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Speaker 1: Hello, Oh wow, okay, it's definitely on now.

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Speaker 2: Hi. Hi, welcome to.

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Speaker 1: The Racket Magazine Live, first ever live podcast recording. Very

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Speaker 1: exciting and it's in London, which is nice. As you

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Speaker 1: can probably tell, I'm British, so I'm neither one of

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Speaker 1: the hosts. So my name is Roe, and very kindly,

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Speaker 1: Caitlin just said, please take the mic for a few

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Speaker 1: minutes and tell people what you do, because that's the.

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Speaker 2: Kind of woman she is.

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Speaker 1: So I run a women's sport platform called Slow, which

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Speaker 1: is actually for Super Tennis History Nerds, is named after

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Speaker 1: a tennis player, Lucy Diggs.

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Speaker 3: Slow.

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Speaker 1: Don't know if anyone knows her anyone, No, She's.

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Speaker 2: Little known but worth researching.

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Speaker 1: So that is why I called Slow Slow because she

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Speaker 1: first African American women to win a major sports title

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Speaker 1: just her side thing. And I started Slow one hundred

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Speaker 1: A lot of female athletes still do that and still

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Speaker 1: have full time jobs, and so that's what I started.

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Speaker 1: I started to try and kind of change change this

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Speaker 1: women's sports coverage that I wanted to read and see.

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Speaker 1: So you can find us online and we do a

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Speaker 2: And really the.

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Speaker 1: Very tenuous link here is that I think for me

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Speaker 1: And I've been here all day, been screening the Women's

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Speaker 1: we're all here for. So love to welcome to the stage.

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Speaker 1: Renee Stubbs and Caitlin Thompson.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Roal, thank you guys, thanks so much for

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Speaker 3: joining us on a Sunday in East London. How many

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Speaker 4: It's an hour. I just did it.

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Speaker 2: We're thrilled we're here, you're here.

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Speaker 3: We have some smaller tokens of our appreciation for you

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Speaker 3: guys being in the audience, and then to end the night,

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Speaker 3: we'll give you some more meaningful tokens of our appreciation,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you listen to our podcast, you realize that

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Speaker 3: Six members, so clear just a preview of that. Clear

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Speaker 4: But I think it doesn't have to be tomorrow. It's

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Speaker 3: Anyway, Okay, we'll make it work and we'll make it happen,

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Speaker 3: and six of you guys will be lucky. And before that,

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Speaker 3: let me count how many items of merch we have,

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Speaker 3: because I'm going to throw some things at you, guys.

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Speaker 2: I've got a tote, I've got some teas.

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna start with some trivia and I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: You throw the T shirt all the question.

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Speaker 3: Oh, the highest rated tennis match, which we're going to

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Speaker 3: Five five o'clock, five pm, Day one, Wimbledon's bars have broken.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty much like for Americans out there, it's like

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Speaker 3: You don't even taste them anymore. Just so smooth, gone down. Okay,

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Speaker 3: this is a very deep insider. How many of you

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Speaker 4: Love you guys, thank you so much, thank.

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Speaker 2: You so deep cut.

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Speaker 3: Whoever answers this question wins the shirt off my back,

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Speaker 2: Do you know what that phrase is?

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Speaker 4: There we go. We're gonna hashtag dick kicks.

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Speaker 4: It needs to be on a woman anyway, an FYI

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Speaker 4: No, people were telling me, fucking get your arsen to gear,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I always kind of figured it was pretend. No,

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Speaker 4: and no, none of that. It's just one that's spontaneous. Which, oh,

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Speaker 2: Zero chance that she plays. But do you think that's

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Speaker 4: You know, you become a track athlete, which is what

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Speaker 4: against Venus, and if you didn't go to the replay,

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Speaker 4: but she when she shakes hands with Venus, I just

444
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 4: I that moment where she literally and you.

445
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Speaker 2: Know, VIA's a presence. Okay, he's a presence.

446
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 4: And when you go and shake her hand, it's not

447
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,920
Speaker 4: like you want to piss her off, but to actually

448
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 4: grab her hand and pull her towards her and say,

449
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 4: I just want you to know you are the reason

450
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Speaker 4: I'm doing this. So I mean she took the opportunity

451
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Speaker 4: to actually say that to her at that moment, and

452
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Speaker 4: you know, Venus doesn't want to get into a conversation

453
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 4: they're like, oh, you're so cute. No, she wants to

454
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,159
Speaker 4: like kill her at that moment. But there was that

455
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Speaker 4: moment where you did see Venus turn into this you know,

456
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 4: amazing you know, hear about her ambassador, older sister mother

457
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 4: mentor moment where she she kind of stops herself for

458
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Speaker 4: a second and she smiled at Corey and she just

459
00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 4: kind of took it upon herself to be like wow,

460
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 4: like yeah cool. You know, she smiled, and it was

461
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 4: a really for me, it was a really beautiful moment

462
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 4: in the passing of the torch of these of this

463
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Speaker 4: you know, young generation of black tennis players that come

464
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Speaker 4: from the United States. So it was a really amazing I.

465
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Speaker 3: Think, you know, like Roe was saying, which is why

466
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Speaker 3: I asked to sort of, you know, introduce us and

467
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Speaker 3: sort of tie our worlds together. You know, it's about

468
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Speaker 3: making space and creating visibility, which is why you know,

469
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Speaker 3: as a person of color, as a woman, you know,

470
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Speaker 3: et cetera. You know, it's important to see it so

471
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Speaker 3: you can be it.

472
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Speaker 4: And she's the third generation of black young American players.

473
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 4: You know, you think about Madison Keys and Sloan Stevens,

474
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Speaker 4: and now we're getting the next generation of fifteen. I mean,

475
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Speaker 4: Sloan and Madison are in their mid twenties and now

476
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Speaker 4: you're getting these fifteen fifteen year olds that are coming along.

477
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Speaker 4: So you know, I really it's not It's very difficult

478
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Speaker 4: for Venus and Serena to look at it that way

479
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 4: because they want to still compete and they want to

480
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 4: still win. But their legacy is completely you know, cemented.

481
00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:00,399
Speaker 4: It's in cemented in gold with what we're seeing, particularly

482
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Speaker 4: in American tennis.

483
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Speaker 3: Let's talk about legacy a little bit. How many people

484
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Speaker 3: in this audience are English. I don't want to use

485
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Speaker 3: the wrong terminology.

486
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Speaker 2: British, British.

487
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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, great, it's all right, it's all right.

488
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Speaker 3: I mean at one point I was pining at you quibble,

489
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Speaker 3: but you didn't sound that British.

490
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Speaker 2: So I'm just like, Okay, maybe if.

491
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Speaker 3: I said English, she would have said, yes, she's just

492
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Speaker 3: Canadian kidding. Yeah. One of the most exciting things. How

493
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Speaker 3: many of you guys watched at all at all.

494
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Speaker 4: Andy and Serena, Yeah, amazing, right, I.

495
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Speaker 3: Mean, what an incredible moment. I had tears in my eyes.

496
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 4: Three times that she was crying watching the match. I'm like,

497
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:45,919
Speaker 4: you need to get a life therapy. We're watching a

498
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 4: movie the other day and I am a crier, like

499
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 4: I'll watch movies and anything sort of like meaningful. I'm like,

500
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Speaker 4: you know, I'm I'm right there on a plane like

501
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 4: embarrassing myself with my hand, you know, but this one

502
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 4: cries it like everything.

503
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Speaker 2: I was like, wow, you really have a problem.

504
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Speaker 3: I think I'm just in touch with my emotions.

505
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Speaker 4: Okay, Deck, all right, okay, but we want this is

506
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Speaker 4: a stick.

507
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 3: I have been sleeping on Renee's couch in Wimbledon because

508
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 3: it's really hard to get to Wimbledon. And we watched

509
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 3: a documentary called Knockdown the House I've been we guest

510
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 3: seen that. It's about the female wilemakers inspired to run

511
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 3: after Trump's election, and the one who breaks through out

512
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 3: of four is Alexandria.

513
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Speaker 2: She's a badass. Yeah, you know, I'm bawling from minute one,

514
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 2: which you know, come on.

515
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 4: Actually, Tap wants her wife to run for the mayor

516
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 4: of New York. But anyway, that's a whole different story.

517
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Speaker 4: But I just want to say something about Andy and Serena. So,

518
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 4: walking the I'm always on the grounds very early, and

519
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 4: I was walking to the media area and I see

520
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Speaker 4: Andy Murray come walking in, kind of shuffling in to

521
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Speaker 4: the courts.

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Speaker 2: No, no one's around, that's just how he walks.

523
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Speaker 4: And he's shuffling in and he's got looks like it

524
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 4: might have been pajama pants, but I think they might

525
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 4: be were track pants. And then he definitely had his

526
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Speaker 4: ugs on. He had ug slippers on.

527
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Speaker 2: Oh that's embarrassing.

528
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Speaker 4: And I'm like and I'm like, he's coming in and

529
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 4: I'm like, what are you doing?

530
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 2: Are you seriously what are they?

531
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Speaker 4: I go, are you in slippers?

532
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,479
Speaker 2: Were my exactly way? I go those slippers?

533
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 4: He goes yeah, he goes, I go, what are you doing?

534
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Speaker 4: He's like, I gotta go sign in for Mixed I

535
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 4: was like, that's amazing because every one of the doubles,

536
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 4: one of the Mixed Doubles players has to sign in.

537
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 4: You can't have your coach do it. One of the

538
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 4: players actually has to physically go and sign in. So

539
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Speaker 4: I said, well, we just found out what totem pole

540
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Speaker 4: you're on, which is the bottom in this gird? Your

541
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 4: ass is out of the house going to sign in.

542
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Beta, he's the beata. I mean nobody, he.

543
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Speaker 4: Said, I'm going to go sign in and then go

544
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Speaker 4: back and play with my kids. Because it was early.

545
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Speaker 4: It was like maybe nine eight thirty nine o'clock in

546
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Speaker 4: the morning. No one's around. But it was so I mean,

547
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Speaker 4: the irony that I happened to bump into him, which

548
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 4: was fantastic.

549
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Speaker 2: That's amazing.

550
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Speaker 4: He knows I'm going to tell the whole world, which

551
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 4: I did twice. I've told it now in here.

552
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Speaker 2: And I told them on ESPN the third time.

553
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Speaker 3: Here I am uh oh hello. I'm an Indy Mry

554
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Speaker 3: fan for a number of hiss but his support of

555
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 3: female athletes, his support of equality. He was famously asked Andy,

556
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Speaker 3: what does it feel like to be the first tennis

557
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: player to win two gold medals?

558
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: And what did he say?

559
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 3: Oh?

560
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: Boy, I believe that William's sisters did it first.

561
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Speaker 4: And you're just like I was having a bike, I've

562
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 4: had two drinks, like come.

563
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: On, yeah, and just you know.

564
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Speaker 3: The quick command of including women in his mind space

565
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: is just so inspiring and amazing. And you know, Serena

566
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Speaker 3: famously said, when faced with the news of Andy's potential retirement,

567
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Speaker 3: you know, obviously he's had his hip resurfaced.

568
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 2: It's unclear if he's going to.

569
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Speaker 3: Come back to playing singles, but at least we have

570
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Speaker 3: him in doubles, which is amazing. Australia did not look

571
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Speaker 3: like he was even going to come back, you know,

572
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 3: and so everyone was sort of doing the retirement tour,

573
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: you know, kind of obituaries about Andy's career and just honestly,

574
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Speaker 3: you know, what does it feel like to lose Andy Murray?

575
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Speaker 3: And you know it was hard. I mean, listen, I

576
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 3: know him personally, you know.

577
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 4: Really we've had Judy Murray on the podcast, who was fantastic,

578
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Speaker 4: and I love Judy. And the reason both Amy and

579
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 4: Andy because I don't want to forget about Jamie, but

580
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 4: that they are the way they are is because of

581
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Speaker 4: the way they've been raised and they are truly just

582
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Speaker 4: tow the nicest and he's my favorite, honestly. I mean,

583
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Speaker 4: I love Roger walks By always as low, he's always

584
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 4: so gracious, Raffa as well, but Andy was always the

585
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 4: guy that always had.

586
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Speaker 2: It is he there? Yeah, he's always so slow.

587
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 4: He always love.

588
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Speaker 3: You know, I you know, give physical physical comedian until

589
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Speaker 3: to night. No, you can't do like a just like

590
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Speaker 3: a butt pick or something. No.

591
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Speaker 4: Well no, I'm wearing a thong so I can't get

592
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 4: in it. Well you asked, no, listen. Raffa is a

593
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Speaker 4: great guy. He's very sweet, he's very kind, He's nice

594
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 4: to everybody. But Andy's the funniest of them all. I mean,

595
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 4: he's just he's kind, he's funny, he's self deprecating. You know,

596
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 4: he's a bit of a nightmare on the court, but

597
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 4: that's his personality.

598
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Speaker 2: I mean, was a nightmare on the court.

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Speaker 3: The microphone mark, who I know has a question. I'm

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00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 3: gonna also solicit one or two more questions from the

601
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Speaker 3: audience before we keep going, because we have a few

602
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 3: more topics we don't want to get to. But I

603
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 3: want to make sure our episodes where we have sort

604
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 3: of question and answers are our most popular.

605
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Speaker 6: I don't know why.

606
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: Maybe just people want to feel included.

607
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 3: Here's the place Mark, I believe you had a question,

608
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Speaker 3: Mark from Australia.

609
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: Everybody, do I have.

610
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 5: To ask a question first? Or do I get it

611
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 5: from the audience. Okay, can I do the dating app.

612
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 2: Question or no? Go ahead? That sounds interesting.

613
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 5: I hear that professional athletes have their own dating app.

614
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Speaker 5: Do you want to explain that a bit more?

615
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Speaker 4: Their dating app? No, they don't have their own dating app.

616
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 4: But there is a dating app called Rayah. So I

617
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 4: don't know if anyone's ever heard of that, But.

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Speaker 2: Has anyone heard of Raya?

619
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Speaker 4: Oh it's a couple. Are you on Riya?

620
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Speaker 3: Weill?

621
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Speaker 4: So Riya is like the Soho House of day being apps.

622
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 4: So you know, if you want to get into the

623
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 4: Soho House, for example, you have to have people that

624
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 4: allow you, they nominate you and whatever. It's bitwanky, but

625
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 4: you know, you've got to be artie and you've got

626
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 4: to have certain amount of Instagram followers and et cetera,

627
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 4: et cetera.

628
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: And so there are a number of tennis players on Riya.

629
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Speaker 3: Last year, this time last year, we were in Wimbledon

630
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Speaker 3: Village with our fashion correspondent Andrea Pekovitch, who at the

631
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Speaker 3: time was single.

632
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 4: Yes, you don't, like, you don't even know where I

633
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 4: had to think about that. What month was that?

634
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, she was like, and she turned on Riya

635
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 3: and it turns out the profiles you can set it

636
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: to location based sort of searching, and so I will.

637
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: I think it's worth a grounds to Wimbledon if anyone

638
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: can guess one of the.

639
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 4: Oh okay, one ground, okay, two grounds busses for you

640
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 4: and a friend.

641
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 3: Wow right courtesy of Stephan Graft for the Stephan Grass

642
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: courtesy of all right, okay, okay.

643
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: Courtesy of my Steffie's booklet of tickets.

644
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 3: All right, you will get his touch paper that Stepie

645
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: Graf has also touched and incidentally reor nice steps if

646
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: you guess one of the four tennis players that were

647
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: on Riyah last year looking for hookups in Wimbledon village.

648
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: Not curious, curious? Married?

649
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah but Fonani, yes, married to Flavia who will?

650
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 3: She should be a little more active in this. He's

651
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 3: such a piece of work, No flabio Fanini. He told

652
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 3: everyone that Wimbledon should be bombed. Well that's but that's

653
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: different to cheating on your wife. Also, he called an

654
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 3: umpire at the US Open a cocksucker whore and got

655
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Speaker 3: kicked out. I think is that the only time an

656
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 3: active singles tournament entrant has been kicked out of a

657
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: Grand Slam for dumb shit, they've said to an umpire,

658
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Speaker 3: I did not have to look. I'm not an expert,

659
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: but I'm pretty sure that's up there. It was some

660
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 3: good he was It wasn't great, okay, so but Greg okay,

661
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 3: So two men and two women. I know it's very obscure,

662
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: but go with us because this is probably gonna be

663
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: worth description anybody, not not Gugenie Bouchard was one of them.

664
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 3: You take it to you better come up and get them,

665
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: just so we don't forget, because I feel like everyone

666
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: will be like.

667
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 4: That's the criteria to get into Wimbledon.

668
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: Who's on, Riah? But I guess what's your name?

669
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 4: All right, I'll get your I'll get.

670
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 3: Your name, and we'll get your name or number, all right.

671
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: Uh So, to be clear, Riyah, from what I've seen,

672
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 3: I am a happily married mother of a five year old.

673
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: But from what I've seen, you cannot take a screen

674
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 3: grab of Riya. Your phone is David to give you

675
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: a warning, it's real experience thing. They kick you off

676
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 3: if you if you so, I've heard breaking in the

677
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: rules and instead of writing anything about yourself, your interests,

678
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: your hobbies, your sign.

679
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: It's just a photo, one photo that you've You've got

680
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: a whole story music that you pick us.

681
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: What you see is a song and a story, a

682
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: song and a picture. So Eugenie's was pictures. Sure, Eugenie's

683
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 3: was you know, and uh, what is that?

684
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: You know what that is? Everybody knows what that?

685
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 4: What are you smoking?

686
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: A badly dancing?

687
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: You know.

688
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 4: It's like she's in a beginning and they follow her

689
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 4: on Instagram they know.

690
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: So it's about what you'd expect. There was one American man,

691
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: no Jack Sock, he were giving tickets. No, no, okay, sorry,

692
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: oh my bad. I'll think about it. Maybe for the

693
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: maybe for the most obscure last one that we're gonna say.

694
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 3: So Jack Sock's on there like this.

695
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 4: Caitlin to serve everybody out there on podcast world is

696
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 4: showing some sort of white gangs.

697
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's embarrassing for everyone. And his song was Drake.

698
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: I think it was like started from the bottom and

699
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: you're just like this guy, come on, Jack Tawk.

700
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: I'll skip to the end. The most obscure but amazing

701
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: one was a Canadian looking forlorn pensive.

702
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 3: This is definitely for women. In scrous passes because it's

703
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: very it's gonna be hard to guess. And his song

704
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: sort of pensive outside of a balcony on a sort

705
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 3: of a European street, and his song was lady in

706
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: red brownich who guessed that please come up?

707
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: Because that is the.

708
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: Silliest, saddest, most insane thing to guess.

709
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: You just kind of feel for him.

710
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 3: You're like, I hope he gets a date because that's

711
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: that's he's lonely. He's lonely, and he's a Canadian and

712
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 3: he's I don't.

713
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: Know, he Caitlin feels sorry.

714
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: He's too earnest for this world, clearly because he's got lady.

715
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 4: Are we doing two? Two tickets?

716
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: I can't see who?

717
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 3: Oh?

718
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: Well, can you guys go together?

719
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 4: All right?

720
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: Can you? Does that split families and break heard?

721
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 3: No?

722
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: I can do six.

723
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: It's fine to to to give me your name and Brian,

724
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 3: you've got two and are the gentleman?

725
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: Wow? Okay, should we take one more audience.

726
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 4: Question or no more tickets left?

727
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying, but ask questions. Okay, one more more.

728
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 4: Shy ask whatever. You listen to our podcast, there's a

729
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 4: lot of bullshit that goes on.

730
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: M I have a question Title nine.

731
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 6: People over here don't appreciate what it is, and it

732
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 6: may be worth explaining it because what effect has it had.

733
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 6: The parents of both Madison Keys and Cocoa Gough both

734
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 6: parents were collegiate American collegiate athletes where the mothers were

735
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 6: serious athletes, and I have a feeling Title nine has

736
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 6: played a role. You know, most of these tennis players

737
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 6: have not gone to college, so it's not that necessarily,

738
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 6: but they're being raised by mothers that were athletes.

739
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: I'll leave that one to Caitlin because she's the smart one.

740
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 4: I'm just kidding.

741
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: It's because she's a Title nine baby. Actually I am

742
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: a great question.

743
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 4: So wait, wait, wait When we interviewed Billy, I just

744
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 4: need you to know that. Literally, as she is talking

745
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 4: about this again crying with Billy Jane, I'm like looking

746
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 4: at her like, are you kidding me right now? Billy,

747
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 4: of course, is.

748
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 3: Like, it's only the most important female go on symbol

749
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: and ambassador.

750
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: I did get weepy.

751
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 4: I know, no, it was great.

752
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: So Title nine, thank you.

753
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: A great question is a law that was passed in

754
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: the seventies that guarantees equals spending on men's and women's

755
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 3: sports in all schools.

756
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: But the most sort of notable.

757
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 3: Manifestation of that is equal spending in men's and women's athletics,

758
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: because prior to that, women basically had no representation in

759
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 3: sports budgets whatsoever and anything. Anybody who knows anything about

760
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 3: sports in America knows that the main sports that are

761
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: funded by collegiate athletics and paid for by very lucrative

762
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 3: broadcast rights are football, American football, and basketball, and American

763
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 3: football has about one hundred people per team. So to

764
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: achieve parody in spending, you need to fund a whole

765
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 3: lot of women's sports. And so all of a sudden

766
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: in the seventies and eighties there was a whole class

767
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: of people women really excuse me, engendered softball teams, soccer teams,

768
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 3: tennis teams, volleyball teams, basketball teams. Through this law, and interestingly,

769
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 3: Title nine has also sort of morphed and Renee's friend

770
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 3: and presidential candidate Kristin Jillibrand is actually very on the

771
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 3: forefront of this, using Title nine as a camp to

772
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: event campus sexual assault, because again it's a way to

773
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 3: sort of prosecute and safeguard the equality of.

774
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: Women as human beings.

775
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: Who knew that that was important on campuses, and so

776
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 3: it's a law that has been stretched to really sort

777
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: of fill a lot of gaps in our society. So

778
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: instead of just treating women equally, we have thankfully codification,

779
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 3: largely in part to Billy Jean King and the Original Nine,

780
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 3: who also founded that women's tennis Tour when Jack Kramer

781
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 3: don't celebrate Jack Kramer in those beautiful old Wilson rackets,

782
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 3: because he was the one, notably who kept them out

783
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 3: of the tour and told them they could keep making

784
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 3: twenty dollars per appearance. I'm exaggerating, but something along those lines.

785
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: Instead of being paid something close to what they were worth.

786
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 3: Billy Jean and the Original Nine broke off created the

787
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: Women's Tour, she Tests Fund in front of Congress, and

788
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 3: Title nine.

789
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: Became a thing.

790
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: The last thing I'll say about it, other than being

791
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 3: a personal beneficiary. Having had parents who didn't really know

792
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 3: to save money for.

793
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: College, so I handspeck to the therapy. Yeah, they were like,

794
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: you on, I go to college.

795
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: What? So I got a tennis scholarship and study journalism

796
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 3: And it was obviously sort of a change, a huge

797
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 3: stage breaker in my life personally, which is why I

798
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: feel so sort of impassioned by it.

799
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: But one of the things I was thinking about it,

800
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: I can tell I know you.

801
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 3: One of the things that I think is super interesting

802
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: about Title nine is we did a story in the

803
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: magazine last year about the Super Senior Tour. These are

804
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 3: people around the world who play competitively in the age

805
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: divisions of sixties, seventy eighty, and there are even a

806
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: few entrants who play in the nineties. And the story

807
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 3: we did focused on the women instead of the men,

808
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 3: just because there's fewer of them and you can kind

809
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 3: of get to know some of the characters. And the

810
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 3: most interesting detail from that story was the difference between

811
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 3: the fifties and sixties. As a matter of fact, there

812
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: was a single year that separated the levels and the

813
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 3: abilities of these women and how seriously they had sort

814
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 3: of trained and been taught in in this case tennis,

815
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: but sports generally, and it was the year that Title

816
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 3: nine was passed. There was a huge jump and skill

817
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: level because for the first time women were having access

818
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: to real coaches, real equipment, real locker rooms, and it

819
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: was profound and all of the women knew about it

820
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 3: and talked about it, and they even referred to themselves

821
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 3: as like, yeah, but she was a title nine kid,

822
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 3: so like, look how good she is. She's winning this tournament.

823
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 3: And so it was just sort of you know, activism

824
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 3: and action in a way that was really sort of

825
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: both for me personal but also sort of it was

826
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: you know, born out in what you could see. And

827
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 3: so for me telling the story of Title nine meeting

828
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: Billy Jean crying kind of for name.

829
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 4: Weping, weping, It wasn't weeping, it was weeping.

830
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: It was one of the things I had to pull

831
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 2: you together.

832
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 3: She was like, get your shit head of your ass

833
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: and ask the question. But basically she told me to

834
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 3: buck up and not celebrate her because there was lots

835
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: of work left to be done.

836
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: So that was the spirit in which I sort of

837
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: take that question. So thank you. But also, yeah, like

838
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 2: making laws on books is important.

839
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 4: I don't know if a tall nine the impact on

840
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 4: tennis professionally, I think it's more at the WTA founding

841
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 4: was really the Bennet. Again, again, Billy was so prevalent

842
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 4: in that and making that happen.

843
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't you think coaches and sort of the end.

844
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: It's certainly possible in that respect, in a border, in

845
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 4: a broader picture, and the parents, there's no question about that.

846
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, we're very lucky that we had

847
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 4: someone as amazing as Billy Jean that stood up and

848
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 4: really and one of the things I want to tell

849
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: you about Billy is that, you know, if you noticed

850
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 4: in the podcast what we did with her when she weld,

851
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 4: you know, I asked all the stupid questions and I said, well,

852
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 4: how how well, how did it come about that? Elton

853
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 4: John wrote the song Philadelphia Freedom was for Billy Jean

854
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 4: King and a lot of people don't know that.

855
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 2: But when he said I'm going to write.

856
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 4: A song about you, let's call it Philadelphia Freedoms because

857
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 4: that was the name of her World Team tennis team

858
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 4: that she was playing on. And Billy didn't react like, oh,

859
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 4: how cool, I'm so amazing You're writing song for me.

860
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 4: Billy said, what a great gift to give to the

861
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 4: people of Philadelphia, you know, And I just and I

862
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 4: literally saw her yesterday and I don't know, we got

863
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 4: onto another subject about somebody else yesterday and I said,

864
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 4: you know, Billy, she said, I just wish they would

865
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 4: she would be a little bit kinder with the things

866
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 4: that she says, etcetera, etcetera. And it was someone near

867
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 4: pretty well known, and I said, Billy, that's a difference

868
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 4: between you and her is that you are just a

869
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 4: genuinely good human being. And I said, and I told

870
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 4: her that story about the Philadelphia Freedoms. And I said,

871
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 4: that's when I knew that about you, because I know

872
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 4: Billy very well.

873
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 2: But I said, that's moments like that that I realized

874
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: that that's why you are the way you are.

875
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 4: It was always the game title nine, women's equality. Everything

876
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 4: about you know LGBTQ, right, everything about Billy is for

877
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 4: the betterment of everybody else and not herself.

878
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 3: So yeah, she's our sheiro And she's also been known

879
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: to throw eggs off of the balcony. Yeah, but she

880
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: said she couldn't remember that, so I don't know.

881
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: I know about that.

882
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 3: It was a good story at the time, it was

883
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: a good story. Mary Carilla told the story. I think

884
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: we had one more question, and then I think we

885
00:40:59,239 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 3: have Is that true?

886
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: Did we you better? You better still have your question,

887
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: hopefully remember it.

888
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 7: I guess Wim Wooden has always been you know, I

889
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 7: guess the key sort of a venue where people sort

890
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 7: of focus on tennis fashion and.

891
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 2: We need a Yeah, I've kind of gotted that, and

892
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: here today she decided to go on a vacation. So

893
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: you can blame her for that. Okay, shame, but I guess.

894
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 7: For I guess if if your name doesn't start with

895
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 7: s in in arena, most of tennis fashion these days

896
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 7: doesn't necessarily seem to be that memorable.

897
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: So I want to know what do you think.

898
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 7: Tennis, the tennis world can do to create some more,

899
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 7: you know, memorable fashion moments.

900
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 4: Like Anne White's one piece, one piece suit at Wimbledon.

901
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 2: Tiny shorts. Tiny.

902
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 3: Oh.

903
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 4: I've said that I want the guys to go back

904
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 4: to tiny shorts.

905
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 3: Fucking sure, gay men women would love that, it, would

906
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 3: love it.

907
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: Their legs are incredible. Listen, you like to wears.

908
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 3: I do. It's a It's been called vulgar and inappropriate,

909
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: but that's Fred Perrys today.

910
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, tiny shorts is my answer.

911
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: I completely agree with you. Tennis fashion is quite boring

912
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 3: and I would like to see anybody, really, but especially

913
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: the men, in very, very very tiny shorts. I was

914
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 3: at the Fred Perry headquarters two days ago and they

915
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 3: were showing us the original line after sort of Fred

916
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: had sort of passed the torch and it became a

917
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 3: fashion brand, and they were like, this might be a

918
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 3: two American reference, Daisy Dukes.

919
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: Does that sound yeah?

920
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 4: We got, we got, we got Dukes of hazard great.

921
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 2: Just making sure that I'm being remember they were they

922
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 2: looked like they would chafe.

923
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: But I think the tiny, tiny shorts is certainly what

924
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 3: I would sort of recommend.

925
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: And I also feel like, you know, Wimbledon did not

926
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 2: always have the color restrictions that it has now. It

927
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 2: got you look more conservative.

928
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 4: But the Pat Cash, you know, headband that he wore

929
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 4: back in the day and that he's sort of still

930
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 4: pumped away.

931
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 5: With now.

932
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: You know, it's out there.

933
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 4: He walked into Wimbledon the other day with a backpack

934
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 4: on and on the bottom of it was his trademark.

935
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 4: He's like, that's what I'm saying.

936
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: It's fine.

937
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 4: But if if in today's day and age, that would

938
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 4: not be allowed at Wimbledon, that headbang would not be

939
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 4: allowed if you look back at the years of you know,

940
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 4: Boris winning, talk about weepy.

941
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: She saw Boris the other day.

942
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 4: I took a photo with her and Boris and I

943
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 4: got one photo because I thought it was a great

944
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 4: picture already and I was like, I don't need any more,

945
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 4: and then we got it into the Yeah, so I

946
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 4: just said she was stoned by the end of the night.

947
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 4: That's it.

948
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: That basically, I happen to be. No, But there was

949
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: so much color on the players back in the day.

950
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 4: So I don't know where the analness came from with Wimbledon,

951
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 4: because you know, even it got to the point where

952
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 4: your swoosh was too big, it was color on your shoes.

953
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 4: It was like, you know, obviously remember the famous pants

954
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 4: that Venus wore that year. That was just like, wow,

955
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 4: what's going on under the skirts?

956
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 3: Didn't you tell me a story about you getting wearing

957
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 3: non white tennis undies or something like that? Was that

958
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: something I hallucinated? Somebody had to go run back to

959
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 3: the locker room because they had a sports bar or

960
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 3: some sort of under thing.

961
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if it was, but it was.

962
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 4: Even I always appinted by the rules, but no, but yeah,

963
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 4: it just got it got to the point where it

964
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 4: got ridiculous.

965
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous now.

966
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I see ashbody has the little tiny stripes now,

967
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 4: and I was thinking, is that too much?

968
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: You know?

969
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 4: So, yeah, it's got I don't know. I mean when

970
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 4: it comes to fashion in tennis.

971
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 3: I'm ready to make some bold pronouncements though on the

972
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 3: back of my shorts, my calling for short shorts, tiny shorts.

973
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 2: I want to see return to more natural fabrics. I

974
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 2: think performance where is boring.

975
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 4: I mean that like linen, like linen, sure, yeah, I

976
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 4: mean if you have to change linen when it's sweats.

977
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I sweat and linen. I'm a very sweaty person.

978
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: You've already established I have. Yeah, But my point is

979
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: natural fabric, like the original peak polos. The problem with

980
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 3: tennis clothes is you can't wear them off the court

981
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: and back again. And I think that we should all

982
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: be embracing a look that's a little bit more, you know,

983
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 3: from the streets to the courts to the boudoir.

984
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 4: And that to me would be that's why you have

985
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 4: your magazine because you can put all that in there.

986
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 4: Why don't you write a story about that next next edition?

987
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 2: Great, this is how we get all of our great ideas.

988
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: Right.

989
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 4: That's a great question. But I think that you know,

990
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 4: you know, Nike and added Us and all of them.

991
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 4: They're always trying to sort of think they're pushing the envelope,

992
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 4: but really they don't.

993
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

994
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 4: I mean it's crazy, okay if you do have a

995
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 4: few players like Venus and et cetera.

996
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: Trying to do their own lines as well, we should

997
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 3: talk before we go because we have time and two

998
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 3: more tickets.

999
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: Is that true? Oh no, I already gave them out

1000
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: because ye have no more prizes. You guys might as

1001
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: well leave right now.

1002
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 4: I want to talk a little bit about a situation

1003
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 4: in Australia that happened last week when Ash Barty got

1004
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 4: put onto an outer court and as world number one

1005
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 4: French Open champion. But you know you're having to deal

1006
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 4: with seven time world and champions and the English flavor

1007
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 4: like tomorrow contes on the court against a two time

1008
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 4: champion and Covet on center court and ashes again on

1009
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 4: court two. But Australia Channel seven decided to show Kirios's

1010
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 4: match his first round against Jordan Thompson over Ash Barty.

1011
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 4: And I do some crosses for Channel seven. Still at

1012
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 4: explain what a cross is? So when I'm doing at

1013
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 4: ten twenty at night, I do across to our morning

1014
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 4: program so in the US the Today Show or whatever,

1015
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 4: and here all right anyway, so I do my thing,

1016
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 4: and it's all been about ash Barty, ash Barty, ash Barty,

1017
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 4: ash Barty, ash Bardy, can't say it enough, world number

1018
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 4: one and America first body ash Barty. And then all

1019
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 4: of a sudden, you know, the first day of play

1020
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 4: that she goes out into the court and we're just

1021
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 4: we've been talking about her for three four days NonStop.

1022
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 4: And then Nick Kurios is on at the same time,

1023
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 4: and Channel seven chose to go with the five set

1024
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 4: match with Jordan Thompson, who was another austrain and there

1025
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 4: was a lot of people in Australia that were pissed

1026
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 4: off that ash Buddy wasn't getting sort of like she

1027
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 4: wasn't the one on TV getting her due. Then the

1028
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 4: numbers came out for Channel seven on that match, in

1029
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 4: particular a round one Jordan Thompson, who's not really well

1030
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 4: known in Australia playing against Nick Curios.

1031
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: It's all because it's Nick.

1032
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 4: It had the most numbers that Channel seven had from

1033
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 4: the last year's men's final.

1034
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: So people got up to watch.

1035
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 4: At the crack of crack at like three or four

1036
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning in Australia. That's just crack of crackers,

1037
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 4: like really early in the morning. With more people watched

1038
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 4: Nick Kurrios's match than the men's final last year at Wimbledon.

1039
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 4: So that's the problem that you face as a producer

1040
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 4: and a network is that he brings in numbers.

1041
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: And the reason he does is because he's he's nicked quick.

1042
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: Paul, before we go on about Nick Curious and I

1043
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: think we have time for one more question than they're

1044
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 3: going to kick us out of here. How many of

1045
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: you guys like Nick curious but round of a sort

1046
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 3: of plaus meter because I can't really see hims.

1047
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well a lot of in the front.

1048
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 3: And then how many people are like, do you that

1049
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: a scraze D'artanna's he should be kicked out?

1050
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: Wow? Okay, this is what we're dealing with.

1051
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 4: So and we do have this conversation in our production

1052
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 4: meetings for television when we do talk about Nick and

1053
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 4: every producer, which.

1054
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 3: Just for maybe the uninitiated, Ni Curious twenty five bad

1055
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 3: boy of Australia, he's got a lot of savings into

1056
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 3: his bas not as many anymore.

1057
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: I'm into it, but I'm just saying he's known for

1058
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: you know, and I will say I will tell you guys.

1059
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 4: Nick was actually going to come here tonight, but he

1060
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 4: ended up flying home because he lost his mixed doubles

1061
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 4: the other day. Nick does those things. He does, step

1062
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 4: out of his combasign. He does things for you know, friends,

1063
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 4: other journalists. You know, he's he's here children, charities for children.

1064
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 4: He's a very mixed bag of chocolates fruit. I was

1065
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 4: gonna say, but I don't know.

1066
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, you eat the crack of crack. I'm pretty sure

1067
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 3: I like Nick.

1068
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 4: When you get in one on one.

1069
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: He's actually very endearing.

1070
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 4: He's very shy, but he has this bipolar personality when

1071
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 4: he gets on the tennis court. He doesn't love the sport.

1072
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 4: He I think he has a fear of failure and

1073
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 4: I think that stops him a lot. But he brings

1074
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 4: in numbers. You guys, like, you cannot just you cannot

1075
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 4: take your eyes off Nick curious when he's playing a match.

1076
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: And that match the other day with Raffia and Nadar

1077
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: was just it was unbelievable.

1078
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 4: I mean, he tried, he really tried and he not

1079
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 4: a particularly big lover of Rafa as you can, as

1080
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 4: you know from things that he said in the press,

1081
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 4: and he really tried, and you saw how good he

1082
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 4: could be if he can put it all together. I

1083
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 4: just don't know how much he wants it. I don't

1084
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 4: know how much he wants to be that guy every week.

1085
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 4: But we should have, you know, without the antics. I've

1086
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 4: said to him, I don't care what you do on

1087
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 4: the tennis court. Just try all the time. And if

1088
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 4: you're not going to try, I have a problem with that.

1089
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 4: That's the only thing I don't care about. The antiques, throwing,

1090
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 4: the throwing, the chair on the cord and the ball,

1091
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 4: the stands and the carrying on like fan in Miami,

1092
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 4: like that stuff doesn't truly I mean I kind of

1093
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 4: cringe sometimes, but it doesn't really bother me. I mean,

1094
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 4: I was a hothead and a nightmare in the court

1095
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 4: as well. Shut up and we'll take this outside. But

1096
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 4: you know, I can understand the sort of juxtaposition of

1097
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 4: where he is mentally on the court sometimes, But you know,

1098
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 4: I think underneath he's just a bit lost sometimes and

1099
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 4: we need him in the sport. We just hope that

1100
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 4: he stays in the sport for a lot longer, and

1101
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 4: he can get himself together.

1102
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 3: Because I just want to add something because I think,

1103
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 3: you know, when you talk about his ratings and you

1104
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 3: talk about why certain people, not everyone, but certain people

1105
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 3: in this room are obviously super excited about him. What

1106
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 3: I like about him and what I am so excited

1107
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 3: by as somebody who sort of sits adjacent to the

1108
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 3: tennis world but not totally in it. Having this independent

1109
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 3: magazine is just the idea that what he does and

1110
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 3: how he plays and how he sort of treats the

1111
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,439
Speaker 3: hallowed ritual of the sport as something like the sort

1112
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 3: of silly and sometimes arbitrary thing that it is, feels

1113
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 3: and looks a lot like other sports.

1114
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: He makes a ton of sense.

1115
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 4: He would like to do his own clothing line, for example.

1116
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 4: You know, he'd love to have basketball clothes out there.

1117
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 3: Stuff. He makes sense as a basketball player, He makes

1118
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 3: sense as a footballer, he makes sense as a as

1119
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 3: a hockey player. Because he's truly somebody who you know, uh,

1120
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: sort of likes the jawing, likes the kind of shit talking,

1121
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: but also you know, is tremendous a gifted.

1122
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 4: I can tell you I saw him the next day

1123
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 4: and he was not happy that they lost that match.

1124
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 4: He really really wanted to win badly, And I mean,

1125
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 4: you know the conversation in the press conference about you know,

1126
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 4: did you why didn't.

1127
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 2: You say sorry?

1128
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 4: He's like, why would I say sorry? It didn't even

1129
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 4: hit him. It didn't hit him.

1130
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: If you look at the replay, it actually hit Ruff

1131
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 2: as racket.

1132
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 7: He was just.

1133
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 4: I would imagine too, when a ball comes at you

1134
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 4: that hard, it is very scary. As a player. You

1135
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 4: don't see it come at you that often. And Nick

1136
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 4: can produce a ball like that. It's just insane. It's insane.

1137
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 4: It's like a rocket. So you know, it's sort of

1138
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 4: jarring to you, and you kind of expect someone to

1139
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 4: just go sorry. But he's not going to get a

1140
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 4: sorry from Rough from Nick in that moment. So that's

1141
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 4: why he was so ticked off. In the postmatch interview,

1142
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 4: he's like, why would I say sorry? The guy's got

1143
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 4: a million dollars, millions and billions and millions of dollars

1144
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 4: in the bank, he's got eighteen grand slams. Why am

1145
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 4: I feeling sorry for him?

1146
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 3: So I think the only thing he did wrong was

1147
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 3: not going up and following up with like you ever

1148
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 3: been to peg City? You have? Now?

1149
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: I mean that's like that's you wanted him to say that.

1150
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 4: But you know, if you look at the handshake, Rauffa

1151
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 4: was way saltier in the handshake.

1152
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: What did it look like?

1153
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 4: Nick actually went in to give him a little bit

1154
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 4: more love, but Rafa was not having it. But you

1155
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 4: know what, I that's exactly what it was, just an

1156
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 4: ignorance of us. But you know what I loved about that?

1157
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 4: I said that was seriously mana oh mano that match?

1158
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 4: It was it was old school. It was like Connor's

1159
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 4: playing you know, not John. It was like Connor's I guess.

1160
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 4: It was like Connor's and Macnroe and some yeah, and

1161
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 4: you know, Borg and McEnroe. It was just two different

1162
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 4: personalities and I love that. I wish Tennis was more

1163
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 4: like that. I wish we had more personalities that weren't

1164
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 4: afraid to show it.

1165
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 3: Last question and then we're getting the up signal. Mark

1166
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 3: is on the microphone.

1167
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: He can ask Gosspy questions as well. You know, I

1168
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 2: really yeah, yeah, yeah.

1169
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 8: Well I'm not prepared for that. So what do you

1170
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 8: think of Tomic being fined? His first round win ins.

1171
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 8: I mean, did he not come through qualifying any way?

1172
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 4: Another polarizing Australian.

1173
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: Don't we love them? Another polarizing question as.

1174
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 4: Well, because some people are like, look, he played the

1175
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 4: three sets, he didn't give it his best. He might

1176
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 4: consider that that was just the best that he could

1177
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 4: do that day.

1178
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: Okay, time out.

1179
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 3: Bernie Tomic tremendously talented, very he was fining his entire

1180
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 3: first round prize money for not giving not giving a.

1181
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 4: Tanking, not giving a good enough effort in.

1182
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 2: His find fifty six thousand pounds. I don't think it's

1183
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 2: that much.

1184
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 4: I think it's in the forties forty five thousand pounds

1185
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 4: in maybe fifty six thousand dollars, which is a lot

1186
00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 4: of money.

1187
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean again it's the same thing. I

1188
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 2: just try. Just look like you're trying.

1189
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 4: If you if you're losing a three set match in

1190
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 4: under an hour, that's there's some problems there. And this

1191
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 4: is the second time now that he's done that here

1192
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 4: at Wimbledon, So the eyes are on him and he

1193
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 4: has to understand that.

1194
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 2: He has to understand the eyes.

1195
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 4: Are on him.

1196
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 2: So you know, here's my question, why does he keep

1197
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: turning up. I don't know. Do you think it's money?

1198
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: Do you think it's just you know, it was a

1199
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 2: tough draw. I will say that, but I don't know.

1200
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 2: I don't know why these guys do what they do.

1201
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: I really don't.

1202
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 4: I mean, it's nothing that I can even remotely think about.

1203
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 4: I mean, if anyone ever saw me play, there was

1204
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 4: never a point that wasn't that I didn't try for,

1205
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, as crazy as I was, the

1206
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 4: sport meant more to me when he meant more to me.

1207
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 3: You know.

1208
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 4: So I don't understand how the mentality of these guys

1209
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 4: sometimes is. And I don't know if it's just I

1210
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 4: don't know. I'm not a psychologist.

1211
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: I don't get it.

1212
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 4: I don't get it.

1213
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take this to my therapist and see what

1214
00:54:58,440 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 2: do you think?

1215
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 4: Can you ask him about because I don't want to

1216
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 4: pay him.

1217
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 3: He's yeah, it's near your prices.

1218
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: I want to ask answer that question.

1219
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 3: And then the question was how do we get people

1220
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 3: to sort of participate in the podcast?

1221
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 2: And I think Rene's rolodex, her credibility, her.

1222
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 3: Friendships, her relationships on the tour speaks to themselves because

1223
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 3: I think She's somebody who tells it straight and is

1224
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 3: fun and jovial and invite invites a sort of wide

1225
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 3: range of players and thinkers and athletes, and that's a

1226
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 3: total asset.

1227
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: I also think I.

1228
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 4: Tackle them, I give them a drink, and I say,

1229
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 4: if you don't do this, I'm gonna do that's terrible

1230
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 4: things to you.

1231
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 3: But I also think, and this ties into what we're

1232
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 3: trying to do with the magazine as well, which is,

1233
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 3: you know, I think the truest gift you can sort

1234
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 3: of give anybody is to see them and to sort

1235
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 3: of acknowledge who they are. And maybe it's positive or

1236
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 3: maybe it's negative, but I truly think that there's some

1237
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 3: you know, uh, privilege and sort of interesting empathy that

1238
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 3: comes with trying to truly understand people. And I think

1239
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 3: athletes are often, especially in the tennis space, are not

1240
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 3: often very well educated. Some of them are very very

1241
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 3: smart and very worldly, and some of them are very

1242
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 3: self aware, but they're not often given a platform to

1243
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 3: be understood in any sort of meaningful way. And if

1244
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 3: you go into the press room at one of these tournaments,

1245
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 3: it'll fucking depress you, because these are people who don't

1246
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 3: leave their desks.

1247
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 2: There are people who are filing on deadline.

1248
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 3: Some of them are great, most of them are just ossified, bored,

1249
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 3: sort of antagonistic headline clickbait writers, And truly it's depressing

1250
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 3: in there because the sport deserves better. And you know,

1251
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 3: that's no small reason that we started a magazine that

1252
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 3: sort of challenges the notions of what storytelling in tennis is.

1253
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 3: But I think what attracts subjects is obviously the idea

1254
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 3: of having fun and having a real relaxed conversation. But

1255
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: it's something we talk about all the time, which is

1256
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 3: and this is true of the magazine in its pages

1257
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 3: as well. We're really trying to truly see people for

1258
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 3: who they are, tell the stories. Some of them are famous,

1259
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 3: some of them are head cases. Ben wil Peir is

1260
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 3: one of my favorite stories that we've done because he's

1261
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 3: fucking lunatic.

1262
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: But that's interesting.

1263
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 3: Farder for digestion and the tomic question that nic curious

1264
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 3: interest all sort of speaks to the same thing, which is,

1265
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 3: these are people who do spectacular things with their body

1266
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 3: on a regular basis, and it's incredibly entertaining way, but

1267
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 3: they're very fragile, interesting confused multitudes containing human beings.

1268
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 4: And I think that to me is so I'll answer

1269
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 4: this a little less education English and say my goal

1270
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 4: when I do postmatch interviews, which I've done for a

1271
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 4: number of years now, and I see people in the

1272
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 4: in the locker room, I know these players. I see

1273
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 4: them in the locker room. I know what they're going through.

1274
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 4: I've had conversations with them about their life. They're upsoit

1275
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 4: the downs, their depressing moments, the hard times, the times

1276
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 4: that they've cried.

1277
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 2: Why they're crying.

1278
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 4: Could be a boyfriend, could be a girlfriend, could be parents,

1279
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 4: could be anything that they go through in their lives.

1280
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 4: And I think that what you see is then play tennis.

1281
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 4: You see that one and a half minute postmatch interview

1282
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 4: that I may do with them or whoever does with them,

1283
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 4: and you think you know them right, You're like you

1284
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 4: pull for them or you hate them, and it's the

1285
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 4: way they are on the court. And it's like so

1286
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 4: many players that you probably hate are the probably the

1287
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 4: best people that you don't know. And it could be

1288
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 4: the ones that you love the biggest assholes. And I

1289
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 4: can tell you many of them, not tonight. But my

1290
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 4: goal was and when I talked to Caitlin about doing

1291
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 4: this podcast is that? And I too do honestly say

1292
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 4: this to them when I do talk to them about

1293
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 4: wanting to do the podcast. It's forty five minutes to

1294
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 4: an hour of your life or less, whatever you want

1295
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 4: it to be. Tell people your story, let them know

1296
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 4: the little things about you that they'll never know about

1297
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 4: watching you play tennis and doing a one minute clip

1298
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 4: on a TV that you know gets edited, like you

1299
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 4: cannot imagine from ESPN. You can do a ten to

1300
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 4: fifteen minute and it was somebody and it's amazing, and

1301
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 4: you'll hear thirty seconds of it on a broad a

1302
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 4: broadcast and the narrative is from the editor, the music

1303
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 4: whatever it's not from the player. So my goal with

1304
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 4: them is I want them to hear.

1305
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 3: You know.

1306
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 4: The sam Stows are one, for example, like the story

1307
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 4: that she told. It gave me goosebumps when she said

1308
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 4: about Serena, When Serena clapped that one shot at the

1309
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 4: US Open, and she said it calmed her so much

1310
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 4: that she was able to focus and refocus on playing

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Speaker 4: the match. She said, I didn't care about the crowd

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Speaker 4: yelling and screaming and booing at me. But when I

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Speaker 4: looked and I saw Serena clapped me, I knew that

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Speaker 4: she wasn't mad at me. And I said, literally, when

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Speaker 4: she told that story, I got goosebumps. I'm like, oh

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Speaker 4: my god, because she said, I've never really told that

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Speaker 4: story to anybody. And so those are the moments that

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Speaker 4: I want these players to tell me when they and

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Speaker 4: asked when they're doing the podcast, because you would not

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Speaker 4: I didn't know that. I know Sam really well and

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Speaker 4: she'd never told me that story. She never told me

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Speaker 4: the story about I want to be a party puopert tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: So it's like, and if you haven't listened to that

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Speaker 4: episode of Sam's, it's really really good because those are

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Speaker 4: the stories we want people to understand.

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Speaker 2: These people.

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Speaker 4: They're athletes, you love them, you hate them, but they're

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Speaker 4: human and maybe this part of them that you actually

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Speaker 4: go that's like me, you know. So they're human and

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Speaker 4: they go through really tough times. And so my goal

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Speaker 4: is to actually make them be what I see in

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Speaker 4: the locker room or when I see them as a

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Speaker 4: normal people, which you don't get to see, which is

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Speaker 4: what I want you to see. I want you to

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Speaker 4: hear it and I want you to see it. So

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Speaker 4: that's that's always my goal.

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Speaker 2: When I do when we do these, and on occasion

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Speaker 2: we let them drink, we do Pam.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well I will tell you Pam Shreiver's podcast

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Speaker 4: got edited big time, mainly because she called me the

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Speaker 4: next day and she's like, hey, Stuvesy, you know that

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Speaker 4: story I told you about so and so.

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Speaker 2: Can you cut that out?

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Speaker 4: And I's like, damn it, yes, because we do tell them,

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Speaker 4: we do edit it, and so if you we Caitlin

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Speaker 4: I do the talking, she does the editing, thank god.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so.

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Speaker 3: Amazing tip of we have bloopers. Yeah, it's amazing. That

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Speaker 3: should actually probably blackmail her, so don't releast it's a

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Speaker 3: good one. Anyway, you'll have to take your ord for it.

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Speaker 3: We have to wrap this up, you guys, Thank you,

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Speaker 3: thank you.

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Speaker 4: So much for.

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for the questions. And if you happen to

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Speaker 3: be at Wimbledon, uh in the next couple of days.

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Speaker 3: I'll be there tomorrow. Renee is here through the fortnite,

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Speaker 3: she'll be there every day. Right, Thank you guys, thank

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Speaker 3: you again, thank you, And.

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Speaker 2: That's it for this episode.

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Speaker 4: Of the Racket Magazine podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. Our host is Renee Stubbs. Our co

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Speaker 2: host and producer is me Caitlin Thompson.

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Speaker 3: Music by internationally renowned DJ Stretch Armstrong.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to Tim Or Jerry and then the team at ACAST.

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Speaker 3: Find us at racketmag dot com, slash podcast, and subscribe

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Speaker 3: to us at any of your favorite podcatchers