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Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Weapons. We talk a

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Speaker 1: lot about weapons in forensics, and sometimes you come across

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Speaker 1: things other than knives and guns, anything that you can

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Speaker 1: bludgeon somebody with bare hands, ligatures, fire. You think about

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Speaker 1: all of things and you think about, well, those items,

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Speaker 1: those elements can be easily weaponized weapons of convenience many times.

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Speaker 1: But I have a question, is it possible that someone

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Speaker 1: could potentially lethally weaponize exercise. We're going to find out

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Speaker 1: and we're going to have a discussion about a six

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Speaker 1: year old boy who unfortunately is no longer with us.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is body Bags. I

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Speaker 1: was never a grand athlete, Dave. I played football in

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Speaker 1: high school around a lot of really great athletes, people

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Speaker 1: that went on to have pro careers, but all of

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Speaker 1: us suffered equally in football. It proved well when I

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Speaker 1: went off into the military because it's like, okay, I

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Speaker 1: in high school was football, and there were times when

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Speaker 1: I felt like my coaches, as I know your coaches

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Speaker 1: were using exercise to punish you. And it really wasn't

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Speaker 1: like you're trying to improve yourself. What they're trying to

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Speaker 1: do is improve your mental mental state, to pay attention

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Speaker 1: to detail.

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Speaker 2: Joe, I understand what you're saying there, but you know,

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Speaker 2: you're talking high school, college military using exercise not for exercise,

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Speaker 2: but for discipline. And I get it, But we're talking

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Speaker 2: about a six year old boy here. We don't even

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Speaker 2: really know exactly when Christopher Gregor and Corey's mother, Brianna

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Speaker 2: michlo first met. We know that Brianna Michloh was seventeen,

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Speaker 2: Christopher Gregor was twenty one when Brianna Michloh gave birth

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Speaker 2: to Corey. Gregor was reportedly not in the boy's life

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Speaker 2: until he was five years old, and it was only

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Speaker 2: at that time when Brianna Michloh saw it child support

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Speaker 2: from Gregor, that a paternity test was done and when

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Speaker 2: he came back with well, I'm not paying child support,

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Speaker 2: I'm getting custody, and he did. He got custody of Corey.

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Speaker 3: Michelo.

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Speaker 2: Now, the very first meeting that Corey allegedly that Corey

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Speaker 2: had with his dad, the very first time they were alone,

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Speaker 2: Corey allegedly returned home to his mother with a busted lip.

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Speaker 2: According to New Jersey Online, Micheloh didn't believe Christopher Gregor's

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Speaker 2: excuse that he accidentally kicked their son while playing soccer,

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Speaker 2: so she reported it to the DCPP, and DCPP caseworker

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Speaker 2: accepted the story as told by Christopher Gregor, just an

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Speaker 2: accident I kicked him while were playing soccer and no

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Speaker 2: big deal. They his boom didn't even investigate. Gregor was

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Speaker 2: Bria Michloh, because Brie had an ongoing drug problem at

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Speaker 2: the time. At one point, Gregor was able to have

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Speaker 2: bri Michelo's visitation taken away due to drugs. Michelo had

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Speaker 2: her visitation restored after she completed a drug treatment program,

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Speaker 2: but for over a year after that first meeting, she

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Speaker 2: claims that Corey was routinely abused by Gregor, and she

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Speaker 2: reportedly suspected the father was using a treadmill as punishment

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Speaker 2: tool during their visitation. Bri Micheloh called authorities one hundred

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Speaker 2: times reporting her son Corey's abuse. Briann Michelo sought an

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Speaker 2: emergency change of custody after seeing the bruises on Corey's

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Speaker 2: body on April first. Okay, April first is a big day.

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Speaker 2: Brianna Michelo has her son. She sees these bruises all

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Speaker 3: She gets.

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Speaker 2: A doctor who's an expert in child abuse injuries, and

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Speaker 2: Corey is examined. He has fourteen bruises in various stages

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Speaker 2: of healing on his body. Fourteen. The child is six

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Speaker 2: years old, he's a month away from turning seven. Got

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Speaker 2: bruises all over his body, and Anna Michelo reaches out

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Speaker 2: to get an emergency change of custody because of this

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Speaker 2: no problem with it. He's other than all the bruises

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Speaker 2: He's slurring his words and so he hangs up. After

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Speaker 2: The hospital won't tell me where you know, and the

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Speaker 2: just been denied custody okay, had sought an emergency changed

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Speaker 2: light is that when Brianna Michlow took Corey to the doctor,

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Speaker 2: the doctor he specialized in child abuse, she was able

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Speaker 2: to talk to Corey about where these bruises came from.

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Speaker 2: And at first he tried to say it was football,

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Speaker 2: but he mentions falling off the treadmill. There's a videotape

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Speaker 2: from March twentieth showing six year old Corey being forced

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Speaker 2: in the workout gym at the apartment complex. Christopher Gregor

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Speaker 2: doesn't know there's surveillance cameras. The surveillance cameras catch Christopher

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Speaker 2: Gregor putting his six year old son on the treadmill

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Speaker 2: turns it up, makes it go faster. Christopher Gregor kept

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Speaker 2: all up, getting beat up by the treadmill. But six

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Speaker 2: different times Corey Michelo fell off the treadmill because it

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Speaker 2: was going too fast, and Christopher Gregor picked him up

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Speaker 2: At one point he's frustrated and he bites Corey on

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Speaker 2: If not for that video, the case would not be

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Dave, have you ever fallen on a treadmill?

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Speaker 1: It's it's one well, first off, there's a crowd round,

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Speaker 1: it's very embarrassing. But secondly, if if I fall on

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Speaker 1: And I'm grown man, been on.

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Speaker 2: I fell once, yeah, and it was last time I

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Speaker 1: It was the last out of control with the thing.

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Speaker 1: And particularly you have to understand the controls and all that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what actually elevates elevates a six year

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Speaker 1: means to an end. Now. I don't know. If we

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Speaker 1: probably talk about things like, well, it's not about the child,

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Speaker 1: one of the things that's very frustrating when you start

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what context you look at this situation.

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Speaker 1: And this Gregor Fela, his name is going to go down,

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Speaker 1: Let's frame it that way, and I came through it

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Speaker 2: You know, bringing that up, and I'm so glad you did,

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Speaker 2: And it's that time that Christopher Gregor didn't have with

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Speaker 2: And he's right. The issue is did he cause his death.

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Speaker 2: They asked her to show because and I've learned this

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Speaker 2: And that's that's what happened on the stand as his

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Speaker 1: frame at that moment time because the bruise, the contusion

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00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: is not going to continue to resolve. It's frozen. It's

432
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: frozen in that amount of time. If the body is

433
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: left preserved, you can really do a thorough assessment. If

434
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: the body you know, if you find a body that's decomposing,

435
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: which this is not the case, then those things will

436
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: be a little bit tougher to kind of assess. But

437
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: you're looking at a bruise that's yellow, you're talking about

438
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: seven to eight days maybe nine of post trauma, of

439
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: post impact event. Because anytime you have a bruise, there

440
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: is an impact that's associated with That's the only way

441
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: that you're going to have the presentation of a contusion.

442
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: What I think the question this begs is when you

443
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: look at the external presentation of the injuries, what critical

444
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: areas of the body? Does it overlie? Now, if you

445
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 1: look at say a bruise that someone might have on

446
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: their bicep that doesn't have the same level of criticality, say,

447
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: for instance, if child has a bruised or blackened eye,

448
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: because now you're talking about potential brain injury. Or if

449
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: you see somebody has a bruise to their leg, Okay,

450
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: maybe their outer thigh, maybe they bumped into a table. Eh.

451
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: That can it's certainly painful, and it can tell you

452
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: a lot historically. But buddy, let me tell you something.

453
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: If you see bruises on the abdomen, those are specific

454
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: impact injuries how many? How many times? In your life?

455
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: And in my life too, I'm asking myself the same question.

456
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: Have I walked into something with my abdominal muscles leading

457
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: the way or my abdomen leading way where I have

458
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: a specific impact site on that location anytime? And I'm

459
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: not a boxer. You know, if you're a boxer, you

460
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: get out of the ring and you're taking body shots,

461
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 1: you know you're going to have contusions, you know, all

462
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: of you. These guys don't escape, you know, right and so,

463
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: but those bruises will be the same age. So if

464
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: you get multiple sites all over the body, you know

465
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: that someone has specifically targeted in an area. Say you

466
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: get a punch to the admin, punch in the eye,

467
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: or any number of other locations, and you begin to

468
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: assess those and literally what we do at autopsy is

469
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: we in size those specific areas. You just don't look

470
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: at it externally. You make a cut into that area

471
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: and you can actually appreciate how the thing is resolving

472
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: and you have to track this very carefully. Day.

473
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 3: Is that like rings of a tree.

474
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: No, it's not like rings of a tree. That's that

475
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: analogy doesn't necessarily apply here. What it does apply to more.

476
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: I think is probably targeting areas. Because let's just say

477
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: you've got a bruise. Find the bottom the right aspect

478
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: of your right rib cage the last rib anteriorly. That

479
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: approximates the area where your liver is, and so on

480
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: the right side. So if you have a bruise a

481
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: contusion on your abdomen, approximating in that area. And I'm

482
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: in the morgue and I'm looking at this, you know

483
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: what I'm going to think. I'm going to think, well,

484
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: it's presenting with a bruise here. It's not an easy

485
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: area to bruise. I note this had required a tremendous

486
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: amount of impact or velocity. When I open this person's abdomen,

487
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: I want to know what the liver looks like, because

488
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: you can actually have a contusion to deliver. There's actually

489
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: another odd term I think I've mentioned before that forensic

490
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: pathologists use. It's called a fracturing of the liver. We

491
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: think fracturing with bone. You can and it's truly a laceration.

492
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: The liver splits. It's so dense and so heavy it'll

493
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: split and fracture, and so that's seeping blood and the

494
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: other thing you get when you open up the abdomen

495
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: Dave is that many times you'll see the organs, the

496
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: abdominal organs floating in blood, or there'll be a pro

497
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: and blood it'll be clotted, and that also gives you

498
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: an idea that something has happened in the recent past

499
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: more than likely. So the external injuries that a person,

500
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: a child, and in Corey's case, that they would be

501
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: presenting with all over their body, those little points of impact,

502
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: it runs much deeper, That's what I'm talking about. It

503
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: runs much deeper. What you're seeing on the surface is

504
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: only it's a very superficial kind of almost like X

505
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: marks the spot and a treasure hunt. When you go

506
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: beneath the X at that point in time, that's where

507
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: you're really going to begin to understand how vicious an

508
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: event may have been that would have led to an

509
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: otherwise healthy six year old child's dead.

510
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: Kids.

511
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: Kids, as you well know, kids are very resilient, you know,

512
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: I mean, kids fall, they take some of the worst

513
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: That a fall that my grandson who's you know five,

514
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: see James is five now he'll be six soon. A

515
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: fall that Jamison might take as a five year old

516
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: six year old. He's it would kill you, and I right,

517
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: it would kill you. And they'll bounce back. They'll bounce back.

518
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: And that's why when I had to listen to had

519
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: to I had to listen to the testimony of the

520
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: doctor and getting away from the clinical and just thinking

521
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: about a child. I'm telling you, Joe, I had to

522
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: stop because the number of bruises, where the bruises were

523
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: on his body, and the various stages that they were

524
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: in the healing process. It didn't go unnoticed, okay, And

525
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: I want to be clear on this that it did

526
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: not go unnoticed. But his mother, because of her past

527
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: and because she had lost in court, she had continued

528
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: to fight for Corey. She had gone back to court

529
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: many times and had talked, She had reported the abuse

530
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: that she saw. She was the one his mother, Corey's

531
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: mom takes him to the doctor on April first, where

532
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: the doctor documents all these bruises and injuries. And after that,

533
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: because it was attributed to the treadmill incident, his mother,

534
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: Corey's mom, Bree, sought custody immediately an emergency cut because

535
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: of these abuses that she could see. The boy died

536
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: the next day. Now at waste.

537
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: Make sure, make sure you tell everybody where he died.

538
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: Where did he go into rest?

539
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: Okay? Oh, here's the thing to back up. Okay.

540
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: Corey's mom, bri takes him to the doctor on April

541
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: the first. Doctor sees these bruises. Yeah, Brianna files with

542
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: the state. She files with DCCP. I think is what

543
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: it's called in New Jersey. She filed with them right away.

544
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: Corey died a day after his mother took him to

545
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: the doctor for the treadmill abuse, which was ten days

546
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: Eleven days after the treadmill incident, Brianna Michelo reported the

547
00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: abuse to DCPP and filed for emergency customs April first.

548
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: The request was denied the next day, April the second,

549
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: on nine am in the morning, Brianna had to bring

550
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: Corey back to his dad. Corey Michelo is able to

551
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: get out of the car's nine am, April the second.

552
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: He's able to get out of the car, He walks

553
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: to his dad's front door and opens the front door

554
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: himself and lets himself into the house. Nothing seems out

555
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: of the ordinary. He's fine. Later on, a couple hours later,

556
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: Brianna gets called from Christopher Gregor asking for Corey's insurance card,

557
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: saying he's lethargic, he's throwing up, he's slurring his words,

558
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: and I'm going to take him to the hospital. And

559
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: so he does. Now he doesn't tell the mother. He

560
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: does not tell Brie where he's taking Corey, just taking

561
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: her to the hospital. Taking my son to the hospital.

562
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: So she's left with calling the area hospitals, Joe trying

563
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: to find her son, who she knows is sick. She's

564
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: calling every hospital. Finally, you know what she had to do,

565
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: she had to call the police station and say, look,

566
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: I'm not the custodian old mother. You know, he's with

567
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: his dad, but he's sick, and his dad's stating in

568
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: the hospital. But he doesn't tell me where. And that's

569
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: when the police tell her, but your son's passed. Now

570
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 2: she drops him off the house at nine am. He's fine.

571
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: Later on that afternoon he has passed away. And he

572
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: actually Corey passed away in the hospital. He was actually

573
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: in that he was getting a cat scan, yep, and

574
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: actually had a seizure in the cat scan at the hospital,

575
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: surrounded by doctors and nurses, and he's right there and

576
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: still still he died.

577
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 3: They could not save his life.

578
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: Nothing they could do. Dave, he is, he is on

579
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: that slippery slope. And what it tells me is that

580
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: there is ongoing hemorrhage within him. And it's interesting of

581
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: note here. You know, he prior to be taken to

582
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: the hospital, he awakes from a nap. Do he realics

583
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: how hard it is to get a six year old

584
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: to take a nap. It's a herculean task, to say

585
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: the leiefs it is. But he's taken a nap. If

586
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: you've got a kid that's six years old and it's

587
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: in the middle of the day like this, particularly a

588
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: little boy who's full of energy, he's bouncing around this

589
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: sort of thing, he's going to lay down and take

590
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 1: a nap like he's a three year old old. Yeah,

591
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: feel good. And when he wakes up, Dave, he's slurring.

592
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: He's slurring, he is, he's complaining of nausea symptomology, just

593
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: kind of the disorientation and slurring the speech. That tells

594
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: me that there's probably some kind of neurological problem going on. Conversely,

595
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: it can also indicate that there is a tremendous amount

596
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: of internal blood loss going on. And that can arise

597
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: from any number of locations. Remember what I was talking

598
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: about with the points of impact. And Corey does, in

599
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: fact die in treatment room. You know where they're going

600
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: to do the CT. And I know, you know what

601
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: it's like to go into a CT. It's not as

602
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: bad as an MRI, but you know, they're loading you

603
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: into this this thing. You know, you're laying there on

604
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: your back and all of that, and then all of

605
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: a sudden and they're talking to you. Ever notice how

606
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: they talk to you over the loud speaker.

607
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: Well, you got.

608
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: To keep you from decompensating in there. I always feel

609
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: like I'm in a you know, in a torpedo tube. Anyway,

610
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. You don't like being in that environment.

611
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: And look, you got a six year old kid, and

612
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: these things are noisy too. He imagined what it's like

613
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,479
Speaker 1: to try to get a six year old calm down

614
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: and to keep them alert because they have to give

615
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: you directives. You're also how hard it is for a

616
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 1: six year old to lay still? Yeah, I know, and

617
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: but yet they're giving him directives and all of a

618
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: sudden day he's not responding. He's not responding to verbal

619
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: verbal commands or directives or anything like that. Buddy, he

620
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: is going into a cardiac arrest. How many times has

621
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: this ever happened in the presence of a clinician, where

622
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: you've got a kid that's not suffering from terminal illness

623
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: and they're surrounded in a hospital and they go into

624
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: a fatal event before your eyes and there's nothing you

625
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: can do about it. But in the wake of all

626
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: of this and the fact that the police had been

627
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: looking into this, it did obviously lead to charges. But

628
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: just let me run this down to you real quick,

629
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: because I think that it needs to be plainly stated

630
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: that when when Corey was autopsied and they begin to

631
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: assess those things that you remember, you remember day were,

632
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: you know, we were talking about those things that are

633
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:59,479
Speaker 1: just under the surface. This baby had cardiac which means

634
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: heart and liver contusions, which means he had sustained impact

635
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: injuries to his heart to his liver. There was an

636
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: inflammatory response, which means that it wasn't necessarily in the

637
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: phase that it had just happened. It had happened days before, okay,

638
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: and this was kind of a rollout. He's getting worse

639
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: and worse and worse all the way along, and you know,

640
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: the final diagnosis for this child was that he had

641
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: sustained first off consequences of chronic abuse, not acute. Acute

642
00:38:55,239 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: means suddenly chronic means DAVE, ongoing, ongoing, and the entries

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Speaker 1: that he had sustained. He had blunt force impact of

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Speaker 1: the chest, the abdomen, Dave with a laceration of his heart.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of this, but when

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Speaker 1: I see this case, I think about what he endured.

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Speaker 1: People talk about how they've been injured in life and

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Speaker 1: how they've had their heart broken. This child literally died

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Speaker 1: of a broken heart. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this

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Speaker 1: is body Backs