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Speaker 1: for you and I. It's been weeks for the people listening.

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Speaker 1: curious man. I'll eat anything someone offers me in their home.

427
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Speaker 1: I yet exactly. I watched Indiana Jones and the Temple

428
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Speaker 1: of Doom. We've talked about this. There's only one good

429
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Speaker 1: movie of that whole movie. Move one only one good

430
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 1: part about that whole racist movie, and it's that it

431
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: teaches it doesn't matter what you're what's put in front

432
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: of you, you eat it because that might be the

433
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: last meal that those people have to offer. You eat it.

434
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: That is a that is a firm fit that I

435
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Speaker 1: believe in. That is the one, the one bright moment

436
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: in that in that movie's attitude towards I don't know,

437
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: but then it gets really racist with like, yeah, it's

438
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: get racist pretty quick. Yeah. Anyway, Indiana Jones and the

439
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: Temple of Doom. Doctor Cavahota recommends it as a woke

440
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: guide to life. So let's let's continue talking about the Heewee,

441
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 1: because while these folks do kind of live the ideal

442
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 1: liver king life on paper, they are not a famously

443
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: healthy people. Now, obviously this doesn't just due to their diet.

444
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 1: We do not know how they would have lived a

445
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: couple of thousand years ago, right before you know the colonization.

446
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: You cannot divorce the health problems that these people face

447
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,479
Speaker 1: from capitalist modernity or the degree to which they've had

448
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 1: their climate ravaged, their environment ravaged, and their traditional homelands

449
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 1: encroached upon. But they also suffer consequences that have probably

450
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: always been present of eating huge quantities of game that

451
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 1: has not always been sufficiently cooked. The Heewe are shorter, thinner,

452
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: and less energetic than other hunter gatherer tribes nearby, like

453
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Speaker 1: the Ace and Paraguay. They suffer from infections of parasites

454
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: like hookworms at an exceptionally high rate, and only about

455
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: fifty percent of their children survived to adulthood. Behind the

456
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: paleocras is a legitimate debate by some scholars over the

457
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: realities of the Stone Age diet and how much it

458
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: might match an ideal diet for modern people. The fact

459
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: that some of these scientists like Lauren Cordain of Colorado

460
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: State University have written books advocating the paleo diet. Muddies

461
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: their claims a bit more, and I'm going to quote

462
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Speaker 1: from National Geographic here. After studying the diets of living

463
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: hunter gatherers and concluding that seventy three percent of these

464
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: societies derive more than half their calories from meat, Cordain

465
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: came up with his own paleoprescription. Eat plenty of lean

466
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Speaker 1: mitten fish, but not dairy products, beans, or cereal grains,

467
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: foods introduced into our diet after the invention of cooking

468
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 1: and agriculture. Paleo diet advocates like Cordain say that if

469
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Speaker 1: we stick to the foods our hunter gatherers once eight,

470
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: we can avoid the diseases of civilization, such as heart disease,

471
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: high blood pressure, diabetes, cancer, even acne. Now, again, there's

472
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Speaker 1: some of this that has its origins and probably kind

473
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Speaker 1: of the motivation to start writing about this shit has

474
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: its origins and as somewhat legitimate anthropological theory, which is

475
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: the idea that we humans might have developed our big

476
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,959
Speaker 1: brains and thus our ability to invent shit like podcasts

477
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: because our ancestors were such good hunters that they eate

478
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: a shitload of protein and that made their brains grow

479
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: up big and strong. Now, it is true that hunter

480
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: gathers around the world crave meat more than any other

481
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: food and usually get around thirty percent or more of

482
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: their annual calories from animals, but most of these groups

483
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: also endure extremely lean times where they eat less than

484
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: a handful of meat each week. There's studies right now

485
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: that suggest that kind of reliance on meat, and ancient

486
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 1: humans probably was not the only thing that fueled the

487
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: brains expansion, especially since there would have been large chunks

488
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: of the year where that simply would not have been available.

489
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about that as well as

490
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Speaker 1: the high meat subculture, which I'm excited to introduce to Yukava.

491
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Speaker 1: But first, you know what, never you know what is

492
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Speaker 1: responsible for our large brains, doctor hoda Um. Yes, the

493
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Speaker 1: fact that the female human anatomy allows for the pelvis

494
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Speaker 1: to have an anterior sort of direction, allows for a

495
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: wider birth canal. And non, no, sorry, no, no, it's

496
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: it's these products and services. That was my second guess.

497
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Speaker 1: That's the second guess. That's right. Uh, we're back, and

498
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499
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500
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: don't like dick pill ads, but those make me think

501
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Speaker 1: that it actually works. Yeah. And and you know what

502
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: they say about dicks, they're like a brain. They're the

503
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: brains of the crotch. Um, that's not what people say. Um,

504
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: So let's talk about um the anthropological theory that a

505
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: reliance on meat is kind of what what made human

506
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: brains get so much bigger. Um. It's kind of worth

507
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: noting that, like the idealized version of hunter gathers and

508
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 1: of our ancient ancestors is of these kind of like

509
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: super hunters, you know, stumbling into the bush or going

510
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: into the bush with you know, a spear or an

511
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: adiladdle or a bow and arrow, and just like dropping

512
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: animals every single day in order to bring meat back

513
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: to the family. That's not the way it ever has

514
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: been or ever will be, because hunting is actually really hard, Kava.

515
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: It's extremely difficult to do. Um. Today, I try fishing once.

516
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: It didn't work out well for me. Yeah, I would

517
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: if there ever isn't an apocalypse, And I'm going to

518
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: try and find you so you can gather food for

519
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: me and hunt things for me, because I will perish,

520
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean most people will. Basically everyone will perish if

521
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: you rely entirely upon hunting for your calories. Trapping is

522
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: much better, you know, when it comes to fishing, doing

523
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: stuff like setting up kind of traps along the coast

524
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: that are you know, big nets that can sweep up

525
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 1: large numbers of fish. That's much smarter than just like

526
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: going out into the bush with a bow and arrow.

527
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: You do get calories that way, and you get stuff

528
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: that's useful for you, like you know, skins and pelts

529
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: and whatnot that can be a necessary part of like

530
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: clothing folks. But you know, groups like the Hadza and

531
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: the ku Kung bushmen of Africa fail to get meat

532
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: more than half the time when they go out hunting,

533
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: which doesn't mean they're bad hunters. It's just like hunting

534
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: is difficult, and it's gotten more difficult in the modern period.

535
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: But also, even though certain things have gotten more difficult now,

536
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: they also have better weapons than people would have had

537
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: access to twenty thousand years ago, because again, they're not

538
00:28:54,880 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: living fossils, right, they're human beings. At twenty twenty three. Yeah,

539
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: it's kind of worth noting that when you actually look

540
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: at different kind of people's living a more traditional life,

541
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: who do eat meat all the time and who do

542
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: make it the vast majority of their diet year round,

543
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,239
Speaker 1: it tends to be coastal peoples or people like up

544
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: in the Art. I mean that is also a coastal

545
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: people's like the Inuit, who do a lot of you know, fishing,

546
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: They do a lot of trapping. They do get a

547
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: lot of like larger animals like seals and nar walls.

548
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: But as a general rule, most hunter gatherers cannot rely

549
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: on hunted meat year round, or even trapped meat, which

550
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: is why all of these groups only survived because of foragers,

551
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: which was a job primarily done as far as we can,

552
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: as far as we are aware, by women. Often women

553
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: with like young children would do a lot of the foraging.

554
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: They would get things, you know, various kinds of plants, tubers, nuts.

555
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: It can be kind of resource intensive to process them,

556
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: so it's a good thing to have little kids do.

557
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: It's not hard to teach little kids to like process

558
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: nuts or to process tubers, things like plantains and manioc

559
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: In the Americas, Australian Aboriginal people often feasted on nutgrass

560
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: and water chestnuts. There's this kind of story that these

561
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: peoples all must have been these sort of primal hunters,

562
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: but again, none of them survive without foraging. And when

563
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: they're foraging, they're eating the kind of stuff that these

564
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: primal diet advocates and guys like the liver Kings are

565
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: telling you not to eat, including grains. There's evidence of

566
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: people eating grains for at least one hundred thousand years,

567
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: which is more than enough time for us to have

568
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: evolved the ability to tolerate them. In fact, we would

569
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: not have survived to this point without them. Yeah, we

570
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: have those, We have had adaptations clearly for starches and giants. Sure. Yeah,

571
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Speaker 1: And there was probably a fairly long period of time

572
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: where large numbers of people were doing a lot of

573
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: weird pooping. And those people are heroes and we should

574
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: remember them as such, our courageous ancestors who pooped out

575
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: grains long enough that they were eventually able to tolerate them.

576
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: God bless you all, heroes, marrigan heroes, just like those

577
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: ancient Europeans guzzling milk and just shitting constantly. For generations

578
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: pooping themselves to death so that I could enjoy a

579
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: nice block of cheese. That's right, just trying different milk

580
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: from different animals. Just pioneers, all so. White people have

581
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: a long history of fetishizing indigenous peoples and those living

582
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: kind of what are called more traditional lifestyles, while also

583
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: attempting to profit off of merchandising aspects of that lifestyle.

584
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: The liver king is one silly example of this trend,

585
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: but perhaps the most preposterous is the tale of high

586
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: meat so covet fermentation. Yeah, yeah, you will make blue

587
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: apron high meat if you just don't take your blue

588
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: Apron bag in for several months, because it's just rotting meat,

589
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: so you can ferment meat. Fermentation is a process of

590
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: controlled decay. You can ferment meat and eat it and

591
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: it can be fine for you. That is a process

592
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: that's not wildly different from the process of making sourkrout.

593
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: Various peoples all around the planet have done this with

594
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: meat and fish for as long as there have been people,

595
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: probably or pretty close to it. There are examples for

596
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: early food and scan andavy. I think like lootfisk, right,

597
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: which is basically fish that you let rot in a

598
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: very specific way so that it ferments. The Greenland Induit,

599
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: the Greenland Inuits enjoy what's called kivac, which is a

600
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: fermented seabird dish, and it's actually fascinating. I've never had this.

601
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: I would try it were it offered to me, as

602
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: we just discussed. But the way that you make kiviak basically,

603
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: you get several hundred small birds called ox, and you

604
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: leaving the feathers and stuff on them. You tightly pack

605
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: the bodies into a bag made of seal skin that

606
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: you've left the fat on because as it rots, the

607
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: fat is going to make the bird meat tender. So

608
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: you sew up this seal skin with all of these

609
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: hundreds of birds in it, and you grease it with

610
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: seal fat, which repels flies, and then you store it

611
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: underneath a bunch of rocks right so that animals can't

612
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: get to it, and you let it ferment for I

613
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: think usually it's something like three or four months. When

614
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: the process is done, when you kind of come back

615
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: for it, you open it up, you remove the feathers

616
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: from the birds, and then you eat the birds skin, bones,

617
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: organs and all. It's consumed raw I think the bones

618
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,239
Speaker 1: get a lot softer when you kind of let it

619
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: ferment like that, And that's the thing. A lot of

620
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: people are gonna be like, well, that sounds nasty, and

621
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: that's fine. You don't need to eat it. I would

622
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: again I try it. The Greenland Inuits, like most Inuit people's,

623
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: eat mostly meat, and they sometimes get as much as

624
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: ninety eight percent of their calories from animals. They do

625
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: consider kivaka delicacy, but it evolved for a specific and

626
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: very practical purpose. The fact is that hunting, as we've

627
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: talked about, is often difficult or impossible for chunks of

628
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: the year. Think about what it's like where the Greenland

629
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: induits live. There's times where you simply can't go out

630
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: and hunt because it's too fucking cold to survive doing that,

631
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: and you need to have food that's stored that can

632
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: tide you over during those periods of time. Kiviak is

633
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: hunted and prepared in the spring so that it can

634
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: be consumed during the winter, and it was probably developed

635
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: over time as a way to preserve calories during periods

636
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: of abundance for the lean winter months. Because it contains

637
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: so much organ meat. Kiviac is extremely high vitamins and nutrients.

638
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Speaker 1: It is thus an incredibly pragmatic thing to have in

639
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: your diet if you live the way in Greenland that

640
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: the Inuit do, right, it makes total sense when you

641
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 1: actually think about logically, why would they do this? What

642
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: role does it fulfill? A very practical thing to do.

643
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: But of course weirdo fitness influencers and diet freaks on

644
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: the internet have leaped onto the idea that fermented meat

645
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: is the ultimate source of nutrition. They call it high meat,

646
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: which they say, I think is a term that has

647
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: been used and been used by some Inuit peoples rather

648
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: than but you know, when we're talking about like kivac,

649
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: this is a that's a pretty deliberate and elaborate process.

650
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 1: Lot of high meat advocates are basically leaving mason jars

651
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: of raw meat out for months at a time, either

652
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 1: in their fridge or at room temperature, to consume after

653
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: its age. Some people will aid shit for like a year,

654
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: which people aren't generally doing with stuff like kevat. So

655
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: you want, I wonder how many gi illnesses that I,

656
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: as a gastroenteorologists have treated over the years where it

657
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: was someone who did something like this, and they just

658
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: didn't want to tell me. Yeah, they've been eating high

659
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: meat and it's making them boop themselves to death because

660
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: they didn't. Yeah, and it is worth noting you can

661
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: buy meat and you can ferment it and you can

662
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: eat it and it will not be dangerous for it

663
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: is possible. I should I'm not saying you should do this.

664
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: It is theoretically possible to ferment meat as other people

665
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: have done for generations, in a way that is not

666
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: dangerous for you. It is not likely that you are

667
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: going to do it with the advice that you are

668
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: getting on Reddit dot com. And there's no specific health

669
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: benefits for it, right, And again then it are not

670
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 1: eating kiviak because it's like a super food that gives

671
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: them liver king like powers. They're eating it because like

672
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: it has a lot of vitamins and it stores well, right,

673
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: Like it's it's not they have to, Yeah, well it's

674
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: if they have to, it's become part of the culture.

675
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: There's all sorts of cheese and stuff. Is a way

676
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: we've got all this milk. How do we store this

677
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: ship for a long period of time? You know? Yeah? Sure,

678
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: some of it was found out by mistake, Like they

679
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: were really hungry and they had stored something and they

680
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: realized it was it was something they had stored for

681
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: a while and it fermented that point and they tried

682
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: it and they realized that they were able to survive

683
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: it and it got them through and then they were

684
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: able to sort of adapt that and make it work

685
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: for them. I get it. Yeah, it's like the story

686
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: of how cheese. I mean this is It probably is

687
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: much it's certainly much more complicated than that. But there's

688
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: kind of like a legend that there's this guy in

689
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: the desert and he's got this water bag that's made

690
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: out of like a lamb's stomach and he pours some

691
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: milk in it to go hiking in the desert and

692
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: over time because it's got that I forget exactly what

693
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: there's like a stomach acid that you used to make cheese,

694
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: and like that's where we we get our cheese from, right,

695
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: is like this guy's hiking and he realizes, oh, something

696
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: has happened. You know. Um, that's that's but delicious. You

697
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't call it cheese is not super food. It doesn't

698
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: because it's made this weird way. It does not come

699
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: with like all sorts of superhuman medical benefits. It can

700
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: be part of a healthy diet, right. High meat advocates

701
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: are of course weirdos on the internet, and so they

702
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: take the weirdo on the internet tact of being like

703
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: this shit gives you powers. Basically, it makes you euphoric.

704
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: It'll they do talk about it helping you lose weight,

705
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: which I suspect they're right about, but not. Yeah. Man,

706
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: if you eat nothing but rotting meat, you will lose weight.

707
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: Your silly shit yourself to good health. Um the Robert

708
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: Evans Health Book. Just get by four hundred hot dogs

709
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: and leave them, leave them in the bed of your truck.

710
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: Get one of those like get get get a four

711
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: D f one fifty that's a key key or a

712
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: Toyota tom and get one of those big metal lids.

713
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: Fill the whole bed with hot dogs and just drive

714
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: around all summer in it. Right, and then when winter

715
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: comes and food is scarce, pop that hood open and

716
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: just go to town with a spoon. You know you're

717
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: good to go. You're good. The hot dog truck is

718
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: the ideal way to consume calories. It'll put it, it'll

719
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: go straight to muscle it's like steroids for you. Really,

720
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: you get extra energy from it. It's great. That's a

721
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: coma truck full of basically hot dog pudding. Yeah, a

722
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: hot dog, A hot dog to coma. Sometimes I'll get

723
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: your sour cream pour some in there too. You want

724
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: to like start at the beginning of June and then

725
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 1: buy October. Your hot dog to Coma's probably ready to eat.

726
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: Are we just trying to see if we can make

727
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: Sophie puke? Yeah? I think we are. You can't do it,

728
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: but you know who can make Sophie vomit with joy? Yes?

729
00:38:50,160 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: The sponsors of this podcast. Hey everybody, we're We're back

730
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: and the boy we have some more high meat to

731
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: talk about. But Sophie has informed me that earth shattering

732
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: political news has just come down the fucking pipe. Yeah.

733
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: Donald Donald Trump will be the first former president to

734
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: face criminal charges. Honestly, good for him, Proud of him,

735
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: proud of him. Man, it's been a while since fun

736
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: breaking news broke. Oh yeah, rock. See, so this means

737
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: that a grand jury has voted to indict him on

738
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: this is okay, So I'm sorry I shouldn't know this,

739
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: but this is because of the hush money is that

740
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,959
Speaker 1: that's why? Yeah, yeah, ye hundred and thirty thousand or something. Yeah,

741
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: his roll back in the in the hush money paid

742
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: Stormy Daniels back in twenty sixteen. Mm, no before, no,

743
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: apologies before that. He paid Stormy as before the twenty

744
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: sixteen election and then lied about God, that's funny. Is

745
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: it so funny? Is there any chance, any chance that

746
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: he will actually suffer any form of consequence from this? Well?

747
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: I mean I think he has to either surrender himself

748
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: or be arrested just because he has been charged criminally. Um,

749
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: so you know that's you could argue a consequence. Although

750
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: there are there is some kind of reporting from people

751
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: around him saying that he wants to be arrested and

752
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: get the cameras on him and stuff, and you know,

753
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: obviously you can. And there is a decently long American

754
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: political tradition of being arrested in ways that benefit you

755
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 1: as a as a public figure, right, that is a thing.

756
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: And Trump is certainly capable of being that kind of guy.

757
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: I am still saying it's pretty funny. No, it's it's

758
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: hilarious and I love it, and it's the best news

759
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: I've heard in a while. Wow, what a great piece

760
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: of news, Sophie, to come in while we're talking about

761
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: eating meat that you've allowed to rot for unbelievable quantities

762
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: of time. Speaking of rotting meat, yeah, Donald Trump in

763
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: a way, isn't Donald Trump like a Toyo Tacoma filled

764
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: with rancid hot dogs and butter? Yeah? Yes, like that

765
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: did ex president is Yeah, he is a politician that

766
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: we have. I mean, honestly, Rudy Giuliani has been fermenting

767
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: for a lot longer. So high meat advocates report feeling

768
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: euphoria after eating ransom meat. It's called high meat because

769
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: you feel high having eaten it. There's no way to

770
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: disprove a subjective claim like this. It might be due

771
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: to the placebo effect, it might be due to the

772
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: fact that a lot of these people shit themselves have

773
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: to death and them feel hilarious. But also outside of

774
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe they do. Maybe it does make you

775
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: feel high. Right, I've definitely had like a fucking good

776
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: ass kombucha that made me feel pretty pumped, So I

777
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: get it. Maybe it's I'm not saying it's impossible, but

778
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: the health claims that are generally made by these people

779
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: about high meat are impossible. A. Jonas vander Planets is

780
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: an advocate of the primal diet and one of the

781
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: former leading lights of the high meat subculture. He claimed

782
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: that a primal diet cured him of everything from autism

783
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: to juvenile diabetes. Here's a fun quote from a New

784
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: Yorker article pointing because his name is so fucking cool,

785
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: it is a pretty cool name. Vander Planet says he

786
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: got the high meat and its name from the ESCU

787
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: that he they used. You know, the term that you

788
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: shouldn't use for the Inuit who savor rotten cariboo and seal.

789
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: A regular serving of decade heart or liver should can

790
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: have a tremendous viagra effect on the elderly. Vonder Planets

791
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: told me recently. The first few bites, though, can be

792
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: rough going. I still have some resistance to it, but

793
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: the health benefits. I'm fifty two now. I started this

794
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: when I was forty two, and I feel like I'm

795
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: in my twenties. So that article was published in twenty fourteen.

796
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 1: Shortly after being interviewed for it. In August of twenty thirteen,

797
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: vonder Planets fell off the railing of his balcony and

798
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: Thailand and seriously injured himself. A statement I found from

799
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: a friend on the get Raw Milk website explains what

800
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: happens next. Oh yeah, he broke his back quite severely

801
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: next to the first rib and could not move his legs.

802
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: He took charge of the care of his body, even

803
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: in the hospital, where he had them wrap his torso

804
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: to stabilize the bones. He did have one X ray

805
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 1: and then would not let them do more. The doctors

806
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: wanted to operate, and he refused. He had them wrap

807
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: him and feed him food, and continued so for two days.

808
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: He was apparently in good spirits, but did experience what

809
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: must have been severe pain, for he did let them

810
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: give him at least two pain shots. This might have

811
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: been necessary for him to stay awaken in control, as

812
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: the body can shut down from pain. There was blood

813
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: in his stomach at some point, for he did regurgitate

814
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: some food with it. On the third day of his

815
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: hospital stay, he sent his girlfriend to a court proceeding

816
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: in Bangkok, about three and a half hours away about

817
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: the land there in Thailand. Over her protests, he insisted

818
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: she go. While she was gone, he went into a

819
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 1: coma and they put an Ivy in him. When she returned,

820
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: he was very bad. At this point, she emailed our

821
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: time member who called a few of us. The doctors

822
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: say he had a kidney infection and a blood infection.

823
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: They continued to feed him butter and honey as instructed

824
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: and followed his wishes as possible of him oxygen. As

825
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: his breathing decreased and he steadily lost blood pressure. They

826
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: told us that kidneys had stopped functioning and we're not

827
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: producing urine. They wanted to do something, but no one

828
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: had any authority to override his stated wishes. And I'm

829
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: not going to laugh about this guy's situation, but that

830
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: is kind of the consequence of this attitude towards how

831
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm I'm surprised the honey didn't fix his kidneys.

832
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: That's a part of it that I don't understand. Yeah,

833
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: it's shocking. Seems like that should have done the trick. Huh,

834
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: they didn't give it iv that's the thing. Yeah, that's

835
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: that's that's probably at ivy honey, that that would have

836
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: saved him. Most of the high meat videos that you

837
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: were going to find online are of some dude who

838
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: looks like he owns multiple crypto wallets and has intense

839
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: opinions on decentral land. I did find a fun one

840
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: by doctor Anette Bosworth, MD. Now when you google her,

841
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: the first result is and that boss Worth guilty of

842
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: all charges, which immediately let me know we were in

843
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: the right direction here. It turns out she ran for

844
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: Senate and filed a bunch of false documents, which is

845
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: actually a lot better than I'd expected, given that she's

846
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: a doctor, Like I was expecting, like, oh, how many

847
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: people did she get killed? Like, how many bodies is

848
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: this lady stacked? It's the best case. Yeah. So in

849
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: this video, she starts by saying she's on the ketogenic

850
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: diet and recommends rotting meat for ketosis, which again I

851
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: guess kind of makes sense in the same way that

852
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: like getting so drunk you vomit up everything in your

853
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: stomach can technically aid in ketosis. The first thing that

854
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: she notes is she walks you through her journey of

855
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: fermenting raw chicken livers, is that she was quickly forced

856
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: to put the jar outside because it stanks so bad,

857
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: which might have been a sign you have to like

858
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: basically burp the meat like this to let the gases

859
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: out and like expose it to air periodically and stuff.

860
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: There's like there is a process to fermenting the meat

861
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: if you don't want to get super sick. Although it

862
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: doesn't look good, Sophie, can you show him the day

863
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: one of the fermenting chicken lover, just so we're starting

864
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: with the baseline. It's okay, I've seen some bad She's

865
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: like adding some salt to it, a little bit of water.

866
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: So that's day one, Cava. Yeah, let's do it. Ye Okay,

867
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: that doesn't look great. Okay, it look amazing, but it

868
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: does bad. Yeah, just just kind of looks like meat

869
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: that you've got seasoning or something. Here's day four. Oh

870
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: that's rough. Yeah, yeah, that's that's not the way the

871
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: meat that you put in your body should ever look. No. No,

872
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: So she does this for weeks, she doesn't say exactly

873
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: how long until it's a pure black sludge. Look at

874
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: this shit, Cova. That looks like oil, that looks like

875
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: just beer, patrol can. I'm gonna tell you this. There

876
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: are certain things that the body does that um that

877
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: hits you in a primal way to tell you it's yeah, okay,

878
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: don't do this. This is a dark tory sludge deaf.

879
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: I'm being honest. It looks like when you have a

880
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: big upper gi bleed and it gets partially digested as

881
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: it moves through your track, it comes out looking like this.

882
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: We call it melana and that's is That is what

883
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: this looks like. Just the look of it is like

884
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: it hits me on the primal level that like my

885
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: brain stores for like the fear of sharks and the

886
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: aliens from Alien you know, this is what this is

887
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: how this hits me. This is not to be consumed. No, no,

888
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: speaking of aliens, this reminds me of the black ooze

889
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: that comes out of the Aliens and the super Soldiers

890
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: and X files like that is the closest, the closest

891
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: thing to this. Um Sophie, can you can you play

892
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: that segment from the video for us? All this is them,

893
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: This is them eating it and they seem as frightened

894
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: as you should be. It's her and her son. Okay,

895
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: so that oh black? Yeah, well that's what they wear

896
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: in all thetis. I don't know, Oh god, the consistency

897
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: of identical. There's a piece of liver oh still has

898
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: all Okay, so there's put that happen. You can have

899
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 1: half hack in her half. Oh that's a lot. That's

900
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: a lot. Who is this kid? Yeah? Your son? Oh?

901
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: Why she making her kids do that? You don't fall

902
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: she can't handle it. Supposed to eat things like this.

903
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: That's horrible. This is a jackass video. Can I stop it?

904
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: And I don't like intertance salt online. It's a great

905
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: This is like what Chuck Grassley Seman looks like. Yeah,

906
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: it does look exactly like I imagine that one time.

907
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: I no, Sophie, I am going to take over though,

908
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: because I want to show you guys some stuff. Because

909
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: I've been I've been doing my digging here, you know,

910
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: as as I'm want to do, and I've been following

911
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: a bunch of different Paleo and primal accounts. So here's one.

912
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: This is a Twitter account Aristo Perp breakfast for winners

913
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: raw heavy cream, fruit and honey, leftover raw ground beef

914
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: with raw eggs. It doesn't look good, um, but at

915
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: least it's fresh. And the next response is him saying,

916
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: a friend convinced me to eat raw rotten meat high

917
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 1: meat yesterday and it actually felt great. Very interesting since

918
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: everyone would think it's crazy and then there's a deleted

919
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: tweet and he posts a picture of the high meat

920
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: that he ate. Oh it's bubble, there's bubbles all over it,

921
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: there's its growth on the meat. It's horrible, so fucking gross. Man,

922
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: that's so fucking I don't understand what they think they're

923
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: getting from this that they could just get from regular meat.

924
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: What about the I mean, could they just not see

925
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: like fermented things that we have made in our nor safe, Like,

926
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: can't they just have like sourkraud? Yeah, it's I think

927
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: a lot of it just comes from these are people

928
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: who are in the kind of fitness and various like

929
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 1: kind of weird specific elimination diet communities. And the more

930
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: you get into that, the more kind of weird stuff

931
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 1: that you'll hear and be willing to try. And it's

932
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: one thing if like you're actually doing your research and

933
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: you're interested in, like, oh, I want to know all

934
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: these different ways people used to ferment weat meat or

935
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: do ferment meat and cultures around the world, but a

936
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: lot of folks aren't doing that. I found this one

937
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: Reddit thread where this guy is talking about his high

938
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: meat diet and people are like he's doing like oysters

939
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 1: like he's letting oysters rot. His goal is to ferment

940
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: shell My goal is to ferment shellfish until it is

941
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: at least one year old. Holy shit, who knows, maybe

942
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: it won't even smell like farts, but to go more tasty.

943
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 1: Oh god, it's horrible. And there's like, huh, I listen,

944
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: I can't explain to you the nasty things that I've

945
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: seen with my job and the unspeakable things I've seen

946
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: in the human body and and done in the human

947
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: body to help people. And this is troubling to me.

948
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: This is this is hard for me. I can do it.

949
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 1: I can do it. You're not gonna I'm not gonna

950
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: tap out. I will not tap out from from these videos.

951
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: But I don't enjoy this. Yeah, it's it's there's a

952
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: lot that's like fucked up about it. At one point,

953
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: someone is like, hey, I'm looking at your I'm looking

954
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: at like what you're doing here, and um, you know,

955
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: I live in Inuit territory and it's never as hot

956
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: as it is where you live here. Like whatever they're

957
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: doing to ferment their mate, it's like sixty at the

958
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: hottest part of the year, So you may not be

959
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: doing it right, and he's like, na, man, the induoud

960
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: have been doing it forever. He just like doesn't listen

961
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: at all. There's another person who responds because they're talking

962
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: about like, well, sam Lanella and batulenum and any coli

963
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: are are faculative anaerobes, so they can't grow when oxygen

964
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: rich air is present, which is why you expose stuff

965
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: to oxygen. And someone responds biochemistry researcher here, this is

966
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: absolutely incorrect. Samonella and E. Coli are faculative anaerobes, but

967
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: this means they grow best with oxygen yet can adapt

968
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: to anaerobic environments. Like there's all of these like and

969
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: hopefully everyone is okay. Hopefully the people doing this don't

970
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: get themselves a year ago, right, Yeah, anything, I didn'tee

971
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: any follow up on that. Yeah, no way to know. Um,

972
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: but I don't know. Don't do this. Don't do this

973
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: is kind of I think we're both Cava and I

974
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: are going to come to at the end of this episode.

975
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 1: We don't agree on much, my friend, you and I, Yeah,

976
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: but this is one thing I think we can both

977
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: agree on. Yeah, I don't know about this. You know.

978
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: The funny thing about all these people this is so

979
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: I've been spending a lot of time sort of like

980
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: diving into medical grifters recently and doing stuff on people

981
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: like doctor bos Here. It's it's always the same concept.

982
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: It's always they start with this very basic premise of

983
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: like health is a choice. I mean, they don't take

984
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: into account of any of the socioeconomic stuff, any of

985
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: the genetic stuff. It's a choice, kind of implying that

986
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, if you're sick, it's your fault. And then

987
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 1: on top of that, there's like they'll polarize foods. They'll

988
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: be like, here are foods that you should eat, Here

989
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: are foods that you should not eat. Here foods that

990
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: are good and food they almost make it like a

991
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: moral thing, like they're good and there's evil foods. And

992
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: they do that. And then the third thing they do

993
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 1: is then they have their supplement that they sell, or

994
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: their scam of their book or their YouTube channel that

995
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: you have to subscribe to. That's how they they monetize it.

996
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, it's always the same thing,

997
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: this polarizing of food and romanticize the past and romanticizing things.

998
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: It's whenever you see the term ancient, it's always it

999
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: is ninety nine at the time, a scam of some sort. Yeah, yeah,

1000
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: it's like you wouldn't Ancient people sometimes were able to

1001
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: take care of they're injured and sick loved ones, and

1002
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: sometimes they beat them to death with rocks or left

1003
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: them to starve because times were tough and that was

1004
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,919
Speaker 1: the best thing that they could do. Right, sh It's tough.

1005
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 1: You know, shit was tougher in the past, and people

1006
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: had to make hard decisions. You wouldn't advocate that because

1007
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: those hard decisions were a necessary part of the survival

1008
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: of our ancestors, that they are good things to do

1009
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: in the modern era, right, because for example, we have

1010
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 1: like splints now, Like you don't have to you don't

1011
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: need to if it's a cold winter and there's not

1012
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 1: enough food. You don't need to club grandpa to death

1013
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: because he breaks his ankle. You know, that's not that

1014
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: that's what everyone did. People went to great lengths to

1015
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: try to save their ones, but hard choices had to

1016
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: be made, and we don't have to make choices like

1017
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: that anymore because we have like stoves and heaters and

1018
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: people who can splint wounds. You know. You know, the

1019
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: whole thing about this doctor and these people eating the

1020
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: fermented foods that they you know, and doing this again.

1021
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: The thing about it is, you know, ten years ago,

1022
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 1: you would have shown me this video and I would

1023
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: have been like, all right, whatever, they're doing it to themselves,

1024
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: let them make themselves sick. Let her do that to

1025
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: her and her son. We I mean, who cares. If

1026
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't kill them, then you know whatever. But you know,

1027
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,240
Speaker 1: the truth of it is, like all this pseudoscience stuff

1028
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: now more than ever after the last four or five years,

1029
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: I realize that it's all contributing to our society getting

1030
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: much worse. It's all all this stuff is incrementally making

1031
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: people trust real science less. It's making people not clear

1032
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: about what is real and not real when it comes

1033
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: to things like say the vaccine, and people have a

1034
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: harder time making the right decision when it comes to

1035
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: things that are really important. So and yes, also the

1036
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 1: our dangerous too to do these things. There's parasites, there's

1037
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 1: bacteria and all this stuff. But this stuff all makes

1038
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: me so mad. Now. It didn't used to bother me

1039
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: that much. I used to just laugh about it, and

1040
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 1: now it makes me just actually kind of angry. Whenever

1041
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: I see this nonsense. I mean, the liver king is

1042
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: a weird one too, like his I'm not entirely sure

1043
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: what his thinking is, but like it's almost like implied,

1044
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 1: like you eat the balls of a bull, you get

1045
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: the strength of the bull. You eat the liver, it'll

1046
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: make your liver stronger. You eat the brain, you'll make

1047
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: your brain. It's like this weird homeopathy like cures like

1048
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: sort of thing which has been disproven. And again it's

1049
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: just it's perpetuating this this faulty science at best, I'll

1050
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: call it faulty science. But it's all like a grift,

1051
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: and it all contributes to basically the collapse of our society.

1052
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: It makes me upset. And I think what you're saying, Kava,

1053
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: is that we need about sixty volunteers that because we're scientists,

1054
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: we're going to do a double blind. So thirty of

1055
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: you fill a tacoma bed with a metal top with

1056
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: hot dogs and butter or cream and just let it

1057
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: sit for three months and then eat all of it.

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Speaker 1: And then the other thirty of you, around October just

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Speaker 1: buy a fresh tacoma full of hot dogs and butter

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Speaker 1: and eat it all fresh, and then we'll see who's healthiest,

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Speaker 1: and that'll let us know if this is a good idea.

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Speaker 1: It's randomized, it's I don't know if we could double

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Speaker 1: blind it because we might have to figure out, like

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Speaker 1: how to hide the smell and the stench. But I

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Speaker 1: feel like we have a trial here. I feel like

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Speaker 1: there is something we could do. There's something we could

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Speaker 1: work with here. Now, you don't hide the stench. You

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Speaker 1: just get like a decal that says work truck and

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Speaker 1: stick it on the side. People won't ask questions. Nobody,

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Speaker 1: nobody's going to ask questions. There's no good smelling Tacomas. Well, everyone, uh,

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Speaker 1: sign up to volunteer for our our Tacoma High hot

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Speaker 1: Dog challenge to see if it's good to eat hot

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Speaker 1: dogs that have been left in the back of a

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Speaker 1: Tacoma Um, well, we'll do a science altogether. Endorsed by

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Speaker 1: doctor Cava Jota. Yeah, sure, sure. It's the end of

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Speaker 1: the world anyway, so why not might as well m

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Speaker 1: Maybe this will help us survive the end of the world.

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Speaker 1: Maybe this is what makes us not need water, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: enough Tacoma hot dogs and we could make it possible

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Speaker 1: for people to survive in Arizona again. Yeah, it's like

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Speaker 1: the terrigen mist. You'll survive it and be stronger or

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Speaker 1: you won't. Yeah, yeah, one way or the other. Look,

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Speaker 1: there's only one way to find out. Do you have

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Speaker 1: any place that people can find you online? M on

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Speaker 1: the Twitter find me at the House of Pod Twitter

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Speaker 1: and listen to my podcast where we talk about things

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Speaker 1: like medical drifters and we'll talk about other medical fun

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Speaker 1: stuff and then sometimes not such medical fun stuff. It's

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Speaker 1: called the House of Pods podcast. Listen to it where

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Speaker 1: you listen to the podcasts. That's it. That is it. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Kaba, thank you for being there with me

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Speaker 1: and the live show, going into the field with me

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Speaker 1: to fight the liver King and all of these other

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Speaker 1: silly people. There for you, buddy, Yeah yeah, Well, and

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Speaker 1: I'm there for you all next week, but not anymore

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Speaker 1: this week because we're done for the week. Goodbye bye.

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