1 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Crime Roundup with the peerless Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: Nancy, I could not wait to talk. 3 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: To you about what I have dubbed the Galileo defense. 4 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 3: Listen when I was on MSM last night. Merritt Street Media, 5 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 3: which you better be watching, is Doctor Phil's new network PS. 6 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 3: You can also get it for free online Merritt Plus 7 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 3: dot com. That said, we talked all about cloud coverage, 8 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 3: the weather scenario the night of the Idaho murderers. Oh, Cheryl, 9 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 3: it was bad, it was foggy, it was icy. As 10 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 3: I recall, I looked it all up on the Farmer's 11 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 3: Almanight and through the Weather Bureau. But I go back, 12 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 3: I did not mention the word galileo because I knew 13 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 3: that's what you were going to say this morning. 14 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: Well, I looked it up too. And here's the thing. 15 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: If you're such a fan of the moon, I can't 16 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: believe he went out November thirteenth looking at a Wayne 17 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: and Gibbons. That's only seventy four percent good when he 18 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: could have on the eighth gone out and looked at 19 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: the full beaver moon. 20 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: How about that? 21 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 3: Okay, don't even go with full beaver because I'm gonna, 22 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 3: you know, catch hbl online for that. But I want 23 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: to tell you this, and I haven't said I thought 24 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 3: about I didn't put it together until after MSM last night. 25 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: But Cheryl, I've had a lot of viewers writing in 26 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: about where he said he was, and it's just like 27 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 3: Scott Peterson RIGI all over again. There is a parking 28 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: dick there. You don't just drive out into that park. 29 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 3: According to what I'm seeing online where he said he was, 30 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 3: there's a parking deck. So is there evidence, is there 31 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 3: photographic or is there a receipt? Remember Scott Peterson when 32 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 3: he went to go dumb Lacy and Connor's bodies, he 33 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 3: got stuck in the marina and couldn't really navigate his 34 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 3: new boat, his new secret boat that well, and so 35 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 3: the attendant remembered him. So whether there's an attendant at 36 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 3: three o'clock in the morning, or whether there is an 37 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 3: in and out, you know, automatic lift for you to 38 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 3: get into the garage, there could be evidence that he 39 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: was or was not there. 40 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: Rot Row exactly right. 41 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: And you know the thing that just blows my mind 42 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: about people now saying, see he didn't do it, He 43 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: wasn't anywhere near there now they want us to believe 44 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: that the real killer ob named a knife, left a 45 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: sheath behind with Coburger's DNA, drove a car similar to his, 46 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: and committed the crimes while he was out looking at 47 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: the moon. 48 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 3: One other thing is that he ordered that exact knife, 49 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 3: sheath and knife from Amazon, and we have that receipt. 50 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 3: And I'm betting Cheryl McCollum that when they. 51 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 4: Review his full and review reveal his full digital footprint, 52 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 4: we're going to find out where he searched for the 53 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 4: knife and got that particular knife. 54 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 3: Like, Okay, here's an example. This morning, my dog went 55 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 3: out of Squeaky Toys, fat Boy, the love of his life, 56 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: and I went to Pet Smart and I looked at 57 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: multiple Squeaky toys until I found the one he liked. Okay, example, 58 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 3: Don't you know Coburger, as antal compulsive as he is, 59 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 3: looked and looked and looked for the right knife. And 60 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 3: how is it that he buys a knife and the 61 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 3: sheep and out of all his possessions, that's what's miss 62 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 3: So you've got his knife, his car in the area, 63 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: you have his cell phone pinging there. According to the state, 64 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: I think that there's going to be a real problem 65 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: for the state, though, Cheryl, with the now admission that 66 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 3: there is no stalking, and I want to remind everybody 67 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: it was not the state that put that out there 68 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 3: to start with, that Coburger had been stalking at least 69 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 3: one of the four victims. That was put out there 70 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 3: by others, not the state. In fact, the police said, 71 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 3: LA law enforcement set up the get go, we don't 72 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: have evidence of stalking. But in open court the state 73 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: had to say there is no stalking. Now what is 74 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: the defense going to do with that? No stalking, no motive, 75 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 3: no murder. That's my fear. 76 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: Well, Nancy, do you think he waited to create this 77 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: alibi after the discovery? 78 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: Well, if the defense acted, pursue it to every other 79 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 3: defense attorney I have ever known in the history of 80 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: my law practice. 81 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: Yes, I did too. 82 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 3: Yes, And I want to point out something else. He 83 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: is refusing to say exactly his coordinates until the state 84 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 3: hands over more discovery. So he's not exactly telling us 85 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 3: where he was. He's saying, I was in this general 86 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 3: area stargazing. What a co inky dink coincidence that night 87 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 3: he happens to be in the area driving around at 88 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 3: the time of the murders. When they say he's far away, 89 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: he's not that far away. It's about ten miles away. 90 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: That's right. Listen, I know we've got limited time. 91 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: I want to shift gears and get your opinion about Oklahoma. 92 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: Four people have been arrested, Tiffany Adams, Tad Cullen, Colorra, 93 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: and Cole Twombly. 94 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: But I want to. 95 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: Talk specifically about the sixteen year old hero in this 96 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: thing that has given law enforcement information about her mother 97 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: and stepfather, Clora and Cole Twombley. Sixteen, I mean Lucy's age, 98 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: and she's having to give information to law enforcement about 99 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: what all went on and what she heard. 100 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 2: And what she was subjected to. Another thing. 101 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 3: I've been thinking a lot about her, like you have, Cheryl. 102 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 3: If she is telling us this much, what does that 103 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 3: mean about the rest of her life with these ghules? Yes, Now, 104 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: what it spoils down to is the mother in law 105 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 3: being furious, the granny being furious that the biological mother 106 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: now martyr victim, was going to get more custody of 107 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 3: the children. She was never going to get full custody. 108 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 3: The grandma's son, the bio dad, was always going to 109 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: have some custody. The whole bunch of them are let's 110 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 3: just say they should all stew in the same part together. 111 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 3: But I'm very curious how this whole thing is going down, 112 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 3: because just recently, you and I worked on the case 113 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 3: of Dan Markel, the Florida law professor who was killed 114 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 3: when he refused to relinquish custody of his own children 115 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: and he refused to move to South Florida to be 116 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 3: closer to the grandparents. He wouldn't do it. He ended 117 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 3: up dead in the driveway. Girl. And who was behind that, 118 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 3: according to the state, the mother in law. You know what, Cheryl, 119 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: you met my mother in law and Lynch, God rest 120 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 3: her soul. And I've said this a million times. Right now, 121 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: you know, I wear on my right hand it looks 122 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: like a wedding band, but it is actually some of 123 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 3: miss Lynch's jewelry melted down, and that's what I wear. 124 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 3: And I never in all the years I knew Miss Lynch, 125 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 3: we never had a crossword. She probably bit her song off. 126 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 3: Never said a sane word, neither her nor mischillant. And 127 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 3: when I think about I mean, I just gave myself 128 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 3: chills when I think about a mother in law hating 129 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: her daughter in law so much that you would go 130 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: to the link of killing her rather than not having 131 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 3: the grandchildren all the time. It's crazy, but not in 132 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 3: a legal sense. Don't jump up with insanity on this 133 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,559 Speaker 3: and another thing. How did she convince all these three 134 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 3: other people to go along with a double murder? 135 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: Exactly? Well, they're God's misfits. But I'm gonna tell you. You know, 136 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: my mother in law too, has never been anything since 137 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: I was a kid. I've known her since I was fourteen, 138 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: nothing but supportive and kind and loving and would do 139 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: anything to help me be a better parent. 140 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 3: Oh wait a minute, anything to help you, anything to 141 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 3: help me. Do you remember that baby shower she had 142 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 3: at doa house and there were lines of police officer 143 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 3: and prosecutor and a couple of dephboths showed up. Is 144 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 3: he welcomed them all, y'all? Oh, we had a good time. 145 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 3: I wish I could do that all over again. 146 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: Y'all. Let me tell you something. 147 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: There were supposed to be about one hundred people at 148 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: that baby shower. People started coming out of the woodwork. 149 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: The police literally had to show up and direct traffic. 150 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: I don't even remember how many people we had, but listen, 151 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: it was the greatest. It was absolutely just such a 152 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: wonderful time in both of our lives. 153 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: Your mother in law's home, we are Trump beilt Trump 154 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 3: through her house, and oh we had the best time. 155 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 3: And she was the most gracious and wonderful lady. And 156 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 3: I almost feel guilty about talking about our mother's in 157 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: law because I got to tell you, I'll end in 158 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 3: a pot of honey when I hooked up with a 159 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 3: Lynch family. But what I'm saying is it, and think 160 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,599 Speaker 3: about the grandchildren involved. The mother is dead, the grandma's 161 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 3: going to jail, and the father, well, you know what, 162 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: I'll let his record speak for itself. 163 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: And that's the thing that's so just gut wrenching. Here 164 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: You've got six children that during the event immediately lost 165 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: a parent. And then you've got the sixteen year old, 166 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: she's got a brother. We're like at eight or ten 167 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: children that lost a parent in some way. 168 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 3: And you know who nobody's talking about. The preacher's wife. 169 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 3: She was just doing a good deed because the mom, 170 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 3: because of the grandma, could only see her children with 171 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 3: court supervisions. So she was just going along as a 172 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: good deed. She's a mother, a wife, very involved in 173 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 3: her church and her community. She's dead. She was just 174 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 3: a ride along, she was just a wing man, and 175 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 3: she is dead. And when I think of those pools 176 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 3: of blood outside that car and those depraved animals that 177 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 3: did this to two unarmed ladies over what custody? Oh, 178 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 3: how much custody? You think she's going to get? Buying 179 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 3: bars a week? Leave, visit for a while, and then 180 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 3: the grandchildren would go Grandma who? 181 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you something else. 182 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: She thought she was and slick doing this while her 183 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: son was in rehab, thinking she would give him an 184 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: automatic alibi. He's liable to never see him again either. 185 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 3: Well, you're right about that. If it can be proven 186 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 3: that he knew or could have known anything about it, 187 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 3: that is an argument I would make to keep him 188 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 3: away from the children, absolutely, because what else is going 189 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 3: to happen? And what if they already lived through. 190 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: That's right, Listen, I know you've got to run, but 191 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: I will leave this. 192 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: I feel like you're I feel like you're trying to 193 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 3: get rid of me. I don't like it. 194 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: I would never But do you remember speaking to the 195 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: baby shower? 196 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 3: I think I feel somebody sitting on my coattails right now? 197 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: Who is honey? You know that? Remember that woman that 198 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 2: asked me that, Oh. 199 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: You're that girl that just rides Nancy Gray's's coattail? 200 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: I said, you don'g gone right, honey, serves up? 201 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 3: No, wait a minute, what were you going to say 202 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 3: about the shower? 203 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: My mother in law is just like you said, just 204 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 1: this sweet southern woman. She is just the epitome of 205 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: a lady. Everything is just perfect. But she told my 206 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: other law, don't you come back hunting. You stay gone 207 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: until I call you. And he could not resist because 208 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: he loved you so much. When he walked in in 209 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: those overalls with dirt and grime and fur and whatever 210 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: else all over him, I thought she was gonna pass 211 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: straight out. But of course you and Renee Rockel and 212 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: everybody was so lovely to him too. But he was 213 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: such a fan. So I just had to remind you 214 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: of that part, because there's a photograph of him kissing 215 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: you on the cheek, and every time she says that 216 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: she gets mad. 217 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 3: Hey, I want to copy of that picture. Go ahead, 218 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 3: put a copy of that. 219 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 2: I will send it. 220 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 3: It was yesterday, oh my goodness. And now the twins 221 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 3: are driving. God help us all. 222 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: God help us all. 223 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: I tell you, it just flies, but it's just the 224 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: best time. 225 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 3: I guess we're gonna have to We're gonna have to 226 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 3: go to Oklahoma. And I know because I got to 227 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: see these trials for myself. I don't want to see 228 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 3: him on a TV lens. I want to see the 229 00:12:59,200 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: whole food. 230 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: Girl, I'll drive, let's go. 231 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 3: Okay bye. 232 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: This is the Crime Roundup and I'm Cheryl McCollum.