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Speaker 1: and one that feared God and is chewed evil. Job

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Speaker 1: won one. Dear Father, thank you for sharing the story

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Speaker 1: of Job in your word. He was both a noble

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Speaker 1: man of integrity as well as human, and therefore subject

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Speaker 1: to the same passions we all are. He lived in

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Speaker 1: accordance with your divine loss, and you prospered him with

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Speaker 1: your favor. For his obedience, He worshiped you in spirit

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Speaker 1: and in truth in all his interactions. He shunned evil

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Speaker 1: and was blameless in your sight. His faithfulness towards you

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Speaker 1: was sincere and came from his honest heart. I long

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Speaker 1: to be pleasing in your sight and be filled with

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Speaker 1: the kind of spiritual integrity that will be an inspiration

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Speaker 1: to others. Because Job honored you in all his conversations

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Speaker 1: him perfect. My desire is to allow you to work

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Speaker 1: in my life and perfect your plan and purpose for me.

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Speaker 1: Remove the impediments that block your life from flowing through me.

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Speaker 1: Where there is a stain of sin, wash it in

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Speaker 1: your blood and bring healing to my soul. Give me

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Speaker 1: the discernment I need to avoid all evil and the

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Speaker 1: deceptive traps of the enemy in Jesus' name. Amen, thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening to today's Daily Prayer for more inspiration

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Speaker 1: and an incredible message from our feature pastor stay tuned

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Speaker 1: to pray dot COM's Sunday service.

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Speaker 2: Let me just say that when Jesus says, beginning with

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Speaker 2: a question, really a comment from a listener who had

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Speaker 2: I also have another question regarding the beginning of the universe.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get into all that a little bit

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Speaker 2: want to bail yourselves off? And we'll talk about this

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Speaker 2: There's a near term fulfillment and a long term fulfillment. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: You know, some of the liberals will say, oh, you

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Speaker 2: bloodline of Jesus. And then you've got Rehab, also a prostitute.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Rehab was in the ancestry of Boaz.

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Speaker 2: We talked about Boaz in this series last night, which

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Speaker 2: again you can see on YouTube. And then you've got Ruth,

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Speaker 2: who's a mole Biteis. We talked about her as well.

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Speaker 2: She's not a Hebrew, she's in the bloodline of the Messiah.

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Speaker 2: And then you have Bathsheba. But the interesting thing is

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Speaker 2: in Matthew, Bathsheba in his genealogy in Matthew chapter one

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Speaker 2: doesn't use Bathsheba's name. What does he say instead? He says,

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Speaker 2: you're Rayah's wife, Eiah's wife. What is that? That's a slam?

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Speaker 2: Why is it a slam? Because Matthew's telling the truth,

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Speaker 2: but he's telling the truth in an embarrassing way. He's

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Speaker 2: saying that David was wrong, obviously to impregnate Bathsheba and

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Speaker 2: then kill Uriah to cover up the crime, but he

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Speaker 2: highlights that in the genealogy, he says Solomon, whose mother

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Speaker 2: had been Uriah's wife, he doesn't even say Bathsheba. This

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Speaker 2: is embarrassing, and as we've talked about several times on

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Speaker 2: this program, embarrassing testimony is one of the reasons for

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Speaker 2: us to believe that both the Old and New Testaments

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Speaker 2: are telling the truth, because you don't find this anywhere else.

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Speaker 2: You don't find embarrassing testimony admitted by the writers of

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Speaker 2: their own history. For example, when you go to Egypt,

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Speaker 2: where we just were last the monuments to the pharaohs

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Speaker 2: are all monuments of propaganda on how great the current

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Speaker 2: pharaoh is. In fact, current pharaohs new pharaohs would etch

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Speaker 2: out scrape off the names of the old pharaohs and say,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm the greatest pharaoh and the pharaoh is God.

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Speaker 2: So nothing embarrassing could ever take place in a pharaoh's life.

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Speaker 2: But the Bible is filled with embarrassing details and stories

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Speaker 2: and people and events of the supposed heroes of Judah

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Speaker 2: and Israel, and even the supposed heroes of the New

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Speaker 2: Testament filled with embarrassing details, which is why Dennis Praeger,

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Speaker 2: conservative Jewish man not a Christian, says this, one of

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Speaker 2: the main reasons I know the Old Testament is true

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Speaker 2: is because no people group would ever invent such an

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Speaker 2: embarrassing history of themselves. Yeah, I mean, whole Old Testament

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Speaker 2: is how evil the Israelites are. And I would ask

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Speaker 2: Dennis this question. If embarrassing testimony is evidence for the

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Speaker 2: Old Testament being true, isn't it also evidence for the

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Speaker 2: New Testament being true, because there's a lot of embarrassing

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Speaker 2: things that happened to the Apostles and even to Jesus

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Speaker 2: that they never would have invented. Yeah, I would think

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Speaker 2: I would think that would hold if it's if embarrassing

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Speaker 2: testimony shows the Old Testament is telling the truth, it

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Speaker 2: should also show the New Testaments telling the truth. In

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Speaker 2: any event, there are so many parallels between the Battle

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Speaker 2: of Jericho and the Book of Revelation that some of

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Speaker 2: you're probably gonna go, Okay, what does this mean for

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Speaker 2: our interpretation of the Book of Revelation. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if it means a lot for our interpretation, other than

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Speaker 2: to realize again that the Bible is not just literally true,

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Speaker 2: it's literarily true. That you can see parallels between events

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Speaker 2: in the Old Testament and events in the New Time Testament,

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Speaker 2: and even events in the future, because that's how God

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Speaker 2: gets his point across. He emphasizes certain things by putting,

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Speaker 2: by highlighting what happens and foreshadowing what will happen by

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Speaker 2: current events. Looking forward, you should see maybe some of

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Speaker 2: these things reoccurring. Looking backward, you can say, wow, look

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Speaker 2: at all these characteristics in Jesus's life. Well, people like

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Speaker 2: Isaac and Moses and Joshua and Boaz and David and

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Speaker 2: Jonah and Noah. All these people have characteristics in their

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Speaker 2: lives that Jesus has in his life. This is a

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Speaker 2: tapestry put together by a divine hand through the hands

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Speaker 2: of men, that God has inspired men living in different

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Speaker 2: places at different times to write all this down, and

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Speaker 2: it peers it requires a divine hand to do so,

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Speaker 2: because this could not be coordinated, certainly not in ancient

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Speaker 2: times when people didn't even know one another. And yet

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Speaker 2: they're writing about the same things. So Joshua is a conqueror,

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Speaker 2: whereas Isaac is a sacrificial son, Joseph's savior, Moses' a liberator,

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Speaker 2: Joshua is a conqueror. And then we're in future shows.

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Speaker 2: We talked a little bit about Boaz last night. You

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Speaker 2: can look at the YouTube if you want to see

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Speaker 2: more of that. We're going to in future shows talk

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Speaker 2: about David, Jonah, Josea, Daniel, and Esther. These are all

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Speaker 2: types of Christ to a certain extent. So check out

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Speaker 2: the Bible You Never Knew series on YouTube. As I say,

501
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Speaker 2: you only see one of the episodes up there. We'll

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Speaker 2: release the whole set next year sometime when we're done

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Speaker 2: with it. There's also these characteristics in the text that

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Speaker 2: might not be obvious at a casual reading, but on

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Speaker 2: a deeper reading you can see them, and they're called

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Speaker 2: kiasms from the Greek letter Kai think of a greater

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Speaker 2: sign for example. This is hard to describe on radio,

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Speaker 2: so I'm just going to do it very briefly. But

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Speaker 2: in the West, we typically look for a climax toward

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Speaker 2: the end of the story, that that's the central theme

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Speaker 2: of the story, is toward the end the Greeks and

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Speaker 2: the Hebrews would often make the climax the middle the

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Speaker 2: middle line is the focal point, and there are kiasms

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Speaker 2: throughout the scriptures. There are big kiasms, like whole books

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Speaker 2: are chiastic, where the central point is the point that

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Speaker 2: is what people should be directed to by the text,

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Speaker 2: and then there are little kaiasms that occur over the

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Speaker 2: space of a few verses, like, for example, in the

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Speaker 2: Book of Ruth. This is probably been read at a

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Speaker 2: wedding where Ruth says, where you go, I will go,

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Speaker 2: and where you stay, I will stay. Your people will

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Speaker 2: be my people, and your God my god. Where you die,

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Speaker 2: I will die, and where and there I will be buried.

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Speaker 2: People read that at weddings and it's so nice and

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Speaker 2: it's such a great sentiment, But it has nothing to

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Speaker 2: do with weddings. Ruth wasn't saying this to a spouse.

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Speaker 2: Ruth was saying this to her mother in law, Naomi. Okay.

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Speaker 2: But people take it out of context and say, I

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Speaker 2: like that, so I'm gonna apply it to my life. Okay,

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Speaker 2: But that is a kiasm. What do I mean by that?

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Speaker 2: It builds up to a central point. What's the central point?

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Speaker 2: The central point of the kiasm is your people will

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Speaker 2: be my people, and your God my God. That's the

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Speaker 2: senseentral point. And as I say, some books are chiastic,

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Speaker 2: the entire book is chiastic. Where the central line is

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Speaker 2: where your attention ought to be directed to. Do you

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Speaker 2: know what the central line of the Gospel of Mark is?

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Speaker 2: The central line is where in the transfiguration. Let me

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Speaker 2: find the line directly here for a second, because I

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Speaker 2: want to make sure I get it right. I think,

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Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, it's Mark chapter nine. I want

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Speaker 2: to look it up. I think it's nine to seven.

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Speaker 2: But I'm doing this for memory, so let me see

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Speaker 2: if I'm right, Mark nine to seven. Yeah, this is it.

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Speaker 2: This is the center of the Gospel of Mark. Chiastically.

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Speaker 2: It builds up to this point and then it recedes

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Speaker 2: in a mirror like fashion from that point. This is

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Speaker 2: in the middle of the train transfiguration. Then a cloud

549
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Speaker 2: appeared and covered them in a voice came from the cloud,

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Speaker 2: this is my son whom I love. Listened to him.

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Speaker 2: So God at the transfiguration is telling everyone that Jesus

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Speaker 2: is his son. Listened to him. That's the central point

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Speaker 2: in the Gospel of Mark, and scholars have identified that

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Speaker 2: being the central point. And if you consider that as

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Speaker 2: the central point, it makes a lot of sense that

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Speaker 2: you ought to be listening to Jesus. Okay, so there

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Speaker 2: are these kiasms. That's why, as I say, the Bible

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Speaker 2: is not just literally true, it's literarily true. They use

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Speaker 2: literary devices like kiasms to get your attention to say,

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Speaker 2: this is the main point you ought to walk away with.

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Speaker 2: All right, let me see you what else? What else

562
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Speaker 2: we need to talk about with regard to this, Well,

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Speaker 2: there's more coming to say that when Jesus says, beginning

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Speaker 2: with Moses and all the prophets, Jesus explained to them

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Speaker 2: what was said in all the scriptures concerning himself. He's

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Speaker 2: telling the truth that if you look at the Old

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Speaker 2: Testament with an eye toward identifying these typologies, with an

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Speaker 2: eye toward identifying these prophecies, with an eye toward identifying

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Speaker 2: these theophanies, you will see that the Old Testament is

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Speaker 2: telling you about Jesus before Jesus ever comes. In fact,

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Speaker 2: we could put it this way. In the Old Testament,

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Speaker 2: Christ is present in Theophanes. That's when people show up

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Speaker 2: like the Prianna Carneate, Christ outside of Jericho. He's patterned

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Speaker 2: in types. So Joshua is a type, as we mentioned,

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Speaker 2: so is Isaac, So's Moses, So's Jonahs, So's David. And

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Speaker 2: he's promised in prophecies. He's present in theophanies, patterned in types,

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Speaker 2: promised in prophecies. And when you look at the Book

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Speaker 2: of Revelation in the Battle of Jericho, you go wow,

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Speaker 2: look at all these parallels. Now, let's get out. Go

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Speaker 2: to a couple of questions that the first isn't a question.

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Speaker 2: The first is a great insight. It comes from Rebecca.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, if you want to send a

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Speaker 2: question or comment in, it's Hello at Cross Examined dot org.

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Speaker 2: Hellow at Cross Examined dot org. I'm sorry I can't

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Speaker 2: get to all of them, but we do our best here.

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Speaker 2: This comes from Rebecca. Check this out has to do

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Speaker 2: with child abuse, she says. Dear doctor Frank, thank you

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Speaker 2: for all your amazing biblical teaching. You and your ministry

589
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: have truly been a tremendous blessing in my life. I'm

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Speaker 2: so incredibly sorry for the loss of your dear friend Charlie.

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Speaker 2: He was certainly a precious human being, and we greatly missed.

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Speaker 2: I pray for you every day. Thank you, Rebecca. She

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Speaker 2: was on to say, I wanted to share with you

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Speaker 2: that I one hundred percent agree with you when you say,

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Speaker 2: if there is no God, then nothing is right or wrong.

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Speaker 2: I was abused in my childhood and for many years

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Speaker 2: I felt as though no one cared. It was the

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Speaker 2: worst feeling. It almost drove me to insanity and I

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Speaker 2: probably wouldn't be alive. I self mutilated and even considered

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Speaker 2: transitioning to a man at one point in my life

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Speaker 2: because I thought I would be safer, not because I

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Speaker 2: actually believed I was in the wrong body. Life was

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Speaker 2: very confusing, but I knew this one fact. If I

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Speaker 2: knew nothing else, God cared about what happened to me.

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Speaker 2: He knew it was wrong. He would bring me justice,

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Speaker 2: He would make all wrongs right. There had to be

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Speaker 2: a God. I recall someone asking you if a child

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Speaker 2: abuse or repents, did they go to heaven? That is,

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Speaker 2: in fact, a very very difficult question. And I thought

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Speaker 2: about it for a very very long time, and this

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Speaker 2: is what I concluded with the help of the Holy Spirit.

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Speaker 2: And I could only speak for myself for my own

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Speaker 2: personal experience. If I saw my abuser in heaven. By

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Speaker 2: the grace of God, I will be there. Seeing him

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00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: would actually bring healing, because then that would mean he

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Speaker 2: realized that what he did was wrong, he was sorry

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Speaker 2: and asked Jesus to forgive him, and if he is

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Speaker 2: in heaven, then it was true repentance. But if he

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Speaker 2: isn't in heaven, then it would mean he didn't think

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Speaker 2: what he did was wrong, he wasn't sorry, and he

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Speaker 2: didn't ask Jesus to forgive him. That would be sad.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about this perspective? Maybe it can

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Speaker 2: help someone. Thank you, Frank for all you do. Blessing

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Speaker 2: to Rebecca. Rebecca, I think that's a great insight. I

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Speaker 2: think you are correct because the sacrifice of Jesus can

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Speaker 2: pay for any sin. It's grace. You can't earn it.

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Speaker 2: He paid the price for all of the evil that

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Speaker 2: all of us have done. But that can only be

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Speaker 2: appropriated and applied to you if you choose to have

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Speaker 2: it applied to you. Because God is not going to

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Speaker 2: force anybody into heaven against their will. If you don't

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Speaker 2: want Jesus now, you're not going to want him in eternity.

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Speaker 2: And Jesus is in eternity. So when you do get

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Speaker 2: to heaven and you see people that have sinned against you,

635
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Speaker 2: even completely heinous crimes like child abuse, first of all,

636
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: you're not going to have a sin nature. He is

637
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 2: not going to have a sin nature. And all of

638
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: that will have been paid for on the cross. All

639
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: the sins will have been paid for on the cross.

640
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: So I think you are correct. It would be healing.

641
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: And look, there's only two things you can get in

642
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: after life. You can either get justice or you can

643
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: get grace. Does any of us really want justice from

644
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: an infinitely just being God. No, I don't want justice.

645
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: I want grace. And if people don't want grace, then

646
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: they'll get justice. That's why I think by the way,

647
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: people will say, well, how can you enjoy heaven when

648
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: you know your loved ones are in hell. If they

649
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: are in hell and they're being punished at the appropriate

650
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: level of punishment, that's their choice. They made that choice.

651
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 2: Justice is a good thing. Grace is a better thing.

652
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: But if you don't want justice, or I should say,

653
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: if you don't want grace, you're going to get justice.

654
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: Nobody in heaven and nobody in hell is going to

655
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: be treated unfairly. In heaven, you're going to be treated

656
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: with grace. In Hell, you're going to be treated with justice.

657
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 2: Both are fair. In fact, grace is more than fair.

658
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: You're getting something you don't deserve. You're getting you're getting forgiveness,

659
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: and you're getting paradise. Where in hell you're getting what

660
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: you deserve. You're getting justice, and justice is a good thing.

661
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: There are people fighting for justice, they say they are anyway,

662
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: on college campuses, everywhere and throughout society. I'm fighting for justice.

663
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: I'm fighting for justice. Be careful. You might just get it. Yeah,

664
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: you might just get it. I mean, you'll get me wrong.

665
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: It's good to fight for justice here on earth. But

666
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: it's amazing how many people want justice here on earth,

667
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: but they don't want it in the afterlife. That's where

668
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,479
Speaker 2: you're heading. You're either going to pay for your sins

669
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: or Jesus is going to pay for your sins. If

670
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: you pay for your sins, you'll get justice. If Jesus

671
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: pays for your sins, you get grace. So I think

672
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: it's a tremendous insight, Rebecca. I think you're correct that

673
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 2: when you see people who have sinned against you, and

674
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: when people see you and you've sinned against them and

675
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 2: you're in heaven. That's all going to be washed away.

676
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: All that animosity, all that pain is going to be

677
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 2: washed away because you don't have this in nature anymore.

678
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: You don't have the angst anymore, the anxiety anymore, you

679
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: don't have the pain anymore, you don't have the tears anymore.

680
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: All that's going to be gone, and you can all

681
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 2: rejoice in the Savior that he saved both of you.

682
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: Because it's not like you deserve to be in heaven either.

683
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: I don't deserve to be. There's no deserve. We're all sinners.

684
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: We've all sinned, and now we need a savior. And

685
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: once we have a savior, we should put sin behind us.

686
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: We should live for him to the best of our ability.

687
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: With the help of the spirit, we don't keep sinning,

688
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: so grace can abound. Paul says, may that never be.

689
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 2: In fact, it's been put this way. If you're living

690
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: like hell, you're probably going there, because if your heart

691
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: hasn't been changed by Jesus, then you're not truly saved.

692
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 2: And if your heart has been changed by Jesus, you

693
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 2: should want to follow his commands, not that you're perfect

694
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: in following him, but you should want to you shouldn't

695
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: want to wallow and sin. So it's a great insight. Rebecca.

696
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 2: Thank you for sending it in, and I'm sorry you

697
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 2: had to go through that, but I think the Holy

698
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: Spirit has helped you understand the true reality of sin

699
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: and how wicked it is and how nasty it is

700
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 2: and how off putting it is. But also we have

701
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 2: a great Savior that can cover it all and can

702
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: renew us with Him and our loved ones who have

703
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: also accepted the free gift. By the way, let me

704
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: say one other thing about this. A lot of people

705
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 2: get confused and they think, oh, the reason you go

706
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 2: to Hell is because you don't accept Jesus. No, that's

707
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: not the only reason you go to hell. The reason

708
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: you go to hell is because you've sinned. You know,

709
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: people say, well, do I go to Hell just because

710
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: I don't believe in Jesus. No, you go to hell

711
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 2: because you've sinned. To say that you're going to hell

712
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: just because you don't believe in Jesus, which is a

713
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: sin in itself, because you're rejecting God. But let's leave

714
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: that aside. There are other sins that gets you to

715
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: hell as well. To say that I'm going to hell

716
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: just because I don't even Jesus would be like saying

717
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to die because I don't go to the doctor. No,

718
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: going to the doctor isn't or not going to the

719
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: doctor isn't the reason you die. The reason you die

720
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: is because you have a disease. Now, maybe you could

721
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 2: prevent dying by going to the doctor. The same thing

722
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 2: is true when it comes to salvation. Maybe you could

723
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: prevent eternal death by going to the Great Physician, the

724
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 2: Great Doctor Jesus. But the reason you're gonna die is

725
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: because you have a disease, and the reason you go

726
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: to hell is because you've sinned. The remedy is to

727
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: go to the doctor. So that's up to you. You

728
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: want to go to the doctor. Maybe you can be healed.

729
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: You certainly can be healed if you go to the

730
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 2: Great Doctor, the Great Physician, be healed of your ultimate problem,

731
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: and that is death and separation from God. So great insight, Rebecca,

732
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: thank you so much. Justin writes In and says he's

733
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 2: reading I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.

734
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 2: He says, I'm reading this I don't have enough faith

735
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 2: being atheist. Across the part where it speaks about the

736
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: surge method of explaining the universe, meaning he's talking about

737
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: the evidence that we put in the book by the

738
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: acronym s U rge. Second law thermodynamics, universe expanding radiation afterglow,

739
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 2: great galaxy, seeds in Einstein's theory of general relativity. Okay,

740
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 2: don't have time gunpack all those. He's talking about the

741
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: first one s second law thermodynamics, he says it mentions

742
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: the first law of thermodynamics that all energy is constant

743
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 2: or finite. Actually, the first law of thermidynamics says the

744
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 2: total amount of energy in the universe is constant. In

745
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 2: other words, the only thing that changes is the transition

746
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: from usable energy to unusable energy. There's only a finite

747
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 2: amount of energy in the universe, and the longer the

748
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: universe goes on, the more usable energy is used up,

749
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 2: and therefore we have more unusable energy. In other words,

750
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: we're running out of gas. Think of the universe as

751
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: having a giant gas like a car. Right, you only

752
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: have so much gas in that gas tank. Eventually you're

753
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: going to run out of gas. Now, scientists say it's

754
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: billions of years from now. Don't worry about it. But

755
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: one day all the stars are gonna burn out. We're

756
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 2: gonna go to heat death. Okay, Now, what does this

757
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: have to do with the beginning of the universe. If

758
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: there's only a finite amount of energy out there, if

759
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 2: the universe was eternal, in other words, if it didn't

760
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 2: have a beginning, we'd have run out of energy a

761
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 2: long time ago. Just like if you started driving your

762
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: car an infinitely long time ago, would you have any

763
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: energy left today? No, your gas tank would be empty. Okay,

764
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: So that would mean that if you're driving your car

765
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,919
Speaker 2: right now, you must have started driving a finite time ago.

766
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 2: You can't be driving from all eternity and still have

767
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: gas today. Same thing is true with the universe. The

768
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 2: universe had to have a beginning, because if it didn't

769
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: have a beginning, we would have run out of energy

770
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 2: a long time ago. Anyway, here's the problem for Justin.

771
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: Justin says, I'm doing my own research. I keep coming

772
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 2: across where the first law of energy is indeed constant,

773
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: but it talks about how energy is not created, nor

774
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 2: can it disappear, but it can only be transformed if

775
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 2: we agree that the universe did have a beginning, which

776
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: I believe. Then does the first law contradict itself for

777
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 2: the scientific community. If the universe had a beginning, energy

778
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 2: had to be created, and he has a question mark there. Yeah,

779
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: Because sometimes here's the problem. Sometimes people will state the

780
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 2: first law of thermodynamics this way that energy can be

781
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 2: neither created nor destroyed. But when they say it that way,

782
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: that's a philosophical statement. What they're saying when they say

783
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 2: that is inside the universe a closed system. If nobody

784
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 2: is putting energy in from the outside, then the total

785
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: amount of energy is constant. You can't create energy, you

786
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: can't destroy it, You can only transform it from usable

787
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 2: to unusable. Okay, but that is an atheistic way of

788
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 2: looking at the universe. It's assuming that, first of all,

789
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: nobody put energy in to begin with, and nobody is

790
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: putting energy in from outside the universe. How do you

791
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 2: know that. You can't know that, You can't know that

792
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,959
Speaker 2: nobody created the universe and say there isn't a source

793
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: of energy outside the universe. That's the very question you're investigating.

794
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 2: As we said earlier, if the universe can't create energy

795
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: by itself, we would have run out of energy a

796
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: long time ago if the universe was eternal, because the

797
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: tank would have just run down. Now, there's other evidence

798
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 2: the universe had a beginning. All the evidence points to

799
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: the fact that the universe had a beginning. So if

800
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 2: we have a finite amount of energy now, or a

801
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: finite amount of energy from the beginning, then the universe

802
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: also must have had a beginning. From this second law

803
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: of thermodynamics perspective, because as I said, we would have

804
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: been our guest tank would have been on empty if

805
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: the universe was eternal, if time did not have a beginning.

806
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: So when people state that energy can't be created or destroyed,

807
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 2: that's the philosophical statement that takes an atheistic perspective. If space, time,

808
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: and matter had a beginning, which is what the evidence shows,

809
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 2: there has to be a cause outside of space, time

810
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 2: and matter that brought it into existence. And by definition,

811
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: it would seem that if space, time and matter had

812
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 2: a beginning, the cause would have to at least be spaceless, timeless,

813
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: immaterial powerful to create the universe out of nothing power

814
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 2: energy right, also intelligent to have a mind to make

815
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 2: a choice and personal to choose to make a choice

816
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 2: so that sounds like the attributes of God, a spaceless, timeless, immaterial, powerful, personal,

817
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: intelligent cause that appears to be the cause that gave

818
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 2: the universe its initial amount of energy that we've been

819
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 2: running down ever since. So yes, if the laws of

820
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: nature run this universe, you can't create or destroy energy,

821
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 2: you can only change its form. But that says nothing

822
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 2: about whether or not there's something outside the universe that

823
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: gave it energy to begin with. And since all the

824
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 2: other evidence shows the universe at a beginning, it would

825
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: seem that there is a being out there that infused

826
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: this universe with energy. Of Robert Jastro, who was a

827
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 2: founder of the God the Goddard Space Center, was not

828
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 2: a Christian, was an agnostic, wrote a book called God

829
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 2: in the Astronomers back in the seventies, and then he

830
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 2: updated it in the early nineties, I believe, And he

831
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 2: says that if the universe is winding down, someone must

832
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 2: have wound it up. In other words, someone had to

833
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: instill this universe with energy in the beginning, and then

834
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 2: if you want to say, after that, he just lets

835
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 2: it run down, okay, But of course, if he's outside

836
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 2: the universe, he can intervene in it in at any

837
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 2: time if he wants to. And as we've pointed out elsewhere,

838
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 2: God does three things. He creates, he sustains the universe,

839
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: and he intervenes in the universe through miracles at certain points.

840
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 2: So he creates the universe and the laws that govern it.

841
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 2: Then he sustains the universe and the laws that government.

842
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you ever ask yourself the question why do

843
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 2: the laws of nature exist to begin with? And why

844
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: are they so persistent and consistent, Because there's a mind

845
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Speaker 2: behind it that maintains those laws. Laws come from lawgivers.

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Speaker 2: And this was Aristotle's point. You know, Aristotle didn't think

847
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 2: the universe at a beginning, He thought it was eternal,

848
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Speaker 2: but he still believed there had to be a mind

849
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: outside the universe that created the laws and sustains the

850
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 2: laws every single second. So there's a cause for the

851
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 2: laws every single second. It's not just an historical cause.

852
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 2: It's a cause right now, every single second the universe exists,

853
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 2: it's being sustained by a mind. That's because these laws

854
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 2: are so consistent, persistent, and they go in a direction.

855
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: And Aristotle knew nothing of fine tuning at the time. Now,

856
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 2: when you add fine tuning, you go fine tuning to

857
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: this whole thing. You go, this is beyond any explanation

858
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 2: other than a mind. There's got to be a powerful

859
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: mind out there that created and sustains all of this.

860
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Speaker 2: So let me just wrap it up here by saying

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00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 2: that all the evidence we know about to this point

862
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 2: shows the universe had a beginning. In fact, let me

863
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 2: just add one other thing. This has nothing to do

864
00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 2: with science, it's just philosophy, and this is called the

865
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Speaker 2: column cosmological argument. The time had to have a beginning.

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Speaker 2: How do we know that time had to have a

867
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 2: beginning because if there were an infinite number of days

868
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: before today, the day we're at right now, never would

869
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: have gotten here. Why because you always have to live

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00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 2: another day before you got to today, because there's an

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Speaker 2: infinite number of days. Think about it, If there's an

872
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: infinite number of days before today, would you ever get

873
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 2: to this day? No, you wouldn't because you'd always have

874
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,959
Speaker 2: to live another day because there's an infinite number of days.

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Speaker 2: I realized this can give you intellectual constipation if you

876
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: think about it long enough. But it's simply pointing out

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00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: that there has to be a beginning to time. And

878
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: if there's a beginning to time, whatever created time is

879
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 2: time less outside of time. If you're timeless, do you

880
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 2: have a cause? No, because you don't have a beginning.

881
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,439
Speaker 2: So the question who made God is an illegitimate question

882
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 2: because many nobody made the unmade, nobody created the uncreated.

883
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 2: There has to be an uncaused first cause. That uncaused

884
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 2: first cause is what we mean by God. So since

885
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 2: time couldn't be infinite into the past, it had to

886
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: have a beginning, and whatever created time must also be timeless.

887
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Speaker 2: And by the way, according to Einstein, space, time and

888
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 2: matter are co relative. That's the theory of general relativity.

889
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,479
Speaker 2: They're corelative. They came into existence together. So space, time,

890
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 2: and matter came into existence together. I mean, you can't

891
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 2: have matter without space and time. Where you're gonna put

892
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: matter if you've got no space. They came into existence together,

893
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 2: So space, time, and matter came into existence together, which

894
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: means the cause must be spaceless, timeless and material, powerful, personal,

895
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 2: and intelligent. So the bottom line to this justin is

896
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: when people state that energy camp be created or destroyed,

897
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Speaker 2: that's they're making a philosophical statement. They're assuming atheism. They're

898
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Speaker 2: assuming naturalism. And even if you agree with them that

899
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 2: inside the universe energy can't be created or destroyed, that

900
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 2: says nothing about whether or not there could be an

901
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,919
Speaker 2: outside source that infused energy at the beginning and could

902
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 2: infuse energy later if he wants to. If he wants

903
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 2: to create a new heavens and a new Earth where

904
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 2: none of this runs down, he can do. So that's

905
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: where we're heading, and you can go with him, by

906
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 2: the way, by trusting in Jesus. Because everybody's gonna live

907
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: for eternity. The only question is where everyone's gonna be resurrected.

908
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: The only question is where you're going to be resurrected.

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01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 2: To all right, friends, great being with you. You're not

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01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 2: gonna want to miss the next podcast. We're gonna have

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01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 2: Robbie Starbuck on. If you don't know who Robbie Starbuck is,

912
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 2: you've got to look him up. Robbie Starbuck is someone

913
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 2: that actually has gotten major companies to basically dispense with

914
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 2: their DEI programs, and yet he's also been the target

915
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 2: of I think Google AI. Google AI has been making

916
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 2: up fraudulent histories of mister Starbuck and actually made up

917
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 2: fraudulent charges and fraudulent court cases to try and stop

918
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Speaker 2: what Robbie is doing, and he's actually suing Google AI.

919
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about it in the next podcast.

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01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 2: You're not going to want to miss it. Don't forget

921
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 2: about the podcast I mentioned that have addressed some of

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Speaker 2: what Candice has said. We'll put them in the show notes.

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Speaker 2: Ali Bestucky, Elisa Childers. We got to follow the truth

924
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 2: where it leads, friends, and we can't insinuate people are

925
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 2: guilty when we don't have evidence. You can ask questions

926
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 2: and ensure that you don't implicate innocent people. You can

927
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 2: do both of those at the same time, and we

928
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 2: should all right, friends, Great being with you see here

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Speaker 2: next time, Lord Willing, God bless.

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