35,719 Speaker 1: are not necessarily accountable for everything our spouse chooses to 483 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: say or do so. But because she says I'm talking 484 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: to him about these things, mind you, Danielle, At the 485 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: same time Donald Trump is saying I'm going to take 486 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: the election fight to the Supreme Court, then a case 487 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: comes up for review whether Jenny Thomas's text messages, which 488 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: are part of the information that the National Archives has, 489 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: because Jinny and Mark Meadows are going hot and heavy 490 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: in the text exchange about overturning the election results, and 491 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: let me just add a footnote. When she throws all 492 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: that bs into the mix about why they should overturn 493 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: the election results because people are being detained on barges 494 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: outside of Gitmo, Mark Meadows doesn't say, miss Thomas, that's 495 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 1: you're that's true that I feel your pain. But that's 496 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: not a good reason. He just feeds into it and 497 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: accepts it, right the chief of staff. So now the 498 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: Supreme Court has asked whether Donald Trump should get to 499 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: hide all of those text messages from the J six 500 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: Committee and from the public by extension, or whether they 501 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: should all be turned over and revealed Thomas's wife's text messages. 502 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 1: Thomas absolutely has a conflict, a direct textbook conflict. He 503 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: cannot sit in judgment over a case involving his wife's 504 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: incriminating text messages, so he must recuse himself. But he doesn't, 505 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: and so that shows the Supreme Court cannot be trusted 506 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: to police itself. So then not only does he refuse 507 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: to remove himself from the case, as any first year 508 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: law student would tell you, is mandatory for an ethical judge, 509 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: he's the only of the nine justices who votes in 510 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: favor of taking that case, so inferentially he can bury 511 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: his wife's incriminating text messages. This is Banana Republic territory. 512 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: When you have a Supreme Court justice acting in a 513 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 1: case involving incriminating information about his wife, communicating it to 514 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,399 Speaker 1: the White House in a case that the White House 515 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: says we're gonna take up to the Supreme Court. This 516 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: is banana. Banana Republic's laugh at us. They're like, we 517 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 1: may be corrupt, but at least we ate the United States. 518 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: I mean, my god, Glenn, you do not need a 519 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: law degree to understand the corruption that is running. When 520 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,280 Speaker 1: they say there is something rotten in the state of Denmark, 521 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: they are talking about the US Supreme Court that is 522 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: supposed to be beyond reproach. And so given all of 523 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: this that we know, I am outdone by the silence 524 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 1: from Democrats. There are only a handful that are saying 525 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: that we need to be having an investigation into this. 526 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer got up on a pressor and said, oh, well, 527 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: you know, there should be some type of ethics rules 528 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: for the Supreme Court. And I'm saying, some type of 529 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: ethics rules, you'll put them in. Declarence Thomas is about 530 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: to overturn Roe v. Wade. You have all of these things, 531 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: these major cases that are coming up that are going 532 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: to affect the day to day lives of the American people, 533 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,959 Speaker 1: and we know that this man is corrupt. I just 534 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: I mean, if we had people in power who had sense, Glenn, 535 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: what would be the natural order that we would be 536 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:26,839 Speaker 1: taking once information, blockbuster bombshell information like this came to light, 537 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: anybody who cares about the legitimacy, the credibility of the 538 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: Supreme Court would conclude there has to be the opening 539 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:42,320 Speaker 1: of an impeachment inquiry by the Judiciary committee, whether House 540 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: or Senate. I don't pretend to know the sort of 541 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: little jurisdictional breakdown who takes the lead on what judiciary issues. 542 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: There needs to be an impeachment inquiry of Justice Clarence Thomas. 543 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I am. I got to tell you, and 544 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: I wrote a piece, you know, talking about how I 545 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,479 Speaker 1: believe that mainstream media is complicit in all of this 546 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: because it's not front page news, it is not a 547 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: one above the fold. And I'm telling you we were, 548 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: you know, back in Nixon days. We're talking about missing 549 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: eighteen minutes. We have ours, we have text messages, we 550 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 1: have spouses of sitting Supreme Court justice attending the precursor 551 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: to a violent attempt to overthrow the government. I don't 552 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,800 Speaker 1: understand how there is not an alarm that is ringing 553 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: and a sense of urgency that is beyond anything that 554 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: we have ever seen activated, right now in our Congress, 555 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: in our White House, I honestly don't get it, and 556 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: it can't be just oh well, we have fear if 557 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: what if the case, you know, the case isn't made. 558 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, if you're not making the case to the 559 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 1: American public at this point on these issues, how were 560 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: they to be trusted? Oh, Glenn Well, I thank you 561 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: so much for taking the time to join us and 562 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: run through. I mean, I'm happy, for the first time 563 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: we have good ish news, and I'm hoping that in 564 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: the coming weeks that we will uncover more that the 565 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 1: Department of Justice has been doing and get more insight 566 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,240 Speaker 1: into who is being targeted within Trump's orbit and who 567 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: they have subpoena because my hope is that we will 568 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: see something before we head to midterms in but a 569 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:48,320 Speaker 1: handful of months. Yeah, I feel like the accountability snowball 570 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 1: is beginning to gather some mass and some momentum, and 571 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: I think it's moving in the right direction. And even 572 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: DJ has apparently had enough and I think is beginning 573 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: to send signals that listen. I know y'all say every 574 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: day we're not doing anything. We are. We've been, in fact, 575 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,800 Speaker 1: using the Grand Jury to criminally investigate. Nobody's known about 576 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: it because we're not supposed to tell anybody about it. 577 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: But we are moving, still too slowly, but at least 578 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: I think we can credit that they're moving. Yeah, I 579 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,439 Speaker 1: appreciate you, Gonn. We will pick this up again next week. 580 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: Will happen. That is it for me here, Friends, as always, 581 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: Power to the people and to all the people. Power, 582 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke as fuck.