WEBVTT - Did Mother Shipton Predict the Internet? 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:06.400 Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shonda land Audio in 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:15.680 partnership with I Heart Radio. The world to an end 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:19.520 shall come in eighteen hundred and eighty one, at least 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.479 that's what mother Ship didn't claimed would happen. But we know, 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:25.040 of course that the world did not end in eight 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:29.840 So was she the talented seer that people thought she was? 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:35.120 Welcome to Criminalia. I'm Maria Tremarqui and I'm Holly Fry. 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.880 And this story unfolds in Naresborough, along the River Nid 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:42.720 in North Yorkshire, England. There are a few interesting things 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:46.680 about this area. It is said to have inspired Weathering Heights. 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:50.520 There are also rumors of hobgoblins living in the North 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:54.480 York Moors, and it's famous for its story about four 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:58.480 nights Hugh de Morville, Reginald Fitzer's, William de Tracy and 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.959 Richard Lebrette, who am assassins when they murdered a man 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:06.200 named Thomas Beckett. Beckett was the Archbishop of Canterbury and 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.759 the men were under the impression they were carrying out 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:13.480 King Henry the Second's orders. Guilty, they fled to Naresborough Castle, 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:17.400 where their self imposed imprisonment is said to have lasted 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:21.040 a year, and that's important because it said that they 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:25.039 just might be the most notorious persons of Nearesborough, but 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.720 that also might not be true. The village is also 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:33.520 known for its notorious witch, a woman named Ursula Southeal. 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:39.240 Ursula was born in or about four It was believed 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:41.800 by locals that she was the child of the union 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:45.199 between a fifteen year old orphaned girl named Agatha south 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:49.200 El and the devil. Agatha never did reveal who the 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:52.280 actual father was, even when she was forced to appear 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.680 in front of the local magistrate. Legend has it that 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:59.400 she delivered Ursula during a violent thunderstorm in a cave 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:03.320 on the bank of the river in Narborough. Some accounts 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.040 among the villagers said that the baby cackle instead of 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.720 crying at birth. Agatha, as we just said, was just 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:13.000 a teenager without any family to support her and this 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.880 newborn infant, and the villagers believing that she was in 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.760 league with the devil. Certainly we're not stepping up to 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:24.200 offer assistance. For two years, Agatha raised her daughter in 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.200 the cave that she gave birth in, until the Abbot 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:31.720 of Beverly finally intervened. Ursula was taken in as a 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:35.760 foster child by a local family. Agatha was placed in 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.040 the convent of the Order of St. Bridget, where she 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:41.760 remained until her death. The mother and daughter never saw 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:47.079 each other again. Ursula was considered an unusual kid, both 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.360 in how she looked and in her nature, and she 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.919 usually stuck close to home because of that. A lot 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.760 is written of her appearance, and we'll also have a 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:59.360 lot to say about that as well. It was written 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.520 that she had a large and crooked nose, a large head, 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:06.400 sunken cheeks, a bent back or maybe a hunchback, and 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:10.040 that her legs were twisted. The locals described her as 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.799 having glowing eyes and that she had been born with 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.200 a full set of teeth. They called her by cruel 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:22.400 nicknames such as hag Face and Devil's Bastard. Unfortunately, hag 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:26.280 Face did kind of stick. When the teasing and mockery 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.080 from the local villagers became too much to bear, Ursula 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.079 spent her time in the forest near the cave that 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.679 had once been her home, studying flowers and herbs and 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:38.560 how to make remedies and potions with them. When Ursula 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.200 was twenty four years old, so this would put Us 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:44.680 in the early fifteen hundreds, now right around fifteen twelve, 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.560 if that year of birth is correct, she met a 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.320 man named Tobias shipped In. Tobias or Toby, as some 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:54.600 sources referred to him, was a carpenter and he was 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.760 originally from the city of York, and the two married, 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.680 but Toby died just a few years in to the marriage. 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.880 We do not know the circumstances surrounding this loss. It 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.440 said that this pair had a really happy and comfortable marriage, 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:12.240 and that Toby supported Ursula's special gifts he was proud 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:15.560 of his wife. After his death, Ursula kept the name 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.640 shipped In, and she became popularly known as Mother Shipton 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:22.680 as she aged. When they married, locals thought she must 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:26.279 have bewitched Toby with love potions because Ursula was not 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:30.880 considered a good catch, and when he died they whispered 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:35.279 that she must have killed him. On that irritating note, 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:37.960 We're going to take a break for a word from 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.920 our sponsor, and when we return we will get more 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:53.240 into whether or not Ursula was a reputable oracle. Welcome 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.480 back to Criminalia. This is the time in her story 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:01.919 when Ursula begins to predict the future. In addition to 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:06.240 cultivating herbs and providing remedies and minor spells. Ursula, it 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.599 turned out, had a gift. In addition to the healing 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.680 that she had been practicing all those years. It is 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.280 said that she became what's known in English lore as 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:19.719 a soothsayer. She was able to predict the future, and 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:24.279 she became known as nares Borough's Prophetess. Ursula began with 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:28.520 small premonitions, but with growing confidence, she became perhaps the 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:32.479 greatest fortune teller in England's history, and maybe of all 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:37.440 time anywhere, depending on who you ask. Just don't ask Nostrodamus, 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.839 because she would not have been in his premonitions, because 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:47.120 the two of them were contemporaries. Once Ursula became a 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:51.640 confident clairvoyant, it was a big deal to the locals, 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.719 and that's because she was surprisingly or at least allegedly 0:05:55.800 --> 0:06:00.520 surprisingly accurate. At least she was accurate according to her lore, 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:05.839 and allegedly she foretold some pretty big events. For example, 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:08.640 she predicted the Great Fire of London, which happened in 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:12.960 sixteen sixty six, that's roughly one years after Ursula's death. 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:17.480 One of her premonitions about this was the following quote. 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.679 A time shall happen when a ship shall come sailing 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:24.080 up the Thames till it come against London, and the 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:26.839 master of the ship shall weep, And the mariners of 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:30.000 the ship shall ask him why he weeps, since he 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:33.960 hath made so good a voyage, And he shall say, ah, 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.240 what a goodly city. This was none in the world 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.800 comparable to it. And now there is scarce left, and 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.280 the house that can let us have a drink for 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:48.039 our money. She allegedly predicted the defeat of Spain's so 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:52.560 called invincible Armada by an English naval force in eight 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:56.120 and she allegedly predicted the fates of some among the 0:06:56.240 --> 0:07:00.520 royal and aristocratic families, including the execution of Mary, Queen 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:05.760 of Scott's. She allegedly predicted when the bubonic plague would 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:10.840 erupt in London as well. So here's something funny. We 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.960 have read speculation that Shipton also predicted the Internet when 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.600 she said quote, around the world, men's thoughts will fly 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.320 quick as the twinkling of an eye. But of course, 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.960 come on, that's not true. We all know, uh. Former 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:32.560 Vice President Al Gore created the Internet. True? Okay, okay, Okay, 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:39.240 We're don't say that, Brianno. We're kidding. Perhaps Ursula did 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:44.720 foresee the now fairly famous computer scientist Robert Kahn, Vince Surf, 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:48.800 and Tim Burners Lee changing the way humanity interacts through technology. 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.240 Seems unlikely she would have comprehended if she had such 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:56.160 a vision, but we will never know, And that's really 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.600 the tricky part of her legacy. All of her predictions 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:03.080 were matters of interpretation, and in most of those cases 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.840 they don't really make sense until after the fact, when 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:08.920 you can look back and kind of work out how 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.600 something she said could be applicable to an event that 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:15.880 had taken place. Right. That's like the key to all 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:19.400 of our historical soothsayers is going, wait, this kind of 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.400 does describe a thing that happened later, But that's because 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:29.800 we have hindsight really loosely describes what happened, right, And 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.680 we've read a lot of things associated with her premonitions. Actually, 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:38.960 there are people that will say she predicted the arrival 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:42.760 of cars on the scene, and even aviation from the 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.160 reign of King James the First and the rise of 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.520 Queen Elizabeth, all kinds of things. The steam engine makes 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.880 the list. It's hard to know what she did or 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.440 did not foresee, but it is also very fun to 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:58.480 indulge a bit and imagine her prophecies being real. She 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:02.120 foretold of national and international events, and as people began 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.679 to believe that she had in fact been predicting the future, 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.320 suddenly the spotlight turned to the shunned woman the locals 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:13.520 new as hag Face. Perhaps her best known prophecy was 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:17.640 local and was regarding the Cardinal Wolsey. The Cardinal had 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:21.360 never actually visited York. He had spent all of his 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:24.960 time involved with the ongoings in London, but due to 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.600 unrest in the city, he finally planned his trip in 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:33.800 fifte Mother Shipton's name appears in a pamphlet from sixteen 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.760 forty one, which is of course a bit after her life, 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.319 but it is also one of the earliest surviving records 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.840 we have of her. That pamphlet called the Prophecy of 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.760 Mother Shipton in the Reign of King Henry the Eighth. 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:50.040 It describes the prophecy made by Mother Shipton about English 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.680 statesman and one of the chief advisors to King Henry 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:57.480 the Eighth, the Cardinal Thomas Woolsey, Ursula, in regard to 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:02.200 his upcoming visitation, foretold the Cardinal would see York, but 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.880 that they had never actually set foot there, and the 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.559 Cardinal didn't officially accuse her of treason for the vision 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.600 she spoke of. But the pamphlet also describes how he 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:17.120 dispatched three men to issue this warning to Ursula, and 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:21.760 we quote she said that Cardinal Wolsey should never come 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.319 to York with the King, and the Cardinal, hearing, being angry, 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:29.080 sent the Duke of Suffolk, the Lord Piercy, and the 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:33.640 Lord Darcy to her that prophecy. Well, it came to 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:38.800 pass Wolsey, approaching York and close enough to see the city, 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.920 did not make it there. King Henry the Eighth recalled 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:44.600 the Cardinal to London, and then he died during the 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:48.160 return trip. It didn't end there between Henry the Eighth 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:52.480 and Ursula. In fifteen thirty seven, the King, who had 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:56.320 been repeatedly named in Ursula's prophecies, wrote a letter to 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.760 the Duke of Norfolk in which he mentions a quote 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:03.040 which of York, which experts believe is likely a reference 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:07.160 to Ursula. We're going to take a break here from 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.680 a word from our sponsor. And when we're back, we 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:13.240 will talk about why some scholars actually think Mother Shipton 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:24.520 is fictional. Welcome back to Criminalia. Let's talk about why 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:31.200 some of Mother's Shipton's prophecies are probably not hers. Mother Shipton, 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.679 as you may have been thinking based on our descriptions earlier, 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:39.480 kind of became the stereotype for today's disfigured bad complexion, 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:43.559 which but the evidence evidence, such as portraits of her, 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:48.800 suggests that that description might be pretty exaggerated. Holly's right, 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:51.560 this really may have been the case. A woodcut and 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.880 a few portraits that we've seen of her illustrate Ursula 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.880 as a very plain tutor woman, but she has not 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.000 seen with what we can that are, which like attributes 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:06.440 the stereotypical visible warts and a hooked nose. She kind 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:12.280 of looks a lot like a tired grandmother. Fabulous, She 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.040 looks like someone you'd love to sit and have teas. 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.880 I mean, it's really not until pamphlets that were produced 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:22.120 after sixteen forty one where we start to see Ursula 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.520 turn into what we would consider a caricature or a 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:30.280 stereotype of a witch. Warts and all in the strange 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:35.200 and wonderful History of Mother Shipton of six, Ursula was 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:40.560 described as quote long but very big boned, great goggling eyes, 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:46.160 very sharp and fiery, a nose of unproportionable length, having 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:50.240 in it many crooks and turnings, adorned with great pimples, which, 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.320 like vapors of brimstone, gave such a luster in the 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:56.800 night that her nurse needed no other candle to dress 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:01.199 her by. I hope someone describes me that colorful one day. 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:05.280 In sixteen sixty seven, novelist Richard had published The Life 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.760 and Death of Mother Ship Din, which was full of 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:11.760 descriptions and illustrations of Ursula, in which she appeared haggard 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.679 and possibly as a woman living with some kind of 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:19.720 physical disability. Other descriptions really went all out and included 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:23.840 details about her having bore like tusks where her teeth 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:28.080 should be get in mind. So those writings were composed 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:31.760 more than a century after her death, They were not 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:35.200 written by anyone who knew her personally, and they do 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.679 seem a little bit light on the fact checking, but 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.000 they did cement, in many ways the prototype of what 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.080 a witch in Western culture looked like. These descriptions are 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.560 awfully close to the graphics we still see today on 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:53.079 Halloween decorations and Nathan in cartoons. By seventeen hundred, when 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:56.839 the witchcraft fever that had spread across England began to subside, 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:01.480 descriptions and illustrations of Mothership in his appearance also began 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:05.240 to be toned down. Her nose was softened and those 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:09.320 swarts and pimples were removed. Drawings of her began to 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.600 show her with scrolls rather than with the witches familiar. 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:17.280 She started to be referred to as a prophetess. Ursula, 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.560 unlike most, if not all, of the witches we've talked 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.640 about so far this season, was not burned at the stake, 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.920 as a witch's execution would have been normad a sword 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:32.600 or however many execution styles you can think of. Persula 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:35.760 died of natural causes, but because she was believed to 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.880 possess supernatural powers, she was buried outside of the boundaries 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:44.760 of York on holy ground. In one when she passed away, 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:48.040 a stone was erected about a mile from the city 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:52.080 of York, from which the following quote is taken. Here 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:56.360 lies she who never lied, whose skill often has been tried. 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:01.400 Her prophecies shall still survive and ever keep her name alive. 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.640 The details of earth life are centuries old and are 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:12.280 really surely speculative. Her appearance, at least mostly is surely conjecture, 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.680 but the predictions that have been attributed to her were 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:20.920 widely accepted as reliable at the time. Some scholars have 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:25.600 argued that Mother Shipton is fictional. Why well, mainly because 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:30.280 there are many differing versions of her prophecies, different prophecies 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:34.840 and from differing years. The first publication of her prophecies 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:38.520 doesn't even appear until sixteen forty one, so that's eighty 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.160 years after what we think is the date of her death. 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:45.800 It contains mostly local and regional predictions. You're not going 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.400 to find the premonition of the Black death in that one. 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.440 Another version, printed in eighteen sixty two, was edited by 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.880 a man named Charles Hindley, who later admitted that he 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:59.040 had extended the book with his own writings and had 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.480 tried to make them say own as though they did 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:05.920 belong to Ursula. Ursula did not actually predict that the 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.200 world was going to end in eight eight one. That 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:13.680 was Charles's work, But not everyone feels she was a 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:17.200 work of fiction. Many argue she was a real person, 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.680 but that her story was likely embellished through local tradition, 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.600 turning her into a folk legend over the years. According 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:28.160 to historian Arnold Kellett in his study Mothership Didn't Which 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:32.440 in Prophetess, the pamphlet, although published after her death, is 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:36.720 and I'll quote him, historically convincing that Ursula was a 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.920 real person. And that's because he continues, if she was 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.440 at work of fiction, the story of her prophecies would 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.240 surely have been more sensational and mythical than what they 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:50.040 actually were. It's an interesting It is an interesting take 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.800 because in many instances I feel that he might be right, 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:59.600 whether she was fictional, real, or something in between. Ursula's 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.400 name has very much been kept alive, and in some 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:06.719 surprising ways. First, there is a moth named for the 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:11.080 alleged appearance of her profile on its wings. Its scientific 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.480 name is Cali's Tea May, but it's known as the 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.320 mother shipt in moth that was classified by Swedish entomologist 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:24.320 Carl Alexander Clerk in seventeen fifty nine. And Second, today, 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:28.320 Naresborough is famous for its mineral springs and spots. It's 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:32.359 also famous for introducing the world to pause for a 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:37.200 second bed racing with Great Narrasboro Bed Race, where teams 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.359 run and swim a really difficult about two and a 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:46.320 half mile course while carrying beds and passengers. It's also 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.359 famous for the cave where Ursula is said to have 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.960 been born. That cave is now called Mother Shipton's Cave 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:57.040 and it's one of England's oldest tourist attractions. A place 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:00.520 called the Petrifying Well is also nearby the cave, and 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:04.399 it was believed during Ursula's lifetime could turn things into 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:08.520 and I mean quote this stone. So about that stone. 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.320 What's really going on here in this well has to 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:15.280 do with the wells unusually high mineral content that can 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.240 make an object appear to be stone, like if you 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.639 soak it in that water for a few months. But 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:26.360 to Ursula's contemporaries, it sure did look like stone. So 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.760 together today the cave and the well now have a 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:34.159 gift shop, a picnic area and other attractions associated with 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:39.040 it and Mother Shipton. I'm ready to book a trip. 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:45.240 I know, I hear. It's lovely. I think it was 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.320 really great that we did not end a story with 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.399 an execution. So let's toast to that. What do you 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.199 have for us today? Yeah, come over and stamp by 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:58.399 the cauldron. I'm brewing a thing. I cannot tell you 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:03.159 exactly why I wanted to name it what I named it, 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.439 but I really just this is the only thing that 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.320 kept coming to mind, and it made me laugh so 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.960 hard that I was like, that's that's it. It's called 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:19.159 hag juice. Just hag juice. You want to mix up 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:26.720 about of juice? This one is actually a drink that 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.199 I think any of our listeners who like things a 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:33.359 little less sweet might enjoy. I know my proclivity with 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:35.440 a lot of my drinks is to essentially make cake 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.400 and a glass like I tend to go very much 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.639 towards the sweet side of the spectrum, and I wanted 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.600 to make something that's called juice but is not what 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:46.399 we would think of when we think of with juice, 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:48.840 which is like high fruit content and a lot of sugar. 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:51.920 It's not like that at all. I appreciate this because 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:54.000 I tend to not like a real sugary, fruity drink, 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:58.879 So right, you might love this. And I also was 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:02.960 just trying to think about ingredients that one would associate with, 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:07.360 you know, predictions and soothsaying, and one of them. This 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:11.360 is a thing. It literally is just me taking the 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:15.920 most literal association of two words together because I thought 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:19.800 about sage and like that coming with a sense of wisdom. 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:22.159 And then I thought, ha ha, what if I do 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:25.200 a twist on a mohedo where we don't use mint 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:30.960 and we use sage instead. Isn't that interesting? I was 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:33.080 in direction. I was not expecting that we were going 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.480 to go again. Please continue right listen, hag juice is 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:41.040 full of surprises, as it should be, and there is 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:43.760 something kind of fabulous that happens here. What's I'll described 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:46.880 and it it ended up being very perfect for what 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:50.200 I was going for. So this is super simple. It's 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:52.520 it's like a mohedo. There are some ingredients that are 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:55.880 shifted a little bit. So you're going to take several 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:59.080 sage leaves. Mine were quite large, so I used like 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.679 three largely eaves. If you're are smaller, just add some more. 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.640 You can't get a wrong number in there. Tear them 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:07.439 up a little, throw them in your your cocktail shaker 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:11.520 with three quarters of an ounce of simple syrup. Give 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:13.640 that a little muddle you know, press it, press those 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:19.200 leaves so they release that beautiful sage scent um their oils, 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:23.240 and then throw in some ice. You're gonna add three 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:25.960 quarters of an ounce of lemon juice, one and a 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:30.040 half ounces of a very dark rum, not necessarily a 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:32.280 spice rump, but just a very dark rum, which usually 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:34.240 do have some spice, and then you're gonna shake that 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.640 with ice, and I mean you're gonna shake it because 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.480 you really want to get that sage all up in 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:42.640 that rum's business, like you really want to like make 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:47.119 them together. And then you will strain that over fresh 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:49.439 ice and top it with club soda and garnish it 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.720 with a sprig of sage um. I will tell you. 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:56.720 So there's some obvious shifts from a regular mohedo other 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.639 than the mint. Normally a mohedo would use lime juice. 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:03.720 Did this with lime juice, no bueno. It was like 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:05.600 it was having a fight in my mouth. It was 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:09.439 not cool. It was just too many sharp flavors. And 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:13.000 the lemon just played way better with the sage. And 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:16.120 usually you would use a clear rum for a mohito 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:18.439 and not a dark rum. Because what happens is this 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:21.800 does kind of look a little dirty, like it's got 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:25.520 kind of a brownish color. It's not it's not like 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:29.080 a bright looking drink, like even though it's fine. I mean, 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:33.080 it doesn't look scary. It just looks it's a dark, cloudy, 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:36.199 kind of muddy looking drink in the cauldron. It's in 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:38.240 the cauldron. This is what drinks in the cauldron for. 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:42.000 I don't wash the cauldron every time. It's the secret 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:48.679 to great flavor. What are you retired Navy? So the 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:51.679 thing that becomes really interesting, and it's one of the 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:53.800 reasons that the lemon juice worked better than the lime 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:58.720 juice is that it tastes interesting, but the taste is 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:03.359 very light, and it's like all of those flavors merge 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:07.199 in such a way where none of them is really 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:10.560 the dominant tone. You just kind of get this bright, 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:13.959 clear flavor, which to me was kind of wonderful because 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:16.680 then you associate that with the clarity one would need 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:21.639 to have visions of the future. It's a really surprising 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:24.040 and interesting sip. I liked it quite a bit, I 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:26.879 must confess. Even though it does not take tastes like 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:32.439 cake in a glans, it has an herb in it. 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:36.920 There's something green in my drink. I'm okay with greenery 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:40.280 in a in a bivage, but I had not muddled. 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:43.480 I had not muddled sage before this, so that was 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:46.359 kind of fun. And the thing is too, if you 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:49.639 like a stiffer drink, this is really easy to um 0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:53.040 to bump it up. You literally just go from three 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:55.440 quarters of announce on the simple syrup in the limit 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:57.920 juice to an ounce apiece, go from one and a 0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:00.440 half ounces of rump to two. You're basically just doing 0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:04.119 a two part one part situation and you'll keep that 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:07.720 same balance in proportion that way. Again, drink responsibly. Don't 0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:10.520 go much higher than that then just getting silly. If 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:12.920 you want to do a mock tail version of this, 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:16.199 the only thing you need to sub out is that rum. 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:18.320 There are a few options you can go with here. 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:20.800 You could do that with a soda, but you obviously 0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:23.440 don't want to shake it. Like a dark cola works 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:27.359 great in that taste a little bit different obviously because 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:30.280 there is then a much sweeter profile to it. You 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:33.840 can also do like a um An herbal tea that 0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:36.080 has a lot of depth to it. I don't know 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:37.600 that I would do a black tea. I would do 0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:41.600 something else like that's interesting, like even a red maybe 0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:44.920 in there or something. But other than that, it's it's 0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:47.679 the same stuff. A little sage in your in your 0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:51.439 drink is always fun. I hope if you make this 0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:53.840 you enjoy it and you have clarity and see the 0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:58.960 future and that it's beautiful, that it is not if 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:03.159 it's if it's it's not that maybe don't tell me, 0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:07.760 but we don't tweet about that part. You don't. We 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:11.480 don't share those bad visions. No, hopefully you just have 0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:17.280 visions of deliciousness. Who doesn't want that. We will be 0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:20.680 right back here next week with another visit to the Cauldron, 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.200