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Speaker 2: This new morning recording program that we're on is just

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Speaker 2: Me too, actually, but I'm still, like I was just

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Speaker 2: about some of the topics stuff, and I was like, oh.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean are you are you a snooze hitter?

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Speaker 1: Do you hit snooze?

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Speaker 2: Well, see, usually I get right up, and I actually

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Speaker 2: like I have to go right into it. And today

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Speaker 2: I snoozed three times before I meditated.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, not so much. It kind of

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Speaker 2: ties into our topic today the month. The theme of

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Speaker 2: there's just this energy of confrontation I feel the last

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Speaker 2: and then on a bigger scale, we're confronting a lot

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Speaker 2: of issues, none of which are actually new. You and

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Speaker 2: I talk about this a lot, like these are topics

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Speaker 2: You know, Well, karma just have this way of like

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Speaker 2: Day at a time, I feel like, one podcast at

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Speaker 3: I see this all the time.

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Speaker 2: I did not realize how much I contributed to the

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Speaker 1: You bought it. You bought it to it.

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Speaker 3: It's just what you're taught from day one.

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Speaker 2: And so until you start to question things yourself, it's

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Speaker 2: the way they're kind of destigmatizing that conversation by him

434
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 2: being so open about his own personal struggles and then

435
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 2: showing too, like addiction can be a lifelong process. It's

436
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 2: not like there's so much more to addiction. It's like

437
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 2: a frustrating thing for me to just touch on the

438
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 2: surface of. But like he's showing how to live a

439
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 2: life of dealing with coping mechanisms that he used as

440
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 2: survival skills, and like, just what a lifelong journey that

441
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: that is and a really for me, that's a big

442
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 2: topic to confront in our society. That just kind of

443
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 2: everyone just sort of sweeps another the rug. We all

444
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 2: kind of like live with these medicators that nobody's really

445
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 2: willing to talk about. And I do think he's talking

446
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 2: about it.

447
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And like when you said, sweep it

448
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: under the rug, like it's a constant thing for him.

449
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,719
Speaker 1: He talks about it all the time, even sometimes in

450
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: a joking way. He'll be like, oh God, I can't

451
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: go there because the first thing I'll want is a

452
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: bag of coke, you know, And it normalizes it, you know,

453
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: it also shows that it you know, it's not about

454
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: like where you are on the social socioeconomic ladder, like

455
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: effects every walk of life.

456
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 2: Right, Like he's very successful right now, things seem to

457
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 2: be going really well. So like you want to be like, well,

458
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 2: why would you do that or whatever, But it's because

459
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 2: of things inside of us. And it's not just like,

460
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 2: oh he has a craving for drugs. It's a deeper hole,

461
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 2: you know, that's an emotional hole. What are you laughing

462
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 2: at over there?

463
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: Ell just sent me a funny picture?

464
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 2: Sorry, distracted? Distracted, all right? Well, I really support tax

465
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 2: I love that you brought him up. My first one

466
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 2: is sort of predictable for me as well, because it's Oprah.

467
00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: I mean, she's the queen, she is the goat, and

468
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: we would be remiss if she wasn't on those list.

469
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 3: I mean, how could I not.

470
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: It's just like, first of all, she's always been just

471
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: like an idol of mine, and I just find her.

472
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 2: I love every conversation she has. I love the way

473
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 2: that she has them. I feel like, because we do

474
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: what we do. I really appreciate her interviewing skills. She

475
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 2: is one of the greatest interviewers of like obviously our time,

476
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: but I think ever personally because of the empathy and

477
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: emotionality that she brings, Like there's a real human connection

478
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 2: happening in her interview. It's not just questions, you know,

479
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: it's it's a conversation. Does listen and she does connect,

480
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 2: and I really really appreciate that. Also, obviously, she builds

481
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,719
Speaker 2: an empire from nothing, which is always really respectable. Everyone

482
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: knows about the Oprah Winfrey Show, but if you really

483
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: look back at the Oprah Winfrey Show, the reason I

484
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: think it was so successful is because they were confronting

485
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: such hard new topics that people were struggling to talk

486
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: about in such an empathetic, willing to learn kind of place,

487
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 2: like just asking the right questions, exposing certain issues, bringing

488
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 2: up topics that people were struggling with, and having empathy

489
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: and kindness and love and showing that as their response.

490
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: And so I think that's why she was such a

491
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 2: trailblazer with that show. Is it really set the example

492
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: like we're having now we have the Drew Barrymore Show,

493
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 2: the Kelly Clarkson Show, they kind of follow that same

494
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: road of just like trying to connect with people in

495
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 2: that capacity, and I think that came from Oprah, I

496
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 2: really do. So she started that with the show obviously,

497
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 2: then it transitioned into her being the boss of her

498
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 2: own network, which is just insane. So you can see

499
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 2: those conversations happening on Super Soil Sunday. Obviously there's a

500
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 2: Supercil Sunday podcast too, which is a huge one, probably

501
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 2: my favorite podcast that I listened to. But one of

502
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 2: the main things that she's all so known for is

503
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 2: the school that she opened. And so to me, this

504
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: was like, oh, this is a good thing to talk

505
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: about or that people are confronting issues such as poverty

506
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: with solutions such as education. Like this school started in

507
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 2: two thousand and two when Oprah was talking to Nelson Mandela,

508
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: who I think most of us know what his role

509
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: was in South Africa, but they she mentioned they were

510
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 2: talking about the poverty issue and she said to me,

511
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 2: it's the way out of poverty is to put people

512
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 2: on a more even playing field, you know, like by education.

513
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: So if we're put on an even playing field, then

514
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: you have the chances. If you have the chances and

515
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: the opportunities that we all have, it gives everyone a

516
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: bigger opportunity to thrive. And so she started the Oprah

517
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: Winfrey Leadership Academy for Girls and it's still thriving. And

518
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: she said, I wanted to build a school for girls

519
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: like me. She defined the Oprah girl as having an

520
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 2: indefinable quality of tenacity, charisma and smart. So they've really

521
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: been making waves in South Africa. The school is still

522
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: thriving and there's been a ton of graduates. Now I

523
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: think a lot of them go back and like still

524
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: help the school because it changed their life, you know.

525
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 2: So I just love the idea of using your platform

526
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: for hard conversations, but then also like taking some action,

527
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 2: putting those things into action, actionable steps, and she saw

528
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: a major issue of poverty. Instead of just like you know,

529
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: bitching about the poverty, She's like, Okay, let's give them

530
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 2: the shot. Let's do this, let's like start start the school.

531
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: So my girl, Oprah top of them all.

532
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: List, the goat, Well, I think this leads into I'm

533
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: going to go out of order from my list. Oh wow,

534
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: we did make the order of your list, So yeah,

535
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: well you did, and it wasn't that was just order

536
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: that I wrote them down. I think that leads nicely

537
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: into my goat. Who is Dolly Parton?

538
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 3: Oh love Dolly?

539
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, I first of all, I don't

540
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: think there's a person on Earth who does not recognize

541
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: or know who Dolly Pardon is. She's one of the

542
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: most recognizable iconic I mean, I think it's they're one

543
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: and the same. You know, there is those islands in

544
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: the stream, you know. But yeah, I mean I think

545
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: she's honestly one of the most iconic brands in the world,

546
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, just like Oprah, And she's done it with

547
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: such fierce positivity but honesty too, you know, she was

548
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: very early in her career writing about women's issues. She

549
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: was writing about you know, suicide and abortion and things

550
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: that like were like not topics that people were talking about,

551
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: particularly women in the public sphere. You know, obviously those

552
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: conversations were happening, but they weren't happening in the public sphere.

553
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: And she's you know, she's always she's really self aware.

554
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: She's the first to like crack a joke about herself,

555
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: and she's Verry Misley said, like I'm you know, it's

556
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: it's the best way to diffuse people that are going

557
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: to make fun of you if you say what they're

558
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: going to say first, Yeah, and own it, you know.

559
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: Like her, she understands that, like entertainment is razzle dazzle,

560
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: and that's what she does best. But she's been able

561
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: to parlay her success in entertainment into like doing good

562
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: in the world. And she's got the she's got her

563
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: book club that sends it's Dolly's Reading Lib Rainbow Reading

564
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: Library or something like that, and it sends you can

565
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: sign up if you have children, and you'll get a

566
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: free book a month, and they it's at no cost.

567
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: She funds that. She also put a million dollars in

568
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: that that found that helped find the vaccine for COVID.

569
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: She bought Dolly Dolly Dollywood, which is in East Tennessee.

570
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: It's an amazing theme park, but it was I forget

571
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: it might have been a six Flags or something, but

572
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: it was sort of falling apart, and she bought it

573
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: because her family's there. Most of them are uneducated and

574
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: she was able to get them jobs. Yeah, and it's

575
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: revitalized that community, it really And Yeah, she's you know,

576
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: she's like her. Her audiences at her shows are incredibly inclusive.

577
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: She's worked across the spectrum of so many different musicians

578
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: from Christian to gay.

579
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: She's doing like a rap album or what is she do?

580
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: A rock album? Yeah? And you know, I just think

581
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: like she very like you. Rarely hear her like step

582
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: into the political space, and whenever someone tries to corner

583
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: her with a political question, she always has the most

584
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: above board answer where she says exactly what you expect

585
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: her to say while saying I'm not gonna delve into politics,

586
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: but you know where she stands. Yeah, and yeah, I

587
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: just think I just like, I think she is a

588
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 1: really prime example of mind your business. You know what

589
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: I mean. She does exactly what she wants to do,

590
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: she does it beautifully, she does it with heart, and

591
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: she you know, she just radiates love. And I think

592
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: if we could have more people do that, Like, it's

593
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: no surprise that she's incredibly successful because she's her talent

594
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: matches her heart, and I think that, you know, the

595
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: world has rewarded her for that.

596
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: This is a side note, But is there something It's

597
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: like pinging in my mind something about the reading ring bo?

598
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: Was that a television show?

599
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 3: I think it was?

600
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: It was it?

601
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: And immediately my head went to that song and I'm like,

602
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: but what am I remembering?

603
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: What was hers? It's called the Imagination Library? So you

604
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: okay you pulled? Oh yeah, it was a television show

605
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: called reading.

606
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I gotta find that song because now

607
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: it's like happening in my head but barely just those

608
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: two words, and I'm like, what is the rest of that? Okay, interesting,

609
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: take a look, it's reading.

610
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 3: Well, we love Dollie.

611
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: I've always been a big fan of Dolly. Go ahead,

612
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: Dolly keep and also like she's still kicking it. I'm

613
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: so impressed on her all the time. Yeah, just NonStop

614
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: at this age. It's great, all right. So my next

615
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: one you did, Actually it was interesting. When I sent

616
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: you my list, you were like, I think it's really interesting.

617
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: All of yours are women, and that wasn't at all intentional,

618
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: and most of them are actually women of color. It

619
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: wasn't intentional. It's just who really inspires me and who

620
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: I really I appreciate the way that they're confronting things.

621
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: So Michelle Obama is my second one. I am a

622
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: huge fan. As the First Lady, see, Obama served as

623
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: a role model for women and worked as an advocate

624
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: for poverty awareness, education, nutrition, physical activity, and healthy eating.

625
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: She supported American designers and was considered a fashion icon.

626
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: That's not really anything other than like a fun tip

627
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 2: for me. Obama was the first African American woman to

628
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: serve as the First Lady. So that to me is

629
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: like confronting issues by leading your life as an example.

630
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: Like to me, she confronts issues of racism by living

631
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: her life like she leads her life with example. She

632
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: opens up opportunities for others because now she's already crossed

633
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: that barrier, like there's been a black first Lady, and

634
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: that opens up the whole conversation for any race to

635
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: be in the White House, you know, So I don't

636
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: think she necessarily even has to speak to it other

637
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: than to just go live her life and do the

638
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: job that she did, which was amazing. One of the

639
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: other things you and I talked about is like confronting

640
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: health and wellness. And maybe this is because of your

641
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: hard workout yesterday, but Shella Obama was actually really really

642
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: integral in confronting the issues of our food systems here,

643
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: which is like especially odd. Yes, it's an odd topic

644
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: to bring up, but to me, it is a major

645
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: issue in our country specifically. And I always talk about

646
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: this because I believe that what we put in our

647
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: bodies is just the complete, like that's everything, and we

648
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: just put so much shit in our bodies mindlessly without

649
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: thinking about it, and so our health is in really

650
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: a bad place and demise almost We're getting all these

651
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: diseases and there's all these you know, autoimmune cancer, all

652
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: these things that from our stress and the food we

653
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 2: eat and not taking care of ourselves and just being unaware.

654
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: So she really started a lot of those conversations on

655
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: a bigger scale. I know Hillary Clinton had like started

656
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: a little vegetable garden at the White House, and Michelle Obama.

657
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 3: Just made it this huge deal.

658
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: Like I remember seeing so many news stories about this garden,

659
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 2: and it was really just to show not only how

660
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: to eat well and how we can like eat from

661
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 2: a place of producing our own food, but also something

662
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: that's sustainable for our society. And like so much of

663
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 2: our food issues that do you think come from looking

664
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: at things like from a mass production standpoint, like our

665
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: government just trying to produce, produce, produce, so then they

666
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: put all these chemicals in our food to help with

667
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: mass production that are really bad for our bodies.

668
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: So I just saw a story this morning on BBC

669
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Speaker 1: News where they took these two twin sisters okay and

670
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: put them they did a two week dietary trial where

671
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: like fat calories, you know, all of the like markers

672
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 1: were the same. But one was eating a very healthy

673
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,959
Speaker 1: diet and one was eating highly processed food okay, and

674
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: the highly processed food like her lipids and her like

675
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: everything went up that you don't want to go up.

676
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: She gained a kilogram in two weeks yep. And the

677
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: one that ate healthy, like all of her blood work

678
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: like was really good. And they said it's, you know,

679
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: obviously whatever was done in those two weeks can be

680
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: reversed in two weeks with healthy eating. But they said

681
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: it was a you know, it's it was a really

682
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: io opening study because it was basically they were doing

683
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: it with genetically this They were identical swim.

684
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 3: Same person, the satin body.

685
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not about calories, it's about literally the

686
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: things that are in it.

687
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's funny because like I mean, and

688
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: you guys give me so much shit in our friend

689
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: group because the way I eat all the time, and

690
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: I do gluten free, dairy free, but then mostly I

691
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 2: just try to eat real food. And I think, like,

692
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: I know, it's like ha ha ha, it's Kelly's the

693
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: complicated one or whatever. But the reason I do it

694
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 2: is simply because now that I've done it long enough,

695
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: I see how bad I feel when I don't. And

696
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: I think when we do things so often, like this

697
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: was the same with me for drinking. When you're drinking

698
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: often you don't realize how bad it's making you feel actually,

699
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: and so you probably aren't realizing like the damage it's

700
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 2: doing to your body. But then if you take time off,

701
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: you do it one time and you're like, whoa, you

702
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: really recognize the difference. So I think it's really important

703
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: for us to know. Like I know, gluten and dairy

704
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: don't work with my body, and so I try to

705
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: listen and pay attention to that. I'm not like a

706
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 2: full like stickler, but for the most part, I eat

707
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: that diet and it makes me feel so much better.

708
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: People also always ask me like, how are you so thin?

709
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: And I do take care of myself in exercise, and

710
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: I also have genetically like I'm just built this way.

711
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: But I do think a lot of the time like

712
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: the reasons I don't gain a ton of weight and

713
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,959
Speaker 2: stuff is because I eat real food. Like I don't

714
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 2: actually watch what I eat ever, Like I've never counted

715
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 2: calories in my life, but I feel like because I'm

716
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: eating real food and not processed food, our bodies are

717
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 2: just built to that's what That's how it's supposed to work,

718
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: and so it just right, it just functions better that way.

719
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 2: That studies really interesting. That's fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The other thing Michelle Obama did about the hunger thing

723
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: is you kind of mentioned this in schools, but she

724
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: was really integral in the Healthy, Hungry Free Kids Act,

725
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: where they really tried to work on the pyramid thing

726
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 2: for food.

727
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 3: What is that called the pyramid thing?

728
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: It's like the daily intake pyramid.

729
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, they restructured that though, and specifically that was meant

730
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: for school systems and just kind of making sure we're

731
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: actually getting the nutrients that we need.

732
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Speaker 3: Uh.

733
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Speaker 2: It's also it's now transitioned into it's called my Plate,

734
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: so it's reauthorizing child nutrition programs and.

735
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 3: For other purposes.

736
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: So anyway, again, same thing where it's like a person

737
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: going out and seeing an issue and instead of just

738
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: preaching about it, going and actually making changes and doing

739
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: something in a kind loving way to help others in need.

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Speaker 1: Okay, My next one is probably a name that most

741
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: people won't recognize, and it's somebody that I just learned

742
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: of this year. And I hope I pronounced his last

743
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: name properly. But his name is doctor Eric Cervini is Okay,

744
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: it's the er V I and I and he's he's

745
00:38:54,160 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: a homosexual historian. And he I mean he's young. I

746
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: think he's like thirty years old. He went to Harvard

747
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: and then he went to somewhere in the UK and

748
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: got his doctorate, and he's written he's he writes books

749
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: about homosexuals throughout history and sort of their crusades for

750
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: equal rights. And I think the reason why I'm drawn

751
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: to him is I think it's really important for all

752
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: of us to understand where we came from, ye and

753
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: the doors that have been opened by the people before us.

754
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: And you know, I also think too, in a divided

755
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: world where politically people who are anti LGBTQ they go for,

756
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, they go for the least common denominator ship,

757
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 1: like they make it all about sex and what's bad

758
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: for kids, and they, you know, they make it like

759
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: this boogeyman thing and what they try to erase his

760
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: humanity from it. And when you look at something from

761
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: a historical perspective, you're confronted with the humanity of these people.

762
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: And it's not just about you know, being sexual deviance.

763
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Speaker 1: And you know that I'm not here to say that

764
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: there aren't sexual deviants in the homosexual space. There are

765
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: in the heterosexual space too, And to each his own

766
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: mind to business, you know, but I think he's a

767
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: really important voice of this new generation. And I think,

768
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, for people that are living in smaller towns

769
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: that don't understand and or maybe having feelings about themselves

770
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: or feelings about their loved ones. He's writing books that

771
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 1: are really important, and he's also you know, he's active

772
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: on social media. His first book that was a New

773
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: York Times bestsellers called The Deviance War, and I sadly

774
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: haven't read it yet, but what it did is it's

775
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: about an astronaut during the Space Race in nineteen fifty seven.

776
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: He was, you know, working in the Space Race and

777
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: he was actually sorry. He was an astronomer named Frank

778
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: Camerony Camminy, and he was summoned by the Pentagon because

779
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: they thought he might be gay. And it was this

780
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: thing that he had to fight because his sexuality really

781
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: played zero role in what he was doing. But at

782
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: that time, the way that the government and the world

783
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: viewed homosexuals was they were deviants. And so I think

784
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: it's it's that was sort of the beginning of like

785
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: major gay rights movements within government. And it was a

786
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: New York Times bestseller. So I'm going to order a

787
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: copy of it today because I think it's important for

788
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: me to understand where that came from. Yeah, also, recently,

789
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: what were you say no go ahead. He also recently

790
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: started to think, oh maybe this is where I got

791
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: the word rainbow, called rainbow book bus, and he and

792
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: his partner, through crowdsourcing, raised money and bought this old

793
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: school bus so that they can drive around and combat

794
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: book banning and go into states where books have been banned.

795
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: In the press, release says last school year, and unprecedented

796
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: five hundred and thirty two bands were enacted, affecting sixteen

797
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: hundred and forty eight unique book titles and fifteen hundred

798
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: and fifty three authors and artists across thirty two states.

799
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: One hundred and thirty eight school districts implemented book bands,

800
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: affecting nearly four million students. I mean, it's crazy, and

801
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: so yeah, they raised a bunch of money. And he

802
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: also has a thing called shop Queer dot Co. And

803
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: he has a book club where he recommends a book

804
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: that you should read every month to delve deeper into

805
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: homosexual history. So you know, I like, I know this

806
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: isn't going to be for every listener, but I do

807
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: think it's important because even if you think that you

808
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: don't know someone who's gay, you probably do, and it's

809
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, we we're living in a time right now

810
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: where like the HRC has like issued a state of

811
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: emergency for homes for LGBTQ people right now in our country,

812
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: and you know, we need to find kindness and understanding

813
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: and and and reading about people throughout history I think

814
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: will bring sort of the human element that can bring understanding,

815
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: and you know, like we don't have to agree with everybody,

816
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: but I do think it's important to try and understand everybody,

817
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: and it will give us a stronger grip on our

818
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: perspective if we can understand something that is different from us.

819
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: And so I think I think this is an important

820
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: voice right now.

821
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Speaker 3: Well, I love that.

822
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Speaker 2: You said he's bringing real life people, like the human

823
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: piece of that. And also I think when we can

824
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 2: see just sort of stories over time, it almost becomes

825
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: like science in the way that you're like you're seeing

826
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: it play out, and so it's factual versus just people

827
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: spewing their opinions all the time. And I think for me,

828
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: that's an interesting way to confront things right now, because

829
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: there's just a lot of voices and a lot of noise,

830
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: and so especially when it's something so long term that

831
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: we can look back historically and see different examples of

832
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: and especially, like you said, the human piece of it,

833
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: that's a pretty pretty amazing way to approach it. Also,

834
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Speaker 2: Happy Pride month, y'all, Yeah, Happy Pride. Well, kind of

835
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: to transition into my next person, I think I'm going

836
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: out of order to even though y'all didn't know that,

837
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead and tell that kuit since you did.

838
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: But this kind of plays into what I just said

839
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: about having facts. I picked Brene Brown as one of

840
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: my next people, and one of the reasons I picked

841
00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:00,280
Speaker 2: her is because again, there's so much noise all the time,

842
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 2: like everyone has a voice now because of social media,

843
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: which is great in some ways and it's also overwhelming

844
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 2: in others because there's just so many opinions. And the

845
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: reason I like Brene's work so much is because she's

846
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: a researcher. So she got really famous when she did

847
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 2: a TED talk about vulnerability. She's kind of known as

848
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 2: like the expert in vulnerability. But all of her books,

849
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 2: her talks, everything that she's done, all her work is

850
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 2: really based in science, so she'll go run all these tests.

851
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: She's a researcher, like I said, so she's constantly doing

852
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: the research to find the real examples of these things,

853
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 2: not just like, oh, this makes me feel this way.

854
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: But the interesting piece about her research is it is

855
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: about human feelings like vulnerability and the reason we do

856
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: all of the things that we do, and she really

857
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: is kind of getting to the bottom of that, and

858
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: then she's talking very openly about that. And what I

859
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 2: really resonate with is similar to what we were saying

860
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: about Dax. When people tell their real stories, it opens

861
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: up the platforms and it opens up the conversation for

862
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 2: all of us to remember that we're human beings, that

863
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: we all have these feelings we're suppressing so much all

864
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: the time, but that we're not isolated in any of

865
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 2: that stuff. And the human connection is where we heal.

866
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 2: So the more we open up and make ourselves vulnerable

867
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: to each other, the greater the chances for us all

868
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: to thrive, you know, right, So obviously I mentioned her

869
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: ted talk. Brene also has multiple books, including Daring Greatly,

870
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: The Gifts of Imperfection, Dare to Lead, Braving the Wilderness,

871
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: Rising Strong, and Atlas of the Heart.

872
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 3: So if you have somehow lived.

873
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 2: Under a rock and you've never heard Brene Brown's name,

874
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 2: I highly recommend all of those books. She's obviously been

875
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: on Oprah and all the things too, so you can

876
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 2: go listen to her podcast and multiple interviews of Brenee.

877
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: The Ted Talk is actually a really good place to

878
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: start if you don't know Brene's work, because it gives

879
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: you a really good foundation into kind of what she's about,

880
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: and also just the basic stuff that she talks about,

881
00:46:58,760 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: which is vulnerability.

882
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: I love how she speaks to I could listen to

883
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: her talk forever.

884
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: She's just so real. She's like this woman from Texas

885
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: and she's like, hey, y'all, what's.

886
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: Up, like because she says like she's just like it's

887
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: normalizes it because I do I think some of those topics,

888
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: like especially vulnerability, which you know we all need to

889
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: work at, is overwhelming for people. And if you normalize

890
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: it and make it, you know, sort of the everyman

891
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: approach to it, like, I think it's more people are

892
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: going to be willing to sort of lean in well.

893
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: And I also feel like she was such she was

894
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: a little before her time because and I mean, she's

895
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 2: still obviously existing and working, but like all of those

896
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: conversations she started many years ago. And I do feel

897
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 2: like as a culture we're kind of catching up to that.

898
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 2: Like before the pandemic, it felt like we had because

899
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: of social media, we had this world where we presented,

900
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: excuse me, we presented, and we wanted to paint this

901
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: perfect picture of our life. And that was like kind

902
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: of the basis for most of the way that things existed,

903
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: even the celebrity culture. It was all about appearances, you know.

904
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: And I think the pandemic hit and a lot of

905
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 2: us got sick of that because we're like, hey, my

906
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: life is falling apart, Like I don't want to see

907
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 2: how great I'm doing air quotes right now, your life

908
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 2: is on social.

909
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: Media, Like let's get real here, Like the real talks.

910
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: And real connection and real vulnerability were the things that

911
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: I think a lot of us were drawn to, And

912
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: so there has seemed to be a shift. But Brene

913
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: is really she's kind of the innervator of these conversations.

914
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 2: She started having them many many years ago. And I

915
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 2: feel like we're finally starting to catch up as a society.

916
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: So definitely a thought leader confronting some shit, you know.

917
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: Yep, I think I'm gonna only do one more. Okay,

918
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cut one my last one is George rash Okay,

919
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 1: people will know him as Tank from Tank good News

920
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: and Tank Sinatra, and you know, he was just a

921
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: normal guy that started doing a meme page and it

922
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: grew to over a million people when he started making money,

923
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: and so he quit his normal job and started focusing

924
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: on that fully. And then in the wake of Hurricane Harvey,

925
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: when sort of you know, the world was literally underwater

926
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: and it was seemed like doomsday, he was really moved

927
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: by watching people help their neighbors, put their own lives

928
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: at risk to save other people, just really rise to

929
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: the occasion to you know, help people in a time

930
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: of need. And he started his good news network then

931
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: it's you know, Tank good News, and it was from

932
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,479
Speaker 1: a place where he just in that moment, he said

933
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: that he realized that the media really does, you know,

934
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: they bank on fear because fear causes an exciting response

935
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: from us, and it makes you want to come back

936
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: for more because you need to know how things turned out,

937
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: or you need to know if there's a new clue,

938
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: or you need to it's all of those things that

939
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: bring you back. And so and I do think it's

940
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: like most major media outlets that is their approach, and

941
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: he thought it was a really good time to just

942
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: start putting some good news out in the world. So

943
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: it started with him highlighting some of the people that

944
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: were doing good things for others, and it has grown

945
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: now to a network and a website that has over

946
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: three million followers. Love that. Yeah, And like we've talked

947
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: about it before, like we often will put news from

948
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: it when we talk about good news stuff. And honestly,

949
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: it's like I I question myself on Instagram every day

950
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: whether or not I need I want to be informed

951
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: or like it's it's this balance where it's like I

952
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: feel like I need to have new sights that I'm

953
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: following so that I'm informed on what's going on in

954
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: the world, but it brings me fucking down, and it

955
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: like those are the thoughts that live free in my

956
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: mind all the time, and I hate it, but I

957
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: do follow him and when that shows up in my thread,

958
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: it literally lightens my day. It makes me feel good.

959
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: It makes me believe in humanity again. And you know,

960
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: I just think if there were more people like that,

961
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: because I do. You know, it does sometimes touch on

962
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: topical subjects, but it's always like afresh refreshing, happy approach

963
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: to something. Yeah, and you know, I think, you know,

964
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: we're talking about some really big names here, you know,

965
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: like people that are incredibly recognizable, and so I thought

966
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 1: it was important to add him to my list because

967
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: he's just a normal guy that started doing something good

968
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: and it's had a ripple effect through you know the world,

969
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: and it's spreading kindness is something that's really easy to do.

970
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: And you know, he now has a platform that lots

971
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: of people can receive kindness through. But I just think

972
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: he's a great example of, you know, a good human

973
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: being and I wanted to highlight you today.

974
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 2: Well, also, it's sort of what we talk about, like

975
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: you said, living with kindness. But remember we've talked about

976
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 2: the impact that the news has on our brain and

977
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 2: the constant just news come, bad news coming in. It's

978
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: like doomsday, and what that's actually doing to our brain.

979
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: We've talked about that on this podcast. I had my

980
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 2: brain therapist on the podcast and she really reiterated how

981
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 2: true that is. And so what he's doing is actually

982
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: really helping our brains, which is like on such a

983
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: bigger scale, helping with emotional health, mental health. It's so

984
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: much bigger than he just puts up a couple of

985
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 2: memes that make you laugh, like it's actually contributing to

986
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 2: society in a very positive way for us as humans

987
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: and for our own mental and emotional health.

988
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean it's it to me. The stories

989
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: that I see change my day. Yeah, And you know,

990
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 1: I do think I'm hitting sort of a reckoning point

991
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: with the news, and I have to I think I

992
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: have following a bunch of because it's and the algorithms

993
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: know too, and it's like I don't even see what

994
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: my friends are aft you anymore. Like all I get

995
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: is news and bad news. So yeah, I love what

996
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: he does. So I think everyone should give him a

997
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: follow because it's a little bit of light in your day.

998
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 3: All right.

999
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 2: I'll put all the links to his instagrams and other

1000
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: websites in the description of this podcast.

1001
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 3: Are you ready for my final one?

1002
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am going out with a bang.

1003
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 3: Guess who it is? Yeah, him kardash Ah.

1004
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: Shit, this one's going to be divisive.

1005
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 2: I was going to say, you guys are in your

1006
00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 2: car right now and you're roll in your as at

1007
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: slow your role just so low down.

1008
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 3: I get it, like I do get it about.

1009
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 2: You know, Kim got famous because of a sex tape

1010
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 2: and a reality show, and it's kind.

1011
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 3: Of like, roll your eyes, roll your eyes, roll your eyes.

1012
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 2: What does she even do? She's not talented, is what

1013
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 2: people want to say. I have always disagreed with that

1014
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 2: statement because I look at that family in general and

1015
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: the brands that they've built and the billion dollar like

1016
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 2: fortune that they've created. It's like an empire now, and

1017
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 2: I just have so much respect for them as business people.

1018
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 2: I think they've really maximized the opportunities that they were given.

1019
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 2: I mean, like, think about how many other reality shows

1020
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 2: you've seen. I was on one of them that really

1021
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: did not figure out how to maximize that platform. And

1022
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: that was a really frustrating experience for me, actually because

1023
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 2: I ended up getting punished for that. But like, there

1024
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: are ways to do that, and I really think the

1025
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 2: Kardashians are an example of people who have been smart

1026
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: about that. And so not only has she you know,

1027
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 2: really she didn't come from nothing, obviously, but I do think.

1028
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 3: That she had to fight a lot of battles.

1029
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 2: To kind of get to where she is and be

1030
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 2: a person that's respected in any capacity, because I think

1031
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 2: a lot of us want to be like, bro, you

1032
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 2: got a sex tape, Like shut the fuck up, right.

1033
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: You know.

1034
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 2: But what I really love about her right now specifically,

1035
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 2: and this is this goes with every interview I see

1036
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: her do. She was just recently on the Jay.

1037
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 3: Shetty podcast, Like she's had just.

1038
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: A lot of other interviews where I feel like she's

1039
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: very aware of how famous she is and how many

1040
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 2: people's ears and eyes she has, and so she's taken

1041
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 2: this opportunity to not necessarily like maximize her own stuff anymore.

1042
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 3: Obviously that's a part.

1043
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 2: Of it, but like where that used to feel like

1044
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 2: the driving force, I feel like she's shifted into more

1045
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 2: of a position of service for us. And I'm sure

1046
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: some people are like laughing at me again, but that

1047
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 2: is what I observe. And I do think that people

1048
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 2: with big platforms like you don't have to do that.

1049
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,959
Speaker 2: Like everyone's like, oh, well you have a responsibility, Sure

1050
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: you have a platform, but like some people take it

1051
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 2: and some people don't. And so to see a person

1052
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: that used to be so self focused now trying to

1053
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 2: help others, I find that really inspiring.

1054
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: And so you did not have to get a law

1055
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 1: degree no, and didn't like a few times like three.

1056
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 2: Times past it. So like that's what I was just

1057
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 2: about to shift into. She's now gone back to law school.

1058
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 2: And again, like you're saying she didn't have to do that.

1059
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 2: It's not like she didn't have a ton on her

1060
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 2: plate or like she has four children and I know.

1061
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 3: She has help.

1062
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 2: But before you start rolling your eyes at that too,

1063
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 2: you're still the mom at the end of the day,

1064
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 2: Like you can have all the help in the world,

1065
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 2: but that doesn't leave you of the responsibility of motherhood.

1066
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 2: Like it's just still there's still your kids, It's right,

1067
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 2: So I don't think that it's just like, oh, she

1068
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 2: has help, so her life is easy. That's that really

1069
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: frustrates me when people say that, And I think until

1070
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 2: you've experienced celebrity life and maybe all the pressure, like

1071
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 2: when you see what their schedules look like the way

1072
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: that you and I do, I mean, it's unbelievable. I

1073
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: don't know how a lot of people are doing it

1074
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: because it's NonStop and they are back to back to

1075
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 2: back to back to back functioning all the time.

1076
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: Well, and you also have to think, like it's hard

1077
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: for them to not be with their kids too, you know,

1078
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: like there's that it's not just about the kid not

1079
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: being with the mom. There's like it's it hurts mothers

1080
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: to not be with their children.

1081
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: Right, It's still the same, like mom guilt and all

1082
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 2: the things. I mean, she's still human. I think people

1083
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 2: just forget that. And it's easy for us to look

1084
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: at someone who has so much money and so much

1085
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 2: fame and success and be like, oh, well, this is

1086
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: just easier for her, and that's just not true. I

1087
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 2: don't think it's just different and some things might be easier,

1088
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: but there's different battles, I think. So Anyway, she went

1089
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: back to law school, and I guess I wanted to

1090
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: put her on my list because now, like what she's

1091
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 2: doing with the Justice Project and just prison reform in general,

1092
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 2: Like she is really actively working in that field. She

1093
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 2: went back to school so that she can understand what's

1094
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 2: going on, and she's really trying to expose the issues

1095
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,919
Speaker 2: with our judicial system and then like how it's run

1096
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: and then how often innocent people are being incarcerated unfairly.

1097
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 2: Like I actually had no concept of this, and I

1098
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 2: think a lot of us are lucky enough to not

1099
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 2: have to deal with this in our everyday life, but

1100
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 2: it's something that is happening and she's really trying to

1101
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: expose it. They now have a podcast. What is the

1102
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 2: podcast called The System. There's a podcast that she is

1103
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: the co host of and executive producer of, and it's

1104
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 2: just it's become one of the top criminal justice podcasts

1105
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: on Spotify. The description says, over the course of eight episodes,

1106
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: Kardashian her hosts will work with investigators, experts, and more

1107
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 2: to discuss the complexities of Keith's case. So, I guess

1108
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 2: there's a specific guy. They're following his case. They want

1109
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,439
Speaker 2: to expose the cracks within the story and highlight ways

1110
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: in which our legal system is broken. So I just

1111
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 2: really appreciate the fact that she's going into this trying

1112
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 2: to expose one of the major issues in our culture.

1113
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 2: And I think this ties into a lot of other

1114
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: conversations like racism and things like that. But she's trying

1115
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 2: to expose it, but she's also trying to be informed

1116
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 2: at the same time, And to me, that's also showing

1117
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: an example of like go learn, go do things, Go

1118
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 2: use your platform or use the things you've been given

1119
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 2: and try to help others.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's she is she. I think she's

1121
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: definitely going to be a polarizing one on this list,

1122
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: and she's not one I would have expected. But I

1123
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: also fully understand why she's on here, and I've kind

1124
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: of changed. I've never watched the show, I know, so,

1125
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: but I do. I appreciate the thing, the good that

1126
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: she's doing in the world, and I've all I've you know,

1127
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: friends of mine that work in media that have interviewed

1128
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: her have only said amazing things about the way that

1129
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: she shows up, how intelligent she is. I had a

1130
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: friend that worked at a magazine and they wanted to

1131
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: put her on the cover and they had one caveat

1132
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: They said, only Kim can come. We don't want an entourage. Yeah,

1133
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: and the photographer, it was Bruce Weber, wanted to shoot

1134
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: her without makeup and she agreed to everything. Yeah, and

1135
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: apparently it was like lovely and it was really open

1136
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: and vulnerable and all of the things. So yeah, you know,

1137
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: you can't judge a book by its cover.

1138
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 2: Well, no, And I think a lot of us just

1139
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 2: want to throw a lot of us want to throw

1140
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 2: stones at people who maybe were born into this life

1141
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 2: with privilege, you know, like Kim was it sounds like,

1142
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 2: but I just think it's what you do with it.

1143
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 2: And I think it's also like, yeah, that would have

1144
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 2: been lovely, but I don't know, that's just the journey

1145
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 2: she was given, and so I just appreciate the fact

1146
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 2: that she's trying to give back now and use it

1147
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 2: for good. Yeah, And also that's confronting hard topics, like

1148
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 2: like you said, she's a very divisive person, So I

1149
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 2: think it would be really easy for her to try

1150
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: to stay out of those conversations because it's just going

1151
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: to add more to the load of hate that I

1152
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 2: think she already probably gets.

1153
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 3: Right, So, yeah, like.

1154
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,959
Speaker 2: This is a great topic that honestly, like who else

1155
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 2: is talking about this with such a platform? No one

1156
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 2: else that's talking about it has the reach that she has, obviously,

1157
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 2: because I personally have not heard anything about it until now.

1158
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 2: Maybe that's my own ignorance, but that's just the truth

1159
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 2: is that it's not really a conversation that you have

1160
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 2: at the water cooler every day.

1161
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,919
Speaker 1: You know, No, no, And I do think like she's

1162
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: actively gotten some people pardoned, yeah, you know, and I

1163
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: don't think they would have been pardoned if it weren't

1164
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: for her efforts.

1165
01:01:57,960 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 3: Sure.

1166
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So do you disagree with me and you want

1167
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 2: to come at me, that's fine, Email me at the

1168
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 2: Edge at velvetage dot com or you can hit me

1169
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 2: up on Instagram. I'm at Velvet's Edge.

1170
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: Chip, I'm at Chip Doors c H, I P D

1171
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Speaker 1: O R S c H.

1172
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 2: And as you guys are going into your weekend and

1173
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 2: confronting things of all different kinds, I hope that you

1174
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 2: are living on the edge and always remember, too

1175
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: Ad casual, you nailed it today, feeling that bye bye