WEBVTT - Draft Show: Combine Winners & Losers; D-Law's Trade Value 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:07.360 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys, 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:11.400 I'm there war room for incenter news and draft analysis 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.840 from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:20.319 Star in Frisco, Dallas Cowboys Select Late and now your 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:25.560 hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well, 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.840 there's a draft show back in the SWBC Mortgage studios 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.680 here at the Star in Frisco. After a very successful 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:37.400 combine in Indianapolis, we're all back here to talk about 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:39.760 it as the big Boys guy, says Brian brought us 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:45.760 here with David Hellman, Dane Brugler, Kent Garrison, executive producing guys. 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.400 Another combine in the books. Time for the Draft show 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:51.680 to put a bow on it. I also want to 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:55.600 tease something else. You need a little Twitter on the twenty, sure, 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.160 because I always want to do that, definitely, But I'm 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.040 also going to ask you, guys, how we're gonna trade 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:05.720 an impact player in the National Football League. We're gonna 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.240 go through that and impact player in the National Football 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.360 League who could that be? Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:14.440 try and talk about the pros and cons of maybe 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:18.120 trying to move a guy. I don't know. I don't know, 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:20.880 Like I don't go back and don't talk much about it, Dave, 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:22.399 No, No No, I just I don't go back through the 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:24.600 archives and listen the way Brian does. Like Brian goes 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.280 back and re listens to all of our shows. Every show. Um, 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.039 I would bet my life that we have a show 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:34.000 like this every every single year where Brian's like, let's 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.720 do something crazy. Yeah. Yeah, anyway, Well, I've got my 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:38.560 guys in the room and we're gonna figure this thing out. 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:40.600 We'll figure it out. We're gonna figure it out. I've 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.840 got I've got some pros, I've got some cons. But 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:45.880 we're gonna we're gonna see if it's worth it to 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.480 you out there to move a particular player. With that 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:51.520 being said, though, I do want to put a bow 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.080 on this combine Dane Brugler, and I want to start 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:58.160 with you because you are on this from the word go. 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.240 Now you've done a great job of always covering the combine. 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.840 I appreciate your efforts, the talents, the ability you have. 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:09.720 So when you tell me combine winners and combined losers, 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.080 I pay attention. And that's a guy, it's a twenty 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:17.320 seven year veteran in the National Football League. So with that, 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.760 tell me some guys that caught your eye that you 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.040 you know, you study the tape, you understand this league. 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.040 Who are some guys that helped themselves in this combine? 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:32.160 And what I like to do is have three categories 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:36.160 leaving and combine winners, losers, and shoot, I need to 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.880 go back to the tape. Yeah, and there were plenty 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.480 of guys in each category this year. The winners, I 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:46.919 think we start with Montest Sweat, who okay, tape check 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.760 production only Josh Allen has more sacks the last two 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:56.280 years from Kentucky than Montest Sweat. So production, check, testing, 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.680 double check, highlight bold. I mean, he blew up the 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:02.480 combine with what he did four four one and the 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.840 forty yard dash, and look, the forty is great. I 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.560 care about the ten yards split, the three cone and 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:12.600 that's where he blew it up. In the ten yards split. 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:17.040 That's comparable to Antonio Brown, Jalen Ramsey. Uh, the seven 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.760 flat and the three cones a great time. So Montes 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:23.200 Sweat went from a mid first round pick too. I'd 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:24.920 be shocked if he gets out of the top eight picks. 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.720 So all of a sudden, now in mock drafts, David Hellman, Yeah, 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.240 this name is gonna be pushed up the board, isn't it. Well, 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.120 he already got that push at the Senior Bowl, which 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.040 but you know, we've proud of him for going to 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.360 do with the Senior Bowl stuff too. Yeah. Absolutely, he's 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.200 been a good been a good rise for him. He's 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.400 killing this whole thing. And there's always a guy that 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.120 succeeds at the Senior Bowl who kind of falls back 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.240 down to where he should be. Right, this is not 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.560 that guy. Yeah, he's uh, he's yeah, I mean and yeah, 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.800 I mean I think we've known, you know, since January 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:54.600 that he would be a first round pick. I wasn't 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.640 convinced he would be a top ten pick. But sure 0:03:57.640 --> 0:03:59.520 as hell, looks like we're not falling in love with 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.240 a guy just because he's worked out. Well, the tape 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.640 is good for this guy, right, What did Dan just say? Yeah? No, absolutely, no, 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:07.720 I'm I didn't mean to come out you No, No, 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:09.480 that's the draft show. That's what you do, you come 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:13.800 after you. I'm gearing up for our conversation about to 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:17.560 be intact. But back in December, I did a top 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.240 fifty board. I did a preseason board and then I 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:22.680 updated it in December. Monthest what was top ten on 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.080 that board. So there you go. Not a big surprise 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:27.080 that he's been but he did make himself some money, 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.200 so he qualifies as a winner. How do you think 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.320 he did on the interviews? Well, and that is a 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:33.640 big question for him because he spent he spent two 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:36.159 years at Michigan State right in the doghouse, right, he 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.840 was a tight end back then he was young. I 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.080 heard positive things in the Senior Bowl how he did, 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:44.520 and then I did not hear anything specifically about the combine. 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.880 But I think we're trending away from that discussion when 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:50.520 it comes to Montest Sweat. So no, Charlie Castley, I'm 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.880 gonna scar trying to say my job now, maybe with 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:57.440 a different pass rusher, but not with monthest Sweat. I think, okay, 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.960 there all right, A couple of winners go to the 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:05.200 greatest rivalry in sports, Michigan. Ohiuse State from Michigan. I 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.920 think Rashaun Garry had all the buzz in terms of 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:11.880 the Michigan defenders, but it was David Long the corner 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:16.000 who really impressed. Four four five and the forty solid time, 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:20.159 the three cone six four five, that's a silly time 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.119 going back to the last two decades, it's the fourth 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:27.520 best ever at any position, So that's pretty good. And 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:29.880 this is a guy who he did well in the 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:34.760 positional stuffs. His hips, his movements and reverse looked really smooth. 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.280 So I think David Long helped himself. He's a guy 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:39.240 on tape who doesn't have a lot of action. Yeah, 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.560 plays physical, sometimes too physical, a lot of man coverage 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.640 in a Don Brown defense. But I thought, you know, 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:47.440 teams are question okay because he played a lot of 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:49.839 outside right and he moving in nickel, hold up in space. 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.240 I think he answered those concerns with how he worked out. 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:54.799 Boy a good looking group of guys on David Hillman. 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.320 You see how tall all those cats were, Yeah, all 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.719 moving around out there. Yeah. Well, And going back to 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:03.760 the rivalry Michigan Ohio State, Paris Campbell for Campbell, and 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.080 it really comes down and not just Paris Campbell, the 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.279 all three Ohio state receivers were blazing in the forty 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.480 Johnny Dixon was the four fors, Terry McLaurin was four 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.040 three five, and then Paris mccampbell four three one. And 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:18.320 the big thing with Campbell is he looked really good 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.200 in the downfield routes he did, drill he did and 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:24.320 everything you watched it Ohio State generally underneath, horizontal he 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:26.200 was in. He was in that Percy Harvin roule that 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:30.080 each back he was a lot of underneath stuff, a 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:31.680 lot of comebacks, a lot of cross there's a lot 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:35.320 of jet sweeps, bubbles, tunnel screens, those kinds of things. 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.920 So to see him down the field tracking the football, uh, 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:42.040 looked really smooth in his routes. That's a big step 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.279 for him. I'm working on a mock draft right now. 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.680 It'll be out on Monday, Paris. Campbell is going to 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.440 be in that first round, which, okay, I'm glad I've 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.080 been out of pet and we didn't have many first 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.120 round receivers. Now we're talking about it at all. Where 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.279 we've been debating this whole time. Mock draft though, Right, 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.120 how do you feel about these guys? Yeah? No, but 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.680 in back in Indie I said I didn't feel like 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:04.279 a lot of people were talking about this guy, right, Yeah, yeah, 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:07.880 I didn't think first round though, Like that's when you're 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.360 that very interesting to hear. Yeah, and you're he's your 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.120 six foot you're over two hundred pounds. I good length here, 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.120 this type caliber of athlete because he was forty in 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.880 the ver really good times across the board. And a 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:20.440 big thing for him was he came back for a 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:24.200 senior year at Ohio State and really improved catching the football. Yeah, 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.800 ninety receptions, we see he set the Ohio State record 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.120 single season record when it was only the fifth receiver 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:30.920 at Ohio State history to go over a thousand yards 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:34.600 in a year in a season. But more but productive 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:37.360 catching the football just as a finisher. Uh, you know, 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:39.480 he really improved his catch rate. Now, a big part 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.080 of that is a lot of easy throws one, Yeah, 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.040 the quarterback did the heck with job getting to the ball. 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:47.400 That's also a big factor. Sure, so you know he's 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:50.040 gonna have some drops, but he improved his drop rate 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.800 tremendously from his junior year to his senior year. Everything 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.680 you're saying about this guy is why he would interest 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.800 me for the Cowboys because he could fill all the 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.040 roles that they are potentially losing. So it's a bummer 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.000 to hear you boost his draft stock. Are people looking 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.520 at him. We talk about with Thomas from the Saints. 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.200 Are people looking at these Ohio State receivers and say, no, 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.480 who's the next guy? Well? I think that you know 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.800 that asking probably too much there, different style of player, 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:20.000 different style. Yeah, but but Ohio State receiver? No, Well, 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.640 I mean he's like that's not maybe not maybe, I 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.520 mean not the most I know Thomas came on. I 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.640 feel like Thomas came on late. He did he see 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.560 his best year he had like eight hundred yards receiving. 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.160 So what Ohio State is one of those programs where 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.560 like they're just churning out such a silly amount of 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:41.040 talent that like their their college production isn't necessarily in 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.000 you know, indicative of anything. It just means they couldn't 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.160 beat out the other five star on the field. And 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.600 it's funny. It's a good point teaser for the mock 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.360 draft on Monday. I have him going to the Raiders 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:57.320 at twenty seven, so we can compare them right there, Cooper, Yeah, 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:59.840 going forward to how those two work out, because yeah, 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.400 fast we were we had Kyle Martin on from the Raiders. 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.520 Oh yeah, how he did a good job. He did 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:06.719 a nice job. You'd appreciate that because we had him 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:08.520 on him talking about the Raiders and you know what 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:11.000 they're picking, and he was you know, he was. We 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.480 were all, you know, Dane. The thing that Dane wanted 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:15.800 to see was them to draft a receiver at twenty 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.840 seven so he can compare. Sure, what you have with 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:22.320 Amari Cooper with with that'd be fun a receiver that 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:26.160 they have. Okay, you're continued winners here. If we're sticking 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.160 with the receivers, we have to see Miles Boykin. Uh. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:30.920 And now I think that was a shock to me. 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:34.040 He always also qualifies for they go back to the tape. Yeah, 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.160 he gets in two categories. You're right. So for a 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.480 guy that's six four two twenty yeah, runs a four 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:42.720 four two. Uh, jumps were outstanding, the three Colne was outsanding. 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.559 Short line too. He plays athletic, Yeah, but he doesn't 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.520 play to that speed. That's what it's funny because he doesn't. 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.000 He doesn't run with his pads like that. Right. He's 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.960 a fast guy, right, and he'll he'll make some impressive 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.520 catches where he's making you know, his body control, his 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.840 adjustments to the football. You know, you can tell he's athletic. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.000 On tape. Quarterback situation proved there too as well, but 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:08.000 Notre Dame. That's true. It didn't have great production led 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:10.400 the team in receiving, but Miles boy Can definitely a 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:12.240 player to go back to the tape, but he helped himself. 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.439 He turned some heads with how he performed. Okay, we 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.280 add of winners. Are we still? I think two guys 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.079 in the offensive line Andre Dillard from Washington State. I 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:23.720 think Andre Dillard and we talked about this going back 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:25.719 to the Senior Bowl. How you know he was the 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:29.200 top senior offensive lineman. But okay, where exactly is his value? 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.199 Is he a first round high first round picks, a 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.240 late first round pick, early second round pick? Performed pretty 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:35.880 well at the Senior Bowl. Then he goes to the 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:39.240 combine and at three hundred and fifteen pounds and again 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:40.719 this is the one workout that I got to see 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:42.960 him person, right, and yeah, you were in the stadium 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.160 that day. He just he looks he moved differently everybody 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.160 else on the on the on the field. Yeah, he David, 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.240 He's never on the ground. I mean, I ask you 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.000 a guy, when you when you watch when you watch, yeah, 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.160 when you watch him mean the body, control of the balance, 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.720 the footwork. He doesn't play stressed at all. It reminds 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:01.480 me a lot of back into the thirteen. I remember 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:05.280 being on in the stands watching Luke Jokel. Was talked 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:06.920 about it at the top pick that year. Yeah, and 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.439 then Eric Fisher and Luke Joker were going like back 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.720 to back, back to back. Yeah. I remember leaving Lucas 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.959 Oil Stadium that day thinking, and I tweeted it that day, 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.560 Eric Fisher's going number one, Like he's a much better athlete, 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.199 much better mover than Luke Jokel. And that's how it 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.640 turned out happening. Andre Dillard I left. When I left 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:26.480 Lucas Oil Stadium, I came to you guys and said, 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.840 this guy's going to talk you definitely. You definitely did. 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:30.959 We talked about it one of those shows in Indie. 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:34.720 But what's interesting to me is, uh, you know, he's 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.719 coming out of Washington State, which you know, these the 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:42.000 Mike Leak Leak Mike Leach offense is like NFL types 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.400 are decrying that offense is like the death of good 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.760 offensive line play like that. You know, people credit those 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.719 college schemes for why it's so hard to find good 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.760 offensive line play in the NFL, where you're telling me 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.160 the best guy in this year's draft might be coming 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.679 out of a program, it makes it more difficult, no question. 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.599 Because in case, I talked to Jalen Jolks at the 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.880 Combine Oregon defense and I asked, okay, who was the 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:08.880 toughest offensive tackle you faced? And you know, he said 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:10.960 a few names and an insay Dillard. I said, okay, 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.040 well what about Dillard? And he said, well, it really 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.320 wasn't a challenge because the ball is up and gone 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:19.319 before I can't even you know, do anything. So and 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:21.760 the Pac twelve has a really cool award called the 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.480 Morris Trophy, which the offensive lineman the players vote on 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.040 who the best defensive lineman is in the conference, and 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.080 vice versa, defensive lineman vote on the best offensive lineman. 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:35.120 And Caleb McGarry won the award Washington offensive tackle over 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.160 Andre Dillard. And I think a big part of that 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.800 is you just you don't get really get a chance 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.000 to see Dillard show what he can do on a 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.880 consistent basis because the balls up and gone so quickly. Yeah, 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.679 how about the losers, you know, and and and you 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:50.400 know what I mean, they're working out and stuff like. 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.319 I mean losers kind of a strong strong word. But 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:55.360 the guys that you know that we're kind of looking 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:57.600 at that maybe didn't help themselves as much. I think 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.800 it starts with Chipolite, and that's who I was kind 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:02.320 of alluding to earlier by the pass rusher who didn't 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.720 help himself. First of all, he's weighed in sixteen pounds 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.320 heavier than he was listed at at Florida two hundred 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.880 and fifty eight pounds. The workouts he ran at four eight, 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:14.240 which is if you watch him on film, you see 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.520 a guy that's instant speed. He can bend, he can 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.319 get after the quarterback for eight. He doesn't see. He 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.520 doesn't play like that. He plays much faster, thirty two 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:26.000 inches in the vert and then you know he exited 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.680 with a hamstring injury. I put that hamstring in. Maybe 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.760 maybe a hurt, hurt pride a little bit, Maybe maybe 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.960 a text from an agent saying stop, get out of here, Yeah, 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.680 get out of here. I actually this though, I remember 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:45.760 sugs Arizona State Cults Ravens, possible Hall of Famer. Yeah, 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:49.200 but I'm saying, you know, four nine. Yeah, at Arizona State, 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.520 we kept trying to go and getting him faster. He 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.480 never could run fast than thirty eight year a dash. Yeah, yeah, 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:56.079 the thirty yard. I couldn't stand at thirty eight and 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.320 getting fast enough. But that's what I'm saying, though. It's 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:04.200 a guy that's super super talented, but maybe not going 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.160 to be able to run as well, more so than 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.360 just the testing is okay, well, why aren't you in 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:13.280 better shape? Why aren't you going back? It's not important 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:15.800 to you kind of a thing. There were character concerns, 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.720 and you know, I'm always hesitant to talk about character 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.360 stuff when I don't have a concrete example, like I 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.920 can't say this guy was arrested or this or that. 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.480 I don't have a concrete example. But at my report 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.120 on Jachi Polite I put in, their scouts are really 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.960 worried about his maturity and his character. And I received 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.000 a lot of feedbacks. And his teammates speak kylie of him. 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.240 He's never got any trouble. The coaches say good things 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.640 about him at Florida, Like, what is it? I can't 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:42.480 tell you. I just know I've been told by scouts 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.160 there's character concerns. Okay, we go to the combine and 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:50.800 I heard from multiple scouts which said train wreck temperamental. Yeah, 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.200 he did not perform well during the interview process at 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.280 the Combine, and it matches up with what I heard 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.640 all season long and again working on this first round. Mok, 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.680 he's not in there. Yeah, so he definitely And there's 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:03.160 a lot of people that had him going to Green 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.840 Bay at twelve, I believe was kind of even even 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.760 our colleague Kevin Turner was like, how do I get 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.920 this guy at twelve? You know, Packer fan himself, but well, 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.600 now that's you know, sitting here Paris Campbell. All of 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:16.920 a sudden, You're like, you're telling me, I can't hope 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.600 that he falls to the Cowboys. How far down does 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.920 this push Chai Polite? Good question, I don't know. And 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:24.840 all it takes his one team? You know, I could 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.160 see a team like Seattle taking him at twenty one. 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.520 About my baals, especially given the value of the positions, Yeah, 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.960 Seattle is a very good, good call for talented play. 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:37.400 You know this. Absolutely, they're gonna give you every Carroll 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.400 chance and so okay, they'll meet with Polite at the 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.280 let's say he improves his times at the pro Day, 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:44.520 they'll get him on the grass at Florida Ben Griffin 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.240 Hill Stadium whatever they call it Hill Griffin. You take 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.960 him to dinner, Yeah, okay, you take him to dinner. 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:52.280 Maybe he performs better in terms of his character, in 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.560 terms of the way he presents himself. All of a sudden, 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:56.760 you're feeling a little bit better. So he could still 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.000 go in the first because all it takes his one team. 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:03.760 But man, I don't know Seattle picks at twenty one 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.280 and see them trade down to like twenty six and 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.640 still draft him. Well, they are low one draft picks. 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:11.320 They went out of that pick, no question. And I 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.120 think they also haven't picked in their original slot in 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.360 like six years. Yeah, they just don't do that. They're 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.160 not fans of that. No one saw him taking a 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.640 shot penny in the first round last year, so Seattle 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:22.280 definitely that was a surprise. When we were all a 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.080 draft day when that was rolling on, we all like, 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.320 whoa what how about somebody else? You get Draymond Jones 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:31.400 from Ohio State. Now we watch him one tape. The 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:33.800 foundation of his game is quickness. It is it's the 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:38.640 ability to be slippery through gaps and create disruption in 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:42.880 the backfield. Two eighty one pounds and the testing times 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:45.760 were below average. So that was really surprising to see 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.440 for a former basketball player. A guy that flashes on tape, 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.520 you better have good testing times, right, and he didn't 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:54.520 have it. So Draymond Jones is gonna be a tough 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:58.520 one to figure out. Plays really tall he does. I struggles. Yeah, 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:00.400 when you watch him play, David, it's it's one of 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.920 those things where and the first thing he does is 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:04.480 just right up out of a stand, I mean just 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:08.320 straight up and then you're watching then. But I thought, 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:10.120 you know, when you when you talked about him, Dane, 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:11.560 I did kind of see a little bit of a 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.560 slippery player, right, you know. But but when you're right, 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:16.719 when you're when your guy that you're talking about as 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.200 an undertackle or three technique, you know, and you don't 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.840 you don't play with that you're testing numbers don't show 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.280 that has a weird number to see on a d Linemann. Yeah, 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.160 it's a strange. It is a very strange six that's 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.359 down all round at least. Yeah, well it's better than 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:33.359 any number they mean, it's like a number five ye 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.359 that I hate the single Well, look at look at 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:42.720 number two, right, number one. Who is that? Because he's yeah, 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.120 he's flashed. When you watch Ohio State tape. That number 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:48.280 two shows up a lot when we do our October episode. Yeah, 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:50.560 you know during the bye week and be talking about 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.280 Chase Young. Yeah, we'll see who goes higher, Nick Bosa 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:57.639 this year or Chase Young next year. Yeah, so anybody 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:58.840 else you got on there? I mean, I think we 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.360 have to talk about DK met half and I don't 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:04.560 know what where he fits in terms of the categories. 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:06.800 Probably the you know, need to go back to the 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.480 tape because look, we knew he was gonna run fast. 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.520 I don't think anybody expected four three three at two 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.600 hundred and twenty eight pounds. The guy's a freak. But 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.119 the three cone in his short shuttle were looked like 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:20.560 he was running the SEC indoor Championship when he came 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:22.400 blowing down that line. Yeah, but what about the three 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.199 cone though, No, No, that's what Dane pointed that out. 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:28.000 Dane was very quick to say, listen, I can tell 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.639 you this guy can run really fast straight. I don't 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.080 know about change of direction, and I don't think it's 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.000 gonna be good because you see it on tape. He 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.840 did do it's it's a struggle. He is stiff, there's 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.280 no question about that. Scares the Bejesus out of me, 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:43.040 if I'm being honest. But okay, it's just he still 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.200 has well myth scares you because of that treadwell, doesn't it. Yeah, 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.600 he still has a tremendous big play potential, right, there's 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.399 no question with what he can do vertically, take the 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.760 top off at defense. Uh, just a big physical size. 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:57.720 But he's not a natural pass catcher. He's not a 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:01.080 savvy route runner, and he is a stiff athlete. Like 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.280 those three things are going to work against him, and 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.960 I think it makes it really tough to figure out 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:09.440 his ceiling and his value in the draft because I 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.560 think he has no question is upside, no question is 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.360 big play potential. But where do you draft that? Where 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:17.160 do you what is he going to be in the NFL? 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:20.040 What's his comparison? He's not Josh Gordon. Yeah, like Josh 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:23.600 Gordon was a much more fluid rounte runner. Fluid is 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.840 the best comparison for this guy, a Ted version of 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.320