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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: Nori with you our special guest. Chanel Schantz is the

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Speaker 1: granddaughter of Kenneth Arnold. Now he's the first pilot of

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Speaker 1: the modern UFO era to experience a sighting of nine

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Speaker 1: flying saucers over Mount Renier in Washington on June twenty fourth,

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Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven. Channel is a prolific writer philosopher, believing

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Speaker 1: in the omniism that there is truth in all religions.

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Speaker 1: She has an associate's degree in philosophy from the College

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Speaker 1: of Western Idaho and also has republished her grandfather's incredible book,

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Speaker 1: The Coming of the Saucers. Channel, Welcome, I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to this discussion with you. Hello, George, It's an honor

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Speaker 1: and a privilege to be a guest from Coast to Coast.

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Speaker 1: It was so wonderful to meet you at the Egyptian

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Speaker 1: Theater nine years ago. Now that's right, Long time time

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Speaker 1: goes five, right, it does? Was it your mother who

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Speaker 1: was the daughter of Kenneth Arnold? Yes, we My mother

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Speaker 1: inherited the estate and just recently she's deciding to share

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Speaker 1: it with me since I've been a speaker on his

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Speaker 1: seat half. There's a festival in Chehalis, Washington, where he

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Speaker 1: took off for his historic sighting of the Nine Flying Saucers.

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Speaker 1: They have a festival every September and it benefits the

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Speaker 1: museum there, the Lewis County Museum, and it's dedicated to

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Arnold. I thought I would never find a museum

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Speaker 1: that fit my grandfather, but they found me, and you know, Roswell.

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Speaker 1: They had just a small plaque of him down there,

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Speaker 1: and this museum they have so much, so much dedicated

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Speaker 1: to him. It's so it makes my family so proud

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Speaker 1: that somebody's honoring his legacy. It's an incredible story. He

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Speaker 1: passed away in nineteen eighty four. How much of him

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Speaker 1: do you remember channel He definitely. I so much love

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Speaker 1: for him. My mother was his favorite daughter, and we

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Speaker 1: were the ones that stayed in Boise where he was living,

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Speaker 1: you know, and growing up. I have fond memories of

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Speaker 1: him coming to my pirth days and pride parties. And

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Speaker 1: when he was dying of cancer, he sat me down

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Speaker 1: and told me not to trust the government to think

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Speaker 1: for myself, and at at seven eight years old, that

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Speaker 1: was such a big thought for me to think. And

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Speaker 1: you know, growing up, I told my second grade teacher

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Speaker 1: after he had passed away that he was the first

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Speaker 1: time to report flying saucers and she was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is sweet, honey, And you know, I was always

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Speaker 1: just so proud of him. But he died disappointed, and

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Speaker 1: he did believe that it wasn't the right time, and

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Speaker 1: now it is the right time for the disclosure and

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Speaker 1: the talk that everyone's had, I mean of these flying

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Speaker 1: sauces as he'd finally been admitted to be in existence

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Speaker 1: by the government finally, and my grandfather spent thirty thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars of his own money investigating UFOs. In his lifetime,

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Speaker 1: he was gonna be a speaker for the Pork and

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Speaker 1: Knife Club, and he had a good friend who was

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Speaker 1: the aviation editor at Fido's States from Here and Voice Guido.

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Speaker 1: He was also the National Guard part of that. And

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Speaker 1: growing up I heard this story of my grandfather being

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Speaker 1: driven out to the desert and warned about his speeches.

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Speaker 1: I used to think it was the men in black,

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Speaker 1: but according to my mother, it was his friend Dave

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Speaker 1: Johnson went Sido states from the aviation arther he he

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Speaker 1: definitely u trying to find notes. But he drove my

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Speaker 1: when they got to where they were, he said, walk

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Speaker 1: is what he told him. I know military men's sopptors speeches.

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Speaker 1: My brother worked for the military and fought them eliminates

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Speaker 1: her own men and after that with a knife and

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Speaker 1: fork club with growing their offer for him to speak.

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Speaker 1: He only had one speech in Ontario, organ which is

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Speaker 1: about forty five minutes away from Boissy, and there's still

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Speaker 1: some flyers in circulation that are for stell on eBay.

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Speaker 1: But he thought it was his spiritual mission and with

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Speaker 1: these pamphlets he's made and they were called the Flying

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Speaker 1: Soccer as I saw it, Um, what did he think, Chanel?

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Speaker 1: But he saw on June twenty four, ninety seven, Well,

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Speaker 1: he definitely had all the credentials to be believed. He

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Speaker 1: was part of Idaho's Search and Rescues Association. Yet four

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Speaker 1: thousand hours of mountain flying, who was a solitist and

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Speaker 1: a respective businessman of family man, an excellent pilot, had

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Speaker 1: About three o'clock and it was a Tuesday afternoon, he

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Speaker 1: bright burnt flash in his cockpits, an arc light. He

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Speaker 1: he was in a perfect position to clock them in

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Speaker 1: twelve hundred miles per hour, but later recalculated it at

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Speaker 1: about seventeen hundred miles per hour, which was unheard of.

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Speaker 1: He thought they were guided missiles. As a pilot issue

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Speaker 1: duty to report what you see for the security of

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Speaker 1: you know, the Chinese balloons, you know, we found out

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Speaker 1: so it was his duty to report what he saw. Then,

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Speaker 1: you know, he was ridiculed a lot, you know, and

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Speaker 1: really wasn't a speaker until the nineteen seventy seven UFOL

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Speaker 1: Congress where Ray Palmer was there, and he had this

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Speaker 1: whole idea of something called the Simey factor. Is the

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Speaker 1: ridiculed to de bunky and the harassment, it's all added

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Speaker 1: a Simey factor, a term devised by Rape Palmer, a

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Speaker 1: friend of Arnold for thirty years, in a lecture that

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Speaker 1: Palmer gave in Chicago nine ten, seventy seven, two months

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Speaker 1: in this congressman who's a part of means a lot

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Speaker 1: to me. They were both into the Hawaspi Bible. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people don't really know what that is anymore.

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Speaker 1: It was written in eighteen eighty two by a dentist.

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Speaker 1: It's oahspe Bible, and its purports to be a history

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Speaker 1: of the Earth and heavens for the past seventy nine

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Speaker 1: thousand years. That eat Eurutherans or astral entities travel in

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Speaker 1: vehicles along roadways that link cloths or placaus in a

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Speaker 1: spiritual world that exists from six inches to one hundred

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Speaker 1: both worlds, Palmer noted, later made some particular fluttering emotions

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Speaker 1: as Arnold's UFOs sided in nineteen forty seven, and a

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Speaker 1: Palmer and my grandfather in the same way, believing in

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Speaker 1: help Palm believe that if somehow had to the connection

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Speaker 1: between the living and the dead. Palmer thought that they

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Speaker 1: when when when your grandfather when he spotted these objects,

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Speaker 1: he became famous overnight. He got letters from all over

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Speaker 1: men that Lieutenant Brown, Lieutenant Jamison. They came to my

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Speaker 1: then went through my grandfather's letters, picking out all the

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Speaker 1: letters from the spiritual leaders they've written him. They were

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Speaker 1: he passed. The mailman knew his address and he would

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Speaker 1: get mail just to address Kenneth Arnold by Idaho, and

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Speaker 1: the mailman delivered it to him. They knew where he was,

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Speaker 1: they knew where he lived, Yes, and definitely so so,

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Speaker 1: you know, but after the Knights Imports Club, he wasn't

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Speaker 1: very much of a speaker. They made it a crime

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Speaker 1: convinced one of those objects that crashed, maybe two, might

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Speaker 1: have been one or two of the nine that your

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Speaker 1: a lot to do with the Adam bombs that we're

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Speaker 1: being unleashed there in that area, ripping holes in dimensional time.

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Speaker 1: You know, we believe that these playing saucers are family

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Speaker 1: the fifth dimension. We're in the third. But it's it's

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Speaker 1: My husband barely saw them. But um, that was kind

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Speaker 1: of odd, odd experience I had. There was a lot

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Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty, the incredible broadcaster for CBS, Edward R. Murrow,

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Speaker 1: saw three additional sightings of the nine spacecraft later on.

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Speaker 1: He had eight sightings in all, and he had one

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Speaker 1: and somebody he definitely became friends liss with Captain e

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Speaker 1: Ja Smith. He was a pilot for United Airlines that

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Speaker 1: saw nine fine passers over Emma, Idaho, shortly after my

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Speaker 1: grandfather's sighting on July fourth, nineteen forty seven, and they

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Speaker 1: became friends with Marie Island incidents investigating that for Ray Palmer.

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Speaker 1: Ray Palmer paid my grandfather two hundred dollars to fly

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Speaker 1: to Tacoma to investigate the Moree Island incident. But um,

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Speaker 1: it seems that Ray Palmer, you know, they were writing

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Speaker 1: Palmer was a fictional writer, and it seems that he

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Speaker 1: was friends with Fred Chris Christman, and possibly um, they

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Speaker 1: more for for the book to you know, have something

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Speaker 1: more to write about. Because the whole Marie Island incident,

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Speaker 1: His friends, the ones that went through his mail. Their

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Speaker 1: killing them both. And he was devastated. He was scared.

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