Speaker 1: Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shonda land Audio in
Speaker 1: partnership with I Heart Radio. The world to an end
Speaker 1: shall come in eighteen hundred and eighty one, at least
Speaker 1: that's what mother Ship didn't claimed would happen. But we know,
Speaker 1: of course that the world did not end in eight
Speaker 1: So was she the talented seer that people thought she was?
Speaker 1: Welcome to Criminalia. I'm Maria Tremarqui and I'm Holly Fry.
Speaker 1: And this story unfolds in Naresborough, along the River Nid
Speaker 1: in North Yorkshire, England. There are a few interesting things
Speaker 1: about this area. It is said to have inspired Weathering Heights.
Speaker 1: There are also rumors of hobgoblins living in the North
Speaker 1: York Moors, and it's famous for its story about four
Speaker 1: nights Hugh de Morville, Reginald Fitzer's, William de Tracy and
Speaker 1: Richard Lebrette, who am assassins when they murdered a man
Speaker 1: named Thomas Beckett. Beckett was the Archbishop of Canterbury and
Speaker 1: the men were under the impression they were carrying out
Speaker 1: King Henry the Second's orders. Guilty, they fled to Naresborough Castle,
Speaker 1: where their self imposed imprisonment is said to have lasted
Speaker 1: a year, and that's important because it said that they
Speaker 1: just might be the most notorious persons of Nearesborough, but
Speaker 1: that also might not be true. The village is also
Speaker 1: known for its notorious witch, a woman named Ursula Southeal.
Speaker 1: Ursula was born in or about four It was believed
Speaker 1: by locals that she was the child of the union
Speaker 1: between a fifteen year old orphaned girl named Agatha south
Speaker 1: El and the devil. Agatha never did reveal who the
Speaker 1: actual father was, even when she was forced to appear
Speaker 1: in front of the local magistrate. Legend has it that
Speaker 1: she delivered Ursula during a violent thunderstorm in a cave
Speaker 1: on the bank of the river in Narborough. Some accounts
Speaker 1: among the villagers said that the baby cackle instead of
Speaker 1: crying at birth. Agatha, as we just said, was just
Speaker 1: a teenager without any family to support her and this
Speaker 1: newborn infant, and the villagers believing that she was in
Speaker 1: league with the devil. Certainly we're not stepping up to
Speaker 1: offer assistance. For two years, Agatha raised her daughter in
Speaker 1: the cave that she gave birth in, until the Abbot
Speaker 1: of Beverly finally intervened. Ursula was taken in as a
Speaker 1: foster child by a local family. Agatha was placed in
Speaker 1: the convent of the Order of St. Bridget, where she
Speaker 1: remained until her death. The mother and daughter never saw
Speaker 1: each other again. Ursula was considered an unusual kid, both
Speaker 1: in how she looked and in her nature, and she
Speaker 1: usually stuck close to home because of that. A lot
Speaker 1: is written of her appearance, and we'll also have a
Speaker 1: lot to say about that as well. It was written
Speaker 1: that she had a large and crooked nose, a large head,
Speaker 1: sunken cheeks, a bent back or maybe a hunchback, and
Speaker 1: that her legs were twisted. The locals described her as
Speaker 1: having glowing eyes and that she had been born with
Speaker 1: a full set of teeth. They called her by cruel
Speaker 1: nicknames such as hag Face and Devil's Bastard. Unfortunately, hag
Speaker 1: Face did kind of stick. When the teasing and mockery
Speaker 1: from the local villagers became too much to bear, Ursula
Speaker 1: spent her time in the forest near the cave that
Speaker 1: had once been her home, studying flowers and herbs and
Speaker 1: how to make remedies and potions with them. When Ursula
Speaker 1: was twenty four years old, so this would put Us
Speaker 1: in the early fifteen hundreds, now right around fifteen twelve,
Speaker 1: if that year of birth is correct, she met a
Speaker 1: man named Tobias shipped In. Tobias or Toby, as some
Speaker 1: sources referred to him, was a carpenter and he was
Speaker 1: originally from the city of York, and the two married,
Speaker 1: but Toby died just a few years in to the marriage.
Speaker 1: We do not know the circumstances surrounding this loss. It
Speaker 1: said that this pair had a really happy and comfortable marriage,
Speaker 1: and that Toby supported Ursula's special gifts he was proud
Speaker 1: of his wife. After his death, Ursula kept the name
Speaker 1: shipped In, and she became popularly known as Mother Shipton
Speaker 1: as she aged. When they married, locals thought she must
Speaker 1: have bewitched Toby with love potions because Ursula was not
Speaker 1: considered a good catch, and when he died they whispered
Speaker 1: that she must have killed him. On that irritating note,
Speaker 1: We're going to take a break for a word from
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Speaker 1: into whether or not Ursula was a reputable oracle. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to Criminalia. This is the time in her story
Speaker 1: when Ursula begins to predict the future. In addition to
Speaker 1: cultivating herbs and providing remedies and minor spells. Ursula, it
Speaker 1: turned out, had a gift. In addition to the healing
Speaker 1: that she had been practicing all those years. It is
Speaker 1: said that she became what's known in English lore as
Speaker 1: a soothsayer. She was able to predict the future, and
Speaker 1: she became known as nares Borough's Prophetess. Ursula began with
Speaker 1: small premonitions, but with growing confidence, she became perhaps the
Speaker 1: greatest fortune teller in England's history, and maybe of all
Speaker 1: time anywhere, depending on who you ask. Just don't ask Nostrodamus,
Speaker 1: because she would not have been in his premonitions, because
Speaker 1: the two of them were contemporaries. Once Ursula became a
Speaker 1: confident clairvoyant, it was a big deal to the locals,
Speaker 1: and that's because she was surprisingly or at least allegedly
Speaker 1: surprisingly accurate. At least she was accurate according to her lore,
Speaker 1: and allegedly she foretold some pretty big events. For example,
Speaker 1: she predicted the Great Fire of London, which happened in
Speaker 1: sixteen sixty six, that's roughly one years after Ursula's death.
Speaker 1: One of her premonitions about this was the following quote.
Speaker 1: A time shall happen when a ship shall come sailing
Speaker 1: up the Thames till it come against London, and the
Speaker 1: master of the ship shall weep, And the mariners of
Speaker 1: the ship shall ask him why he weeps, since he
Speaker 1: hath made so good a voyage, And he shall say, ah,
Speaker 1: what a goodly city. This was none in the world
Speaker 1: comparable to it. And now there is scarce left, and
Speaker 1: the house that can let us have a drink for
Speaker 1: our money. She allegedly predicted the defeat of Spain's so
Speaker 1: called invincible Armada by an English naval force in eight
Speaker 1: and she allegedly predicted the fates of some among the
Speaker 1: royal and aristocratic families, including the execution of Mary, Queen
Speaker 1: of Scott's. She allegedly predicted when the bubonic plague would
Speaker 1: erupt in London as well. So here's something funny. We
Speaker 1: have read speculation that Shipton also predicted the Internet when
Speaker 1: she said quote, around the world, men's thoughts will fly
Speaker 1: quick as the twinkling of an eye. But of course,
Speaker 1: come on, that's not true. We all know, uh. Former
Speaker 1: Vice President Al Gore created the Internet. True? Okay, okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: We're don't say that, Brianno. We're kidding. Perhaps Ursula did
Speaker 1: foresee the now fairly famous computer scientist Robert Kahn, Vince Surf,
Speaker 1: and Tim Burners Lee changing the way humanity interacts through technology.
Speaker 1: Seems unlikely she would have comprehended if she had such
Speaker 1: a vision, but we will never know, And that's really
Speaker 1: the tricky part of her legacy. All of her predictions
Speaker 1: were matters of interpretation, and in most of those cases
Speaker 1: they don't really make sense until after the fact, when
Speaker 1: you can look back and kind of work out how
Speaker 1: something she said could be applicable to an event that
Speaker 1: had taken place. Right. That's like the key to all
Speaker 1: of our historical soothsayers is going, wait, this kind of
Speaker 1: does describe a thing that happened later, But that's because
Speaker 1: we have hindsight really loosely describes what happened, right, And
Speaker 1: we've read a lot of things associated with her premonitions. Actually,
Speaker 1: there are people that will say she predicted the arrival
Speaker 1: of cars on the scene, and even aviation from the
Speaker 1: reign of King James the First and the rise of
Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth, all kinds of things. The steam engine makes
Speaker 1: the list. It's hard to know what she did or
Speaker 1: did not foresee, but it is also very fun to
Speaker 1: indulge a bit and imagine her prophecies being real. She
Speaker 1: foretold of national and international events, and as people began
Speaker 1: to believe that she had in fact been predicting the future,
Speaker 1: suddenly the spotlight turned to the shunned woman the locals
Speaker 1: new as hag Face. Perhaps her best known prophecy was
Speaker 1: local and was regarding the Cardinal Wolsey. The Cardinal had
Speaker 1: never actually visited York. He had spent all of his
Speaker 1: time involved with the ongoings in London, but due to
Speaker 1: unrest in the city, he finally planned his trip in
Speaker 1: fifte Mother Shipton's name appears in a pamphlet from sixteen
Speaker 1: forty one, which is of course a bit after her life,
Speaker 1: but it is also one of the earliest surviving records
Speaker 1: we have of her. That pamphlet called the Prophecy of
Speaker 1: Mother Shipton in the Reign of King Henry the Eighth.
Speaker 1: It describes the prophecy made by Mother Shipton about English
Speaker 1: statesman and one of the chief advisors to King Henry
Speaker 1: the Eighth, the Cardinal Thomas Woolsey, Ursula, in regard to
Speaker 1: his upcoming visitation, foretold the Cardinal would see York, but
Speaker 1: that they had never actually set foot there, and the
Speaker 1: Cardinal didn't officially accuse her of treason for the vision
Speaker 1: she spoke of. But the pamphlet also describes how he
Speaker 1: dispatched three men to issue this warning to Ursula, and
Speaker 1: we quote she said that Cardinal Wolsey should never come
Speaker 1: to York with the King, and the Cardinal, hearing, being angry,
Speaker 1: sent the Duke of Suffolk, the Lord Piercy, and the
Speaker 1: Lord Darcy to her that prophecy. Well, it came to
Speaker 1: pass Wolsey, approaching York and close enough to see the city,
Speaker 1: did not make it there. King Henry the Eighth recalled
Speaker 1: the Cardinal to London, and then he died during the
Speaker 1: return trip. It didn't end there between Henry the Eighth
Speaker 1: and Ursula. In fifteen thirty seven, the King, who had
Speaker 1: been repeatedly named in Ursula's prophecies, wrote a letter to
Speaker 1: the Duke of Norfolk in which he mentions a quote
Speaker 1: which of York, which experts believe is likely a reference
Speaker 1: to Ursula. We're going to take a break here from
Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor. And when we're back, we
Speaker 1: will talk about why some scholars actually think Mother Shipton
Speaker 1: is fictional. Welcome back to Criminalia. Let's talk about why
Speaker 1: some of Mother's Shipton's prophecies are probably not hers. Mother Shipton,
Speaker 1: as you may have been thinking based on our descriptions earlier,
Speaker 1: kind of became the stereotype for today's disfigured bad complexion,
Speaker 1: which but the evidence evidence, such as portraits of her,
Speaker 1: suggests that that description might be pretty exaggerated. Holly's right,
Speaker 1: this really may have been the case. A woodcut and
Speaker 1: a few portraits that we've seen of her illustrate Ursula
Speaker 1: as a very plain tutor woman, but she has not
Speaker 1: seen with what we can that are, which like attributes
Speaker 1: the stereotypical visible warts and a hooked nose. She kind
Speaker 1: of looks a lot like a tired grandmother. Fabulous, She
Speaker 1: looks like someone you'd love to sit and have teas.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really not until pamphlets that were produced
Speaker 1: after sixteen forty one where we start to see Ursula
Speaker 1: turn into what we would consider a caricature or a
Speaker 1: stereotype of a witch. Warts and all in the strange
Speaker 1: and wonderful History of Mother Shipton of six, Ursula was
Speaker 1: described as quote long but very big boned, great goggling eyes,
Speaker 1: very sharp and fiery, a nose of unproportionable length, having
Speaker 1: in it many crooks and turnings, adorned with great pimples, which,
Speaker 1: like vapors of brimstone, gave such a luster in the
Speaker 1: night that her nurse needed no other candle to dress
Speaker 1: her by. I hope someone describes me that colorful one day.
Speaker 1: In sixteen sixty seven, novelist Richard had published The Life
Speaker 1: and Death of Mother Ship Din, which was full of
Speaker 1: descriptions and illustrations of Ursula, in which she appeared haggard
Speaker 1: and possibly as a woman living with some kind of
Speaker 1: physical disability. Other descriptions really went all out and included
Speaker 1: details about her having bore like tusks where her teeth
Speaker 1: should be get in mind. So those writings were composed
Speaker 1: more than a century after her death, They were not
Speaker 1: written by anyone who knew her personally, and they do
Speaker 1: seem a little bit light on the fact checking, but
Speaker 1: they did cement, in many ways the prototype of what
Speaker 1: a witch in Western culture looked like. These descriptions are
Speaker 1: awfully close to the graphics we still see today on
Speaker 1: Halloween decorations and Nathan in cartoons. By seventeen hundred, when
Speaker 1: the witchcraft fever that had spread across England began to subside,
Speaker 1: descriptions and illustrations of Mothership in his appearance also began
Speaker 1: to be toned down. Her nose was softened and those
Speaker 1: swarts and pimples were removed. Drawings of her began to
Speaker 1: show her with scrolls rather than with the witches familiar.
Speaker 1: She started to be referred to as a prophetess. Ursula,
Speaker 1: unlike most, if not all, of the witches we've talked
Speaker 1: about so far this season, was not burned at the stake,
Speaker 1: as a witch's execution would have been normad a sword
Speaker 1: or however many execution styles you can think of. Persula
Speaker 1: died of natural causes, but because she was believed to
Speaker 1: possess supernatural powers, she was buried outside of the boundaries
Speaker 1: of York on holy ground. In one when she passed away,
Speaker 1: a stone was erected about a mile from the city
Speaker 1: of York, from which the following quote is taken. Here
Speaker 1: lies she who never lied, whose skill often has been tried.
Speaker 1: Her prophecies shall still survive and ever keep her name alive.
Speaker 1: The details of earth life are centuries old and are
Speaker 1: really surely speculative. Her appearance, at least mostly is surely conjecture,
Speaker 1: but the predictions that have been attributed to her were
Speaker 1: widely accepted as reliable at the time. Some scholars have
Speaker 1: argued that Mother Shipton is fictional. Why well, mainly because
Speaker 1: there are many differing versions of her prophecies, different prophecies
Speaker 1: and from differing years. The first publication of her prophecies
Speaker 1: doesn't even appear until sixteen forty one, so that's eighty
Speaker 1: years after what we think is the date of her death.
Speaker 1: It contains mostly local and regional predictions. You're not going
Speaker 1: to find the premonition of the Black death in that one.
Speaker 1: Another version, printed in eighteen sixty two, was edited by
Speaker 1: a man named Charles Hindley, who later admitted that he
Speaker 1: had extended the book with his own writings and had
Speaker 1: tried to make them say own as though they did
Speaker 1: belong to Ursula. Ursula did not actually predict that the
Speaker 1: world was going to end in eight eight one. That
Speaker 1: was Charles's work, But not everyone feels she was a
Speaker 1: work of fiction. Many argue she was a real person,
Speaker 1: but that her story was likely embellished through local tradition,
Speaker 1: turning her into a folk legend over the years. According
Speaker 1: to historian Arnold Kellett in his study Mothership Didn't Which
Speaker 1: in Prophetess, the pamphlet, although published after her death, is
Speaker 1: and I'll quote him, historically convincing that Ursula was a
Speaker 1: real person. And that's because he continues, if she was
Speaker 1: at work of fiction, the story of her prophecies would
Speaker 1: surely have been more sensational and mythical than what they
Speaker 1: actually were. It's an interesting It is an interesting take
Speaker 1: because in many instances I feel that he might be right,
Speaker 1: whether she was fictional, real, or something in between. Ursula's
Speaker 1: name has very much been kept alive, and in some
Speaker 1: surprising ways. First, there is a moth named for the
Speaker 1: alleged appearance of her profile on its wings. Its scientific
Speaker 1: name is Cali's Tea May, but it's known as the
Speaker 1: mother shipt in moth that was classified by Swedish entomologist
Speaker 1: Carl Alexander Clerk in seventeen fifty nine. And Second, today,
Speaker 1: Naresborough is famous for its mineral springs and spots. It's
Speaker 1: also famous for introducing the world to pause for a
Speaker 1: second bed racing with Great Narrasboro Bed Race, where teams
Speaker 1: run and swim a really difficult about two and a
Speaker 1: half mile course while carrying beds and passengers. It's also
Speaker 1: famous for the cave where Ursula is said to have
Speaker 1: been born. That cave is now called Mother Shipton's Cave
Speaker 1: and it's one of England's oldest tourist attractions. A place
Speaker 1: called the Petrifying Well is also nearby the cave, and
Speaker 1: it was believed during Ursula's lifetime could turn things into
Speaker 1: and I mean quote this stone. So about that stone.
Speaker 1: What's really going on here in this well has to
Speaker 1: do with the wells unusually high mineral content that can
Speaker 1: make an object appear to be stone, like if you
Speaker 1: soak it in that water for a few months. But
Speaker 1: to Ursula's contemporaries, it sure did look like stone. So
Speaker 1: together today the cave and the well now have a
Speaker 1: gift shop, a picnic area and other attractions associated with
Speaker 1: it and Mother Shipton. I'm ready to book a trip.
Speaker 1: I know, I hear. It's lovely. I think it was
Speaker 1: really great that we did not end a story with
Speaker 1: an execution. So let's toast to that. What do you
Speaker 1: have for us today? Yeah, come over and stamp by
Speaker 1: the cauldron. I'm brewing a thing. I cannot tell you
Speaker 1: exactly why I wanted to name it what I named it,
Speaker 1: but I really just this is the only thing that
Speaker 1: kept coming to mind, and it made me laugh so
Speaker 1: hard that I was like, that's that's it. It's called
Speaker 1: hag juice. Just hag juice. You want to mix up
Speaker 1: about of juice? This one is actually a drink that
Speaker 1: I think any of our listeners who like things a
Speaker 1: little less sweet might enjoy. I know my proclivity with
Speaker 1: a lot of my drinks is to essentially make cake
Speaker 1: and a glass like I tend to go very much
Speaker 1: towards the sweet side of the spectrum, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to make something that's called juice but is not what
Speaker 1: we would think of when we think of with juice,
Speaker 1: which is like high fruit content and a lot of sugar.
Speaker 1: It's not like that at all. I appreciate this because
Speaker 1: I tend to not like a real sugary, fruity drink,
Speaker 1: So right, you might love this. And I also was
Speaker 1: just trying to think about ingredients that one would associate with,
Speaker 1: you know, predictions and soothsaying, and one of them. This
Speaker 1: is a thing. It literally is just me taking the
Speaker 1: most literal association of two words together because I thought
Speaker 1: about sage and like that coming with a sense of wisdom.
Speaker 1: And then I thought, ha ha, what if I do
Speaker 1: a twist on a mohedo where we don't use mint
Speaker 1: and we use sage instead. Isn't that interesting? I was
Speaker 1: in direction. I was not expecting that we were going
Speaker 1: to go again. Please continue right listen, hag juice is
Speaker 1: full of surprises, as it should be, and there is
Speaker 1: something kind of fabulous that happens here. What's I'll described
Speaker 1: and it it ended up being very perfect for what
Speaker 1: I was going for. So this is super simple. It's
Speaker 1: it's like a mohedo. There are some ingredients that are
Speaker 1: shifted a little bit. So you're going to take several
Speaker 1: sage leaves. Mine were quite large, so I used like
Speaker 1: three largely eaves. If you're are smaller, just add some more.
Speaker 1: You can't get a wrong number in there. Tear them
Speaker 1: up a little, throw them in your your cocktail shaker
Speaker 1: with three quarters of an ounce of simple syrup. Give
Speaker 1: that a little muddle you know, press it, press those
Speaker 1: leaves so they release that beautiful sage scent um their oils,
Speaker 1: and then throw in some ice. You're gonna add three
Speaker 1: quarters of an ounce of lemon juice, one and a
Speaker 1: half ounces of a very dark rum, not necessarily a
Speaker 1: spice rump, but just a very dark rum, which usually
Speaker 1: do have some spice, and then you're gonna shake that
Speaker 1: with ice, and I mean you're gonna shake it because
Speaker 1: you really want to get that sage all up in
Speaker 1: that rum's business, like you really want to like make
Speaker 1: them together. And then you will strain that over fresh
Speaker 1: ice and top it with club soda and garnish it
Speaker 1: with a sprig of sage um. I will tell you.
Speaker 1: So there's some obvious shifts from a regular mohedo other
Speaker 1: than the mint. Normally a mohedo would use lime juice.
Speaker 1: Did this with lime juice, no bueno. It was like
Speaker 1: it was having a fight in my mouth. It was
Speaker 1: not cool. It was just too many sharp flavors. And
Speaker 1: the lemon just played way better with the sage. And
Speaker 1: usually you would use a clear rum for a mohito
Speaker 1: and not a dark rum. Because what happens is this
Speaker 1: does kind of look a little dirty, like it's got
Speaker 1: kind of a brownish color. It's not it's not like
Speaker 1: a bright looking drink, like even though it's fine. I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't look scary. It just looks it's a dark, cloudy,
Speaker 1: kind of muddy looking drink in the cauldron. It's in
Speaker 1: the cauldron. This is what drinks in the cauldron for.
Speaker 1: I don't wash the cauldron every time. It's the secret
Speaker 1: to great flavor. What are you retired Navy? So the
Speaker 1: thing that becomes really interesting, and it's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons that the lemon juice worked better than the lime
Speaker 1: juice is that it tastes interesting, but the taste is
Speaker 1: very light, and it's like all of those flavors merge
Speaker 1: in such a way where none of them is really
Speaker 1: the dominant tone. You just kind of get this bright,
Speaker 1: clear flavor, which to me was kind of wonderful because
Speaker 1: then you associate that with the clarity one would need
Speaker 1: to have visions of the future. It's a really surprising
Speaker 1: and interesting sip. I liked it quite a bit, I
Speaker 1: must confess. Even though it does not take tastes like
Speaker 1: cake in a glans, it has an herb in it.
Speaker 1: There's something green in my drink. I'm okay with greenery
Speaker 1: in a in a bivage, but I had not muddled.
Speaker 1: I had not muddled sage before this, so that was
Speaker 1: kind of fun. And the thing is too, if you
Speaker 1: like a stiffer drink, this is really easy to um
Speaker 1: to bump it up. You literally just go from three
Speaker 1: quarters of announce on the simple syrup in the limit
Speaker 1: juice to an ounce apiece, go from one and a
Speaker 1: half ounces of rump to two. You're basically just doing
Speaker 1: a two part one part situation and you'll keep that
Speaker 1: same balance in proportion that way. Again, drink responsibly. Don't
Speaker 1: go much higher than that then just getting silly. If
Speaker 1: you want to do a mock tail version of this,
Speaker 1: the only thing you need to sub out is that rum.
Speaker 1: There are a few options you can go with here.
Speaker 1: You could do that with a soda, but you obviously
Speaker 1: don't want to shake it. Like a dark cola works
Speaker 1: great in that taste a little bit different obviously because
Speaker 1: there is then a much sweeter profile to it. You
Speaker 1: can also do like a um An herbal tea that
Speaker 1: has a lot of depth to it. I don't know
Speaker 1: that I would do a black tea. I would do
Speaker 1: something else like that's interesting, like even a red maybe
Speaker 1: in there or something. But other than that, it's it's
Speaker 1: the same stuff. A little sage in your in your
Speaker 1: drink is always fun. I hope if you make this
Speaker 1: you enjoy it and you have clarity and see the
Speaker 1: future and that it's beautiful, that it is not if
Speaker 1: it's if it's it's not that maybe don't tell me,
Speaker 1: but we don't tweet about that part. You don't. We
Speaker 1: don't share those bad visions. No, hopefully you just have
Speaker 1: visions of deliciousness. Who doesn't want that. We will be
Speaker 1: right back here next week with another visit to the Cauldron,
Speaker 1: and we hope you will join us. Thanks so much.
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