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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,

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Speaker 1: and today on the show, we're talking about some animals

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Speaker 1: that you should not have as a pet unless you

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Speaker 1: want to become extremely dead. From innocent looking beach beauties

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Speaker 1: to our lovable goofy and deadly cousins, these creatures would

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Speaker 1: sooner destroy you than cuddle. Discover this and more as

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Speaker 1: we answer the age old question when does a kangaroo

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Speaker 1: become your King of Doom? Joining me today is the

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Speaker 1: Internet's zoologist TikTok Star and author of the book one

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Speaker 1: Hundred Animals That Can Fucking End You.

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Speaker 2: Mama, do welcome.

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Speaker 3: I just want to say that was your radio voice.

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Speaker 3: That was amazing. I want to be able to do

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Speaker 3: that one day. But thanks for having me. This is

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Speaker 3: really exciting.

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Speaker 2: You're very welcome. That's about it for my radio voice.

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Speaker 1: The rest of the show is just in my normal

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Speaker 1: voice because I don't have written out for me what

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Speaker 1: I say. So, Yeah, I love your content. I love

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Speaker 1: how you make evolutionary biology relatable, exciting, fun and scary.

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Speaker 1: It's it's definitely the kind of thing I'm super into.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, I really appreciate it. My whole thing

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Speaker 3: with what I do is I kind of wanted to

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Speaker 3: make the type of content that I myself as a

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Speaker 3: kid would have really liked not necessary for people that

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Speaker 3: don't necessarily watch the hour long documentaries or they're not

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Speaker 3: exactly Animal Planet like junkies the way I was, they

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Speaker 3: could still get something out of the content because of

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Speaker 3: just the way I present information. I feel like it's entertaining,

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Speaker 3: it's funny, but you can also come away with it

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Speaker 3: and learn something, and you have a bunch of things

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Speaker 3: you can like take to your friends and start conversations,

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Speaker 3: and you know, just being able to foster an interest

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Speaker 3: in the environment the way that I do. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think that's kind of the main goal of like the

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Speaker 3: platform that I have, and that's been going pretty well

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Speaker 3: so far.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the absolute best use of tik talk

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Speaker 1: because TikTok's very addictive, but I love just having these little,

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Speaker 1: like little cookies of information that you get and there

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Speaker 1: it is. It does remind me of when I was

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Speaker 1: a kid and i'd watched Animal Planet, one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite shows I think was like the World's Most Extreme

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Speaker 1: and they do like a countdown of the most extreme animals,

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Speaker 1: and that was always so fun.

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Speaker 3: No, I watched that show religiously.

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Speaker 1: Me too, just every day after school, and it was

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Speaker 1: like it was so exciting for me. And so I

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Speaker 1: love how you capture that excitement of like looking at

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Speaker 1: some of the most intense animals that blow your mind

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Speaker 1: that they even exist.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, Yeah, even if you watch that show and you

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Speaker 3: watch my content, you could definitely see like where I

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Speaker 3: like took inspiration from it. Like that show was. As

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Speaker 3: a kid, I wasn't really allowed to watch TV on

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Speaker 3: to get around that because Animal Planet Discovery channels technically educational,

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Speaker 3: watching the Most Extreme all the time. I had even

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Speaker 3: I love that show.

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Speaker 1: We would have been friends in school because yeah, that

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Speaker 1: I was all about that show. That was amazing. And

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Speaker 1: so today we are doing kind of the most extreme

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Speaker 1: animals in terms of how surprisingly deadly they are. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these are not the deadliest animals in the world or

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Speaker 1: we love, that look innocent, that look beautiful, and definitely

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. I feel like everyone can easily identify what

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Speaker 3: They kind of put human characteristics onto them to answer

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Speaker 3: form size them and to be fair, I do that

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Speaker 3: a lot of my videos. But I feel like when

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Speaker 3: animal that causes the most like injuries in America more

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Speaker 1: What It's just an animal, yeah, exactly. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: think there is this misconception that herbivores are harmless, that

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Speaker 2: You have to worry about.

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Speaker 1: But herbivores have a tough life. They have to defend themselves,

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Speaker 1: be herbivores. I mean, like hippos are much more dangerous

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Speaker 1: much more dangerous. You're much more likely to be injured

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Speaker 2: And it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is just respecting nature, not always thinking you

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Speaker 1: can like stroll right up to an animal, pick it up,

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Speaker 3: Definitely, something I would always say is that like when

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Speaker 3: you're dealing with a carnivore, you have to you just

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Speaker 3: why moose are like a pretty big problem, like more

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Speaker 3: understanding that these animals have been around for like millions

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Speaker 3: they're not like you can respect them from like a distance,

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Speaker 3: but once you like enter like their like environment, you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is. It's all about respect. You always

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Speaker 1: first we are going to talk about an animal that

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Speaker 1: looks very harmless in fact, like you may be on

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Speaker 1: these are the cone snails. They're one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: surprise dangers of I remember learning about these a long

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Speaker 1: cone snails are a group of beautiful marine mollusks with

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Speaker 1: There's over nine hundred species. They're found in warm tropical

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Speaker 3: And I feel like just snails in general are just

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Speaker 3: something cartoons teach a lot of people that snails are

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Speaker 3: like harmless and slow and just. But these cone snails,

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Speaker 3: they use. And another thing is they are ironically one

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Speaker 3: They are incredibly fast because they obviously they can't move,

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Speaker 3: because they're so colorful and a lot of people take

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, not pick them up.

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Speaker 1: is toxic, poisonous, or venomous. And yeah, these cone snails

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Speaker 1: are indeed very venomous, and like you said, you know,

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Speaker 1: And they are not like your typical innocent little snail,

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Speaker 1: marine snail. They are predatory carnivores and they are armed

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Speaker 1: a harpoon and it literally looks like a miniature harpoon,

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Speaker 1: It sticks into its victim, it injects the venom, and

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Speaker 1: So when it's hunting, this is great because it basically

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Speaker 1: uh just ambushes its victim with this harpoon. It paralyzes

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Speaker 1: it with these many like these conotoxins, like you said,

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Speaker 1: many many different compounds. That's why it's we don't have

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Speaker 2: It and get that business done.

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Speaker 1: And I love there's this technical name of the harpoon,

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Speaker 1: toxogloss and radula. It's a it's a but yeah. It

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Speaker 1: it does have certain species of cone snails. Like I

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Speaker 1: I think like they've got these long ears, these big feet,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, kangaroos. I have a theory, a working theory about kangaroos,

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Speaker 3: That's what kangaroos are on Australia, only they actively seek

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Speaker 3: In cartoons exactly. You know what, there has to be

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's Australia is so full of these dangerous animals.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine they don't have different speed like insurance

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Speaker 3: There has to be. I mean, even like something like

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Speaker 1: That's like, I feel like that is an embodiment of

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. Yeah, there's no regret

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Speaker 1: No remorse, remorseless pastry thief in my hero. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: And this is not.

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Speaker 1: This doesn't happen very often, so kangaroo fatalities are relatively rare.

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Speaker 3: that instinct always will be. So if it sees you

432
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 3: as a threat, like it really doesn't take much for

433
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 3: a kangaro to hurt you. A lot of people see

434
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 3: the cartoons with you know, the kangaroo and the boxing ring.

435
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 3: It's not the punches you have to worry for. Like,

436
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 3: what they'll do is they have powerful forums. They'll hold

437
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 3: you in place and try to kick you, and they

438
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 3: have a long, like sharp like middle toe nail that

439
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 3: can easily disemvalue and can cut through flesh. They've killed

440
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 3: dogs that way, especially since dogs are you know, lowered

441
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 3: the ground. So if it cuts like a crucial artery,

442
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 3: like anywhere near the neck, or for a human, if

443
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 3: it cuts like the femeral artery, that's where you can

444
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 3: get in a whole lot of trouble because you will

445
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 3: bleed out. And that's like that's how they injure each other. Like,

446
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 3: kangaroo fights aren't just like punching and kicking. They cause

447
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 3: like massive damage to each other where the loser often

448
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 3: sometimes just dies, Yeah, just can recover from those injuries.

449
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 3: So that's like, that's why, well, kangaroo attacks on humans

450
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 3: are rare. When they happen, they can be pretty like catastrophic.

451
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean sometimes you might see like

452
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: a photo of two kangaroos and it looks like they're hugging,

453
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: like it's like, oh, cute, they're hugging. No, no, they

454
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: are having a fight because the males will, like like

455
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: you said, they'll hold onto each other, lean back on

456
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: these strong, powerful tails and kick and scratch at each other.

457
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: And they have claws both on their forearms and on

458
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: their hind legs that they can use in with extremely

459
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: powerful kicks and armed with a claw that can be

460
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: very very dangerous and so like. So the western gray kangaroos,

461
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: which I believe are some of the most common kangaroos

462
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: in Australia.

463
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: They're fairly large.

464
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: They can weigh around one hundred and fifty pounds or

465
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 1: sixty eight kilograms for the male's females are a little smaller.

466
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,479
Speaker 1: Some have been known to weigh up to two hundred

467
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: pounds or ninety kilograms, but those are sort of the

468
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: big boys. But so much of that weight is like muscle,

469
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: and so much of that muscle is distributed to their

470
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: extremely powerful legs, so that is not something you want

471
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: to mess with. And they are not even the largest

472
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: kangaroo you mentioned earlier, the red kangaroo, which is the

473
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: largest kangaroo, and it.

474
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: Is quite big.

475
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: They can be, like you said earlier, six feet tall

476
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: or one point eight meters or even taller in certain circumstances.

477
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: They can weigh around two hundred pounds or ninety kilograms,

478
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: and they can run over thirty seven miles per hour

479
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: or sixty kilometers an hour, and they have three hundred

480
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: degree vision.

481
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 2: So if you think.

482
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: That you can escape an angry red kangaroo, it's that

483
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: you could not. If they were determined to catch up

484
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: to you and find you, they definitely would.

485
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the scary part is the way their legs

486
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 3: are and the way they like move they actually expend

487
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 3: less energy, like the faster they're moving when they're just

488
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 3: when kangaroos are kind of like at leisure and they're

489
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: like raising. Uh. They actually spend more energy doing that

490
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 3: than when they're in a full out bound going the

491
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 3: thirty five miles per hour. They can like max out

492
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 3: at Yeah. And with the guy, obviously it's like tragic.

493
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 3: But with like a male kangaroo, like the like I said,

494
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 3: the fights can cause serious injury and no kangaro wants

495
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 3: to deal with that, so they have these ways to

496
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: communicate that they don't want to fight that they're like

497
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 3: kind of letting the other guy like you know, you're

498
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 3: you're the alpha. That's fine. They'll do things like they

499
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 3: won't make eye contact is usually just bad with any animal,

500
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 3: especially like predator based. They'll try to avoid eye contact.

501
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 3: They'll do this thing where they'll cough, like that's kind

502
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 3: of like an admission of like submission where you're like

503
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 3: basically giving up before you like can potentially get hurt.

504
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: So I'm guessing with this man, he raises kangaroo, and

505
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 3: a lot of people raise these animals like humans, So

506
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: things that like things like eye contact, things like being loud.

507
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 3: They they're doing that with these animals, and eventually if

508
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 3: that animal feears threatened and you do those same behaviors.

509
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 3: It's going to see that as a threat no matter

510
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: what you tried to teach it throughout his life. And

511
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 3: I'm guessing I don't know the story with this man,

512
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 3: but it feels like the kangaroo was like standing up

513
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 3: to them. The guy was like not backing down, and

514
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: the kangaro saw as a threat and just did what

515
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 3: like instinctually they've been doing for like a while. So

516
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 3: that's just it's sad, But those are like reminders that

517
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: these are wild animals and they don't like not it's

518
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 3: only a matter of time before they like revert back

519
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 3: to like their actual wild behavior, right.

520
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: And we don't speak their language, so, like, you know,

521
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: you see this a lot in various animals. They don't

522
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: necessarily want to engage in conflict all the time. They

523
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: will if they feel that they need to, but especially

524
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: with like male and male sort of like rivalries, they

525
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,719
Speaker 1: will often have this like if the winner is really clear,

526
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: this is when they can back down from a fight.

527
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: Like if it's not so clear who would win this fight,

528
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: then you may have quite a violent fight. But if

529
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: you have like a male who's like, oh, I cannot

530
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: take you on, and I do not want to fight you.

531
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 1: They have a communication system for that because it is

532
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: costly to have a competition between two males. And yeah,

533
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: I think that probably it sounds about right, probably what happened,

534
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: you know, Like, especially if someone raises an animal.

535
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: From a baby, like from.

536
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: A young animal, they may be surprised when that animal

537
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: reaches maturity and their hormones kick in and their behavior

538
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: suddenly changes, because like a mature male is going to

539
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: be much different from an immature male. I mean the

540
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: same thing with female animals in many cases. But yeah,

541
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: once they reach maturity, their behaviors are going to be

542
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: quite different, and it can be more aggressive because you know,

543
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: this is the point at which they have to compete

544
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: for females, and so behaviors you may have had with

545
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: like a baby kangaroo with a joey that the joey

546
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: didn't you know, get upset by.

547
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: The adult kangaroo may get upset by it.

548
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: And again, if you don't know that much about kangaroos

549
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: or you don't speak kangaroo language, then you're not gonna

550
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: see that coming, that that change in behavior where they

551
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: no longer think you're just playing around, They think that

552
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: you're actually a threat or threatening them.

553
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, when a joy, when it goes from a joy

554
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: to a boomer, that's when that's when things change. That's

555
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: when the picking order changes.

556
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: In the house. Yeah. Yeah, and it can be quite violent.

557
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: I mean this is half, I would say, half myth,

558
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: but there is a truth to it, which is the

559
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: idea that kangaroos will try to drown you.

560
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: So I'm glad you I'm glad you brought that up.

561
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So there's this, i don't know what you'd

562
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: call it, old wives tale, internet rumor that kangaroos will

563
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: lure you into water so that they can drown you,

564
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: or lure a predator into water so they can drown you.

565
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: The intention to like the luring part of like, you know,

566
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: trying to get you to come in the water so

567
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: that they can drown you.

568
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: That's not true, care don't. They're as.

569
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: Sort of pugnacious as they are. They don't have like

570
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: a premeditated murder mindset where it's like I'm going to

571
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: get you in the water so that I can drown you.

572
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: But it is true that herbivores have a strategy where

573
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: they go into water when they feel threatened. And this

574
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: is not because they're planning on drowning you. This is

575
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: because often predators maybe don't want to follow you into

576
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: the water, Like you know, it's more difficult terrain for

577
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: a lot of predators. They're suddenly at a disadvantage because

578
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, they especially shorter predators. It's like now you

579
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: don't have any terra firma, any ground to like be

580
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: able to stabilize yourself against. So a predator might just

581
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: give up at that point. And that's what the kangaroos do.

582
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: But if a predator does follow them into the water,

583
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: they're going to defend themselves, and for a kangaroo, this

584
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: may mean drowning that predator.

585
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially as bipeds. Again, they can be pretty tall.

586
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 3: So like and I think they're the biggest predator might

587
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 3: be dingos, especially if they're like being hunted in pasts. Yeah,

588
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 3: So again, like it's a natural prey response to like

589
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 3: retreat into water. Plenty of animals do it, buffalo like,

590
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 3: but especially with kangaroos, Like they'll just go to the

591
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 3: deepest point. Now, if the animal happens to follow them

592
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: into the water again, like you said, they'll use their

593
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 3: forearms and try to shove them like underwater until they

594
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 3: either retreat or they just end up drowning them. And

595
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 3: that's why since they like had to deal with dingos

596
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 3: for so long, they're basically what I called like dog racists.

597
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: So like anything that looks like a dog, a kangaroo's

598
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 3: probably going to attack or attempt to drown. So like

599
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 3: if a kangaroo like runs into water, that's kind of

600
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 3: its last stand because again it's not actively trying to

601
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: like lure people in, like because that's still bringing conflict

602
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: to itself and no animal really likes that. But they

603
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: do have ways to like defend themselves if they do

604
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: get followed into the water. But it does remind me

605
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: of like this other myth where like people would say that, well,

606
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: for the longest, people thought the komodo dragon it was

607
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 3: the bacteria in its mouth that killed its prey, but

608
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 3: really it's it's venom. The problem is they do have

609
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: like a septic bite, and what do buffalo do if

610
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: they've been attacked, they'll like run into the water. And

611
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: then when you have like when you have this unclean,

612
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 3: unsanitary water around this open boom, that's when they can

613
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: develop like a bacterial infection and that's when these buffy

614
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: loo can have these slow, painful deaths, and that's how

615
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: the Komodo can end up tracking them, especially with their

616
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: sense of smell. They're like leather blood outs. They can

617
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: smell you at almost any point in the island. It's

618
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 3: they're actually they're legitimately terrifying. There's no point you can

619
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: go where Kamoto will eventually track you down. But I

620
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: think that's where the whole bacteria thing came from. But

621
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 3: like most prey animals have like an inclination to like

622
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: get into the water since most mammals have just the

623
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: natural ability to swim. So yeah, they just feel safe

624
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: the water. That's what they do. And uh it behelve

625
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 3: you not to follow them in there.

626
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: Yes, yes absolutely, you know they come out of dragon

627
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 1: put it like that.

628
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: It reminds me of the movie.

629
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: It follows just like this this very like this slow

630
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: and steady predator that's like inescapable. It's just tracking you

631
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: and as soon as you slow down, it's gonna get you.

632
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: It's so scary, it really is, because that's almost exactly

633
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: how they operate once like they I think another thing

634
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 3: is that people believe the komodo will bite once and

635
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 3: then let you get away and then track you. Not

636
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: really because obviously if one komodo can track you, a

637
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: whole bunch can. The thing is they have the one bite,

638
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 3: and if you do manage to escape, they have such

639
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: a developed sense of smell that they can track you wherever,

640
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: to the point where people would say, like women that

641
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 3: are in their eventual cycle are they should stay inside

642
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: if they're anywhere in kimmodo country because they really can

643
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 3: get tracked by kimmodo dragon. And I don't know how often.

644
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: I imagine it isn't too often, but there have been

645
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: cases of komodos like digging out human graves and eating

646
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 3: corpses inside. They're like apex. Yeah, so literally they can

647
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 3: eat anything, like including each other, like to the point

648
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: where young kimodos will often hide in trees where adult

649
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 3: komodos can't get them because adult kmodos will eat baby

650
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: kimodos like without hesitation. They're like truly like, uh, they're

651
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: pretty much like a relic from like back when we

652
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: had dinosaurs and everything, especially with like Megalaia. Megaladia was

653
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: just basically komodo dragon three times bigger. Yeah, so that's

654
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 3: truly terrifying.

655
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is.

656
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: There's it's it's how methodical they are, how thorough they are.

657
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: They're like the scariest serial killer where they can find

658
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: you anywhere, they have a great sense of smell, and

659
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: then they're so tenacious that they have the patience to

660
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: continue after Yeah.

661
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 3: It'll be days, days, they'll come after you.

662
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: Oh that's so scary.

663
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna take another quick break while I hyperventilate

664
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: about Kimodo dragons.

665
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 2: But when we're when.

666
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: We get back, we're going to talk about actually one

667
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: of the for me, it's one of the scariest animals,

668
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: though I also love it as I yes, yes, I

669
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: love them, but they terrify me in a way that

670
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: I think no other animal really does. So we will

671
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: talk about that right after the break. So I finally

672
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: got to see Nope, it's it. I don't know, of

673
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 1: all the horror movies, I feel like this one really

674
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: scared me in a profound way that other.

675
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: Ones don't really get at. I don't know.

676
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: Maybe it's maybe it's because I love evolutionary biology so much,

677
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: and there are so many references to evolutionary biology in it,

678
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 1: and it's like it.

679
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: Like touches on my deepest, darkest fears.

680
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: Honestly, it's the realism that really got me. Especially I

681
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 3: don't want to give away too much to anyone who

682
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 3: hasn't watched it yet, but certain things in that movie,

683
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: so the scariest scenes, those happened like in real life,

684
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: especially with one of the animals we're going to talk about. Yes, yeah,

685
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 3: in some pretty horrific like attacks, and ironically you don't

686
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: even see it in the movie, but like you get

687
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 3: you see just how catastrophic that kind of thing can be.

688
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it's I mean, yeah, the whole it does

689
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: touch upon and I don't think this will spoil anything,

690
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: but it will. It does touch upon the sort of

691
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: unconquerability of nature in certain ways where it's like we

692
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: think that because we're you know, we have our human

693
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: civilization and we you know, kind of have insulated ourselves

694
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: a lot, we feel sort of all powerful in a way,

695
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: but when it comes down to it, we are not.

696
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: And that is a little bit humbling and scary to

697
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: think about. So the most terrifying animal I think, which

698
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: is also an animal that I really love, and that's chimpanzees.

699
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: So they are, They're adorable, they are amazing. There are

700
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: close relatives, and they you know, are highly intelligent, and

701
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: they're absolutely terrifying in a way that I mean, it's

702
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: like I guess it is because they're so close to

703
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: being human that they're so scary, because there's a certain

704
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: like with when you know, if a lion eats you,

705
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: it's just being a lion, it's just trying to you know,

706
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: get its next meal. But a chimpanzee, like they could

707
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: be kind of sadistic in a human way, and that

708
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,959
Speaker 1: is there's something very uncanny about that. So they are

709
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: they they they kind of scare me not you know,

710
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 1: like obviously I still really love them because they are

711
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: they are incredible and incredible species, but they you know,

712
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: in the same way that I love humanity. But humans

713
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: can be the scariest things in the world to me.

714
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 3: That's well said. I definitely me too. I love chimpanzees.

715
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 3: I think they're really fascinating, intelligent, complex creatures. But uh,

716
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: there's a couple like there's a few misconceptions about them

717
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 3: that I feel like people kind of like overlook. One

718
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 3: is the whole people believe there's like this myth that

719
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: they're like five to eight times stronger than any given man.

720
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 3: It's more like one point five to two I'm stronger.

721
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 3: The thing is they have they're just riddled with extra

722
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 3: fast switched muscles so they can react faster. They basically

723
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 3: have four hands, like their legs function just the same.

724
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 3: They're incredibly strong. They have a really powerful bite force.

725
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: And number two is that chimpanzees are predators. They're not

726
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: like they're not like the herbivores that a gorillas are,

727
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 3: that are orangutan tans are. They actively hunt other animals

728
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 3: like colonbus monkeys and colonist monkeys. Aren't small. They're like

729
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: pretty big. If you've seen them in person. Bush babies,

730
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 3: they've been known they use spears to hunt bush babies.

731
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 3: But yeah, and they they hunt almost the exact same way.

732
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 3: Well not, it is the exact same way we did.

733
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 3: Like they have drivers animals that will like the chimps

734
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 3: that will go in and like freak the animals out

735
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 3: and chase, and then they have people. Yeah, they've got

736
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 3: they have a chimp station, specifically the more experienced ones

737
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: in the group that will ambush the animal and like

738
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: just like cut off its cut it off its path,

739
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 3: and once it catches it, they all like home in

740
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 3: on it and just literally just tear it to shreds.

741
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: But the part that really freaks me out about chimps

742
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: they will they can like commit calculated and coordinated acts

743
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 3: of violence the same way humans do. Like, uh, it's

744
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 3: rare for it to be within a troop, but that

745
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: can happen where basically chimps are like people. They form alliances,

746
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 3: they form friendships, but everything's calculated so if they feel

747
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: like one ship might be a threat to it, especially

748
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: in the hierarchy. Because chimps are like male dominated, they

749
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 3: can get they can get good with some guys in

750
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: the troop and they will jump this other chimp. And

751
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 3: that's it sounds it might sound funny the way I'm describing,

752
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 3: that's literally what will happen. There are videos, obviously they're

753
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: pretty graphic, but well of chimps just committing like acts

754
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 3: of violence against their own, tearing them apart, and they

755
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 3: don't just kill them. They know what's important to a chimpanzee,

756
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: they know same thing with a human. They know it's

757
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 3: important to a human. So it's almost like they draw

758
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 3: out like the way they torture you. And that's why

759
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 3: with chimp attack victims, the ones that survive, that is,

760
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: they all have the same like injuries. They have a

761
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 3: disfigured face, they're missing fingers, if not entire hands, their feet.

762
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: They go for genitals because they know that that's important.

763
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 3: They know what that does, they know the implication of

764
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 3: losing that. So they like, if you see like a

765
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 3: rival chimp that was attacked by other chimps, it's usually

766
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: missing it's genitalia. And that's just how vicious these guys

767
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 3: can be.

768
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it reminds me of like human warfare,

769
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to remember. I think it was some Yeah,

770
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: it might have been some kind of Greek thing. I'm

771
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: sure I'm getting getting it wrong, but there was something

772
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: where there is some ancient war and basically they cut

773
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: off the enemies genitals to like prove that they had,

774
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, defeated this enemy. And it's yeah, I mean

775
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: I think that you're exactly right that it's the ability

776
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: for these animals to kind of calculate things that is

777
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: so unsettling. Like they, like you said, they can form

778
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: these alliances, so mail chimps are arranged in this dominance hierarchy,

779
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: with dominant males sometimes violently enforcing their authority, but sometimes

780
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: the weaker males will form these alliances and together they

781
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: can take down a more dominant chimpanzee that otherwise they

782
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: would not be able to take down. And so they

783
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: can like basically form a coalition, decide to either murder

784
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: or intimidate another chimpanzee and enact that plan. But they're

785
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: also like kind of fickle, so they can backstab each other,

786
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 1: so if a better opportunity arises, they can totally turn

787
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 1: on each other. I mean, like, I'm sure the drama

788
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: that have weppens in a chimpanzee troop is something that

789
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: could be put on you know, HBO. It can get

790
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 1: very very messy, messy drama and also very violent drama.

791
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: You know, they are they are highly social, so they're

792
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: not constantly attacking each other. There can be harmony, There

793
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: can be you know, like they like to groom each

794
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: other to sort of affirm social bonds. But you know,

795
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: they can be quite violent, and they can even be

796
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: violent within the same group.

797
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: The worst violence is like out.

798
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,959
Speaker 1: Of outside of their own group. There can be these

799
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: really really vicious. I mean there it's basically wars like

800
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: wars with other groups over territory, just like humans do.

801
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: So I would say it's like, you know, I don't

802
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: think chimpanzees are evil, but they are unnervingly like humans,

803
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, they are, so they're they're that kind of

804
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: the capacity for violence and their motivations for it's similar

805
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: to humans. Although I'd say humans we did evolve to

806
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: become more gentle, to become more cooperative, and so that

807
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: is that's good news for us that we are not

808
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: quite so grumpy, I would say, as chimpanzees are, which

809
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: which is good, which is probably one of the reasons

810
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: that we have been so successful. Is that greater cooperation

811
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: and more capacity for being gentle and less being less

812
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: prone to fly into a rage than chimpanzees are.

813
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's probably the most eerie thing about them,

814
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 3: is just that they share ninety percent of their DNA

815
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 3: with humans and you can see it. And I don't

816
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: know if they will, like like I said, they'll commit

817
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 3: these coordinated attacks against other troops that if you see,

818
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 3: if they you see it happen like they walk in

819
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: single file lines and once they leave their territory, they

820
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 3: go completely silent. Every once in a while they'll stop

821
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 3: and just listen for other chimps and try to gauge

822
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 3: how many other chimps are in this rival group. And

823
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: once the leader like says, gives the go ahead, they

824
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 3: just go an attack. They'll take like sticks and like

825
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 3: bang them against the base of trees. They'll scream and

826
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: shall try to make themselves seem like there's more of

827
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 3: them than there actually are, and they will specifically go

828
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 3: after the children, and like it can get incredibly like grizzly,

829
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: to the point where they will tear apart like infant

830
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 3: chimpanzees and then just cannibalize them and just share them

831
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 3: with the rest of the troopers. That part might not

832
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 3: be too human or no, well humans now, like they

833
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 3: have theories about cavemen and what their diets consisted of.

834
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 3: I don't know if we can talk about that here,

835
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: but it's you'll see it. But like, yeah, that's the

836
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 3: whole thing with chimps. And the thing is chimps like humans,

837
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 3: they have different personalities. They're not all like raising psychopaths,

838
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 3: but like they are humans, but without the social construct,

839
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 3: there is no jail. There is no, like RELI, there's

840
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 3: just survival, yeah, and act and just acting in your

841
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 3: best interest, like not selfishness. It has like a negative connotation,

842
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 3: but like in this you have to be selfish like

843
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 3: in the wild. And that's what you see with chimps

844
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: and the way they'll form these alliances, the way they

845
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: can backstab each other, the way they can decide they

846
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 3: don't like another chimpanzee. Like there was one one of

847
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 3: the worst like chimp attacks that I've like seen, Like

848
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: it was on YouTube. It got like taken down a

849
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 3: while ago, but it was just it was it was

850
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 3: in a within the truth too. There was this one

851
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 3: chimpanzee who just seemed to have the wrong like type

852
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 3: of personality. He was like very outgoing, very ambitious, but

853
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: he also wasn't like it's weird to say people person

854
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 3: but he wasn't great at forming alliances with the other chimps.

855
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 3: But he was also acting like he was like higher

856
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 3: up than he really should have been. They didn't like that,

857
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 3: and one day, maybe like ten to fifteen of them

858
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: just converged on him and beat him down to the

859
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 3: point where one of the older like higher ranking mails

860
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 3: stepped in and like stopped it, but by the time

861
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: they did, he was like mortally wounded. It was clear

862
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 3: he wasn't welcome in the troop, and like two days

863
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: later researchers found his body. Yes, that's not super like

864
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 3: common within the troop, but like chimpan chimp homicide is

865
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 3: like it's a thing and it's really it's ugly. Yeah,

866
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 3: when it happens to humans, you see just how strong

867
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: and a motivated chimp can't be.

868
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is yeah, it's I think so wild chimps

869
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: don't tend to attack humans. They are pretty smart in

870
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: terms of avoiding humans because we know we are bad news.

871
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 1: But captive chimps are the ones who are the most dangerous,

872
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: even though like it's it's ironic, right because it's like,

873
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: if we've raised a chimpanzee and like quote unquote tamed it,

874
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: it seems like it'd be safer than a wild chimpanzee,

875
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: but it's not because it's actually bolder because it's not

876
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: afraid of humans, and it also has more opportunity to

877
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: attack humans. So captive chimpanzees are actually quite a bit

878
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: more dangerous than a wild chimpanzee because a wild chimpanzee

879
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: is probably just gonna like run away from you. It's

880
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: not necessarily going to want to. I mean, they chimp

881
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: attacks do happen in the wild, but they generally want

882
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: to avoid people if they can, if they feel that

883
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: they can. But yeah, these scariest attacks have been from

884
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: pet chimpanzees. And I say pet in sort of the

885
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: loosest possible version of the term. I do not think

886
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: that pretty much any primate really can be kept as

887
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: a pet. Like, yeah, I mean, strictly speaking, people do it,

888
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: but it's not you know, they are not domesticated animals.

889
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: Their lives with a human aren't going to be fulfilling

890
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: for them. And it is especially for something like a

891
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: chimpanzee that's very smart, has a lot of social needs,

892
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: and is very very strong. That's like a recipe for disaster.

893
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: And you mentioned something earlier that I think is really interesting,

894
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: so that chimpanzees. No, they're not like five times as

895
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: strong as a human, but they are pound four pounds

896
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: stronger than us, and they're about one and a half

897
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: times stronger than us, even though they're only like they're

898
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: maybe about five feet tall one hundred and fifty centimeters tall,

899
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: maybe ninety to one hundred and fifty pounds. They're not

900
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: that huge. But you mentioned those those fast twitch muscle fibers,

901
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: so those are the more powerful muscle fibers, but they

902
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: fatigue more quickly, so they are able to kind of

903
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: go into this like berserker mode, whereas humans don't have

904
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: as much density of these fast which muscle fibers. Ours

905
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: are actually a little better for endurance, which has actually

906
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: suited us really well. It's been very successful for humans.

907
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, we don't have as much of that like

908
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: sort of instant access to this like incredible strength that

909
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: chimpanzees do. So so yeah, when if it's a chimpanzee

910
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,959
Speaker 1: versus a human, often the chimpanzee will come on top,

911
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: and it.

912
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 2: Is it is very scary, like they are.

913
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: Capable of a lot of damage, and yeah, it's you know,

914
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: like like you mentioned, I think when these famous cases

915
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: of chimpanzees, like they can you know, destroy your entire face,

916
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: amputate your hands, it is it's very it's upsetting, and

917
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: I think it is it is a kind of harrowing

918
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: reminder that these are not pets. These are not fun

919
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: goofy little like trainable you know, circus pets that we

920
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: can just have and feel this sort of entitlement over.

921
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that's something people forget a lot.

922
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 3: Like they are predators, Like owning a chimp is really

923
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: no different from owning like a grizzly bear, right, it

924
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 3: is an incredibly intelligent predator that cannot be tamed. And

925
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 3: I think the most famous chimp attack evolve was definitely

926
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 3: what happened with Charlotte Nashvill's Travis back in two thousand

927
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 3: and nine. People that don't know, there was this lady

928
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 3: Sandra Na Sandra Herold. She had a chimpanzee, Travis, as

929
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 3: she raised as a baby, just she raised him as

930
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 3: a human, taught him. He knew how to drive cars,

931
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 3: he would drink out of wine glasses, he would drink

932
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 3: actual wine. Actually it's part of the family. But the

933
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 3: thing with chimps is they are in terms of strength,

934
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 3: they are about they might be the same or slightly

935
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 3: inferior to humans up until about five years old. Once

936
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 3: they start to hit like puberty, especially the males, that's

937
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 3: when things change. They become a whole lot stronger. Their

938
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 3: attitude changes because around that time they'd probably be fighting

939
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 3: for like their place in a hierarchy, in a troop,

940
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 3: that's when they're like that's when their sexual maturity hits.

941
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 3: So with Travis, he was raised around humans his entire life,

942
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 3: never saw another him, so he's not engaging in any

943
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 3: of those like natural instincts that he still has. He

944
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 3: obviously there's no female chip for Travis. And eventually, unfortunately Sandra,

945
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 3: his owner's husband, passed away. Uh he was affected by that. Travis,

946
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 3: he exhibited signs that he was like depressed and like breathing.

947
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: But Sandra was also depressed and she couldn't really take

948
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 3: care of Travis the way that she was before. Also,

949
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: he had some incidents outside where people believe it wasn't

950
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 3: safe for him to really be outside, although since he

951
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 3: was around and everyone was familiar with him, nobody thought

952
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 3: to have him taken away. So now he was confined

953
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 3: to the house. After seeing after being allowed to be outside,

954
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 3: he was confined into the house. He was well overweight

955
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 3: eventually that he was put on Xanax to deal with

956
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 3: like his uh yeah, emotional issues that he had. It

957
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 3: was it was a matter of time and like that,

958
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 3: like he was going to it was gonna happen eventually,

959
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 3: and unfortunately it happened with with Charlotte Nash and like

960
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 3: the worst possible way. But like with chimps, they have

961
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 3: two ways of really hurting you. One is like, well,

962
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 3: I guess three, But so one would be just bludgeting

963
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 3: you with their arms and again there's so much stronger

964
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 3: than people. So like it. It feels like imagine somebody

965
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 3: hitting you full force, like not holding back at all

966
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 3: with their forearm or their elbows or like kicking you,

967
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 3: and it's like multiply because this chimp might actually be

968
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 3: trying to kill you. Two is that they'll bite, bite

969
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 3: at the face. They have powerful Again, they're predators, they're

970
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 3: not just herbivores, so they have teeth designed to like

971
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 3: tear through flesh and they'll do that. They go for

972
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 3: the face because they know that's at a really conflict damage.

973
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 3: Sometimes they'll go out of their way to goug your

974
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 3: eyes out. And then three would be they have hands

975
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 3: and they'll just tear at you. Yeah, with chimps, it's

976
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 3: like like you said, you made a good point that

977
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 3: chimps they have all the muscles, fast switch muscles, but

978
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 3: they're not really built for endurance. You can see that

979
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 3: the differences and how we hunt. We were long distance runners,

980
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 3: so we would just chase prey and no matter how

981
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 3: far it would run, eventually we will catch up. It

982
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 3: would get exhausted, and then we would hunt them. Chimps

983
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 3: focus all their energy into one like explosive like charge

984
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 3: to like catch their their prey off guard. So with chimps,

985
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 3: a lot of times they'll attack you and then kind

986
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 3: of just rest a little bit while you're there, and

987
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 3: then especially if it's if it's a group attack, one

988
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 3: chip will like make this a long call and they'll

989
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 3: like kind of just initiate it all over again. Like

990
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 3: these chip attacks can if it's not put down, it

991
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 3: could last a very long time where it's not killing you,

992
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 3: but it's like slowly chipping away, taking time to like

993
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 3: it's it's just it's truly awful, and it's like, yeah,

994
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 3: it's it's it's never pretty when the chimp's involved, and

995
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 3: for the chimp, it's like a miserable way to live,

996
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 3: you know. If there's something that intelligent, like that's another

997
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 3: conversation you can have about whether chimps really can be

998
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 3: in captivities an animal that intelligent, that has a level

999
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 3: of self awareness, and the fact that it's like behind

1000
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 3: a cage or like it lives a certain way and

1001
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 3: it sees people in racts with people, but it's like

1002
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 3: from behind the glass, it's they're probably there's probably a

1003
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 3: lot to going gone, and it's head to the point

1004
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 3: where like now that they're they're actively like trying to

1005
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 3: act out or they're engaging in like delicious like acts,

1006
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 3: because that's kind of what boredom can do. That's why,

1007
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 3: like animals in captivity are much more dangerous than ones

1008
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 3: in the wild, like orcas are the best example, while

1009
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: dominant apex predator like of the world, like not just

1010
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 3: the ocean of the world never killed a human in

1011
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 3: the wild, multiple like kills like captivity. Same thing with tigers,

1012
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 3: most tiger deaths these days. Well I guess that might

1013
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 3: not be true, but like there's a high density of

1014
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 3: tigers in America. I think there's more tigers in America

1015
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 3: than in the rest of the world, like combined. That's

1016
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 3: where like most of the occur, especially in me.

1017
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: Isn't it like more captive it really is than they

1018
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: exist in the wild, Yeah, I mean it is.

1019
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: I think it's also I think that's part of the reason.

1020
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean that I feel that it's it's not just

1021
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: fear when it comes to chimpanzees. There's something deeply unsettling

1022
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: about it. And I think it's the empathy that I

1023
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: feel for them, because you know, they have, like animals

1024
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: have minds, chimpanzees have a very very intelligent mind, and

1025
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: so they can have, you know, mental health needs, and

1026
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: if those mental health needs aren't met, they can suffer mentally.

1027
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: And then but on top of that, they don't have

1028
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: the same moral reasoning that humans have. And so a

1029
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: chimpanzee who is suffering mentally, like I think it sounds

1030
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: like Travis was, you know, they can act in a

1031
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: way that is, you know, basically an expression of their

1032
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: suffering or their anger or whatever. But they don't necessarily

1033
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: understand exactly what they're doing, So they don't necessarily have

1034
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: the moral reasoning of thinking like, oh, I'm you know,

1035
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like do something bad to this person or something.

1036
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily you know, we don't know how Obviously

1037
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: we can't step into the consciousness of a chimpanzee, so

1038
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: we don't know exactly what they're thinking. But I don't

1039
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: think that they have the same meta cognition that a

1040
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: human would.

1041
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 2: And so there's something like I don't know.

1042
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't say anymore without spoiling the movie.

1043
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 2: Nope, but I would.

1044
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: Say, if you have a capacity for watching horror movies

1045
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: and this idea of you know, of having empathy for

1046
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: an animal that's also kind of scary, like, you should

1047
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: definitely watch the movie.

1048
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 2: But it's yeah, it is.

1049
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 1: I think it's such a it's such an important thing

1050
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: to respect animals in terms of not just in terms

1051
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: of how they can be dangerous towards us, but also

1052
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: in terms of like their emotional needs, their emotional state,

1053
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: and that an animal who does something that's terrifying to us,

1054
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: like mauling person, like well, let's find out why they

1055
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: did that, not blaming the person who was mald necessarily.

1056
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: But there is a problem I think when we when

1057
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: we try to, when we have sort of the hubris

1058
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: to think that we can incorporate wild animals neatly into

1059
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: our human lifestyles, that I think we need to kind

1060
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: of kind of face and realize that it's not. A

1061
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: wild animal is intelligent, they have a mind, they have emotions,

1062
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: but they aren't necessarily they're not you know, little furry

1063
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: humans that we can like, you know, bring into our

1064
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: society and then like have you know, have them perform

1065
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: tricks for us and you know, have as a form

1066
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: of entertainment.

1067
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. I really think it just goes back to people

1068
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 3: just placing human traits on animals, and a lot of

1069
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 3: times people will do that to kind of rationalize exploiting them,

1070
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 3: whether it's exploiting them as a house pet that has

1071
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 3: no business being there, or in Travis's case, he was

1072
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 3: used in commercials, TV shows things like that. These animals

1073
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 3: don't really have the understanding that you do. So like

1074
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 3: if an animal's upset and like you're reacting in a

1075
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 3: certain way, it's not going to rationalize that, Okay, it's

1076
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So, like that's how these

1077
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 3: attacks can happen. So a big example that I'd like

1078
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 3: to use. Are you familiar with Grizzly Man?

1079
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I am Timothy Treadwell.

1080
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. So basically the important thing is he wasn't like

1081
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 3: a zoologist or a biologist or anything. I think he

1082
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 3: was like a failed actor or something. He went down

1083
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 3: like a bad path. One of his friends introduced him

1084
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 3: to the landscape of I believe it was Alaska. He

1085
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 3: went to Alaska and he witnessed brown bears and it

1086
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: was kind of like this epiphany that he had that

1087
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 3: he wanted to study these bears, which is great, but

1088
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 3: the way he went about it, he would for I

1089
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 3: think it was about thirteen years that he would just

1090
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 3: go camp out in the Alaska wilderness. He would get

1091
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 3: really close to these bears and he claimed to like

1092
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 3: have their trust, that they had understanding. And again, you

1093
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 3: can't really you can't tame a predator. You never you

1094
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 3: never can. But he got away with it for so

1095
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 3: long that people thought there was some truth to like

1096
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 3: what he was doing. And I will give him credit

1097
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 3: for he was he actively tried to be an advocate

1098
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 3: for these bears, trying to have people see them as

1099
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 3: other than like killing machines. But eventually that's kind of

1100
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 3: that went, like he went so far in that direction

1101
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 3: and he kind of like did a three sixty and

1102
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 3: then like kind of like h made it worse for them.

1103
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 3: So basically like he started getting cocky with these bears.

1104
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 3: He was getting really close to bear cubs, really close

1105
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 3: to them around I think that's what when it happened.

1106
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 3: So like bears obviously they have to hibernate, so they

1107
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 3: have to they have to basically go on all They

1108
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 3: pretty much both for the most part. They both were

1109
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 3: They taken as many calories as possible. Obviously resources the

1110
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 3: competition for resources gets really intense, so that's like the

1111
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 3: worst time to be around, like in bear territory, especially

1112
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 3: if it's around males. So he went around that time,

1113
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 3: right the maybe two to three months before hibernation where

1114
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 3: they're at their most like irritable, when people told him

1115
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 3: not to. Not only that, like, but he also he

1116
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 3: placed his tent around a well known bear trail to

1117
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 3: the point where if a bear wanted to access, like

1118
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 3: it was like a stream where they can get sim

1119
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 3: and it would have to walk right past his tent.

1120
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 3: I think he even brought his girlfriend with him, and

1121
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 3: she was like afraid of it. He's been he had

1122
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 3: been doing it for like thirteen years. I guess she

1123
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 3: trusted him, so it was I remember the day, it

1124
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 3: was October fifth. I think he sent like either a

1125
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 3: message or call whatever he said to a friend talking

1126
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 3: about the landscape. He was like, yeah, the bears are great.

1127
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 3: They're acting a little bit weird, but I'm gonna stay

1128
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 3: here anyway. This is amazing. The very next day they

1129
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 3: found their bodies half eaten. And worst part was right

1130
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 3: when the attack started, a camera was rolling, the lens

1131
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 3: was on. You can still hear it, so like there

1132
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 3: was this six minute audio of this man being eaten

1133
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 3: alive by a grizzly bear that I can't remember if

1134
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 3: it was a bear that he actually knew, if it

1135
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 3: was just some friend.

1136
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 2: I think it was.

1137
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 1: I think it was a bear he was not as

1138
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: familiar with, but he still tried to approach it, which

1139
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: was enough yet another sort of mistake he made, among many, Yeah.

1140
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 3: Among them exactly, And yeah, a six minute audio of

1141
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 3: him just slowly because that's the thing with bears, like

1142
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 3: big cats still kill their prey, usually take it somewhere

1143
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 3: where they don't have to worry about competition from other predators.

1144
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 3: Animals like bears, like wild dogs, hyenas, they just tear

1145
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 3: into you, like whether you're alive or not. And that's

1146
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 3: what happened. Like the bear incapacitated him and just ate him,

1147
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 3: and his girl was there. She's screaming, So what happens next?

1148
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 3: The bear comes after her? Yeah, and audio never was released.

1149
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 3: People say they've heard it, they've heard reenactments. Reenactment, yes, yeah.

1150
01:01:58,240 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 2: Because I think didn't.

1151
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: Wasn't it very Herzog who like listened to the audio

1152
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: and decided because like he was listening to it for

1153
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: the family to try to determine whether they should hear

1154
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: it or not, and he was like, nobody should hear this.

1155
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: It's it's like this would be too traumatizing. So it's

1156
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: never been Thankfully, you know, it's never been released. I

1157
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: think that's that's a merciful thing for the family not

1158
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: to not to have that out there. But god, yeah,

1159
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: it's I I remember when I read about that, I

1160
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: had nightmares that I was like listening to the audio,

1161
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:36,439
Speaker 1: but of course it doesn't exist, but the imagination can

1162
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:40,479
Speaker 1: can fill in the blanks in a very terrifying way.

1163
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if this was true, but I heard

1164
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 3: her report saying that he were Canta saying that he

1165
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 3: kind of wished that he had released it just to

1166
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 3: like have people understand just what theirs are capable of,

1167
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 3: because I feel like people still haven't really learned. But ultimately, like,

1168
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 3: and this is where I kind of have to take

1169
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 3: back the credit I gave him. He said he tried

1170
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 3: to be an ad for these bears. All he did

1171
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 3: was like he got himself like killed by a bear.

1172
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 3: And what happens to the bear that they had to

1173
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 3: hunt the bear down kill it. And now people are

1174
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 3: hearing about this horrific bear.

1175
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: A type that yeah, yeah, yeah, because once a bear

1176
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: like kills a human, they it's like, well, you the

1177
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: bear can't see humans as a source of food and

1178
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: go and hunt someone else down, so then they have

1179
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: to go and euthanize it. And it's I mean, it's

1180
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: just it's bad, bad news all around. I mean, it's

1181
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: such a horrifying thing to happen to anyone. But yeah,

1182
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just we we. I think it is

1183
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: this like sense of we're so insulated as humans because

1184
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: we've protected ourselves with our society, with with all of

1185
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: our sort of innovations and our intelligence that you know.

1186
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes that can lend itself to this

1187
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: idea that we are not prey anymore. We're not we're

1188
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: not in danger. You know, we're not you know, nothing

1189
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: could view us as prey, right because we're humans. We're

1190
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: like on top of the food chain, and that is

1191
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: not not true at all.

1192
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, And whether it's with Travis or the bear, or

1193
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,439
Speaker 3: with Sigfried and Roy and their tiger Montok or it's

1194
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 3: just there's like a level of arrogance that some people

1195
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 3: can get where they feel like they have complete control

1196
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 3: over this wild animal. And really it's like we are

1197
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 3: where we are at because of intelligence. Mostly because of intelligence.

1198
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 3: There's obviously physical attributes that we have, like being able

1199
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 3: to run for a really long period of time, being

1200
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 3: able to I think we might be one of the

1201
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 3: no we are We can throw things with accuracy that

1202
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 3: other animals don't have, just on like us having thumbs

1203
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 3: and hands and the way our shoulders are placed. But ultimately,

1204
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 3: like one on one, we can't do anything with these predators, right,

1205
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 3: especially something like a bear or a tiger or a chimpanzee,

1206
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 3: things that hunt for a living. Yeah, you know, so

1207
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 3: there's like it. You can raise them as a baby,

1208
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 3: you can try to like you they're not human though,

1209
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 3: And all it takes is like one moment of them

1210
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 3: referring back to their predatory instincts. It doesn't even have

1211
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 3: to be a predator, but just that's when like things

1212
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 3: can happen, and ultimately that animal gets put down because of.

1213
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: It exactly, and our language doesn't align with them. Like

1214
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: for chimps, like with humans, eye contact and smiling is

1215
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: a nice thing. It's you know, showing the other person like, hey,

1216
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: I'm friendly, how's it going. If you do that to

1217
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: a chimp, you're basically telling it like hey, you know,

1218
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: like hum man like, and it's like a confrontation. It's

1219
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: like eye contact and showing your teeth is very confrontational

1220
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: for a chimpanzee. So like, you can't walk up to

1221
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: a chimpanzee act like a human and have it understand

1222
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:44,439
Speaker 1: what you're trying to say, what your body language means,

1223
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: because it can mean something very different. And I think

1224
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: in cases where we successfully have pets, like with dogs

1225
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: and cats, these are cases, I mean, especially for dogs,

1226
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: we have selected over thousands and thousands of years and

1227
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: co evolved with them to the point where our styles

1228
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: of communication can interlock. So like we can communicate with

1229
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: a dog when we see a dog. We although sometimes

1230
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: people can mistake body language of dogs, for sure, a

1231
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: lot of the dog's body language is readable by us,

1232
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: and they can actually read our body language fairly well.

1233
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: They can read our facial expressions our intonation. So it's like,

1234
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: this is why dogs and also cats, you know, are

1235
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: quite good pets, whereas something like a chimpanzee, a grizzly bear,

1236
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: a kangaroo. These, you know, they can't really you know,

1237
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: they can only be tamed inas much. They can be

1238
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: habituated to humans, but they can't really be tamed.

1239
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 2: They can't. They are not pets.

1240
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: And you know, we can't make them into pets unless

1241
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: we had some kind of like you know again, tried

1242
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: to selectively breed them over thousands and thousands of years,

1243
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: which I don't see the point in doing that either.

1244
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. My favorite line in the entire movie no spoiler,

1245
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 3: but they says something about you can't tame a predator.

1246
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 3: The best you can do is enter an agreement with one, right,

1247
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 3: And I think that's something that a lot of people forget. Yeah,

1248
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 3: and that's when these incidents happened.

1249
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, man. Yeah, I think it's it

1250
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: is such a good movie for evolutionary biologists, but it's

1251
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: also such nightmare fuel because like all of it, it's

1252
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: just because they did their research for that movie, I

1253
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: can really tell. So it's yeah, it's it's very it's

1254
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 1: very good. But because they were so thorough with the

1255
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 1: research and it is so realistic that is it's it

1256
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: makes it.

1257
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 2: Quite scary, definitely.

1258
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: So before we go at the end of every episode,

1259
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: I like to play a little game called Guess Who's Squawking?

1260
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: It's a mystery animal sound game. Every week I play

1261
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: a mystery animal found now it's called gets who squawking?

1262
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: But it can be any animal in the world, not

1263
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: necessarily a bird, any animal. Uh and uh, you the

1264
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: listener and you the guests trying to guess who is squalking'?

1265
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 2: So uh.

1266
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 1: Last week's hint was there's nothing deadly or sinful about

1267
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: this cutie.

1268
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 2: Uh.

1269
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: And this is a sound I honestly had no idea

1270
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: this is what this animal sounded.

1271
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 2: Like until I googled it. So here it is. Can

1272
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:25,919
Speaker 2: you guess who's.

1273
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 3: Making that sound? Is it a wh I get hints?

1274
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,799
Speaker 1: Well, the hint is there's nothing deadly or sinful about

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01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 1: this cutie.

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Speaker 2: Do you need any any more?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: You can ask me a question and I can answer.

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Speaker 3: Is it a herbivore? It is, yes, not domesticated?

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Speaker 2: Is it now?

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Speaker 3: Can I hear it again? Yes?

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Speaker 1: You can just slot Yeah, it is good job you are.

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Speaker 1: You are like an encyclopedia for animal knowledge, so I'm

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Speaker 1: not surprised that you got this.

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Speaker 3: But yes, I also wondering where I heard that from.

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Speaker 3: There's compilations of like baby's slow often. Yeah, it's like

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Speaker 3: free serotonin. I love it. I recommended anyone watching yourself.

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Speaker 1: It is I an ear medicine for the soul. It's wonderful. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I had no idea this is what they sounded like

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Speaker 1: until I just added curiosity, googled, like, hey, what does

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01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: slaws sound like? These are baby two toed sloths. They

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Speaker 1: are Slavs found in Central and South America. I don't

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Speaker 1: believe the adults make these sounds. I think this is

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Speaker 1: just the babies because they are bleeding for their mothers,

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01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: so they spend their first nine months of lives constantly

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Speaker 1: attached to their mothers, and so when they're at like

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Speaker 1: a rescue rehabilitation animal center, they will often be given

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Speaker 1: teddy bears so they have something to hold onto to

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Speaker 1: comfort them, which is really adorable. Also a little sad,

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Speaker 1: but yes, they will make this bleating noise until somebody

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01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 1: picks them up or they get to cuddle a teddy

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Speaker 1: bear which is ador and makes me want to cry.

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Speaker 3: And that is your wholesome fact for the week.

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Speaker 1: After this, after this show where we talked about animals

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Speaker 1: eating your face, adorable baby sloth say it. There you go,

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Speaker 1: the shot and then the chaser. Congratulations to Joey P,

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01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: Lily H, and Grant W the three fastest to correctly

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01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 1: guess sloth, although maybe I should have rewarded the three

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01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: slowest guessers given that you know to sloth anyway, make

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Speaker 1: a suggestion.

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Speaker 3: Next one should be like, ask them play what they

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Speaker 3: sound like and then see if they can guess, because

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Speaker 3: if they've never heard it before, they will never in

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Speaker 3: a million years guess.

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Speaker 1: That the the hauntingly angry banshee screaming of a koala. Yes,

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01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: they are, they are, They're I understand why people like

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01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 1: why Australians have the drop bear mythos just based on

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01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 1: uh when koalas are a screen me angrily.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, there's like one hundred different types

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Speaker 3: of cryptids in Australia and I'm so sure half of

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01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 3: them originated from koalis.

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Speaker 1: Loud it's qualas, Yeah, absolutely, It's like how probably all

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Speaker 1: the cryptids in the US are either sand hill cranes

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01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 1: or coyotes with mange, and that's it, like all your captives.

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Speaker 3: I was disappointed. I remember as like, in like seventh grade,

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01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 3: I saw that video that went viral at the well,

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01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,799
Speaker 3: I guess at the time of like that chuop ofcabre.

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01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 3: Then I revisited it because I randomly just was curious

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01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 3: about it ten years later, and I was like, oh wait,

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Speaker 3: it's a coyote.

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01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,719
Speaker 1: Coyote with mange. It's always a coyote with maine.

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Speaker 3: Pretty anti climactic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Also, sometimes listeners send me in pictures of like is this,

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01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: like what species is this? Like I found this and

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01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: it looks like some kind of you know, novel species

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01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 1: in North America, and it's like it's either coyote with mange,

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01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 1: maybe a fox with mange. When an animal gets mange

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01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 1: and it messes up their fur, it can make them

1340
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: like almost unrecognizable and look very very creepy. But unfortunately

1341
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, just a sick animal. It's nothing

1342
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: scary or creepy. It's just sad. But uh onto this

1343
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: week's mister animal sound. The hint is they sound like

1344
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: drunks on land and alien spaceships. In the sea, but

1345
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: they're always chill.

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01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 3: Mm hmmmmmm mm hmmm. That's them on land.

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01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 2: So now this is them under the water.

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Speaker 3: I have actually stopt on this one. So they're amphibious.

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Speaker 1: Then, yes, they spend time both on the land and

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Speaker 1: under the water. Now they are mammals. Yes, so that's

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Speaker 1: another free.

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Speaker 3: Hint, because the obvious one would be whales. But then

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01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 3: you said on land, so huh interesting. Uh, Okay, it's

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01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 3: sometimes a SELC line. I'm gonna see.

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Speaker 1: Oh is it it is?

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Speaker 2: You are absolutely correct?

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01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, because that's okay, I see.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So you'll the listeners out there, you'll have heard

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01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 1: a cute little duck quack over what mama du said.

1360
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: But he did guess it correctly, and you'll have a

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01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,719
Speaker 1: chance to guess it. If you think you know the answer,

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01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: you can write to me at Creature feature Pod at

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01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. But I am very very impressed by

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Speaker 1: your animal sound guessing abilities. I don't think I could

1365
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: have done that, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I took a couple of guesses and a lot of hints,

1367
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 3: but yeah, definitely definitely an interesting one, Dick. You would

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01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 3: have to hear it before to like guess that, like

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01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 3: I would not have been able to guess. That's just blind.

1370
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, I And like I I had a

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Speaker 1: listener from I think as far as Jaber who came

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Speaker 1: on and recommended this animal noise as one that is

1373
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 1: is quite strange, very otherworldly. It sounds like underwater. They

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01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 1: sound like aliens, like alien spaceships. It's it's kind of

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Speaker 1: haunting in a way.

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01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 3: It definitely is. I don't know if I'm allowed to

1377
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 3: say this part, so I guess you could like leep

1378
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 3: this out. But it's actually they use that to like

1379
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 3: find like their little like breathing holes because they can

1380
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 3: like freeze. Oh maybe I should. Well, basically they use

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Speaker 3: them to find breathing holes that they might not have

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Speaker 3: access to because of where they live. So it's like

1383
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 3: I can't describe it further without giving it away. You

1384
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 3: just have to go see it on a next show

1385
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 3: and then YouTube it because it is free.

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01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, I think this is a hard enough

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01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 1: sound that getting some more hints is definitely fair.

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01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 2: But yes, it is.

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01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: It's it's it's such an unexpected sound. Also, I'll say,

1390
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 1: for such a cute animal where it sounds like there's

1391
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: a there's there's a haunted ocean, but then you see them,

1392
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 1: it's like, Oh, you're just a little cutie, aren't you. Yeah, well,

1393
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me today. I really

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01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: appreciate having you on. You are an incredible font of

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01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: animal wisdom.

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Speaker 2: Uh and I.

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Speaker 1: Think people, if you like this podcast, you will definitely

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Speaker 1: one Hundred Animals that King End You, So if you

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Speaker 3: as many people that know me from TikTok or Instagram,

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Speaker 3: that's pretty much the big three TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: thanks so much for reaching out to me. By the way,

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Speaker 3: this is also stoked to me, like invide it here.

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Speaker 1: all the ratings and as always, appreciate you guys listening.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, if you think you know this week's mystery

1419
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:56,080
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