WEBVTT - The Primal Diet Con 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:06.280 Ah. Gwyneth Paltrow's butthole is what Kava and I are 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:10.560 talking about right now. Cava, hooda doctor, you were just 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:14.159 interviewed by BuzzFeed about said butthole. How did that go? 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:17.360 You know, it's interesting I have been spending a lot 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:20.560 more time talking about Gwyneth Paltrow's rectum than I ever 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:24.639 thought I would. I assumed going into medicine I would 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.640 a little. I just didn't think this much a lot. 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:30.760 I actually feel like a startling number of doctors have 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:35.880 a similar story. A Cava, Welcome back to the show 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:41.000 for you and I. It's been weeks for the people listening. 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.880 They have been jerked as if through time travel from 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:47.920 the live show that we did earlier this year at 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:53.280 sketch Fest into this conversation right now about Gwyneth Paltrow's butthole, 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:58.160 which could cause psychological damage. We may have destroyed some people. 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.520 I think people will be very disappointed to realize how 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:07.080 little growth there's been personally between us in the weeks 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.559 from the show to now. There's been like maybe you'll 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:11.399 notice you can like track it. You can just like 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:13.319 pay attention to what we said then and now, and 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:17.120 you could see a downward trajectory of our emotional growth. 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.720 Oh yeah, no, I think definitely we have like regressed 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:24.920 in a number of ways. For example, I no longer 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:28.160 know how to drive. I'm still driving. I'm still driving, 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.400 don't worry, but I've lost the ability to determine what 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:34.640 the signs mean. Thankfully, my vehicle is very large, so 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:38.080 it's been okay so far. You know, I just kind 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.839 of americad my way through that problem like everyone else 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:44.200 on the road in a truck. Yeah. No, that's good. 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.120 It's healthy, and it's American, and it's here, it's now. 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.360 I love it. I love it too. Speaking of American, 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:56.000 nothing could be more American than adopting unhinged and dangerous 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.560 diets that you stick to like a religion for a 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:03.440 series of farcical health benefits that are in no way real. 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.320 That is maybe the most American thing that there is. 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.280 It's the driving a truck without knowing how to drive. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.280 Of healthcare. We are the best at it. We are. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.920 Other people have tried. I've seen the Germans give a 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.400 good shot at it, but no one does it like 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.560 we know. Know, you think the Mongolians could do nonsense 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:24.480 like this, Absolutely not they're fad diets are trash. No, 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.000 they're fad diets are probably actually okay for you. But 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:31.480 ours are the good old fashioned, nonsense fad diets. Yes, 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:36.080 photos in this script are so gross, Oh, Sophie, I 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.520 haven't even put all of the grossest photos in there. 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:40.480 I'm waiting on those because I want I want you 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:48.639 to be surprised by them too, Sophie. So I felt like, oh, oh, 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:52.760 first off, you know, a live show, we kind of 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:54.280 have to be a little leaner than we do in 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:56.120 our normal shows. We don't have as much room to 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:57.919 kind because you know, you get a heart out. Usually 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:01.000 the venues only open so long. So there's stuff that 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.480 we kind of left on the cutting room floor. And 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:05.840 as I was putting that stuff back in so we 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.480 could talk about it, now, there's also a bunch of 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:12.360 stuff that I found and was fascinated by. And now 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:14.560 we're just going to kind of talk about some really 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:16.480 fucked up shit for a while, and if there's time 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:18.720 left over, we may watch some more liver king. But 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:22.480 first off, yeah, I wanted to talk Kaba a little 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:27.240 bit about the realities of the so called primal diet. Now, 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.799 obviously we've used that word a lot in Part one, 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.919 in the context of the liver King. The term has 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.720 I mean, this goes back quite a while, but one 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.080 of kind of the modern users of this term, one 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.400 of the people who's been most responsible for sort of 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:42.520 making it a big deal in the Internet age, is 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:45.360 a health grifter. He would call himself a health blogger 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:50.440 named Mark Sisson. Mark is the author of the Primal Blueprint, 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.800 which he describes as a set of rules to let you, 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:56.720 quote control how your genes express themselves in order to 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:02.080 build the strongest, leanest, healthiest body possible clues from evolutionary biology, 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.120 and I think some of what's going on there is 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.160 we talk about this and some of the Jordan Peterson 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:11.320 episodes very common misunderstandings of epigenetics, which are often taken 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.560 by these guys to mean that like, oh, you can 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:17.160 activate superpowers in your blood from your ancestors, and are 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:21.560 more often like, well, sometimes you can activate through environmental 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:25.080 stresses things that are beneficial, but sometimes you get diabetes. 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:32.560 Like it's a crapshoot exactly, And the very basic tenets 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.679 of this are always so off. It's just like, first 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.360 of all, to assume our ancestors all ate the same 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:42.520 thing as ridiculous. Yes, we will talk about that. Yeah, okay, yeah, 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.640 but no no please content. Yeah, it's I'm sure you're 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.480 going to talk about this. But it like you said, 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.599 you we left a lot of meat on the bone, 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:54.279 sort of sea from that. Do you like that? That's 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:58.599 a yeah reference? Yeah, yeah. But and now as we're 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:00.560 going to do a meat you know, as we've left 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:02.320 meat on the bone, this is we're making like a 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:05.720 nice stew a bone broth, which which these guys are 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:07.960 soaking too. Yeah, we're just going to soak in this. 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:12.960 It's um, I'm assuming this guy was like a wellness influencer, right, Like, 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:15.400 how long ago was it that this, the primal diet 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:20.839 came out. Yeah, back in like the nineteen sixties, I 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:22.960 think is kind of when a lot of this started. 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:28.320 It was generally called the Caveman or Paleolithic diet, And yeah, 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.000 a lot of it revolves around the idea that our 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.920 earliest ancestors, who lived from around two and a half 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:36.520 million years ago to about ten thousand BC, had everything 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.280 figured out nutrition wise, right. They were they were doing 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:44.280 it like perfect. They avoided seed, oils and processed foods, 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:47.560 They ate exclusively meat. This is what guys like marxis 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.599 on claim that, like, yeah, they avoided seed, oils and 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:52.480 process foods, that's why they were so healthy. They ate 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:54.960 nothing but meat, or sixty to seventy percent of their 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.560 diet was meat. And that is kind of the ancient 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:00.599 man that food bloggers and fitness influence. There's in the 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:05.480 primal space like our liver king imagine them. Now, not 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.880 all of what the paleo crowd is saying is bad, obviously, Kava. 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.120 As you know, processed foods are associated with higher cancer risks, 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.680 especially processed meats. That is something you definitely want to 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:19.080 limit in your diet optimal help. Red meat is associated 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.880 though as well cancer, which is the funny thing. They 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.200 never seem to note that that, like well, but red 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:29.880 meats also not great for you in massive quantities. The 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.599 funny thing about these guys is that their whole point 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:36.680 is like modernity is killing us, And yes, modernity is, 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:38.800 but it's more because of guys like this and their 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:42.479 ability to reach millions of people via the Internet. You know, yeah, 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.640 not everything they're saying is wrong, Like, yeah, you're totally right. 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.720 Processed foods and particularly processed deli meats. Red meats are 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:51.159 not good for you, you should avoid them, but to 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:55.200 like glorify this ancient diet, which you know, they're probably 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.440 not getting right and it's gonna be exposing them to 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:59.920 higher risks of cancer due to red meat and lower 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.720 fiber and probably lower micronutrients because of this, these primal 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.560 paleo diets, I mean, yeah, they miss the points there. 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:10.160 They're just their cherry picking little health points that help 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.040 them sell a supplement at the end of the day. 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.040 They're doing that, and they're also kind of like one 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.560 of the things like, yeah, if you are if you 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.720 are someone who is like living in a food desert, 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:24.040 eating you know, reheated meals or whatever swansons and stuff 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.560 for every meal or fast food all the time, and 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.320 you are able to switch over to like a you know, 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:34.720 raw food diet made out around like lean organic meats, Yeah, 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:38.000 you will probably notice some health benefits. But also most 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.200 of the people who are living that kind of diet 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.200 are doing it because it's what's affordable, it's what they 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:45.680 have time to cook if they're working eighty hours a week, 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:47.640 you know, if they live in a food desert, like 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.800 millions of Americans do, they you know, processed foods or 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.840 what they have access to. So kind of inherently a 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.360 lot of the when you do see different health outcomes 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.120 with the people using you know, living the Primal Life 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.800 or whatever, or doing Keto or whatever fad diet they're 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.200 doing a lot of it's just going to be like, well, 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.960 you're rich, so like, yeah, you know, you're accrediting it 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:08.720 to this fad diet. But at the end of the day, 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:12.840 you have the money to eat healthy and intentionally, as 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:16.400 opposed to like, well, I have seventeen minutes to figure 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:18.679 out what I'm having for dinner and it can't cost 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.240 more than four dollars, which a lot of people are 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:22.600 in that boat, and that you know you're not going 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:24.720 to be able to make the healthiest possible joyce if 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:29.720 that's the reality you're living with. Yeah, yeah, So there 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.120 is other stuff that's kind of more on the fence. 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.680 In terms of paleo advice. Paleo people tend to avoid 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:39.280 dairy or processed grains, and while it is absolutely true 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.000 that a lot of people eat more dairy than is 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.160 ideal for their health, if you look at like the 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.440 groups of people who are longest lived in the world. 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.040 For example, an awful lot of them eat lots of 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:51.160 yogurt like that, as traditional food like keffer and different 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:53.320 things like that. Those can be parts of very healthy 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.839 diets and are for large quantities of people. And also 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.160 a lot of these paleo folks are replacing whatever they're 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.719 cutting out with ma quantities of raw head meat if 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.000 you're the liver king, or just red meat if you're 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:08.560 a normal paleo person, and that's not necessarily an upgrade 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:10.880 from a health standpoint. Meanwhile, some of the stuff they're 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.840 cutting out, like bread. You know, whitebread's not great, but 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.920 there's all sorts of very healthy breads and very healthy 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.400 grains that are good for your diet, and that are also, 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.880 as we'll talk about, part of a diet human beings 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.959 have been eating for hundreds of thousands of years. These 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.560 kind of people also tend to avoid peanuts, lintels, bees, peas, 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:32.160 and legumes, which are all potentially healthy and we're also 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:37.559 probably available to many ancient peoples. As you noted, there 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:40.920 are many health issues with a diet heavy and red meats, 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.640 and consuming said meat raw offers no health benefits and 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.880 many downsides. It is worth noting a lot of primal 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:50.320 diet advocates are not weirdos about eating it uncooked like 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.360 the liver king is. But by far the most unhealthy 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:57.080 thing about these specific primal diet folks is their insistence 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:00.280 that not only does their exclusionary diet benefit health, which 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.160 is debatable, but that adhering to such a diet will 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:07.520 cure modern illnesses. They call these modern illnesses like diabetes. 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.840 Um Sisson writes on his blog, while the world has 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.600 changed in innumerable ways in the last ten thousand years, 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.360 for better and worse, the human genome has changed very 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:20.280 little and thus only thrives under similar conditions. And that's 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:24.000 that's not true. No, that's not true at all, very 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:29.560 actually wrong. No, like say some bullshit it is it, 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:31.600 I mean, and among other things, like a lot of 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.400 these people are the folks who focus on like gut 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.720 health and stuff, and we'll talk about gut biome and 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.880 not acknowledge that like well, actually a lot of what 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.439 has to do with whether or not we can like 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:45.320 digest certain things has to do with gut biome, which 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:49.560 can change much faster than ten thousand years. You know. 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:54.679 It's it's funny these these people. The reason I think 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:58.439 he does. He sells these like foods or the reason 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:02.600 the liver king, I assume is pushing these this diet 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.880 is not because he is even in any sense believes 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:09.080 it works. It's just because he knows it's disgusting and 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:11.040 he knows that no one will eat it, but he 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:15.280 has convinced people that it's going to help him to 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:19.040 help them because of modernity and ancient detoxing and all 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:23.280 these nonsense words that every grifter in wellness throws out there, 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.200 and because he knows no one will want to do 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.200 the nasty stuff that he is advertising, which gets the 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.000 clicks that he can then seek to say, instead of 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.000 doing all that, you just have this, I'll take care 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:35.760 of it. This is the stuff that you need. This 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.560 one little pill. It's it's an ancient pill made in 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:40.960 a lab. It is, it is not. It is modern, 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.719 but it's not modern, and it's not gonna be. It's 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.520 gonna be a modern thing that's ancient. In this nonsense 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:50.280 that somehow people will buy and do the mental gymnastics 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.080 around until they get to this point where they are 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:55.840 willing to spend shit tons of money on these products 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:59.480 that are completely unproven in any way yeah, and it's 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:03.000 it's making advantage of the fact that, like health is confusing, 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.760 there is a lot that we don't understand, particularly when 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.200 it comes to stuff like why is it hard for 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.920 some people to lose weight or keep weight off? Like 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:15.120 why is it difficult for people to control their blood sugar? 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.200 Like all of the there's all these different things that like, 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:19.640 even when there is an answer, maybe you don't have 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.760 good access to it because you don't have good access 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:26.480 to quality medical care. But you always have access to TikTok, right, 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:28.720 and so this guy can offer you a solution to 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:32.360 all of your health problems. It's worth noting that, like, 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.760 as we've talked about, the idea that human beings have 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.720 not changed fundamentally in ten thousand years or however long 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:43.600 is fundamentally untrue, as this right up from Scientific American 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:45.720 makes clear. I'm going to quote from this now because 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:49.200 it summarizes it pretty well. Several examples of recent and 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:53.240 relatively speedy human evolution underscore that our anatomy and genetics 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.559 have not been set in stone since the Stone Age. 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.160 Within a span of seven thousand years. For instance, people 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:01.840 adapted to eating dairy by developing lactose tolerance. Usually the 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.880 gene encoding an enzyme named lactase, which breaks down lactose 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:08.440 sugars and milk, shuts down after infancy. When dairy became prevalent, 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.320 many people evolved a mutation that kept the gene turned 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:14.559 on throughout life. Likewise that a genetic mutation responsible for 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.480 blue eyes likely arose between six thousand and ten thousand 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.520 years ago, and in regions where malaria is common, natural 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.600 selection has modified people's immune systems in red blood cells 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:26.520 in ways that help them resist the mosquito born disease. 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.240 Some of these genetic mutations appeared within the last ten 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:32.480 thousand years, or even five thousand years. The organisms with 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:35.280 which we share our bodies have evolved even faster, particularly 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.080 the billions of bacteria living in our intestines our gut. 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.600 Bacteria interact with our food in many ways, helping us 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.439 break down tough plant fibers, but also competing for calories. 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.240 We do not have direct evidence of which bacterial species 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.160 thrived in the Paleolithic intestines, but we can be sure 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:52.480 that their microbial communities do not match our own, Even 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.960 if eating only foods available to hunter gatherers in the 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.760 Paleolithic made sense, it would be impossible. As Christino Warriner 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.040 of the University of Zurich pre sizes in her twenty 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:04.839 twelve ted talk, just about every single species commonly consumed today, 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.920 whether a fruit, vegetable, or animal, is drastically different from 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:11.360 its Paleolithic predecessor. In most cases, we have trans formed 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.800 the species we eat through artificial selection. We have bread cows, chickens, 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:16.760 and goats to provide as much meat, milk, and eggs 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.240 as possible, and have sown seeds only from plants with 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.400 the most desirable traits, with the biggest fruits, plumpest kernels, 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:27.000 Swedish flesh, and fewest natural toxins, and like, yeah, this 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.440 is like I think a big part of it for 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.720 me is this ignorance of the fact that everything has 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:36.120 changed about the things that people have access too since then. 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.400 There's basically no one who's capable of living and eating 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:41.880 the diet people did ten thousand years ago, or even 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.920 particularly close to that diet. And I mean he's right 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.840 to some degree. We haven't evolved so far from those 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.000 ancestors that we would look that dramatically different, but there 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.840 have been acquired genetic mutations since then. Things that help 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.600 us with the changing diets, like starches or being able 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.120 to consume cow's milk well until through childhood. I mean, 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:04.960 you could debate how much, but clearly we have. Clearly 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.080 there has been some aptation that much we can see. Yeah, 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.840 I mean there's there's just a um if you want 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.120 to think about, like how much even animals have changed. 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.960 Like there are a lot of species of livestock that 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.080 require assistance in birthing. They're young because of the ways 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.840 in which we have bred them, and like wild animals, 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.480 the ancestors of those animals did not need human beings 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.560 to deliver their babies right like obviously they did, Otherwise 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:33.160 they wouldn't have survived. The Kentucky fried chicken chickens that 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.560 come out so big, they're breaks so big they cannot 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:40.560 mate or walk. Yeah, we made those. We invented them, 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.880 you could, I mean, and maybe we shouldn't have, but 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.320 we did. And they're not the same as whatever people 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.480 were eating eight thousand years ago, even if they were 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:51.680 eating chicken um. Very basic research done by scientists who 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.280 study prehistoric man with rigor rather than write fantasies about him, 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:58.240 shows they're also they also were not immune to health problems, 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:00.320 which is like the weirdest thing about this to me. 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:02.280 I think a lot of it started. There was a 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.320 lot of writing you would see thirty forty years ago 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:08.040 about like, you know, people in ten thousand BC, twenty 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.560 thousand BC probably you know, if you survived to adulthood, 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.680 would have had kind of a muscle and bone density 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:17.440 that only like the very best athletes have today, which like, well, yeah, 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.840 they were living outside the whole time, they were always moving, 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.840 they were always like yeah, maybe that was the case, 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.000 but that's kind of translated into they didn't have any 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.560 health problems and like none of the modern issues that 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.760 we have, which is objectively untrue. For one thing, obviously 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:37.360 a minority of our paleo ancestors lived to adulthood. Many 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:39.720 would have died before fifteen, which is why their life 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.560 expectancy was so low. More to the point, they suffered 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.120 a lot of the same ailments we did. A recent 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:49.200 lance At study found signs of atherosclerosis or clogged arteries, 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.040 and more than a hundred mummified remains from ancient hunter 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:56.280 gatherer and forager societies around the world. Quote. A common 0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:00.080 assumption is that atherosclerosis is predominantly lifestyle related, and that 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.800 if modern human beings could emulate pre industrial or even 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:07.800 pre agricultural lifestyles, that athlerosclerosis, or at least it's clinical manifestations, 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.720 would be avoided. But they found evidence of atherosclerosis in 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.159 forty seven of one hundred and thirty seven mummies from 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:18.080 each of the different geological or geographical regions. So, like, 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.240 like the shit that they claim is like, well, this 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:22.760 is a result of your process diet. Yeah, I'm sure 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.760 that that makes it worse in some cases more common, 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.159 but like they got this shit back then too, and 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.080 parts of a lot of red made. Yeah, there's there's 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.240 always this interaction between like and I'm sorry, this is good. 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:38.160 This is like the probably more sciency than you guys want, 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:42.200 but like there's always this complicated interaction between your genetics 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.520 and your environment and the things you do and how 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.000 it affects your body and how people with a cholesterol 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.399 how that they may react or how they may have 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:51.440 it in their bodies. And you know, when it comes 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.760 down to it, it genetically, as long as you're able 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.320 to pass on your genes, which means you're able to 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:00.359 have sex at some point and have kids then whatever 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.679 happens after that doesn't matter as much. So if you 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:06.679 are dying of athosclerosis in your thirties, your forties, you 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:08.840 know you were still able to pass on your genes. 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.359 It didn't make you genetically weaker, it didn't get it 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.800 wouldn't necessarily be affected that way. So it could still 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.000 be there. It could have been there then and still 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.119 here now. And we know that there is like a 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:22.200 genetic contribution to all these diseases. Yeah, and there are 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:26.040 you know, reasonable people in the paleo subculture that reject 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:29.080 the liver king stuff about munching raw organs, but they 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:32.399 still tend to see the basic realities of the ancient diet. 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.199 They tend to argue that the basic realities of the 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.400 ancient diet provided a good guideline for optimal health performance, 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:42.080 which is also just nonsense. As you mentioned a little 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:46.119 bit earlier, we don't really know much what about We 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:49.240 don't know much about what prehistoric people ate in a 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:52.080 lot of cases, in all regions of the globe, certainly, 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:55.520 and we don't know how widespread different kinds of prehistoric 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.720 diets were. But we do know that they were different 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.520 all over the place based on the time of year 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.560 and based on what different people had access to. But 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.280 kind of more pointedly, there's no such thing as the 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:10.119 primal diet or the hunter gatherer diet. There were a 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:12.320 bunch of different ones. I'm looking at a chart right 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.680 now that kind of lays out, and this is looking 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:18.720 at modern modern hunter gatherers, and modern hunter gatherers like 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:21.639 the Inuit, like the Hwei, like the Kung, like the Hadza, 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:25.000 are often called like living fossils because of how similar 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:28.320 they supposedly were to our hunter gatherer ancestors. That is 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:32.000 not true. There's certainly value in studying them. You can 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.480 learn things about hunter gatherers in all periods by studying 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:38.679 hunter gatherers today. But these are modern people living in 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.280 the modern world, whose lifestyle, whose bodies, whose health have 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:45.719 been affected by modernity. They are not fossils. They're human beings. 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:49.760 I can't imagine they like that term. No, look they 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:53.720 are They're just people, you know. Now, It is worth 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:55.200 kind of if you want to look at, like what 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:59.359 these different people's diet includes. Inuit folks as much as 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.240 like nineteen ninety five percent of their diet from animal 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:06.360 products from animals that they hunt. The hewe people, it's 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:10.760 more like eighty percent animals, about ten to fifteen percent 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:14.439 fruits and vegetables, and then about fifteen to twenty percent 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.280 roots something like that. Seventy five percent maybe a meat. 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.800 But the e Kung only eat about ten percent of 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:25.120 their calories fifteen percent of their calories from meat, whereas 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.919 they get about twice as much from fruits and vegetables. 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:31.119 They eat a few roots. The vast majority of their 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.679 caloric intake more than half as seeds and nuts, and 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:35.680 they get a little bit from meat or from milk 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:39.879 and corn meal. The Hadza are at about fifty percent 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:43.199 of their calories from meat and fish, they get you know, 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.240 about fifteen twenty percent from fruits and vegetables, and then 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:51.320 about thirtyish percent something like that from roots. So as 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.399 you can see, even within just these four people, the 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.920 diet varies quite widely. And like you know, you could 0:20:57.960 --> 0:20:59.760 look at the Inuit and say, well, that looks like 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.479 least in terms of quantity of meat consumed, like what 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:04.439 the liver king is doing. But if you look at 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.640 the Akung, that doesn't look at all like the liver 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:11.440 king's diet, nor really does the Hadza. So it probably 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:13.760