1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: From the twenty twenty three NFL Combine. This is Patriots Unfiltered. 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: What's up everybody, It's a very special edition episode one 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: I guess of Patriots Unfiltered at the Combine. It's Mike 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: do So, It's Evan Lazar, no Paul, no Fred, not 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: your usual PU crew, just us the nerds who love 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: the combine and are digging into the prospects. So day 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: one here today, this a little bit of a longer podcast, 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: so we can chat talk about the prospects of Let's 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: just start off at the top. I mean, I feel 10 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: like we got to talk about the big news of 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: the day with Jalen Carter, which is certainly going to 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: affect things for the Patriots at fourteenth. Overall, this has 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: a domino effect on the entire draft, and we talked 14 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: about it in our little debrief that we do as well. 15 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 1: But you look at the Patriots now at fourteen, how 16 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: does this shake up one through thirteen is going to 17 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: be something that we're probably going to talk about with 18 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: this story, as awful as what actually happened, is, there 19 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: is a football element to it. And if Jalen Carter 20 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: is now out of the first round, mix because of 21 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: this situation, then it has a trickle down effect on 22 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: the Patriots. That's just the reality. And I think if 23 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: you really look in the top five, a team like 24 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears picking number one overall, now Will Anderson, 25 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: you have to come away with Will Anderson, Like there's 26 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: no way if you're not going to draft a quarterback 27 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: and you're sticking with Justin Fields, then you have to 28 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: come away with Will Anderson. So now you're really talking 29 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: about three being the floor for Chicago. You can't go 30 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: down to four because now you're missing out on the 31 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: best non quarterback in the draft. So it's going to 32 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: be a very interesting change up to some of the 33 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: mock drafts and things like that. Now, if Jaylen Carter's 34 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: out of the picture, how does it shake up one 35 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: through five and then have a trickle down effect on 36 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: the rest of the draft. Yeah, it still felt to 37 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: me like there's going to be some kind of trickle 38 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: down effect even when he was in the mix, because 39 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: it's just I mean, we look at these groups today 40 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: and we can talk about, you know, how much of 41 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: the need is edge and you know, I know it's 42 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: it's a little bit nebulous how they play you look 43 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: at Matthew Judona is an outside linebacker, and then you 44 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: kind of look at teatrich Wise on the other side, 45 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, when he's more of a and down guys 46 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: just how they play. Not the biggest need ouch Anthony Jennings. 47 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: We got pay Ronnie Perkins on the roster. Still, we 48 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 1: had to look that one up. Never gonna know for sure, 49 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: but it seems like they have pretty good depth. I 50 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: still find it intriguing just to look at these guys 51 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: because these are the playmakers. These are the guys on 52 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: defense that you have to game plan for. And you know, 53 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 1: maybe if there is a day late, day two, day 54 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: three kind of project guy that projects, well, maybe maybe 55 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: they do take a chance. But it doesn't seem like 56 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: the biggest need right now. This is a reality of 57 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: their situation where they have so many immediate holes on 58 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: the roster that these year too early needs are not 59 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: needs that they can prioritize anymore. At the top of 60 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: the draft. I think a few years ago and maybe 61 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 1: this unfortunately, being frank about it, I think once upon 62 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: a time they were very good at being out in 63 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: front of these types of situations, but now they almost 64 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: don't have that benefit because unfortunately they are in a 65 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: position where they have some immediate holes tackle receiver, corner, 66 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: outside corner. Certainly, I think come first before edge. Now, 67 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: next offseason, we have a real conversation about whether or 68 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: not they are going to pony up for josh Ucha, 69 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of Ucha's numbers similar to 70 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: a guy like jac Jackson, for example, maybe the team 71 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: might view as a little bit inflated by June On 72 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: getting extra attention score right late in games and he's 73 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: pinning his ears back because they're up against Arizona and 74 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: he ends up blogging two sacks late in the game. 75 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: Like those types of things, they are going to look 76 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: at in terms of his value and are they going 77 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: to pay a player that has not developed in the 78 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: run game really just a passing down to player and 79 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: josh Uch are they going to pay him? So in reality, 80 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: it's probably not a need that they can addressed early. 81 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: But if it's best player available and they're on the 82 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: clock at fourteen and Tyree Wilson from Texas Tech is 83 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: still sitting there for some reason, it's gonna be a 84 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: conversation that we're gonna have. That's a great guy you 85 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: brought up In was somebody that I listened to a 86 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: lot today and just had something about him to me. 87 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: You know that just sometimes you see these guys and 88 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: I you know, and probably a lot of times I'm 89 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: wrong on these kind of things, but you know, some 90 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: guys just give you a vibe of like, this guy 91 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: is a serious, serious football player. A Keyon White was 92 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: another one that I just kind of listened to. I know, 93 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: we've had some discussions about him. I think was it 94 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah believe like named him as one of the fits, 95 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 1: which I was kind of, you know, Patriots fit, wasn't 96 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 1: you know, not a guy that jumped out to me initially, 97 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 1: but once you kind of hear him talk though, you 98 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: see them, you get a sense to them. I'm like, 99 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: I could kind of see these guys fit into the 100 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: locker room. But both of them probably gone before the 101 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: Patriots are going to invest in a pick on that position. Yeah, 102 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson should be a top ten pick. But I 103 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: think the one thing that you look at with him, 104 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: he's one of the most physically strong, like just Alpha's 105 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: in this draft. He made handles guys at the point 106 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: of attack. But the issue, I think what you see 107 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: with him is that he's not an overly bendy edge rusher. 108 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: He doesn't have great flexibility gray Ben to turn a 109 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: tight corner. And when you project to the league nowadays, 110 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: the guys that are putting up great numbers in the 111 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: pass rushing statistics are the UJA types that are just 112 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: these screamers off the edge that have great flexibility turn 113 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: that tight corner and get the quarterback. Guys that have 114 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: to go through tackles are not necessarily as easily projectable 115 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: into the NFL. So if that's the way the league 116 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: sees it as well, then maybe he could slip down 117 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: just a little bit. He mentioned I didn't see it 118 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: with him. I did watch his film before we got here, 119 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: and I saw a really well rounded, solid football player. 120 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: But I think if you're drafting in the top fifty, 121 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: I would like a little bit more upside. I think 122 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: he would be a good pro for them on his 123 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: rookie contract, but I don't know if he's a game 124 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: changing player, kind of like what I think they were 125 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: hoping they were going to get out of Jennings. You know, 126 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: j was sort of the upside, right, and Jennings was 127 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: sort of just the steady Eddie, I kind of look 128 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: at White like that. Yeah, it makes sense, you know. 129 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: So just to run down with a few guys, I mean, 130 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: they just rattled them off here quick today. Defensive lineman, 131 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: line backers, then defensive lineman as well. You know a 132 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: couple of guys. Just to highlight, we talked to a 133 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: lot of the Shrine Bowl guys, you know, guys who 134 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: really appreciated that experience with the Patriots coaches. Brenton Cox 135 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: from Florida being one of those guys in a famous 136 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: picture of you know, Bill showing him a little bit 137 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: about hand placement. Um. You know another guy that that 138 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: I thought really uh, you know, kind of stood out 139 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: to me was Isaiah Moore. I was a Shrine Bowl guy, 140 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: but just he seemed like and it was it was 141 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: one that had slipped through the cracks as far as like, 142 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: oh shoot, why are all the Patriots reporters standing over 143 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: that guy? And they're like, oh, I oh, he was 144 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: in the Shrine Bowl. But he went into a little 145 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: bit more detail, very complimentary of Brian Belichick. Um, you know, 146 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: just overall, everybody seemed to take a lot from the 147 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: Patriot coaching staff in Las Vegas, with the Shrine Bowl, 148 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: there was a couple of guys like Isaiah Moore. I 149 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: really liked Tyrius Wheat, who we spoke to a little 150 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: bit too. I think Wheat is more of an on 151 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: the line player edge defender than an off ball linebacker. 152 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: Pretty serious too. More Moore is going to be an 153 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: off ball linebacker. I think with Wheat, when we were 154 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: talking to him, I tried to ask him a couple 155 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: of different questions in a couple different ways. I think 156 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: he knows the Patriots like him a little bit, and 157 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: I don't think he really wanted to burn that bridge 158 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: by going out in the media and saying, yeah, the 159 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: Patriots love me, huh. You know. I think that there 160 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: there is some a little bit of lip service there. 161 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: But with More he wasn't somebody that initially stood out 162 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: to me at Shrine Bowl practice watching practices live. But 163 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: when I watched some of the drills back after practice, 164 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: because I had they hyped him up during the game broadcast, 165 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: and I was like, really, like, this is a guy 166 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: that they really thought stood out like I didn't see it, 167 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: and neither did Alex Barth. And then I went back 168 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: and watched I was like, all right, yeah, I can 169 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: see how they can see that sort of positionally sound. 170 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: He's in the right spots and against the run gap, 171 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: sound player that can come downhill and take on blocks 172 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: and do the Patriot thing. But we're gonna talk about 173 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: it a little bit. I think when we get to 174 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: some of the bigger name linebackers in this draft, at 175 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: some point in time, they do need to evolve a 176 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: little bit at that spot. And Isaiah Moore's you know, 177 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: I like him. I liked Anthony Orgy from Vanderbilt that 178 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: we hyped up a little bit during Shrine Bowl week. 179 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: Those guys are good players, I think for what they 180 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: would normally want. But at one point in time, does 181 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: what they normally want become a thing of the past. 182 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: I think that's an honest conversation. It is a good question, 183 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: and it's you know, and they're kind of I don't 184 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: want to say they're stocked right now with strong safety 185 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: because obviously have Kyle Dugger coming to the end, and 186 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: Adrian Phillips is now thirty, and you know, I saw 187 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: his role evolve a little bit this year. We know 188 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: we're still waiting on Devin mccordy. I mean, I take 189 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: Jibril Pepper's back. He plays with a bad attitude, and 190 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: I just like that aggressively all of you know, a 191 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: little bit over the top, like whoa whoa hold on 192 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: Jibral Really like him. But it's a great question. And 193 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: I mean I was curious just to kind of hear 194 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: Drew Sanders today. He was one that said, you know, 195 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: he has played inside outside, but said I think I'm 196 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: more of an inside guy. I just I just wonder 197 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:51,719 Speaker 1: if they're going to pull the trigger on a guy 198 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: like that. When you got Bentley back for a year, 199 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: it seems like they could probably have Bentley back for 200 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: a few years if they wanted to even extend him further. 201 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: After resigning him to a two year deal last year, 202 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: Ni Tavai signs a multi year deal with them, they 203 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: clearly have some plans for him as well. Both of 204 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: them kind of fit the old mold. But I between 205 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: Drew Sanders is one and then the other is Trent 206 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: and Simpson. I feel like those are kind of the 207 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: first round off the ball potential guys. Not a great 208 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: draft class, but yeah, what you've seen from those guys, 209 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: so I didn't love what I saw from Simpson. I 210 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: think that Simpson to me, is a more linear athlete 211 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: that didn't have great change of direction from what I 212 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: could see, and more of just that straight line thumper 213 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: that I think has some Nick Bolton from Kansas City 214 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: in him, which I know is a big name right 215 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: now from the Super Bowl. So I think he's got 216 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,599 Speaker 1: that type of build, you know, kind of more of 217 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: a stocky guy, and then he's got this great explosive 218 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: straight line speed. Sanders really intrigues me because at Arkansas 219 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: they lined him up in all three locations that the 220 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: Patriots love to use linebackers in line, over the guards, 221 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: edge off the ball right, kind of that Kyle van 222 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: Noy type of role where they move him around and 223 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: have different goals to get him after the quarterback or 224 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: drop or whatever the case may be. And he also 225 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: served a lot in the middle of the field as 226 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: a spy or even just like in a low zone 227 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: but with eyes on the quarterback. And against Alabama he 228 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: had quite a few, I want to say two or 229 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: three times came streaking across the field and tackled Bryce 230 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: Young on scrambles and when that happened, there's one in 231 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: particular where I think he actually got a sack technically 232 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: in the box scorers like one of those half yard sacks, 233 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: and but it was an it went, you know, middle 234 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: of the field all the way out to the sideline 235 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: and he's able to beat him to the corner and 236 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: get Bryce Young on the ground. Those types of players, 237 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: I think you look at them and you say, all right, 238 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: you know, that's something that they could potentially use. And 239 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: the one other guy who had mentioned other than those two, 240 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 1: Jack Campbell, from he to me is not necessarily the 241 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 1: freak athlete that people might want at that spot. But instinctually, 242 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: this is a really instinctual player, Like he understands what 243 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: he's looking at. He understands alignments and splits and formations 244 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: and how to pre snap diagnose what defense or excuse me, 245 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: offenses or maybe doing. And he had a great play 246 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: against Ohio stated and coverage where he took a slant 247 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: away over the middle of the field for CJ. Strade 248 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,599 Speaker 1: to hold the ball and they ended up getting a 249 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: strip sack because Stroud had nowhere to go with the football. Like, 250 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: those are the types of players that you see with 251 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: him on film. I think he might take some people 252 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: by surprise with his athleticism maybe not in the forty, 253 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: but if he runs the agility drills, I think he's 254 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: going to test really well in that three cone. We 255 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: know that they love shuttle the three cone stuff like that. Yeah, 256 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 1: he caught my attention today and again, you know, player, 257 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: it kind of like you know, reviewed and didn't really 258 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: initially like star room or anything, but just listen to 259 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: him and talking. You know, you brought it up. He 260 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 1: was kind of describing what he's expecting in the NFL 261 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, I might have to one 262 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: play tackle Nick Chubb and then the next play I'm 263 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: dropping in coverage and I'm on Tyreek Hill. You know, 264 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: just explaining all the different things that a player like 265 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: him could possibly do for a defense. So, you know, 266 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: I underlined some guys today. He was one of them. 267 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: Go back, take a look at them. See you know, 268 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: is there something there? But you just laid it out 269 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: really well. All podium team, he's up there. I think 270 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: Nolan Smith from Georgia too is another all talk about him. 271 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: I know. Well, so he gave a long one. There 272 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: were some tears, very well spoken. Yeah, I mean I 273 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: think my thing with him, you can tell me what 274 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: you think he felt like. He was light like. It's 275 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: just I didn't know how we fit into the Patriot system. 276 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: And you know, for an edge player, it's hard to 277 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: see him whatever he is to twenty in that range 278 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,599 Speaker 1: being an edge player for them, maybe an off the 279 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: ball guy. But he had a lot to say today, 280 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: so I kind of felt like I was listening to 281 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: Matthew Slater for a minute. He had that added he's 282 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: a statesman right like he was. He owned the room. 283 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: People were gravitating towards his podium because they could just 284 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: hear the fire that he was talking with. And he 285 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: was just a very well spoken, very motivated, passionate type 286 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: of football player. You can tell he loves football and 287 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: he just wants to be good at it and wants 288 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: to work hard at it. I agree with you that 289 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: he's a little bit of a of an anomaly, like 290 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: a tweeter, you know, almost where he played a lot 291 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: at Georgia with his hand in the dirt, and I 292 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna be heavy enough to play hand 293 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: in the dirt role in the NFL. But the one 294 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: thing that you can definitely say about him really good 295 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: first step off the ball certainly can fire into gaps 296 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: or fire around the edge. And he's just one of 297 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: those guys that is like slithery, Like it's just hard 298 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: to block him sometimes, you know, like you just you're 299 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: kind of like, how did he get through? But he 300 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: like sort of does get through. So he's one of 301 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: those instinctive, like nose for the football kind of guys. So, 302 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: just a good football player. And I always wonder why 303 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: they don't draft more from the Georgia defense. A because 304 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: it's an awesome defense the top twelve, but B because 305 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: they do run a Sabin Belichick style system. That's what 306 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: and that's what he talked about. I heard him saying, 307 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: you know, we're very much about team defense. They are, 308 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: and I mean we saw it last year, you know 309 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: with the top pick overall, I'm blank on his name, 310 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: and um, you know with Todaville or a yeah who 311 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: you know didn't really have a position Walker, Thank you, 312 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: Travon Walker. Yeah, um, you know, so it's it's interesting. 313 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: One more guy I wanted to bring up to you 314 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: have because we were both standing around and was Ivan Pace. Um. 315 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: I just thought he was an interesting guy. Um, you know, 316 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: people question him about his you know, we sized to 317 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: take on guards and he's, you know, just talking about 318 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,599 Speaker 1: running right through guys. I don't know what's there, but 319 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: he just seemed like kind of an interesting guy here talk. 320 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: So there was a rep at the Senior Bowl. I 321 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: actually asked him about it during the game where he 322 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: went right through the guard and it was almost like 323 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: a butt fumble because he hit the guard into the 324 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: running back and the running back fell with the ball 325 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: in his hands, like he tackled the running back through 326 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: the guard. He like threw the guard back into it. 327 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: And I just remember watching that and I was like, whoa, 328 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: all right, that's some serious play strength. And the guard 329 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: that he tossed was Osireus Torrence, Who's gonna be a 330 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: first round round first round parting. So this isn't about 331 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: like some u DFA right, like this is a really good, 332 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: uh sometimes consensus interior offensive lineman one in this track 333 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: that he's just throwing like a rag doll. So I 334 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: think that there's definitely something there, And we talked about 335 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: maybe edge linebacker being a position further down the board 336 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: for them. I think pace could be like a fourth 337 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: round guy that they could get their hands on on 338 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: Day three special teams. Madman, Right, that's exactly what they need. 339 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: A lot of good stuff there. Last thing I kind 340 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: of want to bring up here just in terms of 341 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: this position group, and again it's you know, probably not 342 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: the most interesting day. I think the next three days 343 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: are going to be really fascinating for us positions, right exactly, 344 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: Jake Moody, I mean, we gotta get in on that. 345 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: But um, it's just I feel like this is a 346 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: pretty good Day three, late Day two kind of nose 347 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: tackle class and you know, not the sexiest position, but 348 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: it's certainly one that the Patriots need. You've seen Carl 349 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: Davis do you know, pretty good job. We had some 350 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: inconsistency in terms of penalties, jumping off side a couple 351 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: of times, I know, in some big moments, but I 352 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: mean I think he's been a pretty solid player. But 353 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned PJ. Mustafer was one that we 354 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: mentioned on the wrap up as a good one. I mean, 355 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure where exactly Coastal Carolina and 356 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: Brighton's own guy is gonna land here with Rod Clark 357 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: quite talked to him, was great and was a big 358 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: Patriots fan. Um, those are just two to mention. I mean, 359 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: there's there's also the other thing that always confused me, Evan. 360 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: I don't know about you with this, um, but there's 361 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: like a couple of guys that all have the same name. 362 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: There's like two three different guys that have the same name. 363 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: But I think there's like Byron Youngs. There's like two 364 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: Byron Youngs and once from Tennessee, once from Alice. I 365 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: like them both though. Yeah, yeah, there's two Byron Youngs. 366 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: So the other guy that I would mentioned, uh, I 367 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: think it's Ica. Is how you pronounced that you might 368 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: have the I got. I got pronunciations here, um uh 369 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: from now I'm biking on the school of course, but 370 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: he's more I'll find it. So the guy that I 371 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: see in his game is kind of Danny Shelton esque. 372 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: Where remember when the Patriots originally got Danny Yeah poo yeah, yeah, 373 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: Remember where's he go to school again? Baylor, Baylor. Yeah, 374 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: that's him. Uh. When they got Danny Shelton, they thought 375 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: he was a three to four two gapping nose tackles 376 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: and he's a guy. And I remember Bill Belichick talking 377 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: about that that they they had it wrong the first 378 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: year and then he came back. Remember, Shelton had a 379 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: really good second season with the Patriots, and I look 380 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: at I look at the Baylor kids as a very 381 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: similar type of player, where this is a three hundred 382 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: and sixty pound dude, but he's an up the field player. 383 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: He's not a hold the point of attack type of players. 384 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: So I think it's really interesting because the league is 385 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: certainly trending away from nose tackles like three four two 386 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: gapping nose tackles is really a thing of the past, 387 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: except for a handful of three four teams that still 388 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: play those odd fronts and need that guy to eat 389 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: stuff in the middle of The Patriots are still one 390 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: of those teams, like they really are, So we'll see 391 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: what happens. I mean, I think this comes back to 392 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: the linebacker thing too, though at some point I don't 393 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: necessarily need to go to a four to three, but 394 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: a more attacking three four might be where the league 395 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: as a whole is trending for those odd front teams 396 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: just because you got to be able to get after 397 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: the quarterback and you have to be able to stop 398 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: the pass and it's not about gap control and you know, 399 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: integrity and all that kind of stuff as much anymore. 400 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: So maybe he's somebody that is a little bit of both, right, 401 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: you can still do a little bit of both of those. 402 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: I think it's tough with those two gaps too, because 403 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: early downs, I just feel like you're not likely to 404 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: get pressure up the middle, and it's most likely if 405 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: a team wants to throw anyone first down and you 406 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: got your base defense out there with those tackle they're 407 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: gonna have a pocket to work without it, you know, 408 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: and then the quick passing game just kills you. I 409 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: don't know. We always wonder what kind of scheme evolution 410 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: is going to happen. We're talking here, linebackers, speedy linebackers, 411 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: penetrating defensive tackle. We're gonna happen, I remember, gonna happen. 412 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: They're probably gonna stick to what usually works for them. 413 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: Anything else that I missed today worth pointing out guys 414 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: that we didn't mention again. You know, it's just one 415 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: of those tough couple of spots where you don't know 416 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: what they need and you're not quite sure, Yeah, you're 417 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: going to tap any of these in the first two days. 418 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if you're going here yet. But the 419 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: edge defenders, we did ask a bunch of the edge 420 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 1: rushers about who were the toughest tackles that you faced. 421 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: So I actually asked Will Anderson, who might now be 422 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: the number one pick in the draft, and I asked him, 423 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: who's the toughest tackle that you faced last year? And 424 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: he mentioned Darnell right from Tennessee, and he had Darnell 425 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: Wright had a fantastic game against Will basically shut out 426 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: Will Anderson the number one pick in the draft, and 427 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: every single step along the way with Darnell Wright, whenever 428 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: he plays top competition, Will Anderson, Clemson's guys, you know, 429 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: just Senior Bowl, he just dominated. He dominated good competition. 430 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: He's not the most consistent or a fine player quite yet, 431 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: but whenever the lights were brightest that he played lights out. 432 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: And he's a right tackle three forty five three forty 433 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: see what he weighs in here, But he's that Patriot 434 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: bulldozer on the right side, right like that's him and 435 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: on Winnie on the same side of the line. They 436 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: will push people off the ball with ease in short 437 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: yard situations. Well, I mean, what we're kind of looking 438 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: for is the Sebastian volomer, and we've been spending some 439 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: time here. Sebastian Volmer has been working with talking some 440 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: seventies protections. He's given us a little insight, but he's 441 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: been doing a lot of work for for the Germany 442 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: game that's going to be this fall and and all that. 443 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: So it's been kind of fine, you know, or like, jeez, 444 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: how can we find the next Sebastian Volmer. I know 445 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: there's talk of oh, we need a left tackle in 446 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: a right tackle. It's like, even if you could lock 447 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: down just the right side, you know, and get one 448 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: thing figured out this year, that would be great. Uh. 449 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: Quick preview tomorrow cornerbacks Special Teams mentioned Jake Moody. I mean, 450 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: we'll go talk to him with the Shrine Bowl MVP Patriots. 451 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: You know, long term need always, but the cornerbacks, and 452 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: I just think this is a big position in need. 453 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: And I'm kind of torn because on one hand, I 454 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: feel pretty good about how well they coach up cornerbacks, 455 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: how well they find them in lower rounds and even 456 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: undrafted guys. Now that said, I'm actually I'm gonna I'm 457 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: gonna say, wait just for a second. Into conversation with that, 458 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: I've been kind of bringing up a couple of times 459 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: that I think is interesting and that you know, Patriots 460 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: had sixty sacks last year, they were twenty second in 461 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: third down defense, and you know, just where's that disconnect. 462 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: It was a conversation and we're having over a couple 463 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,719 Speaker 1: of beers out here in Indy. That's what we do, right, 464 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: We were talking more football, But you know, I think 465 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: we both kind of are in agreement that maybe what's 466 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: missing is really that elite corner to put on that 467 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: top option to slow everything down. As much as I 468 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: want to believe that a pass rush can overcome, you know, 469 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: lack of coverage deficiencies, it seems like this might be 470 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: a spot where hey, let's go get a talented guy 471 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: up near the top. And I think there's plenty of 472 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: picks that could possibly make sense in the top four 473 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: team will seem tomorrow. It's always the age old debate 474 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: pass rush or coverage, right, and PFF in places like 475 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: that have done deep dives and analytical deep dives into this, 476 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: and I think the bottom line is is that to 477 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: have a really good defense, you gotta have both. Like 478 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: it's not one or the other. You truly have to 479 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: have bold. And I think there's a school thought in 480 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: the league now that corners are maybe a little bit 481 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: overvalued in the market. And if you have those great paths, 482 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: like you look at a defense like San Francisco, who 483 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: are the corners that you can really name the award? 484 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: Probably each various ward, but they're really about Bosa in 485 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: the front. Right. So that's I think a conversation. But 486 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: I think when you face these great quarterbacks Patrick Mahomes, 487 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, the guys the Patriots are gonna 488 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: have to go through Joe Burrow. Of course you're gonna 489 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: eventually get into third and seven. It's gonna be our 490 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: guys against your guys, and who can win a one 491 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: on one? Yeah, and right now, not only do I 492 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: think the Patriots are punching above their weight in some 493 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: of these battles across the board, they also don't have 494 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: great body types. Yeah, you know, they don't have a 495 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: great diversity there. It's all these undersized guys. So this draft, 496 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: I think, other than tight end, I would say the 497 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: deepest position group in this draft is corner. So and 498 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: then let me ask you another question. Is I'm trying 499 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: to wrap it up, but I also this is another 500 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: philosophical question, is is you know when you say that 501 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: there's a deep position group, generally, does it make sense 502 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: to say, well, then we can just get one of 503 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: the middle ones and that'll be good enough. Or do 504 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: you say it's a deep group, let's get the best 505 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: of the deep. You know, that's the philosophical question I 506 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: have as well. It's a good question, and they, I 507 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: would say, tend to go towards the let's get the 508 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: third or fourth round. They're just as good type of 509 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: thing the old clusters, right. You know, we have a 510 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: bunch of guys in the same cluster. I love. Christian 511 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: Gonzalez from Oregon, who we're going to talk to tomorrow, 512 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: is probably the top top corner in the draft, besides 513 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: maybe Devin Witherspoon from Illinois, a little bit smaller. Gonzalez 514 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: checks every box. He's six foot two, extremely fluid guy, 515 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: can play man, can play his zone, can play off, 516 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: can play on like he can do everything, like everything 517 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 1: that you would want him to do. I really like 518 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: his game, but there's it's fair. Deontay Banks from Maryland, 519 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: Julius Brents from Kansas States some guys that I've hyped 520 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: up already in this process. Those guys can play too. Now, Brents, 521 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: excuse me, Banks is somebody that we've heard whispers might 522 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: run like a low for three and so maybe all 523 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: of a sudden he's somebody that at forty six is 524 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: a real conversation. If he runs that, well, it's foot two, 525 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: two hundred and five pounds. That's incredible, that's incredible speed. 526 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 1: So we'll see there's a lot of really good corners 527 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,239 Speaker 1: in this draft. Joey Porter Junior is another name we got. 528 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: We can't take him though. You gotta mention him, but 529 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: I could go on, and I mean, I just I 530 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: gotta point out too. I mean I've watched some of 531 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: Devin Witherspoon. That guy's got more big hits, Like he 532 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: just comes flying into the background backfield crushing guys. It's 533 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: fun to watch. I'm not sure exactly how it all 534 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: matches up, but but certainly in need and I'll be 535 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: curious how much they put into it. So I think 536 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: that'll do it for us. I don't know if there's 537 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: anything else to add, but we will certainly be back tomorrow, 538 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: and I think they'll be even more to discuss, and 539 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: certainly as the testing starts to happen, we'll have another 540 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: layer to discuss, because it's one thing to talk to 541 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: these guys as as dudes, and a lot of them 542 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: seem like great dudes. I mean, Gerald Clark, I'm like 543 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: to hang out with this guy. He's awesome. But you know, 544 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's about what happens 545 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: on the field, So excited to see the DBS. Then Friday, 546 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: we got quarterbacks, wide receivers, running backs, last but not least, 547 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: the offensive line at the end, so we'll get to 548 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: get a look at some of those guys too, and 549 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 1: we will be back every day with a podcast here 550 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: to kind of talk all these things out in a slow, 551 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,959 Speaker 1: relaxed environment. So thanks for listening, and we'll be back tomorrow.