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Speaker 1: Nori with you our special guest. Chanel Schantz is the
Speaker 1: granddaughter of Kenneth Arnold. Now he's the first pilot of
Speaker 1: the modern UFO era to experience a sighting of nine
Speaker 1: flying saucers over Mount Renier in Washington on June twenty fourth,
Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven. Channel is a prolific writer philosopher, believing
Speaker 1: in the omniism that there is truth in all religions.
Speaker 1: She has an associate's degree in philosophy from the College
Speaker 1: of Western Idaho and also has republished her grandfather's incredible book,
Speaker 1: The Coming of the Saucers. Channel, Welcome, I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to this discussion with you. Hello, George, It's an honor
Speaker 1: and a privilege to be a guest from Coast to Coast.
Speaker 1: It was so wonderful to meet you at the Egyptian
Speaker 1: Theater nine years ago. Now that's right, Long time time
Speaker 1: goes five, right, it does? Was it your mother who
Speaker 1: was the daughter of Kenneth Arnold? Yes, we My mother
Speaker 1: inherited the estate and just recently she's deciding to share
Speaker 1: it with me since I've been a speaker on his
Speaker 1: seat half. There's a festival in Chehalis, Washington, where he
Speaker 1: took off for his historic sighting of the Nine Flying Saucers.
Speaker 1: They have a festival every September and it benefits the
Speaker 1: museum there, the Lewis County Museum, and it's dedicated to
Speaker 1: Kenneth Arnold. I thought I would never find a museum
Speaker 1: that fit my grandfather, but they found me, and you know, Roswell.
Speaker 1: They had just a small plaque of him down there,
Speaker 1: and this museum they have so much, so much dedicated
Speaker 1: to him. It's so it makes my family so proud
Speaker 1: that somebody's honoring his legacy. It's an incredible story. He
Speaker 1: passed away in nineteen eighty four. How much of him
Speaker 1: do you remember channel He definitely. I so much love
Speaker 1: for him. My mother was his favorite daughter, and we
Speaker 1: were the ones that stayed in Boise where he was living,
Speaker 1: you know, and growing up. I have fond memories of
Speaker 1: him coming to my pirth days and pride parties. And
Speaker 1: when he was dying of cancer, he sat me down
Speaker 1: and told me not to trust the government to think
Speaker 1: for myself, and at at seven eight years old, that
Speaker 1: was such a big thought for me to think. And
Speaker 1: you know, growing up, I told my second grade teacher
Speaker 1: after he had passed away that he was the first
Speaker 1: time to report flying saucers and she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is sweet, honey, And you know, I was always
Speaker 1: just so proud of him. But he died disappointed, and
Speaker 1: he did believe that it wasn't the right time, and
Speaker 1: now it is the right time for the disclosure and
Speaker 1: the talk that everyone's had, I mean of these flying
Speaker 1: sauces as he'd finally been admitted to be in existence
Speaker 1: by the government finally, and my grandfather spent thirty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars of his own money investigating UFOs. In his lifetime,
Speaker 1: he was gonna be a speaker for the Pork and
Speaker 1: Knife Club, and he had a good friend who was
Speaker 1: the aviation editor at Fido's States from Here and Voice Guido.
Speaker 1: He was also the National Guard part of that. And
Speaker 1: growing up I heard this story of my grandfather being
Speaker 1: driven out to the desert and warned about his speeches.
Speaker 1: I used to think it was the men in black,
Speaker 1: but according to my mother, it was his friend Dave
Speaker 1: Johnson went Sido states from the aviation arther he he
Speaker 1: definitely u trying to find notes. But he drove my
Speaker 1: grandfather out to the desert and in his car, and
Speaker 1: when they got to where they were, he said, walk
Speaker 1: the se feet away from your car. I know this
Speaker 1: is what he told him. I know military men's sopptors speeches.
Speaker 1: My brother worked for the military and fought them eliminates
Speaker 1: her own men and after that with a knife and
Speaker 1: fork club with growing their offer for him to speak.
Speaker 1: He only had one speech in Ontario, organ which is
Speaker 1: about forty five minutes away from Boissy, and there's still
Speaker 1: some flyers in circulation that are for stell on eBay.
Speaker 1: But he thought it was his spiritual mission and with
Speaker 1: these pamphlets he's made and they were called the Flying
Speaker 1: Soccer as I saw it, Um, what did he think, Chanel?
Speaker 1: But he saw on June twenty four, ninety seven, Well,
Speaker 1: he definitely had all the credentials to be believed. He
Speaker 1: was part of Idaho's Search and Rescues Association. Yet four
Speaker 1: thousand hours of mountain flying, who was a solitist and
Speaker 1: a respective businessman of family man, an excellent pilot, had
Speaker 1: a clean record and absolutely nothing wrong with him. And
Speaker 1: when he had his fighting on June toy Work nineteen
Speaker 1: forty seven, he was searching for a crush forty six
Speaker 1: military transport and the crushing to Mount Rainier. There is
Speaker 1: a reward of five thousand dollars if it was found.
Speaker 1: About three o'clock and it was a Tuesday afternoon, he
Speaker 1: was about nine thousand feet in elevation. He caught a
Speaker 1: bright burnt flash in his cockpits, an arc light. He
Speaker 1: looked around, he saw a plane flying from Seattle the
Speaker 1: San Francisco in the distance, and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden he saw an echelon formation line flying object four
Speaker 1: in front tisenback, flying at a high raised speed and
Speaker 1: he was in a perfect position to clock them in
Speaker 1: between Mount rain in Mount Adams. He clocked them about
Speaker 1: twelve hundred miles per hour, but later recalculated it at
Speaker 1: about seventeen hundred miles per hour, which was unheard of.
Speaker 1: He thought they were guided missiles. As a pilot issue
Speaker 1: duty to report what you see for the security of
Speaker 1: the nation, you know, definitely, I mean even with our
Speaker 1: you know, the Chinese balloons, you know, we found out
Speaker 1: about those. You know, everybody wanted to know about that,
Speaker 1: so it was his duty to report what he saw. Then,
Speaker 1: you know, he was ridiculed a lot, you know, and
Speaker 1: really wasn't a speaker until the nineteen seventy seven UFOL
Speaker 1: Congress where Ray Palmer was there, and he had this
Speaker 1: whole idea of something called the Simey factor. Is the
Speaker 1: ridiculed to de bunky and the harassment, it's all added
Speaker 1: a Simey factor, a term devised by Rape Palmer, a
Speaker 1: friend of Arnold for thirty years, in a lecture that
Speaker 1: Palmer gave in Chicago nine ten, seventy seven, two months
Speaker 1: forwards death. I was born this year, so this year
Speaker 1: in this congressman who's a part of means a lot
Speaker 1: to me. They were both into the Hawaspi Bible. A
Speaker 1: lot of people don't really know what that is anymore.
Speaker 1: It was written in eighteen eighty two by a dentist.
Speaker 1: It's oahspe Bible, and its purports to be a history
Speaker 1: of the Earth and heavens for the past seventy nine
Speaker 1: thousand years. That eat Eurutherans or astral entities travel in
Speaker 1: vehicles along roadways that link cloths or placaus in a
Speaker 1: spiritual world that exists from six inches to one hundred
Speaker 1: miles above the surface of the Earth. The craft from
Speaker 1: both worlds, Palmer noted, later made some particular fluttering emotions
Speaker 1: as Arnold's UFOs sided in nineteen forty seven, and a
Speaker 1: Palmer and my grandfather in the same way, believing in
Speaker 1: help Palm believe that if somehow had to the connection
Speaker 1: between the living and the dead. Palmer thought that they
Speaker 1: were the saucers, were the spirits of the dead. Um, well,
Speaker 1: when when when your grandfather when he spotted these objects,
Speaker 1: and it was basically the first modern day vision of
Speaker 1: these flye saucers. What did he think they were at
Speaker 1: that time? At first sided missiles? Um, he just they
Speaker 1: kind of looked like a Chinese type the way that
Speaker 1: they're flying. He described them later when he landed in Panton,
Speaker 1: Oregon to the reporters, like saucers if you'd skip them
Speaker 1: on water, And the term fine saucers was coined and
Speaker 1: he became famous overnight. He got letters from all over
Speaker 1: the world. Before Maury Island happened, he met key military
Speaker 1: men that Lieutenant Brown, Lieutenant Jamison. They came to my
Speaker 1: grandparent's house and had had a meal with them and
Speaker 1: then went through my grandfather's letters, picking out all the
Speaker 1: letters from the spiritual leaders they've written him. They were
Speaker 1: afraid that he was going to be become a prophet
Speaker 1: another good of art, you know, because of how famous
Speaker 1: he passed. The mailman knew his address and he would
Speaker 1: get mail just to address Kenneth Arnold by Idaho, and
Speaker 1: the mailman delivered it to him. They knew where he was,
Speaker 1: they knew where he lived, Yes, and definitely so so,
Speaker 1: you know, but after the Knights Imports Club, he wasn't
Speaker 1: very much of a speaker. They made it a crime
Speaker 1: to talk about UFOs back in the day. That's how
Speaker 1: he felt about it. Well, what I found fascinating about
Speaker 1: this whole episode was just a few weeks later, we
Speaker 1: had the crash crash at Roswell, New Mexico, And I'm
Speaker 1: convinced one of those objects that crashed, maybe two, might
Speaker 1: have been one or two of the nine that your
Speaker 1: grandfather spotted back in June. And I think it has
Speaker 1: a lot to do with the Adam bombs that we're
Speaker 1: being unleashed there in that area, ripping holes in dimensional time.
Speaker 1: You know, we believe that these playing saucers are family
Speaker 1: believes they're coming from the dimension We got to you
Speaker 1: from where we die and they're innit dimensional and mountains
Speaker 1: our portals. I've seen, you know, some episodes about how
Speaker 1: people believe that mountains our portals to the other dimension,
Speaker 1: the fifth dimension. We're in the third. But it's it's
Speaker 1: a pretty advanced spot because people want to believe they're
Speaker 1: coming from other solar systems. The time travel is or
Speaker 1: just traveling through space, it's so like hard to calculate
Speaker 1: how you would do it. You'd have to have a
Speaker 1: wormhole or stuffing to get here from where, you know,
Speaker 1: other parts of the universe. And I almost believe that
Speaker 1: if universe might even be an illusion to us and
Speaker 1: we're just you know, stuck in this this planet and
Speaker 1: they they made us. There's the angels that were talked
Speaker 1: about in the Bible, and you know the Bible had
Speaker 1: been rewritten. There's so many artifacts coming out of South
Speaker 1: America that are that have depictions of aliens, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what we call them. I mean, they could be
Speaker 1: us in bodies after we pass on. Possibly they could
Speaker 1: be time travelers from the future. I've heard that before too,
Speaker 1: but um, you know definitely. Uh, I thowt this like
Speaker 1: during the pandemic in my backyard, I had EUO post
Speaker 1: fighting And at first when you see them you think
Speaker 1: that they are like flying in the formation of a
Speaker 1: burdening you. But they were flying so fast that they disappeared.
Speaker 1: My husband barely saw them. But um, that was kind
Speaker 1: of odd, odd experience I had. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of weird things going on during the pandemic. Um a
Speaker 1: lot of UF post fightings during the pandem Well back
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty, the incredible broadcaster for CBS, Edward R. Murrow,
Speaker 1: interviewed your grandfather, who said at that time that he
Speaker 1: saw three additional sightings of the nine spacecraft later on.
Speaker 1: So he must have been in a hotbed area. Huh. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He had eight sightings in all, and he had one
Speaker 1: La grand He had one over Mount Cheff. We have
Speaker 1: some of them documented, some of them we don't. But
Speaker 1: he was just a pilot. He was always flying around
Speaker 1: and somebody he definitely became friends liss with Captain e
Speaker 1: Ja Smith. He was a pilot for United Airlines that
Speaker 1: saw nine fine passers over Emma, Idaho, shortly after my
Speaker 1: grandfather's sighting on July fourth, nineteen forty seven, and they
Speaker 1: became friends with Marie Island incidents investigating that for Ray Palmer.
Speaker 1: Ray Palmer paid my grandfather two hundred dollars to fly
Speaker 1: to Tacoma to investigate the Moree Island incident. But um,
Speaker 1: it seems that Ray Palmer, you know, they were writing
Speaker 1: coming in his tale about my grandfather's fighting. But Ray
Speaker 1: Palmer was a fictional writer, and it seems that he
Speaker 1: was friends with Fred Chris Christman, and possibly um, they
Speaker 1: had made the story up just to make up, you know,
Speaker 1: more for for the book to you know, have something
Speaker 1: more to write about. Because the whole Marie Island incident,
Speaker 1: you know, supposedly my grandfather had a piece of ufo.
Speaker 1: His friends, the ones that went through his mail. Their
Speaker 1: airplane had just been refurbished. It crashed and killed so
Speaker 1: killing them both. And he was devastated. He was scared.
Speaker 1: He was leaving uh Tacoma and either shut his fuel
Speaker 1: line off or somebody shut his fuel line off, and
Speaker 1: he almost crashed his airplane. But he, you know, the
Speaker 1: Moree Island incident. They were staying at a hotel. It
Speaker 1: was weird when he got to Tacoma, there was nowhere.
Speaker 1: Everywhere was buck there's no vacancy. But he kept to
Speaker 1: the one for a motel and they have a room
Speaker 1: reserved for him, and he swore that there was a
Speaker 1: dictaphone in the room and that's a recording device because
Speaker 1: reporters kept meaning him outside of the lobby for information
Speaker 1: on what they were doing there. And in the whole situation.
Speaker 1: You know, definitely was kind of a you know, carry
Speaker 1: for my grandfather because of the military, just like thinking
Speaker 1: that there was such special about him. He knew stuff
Speaker 1: that they didn't and he felt like, you know, he
Speaker 1: had no privacy and even at his house, he felt
Speaker 1: like his house and he was just a simple man.
Speaker 1: He was a pilot. He did his duty to report
Speaker 1: what he saught and you know, he got ridiculed. My
Speaker 1: aunt got ridiculed in school unfortunately. But like growing up
Speaker 1: in my era, I grew up in the right time
Speaker 1: for this. Um, finally, my grandfather's being honored. They want to,
Speaker 1: you know, create a pattoo of him and Chehalis, which
Speaker 1: is totally awesome, you know, if that ever comes about.
Speaker 1: But I'm just glad there's a place to honor him. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and you know, he lasted until nineteen eighty four, so
Speaker 1: you got thirty seven great years with him after the sighting.
Speaker 1: Was he able to live down some of the people,
Speaker 1: the animosity from some people, Um, you know, towards the
Speaker 1: end of his life, he was just really disappointed. And
Speaker 1: I felt that in him. And you know, he had
Speaker 1: a he had military friends, he had friends, all sorts
Speaker 1: of friends all over the ice. He was so respected.
Speaker 1: And somebody in the book I picked the pictures of
Speaker 1: the flying saucers that are real features of flying saucers,
Speaker 1: and he wrote on the back of those he believed
Speaker 1: they were the same flying suffer he wouldn't have Spende
Speaker 1: twenty fourth, ninety fourty seven, And those pictures are part
Speaker 1: of the books that I republished. And also and he
Speaker 1: was my age. He ran for lieutenant governor of Idaho
Speaker 1: and also for Congress, and he had a huge campaign.
Speaker 1: He met President Eisenhower and and also spent him I
Speaker 1: think a telegram saying that we were being visited from
Speaker 1: other worlds. You know, he felt like it was his
Speaker 1: duty to figure out the mystery. But any he did
Speaker 1: not win those general elections, did he No, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was still too you know, the fact that he saw
Speaker 1: the flying saucers. Even and I think it was the sixties,
Speaker 1: it still it was still, you know, very taboo. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not like it is now. It's definitely a hot thing.
Speaker 1: There's UFO conferences everywhere. Everyone wants to talk about why
Speaker 1: they're here, and you know, why why did we have
Speaker 1: the semi asia. They've always been here, But why wasn't
Speaker 1: my grandfather the whoke humanity as I've always been here?
Speaker 1: But that summer it was the mysterious ufful wave of
Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven. Everyone started seeing flying saucers after my grandfather,
Speaker 1: and it passled the ufologists to this day how he
Speaker 1: south flying saucers and then everyone else started seeing him.
Speaker 1: My first interview in nineteen seventy one, when I was
Speaker 1: a kid reporter, was with Stanton Friedman, whom your grandfather
Speaker 1: met in nineteen seventy seven at a UFO congress. Yes,
Speaker 1: that must have been fascinating for both of them, because
Speaker 1: Stan was just he loved UFOs. Oh, I know. And
Speaker 1: I got to meet Stan when I met you, and
Speaker 1: we took him to the airport and I told him
Speaker 1: I loved him. When I dropped him off to the airport,
Speaker 1: because I knew it was the only time I would
Speaker 1: see him, because you know, he was older and he
Speaker 1: passed away, and at least I got to meet him
Speaker 1: because being met my grandfather, and you know, that was
Speaker 1: just the way wonderful, getting to meet Staton Streaman finally,
Speaker 1: you know, honestly, my grandfather was so popular all through
Speaker 1: the ages, and the Roswell instant came about when Staton
Speaker 1: made it come to light in the early eighties. But
Speaker 1: I know it was like the late seventies that it
Speaker 1: came about again because it was you know, covered up
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you know, Rothwell things
Speaker 1: kind of went rolling. And I am friends with the
Speaker 1: Roswell grandchildren. I loved Denise and Jesse to that. Jesse
Speaker 1: also agrees that these are coming from another dimension. We
Speaker 1: did a podcast together. But anyhow, I feel like our
Speaker 1: grandparents who wanted to be friends, and um, you know,
Speaker 1: I adore my friendship I have with Stem because we're
Speaker 1: in a flying soccer filled together, you know. Listen to
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