WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: Tezlyn Figaro Talks Kamalas Missteps, Celebrity Roles In Campaigns, Push The Line Movement + More 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:02.520 Wake that ass up in the morning. 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:08.440 Breakfast Club morning, everybody is d j n V just hilarious. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:10.559 Charlamagne the guy. We are the breakfast club along the 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:13.119 roaster feeling And for Jess, we got a special guest 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:13.720 in the building. 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:16.759 Thanks, gentlemen. She's back, Miss Teslin figure Oh, welcome back. 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:21.960 Hello, Hello, Hello, are you feeling good morning? Good morning? 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:22.599 Good morning? Lord? 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:23.960 How are you feeling this? 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:26.840 Feeling good? I am, I'm really feeling good. It's good 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:29.040 to be back back with family. Chopped up. Which y'all 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:30.760 drop some dimes, named some names. 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:32.000 Okay, yeah, here to get well. 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.599 We're dropping dimes on test, dropping downs on everybody from 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:35.280 top to bottom. 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:40.320 Let's start right off with the president presidential election. Why 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:41.560 did V P. Harris lose? 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:41.920 Oh? 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.720 Man, I should have rolled my white board that many yeah, 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:47.479 that many yeah. And the reason why it's important, I 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.720 literally have my stuff in order because a lot of 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.080 people MV said, you know, she lost because of this reason. 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:56.360 She lost because of that. And it's really in the Midwest. 0:00:56.360 --> 0:01:02.080 The tornado requires water, humidity, when you know multiple things, 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.720 it's not one reason. And when I hear people saying, 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:07.240 you know, oh, if he just did better, with the 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.000 messaging or if they did better with the media. I've 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:12.520 really kind of put together a list of flowchart on 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:17.040 how basically a colossal fuck up from top to bottom. 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.880 So you're doing, yeah, we're doing optops, we're doing to 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.120 pull out tops. So if we just really take it 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:24.640 from the top, as we all said, Joe Biden should 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.160 have never ran. We have to first, you know, start there. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.240 Should have never ran. He said it was a one time, 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:31.240 it was gonna be a one term president. We talked 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:34.640 about it multiple times. He actually volunteered that life to say, hey, 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:36.840 I'm only going to run one term. I'm coming in 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.600 just to stop Trump immediately. Then they should have started 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.120 building a base immediately right out the gate. Trump was 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:46.160 still campaigning this entire time. We talked about it. We 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.120 talked about how it was constant rallies, constant organizing. You 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:50.680 and I talked about it on the Van Jones Show. 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:53.520 We're saying, you guys really have to continue the organizing 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.960 year round. And that's why I blame a lot of 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:57.960 the people at the top who have the ear of 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.840 the you know, of the candidates and Campaignton's because they've 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.240 been told this multiple multiple times so it should have 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.480 found a white man right then and there. Who was 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:07.920 going to be next in line to build a white man, 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:10.600 a white man, absolutely young white man, right then and there. 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:12.880 And it's not Governor Newso, by the way, a lot 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.000 of people keep saying that govern Newson will get swamped. 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.800 So did think Kamala was gonna win? No, right at 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:19.280 the game? No, no, no, question's a black woman. 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:23.000 Yeah, absolutely, so that that's number three. So let's first 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:24.600 get that. So they should have establish a bitch and 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:26.360 didn't do that. Governor knew somebody just want to put 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:27.800 that out there. A lot of people like him, great debater, 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.359 he would have got swamped. You have to remember he 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.359 literally passed to be O K through twelve to have 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:37.160 shared bathroom to a gender. So imagine what conservatives would 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:39.120 have did with that all over the nation, the homelessness 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:43.359 and all of that. So then, yes, number three, America 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.240 was not going to vote for a woman of color period. 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.440 And know, in the history of black women and white 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.600 women allyship a leeged allyship, I have never known a 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.840 white woman to give a job to a woman of 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.240 color before they got it. That includes even McDonald's on fries, 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.240 just not gonna have you ever if a white woman 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:02.880 ever said you know what, I think you're more qualified, 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:04.639 go ahead and take it. They didn't give it to 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:06.280 Hillary Clinton. They were not going to give it to her. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.480 I know there was hope. I know you talked about, 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.280 you know, believing in us, but it was never about 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:14.160 us believing in us. It was about us knowing them. 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.120 It's not about being qualified. This was when it came 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.480 down to saying, they didn't give it to Hillary Clinton, 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:22.640 why would they give it to Harris? So that was 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.560 to me an era right out the gate. But we 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.600 had no choice because Biden. 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.600 I think Kamalot as a black woman is the only 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.240 read well first of all two things the last two elections, 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.920 the Democratic Party need to be thinking black women, right, 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.440 because if it wasn't for Jim Clyde Burn telling Joe Biden, hey, 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:41.920 I'm not endorsing you unless you promise that you're gonna 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:43.760 put a black woman on the Supreme Court, I'm not 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.160 endorsing you. So that's what made him endorse Joe Biden. 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.600 He went South Carolina and changed the complexion of his campaign. 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:50.960 If it wasn't for Kamala Harris in twenty twenty I 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:52.320 think a lot of us wouldn't have went out there 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:53.280 and voted for President Biden. 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:54.920 I didn' vote for Psident Biden. I voted Vice presid 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:55.520 Kamala Harss. 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.280 I also think in twenty twenty four, when you look 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.280 at the fact that Joe Biden's presidency was dead, like 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.280 completely dead in the water, and Kamala Harris came to 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.680 the top of the ticket, raised all of this money, 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.240 ended up having the second most votes of any Democratic 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:11.880 nominee ever with seventy four million votes. 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:14.120 I think that only happens because she's a black one. 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:15.760 Well, two things can be true at the same time. 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:18.000 There can be some positives that came with that, but 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:19.839 there also can be some negatives. Where we look at 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:21.320 the data, we don't have to guess. We looked at 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.840 where white women aligned, We looked at where the Latino 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.159 community aligned. We looked at the bottom line data. 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.520 This show Latino men was that was a surprise? 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:33.120 Yeah, why was it a surprise? No, No, Latinos have 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.440 always fifty fifty. They've always When you look at one, 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.760 you know, I organized for the Bernie Sanders campaign in Michigan. 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:40.080 I was the only black woman on the ground in 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.160 twenty fifteen to helped lift that state. Latino community has 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.159 always been divided. When you look at Florida and you 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:47.800 look at the Cuban community, they've always went conservative. When 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.799 you look at the Bernie Sanders the left side the California, 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:52.920 they always go left. They have always strategied, and I 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.680 ain't mad about it. They've always strategically been able to 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:57.679 have leverage because they go fifty to fifty. You remember 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.400 when Joe Biden told black leaders when he won, right 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.400 after you said yeah, right in you said, I owe 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:04.400 you black people. Remember when they had the meeting and 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.200 they leaked the tapes in front of the Al Sharpton 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:08.440 and all them and say, y'all need to go follow 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:10.599 the Latino community because they're the ones that have the leverage. 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:12.440 So I'm not mad at it, but we need to 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:14.000 talk about it for what it is. There might be 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:15.960 a black and brown coalition in New York. You know, 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:17.320 I've talked about that all the time, but when you're 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.760 talking about the set that changed too, they're moving over. 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.000 When you talk about the South, when you talk about 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.119 the Midwest, and particularly when we talk about the West, 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.800 there is no black brown coalition and it's okay for 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.880 people to vote their interests. Also, got news for you, 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.479 black men are conservative. Doing my Joe Biden whisper black 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.880 people are conservative. I don't know why people want to keep, 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:39.640 you know, making that not an issue. So when you're 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:41.960 talking about black men and you're talking about other black 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:43.840 black people with a majority of the country in the South, 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.120 majority of moderate I know progressives want to sell a 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.000 different story. But black people, for the most part of 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:49.719 Martyr and a lot of them lean conservative. Were gonna 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:51.320 get into that when we get into the messaging. But 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.600 let's just kind of go back a little bit. I 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:55.920 agreed that there was some positives to it, but when 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.000 it came down to it, when we looked at race, 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:01.160 white women, to me, just like they did in the midterm, 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.320 just like they did when they were with Obama. Then 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:05.159 they went with Trump, and then they went back to 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:07.640 Democrats in the mid terms, and then they flipped back. 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:10.280 When you're talking about white supremacy and talking about positioning 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:12.839 like what they did with the women suffrage movement, I 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:14.800 just didn't see them doing it for a black woman 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.200 over them. They didn't do it with Hillary Clinton, the 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:20.440 only person that ever beat Donald Trump is Joe Biden, 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:21.520 and I agree with, but. 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:25.719 White women voting for Clinton fifty five percent voting for Biden. 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.120 So the white women been showing out white women, White 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.000 women have showed three elections well. 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.200 But but they were also comfortable with Joe Biden. Let's 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:33.719 remember Joe Biden is one of them. 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.000 Let's go back to what fifty five percent of white 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:37.599 women voted for Trump over Biden. 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.240 Right to align with white supremacy to a lot, because 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.840 this is about white supremacy. This is about would they 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.919 rather have their household ahead of you as as a 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:50.360 black man, their husbands. That's exactly something's wrong and people 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:51.960 need to stop these pundents. Get them another They went 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.760 against their own interest. No, their interest is their household. 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.480 Your interest is your interest. My interest is my interest. 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:59.320 When I keep hearing people say that they went against 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.400 their own interests, no, they've actually aligned with their interest, 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:06.480 which is white man, white woman, black man, black woman. 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:08.480 That's the order, that's how it is. Black people on 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:10.560 the side, check bottom line. We need to just accept that. 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:11.920 I know we want to say black girl, imagine over, 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:13.480 we want to say oh, because black this and that 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.600 black women can't save this country. We need to stop 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.240 selling that dream. Let's get in position and understand what 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:19.680 we can do, which is why I was talking about 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:21.680 the local and state level, and stop trying to sell 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.239 this timeshare scam because to me, it was a timeshair scam. 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:26.160 I agree with you that there was really no other 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.440 choice because Joe Biden was trash. We get that he 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:32.000 was trash. So once they said, okay, let's rally around Harris. 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.040 Now she's a Democratic nominee. Okay, so cool, we're with that. 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.920 Black women raised thirty million dollars after Gate. Black men 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.080 raised thirty million ours Gate. So now we're having to 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.840 deal with who dropped this bag? Who dropped this billion 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.320 dollar bag? And that's the issue when we get into 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.200 how they spent the money. I didn't think she had 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.800 a chance in hell. But once you decided to move forward, okay, 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.280 so what do we do with the money? Black voters? 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:57.120 They lost Black voters across the board. That across the 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.080 board makes a difference when you're talking about Michigan, makes 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:01.840 a difference in North Carolin. So that's where we're getting 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.560 to your concern where you talk about messaging, where the 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:05.600 messaging was all wrong. 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:07.480 I want to ask you about the money. 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:12.480 Is it normal for candidates to give so much money 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.080 to quote unquote entertainment when you're seeing that they paid 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.320 this person to speak and this person to have that back. 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.280 Is that normal when it comes to politics? 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:20.240 Who did they pay to speak? 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:20.520 Though? 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:22.880 Well, allegedly, we'll say any people speak, you. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.080 Get to pay the speed. But the money that it 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.120 took to get the set up, the advanced team, the entertainment. 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.800 So let's go back a little bit. One hundred days 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.240 was impossible even for a white man. In my opinion, 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.400 I just want to go back to one hundred days. 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:38.120 Running a campaign was damn near impossible for anybody in 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.719 particularly a woman of color. So now we're in this 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:42.560 one hundred day thing. In order to get people to 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.000 come out, we do use entertainers, and I push back 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.440 on people say don't use entertainers. It's important killer Mike 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.160 talks about it all the time. We need entertainers to mobilize. 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.520 When you're trying to get that standfield the twenty thirty 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.640 thousand people, you have three days to do it. We 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.200 actually need our entertainers. The problem, though, env is the 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.760 entertainers not necessarily being aligned with organizers on how to 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.120 use their voice throughout the year. I would love to 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:06.400 see pliers like work when an organizer throughout the year, 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.200 not just election season, so that we can continue to 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:11.439 have this conversation. So I don't want to shit on entertainments. 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.880 We need them. But when you have one hundred days 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:17.400 and you're spending more on entertainment setups and not on 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.400 the ground, and you have organizations like until Freedom to 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.400 make the matter they got and again we can look 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.320 at the numbers. The numbers are available online, guy, So 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.599 this ain't making it up. When you're giving organizations like 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.560 that one hundred and fifty thousand dollars and telling them 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:30.880 we'll make it do what to do, that's a problem. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.679 No war is won by just the air force. I'm 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:35.560 an Air Force veteran. You need the air force. Yes, 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.080 you need the big entertainers, you need the media, you 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.640 need the podcast that's the air. But you also need 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:43.120 the ground, you need marines, and you need the army. 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.920 And they bottom line, took black voters for granted, like 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.080 we've been talking about for years. They figure, well, you 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.280 know she's black, so that'll be fine. They literally shit 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:52.880 it on organizations one hundred year organizations got seventy five 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.400 thousand dollars, one hundred thousand dollars. One hundred black men. 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:57.880 I believe they got like seventy five thousand, hundred thousand dollars. 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.000 So what is that saying on how you're trying to organiz, 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:02.720 you know, with black men. So that's an issue when 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.200 we talk about this billion dollar back, and not just 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:08.680 because of now envy, but also the infrastructure that we're 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:12.200 trying to build. So midterms in March, and I'm independent, 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.240 so I'm just giving you know what it looks like 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.600 to build this house. You need this money flowing year round. 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.199 They're trying to build now. So your opponent is over 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.880 building a house with adding on, swimming pools, adding on garages, 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:25.840 adding on all this and then they come give the 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.520 money two three weeks before the election is over. Before 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.360 the election, Black organizations did not get money until three 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:36.280 weeks before. Literally they told the churches, yeah, nothing they 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:37.480 can do with it, and then saying we're here, go 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:39.560 two hundred thousand dollars. Make a doe to do. And 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:41.679 what I found this time is the gatekeepers got gate 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.200 kept because the streets was never getting the money. So 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.080 when they were calling me dropping dives, hot tests, and 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:47.960 we only got these only at that last time, we 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:49.120 got a lot of money. I said, I'm here to 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:50.680 tell the streets and never got any of it. But 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.439 now as the gatekeepers got gate kept for the first time, 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:57.200 Derrick Johnson literally calling out the campaign in an article saying, 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:59.679 you guys are not spending money with black media. You're 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.400 not money on the ground. We are literally starving. Most 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.040 of these organizations had to use this money on their own, 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.560 and that makes a difference when you're talking about getting 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:08.360 out the vote. 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:10.840 Trump didn't use his money as much for entertainers. 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:12.559 No, he didn't at all. Well, he doesn't get a 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.680 lot of earned media get a lot of earn men. Also, 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:19.600 Trump has been organizing and he's never stopped for ten years, 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.640 non stop. When you have a rally every month, when 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.360 you're engaging people every month, when he's using social media, 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:27.760 when he's using truth, he's okay, Twitter, you don't want 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:29.440 to work with me, cool, I I'll just go start 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:33.640 my own. He has a non stop organizing machine that 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.520 democrats just don't do. They don't develop those relationships. They 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:39.640 come in, Okay, we got six months, let's make it 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:41.680 do what to do. So this is the result, and 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:43.720 so people can say, well, that's just ten percent, that's 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:45.839 just one percent, But when you add up those numbers 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.160 across the board, it makes a difference. And I also 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.160 want to say this, Black Conservitives, I want us to 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:52.600 have more leverage. I also want us to have more 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.959 positioning within the Republican Party if you're going to move 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.160 over to the Publican side, whereas our leadership, you. 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:58.760 Know, when it comes to that, she run again? Can 0:11:58.840 --> 0:11:59.840 Kamala Harris run again? 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.520 Let's get through our points. 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:05.679 Way before you go to the next thing. I have 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:07.959 a question because it's about what you're talking about. So 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:11.240 you saw Candis Owens going back and forth Miss Tina 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:14.000 knows about Beyonce and Beyonce being involved in the rally 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:17.040 in Houston to the point that Cannis was making it's 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.160 kind of what you're saying. Do you think that how 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.680 do you utilize a major celebrity like a Beyonce because 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:24.400 she's not going to be on the ground, and what 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.719 should Kamala Harris's campaign have done better utilizing a big 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:31.160 celebrity of that nature, because she's getting dragged for it 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.079 because they're saying it looks unauthentic, and Cand's owns is 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.160 saying it looks unauthentic and this is why you didn't win. 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.880 But Beyonce is not going to be outside like you 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:39.480 get what I'm saying. 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.040 Like they filled the stadium in Houston to Beyonce. 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.760 Yeah, you have to feel the stadium. And I'm an 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.319 organizer first before I'm a pundits. So when we use 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:52.360 people like that to tell Hooy never knocked on our doors, 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.400 I kind of discredit what they're saying. She has to 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:56.760 find talking points to talk about her opponent, period, point blank. 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.240 When it comes to Canis owns, I use Killing Mike 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.240 as an example. You know our brother Killer Mike. He's 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:04.040 an organizer first. He's always been an organizer before he 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.760 was a rapper before, Daniels says, he's an organizer. So 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.320 when you go to Atlanta, Georgia, and you don't call 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.920 Killer Mike to take you to the same spots that 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.000 they took, the same Chick fil A that they took 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.480 Trump to, the same the West side of Atlanta had 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.160 zero signs on the ground. When you don't utilize a 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.920 Killer Mike. They got barbershops all throughout Atlanta, and he's 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:25.280 literally made himself available. 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:26.839 You could have been sitting in a bank HC Food 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.960 right by the way. And to Ted's point, Killer Mike 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:30.960 did make himself available. 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.760 He made himself a fact. This is a fact. And 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.280 you shit on that and you think that's not important. 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.559 When an organizer who literally has him and Tip has 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.680 literally put mayors in office, that's telling me how you 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.480 feel about your black outreach. Oh, they'll just do it 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.120 because she's black. Well, I got news for you. The 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.320 black vote went the opposite direction. It went the opposite 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:53.640 direction because people are getting tired of being taken advantage of. 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:57.599 They're being tired of not having this conversation year around Charlemagne. 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.920 And so when you guys did I'm just gonna go 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.680 ahead and say it. When you did the thing in Michigan, Yeah, 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.959 Zeke new Ara of Detroit sitting right there in the things. 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.360 I asked them, Hey, campaign have reached out toll you 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.520 me laughing, said no, he said none. To me. You 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.240 can't organize in Detroit and not think you need to 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.760 talk to a Zeke or a new Ara of Detroit. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.160 That man not only is organized in Detroit, all over 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.760 the country. So when you think that people are just 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.240 going to do it just because thirty three percent of 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:28.040 Detroit is living below the poverty line. So what is 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.680 that telling you? You had Rashida to leave, who organized 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:34.120 the Arab American community that literally voted for Trump. Literally, 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.160 Dearborn voted for Trump. And then you had the black 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.200 vote that was depressed, meaning just not even interested, saying 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.000 fuck it, you know the government, it's hurting my pocket. 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:43.040 Voted for Trump. 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:47.960 Dear Born. Well, you know they had the one hundred thousand. 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:49.640 They had one hundred thousand people go to the point, 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.280 this ain't being talked to about enough. One hundred thousand 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.600 people went to the polls to say we are uncommitted. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.080 Remember she just sleep literally did a video and said, 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.880 Joe Biden, we ain't fucking with you until there's a ceasefire. 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.920 We ain't fucking with you. That was doing the primary. 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:07.920 Your number one opponent was a Democrat elected official in 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:12.160 Michigan that was literally basically telling voters sort to sit 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:15.440 out and had them go to the polls to vote 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.840 I am uncommitted. So that same Dearborn, which she represents, 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:24.160 she represents Detroit as well, Dearborn voted for Trump. You 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.120 look at that, you look at the two three percent 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.120 of of the black votes. They couldn't get out of Detroit. 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.480 So now you're talking about how you can win Michigan. 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:32.640 Those are the things, you know, the people are not 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:34.840 looking at. And Michigan had a lot of leverage, but 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:36.720 he won all swing states, you know, so it wasn't 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:38.880 just Michigan. But that's a real problem. You got black 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:42.240 people starving in Detroit. You got Dearborn asking for ceasefire. 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.160 You got the labor union and this is how we 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.920 won Michigan with Bernie Sanders. You got the labor union. 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.280 They won't strike all last year and the year before that, 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:52.960 so those people were pissed. You have the college students 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.920 who were also pushing you know, anti war and removed 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.120 college debt was an issue. So those four or five 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.280 constituents in Michigan made the difference on why you lost. 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.480 So it was a number of things, you know, it's 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:05.800 not just one thing over the other. It's a number 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:06.040 of things. 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:06.280 I know. 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.120 The podcast was important. It is important to have podcasts. 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.000 It is important to be able to reach thirty million 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.040 people at one time. But if you're doing that and 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:16.880 you're telling organizations like Until Freedom are organization similar that 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:18.600 here go one hundred thousand, and you need to go 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.800 to seven states and make it work. When you have 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:22.920 the Church of God in Christ. Think they got one thousand, 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:24.560 two hundred thousand and said, hey, go go make a 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:26.520 do what to do? It was impossible? 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:28.320 You know what I'd like to see. I agree, you know, 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:29.560 I think you got to hit them both right. You 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:30.920 got to have a ground game, man, you got to 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:32.880 have a mean digital game. I would like to see 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:36.320 some of the grassroots activists on the ground. I would 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:39.640 like to see them start adapting the social media as well, 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.840 because I feel like those organizations need it. 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:45.240