Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2: Breakfast Club morning, everybody is d j n V just hilarious.
Speaker 3: Charlamagne the guy. We are the breakfast club along the
Speaker 3: roaster feeling And for Jess, we got a special guest
Speaker 3: in the building.
Speaker 2: Thanks, gentlemen. She's back, Miss Teslin figure Oh, welcome back.
Speaker 4: Hello, Hello, Hello, are you feeling good morning? Good morning?
Speaker 4: Good morning? Lord?
Speaker 2: How are you feeling this?
Speaker 4: Feeling good? I am, I'm really feeling good. It's good
Speaker 4: to be back back with family. Chopped up. Which y'all
Speaker 4: drop some dimes, named some names.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, here to get well.
Speaker 4: We're dropping dimes on test, dropping downs on everybody from
Speaker 4: top to bottom.
Speaker 2: Let's start right off with the president presidential election. Why
Speaker 2: did V P. Harris lose?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Man, I should have rolled my white board that many yeah,
Speaker 4: that many yeah. And the reason why it's important, I
Speaker 4: literally have my stuff in order because a lot of
Speaker 4: people MV said, you know, she lost because of this reason.
Speaker 4: She lost because of that. And it's really in the Midwest.
Speaker 4: The tornado requires water, humidity, when you know multiple things,
Speaker 4: it's not one reason. And when I hear people saying,
Speaker 4: you know, oh, if he just did better, with the
Speaker 4: messaging or if they did better with the media. I've
Speaker 4: really kind of put together a list of flowchart on
Speaker 4: how basically a colossal fuck up from top to bottom.
Speaker 4: So you're doing, yeah, we're doing optops, we're doing to
Speaker 4: pull out tops. So if we just really take it
Speaker 4: from the top, as we all said, Joe Biden should
Speaker 4: have never ran. We have to first, you know, start there.
Speaker 4: Should have never ran. He said it was a one time,
Speaker 4: it was gonna be a one term president. We talked
Speaker 4: about it multiple times. He actually volunteered that life to say, hey,
Speaker 4: I'm only going to run one term. I'm coming in
Speaker 4: just to stop Trump immediately. Then they should have started
Speaker 4: building a base immediately right out the gate. Trump was
Speaker 4: still campaigning this entire time. We talked about it. We
Speaker 4: talked about how it was constant rallies, constant organizing. You
Speaker 4: and I talked about it on the Van Jones Show.
Speaker 4: We're saying, you guys really have to continue the organizing
Speaker 4: year round. And that's why I blame a lot of
Speaker 4: the people at the top who have the ear of
Speaker 4: the you know, of the candidates and Campaignton's because they've
Speaker 4: been told this multiple multiple times so it should have
Speaker 4: found a white man right then and there. Who was
Speaker 4: going to be next in line to build a white man,
Speaker 4: a white man, absolutely young white man, right then and there.
Speaker 4: And it's not Governor Newso, by the way, a lot
Speaker 4: of people keep saying that govern Newson will get swamped.
Speaker 2: So did think Kamala was gonna win? No, right at
Speaker 2: the game? No, no, no, question's a black woman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, so that that's number three. So let's first
Speaker 4: get that. So they should have establish a bitch and
Speaker 4: didn't do that. Governor knew somebody just want to put
Speaker 4: that out there. A lot of people like him, great debater,
Speaker 4: he would have got swamped. You have to remember he
Speaker 4: literally passed to be O K through twelve to have
Speaker 4: shared bathroom to a gender. So imagine what conservatives would
Speaker 4: have did with that all over the nation, the homelessness
Speaker 4: and all of that. So then, yes, number three, America
Speaker 4: was not going to vote for a woman of color period.
Speaker 4: And know, in the history of black women and white
Speaker 4: women allyship a leeged allyship, I have never known a
Speaker 4: white woman to give a job to a woman of
Speaker 4: color before they got it. That includes even McDonald's on fries,
Speaker 4: just not gonna have you ever if a white woman
Speaker 4: ever said you know what, I think you're more qualified,
Speaker 4: go ahead and take it. They didn't give it to
Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton. They were not going to give it to her.
Speaker 4: I know there was hope. I know you talked about,
Speaker 4: you know, believing in us, but it was never about
Speaker 4: us believing in us. It was about us knowing them.
Speaker 4: It's not about being qualified. This was when it came
Speaker 4: down to saying, they didn't give it to Hillary Clinton,
Speaker 4: why would they give it to Harris? So that was
Speaker 4: to me an era right out the gate. But we
Speaker 4: had no choice because Biden.
Speaker 5: I think Kamalot as a black woman is the only
Speaker 5: read well first of all two things the last two elections,
Speaker 5: the Democratic Party need to be thinking black women, right,
Speaker 5: because if it wasn't for Jim Clyde Burn telling Joe Biden, hey,
Speaker 5: I'm not endorsing you unless you promise that you're gonna
Speaker 5: put a black woman on the Supreme Court, I'm not
Speaker 5: endorsing you. So that's what made him endorse Joe Biden.
Speaker 5: He went South Carolina and changed the complexion of his campaign.
Speaker 5: If it wasn't for Kamala Harris in twenty twenty I
Speaker 5: think a lot of us wouldn't have went out there
Speaker 5: and voted for President Biden.
Speaker 1: I didn' vote for Psident Biden. I voted Vice presid
Speaker 1: Kamala Harss.
Speaker 5: I also think in twenty twenty four, when you look
Speaker 5: at the fact that Joe Biden's presidency was dead, like
Speaker 5: completely dead in the water, and Kamala Harris came to
Speaker 5: the top of the ticket, raised all of this money,
Speaker 5: ended up having the second most votes of any Democratic
Speaker 5: nominee ever with seventy four million votes.
Speaker 1: I think that only happens because she's a black one.
Speaker 4: Well, two things can be true at the same time.
Speaker 4: There can be some positives that came with that, but
Speaker 4: there also can be some negatives. Where we look at
Speaker 4: the data, we don't have to guess. We looked at
Speaker 4: where white women aligned, We looked at where the Latino
Speaker 4: community aligned. We looked at the bottom line data.
Speaker 1: This show Latino men was that was a surprise?
Speaker 4: Yeah, why was it a surprise? No, No, Latinos have
Speaker 4: always fifty fifty. They've always When you look at one,
Speaker 4: you know, I organized for the Bernie Sanders campaign in Michigan.
Speaker 4: I was the only black woman on the ground in
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen to helped lift that state. Latino community has
Speaker 4: always been divided. When you look at Florida and you
Speaker 4: look at the Cuban community, they've always went conservative. When
Speaker 4: you look at the Bernie Sanders the left side the California,
Speaker 4: they always go left. They have always strategied, and I
Speaker 4: ain't mad about it. They've always strategically been able to
Speaker 4: have leverage because they go fifty to fifty. You remember
Speaker 4: when Joe Biden told black leaders when he won, right
Speaker 4: after you said yeah, right in you said, I owe
Speaker 4: you black people. Remember when they had the meeting and
Speaker 4: they leaked the tapes in front of the Al Sharpton
Speaker 4: and all them and say, y'all need to go follow
Speaker 4: the Latino community because they're the ones that have the leverage.
Speaker 4: So I'm not mad at it, but we need to
Speaker 4: talk about it for what it is. There might be
Speaker 4: a black and brown coalition in New York. You know,
Speaker 4: I've talked about that all the time, but when you're
Speaker 4: talking about the set that changed too, they're moving over.
Speaker 4: When you talk about the South, when you talk about
Speaker 4: the Midwest, and particularly when we talk about the West,
Speaker 4: there is no black brown coalition and it's okay for
Speaker 4: people to vote their interests. Also, got news for you,
Speaker 4: black men are conservative. Doing my Joe Biden whisper black
Speaker 4: people are conservative. I don't know why people want to keep,
Speaker 4: you know, making that not an issue. So when you're
Speaker 4: talking about black men and you're talking about other black
Speaker 4: black people with a majority of the country in the South,
Speaker 4: majority of moderate I know progressives want to sell a
Speaker 4: different story. But black people, for the most part of
Speaker 4: Martyr and a lot of them lean conservative. Were gonna
Speaker 4: get into that when we get into the messaging. But
Speaker 4: let's just kind of go back a little bit. I
Speaker 4: agreed that there was some positives to it, but when
Speaker 4: it came down to it, when we looked at race,
Speaker 4: white women, to me, just like they did in the midterm,
Speaker 4: just like they did when they were with Obama. Then
Speaker 4: they went with Trump, and then they went back to
Speaker 4: Democrats in the mid terms, and then they flipped back.
Speaker 4: When you're talking about white supremacy and talking about positioning
Speaker 4: like what they did with the women suffrage movement, I
Speaker 4: just didn't see them doing it for a black woman
Speaker 4: over them. They didn't do it with Hillary Clinton, the
Speaker 4: only person that ever beat Donald Trump is Joe Biden,
Speaker 4: and I agree with, but.
Speaker 5: White women voting for Clinton fifty five percent voting for Biden.
Speaker 5: So the white women been showing out white women, White
Speaker 5: women have showed three elections well.
Speaker 4: But but they were also comfortable with Joe Biden. Let's
Speaker 4: remember Joe Biden is one of them.
Speaker 5: Let's go back to what fifty five percent of white
Speaker 5: women voted for Trump over Biden.
Speaker 4: Right to align with white supremacy to a lot, because
Speaker 4: this is about white supremacy. This is about would they
Speaker 4: rather have their household ahead of you as as a
Speaker 4: black man, their husbands. That's exactly something's wrong and people
Speaker 4: need to stop these pundents. Get them another They went
Speaker 4: against their own interest. No, their interest is their household.
Speaker 4: Your interest is your interest. My interest is my interest.
Speaker 4: When I keep hearing people say that they went against
Speaker 4: their own interests, no, they've actually aligned with their interest,
Speaker 4: which is white man, white woman, black man, black woman.
Speaker 4: That's the order, that's how it is. Black people on
Speaker 4: the side, check bottom line. We need to just accept that.
Speaker 4: I know we want to say black girl, imagine over,
Speaker 4: we want to say oh, because black this and that
Speaker 4: black women can't save this country. We need to stop
Speaker 4: selling that dream. Let's get in position and understand what
Speaker 4: we can do, which is why I was talking about
Speaker 4: the local and state level, and stop trying to sell
Speaker 4: this timeshare scam because to me, it was a timeshair scam.
Speaker 4: I agree with you that there was really no other
Speaker 4: choice because Joe Biden was trash. We get that he
Speaker 4: was trash. So once they said, okay, let's rally around Harris.
Speaker 4: Now she's a Democratic nominee. Okay, so cool, we're with that.
Speaker 4: Black women raised thirty million dollars after Gate. Black men
Speaker 4: raised thirty million ours Gate. So now we're having to
Speaker 4: deal with who dropped this bag? Who dropped this billion
Speaker 4: dollar bag? And that's the issue when we get into
Speaker 4: how they spent the money. I didn't think she had
Speaker 4: a chance in hell. But once you decided to move forward, okay,
Speaker 4: so what do we do with the money? Black voters?
Speaker 4: They lost Black voters across the board. That across the
Speaker 4: board makes a difference when you're talking about Michigan, makes
Speaker 4: a difference in North Carolin. So that's where we're getting
Speaker 4: to your concern where you talk about messaging, where the
Speaker 4: messaging was all wrong.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about the money.
Speaker 3: Is it normal for candidates to give so much money
Speaker 3: to quote unquote entertainment when you're seeing that they paid
Speaker 3: this person to speak and this person to have that back.
Speaker 3: Is that normal when it comes to politics?
Speaker 1: Who did they pay to speak?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 2: Well, allegedly, we'll say any people speak, you.
Speaker 4: Get to pay the speed. But the money that it
Speaker 4: took to get the set up, the advanced team, the entertainment.
Speaker 4: So let's go back a little bit. One hundred days
Speaker 4: was impossible even for a white man. In my opinion,
Speaker 4: I just want to go back to one hundred days.
Speaker 4: Running a campaign was damn near impossible for anybody in
Speaker 4: particularly a woman of color. So now we're in this
Speaker 4: one hundred day thing. In order to get people to
Speaker 4: come out, we do use entertainers, and I push back
Speaker 4: on people say don't use entertainers. It's important killer Mike
Speaker 4: talks about it all the time. We need entertainers to mobilize.
Speaker 4: When you're trying to get that standfield the twenty thirty
Speaker 4: thousand people, you have three days to do it. We
Speaker 4: actually need our entertainers. The problem, though, env is the
Speaker 4: entertainers not necessarily being aligned with organizers on how to
Speaker 4: use their voice throughout the year. I would love to
Speaker 4: see pliers like work when an organizer throughout the year,
Speaker 4: not just election season, so that we can continue to
Speaker 4: have this conversation. So I don't want to shit on entertainments.
Speaker 4: We need them. But when you have one hundred days
Speaker 4: and you're spending more on entertainment setups and not on
Speaker 4: the ground, and you have organizations like until Freedom to
Speaker 4: make the matter they got and again we can look
Speaker 4: at the numbers. The numbers are available online, guy, So
Speaker 4: this ain't making it up. When you're giving organizations like
Speaker 4: that one hundred and fifty thousand dollars and telling them
Speaker 4: we'll make it do what to do, that's a problem.
Speaker 4: No war is won by just the air force. I'm
Speaker 4: an Air Force veteran. You need the air force. Yes,
Speaker 4: you need the big entertainers, you need the media, you
Speaker 4: need the podcast that's the air. But you also need
Speaker 4: the ground, you need marines, and you need the army.
Speaker 4: And they bottom line, took black voters for granted, like
Speaker 4: we've been talking about for years. They figure, well, you
Speaker 4: know she's black, so that'll be fine. They literally shit
Speaker 4: it on organizations one hundred year organizations got seventy five
Speaker 4: thousand dollars, one hundred thousand dollars. One hundred black men.
Speaker 4: I believe they got like seventy five thousand, hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: So what is that saying on how you're trying to organiz,
Speaker 4: you know, with black men. So that's an issue when
Speaker 4: we talk about this billion dollar back, and not just
Speaker 4: because of now envy, but also the infrastructure that we're
Speaker 4: trying to build. So midterms in March, and I'm independent,
Speaker 4: so I'm just giving you know what it looks like
Speaker 4: to build this house. You need this money flowing year round.
Speaker 4: They're trying to build now. So your opponent is over
Speaker 4: building a house with adding on, swimming pools, adding on garages,
Speaker 4: adding on all this and then they come give the
Speaker 4: money two three weeks before the election is over. Before
Speaker 4: the election, Black organizations did not get money until three
Speaker 4: weeks before. Literally they told the churches, yeah, nothing they
Speaker 4: can do with it, and then saying we're here, go
Speaker 4: two hundred thousand dollars. Make a doe to do. And
Speaker 4: what I found this time is the gatekeepers got gate
Speaker 4: kept because the streets was never getting the money. So
Speaker 4: when they were calling me dropping dives, hot tests, and
Speaker 4: we only got these only at that last time, we
Speaker 4: got a lot of money. I said, I'm here to
Speaker 4: tell the streets and never got any of it. But
Speaker 4: now as the gatekeepers got gate kept for the first time,
Speaker 4: Derrick Johnson literally calling out the campaign in an article saying,
Speaker 4: you guys are not spending money with black media. You're
Speaker 4: not money on the ground. We are literally starving. Most
Speaker 4: of these organizations had to use this money on their own,
Speaker 4: and that makes a difference when you're talking about getting
Speaker 4: out the vote.
Speaker 2: Trump didn't use his money as much for entertainers.
Speaker 4: No, he didn't at all. Well, he doesn't get a
Speaker 4: lot of earned media get a lot of earn men. Also,
Speaker 4: Trump has been organizing and he's never stopped for ten years,
Speaker 4: non stop. When you have a rally every month, when
Speaker 4: you're engaging people every month, when he's using social media,
Speaker 4: when he's using truth, he's okay, Twitter, you don't want
Speaker 4: to work with me, cool, I I'll just go start
Speaker 4: my own. He has a non stop organizing machine that
Speaker 4: democrats just don't do. They don't develop those relationships. They
Speaker 4: come in, Okay, we got six months, let's make it
Speaker 4: do what to do. So this is the result, and
Speaker 4: so people can say, well, that's just ten percent, that's
Speaker 4: just one percent, But when you add up those numbers
Speaker 4: across the board, it makes a difference. And I also
Speaker 4: want to say this, Black Conservitives, I want us to
Speaker 4: have more leverage. I also want us to have more
Speaker 4: positioning within the Republican Party if you're going to move
Speaker 4: over to the Publican side, whereas our leadership, you.
Speaker 2: Know, when it comes to that, she run again? Can
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris run again?
Speaker 1: Let's get through our points.
Speaker 6: Way before you go to the next thing. I have
Speaker 6: a question because it's about what you're talking about. So
Speaker 6: you saw Candis Owens going back and forth Miss Tina
Speaker 6: knows about Beyonce and Beyonce being involved in the rally
Speaker 6: in Houston to the point that Cannis was making it's
Speaker 6: kind of what you're saying. Do you think that how
Speaker 6: do you utilize a major celebrity like a Beyonce because
Speaker 6: she's not going to be on the ground, and what
Speaker 6: should Kamala Harris's campaign have done better utilizing a big
Speaker 6: celebrity of that nature, because she's getting dragged for it
Speaker 6: because they're saying it looks unauthentic, and Cand's owns is
Speaker 6: saying it looks unauthentic and this is why you didn't win.
Speaker 6: But Beyonce is not going to be outside like you
Speaker 6: get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like they filled the stadium in Houston to Beyonce.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to feel the stadium. And I'm an
Speaker 4: organizer first before I'm a pundits. So when we use
Speaker 4: people like that to tell Hooy never knocked on our doors,
Speaker 4: I kind of discredit what they're saying. She has to
Speaker 4: find talking points to talk about her opponent, period, point blank.
Speaker 4: When it comes to Canis owns, I use Killing Mike
Speaker 4: as an example. You know our brother Killer Mike. He's
Speaker 4: an organizer first. He's always been an organizer before he
Speaker 4: was a rapper before, Daniels says, he's an organizer. So
Speaker 4: when you go to Atlanta, Georgia, and you don't call
Speaker 4: Killer Mike to take you to the same spots that
Speaker 4: they took, the same Chick fil A that they took
Speaker 4: Trump to, the same the West side of Atlanta had
Speaker 4: zero signs on the ground. When you don't utilize a
Speaker 4: Killer Mike. They got barbershops all throughout Atlanta, and he's
Speaker 4: literally made himself available.
Speaker 5: You could have been sitting in a bank HC Food
Speaker 5: right by the way. And to Ted's point, Killer Mike
Speaker 5: did make himself available.
Speaker 4: He made himself a fact. This is a fact. And
Speaker 4: you shit on that and you think that's not important.
Speaker 4: When an organizer who literally has him and Tip has
Speaker 4: literally put mayors in office, that's telling me how you
Speaker 4: feel about your black outreach. Oh, they'll just do it
Speaker 4: because she's black. Well, I got news for you. The
Speaker 4: black vote went the opposite direction. It went the opposite
Speaker 4: direction because people are getting tired of being taken advantage of.
Speaker 4: They're being tired of not having this conversation year around Charlemagne.
Speaker 4: And so when you guys did I'm just gonna go
Speaker 4: ahead and say it. When you did the thing in Michigan, Yeah,
Speaker 4: Zeke new Ara of Detroit sitting right there in the things.
Speaker 4: I asked them, Hey, campaign have reached out toll you
Speaker 4: me laughing, said no, he said none. To me. You
Speaker 4: can't organize in Detroit and not think you need to
Speaker 4: talk to a Zeke or a new Ara of Detroit.
Speaker 4: That man not only is organized in Detroit, all over
Speaker 4: the country. So when you think that people are just
Speaker 4: going to do it just because thirty three percent of
Speaker 4: Detroit is living below the poverty line. So what is
Speaker 4: that telling you? You had Rashida to leave, who organized
Speaker 4: the Arab American community that literally voted for Trump. Literally,
Speaker 4: Dearborn voted for Trump. And then you had the black
Speaker 4: vote that was depressed, meaning just not even interested, saying
Speaker 4: fuck it, you know the government, it's hurting my pocket.
Speaker 1: Voted for Trump.
Speaker 4: Dear Born. Well, you know they had the one hundred thousand.
Speaker 4: They had one hundred thousand people go to the point,
Speaker 4: this ain't being talked to about enough. One hundred thousand
Speaker 4: people went to the polls to say we are uncommitted.
Speaker 4: Remember she just sleep literally did a video and said,
Speaker 4: Joe Biden, we ain't fucking with you until there's a ceasefire.
Speaker 4: We ain't fucking with you. That was doing the primary.
Speaker 4: Your number one opponent was a Democrat elected official in
Speaker 4: Michigan that was literally basically telling voters sort to sit
Speaker 4: out and had them go to the polls to vote
Speaker 4: I am uncommitted. So that same Dearborn, which she represents,
Speaker 4: she represents Detroit as well, Dearborn voted for Trump. You
Speaker 4: look at that, you look at the two three percent
Speaker 4: of of the black votes. They couldn't get out of Detroit.
Speaker 4: So now you're talking about how you can win Michigan.
Speaker 4: Those are the things, you know, the people are not
Speaker 4: looking at. And Michigan had a lot of leverage, but
Speaker 4: he won all swing states, you know, so it wasn't
Speaker 4: just Michigan. But that's a real problem. You got black
Speaker 4: people starving in Detroit. You got Dearborn asking for ceasefire.
Speaker 4: You got the labor union and this is how we
Speaker 4: won Michigan with Bernie Sanders. You got the labor union.
Speaker 4: They won't strike all last year and the year before that,
Speaker 4: so those people were pissed. You have the college students
Speaker 4: who were also pushing you know, anti war and removed
Speaker 4: college debt was an issue. So those four or five
Speaker 4: constituents in Michigan made the difference on why you lost.
Speaker 4: So it was a number of things, you know, it's
Speaker 4: not just one thing over the other. It's a number
Speaker 4: of things.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 4: The podcast was important. It is important to have podcasts.
Speaker 4: It is important to be able to reach thirty million
Speaker 4: people at one time. But if you're doing that and
Speaker 4: you're telling organizations like Until Freedom are organization similar that
Speaker 4: here go one hundred thousand, and you need to go
Speaker 4: to seven states and make it work. When you have
Speaker 4: the Church of God in Christ. Think they got one thousand,
Speaker 4: two hundred thousand and said, hey, go go make a
Speaker 4: do what to do? It was impossible?
Speaker 5: You know what I'd like to see. I agree, you know,
Speaker 5: I think you got to hit them both right. You
Speaker 5: got to have a ground game, man, you got to
Speaker 5: have a mean digital game. I would like to see
Speaker 5: some of the grassroots activists on the ground. I would
Speaker 5: like to see them start adapting the social media as well,
Speaker 5: because I feel like those organizations need it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, the partnership. It's not just you know
Speaker 4: one thing. I think a report today said one in
Speaker 4: every three people get their news with social media. I
Speaker 4: think it's actually higher than that. So we're not partnering
Speaker 4: in social media and having that ground game to be
Speaker 4: you know, to double it up. It's dead in the water.
Speaker 4: But you still have to have people knocking on those doors.
Speaker 4: And bottom line, they should have just bought boats at
Speaker 4: this point when you got one hundred days, some of
Speaker 4: these nonprofits that are out here, somebody in Detroit, you
Speaker 4: could have funded them. You could have the same way
Speaker 4: Trump had Kwame Kapatrick, you know, the same way they
Speaker 4: had Harry O. People, Oh what Harry Old doing? That
Speaker 4: make a difference. So people was looking for partons in
Speaker 4: clemencies and all that Democrats have pardoned far more than
Speaker 4: Republicans have. I asked Governor Westmore, why are you not
Speaker 4: talking about I think it was what close to two
Speaker 4: hundred thousand people that he partoned for marijuana. Why are
Speaker 4: y'all not talking about that? Why is that not something
Speaker 4: y'all talking about? So when Trump brings a trick trick
Speaker 4: from Detroit and people don't shave room, Who's trick trick?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 4: No, where is Detroit?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: Damn well, who trick trick is? So when people see that,
Speaker 4: they're like, well, shit, I don't know what to believe
Speaker 4: that one two percent of falling off makes a difference.
Speaker 4: Trump capitalized on the lost man, something I've been talking
Speaker 4: about for fifteen years straight, the hood, which were the
Speaker 4: lost man, men who felt like they were not being heard,
Speaker 4: people who felt like they were not being understood. Again,
Speaker 4: I'm talking to civic about black people. I'm not talking
Speaker 4: about this working ass because that translates to white working class.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about black people who felt like they were
Speaker 4: not being heard, were not being understood, and Trump capitalized
Speaker 4: on that. People asked, oh, why did he use Ambrose? Well,
Speaker 4: guess what she's from where?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: That's a swing state, So you don't have to like
Speaker 4: his shave room. But that was very strategic. It made
Speaker 4: sense to have ice worar Vesso, you know in Detroit,
Speaker 4: even though in the shave room, who is he? I
Speaker 4: don't know? He is Detroit. That one or two percent
Speaker 4: made a difference. Why didn't you reach out to Kawomei
Speaker 4: Capatrick because he a fela? Is that why you don't
Speaker 4: think it was important to at least, if nothing else,
Speaker 4: minimize your enemy. There's two things you do in a campaign.
Speaker 4: Minimize your enemy, maximize your friends. You didn't even reach
Speaker 4: out to that man for a conversation. Whether you like
Speaker 4: what he did in Detroit or not, the man still
Speaker 4: was elected, His mama was elected. He comes from a
Speaker 4: very long lineage you know of folks in Detroit, and
Speaker 4: I think that's even it's worth having the conversation. So
Speaker 4: Trump was able to appear as if he was one
Speaker 4: of them, which he was not. By the way, he's
Speaker 4: a white man who obviously, if black man could have
Speaker 4: never gotten away with what he got with the Fellas,
Speaker 4: but he was able to appear as if he was.
Speaker 4: He was able to appear that connection. Why didn't they
Speaker 4: talk about what Governor Newsom did in California removing the
Speaker 4: gang enhancement, removing the gang INHS you got homies who
Speaker 4: are literally getting on the yard for the very first time.
Speaker 4: If you do the crime due to time, no problem
Speaker 4: with that. But in California, most people are affiliated with
Speaker 4: the gang just by based on where you live. So
Speaker 4: Governor Newso has passed great legislation that has allowed people
Speaker 4: to come home, that has allowed people to actually get
Speaker 4: on the yard for the very first time. I got
Speaker 4: ten thousand homies right now in LA that were organized
Speaker 4: for the next governor just based off that one thing.
Speaker 4: They didn't talk about those things envy because they sit
Speaker 4: in this elitist positioning, you know, of let's just not
Speaker 4: talk about that, you know, let's just fell let's go
Speaker 4: hide and go low. And Trump was able to capitalize
Speaker 4: on that. That made a difference when you're talking about a
Speaker 4: ten percent Yeah, I think.
Speaker 5: I think it's hard for them to capitalize on something
Speaker 5: like the new some thing because it is something that's
Speaker 5: regulated to California. Like the first step back was a
Speaker 5: federal a federal law that people act that. He did
Speaker 5: a phenomenal job of showing, look, I bought this person home,
Speaker 5: and I bought that person home, and like there was
Speaker 5: other people on social media that would talk about, ma'am,
Speaker 5: my people just came home because of the first step back.
Speaker 5: I actually think the first step back people don't really
Speaker 5: credit that enough. They want to talk about stimulus checks
Speaker 5: and PPP loans. But when you can actually see one
Speaker 5: of your homies come home from prison, that's a big deal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we saw what happened in real time. But
Speaker 4: I just wanted to push you back Libit on how
Speaker 4: you capitalize against that, How you can capitalize when you
Speaker 4: look at what Governor Moore was able to do the
Speaker 4: federal when they took the federal for the marijuana.
Speaker 1: Yeah, simple possesson marijuana.
Speaker 4: You show the connection. So yes, that was federal, right,
Speaker 4: but Governor Moore was able to actually utilize that. Without
Speaker 4: that federal partnership, it wouldn't have happened. So it does
Speaker 4: trickle down. But the Democrats never connect the dots to
Speaker 4: show you this is how it actually works. Federal was
Speaker 4: able to help the state. State was able to have
Speaker 4: the local and so on and so forth. So there's
Speaker 4: ways to do it. They just don't do it, Charlemagne,
Speaker 4: because they feel as if, you know, let's focus on
Speaker 4: these imaginary voters. Let's spend all this money on white women.
Speaker 4: Let's spend all this money on Yeah. So Trump was
Speaker 4: able to capitalize on that. Just another Remember this is
Speaker 4: about margins in the swing state. So when you got
Speaker 4: one or two percent that's saying I'm sitting on the couch,
Speaker 4: or one or two percent of saying I'm going in
Speaker 4: a different direction, it makes a difference.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, especially when you look at the election.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think what Trump had seventy six point
Speaker 5: one million votes, Harris had seventy four and it's just
Speaker 5: all those margins. She lost by the margins in a
Speaker 5: lot of those swings seats.
Speaker 6: So what you think about Trump's cabinet, and I it's
Speaker 6: his choices for his cabinet right now, because I mean,
Speaker 6: these are the people that are gonna have to be Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't think nothing. I think Republicans, ran Democrats, ran
Speaker 4: is gonna be a dictator. Guess what they want a dictator.
Speaker 4: We've been saying this forever. We've been talking about this
Speaker 4: day of bipartisanship, and let's just get it through Congress,
Speaker 4: we said, Charlotmane. You know I said a many times,
Speaker 4: like with the the George Floyd to Act reducing college debt,
Speaker 4: do an executive order. Everybody said, you can't do executive order.
Speaker 4: You gotta go through Congress. Republicans are gonna change it back.
Speaker 4: If you get in, they're gonna change it back. Guess
Speaker 4: what Republicans don't give them about changing the back? They
Speaker 4: changed backro versus. What about changing back a whole bunch
Speaker 4: of shit Obombacare and everything else. Democrats refue use to
Speaker 4: work as a dictator. They want a dictator. Everybody's saying,
Speaker 4: oh man, he's gonna be a dictator, right, that's why
Speaker 4: they want. Oh, yes, he's gonna take migrants out. Yes,
Speaker 4: that's what they wanted. People need to stop saying that
Speaker 4: online is driving me crazy. Oh latinos, oh man, oh man,
Speaker 4: y'all about to see. They want the immigrants, people who
Speaker 4: are legal, who will coming up to the country legal.
Speaker 4: They are literally telling you, Yes, we do. We don't
Speaker 4: support illegal immigration. So people they're thinking they're saying something
Speaker 4: on social media, y'all gonna see No, they want a dictator.
Speaker 4: The Democrats ran on democracy, they ran on dictators. Shall
Speaker 4: gonna be a dictator day one? That's exactly what they want,
Speaker 4: a dictator. Somebody's gonna push the line, somebody't gonna give
Speaker 4: DMN back what Congress is talking about. Somebody just say
Speaker 4: I don't I don't care what the rules are. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna do what I want to do. They want a
Speaker 4: gangster period.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say dictator, but they want somebody that don't
Speaker 5: give a fuck, and it's going.
Speaker 4: To He said he was gonna be a dictator on
Speaker 4: day He said.
Speaker 1: That on day one.
Speaker 5: But I think what people mean when they say they
Speaker 5: just want somebody that's gonna say, you know what, as
Speaker 5: long as things are getting done for the people, I
Speaker 5: don't care how it gets done. Like John Stewart did
Speaker 5: a great break monologue last night, and he was just
Speaker 5: like Democrats always follow the norms and Republicans don't follow
Speaker 5: the norms.
Speaker 1: They gonna find those loopholes to break.
Speaker 4: Which is kind of like dictatorship. Though he said he
Speaker 4: gonna do what he want to do.
Speaker 2: That's what politically, you ain't gonna play us.
Speaker 4: So I mean, that's saying I'm gonna do this, and
Speaker 4: if you don't do it, it's gonna be hell to pay.
Speaker 4: If you don't do it, you know, I'm gonna make
Speaker 4: sure you don't win. If you don't do it, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna call you out. We talked about this with Joe Manchin.
Speaker 4: They let they set up. Now, Joe Manchine, see this
Speaker 4: to a Republican. We've been talking about this. This has
Speaker 4: been going on for the last fifteen years. This loss
Speaker 4: was not just what happened in the last one hundred days.
Speaker 4: This has been at least from my experience two thousand
Speaker 4: and seven. I can name year over year over year
Speaker 4: on what what happened, on how we got And then
Speaker 4: another thing I wanna bring up on this messaging abortion.
Speaker 4: Democrats ran on reproductive rights and democracy failed right out
Speaker 4: the gate. You had states like Arizona in the bottle
Speaker 4: that had abortion on the ballot. So democrats mindset is,
Speaker 4: let's put abortion on the ballot and that's gonna bring
Speaker 4: you know, so people know, get out to vote. Gotv
Speaker 4: that's how you get out to vote. Oh, they're going
Speaker 4: to go to the polls now that abortion is on
Speaker 4: the ballot. Well, Wich, you did meet ballhead. You actually
Speaker 4: allowed Republican women who were pro choice to actually vote
Speaker 4: for abortion and still vote for Trump. There's no rule
Speaker 4: that says if you support pro choice that you won't
Speaker 4: vote for Trump. So Republican women in Nevada and Arizona
Speaker 4: literally have the opportunity to bring abortion back and still
Speaker 4: vote for Trump. So Democrats shot themselves even in the
Speaker 4: foot if you were expecting women to go vote for
Speaker 4: reproductive rights because you gave them an out, and then
Speaker 4: that was a mistake out the gate. Look at Michigan, Michigan.
Speaker 4: You can get an abortion in Michigan, So that gonna
Speaker 4: land anywhere. I know people want this idea, especially black voters.
Speaker 4: Coul We like to take care of everybody and old
Speaker 4: what about them in Texas? But the average person is
Speaker 4: voting their personal interest, that's it. And if I could
Speaker 4: get an abortion in Michigan, wou't matter to me if
Speaker 4: you get it in Arizona or Nevada or whatever it was.
Speaker 4: So when you're running on reproductive rights, which I think
Speaker 4: was a mistake, and just the Marracy people didn't give
Speaker 4: a damn about democracy we're talking about when I was
Speaker 4: sitting in twenty eighteen, those first question you asked me
Speaker 4: out the gate, what do people think about say the
Speaker 4: don't give it down his whiteo's Whitehe don't give it
Speaker 4: about no insurrection. They'll do it again. This is what's
Speaker 4: been happening in this country four hundred years. So the
Speaker 4: messaging was wrong at the gate. We talked about that,
Speaker 4: not running, on the economy, not running. But I still
Speaker 4: think though even if she should have ran on all
Speaker 4: of those things, they still was gonna vote for. They
Speaker 4: still would have rather voted for Joe Biden have dead
Speaker 4: weekend at Bernie's.
Speaker 5: You know, they.
Speaker 4: Didn't even win Scranton. They didn't even win Scranton. Joe
Speaker 4: at least won sprinting. Harris lost Scringt.
Speaker 1: I think I think Joe would got like sixty five million.
Speaker 6: Book said, Okay, So, if if what you're saying is true,
Speaker 6: what was all because I felt how you how you
Speaker 6: feel now, It's how I felt in the beginning, and
Speaker 6: then when I saw the excitement and the money moving and.
Speaker 4: All of that got a chance.
Speaker 6: Yeah, what was all of that then?
Speaker 4: I didn't think it was but.
Speaker 1: Doing anything. We're not giving you no more money.
Speaker 4: Joe have no choice, that's right, yea. So let's be
Speaker 4: clear they did not have a choice because George. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they said they didn't have no choice. So two things
Speaker 4: to be true. At the same time, they had to
Speaker 4: put Harris in no doubt about that. I'm not disagreeing
Speaker 4: with that, but I still don't think they would have
Speaker 4: voted for her. They just wouldn't. They're just not going
Speaker 4: to give something that they didn't get. First. Did she
Speaker 4: do the best that she could? Yes? Did she do
Speaker 4: everything they told her to do? Yes? Did she have
Speaker 4: one hundred days to do it?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 4: This is not about shitting on her. This is about
Speaker 4: setting up a woman to fail in one hundred days
Speaker 4: to do the damn near impossible. I think Joe Biden
Speaker 4: should have took that l. He's the one that said,
Speaker 4: you know, he was gonna run. He's the one that
Speaker 4: set up there the entire time. They didn't build the bitch,
Speaker 4: let him take the l. Why now are you putting
Speaker 4: it on that Yeah? I thought it was like the friendly.
Speaker 2: Cana. Would you advise her to run again because.
Speaker 4: It's again we gotta stop with I don't know what
Speaker 4: this subsession we got with federal I'm gonna keep push that.
Speaker 4: Let them have it. Let's talk about especially Republicans now
Speaker 4: saying give it to the state if you really want
Speaker 4: to make real change in your community. I know it's
Speaker 4: not as sexy. I know it's not as exciting, but
Speaker 4: it really is at the state level. It really is
Speaker 4: at the local level. If you believe in you want
Speaker 4: to fund the public schools, you can do at a
Speaker 4: local level. You say, you know what I want, charter schools.
Speaker 4: I want to be able to educate our own You
Speaker 4: can do that at the local level. Why are we
Speaker 4: so infatuated with this White House. I don't get it.
Speaker 4: Why not be an Atlanta council with sixteen other people
Speaker 4: in Orlando with six other people to be able to say,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna write a check to the Black Business Investment Fund,
Speaker 4: you know, to be able to say, hey, here's some
Speaker 4: money to go start a business. You can pass reparations
Speaker 4: at the local level. So I don't understand this obsession
Speaker 4: that we have with this federal thing. And I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be honest with you, Lauren. Black women, a lot of
Speaker 4: times we get caught up and it's wanting to be validated,
Speaker 4: so damn bad. So when the excitement was there, when
Speaker 4: everybody's like, oh man, we can do this, we can
Speaker 4: do this. Black girl masage, we do this, we can
Speaker 4: do this.
Speaker 2: Do this.
Speaker 4: Validation of needing to be affirmed, need to say you
Speaker 4: are qualified enough, you are good enough. A lot of
Speaker 4: that played into it. A lot of that played into it.
Speaker 4: But let's not forget three thousand black women did a
Speaker 4: petition and said, Joe Biden, keep your ass in. They
Speaker 4: ignored that and went with the money. To Charllet Mane's point,
Speaker 4: they didn't have a choice.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, especially about the state thing.
Speaker 5: You know, there's something else Trump said that man landed,
Speaker 5: and I was I'm still trying to figure out how
Speaker 5: did he land this because it's so hard to get
Speaker 5: people to focus on this the abortion thing, right, He
Speaker 5: told them I wanted to be in the hands of
Speaker 5: the state. So whenever you would have conversations with people about,
Speaker 5: you know, abortions on the ballot, they'd be like, no,
Speaker 5: Trump just wants it to be in the hands of
Speaker 5: the state. I've never seen a politician convinced people on
Speaker 5: a national level it's going to be local and that's fine,
Speaker 5: and they buy into it.
Speaker 4: Well, Trump can get anybody to buy anything he say.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a total man. Press have never been
Speaker 4: equipped to run against Trump. Let's just name it. You know,
Speaker 4: they've never been equipped to run against them. He's too petty,
Speaker 4: he goes too low, he don't give a damn what
Speaker 4: y'all talking about the entertainer first, and so they've never
Speaker 4: been equipped to go against this man. Never. But to
Speaker 4: your point, charlemage is for those that understand the states' rights.
Speaker 4: And when you go back to Reagan, the reason why
Speaker 4: black people are again said, is because what it does
Speaker 4: is to disenfranchisse, disenfranchisse, It disenfranchise us even more so
Speaker 4: if you're saying, Okay, in Oklahoma, you can't get access
Speaker 4: to health care, but you can get access to healthcare
Speaker 4: in California. Very liberal. These are folks that can't just
Speaker 4: pick up, you know, and go to California to get
Speaker 4: what they need, don't have the money, So it affects
Speaker 4: poor people in a very bad way. The states' rights,
Speaker 4: but conservatives, they like states give it to the states.
Speaker 4: Their mindset if you don't like it, move somewhere else.
Speaker 4: But none of us had not enough of us have
Speaker 4: the resources to just move, you know, to somewhere else,
Speaker 4: to just move where things you know may be favorable
Speaker 4: to you. So as black voters were always trying to
Speaker 4: carry the lease of these and everybody else and think
Speaker 4: about everybody else. But the reality is, Charlemagne, people are
Speaker 4: only looking at what's in front of their doorstep. And
Speaker 4: if I can do X y Z in Michigan, if
Speaker 4: I can have a successful business with zero regulations in
Speaker 4: Atlanta when cod it happened, when Governor Camp, you know
Speaker 4: a lot of we don't like Governor Camp, but Atlanta,
Speaker 4: Atlanta was still thriving. Black business was still thriving. Georgia
Speaker 4: was still thriving. So when people look outside their door,
Speaker 4: when remember when the Santas reduced the gas, when they
Speaker 4: was talking about you can't do nothing about the gas
Speaker 4: when gas was so high, he said, oh no, I
Speaker 4: can do something about it. This is why I talking
Speaker 4: about state. So when people remember that, even though there's
Speaker 4: more liberal, more Democrat voters in Florida, people remember what
Speaker 4: affected their pocket and that Republican governor made a difference
Speaker 4: Kemp and Georgia made a difference was passing out Kemp cards.
Speaker 4: He did the same thing Trump did when he signed
Speaker 4: his name. He gave them Kemp cards. People remember that.
Speaker 4: So you can have a state with a republic Democrat
Speaker 4: governor like North Carolina, but they still went with Trump
Speaker 4: because they're looking at how does it trickle down. You
Speaker 4: can have a state that flipped and went blue, but
Speaker 4: have a governor Kemp who's a Republican. People like their governors.
Speaker 4: People don't have to like Texas. You don't have to
Speaker 4: like Texas in New York, but your money gonna go
Speaker 4: far in Texas as any felon in Texas they working
Speaker 4: in oil fields. Eighteen dollars is now twenty five dollars
Speaker 4: an hour, thirty dollars an hour. That makes a difference.
Speaker 4: So even if they don't like Republicans, even they don't
Speaker 4: like Trump, when you're looking at how that affects your
Speaker 4: money daily, it makes a difference. And that's where they
Speaker 4: lost as far as really trying to understand, you know,
Speaker 4: the economic conversation, especially with black people.
Speaker 1: What else we got on the list because I know
Speaker 1: you've got some money.
Speaker 4: I got a lot on the list. I kind of
Speaker 4: want to just deal with Michigan quickly because I do
Speaker 4: have some concern with that. I mentioned Rashida Talied, and
Speaker 4: I'm not mad about you know how she was able
Speaker 4: to organize her voters, but I do have some concern
Speaker 4: for Detroit. I do feel as if Detroit does not
Speaker 4: have the voice that they should have. That Rashida Sali
Speaker 4: was able and she should I think she she went
Speaker 4: hard in the paint for she's a Palestinian woman. I
Speaker 4: expect her to. I have no issue with that, but
Speaker 4: I do feel like Detroit kind of got crashed out
Speaker 4: a little bit that there's not representation. Detroit is one
Speaker 4: of the blackest cities in the country, and so when
Speaker 4: you had a few enough to say, you know what,
Speaker 4: but I just don't want to be a part of
Speaker 4: the process anymore. And that entire conversation was on GAZA,
Speaker 4: and I know there's a talking point of progressive is
Speaker 4: going to come in and tell you that the polls
Speaker 4: say that black people are concerned about GAZA, and yes
Speaker 4: we are, we do. We are very compassionate. But if
Speaker 4: you ask the average black person, Black American on what
Speaker 4: they're most concerned about, they're talking about again their own
Speaker 4: front door. They're more concerned about what's happening here over
Speaker 4: what's happening in geopolitics right, so to be able to
Speaker 4: be to be a single issue vote. I don't have
Speaker 4: no problem with Rashida to lead, none at all. But
Speaker 4: when you have three black women who ran against Rashida's
Speaker 4: leave in twenty twenty two, all three of them combined
Speaker 4: still didn't have even half of rashida to leave passed.
Speaker 4: So she has the votes, she has the power. But
Speaker 4: I feel Detroit is not getting there, just doing at
Speaker 4: least being a part of the conversation, and I hope
Speaker 4: that changes what she got on that list. I think
Speaker 4: that's it list you. I've got some nails with that
Speaker 4: to go over.
Speaker 1: You know. I wanted to ask you about Hakeem Jeffreys.
Speaker 5: Hakim Jeffrey said this week that he sees he says
Speaker 5: Democrats are set up for a major comeback.
Speaker 1: You think that's possible.
Speaker 4: What's the comeback? Let me let me know you come back.
Speaker 4: What's the comeback?
Speaker 6: I've never seen that that mixtape, but they still do
Speaker 6: it anyway, and then they don't could.
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I don't think first of all,
Speaker 4: and I forgot. I want to name a couple of
Speaker 4: names because a lot of people ain't name the names.
Speaker 4: I do encourage people to go look at that list.
Speaker 4: And the two names that kept popping up over and over.
Speaker 4: Quentin no dispect. I've never met him, you know, but
Speaker 4: he was in charge of the bag. And also Cedric Richmond.
Speaker 4: Now you remember when Cedria Richmond came on the Breakast
Speaker 4: Club and said hold him accountable. Remember that.
Speaker 5: In a couple of years I've been I don't even
Speaker 5: listen to after when Cedric made that statement on Breakfast
Speaker 5: Club and said, hold him accountable. If anything doesn't go
Speaker 5: to way it's supposed to go in to buy an administration.
Speaker 1: And then he just disappeared. He left his position. We
Speaker 1: didn't even know he left his position. I don't I
Speaker 1: ain't pay static no attention.
Speaker 4: Well he literally told Grassroot Organization, y'all just want the
Speaker 4: money to just say that. Yeah, we're saying that where's it,
Speaker 4: And I'm saying it's completely I didn't ask for no check,
Speaker 4: don't want no check, not interested no check. I was
Speaker 4: telling you what the people said, you.
Speaker 1: Ain't get none of the million.
Speaker 4: I don't, but they told Black.
Speaker 6: People like the money, don't like like you need money
Speaker 6: for things like why is that such a like a
Speaker 6: falsehood or something.
Speaker 4: Like, Well, no, they know they they got it and
Speaker 4: just didn't come to black folks.
Speaker 5: It didn't go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Sharp didgets We got five hundred thousand. Yeah, Roland
Speaker 4: got his ship too. Roland, what's having Roller? Can let
Speaker 4: me hold something?
Speaker 3: But that money went out and they're still in the negative.
Speaker 4: And study's strange. They do it every year. They've been
Speaker 4: doing this like this. They do it every year. And
Speaker 4: it's again, it's not just on the entertainers, these white
Speaker 4: liberal consultants who run this party. Because they do and
Speaker 4: then they tell the black folks in charge, the gatekeepers
Speaker 4: of the gatekeepers to tell them, okay, give them one
Speaker 4: hundred thousand, give them one hundred and fifty given to it.
Speaker 4: They kept lying saying all the money coming to money coming.
Speaker 4: They literally didn't give it to them three weeks until
Speaker 4: three weeks out. So now now you wonder why you
Speaker 4: lost the black vote.
Speaker 3: They literally giving them this money for so like for instance,
Speaker 3: rollingd Ont and a reverend.
Speaker 2: Now what do they use that money for?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 2: The only reason I said that because you just said
Speaker 2: that rolling with advertising advertising.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know what that, I don't know what.
Speaker 4: Well revenue they gave we really name the names they
Speaker 4: gave the National Action Network. They gave a donation to him,
Speaker 4: donations of a quarter million dollars. Yes, and so, uh,
Speaker 4: that organization is an organization, you know, the worst year round,
Speaker 4: I guess, you know, allegedly for and I'm not saying that,
Speaker 4: you know, to be funny, but you know, for outreach. So,
Speaker 4: but again, it can't just be on just reven ol.
Speaker 4: You know, it's not just on you know, No, no,
Speaker 4: I'm no, I'm saying I'm going to be clear. You
Speaker 4: can't just continue to keep spending money just on revenue.
Speaker 4: You know, these organizations, Why are you not again, why
Speaker 4: are you not connecting with these grassroo organizations who are
Speaker 4: literally struggling literally struggling to give them the money so
Speaker 4: that they can organize year round, you know, in order
Speaker 4: to keep people engaged in bottom line by votes. That's
Speaker 4: what they did with the Latino community. They put in
Speaker 4: the mid terms, they put thirty different community centers in Florida.
Speaker 4: Wasn't just about vote and they was coming in trying
Speaker 4: to figure out what they could give health care, trying
Speaker 4: to figure out what resources they could get, trying to
Speaker 4: figure it. You literally took care of the community. That's
Speaker 4: where that money is supposed to go. And it's not
Speaker 4: just for advertising. Advertised is important, but it's more than that.
Speaker 4: You literally are supposed to buy votes, guys. That's how
Speaker 4: it works by votes. That sound crazy, Yeah, well to
Speaker 4: buying votes. When I say that, I mean if you
Speaker 4: got a nonprofit in you in the hood, and I
Speaker 4: give you three hundred thousand, and I'm telling you, use
Speaker 4: that three hundred thousand throughout the year to do job training,
Speaker 4: use that three hundred thousand throughout the year to do
Speaker 4: resume buibling, to use that three hundred thousand to put
Speaker 4: people in a better position. Now people can feel it
Speaker 4: and say okay, and then that organization has a responsibility
Speaker 4: say this came from the Harris campaign, this came from XYZ.
Speaker 4: This is how we got what we got. And then
Speaker 4: now people can say, okay, I feel it. Like with
Speaker 4: the first step back, they feel it, they can see it,
Speaker 4: they can touch it. And Republicans that have just did
Speaker 4: a better job with that. It's not that Democrats don't
Speaker 4: have the receipts. They just don't talk about the receipts.
Speaker 4: Their messaging has always been poor and raggedy as hell,
Speaker 4: which is why I left in twenty ten. So it's
Speaker 4: not that they don't have the receipts, they just don't
Speaker 4: talk about. They don't feel they have to. They feel
Speaker 4: they know it all, and turns out they didn't know
Speaker 4: shit at all. They knew it all and knew absolutely nothing.
Speaker 4: They didn't listen to any advice that people gave them.
Speaker 4: They say they knew what was best. They said, we
Speaker 4: got this, and turns it out you didn't have it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest to us. I don't know how
Speaker 1: much well I take that back.
Speaker 5: I do know there was a lot of people out
Speaker 5: there that was giving genuine good advice. But what I
Speaker 5: realized is the people who was out there giving genuine
Speaker 5: good advice was the people who were really doing it
Speaker 5: out of the goodness of their heart. A lot of
Speaker 5: other people I heard talking, they was really upset they
Speaker 5: wasn't getting no money right, and so a lot of
Speaker 5: the stuff that they were saying was literally just based
Speaker 5: off when y'all gonna give me some money.
Speaker 1: When y'all give me some.
Speaker 5: Money, everybody that I heard actually giving good advice was
Speaker 5: not getting paid by the campaign, right, And those are
Speaker 5: the ones who aren'tetting listened to.
Speaker 6: Why Why can't though, why are you not giving me
Speaker 6: some money? Be a call sign to real Like if
Speaker 6: you got enough people saying we need, we need, we need,
Speaker 6: it's like, okay, we need to figure out why do
Speaker 6: I saying we need? Like that's common sense to me
Speaker 6: as a politician.
Speaker 4: Well you should be paying for it. The goodness of
Speaker 4: the hard shit is over with. I mean, like, I've
Speaker 4: done get this so hard for a long time and
Speaker 4: it's basically gonna make you a full time over driver
Speaker 4: at the end of the day. People got to get paid.
Speaker 4: But yes, people have their own interests on why they
Speaker 4: were trying to get X, y Z, and they pissed
Speaker 4: because they didn't get the money. A lot of these
Speaker 4: people that you're that you're talking about, they got paid
Speaker 4: last time. They wasn't saying shit about the streets. But
Speaker 4: now that they got get kept, now was oh man,
Speaker 4: what's going on? You know, I've never had so many
Speaker 4: calls and people say, oh man, we didn't get this
Speaker 4: and get that I'm saying streets bending it, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm talking about those grassroot organizations. They never were getting
Speaker 4: the money. So yes, people have their own special interests
Speaker 4: on why they're trying to get it. But it's a
Speaker 4: billion dollars. Pass it out. If we're gonna run this scam,
Speaker 4: this time's your scam, then let them then, yeah, give
Speaker 4: it out. There's nothing wrong with that as well. So
Speaker 4: whether they was it was a goodness of the hard
Speaker 4: or good advice because they had an interest, they weren't
Speaker 4: listening to anybody. Charlotte Mane. The they really do believe
Speaker 4: that they have all of the answers, like literally all
Speaker 4: of the It was.
Speaker 5: So wrong about everything, Like when they had that whole oh,
Speaker 5: black men aren't going to show up and vote for
Speaker 5: the vice president, and you know President Obama was out
Speaker 5: there waving his finger at us. It's like, no, y'all
Speaker 5: should be focusing on these white women, right right, Like
Speaker 5: those are the ones that haven't shown up the last
Speaker 5: couple of elections.
Speaker 1: The Latino men.
Speaker 5: I didn't hear them putting the real emphasis on that either,
Speaker 5: but the Latino people didn't show up for them. So
Speaker 5: it's just like I I just saw them make mistake
Speaker 5: after mistake and another thing I would say is you had
Speaker 5: a presidential campaign that had trouble connected with the working class,
Speaker 5: right because they had a bunch of consultants who got
Speaker 5: backgrounds with these giant companies. Do you think that they
Speaker 5: should just bring people on these campaigns that are literally
Speaker 5: from the.
Speaker 1: Grassroots, And to me, those were the best ideas coming from.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, that's exactly what the best idea is. Coming
Speaker 4: to another point. I'm glad you're about that. Uh, Charlotte Mane.
Speaker 4: Also a lot of friends groups, you know, people that
Speaker 4: were giving them hell online that they ignore that they say, oh,
Speaker 4: that's just you know, Oh, that's just them talking. Oh
Speaker 4: that's just them talking. That's right, again, minimizing your enemy.
Speaker 4: So there were groups online that are literally talking to
Speaker 4: fifty thousand, one hundred thousand people every week. You don't
Speaker 4: have to think that's important. But when you got groups
Speaker 4: online saying reparations are not sit on the couch, don't
Speaker 4: do this, don't do that, and you're ignoring that group
Speaker 4: as a real constituency, and you're saying, oh, don't worry
Speaker 4: about it. They just on line. Well over time, because
Speaker 4: again a lot of these people and they rock with
Speaker 4: me talking about this year around. See why you're just
Speaker 4: talking about this last one hundred days. They're talking to
Speaker 4: one hundred, one hundred and fifty thousand people every week,
Speaker 4: every week, every week, every week, and nobody pick up
Speaker 4: the phone to say, hey, can I have a meeting
Speaker 4: with you? Can I at least see what you're talking about?
Speaker 4: Can we at least have some kind of common ground?
Speaker 4: When Democrats in California threw black folks under the bus,
Speaker 4: you know, wanted reparations, nobody thought it was worth even
Speaker 4: having a conversation with the folks online that are giving
Speaker 4: you hell. When you look at people, I'm just gonna say,
Speaker 4: the Hamy Teradona shit giving them hell online every day.
Speaker 4: Nobody think you to call and say, hey, y'all did
Speaker 4: a whole rally on reparations in DC. Let's have a conversation.
Speaker 4: What can we do to at least hear what you say?
Speaker 4: So when you do that, that just continues to motivate
Speaker 4: them to keep saying over and over and over they
Speaker 4: ain't fucking with us. And that makes a difference. When
Speaker 4: you talk about one and two percent in these mind.
Speaker 5: I agree with you wholeheartedly, and I think it's about
Speaker 5: when you do it. To your point earlier, everybody who's
Speaker 5: thinking about running in twenty twenty eight, they should start
Speaker 5: campaigning now.
Speaker 1: Don't wait until the year of the election to start
Speaker 1: reaching out.
Speaker 5: To these different people, cause it looks fake, It looks
Speaker 5: it looks like it's not authentic, looks like you don't
Speaker 5: really care.
Speaker 1: Start making those connections now.
Speaker 2: But let me ask you a question.
Speaker 3: Do you think it should be that like Charloamage said,
Speaker 3: or do you think we should take a page out
Speaker 3: of Canada's book and out of Francis book where it's
Speaker 3: like there's a cap, there's a specific time limit, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, because people get fatigued and after
Speaker 3: a while people like f all this issue. I mean,
Speaker 3: do you feel like we should go warranto that because
Speaker 3: now it's almost like big bak take a little.
Speaker 1: Bait, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean as far as campaign campaign concerned, oh should
Speaker 5: be shorter campaign.
Speaker 3: Short campaign Canada to have a specific time limit, whether
Speaker 3: it's three months or a certain amount of money that has.
Speaker 4: To Yeah, it has changed. It used to be six months,
Speaker 4: one year, two years. Congress has to run every two years.
Speaker 4: The minute they're getting off is their campaign and then
Speaker 4: trying to raise money. So no, we are in a
Speaker 4: year around. Donald Trump has changed this and will forever
Speaker 4: be changed. This is a year around effort, year around resources,
Speaker 4: year around. That's why I do my training, push the line,
Speaker 4: nonpartisan training, year around. Getting people in position. That's a project.
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty five is all about. People can think it's
Speaker 4: fake or not fake, but that's all about putting people
Speaker 4: in position. Putting people at the commissioner left and putting
Speaker 4: people at the state level, putting people at the state
Speaker 4: if they're not investing year around. If you're if you're
Speaker 4: gonna bring plies into the game, then plies partner with
Speaker 4: somebody like myself or somebody like unt Free, somebody else
Speaker 4: to help bring this noise you're around. Because what happens
Speaker 4: is the day after the election you go, you go
Speaker 4: back to talking about what you're talking about before, and
Speaker 4: now you got to start the machine all over again.
Speaker 1: I've ain't said nothing from the car since the election
Speaker 1: about stuff.
Speaker 6: Well, he did say he had woke up. Remember he
Speaker 6: said he missed the election night, but he woke up,
Speaker 6: and so he did say that.
Speaker 5: I ain't seen him talking about Starbucks and women feet.
Speaker 5: I ain't seen them talking about.
Speaker 4: It, right, and that's the man I love. I ran
Speaker 4: for office in twenty eleven in Orlando. First person I
Speaker 4: reached out to was Plies. I talked to his manager.
Speaker 4: He said, you know, applies don't due politics. He not
Speaker 4: in politics. So to see him doing this now, and
Speaker 4: reached out to him again. Since then, by the way,
Speaker 4: reached out to his manager to say, why don't you
Speaker 4: help me get these people trained. You have a voice,
Speaker 4: get these people train. In two thousand even and said, many,
Speaker 4: come on, let's do something with thee hundred years, the
Speaker 4: one hundred years record that he got. Let's do something bad.
Speaker 4: Massivecarceration in Florida. So when I watch him doing that
Speaker 4: every day non stop, his heartbreaking to me. Because we
Speaker 4: do need our entertainers, but we need them to I
Speaker 4: don't expect them to do the work year around. Entertainers
Speaker 4: like getting applauses. And see this work is about getting bulls.
Speaker 4: This work is not about applausing. They only want to
Speaker 4: be no disrespect. But entertainers like responding to the applause.
Speaker 4: So the minute you start booing them, the minute you
Speaker 4: start saying I don't like you. What we saw with
Speaker 4: ice Que when he took a chance and went out
Speaker 4: there and talked about, you know the state of Black America,
Speaker 4: and people started booing him and out Wing's seeing Ice
Speaker 4: Ques since ethon, so you know that, and people they
Speaker 4: can't take it. And then they say, oh, I don't
Speaker 4: blame you for leaving, but I do, though I love
Speaker 4: it left. I blame you though, because homie, you donet
Speaker 4: set up here and got it. I done reached out
Speaker 4: to Q two, you got everybody excited. I don't expect
Speaker 4: you to do the work year around, but partner with
Speaker 4: people that can because we need we need people like
Speaker 4: that Gloyala. Come talk to your home girl like glorially
Speaker 4: need people in her ear too to know she got
Speaker 4: a he I love a story. Why why are we
Speaker 4: not connecting her with people that actually know her story?
Speaker 4: Sexy red or we don't need sexy Red, Yes we do.
Speaker 4: She'll hold di moved. Maybe y'all don't know how to
Speaker 4: talk to it, but she can go partner with some
Speaker 4: of the homies that not even on the list at all,
Speaker 4: not even on a voter list. When you bring ten
Speaker 4: thousand people into the fold, fifteen thousand people on the
Speaker 4: fold is not even on anybody's list that nobody's real.
Speaker 4: That's how you win these elections. That's why Trump was
Speaker 4: able to make that difference on people who were not
Speaker 4: engaged at all. But in order to do that, you
Speaker 4: have to do it year round. You cannot do it
Speaker 4: no ninety days before the campaign. It's never gonna work.
Speaker 5: Because I agree with you, I think I think what
Speaker 5: we're saying is because I think that's what people think.
Speaker 5: People think that entertainers are the leaders that are generals.
Speaker 1: They're not.
Speaker 5: They're the soldiers, right, and you want them to be
Speaker 5: the soldiers right to go organize the people, to bring
Speaker 5: them back to the actual general the people to actually
Speaker 5: do them.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yes, absolutely, And y'all can have the mic. We
Speaker 4: ain't trying to take the mic from like we get
Speaker 4: it to get the mic, but pass it on to
Speaker 4: people that are really, really really trying to do it.
Speaker 4: I will do the heavy lifting, the organizer will do
Speaker 4: the heavy lifting. Our platforms are never going to be
Speaker 4: as big, you know, as a cube or a glow
Speaker 4: reala or a sexy grade. And I don't want to
Speaker 4: encourage discourage them to get out because that's also what's
Speaker 4: happening because now they even't put their cloud on the line,
Speaker 4: and then now you got in a table like I'm
Speaker 4: not getting that shit again.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Fucked, especially when.
Speaker 4: Exactly because you don't put them in position to make
Speaker 4: it seem like, oh, all we got to do is
Speaker 4: have Beyonce get up and talk and it's all that
Speaker 4: and now you got her look like you said of
Speaker 4: the candid's on people calling her out people and that's
Speaker 4: not on her. It's not on Beyonce. It's not on
Speaker 4: these But you do need people to get people to
Speaker 4: the stands, but it's on it's the year around organizers
Speaker 4: that they just refuse to do. So I want eye
Speaker 4: entertainers to stay in the game. I just want you
Speaker 4: to partner with organizers that really actually give a damn
Speaker 4: about this work because we really do, you know, year
Speaker 4: around and we don't have enough killer Mike's in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Tell them how to connect with you, and you'll push
Speaker 1: the line.
Speaker 4: Movement, yes, push the line politics until something happens. And
Speaker 4: thank you guys for supporting that. When we did, I
Speaker 4: guess was two years ago when I came to the
Speaker 4: Breakfast Club, we had over three hundred people. You know,
Speaker 4: they came to Atlanta on their own dime, to learn
Speaker 4: how to be candidates, to learn how to be operatives,
Speaker 4: to learn how to be organized. It's a non partisan
Speaker 4: training that I created. These people flew from all over LA, Dallas, Houston,
Speaker 4: New York. In the room, you know, three hundred people.
Speaker 4: That's why when people tell me, don't nobody want to
Speaker 4: do this, they're not interested. That's not true. Jay was
Speaker 4: there in the fact that she came to the training,
Speaker 4: came all the way from DC. These people were outside
Speaker 4: at six am in the morning in the rain to
Speaker 4: learn how to do this. They want the training. They
Speaker 4: want to know how can I change on the local level.
Speaker 4: But we just don't have enough support to get around.
Speaker 4: So I'm asking people to text. Push the line all caps,
Speaker 4: push the line to sixty six, eight sixty six, And
Speaker 4: I'm trying to get partners, guys. I'm trying to people
Speaker 4: over fifty cities have said can you bring the training here?
Speaker 4: But I'm teaching people in the training how to organize,
Speaker 4: how to organize if you want to be a candidate,
Speaker 4: if you want to be an operative, if you want
Speaker 4: to be an organizer, whatever it is you want to do.
Speaker 4: I believe my training is one of the best. And
Speaker 4: the reason why is because it truly is a military mindset.
Speaker 4: It truly is cutting through all the bullshit. I've been
Speaker 4: to all the trainings. I've been in Congressional Black Caucus training,
Speaker 4: a White House training, Yelle Women's school, law school, I've
Speaker 4: been to them all, and all of them sell a
Speaker 4: bunch of bullshit, respectfully. You know, they come in and
Speaker 4: tell you, you know, you're gonna have a stab, You're
Speaker 4: gonna have this and that. My train is really designed
Speaker 4: to tell you know, Lauren, it's really just gonna be
Speaker 4: you with twenty dollars. How can we you know, move
Speaker 4: from that? So people are hungry, they want information. I'm
Speaker 4: trying to get people to partner to help me do
Speaker 4: more of it because I can't just do it, you know, myself,
Speaker 4: out my own pocket. I can't. I don't want to
Speaker 4: charge people. People don't have the money to pay for it.
Speaker 4: So we're just trying to, you know, keep building up
Speaker 4: that momentum and hopefully be able to do any people
Speaker 4: that to join. And you also looking for ye I
Speaker 4: may write me a check out.
Speaker 1: You mean, I make a donation right now? What you need?
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 4: Charle let's give one hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 2: We can go.
Speaker 1: That's a lot. We can help get you that now.
Speaker 4: Dollars holiday, And I do want to say that. Also, Wisconsin,
Speaker 4: I don't know if y'all notice, largest black mail incarceration
Speaker 4: in the country, the highest black femicide rate. Yes, more
Speaker 4: black women are murdered in Wisconsin then anywhere. They didn't
Speaker 4: give any money to Milwaukee at all, So now you're
Speaker 4: expecting that's what you were expecting. And also Wisconsin is
Speaker 4: one of the most the least diverse state in the country.
Speaker 4: So now you're gonna run a former state attorney in
Speaker 4: Wisconsin where black men are locked up more than you know.
Speaker 4: This is true. Whether you like it, we got to
Speaker 4: deal with what it really is. They weren't trying to
Speaker 4: hear any any of that. They shit it on Wisconsin.
Speaker 4: They shited it on Milwaukee. They used to do hip
Speaker 4: Hop Week there every year. They don't have the budget
Speaker 4: to do that anymore. They were trying to bring sake,
Speaker 4: how tess and how can we come down get out
Speaker 4: the vote. They couldn't get twenty five hundred dollars together
Speaker 4: to say, let's get the vote out. They went to
Speaker 4: the white voters in Wisconsin. So these are the kind
Speaker 4: of things, guys, that we just have to put on
Speaker 4: the table. I know people saying teds, move on, just
Speaker 4: deal with it. No, we have to call this shit out, guys,
Speaker 4: because if we continue to mismanage this money, then we're
Speaker 4: not you know, actually getting the help you know that
Speaker 4: we need. And it's critically important.
Speaker 5: If I text pushed the line to this number, that's
Speaker 5: still work, all right. Text pushed the line to six
Speaker 5: six six, No, six six eight sixty six. Text push
Speaker 5: the line to six six eight sixty six to join
Speaker 5: the Texas email list for push the line right.
Speaker 2: Thank you, We appreciate you for joining us. Thank you.
Speaker 4: Let me go through my list.
Speaker 2: It's all goodness. Tsant figure out. It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2: Good morning.
Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club