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Speaker 1: hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well,
Speaker 1: there's a draft show back in the SWBC Mortgage studios
Speaker 1: here at the Star in Frisco. After a very successful
Speaker 1: combine in Indianapolis, we're all back here to talk about
Speaker 1: it as the big Boys guy, says Brian brought us
Speaker 1: here with David Hellman, Dane Brugler, Kent Garrison, executive producing guys.
Speaker 1: Another combine in the books. Time for the Draft show
Speaker 1: to put a bow on it. I also want to
Speaker 1: tease something else. You need a little Twitter on the twenty, sure,
Speaker 1: because I always want to do that, definitely, But I'm
Speaker 1: also going to ask you, guys, how we're gonna trade
Speaker 1: an impact player in the National Football League. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go through that and impact player in the National Football
Speaker 1: League who could that be? Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: try and talk about the pros and cons of maybe
Speaker 1: trying to move a guy. I don't know. I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like I don't go back and don't talk much about it, Dave,
Speaker 1: No, No No, I just I don't go back through the
Speaker 1: archives and listen the way Brian does. Like Brian goes
Speaker 1: back and re listens to all of our shows. Every show. Um,
Speaker 1: I would bet my life that we have a show
Speaker 1: like this every every single year where Brian's like, let's
Speaker 1: do something crazy. Yeah. Yeah, anyway, Well, I've got my
Speaker 1: guys in the room and we're gonna figure this thing out.
Speaker 1: We'll figure it out. We're gonna figure it out. I've
Speaker 1: got I've got some pros, I've got some cons. But
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna see if it's worth it to
Speaker 1: you out there to move a particular player. With that
Speaker 1: being said, though, I do want to put a bow
Speaker 1: on this combine Dane Brugler, and I want to start
Speaker 1: with you because you are on this from the word go.
Speaker 1: Now you've done a great job of always covering the combine.
Speaker 1: I appreciate your efforts, the talents, the ability you have.
Speaker 1: So when you tell me combine winners and combined losers,
Speaker 1: I pay attention. And that's a guy, it's a twenty
Speaker 1: seven year veteran in the National Football League. So with that,
Speaker 1: tell me some guys that caught your eye that you
Speaker 1: you know, you study the tape, you understand this league.
Speaker 1: Who are some guys that helped themselves in this combine?
Speaker 1: And what I like to do is have three categories
Speaker 1: leaving and combine winners, losers, and shoot, I need to
Speaker 1: go back to the tape. Yeah, and there were plenty
Speaker 1: of guys in each category this year. The winners, I
Speaker 1: think we start with Montest Sweat, who okay, tape check
Speaker 1: production only Josh Allen has more sacks the last two
Speaker 1: years from Kentucky than Montest Sweat. So production, check, testing,
Speaker 1: double check, highlight bold. I mean, he blew up the
Speaker 1: combine with what he did four four one and the
Speaker 1: forty yard dash, and look, the forty is great. I
Speaker 1: care about the ten yards split, the three cone and
Speaker 1: that's where he blew it up. In the ten yards split.
Speaker 1: That's comparable to Antonio Brown, Jalen Ramsey. Uh, the seven
Speaker 1: flat and the three cones a great time. So Montes
Speaker 1: Sweat went from a mid first round pick too. I'd
Speaker 1: be shocked if he gets out of the top eight picks.
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, now in mock drafts, David Hellman, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this name is gonna be pushed up the board, isn't it. Well,
Speaker 1: he already got that push at the Senior Bowl, which
Speaker 1: but you know, we've proud of him for going to
Speaker 1: do with the Senior Bowl stuff too. Yeah. Absolutely, he's
Speaker 1: been a good been a good rise for him. He's
Speaker 1: killing this whole thing. And there's always a guy that
Speaker 1: succeeds at the Senior Bowl who kind of falls back
Speaker 1: down to where he should be. Right, this is not
Speaker 1: that guy. Yeah, he's uh, he's yeah, I mean and yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think we've known, you know, since January
Speaker 1: that he would be a first round pick. I wasn't
Speaker 1: convinced he would be a top ten pick. But sure
Speaker 1: as hell, looks like we're not falling in love with
Speaker 1: a guy just because he's worked out. Well, the tape
Speaker 1: is good for this guy, right, What did Dan just say? Yeah? No, absolutely, no,
Speaker 1: I'm I didn't mean to come out you No, No,
Speaker 1: that's the draft show. That's what you do, you come
Speaker 1: after you. I'm gearing up for our conversation about to
Speaker 1: be intact. But back in December, I did a top
Speaker 1: fifty board. I did a preseason board and then I
Speaker 1: updated it in December. Monthest what was top ten on
Speaker 1: that board. So there you go. Not a big surprise
Speaker 1: that he's been but he did make himself some money,
Speaker 1: so he qualifies as a winner. How do you think
Speaker 1: he did on the interviews? Well, and that is a
Speaker 1: big question for him because he spent he spent two
Speaker 1: years at Michigan State right in the doghouse, right, he
Speaker 1: was a tight end back then he was young. I
Speaker 1: heard positive things in the Senior Bowl how he did,
Speaker 1: and then I did not hear anything specifically about the combine.
Speaker 1: But I think we're trending away from that discussion when
Speaker 1: it comes to Montest Sweat. So no, Charlie Castley, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna scar trying to say my job now, maybe with
Speaker 1: a different pass rusher, but not with monthest Sweat. I think, okay,
Speaker 1: there all right, A couple of winners go to the
Speaker 1: greatest rivalry in sports, Michigan. Ohiuse State from Michigan. I
Speaker 1: think Rashaun Garry had all the buzz in terms of
Speaker 1: the Michigan defenders, but it was David Long the corner
Speaker 1: who really impressed. Four four five and the forty solid time,
Speaker 1: the three cone six four five, that's a silly time
Speaker 1: going back to the last two decades, it's the fourth
Speaker 1: best ever at any position, So that's pretty good. And
Speaker 1: this is a guy who he did well in the
Speaker 1: positional stuffs. His hips, his movements and reverse looked really smooth.
Speaker 1: So I think David Long helped himself. He's a guy
Speaker 1: on tape who doesn't have a lot of action. Yeah,
Speaker 1: plays physical, sometimes too physical, a lot of man coverage
Speaker 1: in a Don Brown defense. But I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: teams are question okay because he played a lot of
Speaker 1: outside right and he moving in nickel, hold up in space.
Speaker 1: I think he answered those concerns with how he worked out.
Speaker 1: Boy a good looking group of guys on David Hillman.
Speaker 1: You see how tall all those cats were, Yeah, all
Speaker 1: moving around out there. Yeah. Well, And going back to
Speaker 1: the rivalry Michigan Ohio State, Paris Campbell for Campbell, and
Speaker 1: it really comes down and not just Paris Campbell, the
Speaker 1: all three Ohio state receivers were blazing in the forty
Speaker 1: Johnny Dixon was the four fors, Terry McLaurin was four
Speaker 1: three five, and then Paris mccampbell four three one. And
Speaker 1: the big thing with Campbell is he looked really good
Speaker 1: in the downfield routes he did, drill he did and
Speaker 1: everything you watched it Ohio State generally underneath, horizontal he
Speaker 1: was in. He was in that Percy Harvin roule that
Speaker 1: each back he was a lot of underneath stuff, a
Speaker 1: lot of comebacks, a lot of cross there's a lot
Speaker 1: of jet sweeps, bubbles, tunnel screens, those kinds of things.
Speaker 1: So to see him down the field tracking the football, uh,
Speaker 1: looked really smooth in his routes. That's a big step
Speaker 1: for him. I'm working on a mock draft right now.
Speaker 1: It'll be out on Monday, Paris. Campbell is going to
Speaker 1: be in that first round, which, okay, I'm glad I've
Speaker 1: been out of pet and we didn't have many first
Speaker 1: round receivers. Now we're talking about it at all. Where
Speaker 1: we've been debating this whole time. Mock draft though, Right,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about these guys? Yeah? No, but
Speaker 1: in back in Indie I said I didn't feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of people were talking about this guy, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't think first round though, Like that's when you're
Speaker 1: that very interesting to hear. Yeah, and you're he's your
Speaker 1: six foot you're over two hundred pounds. I good length here,
Speaker 1: this type caliber of athlete because he was forty in
Speaker 1: the ver really good times across the board. And a
Speaker 1: big thing for him was he came back for a
Speaker 1: senior year at Ohio State and really improved catching the football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ninety receptions, we see he set the Ohio State record
Speaker 1: single season record when it was only the fifth receiver
Speaker 1: at Ohio State history to go over a thousand yards
Speaker 1: in a year in a season. But more but productive
Speaker 1: catching the football just as a finisher. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he really improved his catch rate. Now, a big part
Speaker 1: of that is a lot of easy throws one, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the quarterback did the heck with job getting to the ball.
Speaker 1: That's also a big factor. Sure, so you know he's
Speaker 1: gonna have some drops, but he improved his drop rate
Speaker 1: tremendously from his junior year to his senior year. Everything
Speaker 1: you're saying about this guy is why he would interest
Speaker 1: me for the Cowboys because he could fill all the
Speaker 1: roles that they are potentially losing. So it's a bummer
Speaker 1: to hear you boost his draft stock. Are people looking
Speaker 1: at him. We talk about with Thomas from the Saints.
Speaker 1: Are people looking at these Ohio State receivers and say, no,
Speaker 1: who's the next guy? Well? I think that you know
Speaker 1: that asking probably too much there, different style of player,
Speaker 1: different style. Yeah, but but Ohio State receiver? No, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean he's like that's not maybe not maybe, I
Speaker 1: mean not the most I know Thomas came on. I
Speaker 1: feel like Thomas came on late. He did he see
Speaker 1: his best year he had like eight hundred yards receiving.
Speaker 1: So what Ohio State is one of those programs where
Speaker 1: like they're just churning out such a silly amount of
Speaker 1: talent that like their their college production isn't necessarily in
Speaker 1: you know, indicative of anything. It just means they couldn't
Speaker 1: beat out the other five star on the field. And
Speaker 1: it's funny. It's a good point teaser for the mock
Speaker 1: draft on Monday. I have him going to the Raiders
Speaker 1: at twenty seven, so we can compare them right there, Cooper, Yeah,
Speaker 1: going forward to how those two work out, because yeah,
Speaker 1: fast we were we had Kyle Martin on from the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, how he did a good job. He did
Speaker 1: a nice job. You'd appreciate that because we had him
Speaker 1: on him talking about the Raiders and you know what
Speaker 1: they're picking, and he was you know, he was. We
Speaker 1: were all, you know, Dane. The thing that Dane wanted
Speaker 1: to see was them to draft a receiver at twenty
Speaker 1: seven so he can compare. Sure, what you have with
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper with with that'd be fun a receiver that
Speaker 1: they have. Okay, you're continued winners here. If we're sticking
Speaker 1: with the receivers, we have to see Miles Boykin. Uh.
Speaker 1: And now I think that was a shock to me.
Speaker 1: He always also qualifies for they go back to the tape. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he gets in two categories. You're right. So for a
Speaker 1: guy that's six four two twenty yeah, runs a four
Speaker 1: four two. Uh, jumps were outstanding, the three Colne was outsanding.
Speaker 1: Short line too. He plays athletic, Yeah, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: play to that speed. That's what it's funny because he doesn't.
Speaker 1: He doesn't run with his pads like that. Right. He's
Speaker 1: a fast guy, right, and he'll he'll make some impressive
Speaker 1: catches where he's making you know, his body control, his
Speaker 1: adjustments to the football. You know, you can tell he's athletic.
Speaker 1: On tape. Quarterback situation proved there too as well, but
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. That's true. It didn't have great production led
Speaker 1: the team in receiving, but Miles boy Can definitely a
Speaker 1: player to go back to the tape, but he helped himself.
Speaker 1: He turned some heads with how he performed. Okay, we
Speaker 1: add of winners. Are we still? I think two guys
Speaker 1: in the offensive line Andre Dillard from Washington State. I
Speaker 1: think Andre Dillard and we talked about this going back
Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl. How you know he was the
Speaker 1: top senior offensive lineman. But okay, where exactly is his value?
Speaker 1: Is he a first round high first round picks, a
Speaker 1: late first round pick, early second round pick? Performed pretty
Speaker 1: well at the Senior Bowl. Then he goes to the
Speaker 1: combine and at three hundred and fifteen pounds and again
Speaker 1: this is the one workout that I got to see
Speaker 1: him person, right, and yeah, you were in the stadium
Speaker 1: that day. He just he looks he moved differently everybody
Speaker 1: else on the on the on the field. Yeah, he David,
Speaker 1: He's never on the ground. I mean, I ask you
Speaker 1: a guy, when you when you watch when you watch, yeah,
Speaker 1: when you watch him mean the body, control of the balance,
Speaker 1: the footwork. He doesn't play stressed at all. It reminds
Speaker 1: me a lot of back into the thirteen. I remember
Speaker 1: being on in the stands watching Luke Jokel. Was talked
Speaker 1: about it at the top pick that year. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then Eric Fisher and Luke Joker were going like back
Speaker 1: to back, back to back. Yeah. I remember leaving Lucas
Speaker 1: Oil Stadium that day thinking, and I tweeted it that day,
Speaker 1: Eric Fisher's going number one, Like he's a much better athlete,
Speaker 1: much better mover than Luke Jokel. And that's how it
Speaker 1: turned out happening. Andre Dillard I left. When I left
Speaker 1: Lucas Oil Stadium, I came to you guys and said,
Speaker 1: this guy's going to talk you definitely. You definitely did.
Speaker 1: We talked about it one of those shows in Indie.
Speaker 1: But what's interesting to me is, uh, you know, he's
Speaker 1: coming out of Washington State, which you know, these the
Speaker 1: Mike Leak Leak Mike Leach offense is like NFL types
Speaker 1: are decrying that offense is like the death of good
Speaker 1: offensive line play like that. You know, people credit those
Speaker 1: college schemes for why it's so hard to find good
Speaker 1: offensive line play in the NFL, where you're telling me
Speaker 1: the best guy in this year's draft might be coming
Speaker 1: out of a program, it makes it more difficult, no question.
Speaker 1: Because in case, I talked to Jalen Jolks at the
Speaker 1: Combine Oregon defense and I asked, okay, who was the
Speaker 1: toughest offensive tackle you faced? And you know, he said
Speaker 1: a few names and an insay Dillard. I said, okay,
Speaker 1: well what about Dillard? And he said, well, it really
Speaker 1: wasn't a challenge because the ball is up and gone
Speaker 1: before I can't even you know, do anything. So and
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve has a really cool award called the
Speaker 1: Morris Trophy, which the offensive lineman the players vote on
Speaker 1: who the best defensive lineman is in the conference, and
Speaker 1: vice versa, defensive lineman vote on the best offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: And Caleb McGarry won the award Washington offensive tackle over
Speaker 1: Andre Dillard. And I think a big part of that
Speaker 1: is you just you don't get really get a chance
Speaker 1: to see Dillard show what he can do on a
Speaker 1: consistent basis because the balls up and gone so quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how about the losers, you know, and and and you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, they're working out and stuff like.
Speaker 1: I mean losers kind of a strong strong word. But
Speaker 1: the guys that you know that we're kind of looking
Speaker 1: at that maybe didn't help themselves as much. I think
Speaker 1: it starts with Chipolite, and that's who I was kind
Speaker 1: of alluding to earlier by the pass rusher who didn't
Speaker 1: help himself. First of all, he's weighed in sixteen pounds
Speaker 1: heavier than he was listed at at Florida two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty eight pounds. The workouts he ran at four eight,
Speaker 1: which is if you watch him on film, you see
Speaker 1: a guy that's instant speed. He can bend, he can
Speaker 1: get after the quarterback for eight. He doesn't see. He
Speaker 1: doesn't play like that. He plays much faster, thirty two
Speaker 1: inches in the vert and then you know he exited
Speaker 1: with a hamstring injury. I put that hamstring in. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe a hurt, hurt pride a little bit, Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: a text from an agent saying stop, get out of here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: get out of here. I actually this though, I remember
Speaker 1: sugs Arizona State Cults Ravens, possible Hall of Famer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, you know, four nine. Yeah, at Arizona State,
Speaker 1: we kept trying to go and getting him faster. He
Speaker 1: never could run fast than thirty eight year a dash. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the thirty yard. I couldn't stand at thirty eight and
Speaker 1: getting fast enough. But that's what I'm saying, though. It's
Speaker 1: a guy that's super super talented, but maybe not going
Speaker 1: to be able to run as well, more so than
Speaker 1: just the testing is okay, well, why aren't you in
Speaker 1: better shape? Why aren't you going back? It's not important
Speaker 1: to you kind of a thing. There were character concerns,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm always hesitant to talk about character
Speaker 1: stuff when I don't have a concrete example, like I
Speaker 1: can't say this guy was arrested or this or that.
Speaker 1: I don't have a concrete example. But at my report
Speaker 1: on Jachi Polite I put in, their scouts are really
Speaker 1: worried about his maturity and his character. And I received
Speaker 1: a lot of feedbacks. And his teammates speak kylie of him.
Speaker 1: He's never got any trouble. The coaches say good things
Speaker 1: about him at Florida, Like, what is it? I can't
Speaker 1: tell you. I just know I've been told by scouts
Speaker 1: there's character concerns. Okay, we go to the combine and
Speaker 1: I heard from multiple scouts which said train wreck temperamental. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he did not perform well during the interview process at
Speaker 1: the Combine, and it matches up with what I heard
Speaker 1: all season long and again working on this first round. Mok,
Speaker 1: he's not in there. Yeah, so he definitely And there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people that had him going to Green
Speaker 1: Bay at twelve, I believe was kind of even even
Speaker 1: our colleague Kevin Turner was like, how do I get
Speaker 1: this guy at twelve? You know, Packer fan himself, but well,
Speaker 1: now that's you know, sitting here Paris Campbell. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, You're like, you're telling me, I can't hope
Speaker 1: that he falls to the Cowboys. How far down does
Speaker 1: this push Chai Polite? Good question, I don't know. And
Speaker 1: all it takes his one team? You know, I could
Speaker 1: see a team like Seattle taking him at twenty one.
Speaker 1: About my baals, especially given the value of the positions, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Seattle is a very good, good call for talented play.
Speaker 1: You know this. Absolutely, they're gonna give you every Carroll
Speaker 1: chance and so okay, they'll meet with Polite at the
Speaker 1: let's say he improves his times at the pro Day,
Speaker 1: they'll get him on the grass at Florida Ben Griffin
Speaker 1: Hill Stadium whatever they call it Hill Griffin. You take
Speaker 1: him to dinner, Yeah, okay, you take him to dinner.
Speaker 1: Maybe he performs better in terms of his character, in
Speaker 1: terms of the way he presents himself. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're feeling a little bit better. So he could still
Speaker 1: go in the first because all it takes his one team.
Speaker 1: But man, I don't know Seattle picks at twenty one
Speaker 1: and see them trade down to like twenty six and
Speaker 1: still draft him. Well, they are low one draft picks.
Speaker 1: They went out of that pick, no question. And I
Speaker 1: think they also haven't picked in their original slot in
Speaker 1: like six years. Yeah, they just don't do that. They're
Speaker 1: not fans of that. No one saw him taking a
Speaker 1: shot penny in the first round last year, so Seattle
Speaker 1: definitely that was a surprise. When we were all a
Speaker 1: draft day when that was rolling on, we all like,
Speaker 1: whoa what how about somebody else? You get Draymond Jones
Speaker 1: from Ohio State. Now we watch him one tape. The
Speaker 1: foundation of his game is quickness. It is it's the
Speaker 1: ability to be slippery through gaps and create disruption in
Speaker 1: the backfield. Two eighty one pounds and the testing times
Speaker 1: were below average. So that was really surprising to see
Speaker 1: for a former basketball player. A guy that flashes on tape,
Speaker 1: you better have good testing times, right, and he didn't
Speaker 1: have it. So Draymond Jones is gonna be a tough
Speaker 1: one to figure out. Plays really tall he does. I struggles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you watch him play, David, it's it's one of
Speaker 1: those things where and the first thing he does is
Speaker 1: just right up out of a stand, I mean just
Speaker 1: straight up and then you're watching then. But I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, when you when you talked about him, Dane,
Speaker 1: I did kind of see a little bit of a
Speaker 1: slippery player, right, you know. But but when you're right,
Speaker 1: when you're when your guy that you're talking about as
Speaker 1: an undertackle or three technique, you know, and you don't
Speaker 1: you don't play with that you're testing numbers don't show
Speaker 1: that has a weird number to see on a d Linemann. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a strange. It is a very strange six that's
Speaker 1: down all round at least. Yeah, well it's better than
Speaker 1: any number they mean, it's like a number five ye
Speaker 1: that I hate the single Well, look at look at
Speaker 1: number two, right, number one. Who is that? Because he's yeah,
Speaker 1: he's flashed. When you watch Ohio State tape. That number
Speaker 1: two shows up a lot when we do our October episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know during the bye week and be talking about
Speaker 1: Chase Young. Yeah, we'll see who goes higher, Nick Bosa
Speaker 1: this year or Chase Young next year. Yeah, so anybody
Speaker 1: else you got on there? I mean, I think we
Speaker 1: have to talk about DK met half and I don't
Speaker 1: know what where he fits in terms of the categories.
Speaker 1: Probably the you know, need to go back to the
Speaker 1: tape because look, we knew he was gonna run fast.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody expected four three three at two
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty eight pounds. The guy's a freak. But
Speaker 1: the three cone in his short shuttle were looked like
Speaker 1: he was running the SEC indoor Championship when he came
Speaker 1: blowing down that line. Yeah, but what about the three
Speaker 1: cone though, No, No, that's what Dane pointed that out.
Speaker 1: Dane was very quick to say, listen, I can tell
Speaker 1: you this guy can run really fast straight. I don't
Speaker 1: know about change of direction, and I don't think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be good because you see it on tape. He
Speaker 1: did do it's it's a struggle. He is stiff, there's
Speaker 1: no question about that. Scares the Bejesus out of me,
Speaker 1: if I'm being honest. But okay, it's just he still
Speaker 1: has well myth scares you because of that treadwell, doesn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he still has a tremendous big play potential, right, there's
Speaker 1: no question with what he can do vertically, take the
Speaker 1: top off at defense. Uh, just a big physical size.
Speaker 1: But he's not a natural pass catcher. He's not a
Speaker 1: savvy route runner, and he is a stiff athlete. Like
Speaker 1: those three things are going to work against him, and
Speaker 1: I think it makes it really tough to figure out
Speaker 1: his ceiling and his value in the draft because I
Speaker 1: think he has no question is upside, no question is
Speaker 1: big play potential. But where do you draft that? Where
Speaker 1: do you what is he going to be in the NFL?
Speaker 1: What's his comparison? He's not Josh Gordon. Yeah, like Josh
Speaker 1: Gordon was a much more fluid rounte runner. Fluid is
Speaker 1: the best comparison for this guy, a Ted version of
Speaker 1: Ted Gain, except he's fifty pounds bigger and yeah four
Speaker 1: inches taller, you know, like again still playing example, and
Speaker 1: that's I think dk Metcoff can have a productive career.
Speaker 1: But I don't think just because he ran a four
Speaker 1: three three, I don't think he's worth a tope. We
Speaker 1: fall in love with the picture of a guy that
Speaker 1: looks like you could strike matches on him. Well, sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that. I mean, you fall in love with that.
Speaker 1: But then but then in your in your mind, in
Speaker 1: the scout's mind, the scouts thinking it's too big. Do
Speaker 1: you think he's still a first round pick than yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think he gets out of the top twenty.
Speaker 1: I think he could go top time. That boy he
Speaker 1: just talked like he wasn't going to be the top twenty.
Speaker 1: But it's teams are going to focus on what he
Speaker 1: can do, not what he can't do. And you don't
Speaker 1: think teams are concerned with like you are about the
Speaker 1: lack of change of the change of direction. I think so,
Speaker 1: I definitely do. But I think they're going to focus
Speaker 1: on the four three three, the power, the size, and say,
Speaker 1: mister Davis still alive with the Raiders. They might, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think there's a The Raiders earned that reputation
Speaker 1: because most of those picks were bad picks like Darius
Speaker 1: Hayward Bay not a similar player. Could this guy be
Speaker 1: the biggest bus factor in the first round. I'm I'm asking,
Speaker 1: I'm asking two names. Terrified of this guy? High risk,
Speaker 1: high reward? Yeah, boom or bust. I think rare Shawn
Speaker 1: Gary's in that conversation. Don't say that I love Gary.
Speaker 1: I think that DK Metcalf's in that conversation. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that he would be uh, he would fit that.
Speaker 1: So this guy makes me happy. The Cowboys don't have
Speaker 1: a first round pick because you think they would take
Speaker 1: this guy. No, they wouldn't, but not not because of
Speaker 1: any of that. They just why do you need a
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the first round. I mean, you're gonna
Speaker 1: bank on the big play potential. You're gonna focus on
Speaker 1: what he can do and how special it is, and
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna hope for the best. This is
Speaker 1: my this is my drop of twenty nine crap. You
Speaker 1: boys are in the office. Your boys are Your team
Speaker 1: has been struggling the last couple of years. You're both
Speaker 1: are general managers. Your team has been struggling the last
Speaker 1: couple of years. You're kind of on the hot seat.
Speaker 1: A little bit. Are you taking this guy Metcalf? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is a point in the first round where I
Speaker 1: would take him. Yes, I would not take him top
Speaker 1: ten though, Okay, say, okay, you're Tampa, you're my guy
Speaker 1: at Tampa. You're kind of you're kind of already have
Speaker 1: a guy that runs straight. I'm just saying, though, you're
Speaker 1: you're your GM that's on a hot seat. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you're your your your existence to be able to pay
Speaker 1: your lake house off as means you have to have
Speaker 1: a good draft. I guess what, fifty percent of first
Speaker 1: round draft picks probably don't work out. So, yes, this
Speaker 1: might gout. This guy might have higher bus potential, but
Speaker 1: he has higher boom potential too. Wow, So at some
Speaker 1: point in now I'm not taking him top ten, but
Speaker 1: it's a lot more palatable after pick twenty. But like,
Speaker 1: if I'm the Titans at nineteen and I'm looking for
Speaker 1: every way to help Marcus Mariota, I thought, that's like
Speaker 1: a pretty good guy with Davis a few years ago.
Speaker 1: He really he's been okay, coming on, he's healthy, he's
Speaker 1: on the field, he's been I'm saying, Okay, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm looking for that big play potential. And
Speaker 1: if I'm a team like the Titans where I'm trying
Speaker 1: to help out my quarterback, that would interest me. Does
Speaker 1: he help your quarterback? Yes? I think he does. Okay,
Speaker 1: I knew I could get you to say it. He's
Speaker 1: a first round pick. It's just I think we need
Speaker 1: to temper expectations with Oh, he's definitely top ten now
Speaker 1: or you know he's he's going to be a big riser.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's what we thought he was going in.
Speaker 1: Really's fast, but really stiff. He's a late round, first
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Speaker 1: Dane List you know guys, Yeah, Eddie, all right, all right, No,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get right into it. Yeah. I'm actually really
Speaker 1: relieved that Dan didn't bring this guy up because a
Speaker 1: lot of people were asking about him after the combine.
Speaker 1: Mitchell wants to know does the tape match the athletic
Speaker 1: traits for Kansas State running back Alex Barnes. It's funny
Speaker 1: if you ask just a general college football fan who
Speaker 1: led the Big twelve in rushing last year, how many
Speaker 1: would say David Montgomery. It's a good guest here for
Speaker 1: the Oklahoma kid. Do we one of the Oklahoma's tray
Speaker 1: sermon one of those guys? Uh? But it was this
Speaker 1: kid Barnes from Kansas State, like thirteen hundred rushing yards.
Speaker 1: He's a bigger guy. He's physical. He is not afraid
Speaker 1: to drop his pads and run over you. They just
Speaker 1: there were in a lot of open field runs on
Speaker 1: his tape, so it was hard to see necessarily that athleticism.
Speaker 1: But he has some burst to him. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he gets through the whole quickly. I didn't expect those numbers.
Speaker 1: And it's funny he uh, talking to people that he
Speaker 1: was training with his he had like a thirty eight
Speaker 1: and a half in a vert talking to people that
Speaker 1: he's training with, he never got better than thirty five.
Speaker 1: They're in training and he got thirty eight and a
Speaker 1: half at the combine. So adrenaline man, great good, I
Speaker 1: mean yeah great for hid scared he must have had
Speaker 1: five oreos instead of four like one of Williams that morning.
Speaker 1: But so good for him. He tested well. I don't
Speaker 1: he also qualifies as a guy. You're going back to
Speaker 1: watch the tape just to see if you know, you
Speaker 1: do see a little bit more of that athleticism on
Speaker 1: the field. But he definitely helped himself. Well, you're right
Speaker 1: about that. The running stuff, even though they have you know,
Speaker 1: a guy in a tackle you have to look at that.
Speaker 1: You know, you preach act to guard your center, you know,
Speaker 1: wherever you want to project him. Yeah, they just did
Speaker 1: not have a lot of space to run, right, I
Speaker 1: mean they were. There are a lot of times where
Speaker 1: he's just running into a wall and you know, getting
Speaker 1: what he can. So good for him for having the
Speaker 1: workout that he did. Finishing up from the first segment,
Speaker 1: CJ wants to know if Chichai Polite fell to fifty eight,
Speaker 1: do you take that risk? And it's easy to dismiss
Speaker 1: this because it's hard to imagine him falling that far.
Speaker 1: And I know they're different positions, but I would have
Speaker 1: I would have said the exact same thing about guys
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, and there he was at fifty nine,
Speaker 1: So there's gonna be somebody's gonna slide and you're ready
Speaker 1: and the interest of that, how would you feel about that?
Speaker 1: And that's an interesting comparison because it's it's different than
Speaker 1: like Randy Gregory, right, you know, Randy Gregory fell, which
Speaker 1: as far as I'm aware, we we still don't know
Speaker 1: what guys did that scared so many people off, right,
Speaker 1: and I think it was more just the people he
Speaker 1: rolled with, you know, background, that kind of thing, just
Speaker 1: it scared some teams away. And with Polite, it's just,
Speaker 1: you know, he's anything but polite. It's kind of he's
Speaker 1: the maturity, the just way he handles himself. But you know,
Speaker 1: can you trust him? You know? Yeah, if you can't
Speaker 1: trust a player, you can't draft the player. So you
Speaker 1: have to have some level of trust there. And if
Speaker 1: this team can find that with him, then sure, roll
Speaker 1: the dice at fifty eight and take him. But that
Speaker 1: all low enough cost that you would do it. I
Speaker 1: have to trust the player. I don't care it's seventh round.
Speaker 1: I need to trust the player. Yeah, you guys are
Speaker 1: talking right in my wheelhouse right now. Well, you know
Speaker 1: Brian will do it. Yes, damn right, I'll do it.
Speaker 1: And you don't even love the player. I have a second,
Speaker 1: real great on the play. But he likes him a
Speaker 1: lot more at fifty eighth than he would absolutely like
Speaker 1: twenty five. Absolutely I do. And you know, and again
Speaker 1: that's just I'm looking on ability and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But if if if guys like Dane Brugler and other
Speaker 1: scouts are telling me brought us you need to go
Speaker 1: back and look at this guy. You need to go
Speaker 1: back and look at this You need to go back
Speaker 1: and look at this guy. Okay, I don't have the
Speaker 1: advantage in Dan's right, We don't have the advantage of
Speaker 1: knowing all the off field stuff about him. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wish I could go talk to the equipment manager
Speaker 1: about this kid. I absolutely do. But if you're telling
Speaker 1: me I have a chance to draft this guy at
Speaker 1: fifty eight as you would do, Dave, come on, bring
Speaker 1: him on, let's go. I mean this, This team drafted
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory at sixty and he had more. Clearly, his
Speaker 1: baggage was a little bit more to deal with than
Speaker 1: all that. So right, yeah, well, and taking that chance
Speaker 1: with Randy Gregory is why this team's and a little
Speaker 1: bit of a hole. Right, Yeah, Oh, you're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: both negotiating with the Marcus Lawrence and trying to fill
Speaker 1: that other defensive I'll never forget that. The last thing
Speaker 1: that Jason Garrett said to him is you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have to worry about jam No, coach,
Speaker 1: You're not gonna have to worry about me. It sounded
Speaker 1: very convincing at the time. Yeah, and he won't be
Speaker 1: the won't be the last. Trust me on that. Marcus says,
Speaker 1: would you rather have Renell Wren or Kalen Saunders to
Speaker 1: fensive tackles? We've talked a lot about. Oh, that's funny
Speaker 1: because I was trying to mess with that right now. Well,
Speaker 1: I was working on this mock, and it's only a
Speaker 1: first round mock, but I include the Cowboys and the
Speaker 1: Saints in there because they don't have a first round pick,
Speaker 1: and you haven't taken Ran. Didn't you take the Saunders?
Speaker 1: You had Ran a couple of weeks ago, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want because I think he gives you kind of that
Speaker 1: interchangeable He could play the three, he could play the nose,
Speaker 1: he could help you out both spots. Really good athlete.
Speaker 1: You love the makeup, you love just you don't love
Speaker 1: the and you know, we know Will McClay traditionally doesn't
Speaker 1: like the smaller school guys. But this is the type
Speaker 1: of player where I hope you can overlook the dcal
Speaker 1: and the helmet, the level of competition, you look at
Speaker 1: the traits, You look at the player and say I
Speaker 1: want him on my team. So Kaylin Saunders for me,
Speaker 1: I think would be an excellent pick at fifty eight.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting that's an interesting thought exercise because I mean,
Speaker 1: they've been so good at drafting that I trust that
Speaker 1: they would do that if they were put in that situation.
Speaker 1: But they really haven't though. I mean you could, you know,
Speaker 1: late and vander Esch, you can throw that out there
Speaker 1: if you want to, but I don't. Boise States not
Speaker 1: on that level. Boise States as good as a Nonpower
Speaker 1: five program can be. So I would be curious to
Speaker 1: see if that, you know, if that was the guy,
Speaker 1: would they do it, because they really have avoided those
Speaker 1: types of players in the last four or five, especially
Speaker 1: like like the question asks compared to an Arizona State
Speaker 1: right a player, absolutely, a guy who played right pack
Speaker 1: twelve offensive lineman. Why am I just thinking give me
Speaker 1: n because you play the Arizona State. No, I just
Speaker 1: think he's a better player. Herm Edwards coached him up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's some there's some rawness to rin. But man,
Speaker 1: to me, there looks like if you you could, you
Speaker 1: could hit on this guy. This guy, this guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: I see a guy he's this guy's got so much
Speaker 1: natural ability to play. The raw traits are for sure, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, a little tall out of his dance, But man,
Speaker 1: I mean he's got some power to him. You know,
Speaker 1: talking with our Saudi buddy Dave, how'd that go? Our
Speaker 1: Saudi scout overseas? He's he's on Wren. He I've got him.
Speaker 1: I've got him watching the big fan. Yeah, big fan
Speaker 1: of Wren. So absolutely, Okay, Um, this is this is
Speaker 1: confirming my own personal bias. But I really enjoyed this
Speaker 1: question from just for This Dane. Why is Hollywood Brown
Speaker 1: Marquis Brown not another John Ross? Well? First, A really
Speaker 1: good question well, first, let's look at John Ross. What
Speaker 1: why has John Ross been a bust up to this point?
Speaker 1: Injuries it's a big part of it, right yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: And you know with Brown, he stayed healthy up until
Speaker 1: the end of his career at Oklahoma. Unfortunately with the
Speaker 1: Liz Frank but a one hundred and sixty six pounds
Speaker 1: has to worry you. He scares the crap out of it,
Speaker 1: and as it should. Um, But I don't know, can
Speaker 1: he Why can't he beat de Shawn Jackson instead of
Speaker 1: John Ross? I don't know. Yeah, he could go, you know,
Speaker 1: And you're right, I don't think there's really a clear
Speaker 1: reason to say he's this or that, because we don't
Speaker 1: know until he gets the NFL and you know, shows
Speaker 1: that he can use that speed to equal production at
Speaker 1: the NFL level. Until we see that, you know, it's unproven.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I mean, I get the concern
Speaker 1: with John Ross. But okay, say say the say the
Speaker 1: Bengals drafted John Ross in the early second round. We're
Speaker 1: not talking about John Ross that much because it's just
Speaker 1: unfortunately it didn't work out. But you know, in the
Speaker 1: early second round it's a big difference in top ten
Speaker 1: and we're not talking about Hollywood as a top ten pick.
Speaker 1: We're talking about him probably in the early second round.
Speaker 1: So if i'm I'm I've been more than willing to
Speaker 1: roll the dice at that point. If I'm talking about
Speaker 1: pick you know, thirty nine instead of nine overall that
Speaker 1: is I mean, and yeah, I feel way better if
Speaker 1: you're telling me pick forty two, that's fine. It's where
Speaker 1: you're talking about him, is like pick twenty one where
Speaker 1: I'm right. I think Jackson is an excellent comparison, by
Speaker 1: the way. I think it makes perfect sense. And not
Speaker 1: just the speed, the size, but DeShawn Jackson's such a
Speaker 1: natural tracker of the football, oh gosh, yeah, the deep throw,
Speaker 1: And that's that's what Hollywood does. He is you see
Speaker 1: him his ball judgment when the ball is in flight,
Speaker 1: whether you know he understands how to slow his route
Speaker 1: or speed up, you know, whatever he needs to do.
Speaker 1: He gets underneath the football, completes the catch and finishes.
Speaker 1: So I think the Deshaan Jackson Hollywood Brown comparisons are
Speaker 1: just that they're almost clones. People on periscope want to
Speaker 1: know what we think about a mina who I keep
Speaker 1: asking about him to me everyby time I had asked
Speaker 1: me about how is he possibly fifty eight? And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: that's a little rich for me. Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 1: Yeah at all. I want to say, y'all pegged him
Speaker 1: kind of in the fourth round. Yeah, that's kind of
Speaker 1: where I have him. You know. So if you're thinking
Speaker 1: about a minute, if you're trying to think about a
Speaker 1: replacement or guys are gonna draft, I don't think a
Speaker 1: mena who at two or three is really a great option.
Speaker 1: I think if you're talking about it more in the
Speaker 1: fourth round, yeah, i'd give that a bet. I would
Speaker 1: give that more credence. It's early in the process, so
Speaker 1: you know, we don't have a firm grasp on how
Speaker 1: the Cowboys feel about all that type of stuff, But
Speaker 1: I don't get the impression that they love him. In
Speaker 1: What position would he play here? I think he's a
Speaker 1: left defensive end myself. I know some teams are looking
Speaker 1: at him as a three as a three tech. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's just you know, I don't think he has
Speaker 1: a set position in the pros, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think he's a solid roll guy, but I don't
Speaker 1: think he's a three down starter. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: going to give him much passionish value. Love the length,
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's things that coming tape. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: but you know we're talking. We're talking about yeah, fourth
Speaker 1: round or not a second round? Right there you go.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the question of periscope. By the way, I
Speaker 1: appreciate that Dane already. Dane just gave this away with
Speaker 1: his most recent monch. But that's okay, because Sean wants
Speaker 1: to know. Can each of you tell us who your
Speaker 1: guy would be at fifty eight right now? Just give
Speaker 1: me a guy. Don't think too hard. You're going Kaylen
Speaker 1: Saunders Dane is Yeah for Kylen Saunders. N we're now Reren,
Speaker 1: Yeah Ren? Okay, O're a pass rusher. Well, I think
Speaker 1: I think there's a better shot of me having a
Speaker 1: better defensive tackle there at fifty eighth than a than
Speaker 1: than a pass rusher. Let's say DeAndre Walker. Okay, let
Speaker 1: me ask you this, Okay, call your maybe how close
Speaker 1: is that going to be? The TCU N Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry about that. Day's Did his combine change your opinion
Speaker 1: at all? I love his tape, I agree, but I'm
Speaker 1: asking did his combine worry you at all because his
Speaker 1: three colne was really really bad? Does that concern you
Speaker 1: at all? Does that you know you're just trusting the
Speaker 1: tape and trusting the tape there? Okay, you know I
Speaker 1: love the guys like Walker Georgia. I think, is I
Speaker 1: wish Ferguson. There's no way Ferguson makes it to me
Speaker 1: Louisiana Tech by the way, to Ferguson make it to
Speaker 1: me at fifty eight, that would be pretty surprising. Can
Speaker 1: I still get Okay? I think that there's gonna be
Speaker 1: better defensive tackles. Then there you know what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: with Tillary. The scouts hate him, don't they? Something's wrong
Speaker 1: with him? When you say when you say Hillary, everybody
Speaker 1: kind of goes uh. He posted ah, he posted a
Speaker 1: photo coming off his shoulder curtainery. He does not look
Speaker 1: like a like. He looks light. He looks like an
Speaker 1: offensive tack that much like. He does not And that's
Speaker 1: what he was in height or when he went to
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Does not have a ton of bulk. No,
Speaker 1: he doesn't. I don't know. Hillary is a guy that again,
Speaker 1: all it takes is one team to gamble on the talent.
Speaker 1: But yeah, teams, there's a lot of teams. You just
Speaker 1: don't let me ask you this, y'all shout about that.
Speaker 1: Would you take? Okay, if you think about wide receivers,
Speaker 1: which those wide receivers would you take at fifty eight?
Speaker 1: If you had to have been saying devo for months?
Speaker 1: Is Samuel too rich? I cant him in the third?
Speaker 1: You're basically in the third. You're five picks away from
Speaker 1: the third. You're not wrong, You're not wrong, which, well, okay, Dan,
Speaker 1: you think about that, which you've mocked him here before.
Speaker 1: Do you still you know, a month and a half later,
Speaker 1: do you still feel okay about Jonathan Abram at fifty eight? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think John than Abram go in the first I
Speaker 1: would yeah, yeah, I would take him. I might love
Speaker 1: John then Abram. You don't want to buy into the
Speaker 1: Danes talking about how mature he is and all that,
Speaker 1: married as a kid. Yeah he is. You don't want
Speaker 1: to You don't want to buy into the smoke screens completely.
Speaker 1: But my confidence that the Cowboys are going to invest
Speaker 1: in safety and free agency is at an all time low. Oh,
Speaker 1: there's no question. So Abram can play in the box
Speaker 1: and let Xavier Woods play free and let's go. I
Speaker 1: love the competitive nat. Just throw on the watch the
Speaker 1: egg bowl, you know, throw on the tape. How close
Speaker 1: do you have him in Rap Rap Washington? Sorry, I
Speaker 1: have well, I have an adderly one like top free
Speaker 1: safety and then RAP two and then Abram. I think
Speaker 1: both those guys are they're they're fairly close. I like
Speaker 1: Rap a lot. I do too. Both those guys are
Speaker 1: top fifty. If you gave me a choice between Rap
Speaker 1: and Abraham taking Rap, how how similar are they? Rap
Speaker 1: is the better athlete, a much better athlete, and he's
Speaker 1: just he's so dang smart. But Abram is a wood layer.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's what I want. He especially,
Speaker 1: I mean, Woods can play free safety, so I want
Speaker 1: sure that guy. That's I mean. I think that Rap
Speaker 1: can do that too, just not on the same level.
Speaker 1: I think he's where he gets the edge is his
Speaker 1: instincts and his ability to cover ground. I mean, he
Speaker 1: could do just a little bit of everything. He's really
Speaker 1: good in like every area, just not great in any area.
Speaker 1: So you know there's value in that. Um With Abram,
Speaker 1: you do worry about him and holding him in coverage,
Speaker 1: you know, can he play man to man It gets
Speaker 1: a tight end. Yeah, when he's coming downhill, when he's
Speaker 1: blitz and stuff like that. Yeah, I mean watching on
Speaker 1: special teams. I mean he's a headhunter. He takes guys
Speaker 1: and decletes them. So I love the energy, love the competitiveness. Um,
Speaker 1: bring him on. Are you talking about rap I'm talking
Speaker 1: about I'll fight for rap here. Yeah, No, exactly. I
Speaker 1: mean this guy. This guy plays in coverage, he plays
Speaker 1: all over the formation. He could time blitzes. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not afraid to stick his nose in
Speaker 1: the action. He's a form tackler. I mean reacts quick.
Speaker 1: I mean these are all notes I'm saying angles to
Speaker 1: the football. He doesn't miss tackle. This guy's a tough player.
Speaker 1: He is. I mean that's I mean, he plays in
Speaker 1: your line. That kind of talks to what you're asking about, Dave.
Speaker 1: If you could play woods the back, let's play wrap
Speaker 1: up front. I mean I played wrap up front. That's
Speaker 1: sounds like a really kind of cool deal, regardless of
Speaker 1: who it is. Like, that's what I would think that
Speaker 1: they would do with any safety that they draft. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you think about all the secondary guys that Washington
Speaker 1: has pumped out Jimmy Lake. Their defensive coordinator said, this
Speaker 1: guy's the smartest guy I ever coached. I like it, Dave.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to quit there because I have yet time. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta get We got into some because I gotta
Speaker 1: trade a guy. Okay, when we come back, Broadest is
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and trade a football player today. But
Speaker 1: you got what what are you thinking? Brian? I wonder
Speaker 1: who might you possibly be trying to get rid of? Well, again,
Speaker 1: we're trying to do some We're all about investigating educate here.
Speaker 1: So again I need to look at all possibilities. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at the possibility that I cannot sign the Marcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence to a long term extension. Okay, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: forty four days now until the NFL Draft. Can't do
Speaker 1: it or don't want to do it. I can't. I'm
Speaker 1: having trouble getting it done. But I'm running out of days. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and take these forty four days and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and sign him. But we need to
Speaker 1: come up with a plan in case we can't sign him,
Speaker 1: in case it just turns into something that you know what,
Speaker 1: it is not going to get done. We're too far apart. Again,
Speaker 1: this is all about radio and stuff like that. These
Speaker 1: guys are working hard every day. I'm sure both sides
Speaker 1: are doing the best it can. But for our little
Speaker 1: group here, we're in a little bit of a bind
Speaker 1: and I need to figure it out. Is it would
Speaker 1: be worth our trouble to try and trade this guy?
Speaker 1: Can't we can, Dane, as you as my director or
Speaker 1: player personnel. Can I Can you find me a guy?
Speaker 1: You know? Can you find me a guy, Dave, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna need you to help me make this trade, though,
Speaker 1: I'll do my best. I'm gonna under protest. Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go to a team that has one hundred and
Speaker 1: eight million dollars and actually a hundred and six million
Speaker 1: dollars in cap space right now, Dane, you know the
Speaker 1: general manager very very well, and mister Ballot mister ball Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so with that being said, Indianapolis currently holds the
Speaker 1: twenty sixth pick in this draft. They currently also hold
Speaker 1: pick thirty four and pick fifty nine in the second round. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of thinking this might be a possibility for
Speaker 1: me to trade him to a team that a has
Speaker 1: the cap space and be he has picks that I
Speaker 1: might like to partake in. I'd love to have number
Speaker 1: twenty six. I'd really love to have number thirty four.
Speaker 1: I would really like to have number fifty nine. To
Speaker 1: be honest, too, I don't think I could get all three.
Speaker 1: But we need to make a determination. Do we take
Speaker 1: twenty six and fifty nine and just go with it,
Speaker 1: or do we take twenty six and try and get
Speaker 1: thirty four out of these guys? Or do we just
Speaker 1: look at thirty four and fifty nine. There's also there's
Speaker 1: something else you want to consider too, And you know
Speaker 1: we talked about this before the show. Are you going
Speaker 1: up like, are you making this deal with the It's
Speaker 1: not like you've got a draft a defensive end to
Speaker 1: replace tank because you lose arguably your best player, certainly
Speaker 1: one of your best three players, and you're basically out
Speaker 1: of pass rushers. If you do this, are you doing
Speaker 1: the trade simply to have a haul of picks to
Speaker 1: replenish your team, or are you doing it with the
Speaker 1: notion like, if we're getting rid of this guy, we
Speaker 1: have to draft another. We're gonna try and parlay this.
Speaker 1: And I know people on periscope are saying, why not
Speaker 1: go the Jets. I'm trying to send him to a
Speaker 1: place where I know the defensive coordinator knows the player well.
Speaker 1: Plus you're to facilitate the trade. I'm trying to make
Speaker 1: this as easy although as possible. The Jets are going
Speaker 1: to be running a four or three under Greg Williams.
Speaker 1: That's right. It's worth keeping in mind. It is worth
Speaker 1: keeping and for this sake, for this exercise, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: look at I'm gonna look at it. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the Colts just because the familiarity with the player, with
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator exactly Mattie Eberflows is a great point.
Speaker 1: Also because you have a team with a lot of
Speaker 1: cap room, right, you have a team with a general
Speaker 1: manager who is not afraid to think outside the box.
Speaker 1: That's exactly not afraid to take chances. That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: And you have a team with the Colts that has
Speaker 1: multiple picks in the first two rounds. That's success. The
Speaker 1: Jets don't have. I say, yeah, the Jets for the
Speaker 1: same car. Second round pick the Jets. The Jets pick
Speaker 1: at three, they don't pick again until sixty eight, which
Speaker 1: is in the third round, and then ninety three. So
Speaker 1: thank you, I appreciate you. On periscope of jetting value
Speaker 1: from the cults as far higher. I picked the team
Speaker 1: and I thought that would be the easiest to try
Speaker 1: and facilitation it is realistic, Okay, Dave. Yeah, Colts want
Speaker 1: to offer me twenty six and fifty nine, do I
Speaker 1: need to fight for that thirty four? Because if I
Speaker 1: get twenty six and fifty nine, I'm looking at I'm
Speaker 1: looking about at one hundred and I'm looking at ten
Speaker 1: ten on my numbers, which would put me right around
Speaker 1: in the fifteenth pick of the each draft. Fortunately for us,
Speaker 1: this just happened. Yeah, this, I mean this trade, A
Speaker 1: very similar trade just happened when Oakland sent Khalil Mack
Speaker 1: to Chicago. Yeah, Oakland got back. They got back two firsts,
Speaker 1: which isn't very nice, and I mean there were some
Speaker 1: there's a third involved in a sixth. But the meat,
Speaker 1: the meat of this thing was that Oakland sent this
Speaker 1: year's first and next year's first to the Bears, and
Speaker 1: the Bears sent back next year's second. Right, So in
Speaker 1: it's I mean, so really we'll see how the picks
Speaker 1: line up. But Oakland, they gave up two first and
Speaker 1: they get back a second, So I think that mitigates
Speaker 1: it a lot. So basically, the point I'm trying to
Speaker 1: make is I think it's unrealistic with that, with that
Speaker 1: format in mind, I think it's unrealistic that you could
Speaker 1: expect to get twenty six and thirty four for anybody,
Speaker 1: because I think the world of DeMarcus Lawrence, I think
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack's a little bit better of a player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so if you can't get twenty six and thirty four
Speaker 1: for Mac, it's unrealistic for me to think you could
Speaker 1: get that for tank Am I crazy. And to get
Speaker 1: value is all only what a team's willing to pay. True,
Speaker 1: So you know, it doesn't matter. If you want to
Speaker 1: use the Mac deal as a kind of a starting point,
Speaker 1: that's great, but it doesn't really matter, right, It's not
Speaker 1: like you're locked into that because that's the way that
Speaker 1: trade went. And there might be one team that's really
Speaker 1: seriously considering a trade, So you have to kind of
Speaker 1: work around their parameters. And I think you have to
Speaker 1: try to get a third pick, maybe it's a third
Speaker 1: rounder next year. Yeah, you know, I think you have
Speaker 1: to try and get that third pick. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna get twenty six and thirty four,
Speaker 1: if it's gonna be twenty six to fifty nine. Then
Speaker 1: you try to get that third pick. I will, Okay,
Speaker 1: what about this? So would you rather let's say you
Speaker 1: can get twenty six and fifty nine, did you rather
Speaker 1: send Tank to Indy for twenty six and fifty nine
Speaker 1: or would you rather go after that third pick? But
Speaker 1: you have to chip in a pick as well, whether
Speaker 1: it's this year or next year, like let's say to
Speaker 1: the Jets or to the Colts. So you get twenty
Speaker 1: six fifty nine and twenty six fifty nine and a fourth,
Speaker 1: but then you send Tank and next year's third. I mean,
Speaker 1: does that mean I think I'd rather just have the
Speaker 1: two picks and send the player. I would rather I would?
Speaker 1: I think I would rather have the two picks and
Speaker 1: the players. Because if you, if you can, okay, say
Speaker 1: they're not interested in giving us thirty four, you know that.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna try, yeah, But say they come
Speaker 1: back with fifty nine, so we need to parlay. Then
Speaker 1: we could parlay twenty six fifty eight our own and
Speaker 1: fifty nine, and that will give us thirteen. That will
Speaker 1: give us thirteen thirty on the points, thirteen thirty on
Speaker 1: the on the chart, get you the top ten at ten? Ten?
Speaker 1: This is okay, This is Brian's real genius slash madness
Speaker 1: is He's trying to do this deal and then quickly
Speaker 1: turn around and turn that into a deal to get
Speaker 1: into the top ten. I am, I'm trying. I'm trying that.
Speaker 1: I'm trying like hell, though, I'm trying to try like
Speaker 1: hell if I don't care if now my my again,
Speaker 1: I have to be aggressive here to try and make
Speaker 1: this because all right, Dane, I'm trusting you now because
Speaker 1: you're my director. Can I get and you've always told
Speaker 1: me this, and you're absolutely right. I'm not trading for
Speaker 1: a position. I'm trading for a player at ten. If
Speaker 1: I could pull this trade off, if I could pull
Speaker 1: this trade off at ten, can I get a player
Speaker 1: that can help me at defensive end this year? I
Speaker 1: think that you can probably get Brian Burns, who is
Speaker 1: a flexible, bendy ed rusher, a lot of athleticism. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have some hiccups versus the run Florida State. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm giving up a guy. I'm giving up a guy
Speaker 1: that can play the run. Yeah, And I'm giving up
Speaker 1: a guy that could play that it can rush the
Speaker 1: pair giving up a guy that can do everything. If
Speaker 1: you're trading up to number ten, I think the two
Speaker 1: pass rushers you're looking at are Burns and Cleveland Farrell
Speaker 1: from Clumbs. Okay, but both has clearly gone. Yes, Gary
Speaker 1: is clearly gone, and then most likely and then Sweat
Speaker 1: as well. Right and okay, So you're trading up for
Speaker 1: a defensive end. That's it can't no other position, right,
Speaker 1: That's and that's kind of my That's why I said
Speaker 1: that is Obviously trading to Marcus Lawrence screws you in
Speaker 1: terms of being able to rush. That's that's what I'm john.
Speaker 1: John Gruden can probably tell you all about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times he said after losses
Speaker 1: last year, like we just can't get to the court.
Speaker 1: I wonder why I want to feel good for all
Speaker 1: my effort, but I'm trying to do here. I think
Speaker 1: you're probably screwing yourself if you do this and like
Speaker 1: locking yourself into trying to immediately replace him. Obviously that's
Speaker 1: what you would prefer, but how often does a draft
Speaker 1: board really fall that way? Are you saying? Then, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna try, and if you're
Speaker 1: gonna do this, you better be willing to just make
Speaker 1: the most of what you get out of it instead
Speaker 1: of just saying Montez sweater bust. Because if that doesn't
Speaker 1: work out, then you're up ass creek. Okay, So with
Speaker 1: not okay, thinking of that, not replace them? Then I
Speaker 1: go for the tight end. I trade for Hackinson to
Speaker 1: see my guy, I go in a different direction. Okay,
Speaker 1: who do you got? I think that this team would
Speaker 1: love to add at Oliver to the defensive line. Oh
Speaker 1: I think you would be the perfect Rod Marinelli. Okay,
Speaker 1: technique that put a smile on my face. There to
Speaker 1: get your interior pressure, I mean you're losing outside pressure
Speaker 1: on the edges. Okay, at ten, I can get him,
Speaker 1: for sure, right, not for sure, but probably probably more
Speaker 1: likely than what if? What if I can only what
Speaker 1: if I can only get to fourteen? What if I
Speaker 1: can't get if I can't pull this thing together? I
Speaker 1: can we get to fourteen? I can only take I
Speaker 1: can only take my I've had Oliver going fourteen right
Speaker 1: now to the Falcons at number fourteen. So if you've
Speaker 1: got twenty six thirty four and fifty eight all. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry if you've got twenty six, fifty eight and fifty
Speaker 1: nine all at your disposal, Yeah, you ought to be
Speaker 1: able to get up there if you're if you're determined,
Speaker 1: i'd think so, if you're determined enough, do you know why?
Speaker 1: Why am I? Why are you scared? Now? Not? Not
Speaker 1: at all? Okay, not at all. I'm intrigued by what
Speaker 1: he just said. I mean, I still rather have Tank,
Speaker 1: but I whether pass a little bit. Maybe I was
Speaker 1: told this, but I think this team really leaks at
Speaker 1: Oliver and if they have a chance to get him.
Speaker 1: This team hasn't had a true badass undertackle in the
Speaker 1: entire time that Rod Marine Orphan, the coach. It's about
Speaker 1: the orphans. They were optimistic about Henry Melton, that didn't
Speaker 1: really work out. MALIEK. Collins had a pretty nice rookie
Speaker 1: season doing it. Uh, but they haven't had that guy,
Speaker 1: yeah the whole time he's been here. So that is uh, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's interesting and okay, but you're still as fun as
Speaker 1: that sounds, You're still putting him on a line that
Speaker 1: no longer has the mark. Your no question currently does
Speaker 1: not have Randy Gregor. You're gonna you're to do some patchwork. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your ends are gonna be Dorance Armstrong and Crawford Crawford. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe you signed Dion Jordans, Maybe you sign
Speaker 1: you know, maybe can you can you get Dante Fowler
Speaker 1: for That's what I'm saying. Can you get Dante Fowler
Speaker 1: for a year? Oh so so so yeah, that made me.
Speaker 1: That made me like, Okay, So when when Brian pitched
Speaker 1: this segment, I was like, shut up, we're not I
Speaker 1: don't want to do this. Yeah. No, that was good.
Speaker 1: I like that. So so the likelihood, the likelihood what
Speaker 1: you just told me is my director is that, hey boss,
Speaker 1: we can go get a defensive tackle. I can't assure
Speaker 1: you the defensive end end. That's fair. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: rather have Oliver than any of the two defensive ends
Speaker 1: you talked to when you said birds. That's well, that's
Speaker 1: and that's why again, that's why you can't pigeonhole yourself
Speaker 1: into that, because basically, if we're doing that deal for
Speaker 1: an end and it's anybody but Bosa or Sweat, I
Speaker 1: don't want to do it. And that seems really unlikely.
Speaker 1: But I like that honestly, even with even with Jason Witten.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be as excited, but like I mean, I
Speaker 1: could do Hockinson too. I could do that for Hockinson.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be as excited about it, but it would
Speaker 1: make sense. Yeah, who who would Who would help us more? Oh?
Speaker 1: Right now? The Hawkerson or Oliver, especially if you don't
Speaker 1: have a freaking all pro left end. Yeah, you'd have
Speaker 1: to say Oliver in terms of this year at least
Speaker 1: so so Cowboy fans. If you're looking at this, it
Speaker 1: shouldn't be for the defensive end like I was trying
Speaker 1: to get. It should be for the defensive tackle. Okay,
Speaker 1: or Tidy? Get an impact player. You're going to get
Speaker 1: a player. Yes, it's at Oliver who you're going to get.
Speaker 1: That's a bebbe on the table. Yeah. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this. You love getting rid of our picks. You
Speaker 1: don't want us to have picks. Me and Dane like
Speaker 1: having picks. Would you do this deal and more than
Speaker 1: likely stand pat and have twenty six, fifty eight and
Speaker 1: fifty nine to just get three chances to you know,
Speaker 1: hit a home run. You're just about you're getting rid
Speaker 1: of tank. You're not worrying in the short term, you know, Okay,
Speaker 1: you get a journey. Let's say, could you get you
Speaker 1: could get maybe IRV Smith with that twenty six? Couldn't you?
Speaker 1: Or could you get fanned? Could you get? How close
Speaker 1: is that going to be? Can we move up? When it?
Speaker 1: Can we move up? But we got a compensed story? Four?
Speaker 1: What about Earth? Yeah, IRV, I think we'll be there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you could get Earth. Okay, so you could theoretically,
Speaker 1: well all right, I don't want to throw out specific names,
Speaker 1: but let's just okay, you get rid of to Marcus Lawrence. Yeah. Again,
Speaker 1: purely this is spitballing. You sighed Vinny Curry to like
Speaker 1: an affordable deal to come on and play it for you.
Speaker 1: Then you add IRV Smith, Jonathan Abram and uh your
Speaker 1: boy Kaylen Saunders. So you hit three big positions of
Speaker 1: need with three picks, and your defensive in spot's definitely
Speaker 1: not as good, but at least you don't have a
Speaker 1: pissed off all pro who's not at OTAs. So who
Speaker 1: would you rather have? IRV Smith, Jonathan Abrahm, Kaitlyn Saunders
Speaker 1: or at Oliver. Uh? That's tough. That is that's really tough.
Speaker 1: Is you know what you know what I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: Give me the three players. WHOA, that's not that's not
Speaker 1: what I expect. Give me the three players. Give me
Speaker 1: the three I think I give me them. Give me
Speaker 1: more chances, because like, even as good as the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are drafting, they're probably not going to be provo all.
Speaker 1: They're not all three gonna be provole. Give me. I'm okay,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with Smith. I'm trusting you on on a
Speaker 1: Abram because I've seen the work of him. Saunders, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know you hit your three better, but you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you hit him, you hit all three. You made it.
Speaker 1: You You took an all pro, a top probably a
Speaker 1: top five defensive player in this league. Would you say,
Speaker 1: top ten at least pass top fifteen, yeah, top yeah,
Speaker 1: top five pass rush for three players that you know,
Speaker 1: and the financial flexibility to go sign your other players. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh good point. All right, Well, with all that in mine,
Speaker 1: would you rather have all that or DeMarcus Lawrence? Give
Speaker 1: me Lawrence. I'm not I'm gonna figure out a way
Speaker 1: to keep my on my team. I think I think
Speaker 1: I agree. Okay, So so when we get close to
Speaker 1: actual draft day and again we're gonna we're gonna do
Speaker 1: our best to keep lawns. To reiterate, to reiterate my
Speaker 1: point is. I mean, that's all great, but this team's
Speaker 1: trying to take the next step, or that's what they
Speaker 1: tell us, and you're not doing that by shipping DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: You're just not not in the short term. All right, guys,
Speaker 1: that's fun, good idea. Appreciate you guys to stuff. That's
Speaker 1: a draft show for another week. We'll be back next week.
Speaker 1: We continue to investigate and educate for my buddies. Dave Burglar,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, Kate Garsign, Brian brought us. We'll see you
Speaker 1: next week with more as we get closer to our
Speaker 1: date in Tennessee. You guys, take care