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The Money Making Conversation 36 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: interviews provide relatable information to the listener by career and 37 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: financial planning, entrepreneurship, motivation, leadership, overcoming the arts, and how 38 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: to live in balance life. I can't do this show 39 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: with our guess. So my next guest as Holly has 40 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: Hollywood buzzing about her new book, Dirty Little Secrets that 41 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: Nobody Wants to tell you about the entertainment industry. I've 42 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: been in the industry, entertainment industry. I read this book 43 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: very excitable, very I got very excited when I first 44 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: of I read the titler. Oh, curiosity killed the cat. 45 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: I gotta know, I gotta know, And she's told me 46 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: a lot of information. Some things I did know, some 47 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: things I didn't know. That's all the process of why 48 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: we read, why we educate ourselves. She's the one behind 49 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: the scene of many many music and beloved artists including uh, 50 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: Tony Braxton, Chante More, Carrie Underwood, Fantasia, World Downing and Vogue, 51 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: Escape the brad Oh and many more. Please welcome to 52 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: money making conversations. I don't know how I missed this 53 00:02:55,120 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 1: young lady in my journey in music. Chryl Cobb, Hello, 54 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: good morning afternoon. How did I missed you? You know 55 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: all these names here? You know Tony Braxton, Chante Moore, 56 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: you know Fantasia. So many times I've encountered my relationships 57 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: saying Fantasis in Vogue escape the brad how did we not? 58 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: And even in your when you said Barry Hankerson, when 59 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: you said Baron Hankerson, who was at the time was 60 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: managing or kill, I go, Hi, have I not met 61 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: this young ladies? Your car, we said Barry. When I 62 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: read your book, you said Baron Hankerson, I went through. 63 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: I said, I don't know how I've not met her. 64 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: You know what's funny, And you know this, working with Salent, 65 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: you're in the background, and I tried to really stay 66 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: in the background and let the artists be the artist. 67 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: I'd be the manager or the branding person and let 68 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: them do their job. And I was there to support 69 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: and I enjoyed. It was fun and I liked it 70 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: like that. Well, you know the funny part about your book, 71 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: I would like to ask, I guess when they come 72 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: on on the show, what is your gift or gifts? 73 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: Srill carb One of my loyalty, m loyalty is when 74 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, it's also it's one of my 75 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: wisest and biggest strengths and also one of my biggest failures, 76 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: because I'm loyal to a fault, and sometimes that will 77 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: get you in trouble. But my father was a marine. 78 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: Semprefied that's how I grew up. And when you get 79 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: into something that you love and you attach yourself to 80 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: something that you believe in, then you'd be loyal to 81 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: that and and praise perfectly, they'll they'll be loyal to you. 82 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: But that's one of my biggest strengths is loyalty. We 83 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: know it's really also when I say that, is that 84 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: when I'm reading a book. One of the things that 85 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: one of my big takeaways from your book the book 86 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: I'm talking to Sheriff carb and her book is entitled 87 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,679 Speaker 1: Dirty Little Secrets that Nobody Wants to tell you about 88 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: the entertainment industry, was that we get into this business 89 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: not really knowing our true gifts. That's why I asked 90 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: what your gift was, because you know, you came in 91 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: and as an assistant for a lot of uh talented people. 92 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: And one of the fun stories I read was when 93 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: Tony Braxton looked at you and said, you you're not 94 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: a manager, You're not as sister, You're a manager, and 95 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: the very next day you quit and she fired you 96 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: at the same time. Story it was a mutual agreement. 97 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: It was we were working on a video in Miami, Florida, 98 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: and she was lovely and I went in and we 99 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: were introduced through mutual friends and after spending a couple 100 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: of days on the video shoot, on the way home, yeah, 101 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: she was like, you know, I don't know why you're 102 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: trying to be my assistant. But she didn't know that 103 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: I had just gotten into the business and I've been 104 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: working with Luther Vanrol for about maybe nine months. That 105 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: was my first gig, Luther v Andros traveling the world, 106 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: and she needed an assistant and I was like, hey, 107 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: this is the next gig. I'll take it right and 108 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 1: I took the job, and you know, after the weekend, 109 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: I was I can't do this. I can't do it, 110 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: and the same it's just like I think you should, 111 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: you should be something else. I'll tell you what. Maybe 112 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: Like um about after, she said this is not gonna 113 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: work and I said, you know, you're right, it's absolutely 114 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: not gonna work out. She called me back about a 115 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: month later, just randomly at the Clear Blue Sky and 116 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: said I'm going to Europe. I need a tour manager. 117 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: Would you be interested? And I was like absolutely, I'd 118 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: never traveled to Europe, uh in that capacity but I 119 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: was like, I could do it, and that's why we 120 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: started our journey. And I think we had like a 121 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: six or seven year journey from you know, for me 122 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: being her road matt tour manager road manager onto her 123 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: day to day manager and then made of honor in 124 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 1: her wedding. So it was, you know, that's how relationships established. Um. 125 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: But that's how I started my journey with Tony Braxton 126 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: and it was a good journey. Well, you know, it's 127 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: really interesting when I read when I'm reading about the 128 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: book because that little moment right there, being a tour 129 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: manager to Europe. Okay, now that's something you had not 130 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: done at the time, had not, But that did not 131 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: throw any fear into you, like, oh let me pass 132 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: on this opportunity. But that's the drive, that's the drive 133 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: that you have inside, that's the that's the gift that 134 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: you have inside, is that you're not you do allow 135 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: you never let fear win. And a lot of people 136 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: left fear win a change the opportunity. They doubt themselves, 137 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,119 Speaker 1: But you didn't doubt yourself. Why not? Well, I knew 138 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: going into the industry that I could do it. I 139 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: had a background in production, so I was just clear 140 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: and faith. I walked out on faith of every decision 141 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: I make its faith um experienced though. Let me tell 142 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: you I worked with Luther, and Luther was a perfectionist 143 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: and I had the y yes he was Excuse me. 144 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: I had the pleasure of traveling to Europe with Luthor 145 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: as a hospitality director. So I was way in the background. 146 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: Lord's the potem pole. But you know what I did. 147 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: Let me tell you Rashwan. I attached to myself to 148 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: his tour manager and we became best friends, and he 149 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: taught me everything. Cath Richards blessed us, so he's not 150 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: with us today, but he was excellent and I and 151 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: let me tell you, anybody knows anything about Lucive Andros, 152 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: they knew that he everything was first class. Everything, his staff, 153 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: his tint, it was superb. So I attached myself to 154 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: somebody who I knew understood the business. And once I 155 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: got the job with Toni Braxton, I was like, I 156 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: could do this Richards relationship. Marty, that's what you're talking about, 157 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: you know, really interesting when you're talking about this, because 158 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: you know, she got introduced to this world at first 159 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: class level. Luther Andro's career, Uh when she came on board, 160 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: three thousand people was a minimum that he will perform 161 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: in front of Luther rain drows and and you know, 162 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: everything had to be right, the food had He was 163 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: a consummate professional, and so when you ACKed in the room, 164 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: he was never allowed. You know, his persona, his his brand, 165 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: all those things matter to him. And that's why he 166 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: had had the career that he had and left us 167 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: with the hits that he left us with because he 168 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: treated everybody as humans and never saw himself as being 169 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: bigger than the moment. And so that was that was like, 170 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, that was like a PhD on how to 171 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: do a tour right and how to how to treat 172 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: people on a tour that you got right is to 173 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: keep telling you, girl, I should have met you. Okay, again, 174 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: this is Sheryl Carr. I'm talking to Sheryl car. She 175 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: has a book called Dirty Little Secrets that nobody wants 176 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: to tell you about the entertainment industry. Now this person again, 177 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: Luther Van Draws, Hospitality director Tony Bradston, Chante more carry Underwood. 178 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: You know American Island Plantation, American Island, Will Diamond, who 179 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: I love, who I feel. There's never gotten this due 180 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: as a performer or a single. He's just as amazing 181 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: as Loosly absolutely in Vogue, Escape all the brad you 182 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: know it's this is just a short list of people 183 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: that she has uh, she has touched. And when I 184 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: say touch, let me just get personal a little bit. 185 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: From a manager, management perspective or producer perspective, trance has 186 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: to be there. You have to have answers when people 187 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: they will come to you for answers and you can't 188 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: go huh, you have you better have an answer because 189 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: they are depending on you when they wake up, depending 190 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: on you. When't you go to sleep? Um? I remember 191 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: Steve Harvey shuld always tell me here you know everything? 192 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: You know what you're trying to go? Yeah? And even 193 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: Sure he was looking at me, go you serious, aren't you? Yes? 194 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: I am serious. What you need to know, Steve, I'm 195 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: gonna tell you because I'm not gonna sit a bit ja, 196 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: I don't know anything. And it was so it was 197 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: so funny because I know managed Steven A. Smith Nas 198 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: And it was so funny that Steven he called me, 199 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: he called me off god he and he asked me 200 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: a question. I went, I don't know he went, hold up, 201 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: now this needs to make the national news. Rashan McDonald 202 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: said he didn't know anything and so and that don 203 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: on me out of respect and also out of uh 204 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: that people know that about your brand, that they know 205 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: they can come to you and get an honest statement 206 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: that they know, and that's what you have built in 207 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: your life. You don't get all these names associated with 208 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: your brand, Siryl, unless you get that reputation of being honest, 209 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: get that reputation of being able to deliver. Yes. Yes, 210 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: And let me tell you something very interesting that you said. 211 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: Being able to be honest is so important and one 212 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: of the secrets in my book, I think it's number nine. 213 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: It's called Pick your Battles. And what Pick your Battles 214 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: explains is is that as a manager, your job is 215 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: to advise and to consult. You're not you're not their boss, 216 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: and they're not your boss. Your job is to actually 217 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 1: cause when they don't take your advice our consultation, then 218 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: your job is no longer needed. So you know, if 219 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: I have an artist and I advise them and they 220 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: decided not to take my advice, then my advice to 221 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: them is do what you need. I'm gonna back you 222 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: and we'll find a solution right or wrong. But this 223 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: is my advice, and this is what wise counsel is 224 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: so important. But at the end of the day, they 225 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: make their own decisions and you have to go with it. Absolutely. 226 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: It was one of the one of your favorite lines 227 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: in this book of you said, you've been fired, rehired, 228 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: and quit. You've been fired by some of the best 229 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: people in the industry. And it's okay. Now. Yes, the 230 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: reason I'm a I'm a slow this down for a 231 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: minute because I gotta talk a little racial here, because 232 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: I learned this. I learned this in the business, you know, 233 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: from from my white counterparts. You know I would they 234 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: would get fired. They come in, shake the person's hand, 235 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 1: say thank you for the opportunity, and walk away. And 236 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: I've seen my my black counter for mad. But we 237 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: all know nobody likes to get fired. Nobody likes to 238 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: get You know that that's a bad experience. But but 239 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: this is the long run. This is the run. This 240 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 1: is a relationship. How you react because it's a very 241 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: small circle. In high the wood, entertainment is a very 242 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: small circle. So if you're a fool over here, leave 243 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: it they're gonna circulate to everybody real quick. So it's 244 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: how you exit, how you exit those dark moments. It's 245 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: very key, and it's from a minority perspective. You cannot 246 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: take this stuff personal. You cannot. But you know what's 247 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: interesting about that, that's a learned behavior too, because nobody 248 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: you could work at Walmart, nobody wants to get fired. 249 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: And it doesn't feel good under any circumstances, doesn't feel good. 250 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: But once you understand the process, and that's this is 251 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: why I wrote this book and number You're Gonna Get 252 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: Fired is my number one chapter is because you're going 253 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: to get fired, and I teach you how to process it. 254 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: And there's like four or five little steps that you 255 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: have to go to to recovery. And those steps, all 256 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: though their small, as you say, little nudgets, they are meaningful. 257 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: And when you understand them, and you you begin to 258 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: sore because you're going to your next job and you 259 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: understand that it's a job and you have to separate 260 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: the friendship from the business. And don't go, don't get 261 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: you up, don't don't get too far in the book now, 262 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: because you're in chapter one and you just slid down 263 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: a chapter that now I've read your book. Now you're 264 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: gonna go slow. They're gonna mess over me. I We're 265 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna get this story told correctly on Money 266 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: Made Conversation because when she does a chapter, she does 267 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: a little a little recap just cause you missed the 268 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: nuggets and she's trying to jop drop. In that chapter, 269 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: she has a little remind the page, this is what 270 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: I talked about decay. You missed it. That way, if 271 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: you reading and go I missed that, you go back 272 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: and see it. 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That's O T 306 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: T E R dot ai. Share a car. I don't 307 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: know how that's gonna be our relationship. I don't know 308 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: how I missed Sherril carb in Hollywood. She's an entertainment legend. 309 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: Please we will be right back with more money making conversations. Hi, 310 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: just Sean McDonald. You're listening to money making conversations on 311 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: the phone and Sheryl Cobb off air. You know, we're 312 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: just talking and just talking like brother and sister. Our 313 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: producers say, can we get some of this stuff on 314 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: the air. She's the author of the very new new book, 315 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: Dirty Little Secrets that nobody wants to tell you about 316 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: the entertainment industry. And the thing about it is that 317 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: being that I've I've been a successful and still I'm 318 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: still as a successful manager, producer, radio, TV. The thing 319 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: about it is that being able to talk to somebody 320 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: who's been there, done that, it's really refreshing. And I 321 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: found that really really refreshing about your book is that 322 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: it's very honest and very truthful and putting together a 323 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: book like this walk us through the steps, Sheryl, you know, 324 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:04,479 Speaker 1: it's we start with experience, just really experience. And I 325 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: was literally I wrote another book, which I'll tell you 326 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: about later, when I said, but it's a bigger book, 327 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: but this ten dirty Little Secrets is a small book 328 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: out of the big book. As I was writing the book, 329 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: I was like, he's a nugget that people need to know. 330 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: So these were extracted out of my bigger book. And 331 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: I decided to releaseys from first because right now, these 332 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: kids out here and then also experienced artists that can't 333 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: like reboot their careers need to read the books. So 334 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: that's how it started, just me going over. I was like, 335 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: what are the ten things? Not a lot? There's something simple, 336 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: the ten things that I believe people need to know. 337 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: And I decided to use the things that affected me most, 338 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: which is friendship, business, finance, loyalty, you know, picking your battles, 339 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: and then also the ministrative stuff which I'm sure we'll 340 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: get into later, and that's called your team. So both 341 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: and picking the right team and having the ranking, so 342 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: both were like the strongest things I can remember that 343 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: will affect every artist, Every last one of these ten 344 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: nuggets will affect you no matter who you are. So 345 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: that's where the whole, that's where the energy came from. 346 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: I know I wanted to stand order, but you brought 347 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: up something that I want to keep at the top 348 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: of the mind. The team. Who is your team? What 349 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: is your team? I remember when I stopped managing Steve Harvey, 350 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: and and I was by myself, you know, and I 351 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: were trying to figure all this out by myself, and 352 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: and and it took me by the year to realize, Rashan, 353 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: you were successful with Steve hard for sure, but you 354 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: also had a team. And so in seventeen I started 355 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: assembling a team around me, people who knew my brand, 356 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: who trusted me, had more passion for my brand sometimes 357 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: than I had, because because it's important to have people 358 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: around you that have passion for your brand, because it 359 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: can get tiring. Just keep talking about yourself, keep motivating yourself, 360 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: keep moving forward, and they drop some information about you. 361 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: Then you go, oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Because 362 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: I always tell people, when you keep telling the same story, 363 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: you start reshaping it, because out of boarder, you start 364 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: changing it, and you start short changing your opportunity, to 365 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: short changing the things that you've accomplished because you trying 366 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: to keep the story fresh for you. So it's important 367 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: to have a team around you that will remind you 368 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: of your story, the whole story, and to remind you 369 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: of your capability, not a part of your capability, but 370 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: your overall results. And that's why I keep reminding of 371 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: the relationships that you have, because when you come on Minds, 372 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: your money made conversation, I always want to talk about 373 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: not with so much what you're doing right now, but 374 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: also their journey, because the journey gives you the validation 375 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: of why we're talking right now, why you can write 376 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: a book like that. If I just start just talking 377 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,479 Speaker 1: about this book, people may get lost going I don't know, Well, 378 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: who is she? Well, I guess what. I Am about 379 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: to tell you who she is. I'm about to tell 380 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: you why you should be impressed. I'm gonna tell you 381 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: in this book, she talks about her flaws. She talks 382 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: about her mistakes. She talks about how she's gotten up 383 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: several times, how being fired was attack on her integrity, 384 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: how R Kelly's old manager Custa like she was a man. 385 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: That was the funniest line in that book. I'm telling something, 386 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: you know, it was funny when I read. I laughed. 387 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: So I said, I said, I said, sher said, he 388 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: cuts me. I like I was a man, Like I 389 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: was a man. I was paralyzed, Oh my god, truly paralyzed. 390 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: And if I'll tell you if that was a defining 391 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: moment for me, because I could have given up at 392 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: that point because it didn't feel good and it hurt, 393 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: and I was scared. He loved me. He was just 394 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: angry with me, and that was that and so you know, 395 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: but for me, right, no, no, no, it wasn't right. 396 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: It wasn't right. But you know what, I took back 397 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: and I'm paralyzed. Let me tell you, I was paralyzed 398 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: for a minute. And then I was like, you know what, 399 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: he didn't make me. M uh So let's go back 400 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: to what I know, because what I know, nobody can 401 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: take away from me. So let's take what I know 402 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: and let's start there and start over. Something that you 403 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: said I don't want to get over is you were 404 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: talking about the team, and um, you asked me, how 405 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: did I come up with the team, and how did 406 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,959 Speaker 1: I recover from being fired or from just tell you this. 407 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: I same thing that happened to you happened to me. 408 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: And then when you're out there alone on the island, 409 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: you start you get depressed. It's easy to get depressed. 410 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: It's easy to go Okay, God, I've worked so many 411 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: years for this person and I've made them successful, and 412 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: here I am alone. So I really started digging deep within. 413 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna come up 414 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: with with a crown fixer. I'm gonna and six. I 415 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: need my crown six and I'm gonna fix other people's crown. Okay, 416 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: I'm betting on me. Okay, it's time to bet on me. 417 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: Those were the things. So I have a good friend. 418 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give her a shout out because she is 419 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: the editor and ghost writer with me on my books. 420 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: Her name is Dr Dean Gordon. I promise you this 421 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 1: woman is amazing, she said. I told her I had 422 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: a story. She said, come talk to me. I sat 423 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: there and I talked to this woman for about three hours, 424 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: and the next day she brought the manuscript and I 425 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: could believe. She was like, this is your story. You 426 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: wrote this. I just typed it and just split it 427 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: in order. And that's how we started writing. And we 428 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: finished that book and we started on another book. She's 429 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: she is like a dream story whisperer. She will take 430 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: your stories. You might think your story is one thing, 431 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,959 Speaker 1: and then you finished talking to her and you come 432 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: out finding out, oh my god, I have a whole 433 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: different story in me. So Stan Gordon's stuck with me, 434 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: walked with me through the Jeremy pam Brussard's my publicist, 435 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: who you know, was an amazing who came to me 436 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: and said, you know what, I rusting you. You've brought 437 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: me a lot of clients. You've been very loyal to me. 438 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna get on your teams. And 439 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: then I have a young lady that's been under me, 440 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: under my tutelage for years. And the mature Griffin said, 441 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: I do social media. I'll do your social media, and 442 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: I trust all three of those people, and we put 443 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: a team together and if I mean honestly, God said, 444 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: right it and I'll do the rest. And now it's 445 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: just like take it off and well, you know this 446 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: is really is because it's important. And when you talk 447 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: about her putting information in that you forgot. That's what 448 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: I was talking about. When you were a success and 449 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: you don't have a team around you, then you forge 450 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: can forget your greatness, You can forget your accomplishments. Because 451 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: sometimes I always tell people like, sometimes you gotta have 452 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: somebody else brag about you, hype you talk about you. 453 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: That's why I love rappers. They started the hype game. 454 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: Gotta come out there. I'm gonna tell you would come 455 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: out and come out there. But but actually I started 456 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: with Muhammad Ali. Muhammad Alias started the hypers. You know, 457 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: he started it. You know, somebody coming out there, go 458 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: out there and tell everybody how great I am? Why 459 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: come out there? Absolutely absolutely there were there were There 460 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: were oral publicists. You know, do you know who about 461 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: to come on this stage? You were just tell this 462 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: bad boy up, the greatest box of all time, the 463 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: prettiest box of all time, and so and so that's 464 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: what and so when you when you when you do so. 465 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: When I was doing stand up comedy as a host, 466 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: that's all I was doing. I was as a host, 467 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: I was a hype goud. They give me the credits 468 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: and I go, Okay, I gotta hype this person up. 469 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: So everybody can realize why they should be excited about 470 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: this person. So they're laugh at his jokes. Okay, a 471 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: singer and things like that. So so so now you 472 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: got a team of hype people around. That's all. I 473 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: have a team of hype people around because sometimes I 474 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: tell things like don't worry about that to go what 475 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: do you mean don't worry about that? You have a 476 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: degree in mathematics. Oh yeah, okay, that's that's a big deal. 477 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: What should put it in your bio? How about working 478 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: for working at IBM? That's a big deal. And so 479 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: because you start cutting off little slices of your success. 480 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: So it's important your book talk about that, and it's 481 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: important that you understand the value of having people around 482 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: you to promote your brand, support your brand, hype your brand. 483 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: That part of the book was so important to me. 484 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: Thank you, And did you read the part right after that? 485 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: This is loyalty a team, but your team has to 486 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: be that person has to be loyal to you as well. Absolutely, 487 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: it goes both ways. Absolutely absolutely. I got that tip 488 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: from Open Went Free. Well you know again, you know 489 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: you went to meet her with Fantasia. Okay, and when 490 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: you call girl King makes your girl King, I read 491 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: your book, young lady. Just let you know. Sure, I'm 492 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: gonna drop a nugget on whatever, because see, so you 493 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: have to read the book. It's certain things. When you 494 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: read the book, you have to pick up a little nuances. 495 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: So so Fantasia wanted open, wanted to talk to Fantasia. Fantasia, 496 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: Fantasia Colin Sheryl sa Chryl. I want you to come 497 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: with you, come with me to meet with Oprah and 498 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: over was her idol. So she wasn't gonna pass up 499 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: on the chance to But but you didn't want to 500 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: go into a meeting if Gail King wasn't gonna be there. 501 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: So you reached out to Gail King, and Gail King 502 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: said she's gonna be there. You got to go to 503 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: the meeting meet your idol because Gail King was there, 504 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: because that was a relationship you had built along the way. 505 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: And life is a wonderful thing. I read you and 506 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: so when I tell people go read your book, okay, 507 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: they should read your book. That story we're gonna leave 508 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: people to read because it's a great It was. So 509 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: it's so inspiring what she taught and what she said. 510 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: She heals me with fantage. I just happened to be collateral. 511 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: I just have to be there, you know, And so 512 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: I was able to take it absorbed. I was in 513 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: the meeting, and then I stepped out and let them 514 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: have a private meeting. But the but the beginning of 515 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: that meeting was so powerful and what she said stuck 516 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: with me, and I had to tell that story absolutely. 517 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: There another story you're telling the book is body your 518 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,479 Speaker 1: relationship with R Kelly or Robert Kelly. You don't need 519 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: to Robert Kelly, Okay, And then you say this and 520 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: that I took this other book it has been uh, 521 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: I've been uh. He never tried to sleep with me 522 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: and treated me like a princess. A lot of people 523 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: may not like that I'm writing this, but every situation 524 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: is different. I only knew that version of R. Kelly 525 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: or Robert Kelly. That's what you call it, Robert because 526 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: because of the fact that we all know what's going 527 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: on in the media right now. But that's but you 528 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: can't deny the relationship and the positive impact that that 529 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: relationship had in your life. And you mentioned that in 530 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: the book, but you still felt it had value to 531 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: your story. Correct it was so important, and people warned 532 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: me about mentioning it, but I was like, I'm not ashamed. 533 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: It's a part of my journey when I worked with him, 534 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: And it'll tell you in the book Little Interscope, I 535 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: worked with Jimmy, I beante stout were I ran just 536 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: recrod label and so I didn't run to the gym 537 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: and play basketball. And in liqus private life, so you 538 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: can work with somebody and have absolutely no idea about 539 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: what they're doing in their private life. So I was 540 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: astonished and still am. I'm just hurt beyond measure because 541 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, and you know, everybody gets there day in course, 542 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: but my journey, my experience was not a bad experience. 543 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: So I had to put it in there because it's fair. 544 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: And you'll notice in the book I throw myself under 545 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: the bus several times because I have to tell the 546 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: truth about the journey because no matter who you work with, 547 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: good or bad, sometimes you know, I have had clients 548 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: to file bankruptcy. I was right there. I had clients 549 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: who who's had you know, And I never tell anybody's 550 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: private business in the book, I tell my private business absolutely, 551 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: and that's and that was that was fine with me, 552 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: like I said, but this part of the book I 553 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: thought was important because if relationships with hor Makus and 554 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: so good are bad, and so I felt it was 555 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: very courageous moment for you because you could took it 556 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: an easy road out and say, I'm not leaving this 557 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: part of it. I'm just gonna talk about this. But 558 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: you're talking about dirty little secrets and entertainment industry, and 559 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: some of these secrets are about people who you work with, 560 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: people who you do business with, and but how do 561 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: you act there's no different than I'm not trying to 562 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: go into that next level. It's a lot of people 563 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: did business with Harvey Wayne Stein Weinstein. So so that's 564 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: that's a dirty little secret that now he's in he's 565 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: been committed to twenty three years of incarceration based on 566 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: that verdict. And so but in your book, it's so 567 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: many it's about relationship you talk about, it's about being fired, 568 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: It's about the team you put around you. It's about 569 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: the people, because the team is the key at that point. Now, 570 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: because the fact that you have people around you to 571 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: tell you I wouldn't do that, I would, I would, 572 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: I would avoid those relationships is not something you should 573 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: have on your resume. But those are the things that 574 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: we deal in life. But you're telling this story is 575 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: a great book. Cheryl, tell us how we get the book, because, 576 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: as you can see, and I've enjoyed the book, I've 577 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: lived that life as a manager, as a producer. You've 578 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: dropped some nuggets on me. But more importantly, the nuggets 579 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: that you're dropping in the book are relatable to everyday people. Well, 580 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: you can have two things. Let me just say this. 581 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: It has been such a pleasure talking to you. It's 582 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: like I know you brought my brother, and the honor 583 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: of it is that you understanding. You clearly see it 584 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: because you had the same experiences. So I love that 585 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: and I love talking to you. And when we get 586 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: off this line, we're gonna talk to a little bit more. 587 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: But you can get the book. It's everywhere, um ten 588 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: Dirty Little Secrets dot Com. Go in pitch the buttons 589 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: by the book. But I'm also on Barnes and Noble, 590 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: I'm on Amazon, I'm on Kindle, so I'm left to 591 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: be everywhere all over the world. You can find me. 592 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: There's no way you can, but tim Dirty Little Secrets 593 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: dot Com easy enough, Just push it. The book is 594 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: there and all the other sites I'm on, Instagram, Facebook, 595 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: all of it little secret and I was just just 596 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: my closest day. One of my favorite chapters was the 597 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: was the reality show that you would do with Shanta 598 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: Moore and and oh my god, oh my god, it's 599 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: because I've been there. I've been there. You know, they 600 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: tell you one thing and they get you out there 601 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: and we're gonna that that's not working for us. We 602 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: gotta we gotta turn up the volume. We gotta turn 603 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: up the drama. This is not gonna be uh, this 604 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: little nice story we told you guys were gonna do. 605 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: And then you gotta protect your brain, you gotta protect 606 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: your people, gotta protect you. And then something and you 607 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: do it too quick and blow up in front of 608 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: you and you just have to just take it. And 609 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: that's how people can manipulate you in this business. And 610 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: those are the dirty little secrets that she's talking about 611 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: in the book. You know, is that just because you 612 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: signed up to do something doesn't mean that's going to 613 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: be the final story. 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