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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Wednesday, September tenth, and.

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Speaker 3: It is a very sad day.

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Speaker 2: As we come on the air, the murderer of Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 2: the conservative activist, remains at large, and one of the

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Speaker 2: three teens in the school shooting today has just been

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Speaker 2: reported that he has died. So as we come on

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Speaker 2: the air, this show is changing real time. Our hearts

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Speaker 2: go out to the families of everyone affected today in

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Speaker 2: the many tragedies that we'll be covering. Joining us will

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Speaker 2: be Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert and.

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Speaker 3: Of course, host of the hit podcast body Bags.

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Speaker 2: No better to have anyone in a moment of tough

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Speaker 2: times than Joseph. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here of course, with

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong, and we are here to unpack all of it.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to hear from you eight eight eight three

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Speaker 2: thoughts and feelings are welcome. We know this is an

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Speaker 2: emotional time and again our hearts are really with the

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Speaker 2: families of anyone affected in today's shooting, and of course

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Speaker 2: with those who have now been lost, and just with everybody.

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Speaker 2: It is, Stephanie, it's a hard day. It's a hard

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Speaker 2: day to process all of this news that has been

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Speaker 2: coming at us. So Charlie Kirk, as you mentioned, he

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Speaker 2: was the founder of the conservative organization Turning Point USA.

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Speaker 2: And Charlie Kirk was fatally shot while speaking at an

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Speaker 2: outdoor event. This was at Utah Valley University in Orum, Utah.

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk was only thirty one years old, leaves behind

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Speaker 2: a wife and two very young children, and this gunshot

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Speaker 2: again this was at an outdoor speaking event and attendees

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Speaker 2: we're running Charlie Kirk collapsed. Authorities responded very swiftly and

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Speaker 2: as of right now, the suspected shooter is not in custody.

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Speaker 2: Earlier a person was taken into custody, but FBI Director

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Speaker 2: So again, in this moment, the story is evolving. Details

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Speaker 2: can and likely will change, and we'll be updating you

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Speaker 2: as they come in. And again, this is a very

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Speaker 2: violent person someone it remains at large, So everybody in

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Speaker 2: that area please be diligent about all things. Joseph, we

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Speaker 2: know that nobody can speak to any of this stuff.

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Speaker 3: Better. Sorry that it's under tough circumstances.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very dark day. You know, we've got school shooting

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Speaker 2: I think we're going to check the audio. Joseph was

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Speaker 2: we're working on that, just a few more details in

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Speaker 2: what happened with Charlie Kirk today at around twelve ten

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Speaker 2: pm that's local time. He was delivering remarks at an

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Speaker 3: Who you know many of us have I will say

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Speaker 3: sadly have seen because this I wish we hadn't.

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Speaker 2: Why is everybody able to see this man lose his life.

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Speaker 2: It's very triggering for so many. I've never actually seen

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Speaker 2: And I can't believe we're all seeing it so freely

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Speaker 3: How is that possible? Is that okay?

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's okay? Is the very simple I mean,

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Speaker 2: There's a reason we don't watch snuff movies is because

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Speaker 4: Sorry, So yeah, this is what I can kind of

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Speaker 4: I'm glad you guys brought this up. This is key.

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Speaker 4: I don't encourage anybody out there to go and watch

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Speaker 3: Please don't.

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Speaker 4: these are human beings that are dying. And again with this,

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Speaker 4: So who did this would know how to access those locations?

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Speaker 2: Wow, and again someone sharing their beliefs. You know, there

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Speaker 2: It didn't seem as though that was his style. So

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Speaker 2: you know, that puts somebody in a very vulnerable position

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Speaker 2: and it's just too much.

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Speaker 3: It is just too much.

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Speaker 3: This is not the way. No violence, and yeah, it

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Speaker 2: So unfortunately, I think we should probably turn our attention

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Speaker 6: Hi ladies, Ali from Orlando. I'm calling about the episode

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, and we have another talk back, all right, this

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Speaker 9: Close enough, High ladies, Amy from Ohio, I absolutely love

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Speaker 2: he's so if I figure him out.

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Speaker 5: I think you mean the Riddler from Batman. Oh yeah, actually, Edward.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's what I live.

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Speaker 7: At.

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Speaker 2: The smartest crew in the business. Thank you for the correction.

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Speaker 2: So right, it's like a that's where I remember it

443
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Speaker 2: from kind of, I mean I half remembered it from it.

444
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Speaker 2: But so it's a confusing it's not exactly a compliment.

445
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Speaker 2: It's just your mysterious you're kind of brooding boy who

446
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Speaker 2: didn't love that guy?

447
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Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, I mean puzzle.

448
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have an idea. Here's a bottomless pit I

449
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Speaker 2: could took all of my energy.

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Speaker 3: In exactly exactly. Yeah, yeah, no, it's so true. Okay,

451
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Speaker 3: so that is.

452
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Speaker 2: But again, that's a strange chase use of words, and

453
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Speaker 2: it's so astute because it had been used so many

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Speaker 2: times before.

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Speaker 5: So several times. It looks like you did it.

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Speaker 10: Surviving at the top of nineteen ninety Richive, Oh, no,

457
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Speaker 10: Dan Rather an enigma than in his twenty fifteen primary campaign,

458
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Speaker 10: he referred to Ben Carson as an enigma to me twice,

459
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Speaker 10: so he said it several times, Dan.

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Speaker 3: Rather, I find puzzling.

461
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Speaker 2: He seems so sort of like salt of the earth,

462
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Speaker 2: Dan Rather and not it is mysterious, possible, like I've

463
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Speaker 2: never used that word in my life, like I have

464
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Speaker 2: never I don't even know how to say it correctly,

465
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Speaker 2: so I have never used that word.

466
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Speaker 3: So it's not like a common word.

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Speaker 2: No, no, although people will will often say, like the

468
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Speaker 2: Mona Lisa, she's got an enigmatic smile, like you don't

469
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Speaker 2: know what's doing behind that little smile.

470
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Speaker 3: There's that's fair. That is fair.

471
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Speaker 2: She's giving like a little like happy, sad, little like

472
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Speaker 2: clever and curious and brooding all at the same time.

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Speaker 2: It's an enigma like Carson or Dan Rather say, okay.

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Speaker 3: We all needed that collective.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that was to rate deep energy, so fabulous.

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Speaker 3: Do we have one more talkback?

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Speaker 5: We can get in great, we can get one more

478
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Speaker 5: in there?

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Speaker 9: Hi everyone, Sorry Amy from Ohio Again, I have lots

480
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Speaker 9: of opinions. Twice one day, Heley Maxwellish charged twice with

481
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Speaker 9: perjury in twenty sixteen. Speaker of the House Mike Johnson

482
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Speaker 9: has said she's a known liar. Sometimes it's Aukham's razor.

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Speaker 9: And if you watch a clip from Jasmine Crockett last

484
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Speaker 9: night on CNN where she goes through everything that would

485
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Speaker 9: have had to happen for that letter to be a plant,

486
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Speaker 9: it would be quite an elaborate and likely unsuccessful plan.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, and it's so true by Johnson did say that

488
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Speaker 2: it is one hundred percent accurate. Wow, Aukham's razor and enigmas,

489
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Speaker 2: you gotcabular, you got like.

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Speaker 3: This cab and psychological understanding. I love it. That is

491
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Speaker 3: so true. What's your favorite word that I can ever say? Court?

492
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Speaker 3: What's the one you?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

494
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Speaker 3: Megalomaniacalia. Yes, it's a good.

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Speaker 10: One to tell that a talkback person to please be

496
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Speaker 10: careful driving while leading talkbacks, because it sounds like they

497
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Speaker 10: were doing two things at once. So careful Amy, that's fair.

498
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Speaker 2: I'm going to give Amy the benefit of the doubt

499
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Speaker 2: that she was a passenger. Yeah, so switching gears a

500
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Speaker 2: little bit. We're just trying to figure out how can

501
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Speaker 2: we add some control to our own lives, certainly during

502
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Speaker 2: what seems like tumultuous times, right, people keep saying this, Oh,

503
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 2: this is the breaking point. There's a breaking point, and

504
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Speaker 2: I disagree. I think it's a healing point. And we

505
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: have to be healing each other and with each other.

506
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Speaker 2: And you know, it takes a community in a village,

507
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Speaker 2: and we have hours. So let's all huddle up and

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Speaker 2: welcome Professor John ck So. Professor John, he would prefer

509
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Speaker 2: us to call him John, So John first and foremost,

510
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. He's been advising law enforcement throughout

511
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Speaker 2: the world on essentially how to keep ourselves safe. Right,

512
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: so we figured, listen, we can't keep ourselves in the

513
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Speaker 2: world at all costs, obviously, and today's developments are you know,

514
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: those are wild cards and we're just going to put

515
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Speaker 2: those aside for a second. But in our everyday regular life,

516
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Speaker 2: just says regular civilians and Americans trying to get through it.

517
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. And I know you have some

518
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Speaker 2: really extraordinary tips that will will help us all feel

519
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Speaker 2: a little empowered.

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Speaker 7: Well, bedeed, thank you for asking me to join you.

521
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Speaker 7: I hope I have some useful news.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so I would love to know what in the

523
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Speaker 2: most simple terms, How would you describe to people's situational

524
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Speaker 2: prime time prevention?

525
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Speaker 3: What does it mean and why is it so effective?

526
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Speaker 4: Right?

527
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Speaker 7: Well, the basic way of thinking about it is, instead

528
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Speaker 7: of trying to change why people commit crimes, let's say

529
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Speaker 7: improving parenting or rehabilitating offenders, which are fine. Uh, they

530
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Speaker 7: take a long time and their effectiveness is somewhat weak. Uh,

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Speaker 7: Situational crime prevention focuses on immediate circumstances, and particularly the

532
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Speaker 7: circumstances are we call situations that influence whether a potential

533
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Speaker 7: offender believes the crime will work. Uh. There's considerable research

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Speaker 7: showing that offenders that they go into a particular place

535
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Speaker 7: and they don't perceive it as being useful for their

536
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Speaker 7: crime just don't commit crimes. So they go into another

537
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Speaker 7: place and it looks really tempting. Uh, then they're likely

538
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Speaker 7: to do things that you don't like.

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Speaker 2: So what makes it look what would make something look tempting?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So it really depends on the kind of crime

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Speaker 7: you're talking about. So probably one of the most common

542
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Speaker 7: crimes out there is theft from automobile and if typical

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Speaker 7: offender would be wandering through an area, they expect people

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Speaker 7: to be somewhat careless. They are glancing at the cars

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Speaker 7: and they see something in the back seat, they're not

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Speaker 7: certain what they try the door. If the door is locked,

547
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Speaker 7: they might just move on. It depends on how many

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Speaker 7: other people around other things. But if there's if they

549
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Speaker 7: have the ability to break the window, they might do

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Speaker 7: that too. So just the thing in the back seat

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Speaker 7: being visible might be enough. But certainly locked, keeping the

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Speaker 7: door locked, keeping the car empty, That very simple thing

553
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Speaker 7: changes that cars situation from being tempting to being not

554
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Speaker 7: interesting in the least.

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Speaker 2: I put a little blanket. I have a little blanket

556
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Speaker 2: in my car. You could have put like you cover.

557
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Speaker 3: Up your stuff.

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Speaker 7: That that that works, And I use that kind of

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Speaker 7: thing often if I can't keep things out of it.

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Speaker 7: But my preference is that there's really nothing visible except

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Speaker 7: maybe a piece of paper or a blanket, uh, in

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Speaker 7: the in the car itself, UH, phone cords, all of

563
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Speaker 7: that kind of stuff I try and keep away, UH

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Speaker 7: keep out of it. And uh that that seems to

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Speaker 7: to help. It's not perfect, but it does seem to help.

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Speaker 7: It can't help.

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Speaker 10: Can I jump in and ask, like what about I've

568
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Speaker 10: heard mixed things about what about parking in a well

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Speaker 10: lit area, like does that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've heard you should always park in a

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Speaker 2: well lit area.

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Speaker 5: I would assume, but I think John you said something

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Speaker 5: real different.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's sort of there. There's no one answer there.

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Speaker 7: So from the offender's point of view, you'd think that

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Speaker 7: the well lit area would deter them because they're more visible.

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Speaker 7: On the other hand, they need light too, write they

578
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Speaker 7: need to be able to so that it helps them.

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Speaker 7: So there's that trade off there and depends on and

580
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Speaker 7: really are there other likely to be other people looking?

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Speaker 7: And if not, then light's probably not going to help

582
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Speaker 7: that much.

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Speaker 3: What about a personal safety.

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Speaker 7: Well that's the other thing is if you're going back

585
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Speaker 7: to your car and it's dark, would you rather be

586
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 7: the car in the dark or in the light? My

587
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 7: preferences rather risk the offender looking into the car than

588
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Speaker 7: to be wandering back to my car in the dark,

589
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Speaker 7: So I stay.

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Speaker 3: In the light. Let's just call it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to call for good parenting and the light.

592
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Speaker 2: So and then the next one, if you're can I

593
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Speaker 2: can I run one by you see if I'm right?

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Speaker 2: A water bottle like hiring, you know those really heavy

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Speaker 2: water bottles that have like a good grip. If you

596
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Speaker 2: have one of those and you have to use it

597
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Speaker 2: as a weapon and pilates chop someone like that is

598
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Speaker 2: dangerous stuff.

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Speaker 3: Right, Like you should always have a water bottle on

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Speaker 3: your hand.

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Speaker 7: Well, uh, better be a good wonder. You should know

602
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Speaker 7: what you're doing with it. I think stepping back from that,

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Speaker 7: the problemly the biggest thing is just being aware of

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Speaker 7: what's going on, uh, and having a sense of what's

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00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 7: around you, projecting essentially in an aura of I know

606
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Speaker 7: what I'm doing. Then if you need to use that

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00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 7: water bottle, you're prepared, right, But if you're listening to

608
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Speaker 7: your phone, you're you know, you've got ear plugs in,

609
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Speaker 7: you're distracted by other stuff. That water bottle is not

610
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Speaker 7: going to be so much help. I'll come too late.

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Speaker 2: So looking down while you're walking and the you know,

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Speaker 2: walking to your car with your head down on your phone,

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Speaker 2: I mean, who doesn't do that? Earbuds in. No, you've

614
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Speaker 2: got to have your keys out. You're ready to rumble.

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Speaker 2: This is like efficient walking, not too many bags. You

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Speaker 2: have your keys out, you have your water bottle in

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Speaker 2: your your eyes are straight ahead, earphones are off. You

618
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: are on a mission. For success and aware of all

619
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Speaker 2: of your surroundings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a question.

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Speaker 7: Charge you're in charge of the you know verse. I

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Speaker 7: mean you exact you again, it's not it's not a

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Speaker 7: perfect solution, but the offend. Most offenders are not that aggressive,

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Speaker 7: they're not that demanding. This is not like a joker

625
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Speaker 7: in Batman. Uh. You know, they're not going to want

626
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Speaker 7: to go after somebody who is looks like they're together

627
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Speaker 7: and could become become a problem, so they they'll back off.

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Speaker 2: So that is that is great to know. I want

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Speaker 2: to say for anyone listening who has any specific whether

630
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Speaker 2: it's sort of personal safety, auto safety, or home safety,

631
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Speaker 2: give us a call because we have John Eck here

632
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Speaker 2: for crime Prevention to answer your questions. Read eight at

633
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Speaker 2: eight to three to one crime and it looks like

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Speaker 2: Stephanie's raising her hand.

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Speaker 3: I have a question.

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Speaker 2: So I have always been told and I feel like

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Speaker 2: I've only learned this by working in true crime that

638
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: no matter what, if you can and somebody comes up

639
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 2: and tries to get you in a moving vehicle, that

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Speaker 2: you fight to the death and get as loud as

641
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Speaker 2: you can because.

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Speaker 3: They do not want to get in the vehicle. Like

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Speaker 3: if it were.

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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you're like, oh, and then you get

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Speaker 2: in the car, and I think your chances of survival

646
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: go down fifty percent if in fact you get in

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Speaker 2: the car.

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Speaker 3: So you want to.

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Speaker 2: Fight and you want to get loud and bite and

650
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Speaker 2: just be a maniac.

651
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Speaker 3: Is that accurate?

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Speaker 7: I would tend to agree agree with that. Ten to

653
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Speaker 7: agree with that. I'm a short old person. So don't worry.

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Speaker 3: I'll we'll get you. We got you. We'll come right

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Speaker 3: in with a water bottle, and we got this covered,

656
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Speaker 3: by the way. Also another tip, those.

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Speaker 2: Big flashlights that you get when you're you know, those

658
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Speaker 2: police officer grade type flash lights, by the way, everybody

659
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: should have those, you know, in the home because of

660
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: an emergency you got for a bit of blackout, and

661
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: they're very sturdy and they hold a battery life for

662
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: a long time.

663
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 3: Also very heavy. Good to have that in your car.

664
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: Or you can walk around everywhere with a flashlight.

665
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 5: Flashlight no matter where I'm going. If i might be

666
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 5: a party, but I've got my flashlight to be ready.

667
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 3: It sounds a little much. I guess that's a bit much.

668
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 3: I have another question about homes.

669
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 7: There might be a laptop out there that you can

670
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 7: use as a weapon.

671
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the laptop Charlie's Angel style.

672
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can.

673
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 5: See that, Courtney.

674
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 2: What we're going to say so with Holmes, Because there's

675
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 2: so much rampant crime of people, even porch pirrating, you know,

676
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 2: when people come and take the ever never ending Amazon

677
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: boxes that are so pervasive everywhere. How much of a deterrent,

678
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: if at all, are dogs, especially if there's multiple And

679
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: does does size matter when it comes to dogs?

680
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: I know the answer here.

681
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, I doubt dogs are much ha for porch pirting.

682
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 7: Listed dogs are outside because they won't care packages on

683
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 7: the outside the dogs on the inside.

684
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 5: Uh.

685
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 7: The the extent that the porch pirate thinks there's someone

686
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 7: in the home owned the inside and the dogs a

687
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 7: learning them, that might be a little benefit. But if

688
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 7: they don't think anyone is there except the dog, is

689
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 7: probably no help. But uh, certainly uh. In terms of

690
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 7: break ins, having a dog with a loud voice, uh

691
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 7: uh is good. I used to have a Corgian. It

692
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 7: was like a very short dog. But if you didn't

693
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 7: see the dog, you thought you were dealing with a wolf.

694
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 7: It was a very big voice.

695
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 3: Courtney.

696
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: Remember we talked, we we heard tapes of several sexual

697
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: predators that were doing home invasions, and one of the

698
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: things that they all had in common. This is a

699
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: very unfun fact, but I thought it was interesting and

700
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: seems to apply, is these predators who were basically scouting

701
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: in neighborhoods looking for the next victim that they were

702
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: just going to sexually assault.

703
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 3: And crime through their window.

704
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: They would have certain criteria and things that would keep

705
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: them away. In small dogs specifically or like a total

706
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: non starter because they're just so crazy loud and you know,

707
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: get at your legs and your ankors and like, oh

708
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: my gosh, good luck trying to catch it, and wild card,

709
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: and then in general just dogs, like they would either

710
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 2: try to feed a dog like a bone or something

711
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 2: and or would just probably say, eh, I'll go to

712
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: the next house.

713
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 5: I was interested.

714
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well it's basically it's again that most offenders, even

715
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 7: these predators you were just talking about, are not that determined. Uh,

716
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 7: so small things can keep them away, you know, just

717
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 7: a dog barking or other things that suggest that there's

718
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 7: going to be too much disruption here, I can't carry

719
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 7: out my routine.

720
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 10: You could also have a sign beware of you know,

721
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 10: the dog Joe, leave a bowl out in front or

722
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 10: something that can.

723
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 2: Makes it another good point for home invasions to bowl

724
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: outside and big heavy boots, lots of boots.

725
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 10: Oh that's true, Like there are multiple pieces.

726
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: Yes, this is this is I got this down, but

727
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 3: it's a.

728
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 7: Very it's a very important point you're making here, though,

729
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 7: is that the situational prevention has to be visible or

730
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 7: detectable by the offender. It's it's secret, right, they don't know.

731
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 7: So a camera that's hidden is not going to be

732
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 7: much of a current because they don't know it. Uh,

733
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 7: A silent dog may not be much of a deturent,

734
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 7: but something that warns them in advance. I don't want

735
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 7: to go there, that's what you want. And so you know,

736
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 7: leaving dog toys in the yard or something like that,

737
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 7: that might help.

738
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 10: What about a ring cam, like does that make you?

739
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 10: Would that frighten people to think like, oh, maybe I

740
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 10: should avoid this house because they have the cameras there.

741
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 7: It depends on how visible it is. I mean, you know,

742
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 7: we've all seen these videos of it, and the last

743
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 7: one I saw someone's coming up to the house apparently

744
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 7: checking it out and look like a woman, but she

745
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 7: has a baseball cap on and it's hard to tell

746
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 7: you know who she is. So they're probably fairly easy

747
00:43:54,520 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 7: to defeat for those kinds of circumstances. Uh, just depends

748
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 7: on what angle you have at it. So most of them.

749
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 7: If I have a camera looking down on someone a

750
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 7: build hat, it's gonna defeat.

751
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 3: That's so true.

752
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: Want to how about bars on all the windows? Wait,

753
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 2: I know we're cutting to a break right now, so

754
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to wrap it up. Uh, this is true

755
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: crime tonight. We're talking true crime all the time.

756
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 3: Listen.

757
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us on such a confusing night

758
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: having the safety tips.

759
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 3: It's super helpful, right court, it is wonderful.

760
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: And yeah, especially like don't keep it a secret, like

761
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: you said, you want the criminals to see these, you know,

762
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 2: preventative measures. So thank you again, doctor John Eck, Professor

763
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 2: of Criminal Justice at the University of Cincinnati. We really

764
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: appreciate the time you took to share with all of

765
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 2: us crime prevention tips. Keep it here after the break.

766
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: True crime tonight, we're talking true crime all the time.

767
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 3: We're wacky tonight.

768
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 2: We don't know if we are coming or going, if

769
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: we are crying or laughing the world.

770
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 3: Is really it's the red moon. Honestly, that's right.

771
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody's nodding, Oh my goodness, it's the red moon.

772
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 2: You know, obviously the tragedy happening over you know, Charlie

773
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: Kirk's death, being shot while speaking his beliefs to students

774
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: and sharing his thoughts. Whether you agree with him or

775
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: not is so irrelevant because again, not okay. We can

776
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 2: all agree, that is not okay at all. Young father

777
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: thirty one years old, beautiful wife to very small children,

778
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: age one and age three. Man, our hearts are with them.

779
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: And if again, if you have something or you know

780
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: him or his family and want to share a tale

781
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: or a story, we're of course here to hear it.

782
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: And this awful school shooting in Colorado, three were said

783
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: to be critically injured, one of them being the actual

784
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 2: shooter a student as well, And just before we came

785
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: on air tonight, one has died. It's unclear which, and

786
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: there have been no new development since we've started the show.

787
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: If you've missed any of the last hour, you know,

788
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: please check.

789
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 3: It out as a podcast.

790
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: Despite it all being insane, but we're all sort of like,

791
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: what is the we want to sort of try to

792
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: be productive, and again, any suggestions we're here for them

793
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 2: feels like a.

794
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: Wicked switching of gears.

795
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: But here we are the long awaited true crime and

796
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: chill is something that we were talking about. So maybe

797
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: just to kind of cleanse our our hearts a little

798
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: bit and we can all, you know, get our our

799
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: thoughts and feelings out on this documentary.

800
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 3: For hot seconds collectively, let it rip on all the rage.

801
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, and I do feel enraged. I might

802
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: add so unknown Unknown number documentary on Netflix, Real Quick

803
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: Watch ninety minutes.

804
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 3: We were assigned this by TAHA.

805
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: One week ago and we've been getting a lot of

806
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 2: listenings everywhere. So spoiler alert, spoiler alert, spoiler alert.

807
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, get into that. We're going to dig into

808
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 5: that in a little bit. But there was a story

809
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 5: that I just came across and I've been dying to

810
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 5: talk about coming.

811
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: Like dusting off bodies chair Yeah sure, just bodies like

812
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 2: tied up in the closet healthcare.

813
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, bring that story.

814
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 10: Well, the reason it caught my eye is because you

815
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 10: may or may not know this about me, but I'm

816
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 10: a big music lover. So I listened to a lot

817
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 10: of music, and this one ties in with some true

818
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 10: crime but in the music world, so basically in a nutshell,

819
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 10: some human remains or human remains were found in the

820
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 10: front trunk of a tesla registered to a musician named

821
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 10: David at the Los Angeles Impound. Now David he spells

822
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 10: his name D for VD, so he's a pop singer.

823
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 10: He's professionally known as David, but his real name is

824
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 10: David Anthony Burke. He's a twenty year old rising star

825
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 10: in the music industry. But it seems as though the

826
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 10: police began investigating because the artist he's currently touring and

827
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,959
Speaker 10: the vehicle was reported abandoned in the Hollywood Hills and

828
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 10: it was towed to a lot. People at the lot

829
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 10: started to smell something. They're like, what is that stink

830
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 10: like it was coming it's.

831
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 3: Hot weather here.

832
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 10: Well, they open the trunk only to find a body

833
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 10: inside of a bag, and so now they're investigating into this.

834
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 10: Some more details are it's a feet that it was

835
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 10: female remains. It looks like she she seems like she's

836
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 10: a They can't really tell the person's ethnicity due to

837
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 10: the decomposition, they can confirm that it was a female

838
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 10: she had wavy hair, and oddly she weigh she only

839
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 10: weighs seventy pounds.

840
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 3: Seventy pounds, so very small, very.

841
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 5: Would there be a small Well, don't make.

842
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 2: Those Tesla You know, I haven't been in a lot

843
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: of Tesla's, but I do know I always noticed that

844
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 2: those little front like they have their little front. It's

845
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this a front, A front, a front

846
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: from Not only do the doors come up, you know,

847
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: like you know, back in the day, back to the future,

848
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: but also you know the fronk. The trunk is in

849
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 2: the front of the car, and it's kind of a small,

850
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 2: deep trunk, right.

851
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 10: It's from what I have not actually seen one, but

852
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 10: from what it sounds like, well, clearly it has to

853
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 10: be small for this. I mean it sounds like it's

854
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 10: a small size. But that yeah, I'm not sure about that.

855
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 10: But what they what I did think was unusual. Two

856
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 10: things with this one the tattoo. There's a tattoo on

857
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 10: her right index finger and it reads a whoa. That's

858
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 10: I think it's odd. And here's another one I think

859
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 10: is unusual. One of his biggest songs is called Romantic Homicide,

860
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 10: So oh my goodness, Yeah, that's an unusual question.

861
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 2: Like this body was found yesterday and he continued to

862
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: go on stage last night and perform, and you know,

863
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 2: wasn't stopped, and there has been no direct indication that

864
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: he will be arrested.

865
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 10: Correct, you are correct, So so we're going to keep

866
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 10: following this to see what happens with David. But and

867
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 10: side note, the album is pretty good, So I don't

868
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 10: know whether I should say that or not because of

869
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 10: the situation.

870
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 3: But well, it might not have been him. It might

871
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 3: he might have like lost his car.

872
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 2: Maybe his car was stolen and this person who stole

873
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 2: the car did very bad things, dumped it and.

874
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 3: Thought they were off to the races. Frankly, it seems

875
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 3: like they are off to the races.

876
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: And yeah, honestly, it had been you know, it was

877
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 2: five days that it was already abandoned.

878
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 3: Who knows that was when it was reported, so it

879
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 3: could have.

880
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 2: Been who knows before and then it was moved from

881
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: certain lots.

882
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 10: So so again, as we know, there's auto theft, which

883
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 10: we were just talking about earlier with John, so any

884
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 10: kind of unusual thing could have happened. So when stolen

885
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 10: the body, So we'll wait, we'll keep digging into that one,

886
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 10: and I'll keep you posted if I hear more about it.

887
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 2: One thing I know for sure, and again Joseph Scott

888
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 2: Morgan getting a lot of play tonight that I've learned

889
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 2: from him. And of course we heard this in the

890
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: infamous top Mom case Casey Anthony, Oh yeah, when her daughter,

891
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 2: her little beautiful body was decomposing a legit in a

892
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: car because the car smelt like human remains.

893
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 3: That just became a very big hot topic of that case,

894
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 3: highly debated.

895
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 2: So I have learned from Joseph Scott Morgan that body

896
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: decomposition is extremely real and it has a very horrible odor.

897
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 3: It's an undeniable stench.

898
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 2: It's not as though bodies can just lay about and

899
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: it doesn't create an epic amount of odor. So this

900
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 2: has been several days.

901
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:30,479
Speaker 3: Hot sun.

902
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: It's you know, what is it one hundred degrees over

903
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: by you guys in Los Angeles.

904
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's been like in the high nineties.

905
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's perfect.

906
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: Here in Nashville, it's perfect, cragging, just green and cool,

907
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 2: and it's so pretty. Yeah, it's so pretty. But again

908
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 2: that's not here nor there. But you know, hot sun

909
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: one hundred degrees and decomposing body.

910
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 3: What a tragedy, awful, awful.

911
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, so listen, we will as this evolves, because really

912
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 2: right now there's much more questions than answers in this case.

913
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: But we will keep you up to date as info

914
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 2: comes out. This is true grime.

915
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 3: Tonight. We are on iHeartRadio.

916
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: I'm Courtney Armstrong here luckily with Stephanie Lydecker, and we're

917
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: going over some headlines and Taha is also joining us,

918
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: and of course, as always Sam and Adam in the

919
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 2: control room. So listen, come and join. They just put

920
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 2: their muscles up, both of them. Everybody, just all the

921
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 2: men just put their arms up.

922
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 3: The gun show, I mean.

923
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 8: Nice, all right, I feel safe because it's radio, but

924
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 8: we are all very muscular.

925
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: Listen, there are no uh no water bottles or police

926
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 2: flash lights required by you guys.

927
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 3: That's right, But that was actually that was a great tip.

928
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: Now I made a little fun of the flashlight, but

929
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: honestly making it that with the big boots, making it

930
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: look like who knows live.

931
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 3: And that that big flashlight.

932
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: Also not to overestimate this, but also a fire extinguisher

933
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 2: next to your bed, double purpose. Now again, this may

934
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 2: sound crazy, but think about the fire extinguisher is a

935
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 2: pretty good weapon.

936
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean idea certainly. Yeah, and you'll never be

937
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 3: in a fire.

938
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 10: My fear though, is like in the middle of the night,

939
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 10: someone's breaking in, Like I can barely find my glasses,

940
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 10: so I yeah, all.

941
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 2: You want to do is go right. So that's why

942
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 2: you want it right by your bed. You should have

943
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 2: your big flat your huge flashlight. You won't even see it.

944
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 2: It's like right by your bed, your big like police

945
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 2: style flashlight, very sleek black.

946
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 3: And then you have your fire extinguisher. Call me crazy,

947
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 3: but let's have that closed too, might as well.

948
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 2: And then yeah, if you feel like there's an intruder

949
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: or something fishy happening, yeah, boom.

950
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 3: It's right there.

951
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 5: That's good.

952
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

953
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 2: I used to dog sit for this is that's an

954
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 2: irrelevant information, but it used to dogs that it's some

955
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 2: one's lovely house and I would sleep there.

956
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 3: And they had a baseball bat.

957
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: They said, just heads up, we keep a baseball bat

958
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 2: right under here for just in case.

959
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, because that's a car.

960
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 2: They're not as heavy though, are they as heavy? I mean,

961
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about baseball. They got a lot.

962
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: I mean, since we're talking about it, they think of

963
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 2: how much leverage they are long, they're meant to swing,

964
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 2: and so you swing with more velocity, so you get nice, good.

965
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 3: Tip, great tip like this. Yeah, and so you know,

966
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 3: we'll have a baseball.

967
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: Bat, a flashlight which is also just good because the

968
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 2: lights go out right storms, and then a fire extinguisher.

969
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 2: You never know there's maybe a fire in the neighborhood

970
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,919
Speaker 2: in the night. Now listen, we will be the last

971
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: one standing no matter what.

972
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 3: That's right.

973
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I've got a bottle of water. I feel like,

974
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 5: you know, can't happen.

975
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: Can we get a bottle of wine too? Pop that

976
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: in pop that in slash as well. Yeah, that's right,

977
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 2: that's right.

978
00:55:58,719 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: No, there's many things.

979
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 2: So I actually I have an update on a story

980
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: that we've mentioned a few times, and this is the

981
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: story out of Australia that we've had so many calls

982
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 2: and talkbacks, like, uh so many. We were going to

983
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 2: do it tonight in a very big way too, So

984
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 2: this will be an ongoing.

985
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, just go Morgan. So we're just going to

986
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 3: give the headline.

987
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 2: So in Australia, Aaron Patterson, she has been sentenced to

988
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: three life sentences and this just happened this week, and

989
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 2: that was for poisoning her husband's parents and aunt with

990
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 2: death cap mushrooms. So she had served her former in

991
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 2: laws and their relatives beef Wellington. So that's sort of

992
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,959
Speaker 2: that's the beef that's wrapped in a mushroom mix that's

993
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: wrapped in I know tahas salivating.

994
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 3: Its delicious, it's delicious, and it's wrapped in a philo though,

995
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 3: Gordon Ramsey.

996
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so but she she served that with highly poisonous

997
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 2: mushrooms and this was a big deal. Yeah, good point

998
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 2: that we will be covering this with Joseph Scott Morgan.

999
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: But just some things to keep in the back of

1000
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: your brain. There's been mixed reactions to this case. Well,

1001
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: she was okay, so a scene setter, you know. On

1002
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: the one hand, she's saying, look, I didn't know what

1003
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: I'm not a botanist, I don't, I don't, I'm not

1004
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 2: in the mushroom business.

1005
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 3: I got some.

1006
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: Mushrooms and I served it to my beloved in laws

1007
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 2: and and and it went sideways.

1008
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 3: That's one side.

1009
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 2: The other side is she was doing quite a bit

1010
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 2: of research on deadly mushrooms and was identifying them in advance.

1011
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 3: Is that accurate, Corney? One hundred percent?

1012
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: She had researched these specific death It's hard to get

1013
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 2: around that she foraged for them locally, I honestly like

1014
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 2: so she was like cooking to kill. She was cooking

1015
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 2: to kill and so much so that and she wanted

1016
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 2: to make sure her children were excluded from the lunch,

1017
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 2: which was very odd. And then just on top of

1018
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: all of it, she kind of brought them there, brought

1019
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: these former in laws. She claimed to have cancer, so

1020
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 2: she made a pretend cancer pronouncement to get them there

1021
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 2: and made sure children weren't there. So yeah, between that

1022
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: and the foraging and the research, I mean, she did

1023
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 2: a lot of work into this lunch.

1024
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 3: Wow, and the kids.

1025
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 2: Can you imagine your mom is like doing this kind

1026
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 2: of whack a do thing. Why why was she trying

1027
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 2: to do this? She was at war with them? Let

1028
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 2: me guess money, she.

1029
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 3: Was at war with them.

1030
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 2: I think she'd kind of It's something that we'll get

1031
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 2: into her on a deep level when we go in.

1032
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: We'll dive in just not just forensically, but also exactly why.

1033
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 2: But it was a separation and then they reconciled, they

1034
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 2: were exchanged again.

1035
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 10: It's kind of you and think about the kids when

1036
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 10: these like if your parents commit this kind of murder,

1037
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 10: like you have to live with that the rest of

1038
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 10: your life, and it's just it's just horrible.

1039
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: But it's so insensitive and it's so horrible. Like you

1040
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 2: say you would take a bullet for your kid. Okay,

1041
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 2: get along with your in laws then rightactly figure it out.

1042
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it's it's so true.

1043
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 2: So but yeah, this one, I mean, we have had

1044
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,919
Speaker 2: sort of nothing but questions. But if you do have

1045
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 2: questions about it, you know, in a couple of days,

1046
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: probably likely on Sunday Day, Joseph Scott Morgan will be

1047
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 2: back with us and we will be going into this.

1048
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 2: And I'm so curious what a poison mushroom?

1049
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 11: Well?

1050
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 10: Do what do I look out for if I order

1051
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 10: mushroom pizzas? There's something I should avoid.

1052
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 3: I love mushroom pizzas, so I should learn this too.

1053
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 3: To be you should just never have a mushroom ever.

1054
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: Again, I don't know if I'm I don't know if

1055
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 2: I'm into that, but listen, I am into having everyone

1056
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: stick around and join us, because after the break we

1057
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: are finally going to get to true crime and chu

1058
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 2: up and we want to hear you, so give us

1059
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 2: a holler eighty eight.

1060
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 3: Three one crime.

1061
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 2: We'll talk about it together, True Crime Tonight. Welcome back

1062
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true crime

1063
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 2: all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney Armstrong

1064
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 2: and Taha House jumping into the hot seat as our

1065
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 2: body move in. Is not with us this evening, and

1066
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 2: a tough one at that. We will acknowledge it each segment.

1067
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: Tough day, sad, sad, horrible day for so all of us, period.

1068
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 2: It's for all of us, a tough day. School shooting

1069
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 2: in Denver. One of the three has now died, and

1070
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: of course you know this awful shooting that has happened

1071
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: to Charlie Kirk and he too has died. There's a

1072
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 2: video of this circling circulating everywhere. Frankly, I would encourage

1073
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 2: you not to see it. I don't think it is

1074
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 2: helpful in any other way. It's really triggering and awful.

1075
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 2: It's so disturbing, and I get so upset. I mean,

1076
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 2: as you had said earlier, I do not mean to bring.

1077
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 3: This back up.

1078
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 2: But if there's any capacity, you have to keep this

1079
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 2: out of the you know, view line of children as well,

1080
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 2: because it is it's just sort of popping up everywhere,

1081
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 2: So be mindful if I don't even know if that's

1082
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 2: two cents to give or not, but yeah, it's everywhere

1083
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 2: and it should.

1084
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 3: I've never seen anything in it.

1085
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 2: So one of those things like you you can't not

1086
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 2: look right so and then you can't not see it,

1087
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 2: and then you can't unsee it, and I don't know,

1088
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 2: your DNA kind of changes a little bit.

1089
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 3: I am not into it. It is like a snuff movie.

1090
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 2: Out of respect for his you know, beautiful family and

1091
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 2: young family, his parents and everyone who was witnessed to

1092
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 2: this tragedy. Again, we said it earlier, not to pontificate,

1093
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 2: but you know, he was sharing his beliefs. He was

1094
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 2: doing it with grace and with kindness and debating. By

1095
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:18,919
Speaker 2: the way, I grew up in a house. My dad

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01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 2: is no longer with us, but he was like the

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01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 2: great debater, and he we would have family over and

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01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 2: friends over, and we would have everybody would get into

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Speaker 2: these like wild, like exciting, fantastic arguments like they would

1100
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 2: It would get real you know, and it was you know,

1101
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 2: opinions were flowing and you know, but it was like

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01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,919
Speaker 2: what was so interesting? And everybody kind of would leave

1103
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: like all right, I'll give you that, you know, Oh good, right,

1104
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 2: you know, and then like all right, I'll find the

1105
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 2: hugs and you know, they next, you know, Irish, next thing.

1106
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 2: You know, the Germans and the Irish, they're all having

1107
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 2: a cocktail. But it was like there was so much

1108
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 2: love there. That was like the creativity and the expansion

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01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 2: of ideas and people can evolve. You can feel one

1110
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 2: way and then be you know, enlighten to feel a

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01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 2: different way, and the only way you get to.

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01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 3: Do that is by talking things through.

1113
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 2: And it's just so tragic that that's what he was,

1114
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 2: you know, attempting to do so uh and he was

1115
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 2: murdered for it.

1116
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 3: And I don't know where you put that.

1117
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 2: So I think we all can agree not okay, uh

1118
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 2: and horrible and wishing a lot of peace and love

1119
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 2: to all who have been affected. And again, if you

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01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 2: have something you want to share, please do.

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01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 7: So.

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01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, switching gears is something that seems incredibly meaningless in

1123
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: the big scheme of things, but maybe that's just what

1124
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 2: the doctor ordered.

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Speaker 3: True crime and chill time.

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01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 2: We are taking a hard right turn into unknown number

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01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 2: The High School Catfish.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I have not seen it. No, no nowork.

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01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 10: Spoiler alert because we're going to be revealing a little

1130
01:03:59,120 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 10: bit about it.

1131
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, taha. We're gonna be revealing. I mean

1132
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 2: there's one main thing. I mean there's many nuance, but

1133
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 2: we will be spoiling it. And this is more than

1134
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 2: almost anything. I feel like this is caught heat for

1135
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: how surprising. Yeah, it's very surprising, So if you care

1136
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,439
Speaker 2: to watch it. It's been out for a minute though,

1137
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 2: so I think it's it's a case.

1138
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 3: That's been around for a while.

1139
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 2: There was also don't forget that Lisa Renna lifetime movie

1140
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 2: where Lisa Renna plays a key character.

1141
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 3: But I won't even give.

1142
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 2: The title of it because that also will be a

1143
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 2: spoiler alert. So go ahead, Court, you bring it the

1144
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 2: set up, and then let's dive in. So here's the background.

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01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 2: We have two thirteen year old teens from Michigan. They

1146
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 2: are blonde, they are sporty. The girl is Lauren Lacary

1147
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 2: and her then boyfriend is Owen McKenny. So just a

1148
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 2: darling little couple. They are going.

1149
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 3: They were going to a school house so.

1150
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 2: Small that it literally housed from a pre k to

1151
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 2: twelfth grade.

1152
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 3: So that's the community setting as well.

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01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 2: And also this is Beale, Michigan, and there's probably like

1154
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 2: three hundred people in the entire town.

1155
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 3: Heini teeny tiny.

1156
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 2: And so they start to get messages, this young couple,

1157
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 2: series of intense harassing text messages, and it's repeatedly from

1158
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 2: an anonymous phone number. And I'm talking about there are

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01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 2: many thousands upon thousands that happened. It goes on for

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01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 2: over a year, and largely they are directed towards the girl,

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01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 2: Lauren Lacari and things such as you are the ugliest

1162
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 2: person I've ever seen, Nobody wants to see your anorexic

1163
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 2: flat fill in the blank, and even so far as

1164
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 2: suggesting that this young girl, Lauren uh kill herself. I mean,

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01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 2: this is prevalently in the documentary and in the case,

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01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 2: that's what was happening. And just to add to that again,

1167
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 2: imagine getting fifty texts a day. You live in a

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01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 2: town of three hundred people, so you basically know everybody, right,

1169
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 2: everybody knows everybody for a long time too. You know

1170
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 2: everybody's parents, the uncles, the ANNs, the school. Yes, so

1171
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 2: you know somebody is literally watching you, and it's likely

1172
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 2: somebody you like very much. And all these sexual, horrible

1173
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:34,919
Speaker 2: texts coming through.

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01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 3: We actually have a caller right now. Let's go join

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01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 3: the conversation.

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01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 5: Caller Tiffany.

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01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 10: I think they said to us, So, Hi, Tiffany, is

1178
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 10: she there?

1179
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 5: Can you hear us?

1180
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 3: Hashtag? Red moon?

1181
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 5: Oh r real quick?

1182
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 2: Done a number on us? Okay, Well, we're waiting for

1183
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 2: me to get sorted. So yes, Stephanie. And and it's

1184
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 2: just it's paranoia in this incredibly small town. And the

1185
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 2: other thing to know is that a lot of these

1186
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 2: threatening texts, as I said, we're directed towards Lauren, the

1187
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 2: young girl, and she's thirteen, by the way, young thirteen

1188
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 2: years old, thirteen years old, and it seems like these

1189
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 2: texts are coming from a girl who maybe wants to

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01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 2: date Owen herself, because it's it's it's trying to break

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01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 2: this couple up.

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01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 3: Fair enough is a lot of what the text is.

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01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 2: Oh, we got the call her back at it again.

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01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 12: Hello, Hello, Defne, can you hear me?

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01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 2: Hi today? Welcome to the show. Thank you so much

1196
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 2: for calling in.

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01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 5: Thank you.

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01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 12: It's body.

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Speaker 3: You silly, Oh my.

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01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 5: God, because she had to be a part.

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01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 12: Of this call.

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01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 2: Okay, so get ready, baby, because we were first of all,

1203
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 2: how has your trip been?

1204
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 3: We hope you're having so much fun.

1205
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 13: It's some wonderful It's exactly what I needed. It's the

1206
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 13: reset I need in Yeah.

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01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 3: Okay, good, it's so wonderful.

1208
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 2: Well, well, Boddy, you called it literally the perfect time,

1209
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:19,879
Speaker 2: as you know, the person who brought this whole idea

1210
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:23,799
Speaker 2: to everybody at True Crime tonight. So we just obviously

1211
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 2: described everything about the case except for so now we

1212
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 2: know that the couple Lauren and Owen, they have finally

1213
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 2: broken up because of the harassment.

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01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 3: And then we find out who was wait, no, one

1215
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 3: more thing that I just think adds to the story.

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01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 2: Yes, so they for sure these texts were directed at

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01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 2: Lauren thirteen years old, because the person was making very

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01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 2: sexual comments about how she wasn't fulfilling Owen as her

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01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 2: boyfriend as her girlfriend.

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01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 3: She wasn't doing enough of this and enough that add all.

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01:08:56,280 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 2: The grossest, most over sexualized comments you can come up with.

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01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 2: And also they break up because listen, Lauren and Owen

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01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 2: are starting to feel the pain.

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01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,440
Speaker 3: How can I get fifty texts.

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01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:11,839
Speaker 2: From a random person calling you a million horrible days.

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01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 2: You're a young girl thirteen years old, just trying to

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01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 2: keep her head up. By the way, she's perfect, you know,

1228
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 2: she's like the most lovely, wonderful girl. They both are.

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01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 2: And it starts to take a toll emotionally, and she

1230
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 2: starts to feel bad about herself. And then they do

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01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 2: who of them start bickering about it, Oh, do you

1232
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 2: know the person? And it starts to take a toll

1233
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 2: right like they don't have the tools, and they're saying, hey, help,

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01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 2: They get the police, they get.

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01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:38,759
Speaker 3: Mom and dad, but both parents. Everyone's jumping in. Lauren's parents.

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01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 2: They're suddenly like, this, we got to get to the

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01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 2: bottom of it. Owen's parents, we got to get to

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01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,759
Speaker 2: the bottom of it. Both of the parents also come together,

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01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 2: the foursome of the parents. They become very tight, right,

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01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 2: they're going to fight this.

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01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 3: They go to the school. Frankly, it seems like they

1242
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 3: were about to go door to door to everybody in

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01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 3: the town.

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01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 7: It was.

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01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 2: It was becoming intense that way. But Lauren, especially, it

1246
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,759
Speaker 2: starts to wear on her self esteem and she's feeling

1247
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 2: very broken.

1248
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 3: And then they break up. You know, young love too.

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01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:12,719
Speaker 2: This is their everybody's like puppy love, right, and then Owen,

1250
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 2: you know, he needs somebody else, he starts to date.

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01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 2: It's like a year goes by, by the way, it

1252
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 2: doesn't time go by?

1253
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 3: Am I getting more than a year?

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01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 2: So all this time goes by, Owen meets another girl

1255
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 2: because he's supposed to and perfectly appropriate.

1256
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 3: And then guess what she starts getting the texts.

1257
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 2: Oh, everybody wants Owen. So there's no question that everybody

1258
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 2: wants Owen. And this that's the goal here. So now

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01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,759
Speaker 2: this caller has gotten rid of Lauren, even though she's

1260
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 2: like been telling Lauren to take her own life.

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01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 3: That's how bad it got.

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01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 5: That's part that stands out the most.

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01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I had to jump that in courtney. Go ahead, go.

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01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 5: Ahead, now get to part here we go.

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01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:53,759
Speaker 3: No, so all of that is happening.

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01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 2: And then I think, since body called in that she

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01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 2: should be the one to to give that bailer who

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01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 2: was behind it.

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01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:07,480
Speaker 13: So we learn this in the most horrific way possible,

1270
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:12,440
Speaker 13: that it's Lauren's mother that is lending the text messages

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01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 13: to them.

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01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 3: Can you yes? Yes?

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01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 2: The mother and the mother and the mother, and by

1274
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 2: the way, there's this bodycam footage. So they figure it out,

1275
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 2: they get the police involved, they get the FBI UBI,

1276
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 2: and then the FBI starts. Yeah, they're like not playing,

1277
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 2: They'll become they're like body moving. They're like, hey, I'm

1278
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,440
Speaker 2: not going to play with these ip addresses.

1279
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to find this clown. And they go down the.

1280
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 2: Rabbit hole and they like they figure it out. Lauren's mother,

1281
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,679
Speaker 2: who's been consoling her every day, giving her all kinds

1282
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 2: of love and devotion, is the root of the problem.

1283
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 2: Police come in and they have this body cam footage,

1284
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 2: which I thought was so I honestly, I'm like I

1285
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 2: want to start, like I need to stand.

1286
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 3: I'm getting so angry just thinking about it.

1287
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:55,839
Speaker 13: To run away.

1288
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 3: I hate it. So there is just to set the

1289
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 3: scene if you have I don't watched it.

1290
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 2: So there's Mom, she's like, you know, being mom, and Lauren,

1291
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 2: who's been now you know, brutalized online and through these texts.

1292
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 2: Police come they're like, uh, Lauren, well, hey Mom, we

1293
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 2: got something to tell you.

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01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 3: We know it's you. She's like, oh, really, so weird.

1295
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 3: And then so it was that it was so weird

1296
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 3: and then Lauren.

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01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 2: They tell Lauren, Oh, your mom's actually the problem, and

1298
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 2: like the mom's like hugging on her, yeah, and she

1299
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 2: had been for her, and little Lauren has that like

1300
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 2: dis is sooiciated.

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01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 3: Like dead eyes.

1302
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 2: You see the shock, the despair, and by the way,

1303
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 2: I am enraged by it.

1304
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 3: I'm enraged by this documentary in some way. To be honest,

1305
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 3: I don't know what.

1306
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 2: I don't think that Kendra got the answer. I want

1307
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 2: more answers out of Kendra. First of all, eighteen months

1308
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 2: is nonsense. Why is she not behind bars right now?

1309
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 2: Why are we giving her a platform? We're giving her

1310
01:12:58,400 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 2: a platform to be kind of like.

1311
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 3: It's a teen show. Woo, it's fun. At the beginning,

1312
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 3: there's Kendra.

1313
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 2: Ooh, No, Kendra's a criminal and should be in jail

1314
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 2: the end.

1315
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 13: If it was me, if that was I would never

1316
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 13: agree to go on this documentary. You would see like

1317
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 13: a body moving holy man, right, you know, of.

1318
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 2: Course, God no, you'd be like living a very quiet

1319
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 2: life far far away, hoping nobody ever knows this dastardly

1320
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 2: thing about you.

1321
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 3: But like what a wack yeah, would you?

1322
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 2: And why are we even not asking her the hard questions, like, Kendra,

1323
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 2: we have to agree this is completely bananas. Kendra's like, well,

1324
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 2: we all do kind of like illegal things.

1325
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 5: No, we don't, guys.

1326
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 13: She was saying the most disgusting, vile, awful thing.

1327
01:13:54,040 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 3: She was telling her own daughter to kill herself. It's

1328
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 3: so mad.

1329
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 5: I yeah, I.

1330
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 13: Was mad to Stephanie, I was so mad.

1331
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 10: Wow, I see I expect that turn. So that was

1332
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,640
Speaker 10: the surprise for me. But I mean, you know it was.

1333
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 10: It was an interesting one. And we have to keep

1334
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 10: keep various documentaries in our mix and various shows that

1335
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 10: we're all going to watch together.

1336
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 5: This one I don't think Stephanie loved.

1337
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 2: But no, it was entertaining if it was if Lisa

1338
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 2: Rena was starring in it, like the Lifetime movie version

1339
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 2: that's called like mean mom, Yeah, I'm on board. It's

1340
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 2: like totally interesting. But like it wasn't. It was like weird,

1341
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 2: creepy mom, Like where was the therapist? Like, let's talk

1342
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 2: about what Munchausen's you know, online by proxy actually is,

1343
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 2: because that's a real diagnosis. I don't know, but it's

1344
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 2: like the Gypsy Rose factor. Suddenly, you know, Kendra is

1345
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 2: like a superstar. She's on everything where they're like her,

1346
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 2: hate her. She has a really big platform and it

1347
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 2: just it got me kind of bombed. I felt like

1348
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 2: she needed to be more held a cont on.

1349
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 12: A ball, villainized.

1350
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 13: She needs to be more villainized, Like yeah.

1351
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 3: Like let me hear it.

1352
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 13: Then let's learn from her, Like what the hell are

1353
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 13: we doing? What are we doing? You know what I mean?

1354
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 13: Like this lady is crazy?

1355
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 3: Yeah she was like I don't know.

1356
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, Well we're about to go to break but.

1357
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 10: When we come back, we should tease what the next documentary.

1358
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 5: Is going to be, because we have a new one.

1359
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 5: We're going to be watching body.

1360
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 10: You're going to love the one that we're going to

1361
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 10: talk about, So stay tunedday tou tonight.

1362
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 2: Thank you Boddy for joining us for that. It would

1363
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 2: not have been the same without you. We love you

1364
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 2: and hope you are back to gallivanting and having a

1365
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 2: great time on your time off well deserved and we

1366
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 2: can't wait for you to be back on I think Sunday,

1367
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:03,759
Speaker 2: Sunday or Monday. So anyway, back to this crazy documentary, Courtney,

1368
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 2: I want to hear from you.

1369
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 3: What did you think you know?

1370
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 2: And I had said this last week because I knew

1371
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 2: the case, and so for me, but I got to

1372
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 2: sit there and seethe, not from the midpoint on, but

1373
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:23,799
Speaker 2: from jump and seeing this woman with her vapid face

1374
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 2: and this mother who was doing all of this, and

1375
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 2: watching her from the beginning.

1376
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 3: Saying and I don't know, you know who could have.

1377
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 2: Been doing this, and then to get further enraged in

1378
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 2: the aftermath because when you find out again then.

1379
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 3: You see it unfold, and even the way she.

1380
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 2: Was speaking about it with taking no culpability. I don't

1381
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 2: know if the moment that creeped me out the absolute most,

1382
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 2: and I don't know it was not the biggest moment

1383
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 2: in it, but it was sort of towards the end,

1384
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 2: and she's being asked something about, you know, going after

1385
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 2: her daughter.

1386
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,720
Speaker 3: As she was and saying the most despicable things.

1387
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 2: That sexually and kill yourself and otherwise horrible. But however

1388
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 2: she phrased it, the interviewer asked.

1389
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 3: What do you like?

1390
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 2: Who were you taught? Were you writing these to yourself?

1391
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 2: Because the mom was pretending she wasn't writing it to

1392
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 2: her daughter, and then you see a flicker in her

1393
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 2: eyes she says, you know, I was underweight at that time,

1394
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 2: I was a little antirexic. Maybe I was writing them

1395
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 2: to myself. Do you remember that?

1396
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 3: Of course? And also I do.

1397
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 2: And that's where I kind of felt like we should

1398
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 2: have learned a little bit more about Hendra and how

1399
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 2: did Hendra get to be at this place in her

1400
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 2: life where this feels appropriate? Can we add a therapist?

1401
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,679
Speaker 2: Can we get a little accountability? Is there some takeaway

1402
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:50,640
Speaker 2: that maybe the rest of us could learn so we

1403
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 2: could spot Munchausen's online? How about the other mother of

1404
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 2: Owen who's like making friends with this wackadoo.

1405
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 3: This wackado is going to all of his games and stuff. Editor,

1406
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 3: Like you.

1407
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 2: Don't think, oh, preditor, Yeah, literally a predator, not even

1408
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 2: like right, she was being a predator. So I can't

1409
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 2: I didn't learn anything, like I feel like that just

1410
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 2: felt like Kendra is a star and like this isn't

1411
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 2: like a pretend thing.

1412
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 3: It was quite real.

1413
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 2: No, And Kendra, I mean she you know, she also

1414
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 2: made horrible messes of several teenagers' lives. I mean she

1415
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 2: free them, then they were ostracized. She ruined so many

1416
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 2: lives and just got to sit there and kind of

1417
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 2: smile about it. And to your point, Stephanie say, we've

1418
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 2: all done things we should have been arrested for, right, right, Like, no, girl, no, Kendra,

1419
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 2: hard no on all of this hard No, It's part

1420
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 2: of the problem that there was such little accountability. How

1421
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 2: about They were like, uh, well, don't you think it

1422
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 2: was kind of bad that you were sending your daughter

1423
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 2: text and telling her to kill herself?

1424
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 3: She was like, well, I didn't really think that.

1425
01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 5: I knew.

1426
01:18:58,120 --> 01:18:59,600
Speaker 3: I you know, I knew she was going to not

1427
01:18:59,640 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 3: do that.

1428
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1429
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 2: Oh, because you're so sane that you're reading the room

1430
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 2: so well, Kendra, why are we giving Kendra all of

1431
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:07,520
Speaker 2: this airtime?

1432
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 3: I think that it stressed me out. I got a little,

1433
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 3: I got a little, I got a little bothered by it. Yeah, understood. Well, listen,

1434
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 3: we have a talk back, and I want to know.

1435
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 3: We are demanding to We're demanding to know.

1436
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 7: Hi.

1437
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 11: I have a question about the unknown number of the

1438
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 11: high school Catfish documentary.

1439
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 3: Do you think that the mom.

1440
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 11: Was obsessed with the boyfriend or do you think that

1441
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 11: she was jealous of her daughter or maybe like the

1442
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 11: attention that she was getting from her daughter from these

1443
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 11: ticks that she was receiving.

1444
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 2: Thank you, Well, I can jump in a little bit

1445
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 2: on that because I went down the rabbit hole. It's

1446
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 2: basically Munchausen's online proxy. It's basically Munchausen's is the same

1447
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 2: thing that Gypsy Rose had, Right, So it's typically mom

1448
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 2: her mother had, Yeah, exactly, her mother had. Correction, Usually

1449
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 2: it's a caregiver. It's traditionally women, you know, always, but

1450
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 2: it seems like a ninety nine percent of time, and

1451
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 2: it's often moms who actually they give the pain that

1452
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 2: they are also being praised for curing. So, oh, you're

1453
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 2: so she's going through it, but yet Kendrick gets to

1454
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 2: be like the most devoted mother who's a hero to

1455
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 2: her daughter, who's consoling her, even though she's the reason

1456
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 2: the daughter needs consoling. It's really wicked. So they didn't

1457
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 2: really get into that too much. But yeah, it sounds

1458
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 2: like she was super jealous of everybody and wanted a

1459
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 2: ton of attention. I'm sweet for Owen who was fourteen

1460
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 2: years old.

1461
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 3: You weirdo.

1462
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so gross, top to bottom. Yeah, I think

1463
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 2: every single thing you said going to be a B

1464
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 2: or C.

1465
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 3: The answer is D. All of the above. I think

1466
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 3: every point was astute and they're all correct.

1467
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, that one is done.

1468
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 10: But we do have a new doc that we're going

1469
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 10: to be watching or new show that we're going to

1470
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 10: be watching for our true crime and Chill and Steph

1471
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 10: and I think you've already started watching.

1472
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, okay, I've gotten all teed up behind

1473
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 2: the scenes. Okay, So okay, I am really curious about

1474
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 2: this Amanda Knox. She has this new scripted show out

1475
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 2: on Hulu, The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox.

1476
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 3: Love it and it's.

1477
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 2: Really her story, but it's it's it's not a documentary.

1478
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 3: This is the acting version.

1479
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 2: There's actresses, and she's the executive producer. She's worked very

1480
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 2: closely on this project. I've heard her speak about it

1481
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 2: in press and it's very juicy and very important. And

1482
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 2: Amanda Knox is getting a lot of press right now

1483
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 2: because again very controversial. We'll remember her from Italy. She

1484
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 2: was accused of killing her roommate and many think to

1485
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 2: this day that she did.

1486
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 5: Wow.

1487
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 3: However, hey, spoiler alert, Well do I spoil? I mean

1488
01:21:59,479 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 3: it's fat?

1489
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 5: Ok yeah, I think she didn't.

1490
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 2: There's like somebody it's been proven not guilty, and somebody

1491
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 2: is guilty and behind bar is serving time for it,

1492
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:11,640
Speaker 2: but yet we don't seem to really realize that. So

1493
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 2: it's a real inspiring story but also a real great watch.

1494
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 3: Because the drum roll, that's on Wednesday.

1495
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about it on Wednesday, one week

1496
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 2: from today, because the following day, get this, True Crimers

1497
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:30,719
Speaker 2: Amanda Knox will be joining us on True Crime Tonight

1498
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 2: herself for the whole hour. Yeah, oh my gosh, Thursday,

1499
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 2: September eighteenth, Set your watches, get.

1500
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 10: Those talkbacks in right now. Yes, yes, she's going to

1501
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,599
Speaker 10: be here. You can ask her almost anything. So I'm ready.

1502
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 5: I'm excited.

1503
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 3: This is so exciting.

1504
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 2: I just I can't believe it, and I'm so I'm

1505
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 2: so interested and I'm so happy for her generosity to

1506
01:22:57,160 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 2: share her story, and it's really inspiring. I mean, this

1507
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 2: is somebody who was like hated by the whole country,

1508
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 2: her family torn apart, she had to learn Italy behind

1509
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,759
Speaker 2: bars just to be able to defend herself and listen,

1510
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 2: they were looking to throw away the key. Yes, period, absolutely,

1511
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 2: and she's going to be with us to tell us

1512
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 2: how that didn't happen and then we'll watch the show.

1513
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:25,919
Speaker 2: So all all the story, So yay, I'm excited.

1514
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 10: I cannot wait. So I'm geared up for that. So

1515
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 10: everyone's going to be watching that. It's The Twisted Tale

1516
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 10: of Amanda Knox on Hulu. So start watching now and

1517
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 10: next Wednesday we'll talk about it and the following day

1518
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 10: we're going to talk to Amanda personally.

1519
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 2: It has that good actress in it too. From Have

1520
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 2: you guys watched the show? Tell me lies?

1521
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 3: Oh no, but I know, love it right?

1522
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:49,679
Speaker 2: It like it was a good, juicy, juicy watch. It's

1523
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 2: not crime related. It's like teen angst college horrifying. There

1524
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 2: is a crime though, actually it is crime. It is crimey,

1525
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 2: but it's you know, it's like it's like a it's

1526
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 2: juicy and soapy. Anyway, the actress at stars and that

1527
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 2: is so good, is it Grace ben Patten? Yes, exactly,

1528
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 2: and she plays Amanda NX.

1529
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 3: I love it.

1530
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 10: Okay, Well, I'm excited. I'm gonna say that's my weekend excitement.

1531
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,560
Speaker 10: So I'll be watching that one. But in the meantime,

1532
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 10: we actually have another hauler that is on the line.

1533
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 5: This one.

1534
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 10: I'm going to set the stage for this one. Her

1535
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,759
Speaker 10: name is Samantha. She's from New Jersey. Do you guys

1536
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 10: remember we got a DM from someone that said they

1537
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 10: printed up these T shirts that.

1538
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 5: Said allegedly allegedly allegedly. Yeah, well, she.

1539
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 10: Is on the line right now and she's been dying

1540
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 10: to talk to you.

1541
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 5: She's a big fan. Is Samantha there to talk to us?

1542
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 6: Now?

1543
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 12: Hey, you guys, how else?

1544
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 2: Samantha, how are you, ladies?

1545
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 12: I'm so good. I just want to say that I

1546
01:24:56,000 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 12: was never a podcast early, but my friend Chris put

1547
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 12: me on to you guys, and I am hooked.

1548
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 3: Oh my word, you're the greatest.

1549
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 12: You guys.

1550
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 2: Listen, we got your DM and we've been passing around.

1551
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 2: We got such a smile out of it. The T

1552
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:18,799
Speaker 2: shirt so basically so Samantha puts together the allegedly allegedly

1553
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 2: allegedly artwork on a T shirt which we're going to

1554
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 2: totally now reproduce, and we're going to do a long

1555
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 2: sleeve version as well, per request. We've gotten some feedback

1556
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 2: about it should be both short sleeved and long sleeved.

1557
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 2: But you were so great to put that together and

1558
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 2: we're so grateful.

1559
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 12: Oh my gosh, I'm so happy you guys loved it.

1560
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:41,719
Speaker 12: I was like, you know what, I had this idea.

1561
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 12: And I was talking to my boyfriend because he makes shirts,

1562
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 12: so I said, you know, can you make me a

1563
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 12: shirt that says allegedly allegedly allegedly and add you know,

1564
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 12: crime scene taped to it? So he came up with

1565
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 12: a crew ideas, yes, the caution tape. So I was like,

1566
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 12: you know what, let me just send it and see

1567
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 12: if those you know and you guys did And I

1568
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:06,440
Speaker 12: was like, oh, I'm definitely fan grooming right now.

1569
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 2: Fan girling over you, Samantha. Yeah, it's awesome. So we're

1570
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 2: gonna order then, can we and your boyfriend we've been

1571
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 2: like a little off the rails and I we apologize.

1572
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 2: We're like emotionally so spent. I feel like we're all

1573
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 2: emotionally all over the place. But it's such a joy

1574
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 2: that have you here. So does your boyfriend make these

1575
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 2: t shirts? Because then we'll order them from him.

1576
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 12: Yes, yep, he's actually getting a website together so it

1577
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 12: can be ordered right off the site. But yeah, I

1578
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,719
Speaker 12: can actually when that's finished, I can send you guys

1579
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 12: through your Instagram page and send you all the details.

1580
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't even need the website. We'll just like

1581
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 3: order some in bulk.

1582
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:51,759
Speaker 2: You know, so we can give them to some callers

1583
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 2: please to help the cause.

1584
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 12: Yeah, that would be great, even if we can do

1585
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 12: like you said, mugs or coffee like coffee mugs.

1586
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 7: Or you know.

1587
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I love it. We thought we had a

1588
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 2: big idea, but allegedly, allegedly, allegedly you made the deal happen.

1589
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 3: So nice job.

1590
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 12: Every time you say allegedly allegedly allegedly, it like scratches

1591
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 12: my brain. It sounds so good.

1592
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 2: Well, and what is life like for you in New Jersey?

1593
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,719
Speaker 2: We've been talking about such dark things. Tell us something

1594
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 2: happy and bright. What's life like for you in New Jersey?

1595
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 3: Oh?

1596
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 12: Life is good, you know, just working coming home. The

1597
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:47,639
Speaker 12: weather is still the weather is still good. But yeah,

1598
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 12: life is good.

1599
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 12: I'm looking to you guys every morning, every afternoon.

1601
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 3: Samantha.

1602
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 2: By the way, I just so I grow both of us.

1603
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 2: Actually no, also, yeah, coast kids. And I had never

1604
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:08,680
Speaker 2: been to Hoboken, but I went last time I was

1605
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 2: back east. And I don't know how near Hoboken you

1606
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 2: are if you're far from the city, but man, what

1607
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 2: a great town it is.

1608
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:20,560
Speaker 12: Yeah, Hoboken is Hoboken is beautiful. I don't know like

1609
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 12: an hour from Hoboken.

1610
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, is it real great?

1611
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 12: I'm yeah, yes, I'm closer to six Flags.

1612
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 5: Oh my god.

1613
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's every year, every year, after the prom.

1614
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 3: Every year. That's what happened sixth grade. I don't know why.

1615
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 2: It's a tradition. You go to your school prom or

1616
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 2: your junior prom, and then after that we go to

1617
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:47,799
Speaker 2: six Flags Sunday after the prom, and it's the greatest

1618
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 2: six Flags ever.

1619
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 3: And it's the greatest six Flags ever. Dare I say it? There?

1620
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 5: I said it? Claim yeah, thinking of you said it,

1621
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 5: it's true. I believe it's well.

1622
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 12: I didn't want to see a quick shout out to Taha,

1623
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 12: Sam and Adam.

1624
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we to.

1625
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 5: The text is in the mail. I'm mailing it right now.

1626
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:19,640
Speaker 5: Thank you, happen. I appreciate it.

1627
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 12: Thanks for the sure.

1628
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 3: I know.

1629
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 5: I can't wait to wear.

1630
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:24,640
Speaker 10: We're going to take a picture of it once we

1631
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 10: get them and send that to you so you can

1632
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 10: see how you inspired us to wear.

1633
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 5: The new allegedly allegedly line of clothing.

1634
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, the official true crime tonight swag. I'm into

1635
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 2: it finally at last, all right, Well, we're creating a

1636
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 2: movement here, thank you for making a smile and giggle

1637
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 2: and laugh at it seemed like a very really tough

1638
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 2: start in a really awful day for all of us.

1639
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 3: So thank you for bringing the light to us.

1640
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 12: Of course, and thank you guys every day.

1641
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 3: Oh you have to come, Samantha. We'll see you soon.

1642
01:29:56,600 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 12: Take care, Samantha, already, take care.

1643
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 3: I love the name Samantha too, and she has the

1644
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,680
Speaker 3: best voice. Yeah, that was my.

1645
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 2: I wanted that to be my name, so bad girling

1646
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 2: name because then I could go by Sam.

1647
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. I used to have my Oh, it was a

1648
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:15,720
Speaker 3: whole thing. I used to like ask.

1649
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my like make believe name when I

1650
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 2: was a little kid.

1651
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 5: And to God, the name. We all have secrets.

1652
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 2: Listen, Sam, Hey, Samantha, thank you for that such a

1653
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 2: you know, listen. We are sending so much love in

1654
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:37,839
Speaker 2: peace out there. Our hearts are with the victims tonight.

1655
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:40,879
Speaker 2: We will be back tomorrow, so thank you for listening

1656
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 2: and being with us. Stay safe. This is true crime tonight.

1657
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 2: We've been talking true crime all the time.