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Speaker 1: released his top one hundred and fifty Fantasy players earlier
Speaker 1: this month. So I've said this before. My first job
Speaker 1: out of college was Vegas, So I started gambling before
Speaker 1: I played fantasy football, although I've always known years and
Speaker 1: years ago, Derek, I was doing a live remote show
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Speaker 1: so I'm going to ask you a couple of questions
Speaker 1: to start this, and I'm going to be a complete
Speaker 1: novice on this. I mean, I know fantasy, I get it.
Speaker 1: But for me, we all know the top six to
Speaker 1: eight to ten quarterbacks. Give me a quarterback for the
Speaker 1: guy that bets or doesn't play fantasy the four of
Speaker 1: us and the planet, but appreciate it that you would
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Speaker 2: Well, a guy that I've been high on since the
Speaker 2: pre draft process, Colin and I think that he has
Speaker 2: huge jump side this year is Jane Daniels and I've
Speaker 2: talked about him since the NFL Draft, since prospect season,
Speaker 2: and I think that he is going to crush this year.
Speaker 2: And a lot of this, and we talked about it
Speaker 2: in fantasy, is that the rushing equity that it plays
Speaker 2: up so much in scoring and how that goes. But
Speaker 2: there are other parts and pieces to love here. And
Speaker 2: whether we're going to talk about Cliff Kingsbury and an
Speaker 2: uppace offense and play volume, Yes, And for fantasy it's
Speaker 2: always like it's always the moniker is always thrown out there,
Speaker 2: a volume is king, but that goes back to play volume.
Speaker 2: We need play volume to get targets to get pass attempts,
Speaker 2: to get all these things that score fantasy points. And
Speaker 2: I think Jane Daniels, not only is it the rushing,
Speaker 2: but we're going to get the play volume. And people
Speaker 2: vastly underrate him as a passer. I mean, the guy
Speaker 2: was in the Heisman. I mean he won the Heisman
Speaker 2: because he is not only a good rusher of the football,
Speaker 2: but regardless of whatever metric you pull up, he was
Speaker 2: also one of the best passers in the nation, and
Speaker 2: I think that crosses over to the NFL well.
Speaker 1: I think he's a better passer at this stage in
Speaker 1: his career than Lamar Jackson was. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: quite as dynamic. But I watched them at Arizona State
Speaker 1: as a true freshman because I knew her Edwards and
Speaker 1: I was a PAC twelve guy, and he waged about
Speaker 1: a buck sixty wet and I watched him and his
Speaker 1: helmet looked like it might as well be I was
Speaker 1: like a giant pumpkin on this little stick figure because
Speaker 1: he was so skinny, and I'm watching him, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this dude's like eighteen, and he's really really talented, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, he goes to LSU and
Speaker 1: I remember saying on the air, you guys, he's with
Speaker 1: their talent, like Arizona State had one running back. I liked,
Speaker 1: I'm like, does everybody understand this? And there was a
Speaker 1: lot of pushback, and I think now everybody goes, Wow,
Speaker 1: he's a pretty special kid. He's also kind of a
Speaker 1: workaholic and a film junkie, which goes a long way.
Speaker 1: Is there you know in baseball there's the contract year guys, right, like, like,
Speaker 1: that's a real thing in baseball, is guys on contract years.
Speaker 1: We don't talk about it a lot in football because
Speaker 1: the truth is, if you're not playing hard and focused
Speaker 1: in football, you get hurt. There is no load management.
Speaker 1: You play hurt. You play andrewd you play hard every night.
Speaker 1: But are there situation situationally in fantasy, is there maybe
Speaker 1: a quarterback this year that you look, it's a new coordinator,
Speaker 1: it is a big year for him financially, it's a
Speaker 1: bounce back here? Is there is there a quarterback to
Speaker 1: you that you're like, you know what this is? This
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a steal in fantasy if
Speaker 1: things go right.
Speaker 2: I think there's a few guys that fit the mold
Speaker 2: of being a Steel this year. And I think there's
Speaker 2: a lot of ways that we could go with this column,
Speaker 2: like whether it's guys that just got contracts or guys
Speaker 2: that are trying to prove they deserve the money. And
Speaker 2: the two guys that stand out to me that just
Speaker 2: already got paid. But really we're we're talking about, Okay,
Speaker 2: how have their NFL careers panned out to this point
Speaker 2: and justifying the big money contracts they both just got.
Speaker 2: And that's Jordan Love and and Trevor Lawrence, And it
Speaker 2: really comes down to they both got paid and now
Speaker 2: they have to justify these massive contracts. But I think
Speaker 2: both of them are going to do that this season.
Speaker 2: I mean, Jordan Love, we saw lastlast year he was
Speaker 2: playing elite level football down the stretch and I think
Speaker 2: that crosses over into this year, second year, being the starter,
Speaker 2: getting more reps, still an elite level, well not elite level,
Speaker 2: but really really good weapons around him. And we know
Speaker 2: la Floor is in a scheme about But Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 2: I mean, with all the Urban Meyer stuff, and we
Speaker 2: still haven't seen the best season out of him yet.
Speaker 2: But last year QB thirteen and Fantasy points per game,
Speaker 2: but QB seven and expected fantasy points per game. They've
Speaker 2: done nothing but add weapons around him this year, Colin,
Speaker 2: and I think we see the best season yet out
Speaker 2: of Trevor Lawrence in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: How do I look at Justin Herbert? So they draft
Speaker 1: a very clever, smaller receiver, but a speedy second round
Speaker 1: guy out of Georgia, but they're not great on the perimeter. Clearly,
Speaker 1: the Joel Alt pick and the running back acquisitions. This
Speaker 1: is gonna be power football. I think Justin Herbert will
Speaker 1: win more, but I'm not sure stats wise he's going
Speaker 1: to be Like how would you judge him? Because I
Speaker 1: see Harba's teams. I mean, Jim harbass fantasy is basically
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert just throws on third and two and second
Speaker 1: and four on play action and it's a power run game.
Speaker 2: He love.
Speaker 1: I mean, we just watched JJ McCarthy rarely throw infrequently
Speaker 1: in big games. So how do you look from your
Speaker 1: perspective at Justin Herbert this year?
Speaker 2: I've had to drop him in my rankings a little
Speaker 2: bit common and like I kept the hope candle lit
Speaker 2: for him this year only because we know that Herbert's
Speaker 2: always I mean, going back to Oregon, He's a hyper
Speaker 2: athletic quarterback. So like we haven't seen the rushing side
Speaker 2: for him be unlocked in the NFL, although I think
Speaker 2: that he could have that to his game. But I
Speaker 2: bumped him down because now it's not only the passing
Speaker 2: volume and he has to overcome that with efficiency this year.
Speaker 2: Maybe he could do it, maybe he can't. But now
Speaker 2: with the foot issue in the fast year, like now
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, well, if he's not going to run
Speaker 2: for much, now I've got to drop him a little
Speaker 2: bit further in my ranks. Like right now he's my
Speaker 2: QB nineteen. I've got him living in the same neighborhood
Speaker 2: or area code as Kirk Cousins, Matthew Stafford and the
Speaker 2: new starter for the Vikings, And we just talked about
Speaker 2: the Vikings a little bit, Sam Darnold. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: much lower on Herbert than maybe consensus.
Speaker 1: You know, when I look at a player like Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 1: he's had one great year and it was tied to
Speaker 1: Shane Steichen, and I think to myself, now reports come
Speaker 1: out that Nick Sirianni there was a bit of a
Speaker 1: gap in communication between Sirianni, who I was always told
Speaker 1: when he got the job was a bit over his head.
Speaker 1: He wasn't quite ready to be a head coach, especially
Speaker 1: in relentless Philadelphia. Over there's just pressure, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like the loudest sports town in the country. And so
Speaker 1: I look at Jalen Hurts and I'm like, I think
Speaker 1: I like him, but there's injuries. He said, one great year,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure the head coach is going to survive.
Speaker 1: I don't in the world now. I know I think
Speaker 1: he's a top ten quarterback, but where do you put
Speaker 1: him on your list?
Speaker 2: Oh, this could be a good conversation for us because
Speaker 2: he's actually my QB one this year and I think
Speaker 2: wild I love him this year, and I know I
Speaker 2: was wondering if we were going to bring him up
Speaker 2: and talk about him, because I know I've heard you
Speaker 2: in the airwaves and I know you got concerns about
Speaker 2: the Eagles, and I think bringing Kellen Moore into this
Speaker 2: this offense in this room is going to absolutely change
Speaker 2: the complexion. I'm not saying that he's the same level
Speaker 2: of designer. And it didn't go well for the Chargers,
Speaker 2: but it did go well in Dallas as Shane Stykeen
Speaker 2: because I think Shane is one of the best play
Speaker 2: callers and play designers in the NFL.
Speaker 1: But he really is he is, and.
Speaker 2: That's that's another reason why I'm very high on Anthony
Speaker 2: Richardson this year. But with Hurts, I think we get
Speaker 2: a version of the Philadelphia Eagles offense because look, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to come on here and disparage anybody, but
Speaker 2: like Brian Johnson, it was a struggle all last year,
Speaker 2: like they he was over he was, he was way
Speaker 2: in over his head. I mean they ran what and
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong with this, but I I
Speaker 2: feel like they ran a vanilla version of Stychean's offense
Speaker 2: last year, and it was very much like you saw
Speaker 2: the ebbs and flows, like whenever they were to able
Speaker 2: to hit big plays go routes down the field, it
Speaker 2: was very spotty and they would have two or three
Speaker 2: big plays and then go into the cave for a while,
Speaker 2: and then two or three big plays and that was it.
Speaker 2: And I think this year we're gonna get Kella Moore infusion,
Speaker 2: like more play action motion things that are sharp and
Speaker 2: that people should be doing with play calling. But I
Speaker 2: think that plus the play going back to play volume,
Speaker 2: I think we get a high paced offense and for
Speaker 2: the first time in Philly this year, we might get
Speaker 2: an offense for not only does do the Eagles finish
Speaker 2: top five or top ten in neutral pace, but what
Speaker 2: could unlock the other level four Hurts because we haven't
Speaker 2: seen passing volume out of this offense. We've seen lots
Speaker 2: of plays, we've seen rushing, and everybody's worried about do
Speaker 2: they run with Hurts at the goal line this year.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of on the spot where I think his
Speaker 2: rushing touchdown obviously come back some because he was historic
Speaker 2: last year, but he compensates with a better passing offense
Speaker 2: and they have the weapons to do it. So I
Speaker 2: think it's wheels up for Jalen Hurts in the Philly
Speaker 2: offense this year. Even if Siriani is maybe not the
Speaker 2: best head coach, I think Kellen's gonna bring some of
Speaker 2: the best elements out of this passing game too.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons I defended Jamiir Gibbs going to
Speaker 1: Detroit because I still do believe you can draft kickers.
Speaker 1: They can be the leading scorer on a team if
Speaker 1: you like a kicker. Rams just drafted one out of
Speaker 1: I think was it Stanford drafted kicker. I think you
Speaker 1: can draft running backs in the first round. I thought
Speaker 1: Beijon Robinson was under used considerably in Atlanta, so I
Speaker 1: think he's really I thought he was Ladanion Tollinson too.
Speaker 1: There was literally no hole leadership, no fumbles, hard runner,
Speaker 1: can catch, block, just everything. Almost a flawless player. I
Speaker 1: don't expect number one, but I you know Saquon Barkley,
Speaker 1: he was a game breaker, Ezekiel Ellie. One of the
Speaker 1: reasons I backed Jamir Gibbs is because the Lions O
Speaker 1: line is so good. They feel like Dallas about seven
Speaker 1: years ago, like there's no argument that's the best O line.
Speaker 1: That was the way it was with Zach Martin, Tyron Smith, Frederick.
Speaker 1: We were just like, okay, who's number two? It's Larry
Speaker 1: Bird at the three point shooting contest. Who's shooting for second?
Speaker 1: And I kind of feel like the Lions have separated
Speaker 1: from other good lines, so you're virtually guaranteed excellent production
Speaker 1: out of Jamiir Gibbs. And I look at him and
Speaker 1: I think, I think Saquon Barkley will do this. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of guys. I think Bijon, I'll get
Speaker 1: more carries in Atlanta to me, Jamiir Gibbs with that
Speaker 1: O line. I look at it and what it is
Speaker 1: considered to be a really sharp offensive coordinator. Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1: I look at him as a running back and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that can't fail. Like where do you have him ranked.
Speaker 2: I've got him behind the big three that are going
Speaker 2: in the first round to draft, so Bjehon Robinson's my
Speaker 2: RB one, that McCaffrey Bresee Hall. But I've got Gibbs
Speaker 2: at the top of my tier two at RB four,
Speaker 2: and it's a little bit above consensus because most people
Speaker 2: have Saquon and Jonathan Taylor there. But I'm with you, Colin, like,
Speaker 2: I love Gibbs this year, and I think I think
Speaker 2: people are kind of pushed off a little bit of
Speaker 2: Gibbs in certain instances because it's a committee backfield, and
Speaker 2: they look at it like, well, David Montgomery's still going
Speaker 2: to get run this year, like he's not going away,
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I know he's not going away. But
Speaker 2: you look at what Gibbs did in his first season.
Speaker 2: The efficiency was awesome. He was great, whether we're talking
Speaker 2: about on a rushing aspect or in the passing game.
Speaker 2: But what people fail to realize is in weeks ten
Speaker 2: through eighteen, after Montgomery came back, well like, the red
Speaker 2: zone usage was pretty similar as far as on a
Speaker 2: per touch basis, Gibbs dominated the red zone snaps like,
Speaker 2: he had almost sixty four percent of the red zone snaps.
Speaker 2: So if the volume at that part of the field
Speaker 2: comes like comes into play even more this year and
Speaker 2: it's not David Montgomery running it in at the five
Speaker 2: or the three or the ten, and it's Gibbs getting
Speaker 2: rushing attempts, getting targets in that type of red zone area,
Speaker 2: then I think Gibbs has an easy chance to be
Speaker 2: a top three heck, maybe the RB one overall. And
Speaker 2: I don't think it's insane, but it can happen.
Speaker 1: So I think Christian McCaffrey is the second best running
Speaker 1: back of my life to Walter Payton. I think his
Speaker 1: dexterity is a pass catcher puts him an inch above
Speaker 1: Barry Sanders. But all three are just different. They they're
Speaker 1: just different level players. And I think Adrian Peterson, although
Speaker 1: he had a fumble issue, and I didn't trust him
Speaker 1: catching the ball. May be more explosive than all of them,
Speaker 1: outside of maybe Walter Payton. But I do worry about now,
Speaker 1: back to back years, McCaffrey's up in the three hundred touches.
Speaker 1: The last time that happened, he was hurt the following year.
Speaker 1: He is when you I've seen him in person a
Speaker 1: couple of times in the last year, and my wife
Speaker 1: even remarks, he doesn't look like a football player, Like
Speaker 1: it's amazing, Like he must have zero body fat. He's
Speaker 1: so powerful. But I look at it and I think
Speaker 1: to myself, Okay, Rock Purty, Trent Williams is not in camp.
Speaker 1: They're gonna use McCaffrey heavy here. You're not gonna put
Speaker 1: Brock Purty, who's an undersized quarterback with a backup left
Speaker 1: tackle on an O line I don't love. Also, Trent
Speaker 1: Williams is really the foundational piece up front for them. Like,
Speaker 1: and I look at McCaffrey and I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying a down year, but I could see, if not injury,
Speaker 1: a fatigue factor. I know Trent Williams. Even if Trent
Speaker 1: comes in, you know he's older, you know he's he
Speaker 1: may not be rolling being Trent till October. Where are
Speaker 1: you on McCaffrey today.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad we talked about him because it's I
Speaker 2: don't want to say it's controversial, but the fact that
Speaker 2: I don't have him as my RB one this year
Speaker 2: is differing from consensus.
Speaker 1: And you love him.
Speaker 2: I do, And that's the biggest thing. I think. People
Speaker 2: think I'm like a CMC hater, but I'm not. Like
Speaker 2: to your point though, if you include the playoffs, Colin,
Speaker 2: he rolled up four hundred and seventeen touches last season,
Speaker 2: Like we we can't dismiss that. And he's not twenty five,
Speaker 2: he's not twenty six years old anymore. And the volume
Speaker 2: does eventually catch up even to the outliers that the
Speaker 2: Barry Sanders of the world, the Derrick Henry's of the world, Like,
Speaker 2: the volume will eventually catch up to you. And we
Speaker 2: we're not that far away from I mean, come on, Colin, Like,
Speaker 2: let's be kind of rewind here, Like, we're not that
Speaker 2: far away from a few years ago. You brought it
Speaker 2: up already, we had questions. Can Christian McCaffrey stay healthy
Speaker 2: through a full season?
Speaker 1: No question?
Speaker 2: I agree with you, Like That's why I can't put
Speaker 2: McCaffrey at RB one because of those concerns and that,
Speaker 2: and I think it's full bejeon to the moon season
Speaker 2: this year. I think he gets unleashed in Zach Robinson's offense.
Speaker 2: I think we see him possibly pull a prime season.
Speaker 2: Todd Gurley on US in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: I watched Puka Nakula at Washington, then I watched them
Speaker 1: at BYU. I could not believe my eyes. I liked him,
Speaker 1: but you know, he's a really nice college receiver. The
Speaker 1: fact that he came in and in camp the reports were, oh,
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford found his favorite toy, he got a new guy.
Speaker 2: Like it was.
Speaker 1: It started early in camp. And some of this is
Speaker 1: McVeigh too, because Whittingham, the Texas receiver who they took
Speaker 1: in the sixth round, is lighting up preseason. So some
Speaker 1: of this is the magic of McVeigh. Do you expect
Speaker 1: as we pivot to wide receivers? God, the Pooka year
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, now, everybody's had an off season ago, Okay,
Speaker 1: Cooper's not the number one guy all the time. It's
Speaker 1: this guy. Do you expect similar numbers from him?
Speaker 2: I do and I love Pukah so much. I was
Speaker 2: huge on him in the in the draft prospect process
Speaker 2: last year, I just I had him. I want to say,
Speaker 2: pre draft Colin, I had Puka as my wide receiver
Speaker 2: five of the class, which was I'm not gonna say
Speaker 2: it was a hot take, but people definitely weren't following
Speaker 2: me on that. And then he goes out and he
Speaker 2: does this, and I'm not going to say that I
Speaker 2: saw that type of rookie year coming where he broke
Speaker 2: numerous records and things like that. But the kid can
Speaker 2: play ball. I mean, if you looked at per route
Speaker 2: numbers in college and watched his film, it all says that.
Speaker 2: And I think he takes another step forward right now.
Speaker 2: He is at the top of my tier two. I
Speaker 2: haven't at wide receiver wide receiver seven right now, and wow, yes,
Speaker 2: so I'm projecting a huge year for Pooka Nakua. But
Speaker 2: I mean, do we see this all the time, not
Speaker 2: like we talk about investing and being high on second
Speaker 2: year wide receivers. They get a year in the league
Speaker 2: and watch them go and explode in year two. Then
Speaker 2: why aren't we doing that with the guy that just
Speaker 2: broke all the rookie records, like we should be immensely
Speaker 2: high on him. And this is no shade against Cup,
Speaker 2: but Cup is not the guy he was in his prime.
Speaker 2: I think he still has a really good year. But
Speaker 2: again talking about age and injuries kind of catching up
Speaker 2: with players, I think Puka cements himself as the true
Speaker 2: wide receiver one in Los Angeles this year.
Speaker 1: All right, another weapon question Travis Kelcey. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to throw a little theory at you. So Kelsey last
Speaker 1: year showed his age in the regular season. Then just
Speaker 1: like a great legendary quarterback, he rises from the ashes
Speaker 1: and has a terrific postseason. So now they go and
Speaker 1: get Worthy. They want to ramp that up Andy Reid,
Speaker 1: who's a great play designer. In September, you're going to
Speaker 1: see Worthy a lot. They're trying to establish a number
Speaker 1: one receiver, which they haven't had since Tyreek Kill left.
Speaker 1: Also Rashi Rice, I'm not sure the current suspension, he'll
Speaker 1: be back sometime early. They want to establish him after
Speaker 1: a very turbulent offs field issue. So my take is
Speaker 1: Kansas City, Brett Veach, Andy Reid, Mahomes. They're trying to
Speaker 1: establish an identity at receiver. They also know that Travis Kelcey,
Speaker 1: he's going to be great when it counts. I could
Speaker 1: see Kelsey's numbers dipping as they tie to establish like
Speaker 1: a peck let me. Let's be honest, Slasher, they didn't
Speaker 1: have a one. There were weeks they didn't have a two.
Speaker 1: So they are going to use the heck out of
Speaker 1: worthy early. This is what Andy does in September. They're
Speaker 1: going to try to re establish for Sea Rice. Is
Speaker 1: it possible that at least early Travis not ignored but
Speaker 1: is a secondary target because what they're trying to do
Speaker 1: to elevate a young receiving corps.
Speaker 2: I think it's definitely possible. And even if he doesn't
Speaker 2: fallow down and the target pecking order a little bit,
Speaker 2: the other part is do they cut his snaps a
Speaker 2: little bit? Because again, like we're talking about it and
Speaker 2: everybody's talking about it, can Kansas City three peete And
Speaker 2: if they're going to do that, Travis Kelsey has to
Speaker 2: stay healthy. He has to be a big part of
Speaker 2: what they do. But the question is do you roll
Speaker 2: him out there for ninety ninety five percent of snaps
Speaker 2: the entire season and if he gets banged up. We
Speaker 2: saw what happened last year, so I'm with you. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's not my tight end one this year in fantasy.
Speaker 2: That distinction goes to Trade McBride. So I think that
Speaker 2: we do see Kelsey put up good numbers, really good
Speaker 2: numbers for where I have him ranked, but him being
Speaker 2: the undisputed tight end one, just crushing everybody in his
Speaker 2: path and stuff. And I'm not saying he's gonna have
Speaker 2: a bad year, but I do think we could see
Speaker 2: him take a small step back statistically in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Now, obviously there is it's speculation to some degree on rookies,
Speaker 1: but I do think this preseason Derek more than the
Speaker 1: previous two. You know, McVeigh started that don't play any
Speaker 1: good players in the preseason, and for a while it
Speaker 1: was like a ra you know, Piede Piper, all the
Speaker 1: young coaches are like, I'm not playing my starters. I
Speaker 1: think this year we've seen a lot of snaps. I mean,
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams playing an entire half, You're seeing starters playing.
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's trying to figure out five series for Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've gotten more meat in the sandwich
Speaker 1: in my preseason I've seen the rookies. More, give me
Speaker 1: a couple of rookies that you would be confident saying, man,
Speaker 1: this situation is I mean, hell, last year Green Bay,
Speaker 1: you know you got these a Luke Muskgrave, you got
Speaker 1: some of these young receivers. You're like, Wow, by the
Speaker 1: end of the year, is there a rookie or two
Speaker 1: that you'd be confident get saying consider it. He's on
Speaker 1: my radar.
Speaker 2: I think at the top of the class. I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously I could a wax poetic about Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 2: He's going extremely high. Yes, love him this year and
Speaker 2: everybody knows that. I think Elite Neighbors has shown a
Speaker 2: ton in camp, and the big question I have is
Speaker 2: can he overcome Daniel Jones and what the rest of
Speaker 2: that offense?
Speaker 1: That's a big question. Is anybody in New York it is?
Speaker 2: I mean, Danny Dimes came it went out there in
Speaker 2: almost three three picks in a preseason game, so we
Speaker 2: all have to question it. Yeah, I think the talent
Speaker 2: and the cream can rise to the top of Elite Neighbors.
Speaker 2: But I think the big guy that I do want
Speaker 2: to mention here, Colin is Roma Dounza, and we all
Speaker 2: talked about him in the pre draft process. There was
Speaker 2: a top three of the wide receivers and they were electric,
Speaker 2: full level guys, and Rome is the guy where everybody's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do with him in the
Speaker 2: Chicago passing offense because we do have Keenan Allen, we
Speaker 2: do have DJ Moore there. But I'm old enough to
Speaker 2: remember when Jamar Chase entered the league and he was
Speaker 2: just that guy and they had Tyler Boyd and they
Speaker 2: had T Higgins alongside him. I'm not going to discount
Speaker 2: that rollm of dunes. They could possibly do that, and
Speaker 2: if him and Caleb click soon, like in the early
Speaker 2: parts of the season, he could be the guy. And
Speaker 2: maybe not Keenan Allen playing in two wide receiver sets
Speaker 2: because Shane Waldrim we know, likes to run a lot
Speaker 2: of two tight end sets. That's going to be part
Speaker 2: of it. Maybe some twenty one personnel as well. But
Speaker 2: I think Rome can crack and be part of that
Speaker 2: twelve personnel group and be playing in two wide So
Speaker 2: I definitely want to be in on him, and you
Speaker 2: talked about Worthy. I think he could have a fantastic
Speaker 2: rookie season, I guess if I'm going to go down
Speaker 2: a little bit further down the board and people are
Speaker 2: worried about him because Zach Hurtz is there. But Ben
Speaker 2: Sinnett is a player that I've loved throughout the entire process,
Speaker 2: whether it was watching his film, the talent, the athleticism,
Speaker 2: and people don't have any worries and they have no
Speaker 2: concerns about Brock Bauers playing really well as a rookie
Speaker 2: with the Raiders. Even though Michael Bayer is there and
Speaker 2: he's younger, he's a better player at this part of
Speaker 2: his career. And that's no shade to zach Ertz, but
Speaker 2: it's a reality. I think we could be sleeping a
Speaker 2: little bit too much on the ceiling and the involvement
Speaker 2: of Ben Sennett both early and throughout the entire season.
Speaker 2: Like Colin, if I were to tell you right now,
Speaker 2: we closed our eyes and it's week thirteen and Ben
Speaker 2: Sennett is running routes, he's the full time starter, zach
Speaker 2: Ertz is playing on third downs or just when they
Speaker 2: have twelve personnel. Does that scenario sound absolutely crazy?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I you know, it's funny about how situationally
Speaker 1: things change. I'll give you an example. So Kyle Pitch
Speaker 1: has been a disappointment. Yeah, Drake London's good, But when
Speaker 1: you consider the gap between Desmond Ritter and Kirk Coussins, Okay,
Speaker 1: my thing is, is it Kyle p or who's throwing
Speaker 1: the ball? Is it Drake London or who's throwing the ball?
Speaker 1: I look at Lanta, I look at Atlanta and I
Speaker 1: think to myself, does everybody understand by getting Jude On
Speaker 1: and the safety from the Broncos, this could be a
Speaker 1: twelve win team. This is not a great division Carolina,
Speaker 1: the Saints, I think, are the first team to fire
Speaker 1: a coach and Dennis Allen. I look at Atlanta and
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know if these are sleeper picks.
Speaker 1: But Kyle Picks now has a nearly sixty eight percent
Speaker 1: completion percentage veteran who By the way, Kirk is the
Speaker 1: nicest guy in the world. He's had a chip on
Speaker 1: his shoulder a mile long forever. All he does is produce.
Speaker 1: What do you make of the Atlanta skill players? Bijon,
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitt, Drake London now with a really, I mean,
Speaker 1: let's be honest. Kirk Cousins is every bit Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: He just doesn't have a star on the helmet. Their
Speaker 1: numbers are virtually the same.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I've been touting this all off season.
Speaker 2: I've loved Drake London since he came into the league,
Speaker 2: and on a perp route basis, he's been amazing in
Speaker 2: the league. It's just he's been hampered by bad quarterback play,
Speaker 2: no passing volume Arthur Smith at times, and you could
Speaker 2: say the same for B John and Kyle Pitts. I'm
Speaker 2: sky high on this entire offense. Like B John's my
Speaker 2: RB one this year, I've got Drake London right now
Speaker 2: as a top ten wide receiver wide receiver nine. Wow, yes, wow.
Speaker 2: I think we see the coming out party for Drake London.
Speaker 2: I think he shows everybody the type of talent that
Speaker 2: we've seen if you've watched any of his all twenty two,
Speaker 2: if you've been out there like at Atlanta Falcons games, everybody,
Speaker 2: the fans, they're all going to see it this year
Speaker 2: because Drake London, he's an ascending talent. And I think
Speaker 2: with the passing volume and Kirk Cousins was on his way,
Speaker 2: Like I know, we make all of our jokes about
Speaker 2: big time Kirk Cousins and he falls apart. But he
Speaker 2: was having a stellar season last year before the Achilles
Speaker 2: injury and stuff. I think that he plays extremely well.
Speaker 2: And this boils down to Drake London Kyle Pitts again,
Speaker 2: because we always hear these things until we don't hear
Speaker 2: them until after the season is over, Colin, where guys
Speaker 2: are more hurt, or maybe the recovery from injuries wasn't
Speaker 2: as smooth, or maybe they were more hurt than we
Speaker 2: were led to believe. And after the Falcon season concluded,
Speaker 2: we found out obial Kyle Pitts was dealing with more
Speaker 2: of the knee injury and he was slower throughout the
Speaker 2: season and stuff. I think we see the best Kyle
Speaker 2: Pitts season we've seen to date. And I know he's
Speaker 2: got a thousand yard season on the resume, but I
Speaker 2: think we see that plus touchdowns this year, so immensely
Speaker 2: high on that entire offense.
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Speaker 1: throw something out this to meet. Now, he's not a
Speaker 1: dark horse, but here's how I look at DeVante Adams.
Speaker 1: They'll be trailing in almost all games, so he's going
Speaker 1: to get tons of looks. Gardner Minshew is basically Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: If you look statistically collegeen pro he can play, so
Speaker 1: he's going to get looks. They're going to be trailing
Speaker 1: in games. Gardner Minshew has always been a little better
Speaker 1: than anybody wants to acknowledge. He's basically Baker without the
Speaker 1: bank roll. Also, I could see DeVante's been verbal when
Speaker 1: he's unhappy. This team starts one to seven. I can
Speaker 1: see Tom Telesco moving him to a contender and a
Speaker 1: star quarterback because he has been very outspoken. And I
Speaker 1: could see Tom Telesco sam, I'm the new GM. We
Speaker 1: need a quarterback. There's a million receivers. Let's clean the books.
Speaker 1: So I look at Devonte Adams and I think there's
Speaker 1: so many elements. No team may trail than New England,
Speaker 1: more than the Raiders. I mean you're in a division
Speaker 1: with I mean bo Next looks great, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Harbaugh,
Speaker 1: clever offensive guys. And I think if it even goes sideways,
Speaker 1: I think he'd be somebody that they would look at
Speaker 1: and go, we can get a one and a three
Speaker 1: for this guy, and the Raiders just completely rebuild next year.
Speaker 1: What say you on that?
Speaker 2: I'm with you on the look. I'm ready to put
Speaker 2: my ten full hat on right now. I'm ready to
Speaker 2: do it because I'm with you. I think there's an
Speaker 2: easy chance we danced around the name, but I think
Speaker 2: there's an easy chance that maybe Davante's wearing white and
Speaker 2: green by the end of the year. That would not
Speaker 2: shock me at all. But the talent for Davante Adams,
Speaker 2: I think it has not diminished. I think my only
Speaker 2: worries with Davante and I wrote him up. He's in
Speaker 2: our draft kit right now, that's live on Fantasy Pros
Speaker 2: fantasypros dot com slash kit. And my only problem with
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams because I think everything you mentioned as far
Speaker 2: as the target volume is going to be there. His
Speaker 2: skills have not diminished. If he gets traded, we're I mean,
Speaker 2: we're talking about Devonte Adam's gonna be a top five
Speaker 2: receiver again. My only worry about him and the hesitance
Speaker 2: I have, is where he goes in drafts because Fantasy wise,
Speaker 2: he was the wide receiver fifteen last year. He's being
Speaker 2: drafted inside the top ten, so it's a little bit pricey.
Speaker 2: But if he ends the season on the Jets, that price.
Speaker 1: Could pay all right, Yeah, Okay, speaking of the Jets,
Speaker 1: let's end it with this and again, this is something
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to not tinfoil had it. But Aaron's
Speaker 1: forty office surgery, it's a rebuilt offensive line. Offensive lines
Speaker 1: generally being rebuilt. Run blockings easier than pass blocking. They're
Speaker 1: in a division and a conference with a lot of
Speaker 1: good pass rushers, the AFC. Okay, I could see the
Speaker 1: Jets being more run centric, with Breese Hall, Mike Williams
Speaker 1: struggling to stay healthy, people rolling coverage over on Garrett Wilson,
Speaker 1: Aaron not trusting his offensive line, being reluctant to hang
Speaker 1: into the pocket. I mean, Brady remember when he got hurt.
Speaker 1: He wasn't comfortable for two years. Anybody around his knees
Speaker 1: that wasn't. So this is a more serious injury, and
Speaker 1: also Aaron's older I could see this team throwing less.
Speaker 1: If you look at the quarterbacks, Derek, that they play
Speaker 1: in the first nine ten weeks, it is backups, it's career,
Speaker 1: it's rookies, it's you don't have to win by shootouts.
Speaker 1: With that Jets defense, there's gonna be a I mean
Speaker 1: you start looking at it's Vikings, it's Denver, it's Tennessee.
Speaker 1: I could see the Jets running a very very conservative offense,
Speaker 1: letting their defense lead the way, and Aaron and Garrett's
Speaker 1: numbers are not stupendous relative to their talent. What do
Speaker 1: you say?
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I mean I was pulling up
Speaker 2: the the regular season, like the early part of the schedule,
Speaker 2: like they get the forty nine ers, Titans, Patriots, Broncos, Vikings.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at those quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean seriously, after the forty nine ers, what
Speaker 2: are we talking about here? Like they should devour Will Levis.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have either Jacoby Brissett probably under center, you
Speaker 2: got a rookie and bo Nicks, you got Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2: I mean again, yes, lots of positive game script, lots
Speaker 2: of probably feeding Breefe. And I'm with you. I think
Speaker 2: that their passing game numbers could disappoint in those early games.
Speaker 2: Especially also if we and this goes back years even
Speaker 2: to the Green Bay days where Nathaniel Hackett and Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers run an incredibly slow, is molasses offense. They're always
Speaker 2: near the bottom in play volume and passing rate. They
Speaker 2: just are. So if they slow it down and just say, okay,
Speaker 2: well we're gonna protect Aaron we again, we're playing a
Speaker 2: full season. We want to be sniffing the playoffs. We
Speaker 2: want to keep him upright because we know what it
Speaker 2: looks like if he's not, so we just lean on
Speaker 2: the defense. We lean on Breeese. I don't disagree with
Speaker 2: you at all, but again, this is another reason to
Speaker 2: love Breeese Hall in the first round of drafts.
Speaker 1: How about that. That's thirty five minutes with a complete
Speaker 1: novice and I'm throwing out my tinfoil hat stuff and
Speaker 1: most of it's reasonably saying. I love that you're in
Speaker 1: on Drake Lennon and Kyle Pitts because I think sometimes
Speaker 1: we forget just how dire the passing offense was. I mean,
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith turned around, Ryan Tannehill, he just waved a
Speaker 1: white flag.
Speaker 2: Last year.
Speaker 1: He just gave up.
Speaker 2: He did. He did, he said, look, I've done enough,
Speaker 2: or I've done all Like hands, Jesemond Rider, Marcus Marioti
Speaker 2: are just not it, Like I don't know what else
Speaker 2: to do with these guys.
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