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Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome to April. It's draft month. Bucky Brooks,

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Speaker 1: how you doing, Buddy? I am good? Big weekend? How

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Speaker 1: uh less than what gosh, draft of twenty six we

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Speaker 1: as well as another three sixty that's dropping this week.

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Speaker 1: on a top prospect. Those are doing great. Hope you

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Speaker 1: guys have enjoyed those. But on today's episode, Buck, give

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Speaker 1: but we play jinga missing piece for Super Bowl contenders.

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Speaker 1: nickel in there. Rashawn Golden uh Selly's guy from Tennessee.

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00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,640
Speaker 1: He's a big he'd be a big nickel there you go. Uh.

429
00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,639
Speaker 1: He just ran slow, ran four six one and he

430
00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,159
Speaker 1: didn't play that fast. But if you're looking for a

431
00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,359
Speaker 1: bigger nickel over six ft almost six one, um, he

432
00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,320
Speaker 1: slides in from me inside. You know it's funny. Um,

433
00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,280
Speaker 1: Dante Jackson is interesting because when you look at the

434
00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,080
Speaker 1: car and you see the time four three two, you

435
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,440
Speaker 1: light up. But the thing that concerns me a little

436
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,679
Speaker 1: bit about him moving inside. He's a hundred and seventy

437
00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,400
Speaker 1: eight pounds, and so I can envision the team seeing

438
00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,800
Speaker 1: him running, running right at him and try and run

439
00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,320
Speaker 1: him off the field. You're right the tape from uh

440
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,760
Speaker 1: not last year, but twenty sixteen is much better than

441
00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,400
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. Um, I just need to work him out

442
00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,680
Speaker 1: and just kind of see if he's tough enough and

443
00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,960
Speaker 1: if he has the aptitude to be able to handle

444
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,440
Speaker 1: all the things that go with coming inside. The guy

445
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,040
Speaker 1: that I like in their Perry Nickoson certainly the ball skills,

446
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,320
Speaker 1: the awareness, Um, his speed is there. But he's a

447
00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,360
Speaker 1: little bigger, not much, only five pounds bigger. But he

448
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,200
Speaker 1: plays to me, plays a little bigger than Dante Jackson

449
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,399
Speaker 1: on the field. Florida kid Duke Dawson solid And I

450
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,840
Speaker 1: think a lot of times when you're looking at corners, um,

451
00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,840
Speaker 1: that you're projecting to play as that third corner where

452
00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,200
Speaker 1: the be slider outside. They need to be solid because

453
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,480
Speaker 1: you can do some things to help them. Uh, they're

454
00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,919
Speaker 1: not necessarily going to be on an island inside. You

455
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,960
Speaker 1: can help them know where to follow him too. I

456
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,919
Speaker 1: think he's plenty fast enough and quick enough to be

457
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 1: able to handle that. The one guy that I think

458
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,879
Speaker 1: could be intrigued. And maybe we'll get to these guys

459
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:23,160
Speaker 1: um later to two guys actually, Uh, Holton Hill from Texas.

460
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,680
Speaker 1: I have him outside outside corner, big almost six one

461
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 1: and a half, under ninety six, ran under four six

462
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 1: one and a half. UM play really well against usc

463
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,560
Speaker 1: um cos all the way back. Is funny because he

464
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 1: was on the Team seven or seven team that we

465
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 1: had up at Nike. He played with Jamal Adams and

466
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 1: he played nickel the entire time. Interesting. Yeah, so he

467
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 1: played nickel the entire time and did a really really

468
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 1: good job. So I think that is there. I've talked

469
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 1: to some people about him and they like what he

470
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 1: shows on tape. He's tough enough, he's physical enough, does

471
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,680
Speaker 1: a great job a getting his hands on people. Um

472
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 1: and in this year texts you saw him play off

473
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,440
Speaker 1: in space, so he is one in. And the guy

474
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 1: that you have right below up Kevin Tolliver. Right, these

475
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 1: are two guys that are intriguing to me because I

476
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 1: think they can be what I call toss sixty players.

477
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 1: I think these guys can both be solid second round

478
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,959
Speaker 1: players that come in and eventually become starters. That may

479
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 1: be year one, that may be a year two or

480
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 1: three down the line. But when I look at their

481
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 1: size and how they play in the right schemes, I

482
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 1: think these two guys could be solid starters. That's good.

483
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 1: I actually have over those two guys. After I mentioned

484
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 1: Isaiah Oliver from Colorado, I have that kind of is

485
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 1: my top tier. That's the end of my big guy

486
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 1: top tier. So the top tier again to go back

487
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 1: to it ward, Alexander Hughes, uh, Josh Jackson and Isaiah Oliver,

488
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 1: those are my outside top tier. And then that next

489
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,919
Speaker 1: tier right below them. Uh, that's where I have Carlton

490
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 1: Davis from Auburn. Some people are higher on him than

491
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 1: I am. I have him in that second tier big corners, um.

492
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 1: And then I have I'm a big fan of Isaac

493
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: ye Item from Boston College. I thought he's he is

494
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 1: a tough kid, he's big, Uh, he's physical, he can

495
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: find the football. I liked him. And then I have

496
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: Holton hill On Tolliver. So that's kind of that next

497
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: group for me, of those of those big guys. And

498
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 1: I think what you're talking about there is really going

499
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 1: to the ice cream shop and trying to figure out

500
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: what kind of player do you like Stylistically for your defense?

501
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: Do you want to gether um you play some premium tackling,

502
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 1: So the physicality and toughness is a part. Do you

503
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 1: like a guy who has better footwork and movement skills

504
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: because then they can shadow and do some other things.

505
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: They have a deep or big toolbox. All of those

506
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: things matter. And these are the discussions that we would

507
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: have in the room with the coaches, because when the

508
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 1: coaches come in there, all those guys appear to be

509
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: very closely graded. We would let the coaches reshuffle the

510
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: deck based on how those guys fit into the scheme. Yeah.

511
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 1: One of the things you do with coaches is I

512
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: kind of broken these down into tears, So you would

513
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 1: just have the coaches deal within that tier. Don't let

514
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: them see too much of them. No, no, just here's

515
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: a little sliver. Here's these four guys. How do you

516
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: like these four guys. I'm not gonna let you compare

517
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 1: number one and number thirty two. But these packs of four,

518
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: let's make sure we get those sorted out. So those

519
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: are the kind of different clumps I have. Going back

520
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 1: in the item. What I liked about him press He's

521
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: physical with the line of scrimmage. Um, he's a little

522
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: bit laid out of his pedal, but he can find

523
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 1: the ball. He's very aware. I thought you can use him.

524
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: He's a good cover two guys, well you want to

525
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: sprinkle that him. Just a toughness and the instincts. The

526
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: interesting thing on the Texas corner Holton Hill is I

527
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: thought the instincts were better than the production. So he

528
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 1: had two picks, but I thought he had a nice job.

529
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: Doesn't take the cheese and try and hit him on

530
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: double moves a couple of games I've watched. Doesn't take it,

531
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: very aware, very instinctive. I just wish you had a

532
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: little bit more ball production to go with that this year.

533
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: Uh and then was suspended for three games as well,

534
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: So you gotta kind of sort through that stuff. Yeah,

535
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: you gotta sort through and see what's in the background,

536
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: what what is plaguing him just keeping him off the field,

537
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: because on the field, there's a lot to like about

538
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: his tape and how he plays. A couple of the

539
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: guys UM talked about MJ. Stewart and Avonte Maddox from

540
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: pitt and I have I like Vonte Maddox and Stewart

541
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: to me are kind of third third round type players.

542
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: I would agree both can play, play inside, tough, icty,

543
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 1: competitive like that about him. Nick Nelson from Wisconsin, who

544
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: has a bzilion p bus and I think maybe only

545
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 1: one interception, so that's a problem. Was a knock off.

546
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: That's a problem because anytime you get your hands on

547
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: that many balls and you only have one interception, like

548
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: it means you can't catch you, you you can't find a ball.

549
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: There's something in the ball tracking process that you're lacking.

550
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: And it's unlikely that a guy like this will ever

551
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: be a high volume interception guy. And so you have

552
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: to understand that he's gonna get a lot of knockdowns,

553
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: but he's not going to turn the ball over for

554
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: your team. Yeah, no question. So that's uh, let me

555
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 1: give you the exact numbers on that. I don't want

556
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,719
Speaker 1: to make sure that I don't screw that up on

557
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: On Nelson here, Nick Nelson, let's see here here he

558
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: is he had forty two career p bus and zero interceptions,

559
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: so it didn't have didn't have a single pick, forty

560
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: touched the ball forty two times in the problem. That

561
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: ain't good. Uh. Dj Read from Kansas State's another inside

562
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: guy that I like is just a little over five

563
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: and ran four or five one. Another tough, instinctive player

564
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: at four round four, round five and that mix good player.

565
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: Anthony Averett from Alabama. I think he's got some inside

566
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: outside flexibility there. He's kind I have him in that

567
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: same range third, fourth round right on there. So that's

568
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: the corners. Let's jump over the safeties here right again.

569
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: I still have more safeties to watch, but I think

570
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: i've I've done most of the top guys here. Uh,

571
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: top tier. We've talked about Minca and Derwin and how um,

572
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: don't be shocked I have Minka over Derwin, but don't

573
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 1: don't be shocked. Drwin goes first, right, So that's to me,

574
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: that's really Tier one as those two guys. Then I

575
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: get to the next tier again, I probably would just

576
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: go with two names, and that's with Ronnie Harrison and

577
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: Jesse Bates. However you want to order those Jessie Bates,

578
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: a pure free safety UM who I think has some

579
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: cover ability. If you wanted him to play corner from

580
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: from wake, it is a nice job. And then Ronnie

581
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: Harrison I think probably gonna be Yeah, he can play both,

582
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: but I think you're probably gonna want to drop him

583
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: down to let him be a forced player against the run.

584
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of that second tier for me.

585
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: Those two guys, Yeah, this kind of us see him. Uh,

586
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: it really depends on what you're looking for. When I

587
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: watched Bates, uh, I mean I just thought he was

588
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: solid overall. I thought he could He's a guy that,

589
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: uh may not necessarily make a ton of splash plays,

590
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: even though he did have a pretty good year um

591
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: apreciuly when he had five or six interceptions. He has

592
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: baseball in his background, so you know he can track

593
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: the ball as a former baseball player. And then Ronnie

594
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: Harrison is just a guy that can kind of creep

595
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: down in the box and he doesn't mind mixing it

596
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: up against the run. It comes down to what do

597
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: you need, What are you looking for at the position?

598
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,239
Speaker 1: Do you want a military field player. If you do,

599
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: that's Bates. If you want a guy that can kind

600
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: of come and be a factor against the run. I

601
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: think that's Ronnie Harrison. So if you're looking for where

602
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: these guys you know in the draft could fit, I

603
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: think Fitzpatrick and Derwin James I view as top ten

604
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: type players. Bates and Ronnie Harrison UM mid to late

605
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: one is where I have them, and I think Harrison

606
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: will end up going ahead of Bates. Then I have

607
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: some guys with the same grades, but I would put

608
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,239
Speaker 1: in the tier after these guys. I probably would go

609
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: Justin Reid from Stanford will be next, with uh Terrell

610
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: Edmonds from Virginia Tech, and Deshaun Elliott from Texas. That's

611
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: kind of that next here for me. Cam Kelly from

612
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: San Diego State, Uh, just just behind that group. I

613
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: probably would put Cameron Kelly down in that next group. Yeah,

614
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here looking at uh justin reading. I'm looking

615
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: at his card and I'm thinking about the notes that

616
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: I had on him highway speech size. Um. You like

617
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: how he looks, how he moves around on the field,

618
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have she was a little tougher, and you know,

619
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: like the thing is like his brother Eric, his older

620
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 1: brother Eric Um plays but isn't necessarily a trained killer

621
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: as a hitter, and so some of that you wonder

622
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: can you coach up and getting to be just a

623
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: really you know, a little more active and interested in

624
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: being a four or state tight end just just stiff

625
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: armor through him into the ground. That was one of

626
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: the first games that I watched, and I just left

627
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: a bad taste of bad, bad impression. Um, so he's

628
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: one dissension. Uh, let's go back and forth. What do

629
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: you think about de Sean Elliott from Texas? Yeah, I

630
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: mean he the USC game was kind of his high

631
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: water mark. Had a couple of picks in that game.

632
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: The ball found him and uh and made some plays.

633
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: I think he's a little bit tight. So in terms

634
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: of some of the flexibility to be able to drop

635
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,239
Speaker 1: down and cover, I don't think he gives you that.

636
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of a floater. Uh, a float

637
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: over top is not a bad thing. I think he's

638
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: a free safety. But uh, yeah, I mean I think

639
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: he's I think he's a good not great player. To me,

640
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: he's in that. Yeah, he's more of like a late

641
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: too early three type player. I think so. And then

642
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: you know the thing about safeties, so funny because safety

643
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: is the position is such a subjective position that depending

644
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: on where you go, what you're asked to do in

645
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: the system that you're playing, and you can go play

646
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: for a bunch of years and no one ever really

647
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: notice you or notice what your flaws and weakness are.

648
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: But then you have other guys who they play in

649
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: a system that really puts them on the island that

650
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: kind of exposes they're a building their potential. I think

651
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: with Deshon Elliott, um, it is all scheme dependent. What

652
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: are you doing? What are you gonna ask him to do?

653
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: How are you gonna ask him to play and perform? Um?

654
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: Solid nothing splash you not spectacular about him? Um. I

655
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: think a lot of these guys are kind of like

656
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: the same guy like and that's why you have them

657
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: all clumped together because they really don't stand out like that. Yeah.

658
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: I actually going back to Deshaun Elliott, I had him

659
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: down as kind of a he was a poor man's

660
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: Marcus Williams uh coming out last year. We saw unfortunate

661
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: miss tackle that he had in the UH in the

662
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: playoffs there, but that's who we kind of remind me of.

663
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: Good ball skills, got some range, is a high safety. Okay,

664
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: then next bottom tier here this you know, third tier,

665
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: actually the fourth tier after the guys we've been talking about.

666
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: Then I would have I really like, uh, Tracy Walker

667
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: from Louisiana Lafayette, You've got our money, Watts from Texas

668
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: A and M. Because you're white, who I guess A

669
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: lot of teams are grading him as a will linebacker.

670
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: That's Kevin White's brother there at West Virginia six one,

671
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: seven to eighteen. A lot of people think he'll drop

672
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: down there. Marcus Allen very similar. So I have kind

673
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: of White and Allen together down there as those physical guys,

674
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: got some size, you can drop him down. And then

675
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: Watson Walker. I think you play those as the as

676
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: the high safety. So that's that next year of high safeties.

677
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: It's this is what goes on, by the way, if

678
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: you're listening to this, this is what goes on in

679
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: the room. You're taking them saying these are similar type players.

680
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: They function in the same manner, So let's sign about

681
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: sort them out. Cluster bust. Yeah, clus to us is

682
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: what we do on path to draft. How do we

683
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: restack them, uh for our own team? How we take

684
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: this clump of players and if they all were sitting

685
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: on the board, how we rank them and prioritize them

686
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: based on what our system is and how we envision

687
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: them playing. All right, there's a quick look there at

688
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: the dB position in this year's draft class. Uh, real quick,

689
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: before we get to this D. D. Westbrook interview, Buck,

690
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: what goes on during these team visits? You can bring

691
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: them in. Now you've got the thirty visits. You bring

692
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: in thirty players come to your facility. What goes on there?

693
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: You know? The funny thing about the visitor visits are

694
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: like a great time sometimes the scouse and sometimes and

695
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: not a lot of times. We were in when the

696
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: guys did a visit because we were beginning to kind

697
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: of finalize what's going on with the draft meetings and

698
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: the board, and so those guys were popping we were

699
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: talking to him. But really it's a great opportunity for

700
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: them to get with our coaches and so they'll spend

701
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: half of the day working with the coaches, talking to

702
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: the coaches about football, watching tape with the coaches. Really

703
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: eight in an extensive get to know you session, Because,

704
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: as we've talked about on the podcast before, you really

705
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: don't know these players. You it seems like you've been

706
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: around him enough to know him. But as an area scout,

707
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: you you go to the school call, you see him

708
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: a couple of times, you may have a conversation or two.

709
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: You get around him at the All Star Game. If

710
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: they're a senior, you can run him at also game.

711
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: You interview him, you talk to him, you engage with

712
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: them over the week. You see him at the combine

713
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: for maybe what amounts to maybe three days, so you

714
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: get a fifteen minute interview if he's one of your

715
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: hot shot guys, and then it's about your interaction at

716
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: the pro day and then the private visit. This visit

717
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: is very important because this is really your time to

718
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: think about and speculate about what this guy could be

719
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: if he comes to your team. So it's huge. Yeah,

720
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: we had, I've I've done a different ways with different teams.

721
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: Um when I was in Baltimore and Cleveland, we usually

722
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: would bring guys in two or three at a time,

723
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: so they come to the facility. If you were a

724
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: scouting the facility, you'd you'd be there. Most of the

725
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: scouts are scattered though you're out in your area, so

726
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: you're not even there for that it's just for the

727
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: guys inside the building. UM. And so you have three

728
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: guys in you. I remember, like me and David Pollock

729
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: talk about this all the time because I you know,

730
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: got him set up when he came in for our

731
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: visit there when he was coming out of the draft

732
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: coming out of Georgia. UM. But you kind of just

733
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: like prayed him around all the different offices. So he

734
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: would go speak with your assistant pro director, your pro director,

735
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: your college director, your GM, your head coach, position coach,

736
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: we would have our salary cap guy would talk to him,

737
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: just because you just get so then what happens is

738
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: so you he goes around all these different offices, everybody's

739
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: asking him different things. Obviously the coaches focusing more on

740
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: scheme stuff. They might have sent him a playbook a

741
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: week before. I'm gonna ask him, see if he can recall,

742
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: draw it up on the board, what he's seeing. UM

743
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: share with him kind of the vision of how he

744
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: would be used and how he feels about that. And

745
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: then at the end of the day, players go off

746
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: to dinner, usually with the position coach or a young scout.

747
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: That was when of my first two years in scouting.

748
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: That was my job to take those guys out. You

749
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: were taken to dinner. Oh yeah, I was dead broke

750
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: and get a chance to go get a nice steak.

751
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: So you're always hoping that they're, you know, say where

752
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: you want to eat. We've got you know, Ruth Chris here,

753
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: Fleming's this, that and the other. You just hope that

754
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: they said a nice restaurant. Bob Sanders, coming out of

755
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: Iowa said, I was all excited. I told my wife

756
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: wasn't given me home late. Um, but don't worry about it.

757
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm taking getting a good dinner. You want to go

758
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: to quiz Nos? Really, Bob, really, this is my this

759
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: wanted benefit of this job, and we're going to quiz Nos.

760
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: At least he was free quiz now. Yeah, but here

761
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: here's what I got a steak. I blame I blame

762
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: you. You You should lead him. Here's here. Here we got Flemings, Flemings, Mashtros, Ruth,

763
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: Driss which one. He said, I'm a little tired, just

764
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: want you got a quiz Nos around And I'm like, yeah,

765
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: I actually we don't have should have said it was

766
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: right next to his hotel. I didn't gonna light to him,

767
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: Bob Sanders, get the biggest traps ever see in my life. Yeah, no,

768
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: we can get yours to go. Yeah, get I'll be back.

769
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: We'll so'll take it to Fleming's, you know who. I

770
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: had a great dinner with Jamal Brown, remember when he

771
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: was Okaho? What was Chris and he? I don't remember what.

772
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: I remember the bill coming buck and I remember thinking like,

773
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: I hope I have enough room on this card. I

774
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: don't even though if I cover this thing. He was

775
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: he like he eat the whole meal, and I was like,

776
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: good dinner. How Jama was nice? He's like, all right,

777
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: uh waiter, yep, let's go another round. I think another

778
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: steak in this. I was like, oh crap, this problem. Yeah.

779
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: We had a good time though. But anyway, so that's

780
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: kind of what goes on what I was getting to

781
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: at the end of the day though, Um, all those

782
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: people that met with him will get in a room

783
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: and you'll compare notes. What do you see? What do

784
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: you think? Dada? And obviously the physical going through the

785
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: doctors and all that. Remember picking up Jonathan Vilma, And

786
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: first of all, he was just in a bad mood

787
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: the whole time because we we he was not gonna

788
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: be there when we picked. He knew it. He was

789
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: not happy and he was like, oh, we gotta okay,

790
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: we gotta go. And there was something going on at

791
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: the hospital we normally go to, so I had to

792
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: take him, Like Johns Hopkins. It was a long drive.

793
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: I wasn't happy and I've talked to him since then.

794
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: He's great dude, but he did not want to be there.

795
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: You know, defense players a little different. We had who

796
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: do we have it? God linebacker? Oh yeah, Georgia. It's

797
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: been a little time on that visit. An interesting visit.

798
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: Remember that Combine interview. We had a nice dinner. The

799
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: one thing we do we ate, Will Carolina, we ate.

800
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: We were nice dinners. We take we take the whole

801
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: group out though whoever came in. So we take four

802
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: or five guys all out coaches every one day long.

803
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: There was a marathon dinner. But who's holding me making

804
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: that call? Ontut on that? Well, I mean, it's it's

805
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: your meeting as a staff at the Combine. A lot

806
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: of times you'll be in the Combine interview and the

807
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: Combine interviews fifteen minutes. You get to the end of

808
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,479
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, and you hadn't even begun to delve in issues.

809
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: And we're like, well, we will see you at the

810
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: facility here. And the biggest thing is you feel bad

811
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: for the guys that blew up at their pro day

812
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: that we're non combine guys because every team is scrambled.

813
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: I remember remember Sean a Spencer the corners hit. He

814
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: was coming out. He might have had a top second round.

815
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: We're in the second round, but he didn't go to

816
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: the combine. He had to go visit like twentysomething teams,

817
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: like maybe six teams. So trying to get his agent

818
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: on the phone to get him a visit was darnire impossible.

819
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: But there's wasn't enough time. He's going here and there

820
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: and there. He must have been exhausted. We've had some

821
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: guys on the on the car wash come in that

822
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of visits to on top of

823
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: like coming to see the media. I mean, well, this

824
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: is like guys are doing some trap. Normally, it's like

825
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: normal visits probably for the top players talking about visit

826
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: maybe six to ten teams. We're talking like twenty plus teams,

827
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: so it's it's nuts. But anyways, it was all about

828
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: the free meal. That was nice. All right, Let's get

829
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: to our D. D. Westbrook interview before we get out

830
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: of here or get a chance to visit with him again,

831
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: be on the lookout for the three sixty episode on

832
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield coming down the pipeline here in a little

833
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: bit um this uh, this portion or the portion of

834
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: this interview where we talked about Mayfield will be there.

835
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 1: So if you're wondering why we're not asking Mayfield questions,

836
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: we're saving it. We got some other good stuff here

837
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: from from D. D. Westbrook. So I hope you enjoyed

838
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: this one. Deed. What's it like looking back at last

839
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: year at this time for you going through the whole

840
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: draft experience? How was that for you? It was pretty

841
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: stressful for me, uh, me and myself and my family,

842
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, from all

843
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: the training, all the work you put in, you know,

844
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: all the way up to this point. You you you've

845
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: worked hard throughout your college career and at the end

846
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: of the day is just all about where you're gonna

847
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: get picked up next and where is your next city

848
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: gonna be. What did what did you learn about yourself

849
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: doing the process? You talked about all the training and

850
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: everything with your family. But what lessons did you take

851
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 1: from the process that helped you your rookie season. Oh man,

852
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: just to be patient and everything happened for a reason,

853
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, like I said,

854
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: you've been training, You've been working hard all the way

855
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: up to this point, you know, throughout your whole life,

856
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: your whole career, and here it is all unfolding right

857
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: here before yours. Now we'll get to Baker in a

858
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: little bit, but I know Baker has talked about, you know,

859
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: keeping screen grabs of of of haters, so to speak,

860
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: and and using that as motivation. How much motivation did

861
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: you take from the fact you were the hundred and

862
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: tenth player picked after a wildly productive college career. I

863
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: mean I felt I felt disrespected, actually, you know, I

864
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 1: felt disrespected, just just just like any other competitor out there,

865
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: you know. And for me, I'm looking forward to this season.

866
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm working my tell off, you know, I'm I'm

867
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: trying to go for a thousand yards, receiving this your period,

868
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 1: you know, of course, trying to stay healthy, uh, stay

869
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: away from the injuries. But at the end of the day.

870
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: I'm trying to go up a thousand yards last year.

871
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: Look you're you're only in the seven games you started

872
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: five and look what you did twenty seven catches, three

873
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: thirty nine yards in a touchdown. Six of those catches

874
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: over twenty plus yards. So definitely provide an explosive element

875
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: to this Jags offense. What do you need to do

876
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: in the second year to take your game to the

877
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: next level? Learn defenses a lot better, you know, uh, oh,

878
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, disrespect to the university at all, But I

879
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: was just running to go routes, post routes, you know,

880
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: and simple slant patterns. But at the end of the day,

881
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't really taught the defenses and how

882
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: they brought and how they were brought down. But with

883
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: coach McCardell and all the coaches at the at the

884
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: Jaguars facility, they've been helping me with that, and so

885
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: that's one of my strengths. Now. I'm getting better with

886
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: that each and every day, and so just equipping that

887
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: into my game and would I already have going on now.

888
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: It's funny that you mentioned Kena McCardell. Kenna and I

889
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: played together in Jacksonville in the nineties. What has that

890
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 1: relationship been like to have a former player, a guy

891
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: that has played for a long time. What is it

892
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: that relationship being having a position coach that you know

893
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: has played and been in your shoes. It's tough. It's

894
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: very tough because most coaches that haven't really played the

895
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: and you can kind of b y s around, you know,

896
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: get around some of it. But for him, he's seen

897
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: it all, he's done it all, you know, and of

898
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: course he's been around really great players like himself, and

899
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: so everything is work, dedication. You You gotta come to work,

900
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: ready to work. It's Blake Bortle is good enough for

901
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: you guys to win a Super Bowl with him? Did

902
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: almost definitely tell me a little bit, Tell me what

903
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: what don't we know about Blake Bortles that you know

904
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: after playing with him, he likes to take chances. And

905
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: for me, a guy like myself, that that's what I like.

906
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: You know, whenever there's tight coverage and you still thought

907
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: about to me expecting me to pull it down like

908
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: I do in practice, you know, I can work with that,

909
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, And so for me, I just got to

910
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: continue to make those plays and continue to separate myself,

911
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: and he just continued to trust in me and throw it.

912
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: You know, d D. There are a lot of people

913
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: on the outside. They would say, your team has lost

914
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: Alan Hearns and Allen Robinson. You have yourself and a

915
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: bunch of young guys that are gonna kind of pick

916
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: up the pieces, and you signed Dante Moncrief. Why wild

917
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: next year's version of the Jags be better than the

918
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: version that we saw this year, Because at the end

919
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: of the day, those young guys they were once younger,

920
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: got a year under their belt, and so and for

921
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: us young looking up, you know, you think the NFL

922
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: is tough and it's difficult, but at the end of

923
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 1: the day, it's all football. We didn't got that year

924
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: under our belt, and so we're just ready to go

925
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: out and explore everybody's defense. And I want you to

926
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: tell me about what you got going on with Go Crazy, man,

927
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: Explain girl Crazy to me. What's this whole thing all about?

928
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: Go Crazy? Uh, it's a brand that I just started,

929
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: but it's something that I've been using since I was

930
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: eleven years old, and and what it came from it

931
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: I was a kid growing up. I watched my mother

932
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: struggle with me and three of my other siblings, and

933
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, it took me coming in at like four

934
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. You know, I overheard her client

935
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: in the room and she had a bill in her hand,

936
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: and so I went in and I was like, Mines,

937
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: everything okay, and she was just like, yes, everything is fine.

938
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: You know, I just don't know how I'm gonna end

939
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: up paying the bills and getting all you got school

940
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: clothes and all this together before school starts, you know.

941
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: And and while we were sitting there talking to one another,

942
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: I made a promise to her, and I told there,

943
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: no matter the situation, no matter what the cause, maybe

944
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go crazy and everything that I do from

945
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: here on out. And you know, she looked at me

946
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: and she smiled and she made me promise her that.

947
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: And so from that point, you know, I used go

948
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: crazy as like motivation, and and I wanted to word

949
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: around on my chest because no matter what it is

950
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: that I'm going through, no matter what it is that

951
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm doing, that I'm gonna go crazy for me, my

952
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: mother and everybody else out there. And I know it's

953
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: some kids out there were similar stories like mine or

954
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: if not like my worst than mine. And I just

955
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: want them to know that, you know, you can go

956
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: crazy for your dreams, no matter what it is that

957
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: you're trying to achieve, no matter what it is you're

958
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: going through. Go crazy. Do you can you listen to

959
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: Prince the song go Crazy while you were go Crazy?

960
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 1: Is that just like taking the top? Most? Definitely? Most definitely?

961
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: All right, that's that's what I'm gonna do that. I

962
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: need some Go Crazy. I'll download the song. It will

963
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: all go crazy. Everybody's going crazy? Hey, where can that?

964
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: Where can folks find it? By the way, if they

965
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: want to get some some go crazy gear. If you

966
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: want to get some crazy gear, go to the Instagram

967
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Speaker 1: at go Crazy e n T twel and the link

968
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Speaker 1: is on the bio. All right, we are We're on it.

969
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: We were goet some go Crazy gear for the movie

970
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: sticks podcasts here. HEYDDI, thank you so much for your time. Man.

971
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 1: We wish you the best of luck in the future.

972
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me great conversation with Dede Westbrook

973
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: and trust me about the good stuff. The folks at

974
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: home haven't even heard it yet, because that's gonna be

975
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: on our Baker Mayfield three sixty look just one of

976
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: my favorite receivers. When he was in the draft a

977
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 1: season ago, I thought he's one of the best wide receivers.

978
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: I think he teased us a little bit when you

979
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: get a chance to get on the field. I'm looking

980
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 1: forward to him doing big things, like kind of digging

981
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: into his mind a little bit. That's uh, that's gonna

982
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: do it. For today's episode, though, the three sixty series

983
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: is humming right along. We've got se Kwon Barkley getting

984
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: released this week, so'll be on the lookout for that one.

985
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: Uh some some fascinating conversations they're talking with his coach,

986
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: talking with this high school coach again. Some some good

987
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: stuff there on se Kwon Barkley. Be on the lookout

988
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: for that. The three sixty series just continues to roll

989
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: right along, and be sure to check out the videos.

990
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991
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992
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