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Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty and relationships. It's The Velvet's

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Speaker 1: Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson.

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Speaker 2: Avi Sherbel Sound Healer is here. And you just asked

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Speaker 2: me how did you get interested in this sound healing

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Speaker 2: at all? And yeah, I'm gonna tell the quick story

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Speaker 2: because I want to talk about when I found your Instagram.

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Speaker 2: But I've basically done a lot of different healing work

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Speaker 2: and that's basically what this podcast is too, as I

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Speaker 2: talk to different facilitators and I love to show people

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Speaker 2: all of the different options that we have available to

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Speaker 2: us to help ourselves heal, you know, without throwing a

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Speaker 2: pill at it or actually doing the deep dive to

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Speaker 2: rewire our nervous systems and things like that. And so

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Speaker 2: sound healing was introduced to me a couple of years

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Speaker 2: ago just in sound baths during certain therapeutic things I

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Speaker 2: would be doing, like an intensive or different breathwork. Facilitators

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Speaker 2: that I saw and introduced me with different different sounds,

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Speaker 2: and then recently I have just really been way more

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Speaker 2: into it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I start my morning every day with the five two

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Speaker 2: eight frequency and it just really has changed a lot

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Speaker 2: in my life. And just like we always say our

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Speaker 2: phones are stalking us. My phone and my Instagram served

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Speaker 2: me your page about a month ago, and I just

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Speaker 2: think you're doing such a good job of explaining to

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Speaker 2: the people, the listeners, everyone, the benefits of these different

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Speaker 2: sound frequencies. And so as I went on a deetav

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Speaker 2: on your page and you talk about addiction, which is

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Speaker 2: something I talk about a lot too, and just healing

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Speaker 2: in general, and so I am so excited. That was

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Speaker 2: the long winded way to say, I'm so excited to

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Speaker 2: have you here and really break down the ways that

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Speaker 2: sounds and frequencies and vibrations can help us all heal.

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Speaker 2: So I want to let's get started that way. How

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Speaker 2: did you get into the sound healing world and business

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Speaker 2: and how has it impacted your life?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, great question. And I got started in the sound

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Speaker 4: healing journey first with being introduced to music and the

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Speaker 4: love of music. And so for a long time I

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Speaker 4: was working in music, you know, as first a teenager

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Speaker 4: obviously just experiencing a love of music. And then I

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Speaker 4: started to be in bands, and then I started to create,

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Speaker 4: and I went to school for music and then cut

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Speaker 4: you know, ten years later, and I was working in

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Speaker 4: music working in production. And the beautiful thing about music

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Speaker 4: is obviously we all know it's cathartic, it's emotional. It

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Speaker 4: makes you cry, it makes you dance, it makes you happy.

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Speaker 4: That is different from sound, where is more about pure vibrations. Right,

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Speaker 4: They actually say the differences with music, it's organized by patterns,

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Speaker 4: and sound is just vibrational patterns. Okay, So with music

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Speaker 4: you get da da da da, and it's much more organized.

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Speaker 4: There's layers to it, there's melody, there's rhythm, and so

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Speaker 4: I always had this love of music. But early life

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Speaker 4: I grew up very religious and went to religious schools.

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Speaker 4: My dad was a rabbi, so I grew up in

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Speaker 4: like this orthodox Jewish world that you know, of course

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of hypocrisy, a lot of duality, a

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Speaker 4: lot of seeing one thing but then hearing another. And

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Speaker 4: like the family that has it all together, the pulpit

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Speaker 4: there is a lot of verbal abuse going on, and

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Speaker 4: And so at a certain point when I was working

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Speaker 4: unhealthy relationships, unhealthy work dynamics. Things were going well externally,

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Speaker 4: but internally, my quality of life was poor. It was

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Speaker 4: student is ready, the teacher appears. Somebody brought me to

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Speaker 4: a healing session with just sound, just pure vibration, and

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Speaker 4: I was just like mind blown, couldn't believe. How had

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Speaker 4: I never come across this, But I think it was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that you have a background of music.

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Speaker 2: I obviously work in the music industry too, and so

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Speaker 3: You feel something. Right.

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Speaker 2: It's such the thing that people say, it's like, oh

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Speaker 2: that song, I love that song most of the time.

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Speaker 2: The reason we love the songs we love is because

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Speaker 2: they're shifting something within us. So what is the difference.

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Speaker 2: You say that just the music is more like organized

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Speaker 2: sound in all these different ways, but then this sound

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Speaker 2: frequency and sound healing is a little bit different. Can

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Speaker 2: you talk a little bit about why.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, So with music, you have a melody, you

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Speaker 4: music producers who are putting eqs and compressors, so they're

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Speaker 4: limiting the frequencies and so it's not as pure okay,

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Speaker 4: just the pure energy of it. Yeah, the same experience

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Speaker 4: is when you're hearing just a tuning fork. You're hearing

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Speaker 4: just a crystal bowl. It is just that pure tonal sound.

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Speaker 4: There isn't anything on it, unless of course it's recorded.

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Speaker 4: And so when you're using that as a means of communication,

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Speaker 4: it conveys a different message. You know, it would be

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Speaker 4: like ten people talking to you versus a single voice.

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Speaker 4: You know, you're hearing a lot of different things at once.

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Speaker 4: You're trying to make sense of a lot of information

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Speaker 4: with a melody with a rhythm. And also the intention

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Speaker 4: behind it is different, you know, the intention with most music. Yes,

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Speaker 4: there is the release that makes you feel good, but

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Speaker 4: a lot of it is to entertain, you know, right, yeah,

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Speaker 4: And if you look at just that, you know that's

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Speaker 4: only a certain hundreds years old, this idea of an

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Speaker 4: sound as a way to resonate with each other, as

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Speaker 4: with the intention of harmonizing either the collective or a

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, so I'm sure some people are listening and

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Speaker 2: they're like, Okay, you like because you know, I have

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Speaker 2: you know, I talk about psilocybin trips and like all

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Speaker 2: these different things that a lot of my listeners are like, Okay, Kelly,

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Speaker 2: Like you've really like gone to some deep end here.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is crazy, and how is sound gonna

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Speaker 2: make anything in my body different? But what I love about,

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Speaker 2: like what I discovered on your page. You talk so

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Speaker 2: clearly about this to people, about how everything happening in

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Speaker 2: our world is based on a vibration, right, and you

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Speaker 2: like animals and plants, they instinctively are constant. They're just

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Speaker 2: speak a little more to that, because I'm sure I'm

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Speaker 2: butchering it. But like, how is it actually that sound

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Speaker 2: is impacting our bodies in a way to shift either

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Speaker 2: physiological parts of that. And why do we as humans

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Speaker 2: where do we miss this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I mean, so what we share with animals

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Speaker 4: engagement system. We share a similar nervous system, right, Okay,

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Speaker 4: there are some differences, but you know, if you ever

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Speaker 3: You know, it's totally Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It allows for us to be on computers right now

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Speaker 4: humans do. It also, though, keeps us in a state

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Speaker 4: that was a much bigger part of life. And so, yes,

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Speaker 4: we are in these comfortable rooms talking on microphones, but

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Speaker 3: Back to their herd, what wouldn't that be nice?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if any of the therapy industries

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Speaker 4: so in that way, all of these experiences get stored

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Speaker 4: a little farther than that, it gets stored in our

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Speaker 4: energy field. Okay, So there's something that's extending about sick,

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Speaker 4: like two arms length outside of us that is like

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Speaker 4: standing sound waves. It is carrying all of the information

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Speaker 4: of our life. And that is why we always talk

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Speaker 4: about somebody having good or bad vibrations. Right, Oh, yeah,

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Speaker 4: such good vibes. You don't actually see anything, but you're

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Speaker 4: experiencing something vibrationally that makes you feel like you are

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Speaker 4: Most of us don't have the tools or the language

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And a lot of this is coming from

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I love too. That.

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Speaker 2: So the reason I'm so drawn we kind of touched

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go have a drink, or go get in another

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00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: relationship so you don't have to grieve that last one.

434
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 2: And I know you've I've seen some posts you've done

435
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: about this as well. You actually said in a caption

436
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: that seventy percent of Americans are on a pill of

437
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: some sort to cure a symptom of some like whatever,

438
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 2: but we don't ever or seems like a lot of

439
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: people don't go to address the root cause. And to me,

440
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: these kind of modalities start with the root, like getting

441
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: in touch with your body, why am I feeling this way?

442
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 2: Like where did this come from? And being in touch

443
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: enough to know to have the awareness when you're going

444
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 2: throughout your day when that gets off and off base.

445
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 2: So can you talk a little bit to that, Like

446
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: what do you see in our society that's just completely

447
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: missing in the healing world?

448
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 4: Oh boy, big question. I mean so many directions you

449
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 4: can go, yeah, And I mean this is like really

450
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 4: what kind of gets me fired up in a good

451
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 4: anthy Yeah, I get like so activated I find over

452
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 4: these topics and sometimes engaging with people you know, and

453
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 4: I think what part of it is is a lot

454
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 4: of our culture, just like in the medical space, is

455
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 4: based off of Newtonian physics, which is like we only

456
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 4: prescribe or only validate anything that can be measured, you know.

457
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 4: And so if I take this thing, then measurably the

458
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 4: symptoms stop, you know, and great, the symptoms stopped, you know,

459
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 4: And like you're quoting, like yes, seventy percent of Americans

460
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 4: aren't at least one prescription drug. That is bonkers to me,

461
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 4: you know, like, how is that even possible? And then

462
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 4: as we get older, more and more prescription drugs, you know.

463
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 2: And you have to take one to get rid of

464
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 2: the other symptoms that the one the other one brings in.

465
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 2: So it's just like you keep just adding more.

466
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 4: To the table, yeah, exactly. And so all that we're

467
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 4: doing in those moments is we're quieting the symptoms, right,

468
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 4: you know. But then if you stop taking the drug,

469
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 4: well then they're right back, you know, So did you

470
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 4: even do anything? And all you're kind of doing is

471
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 4: just taking a vocation away from the symptoms. And we

472
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 4: like quick fixes, and so we take it and we're

473
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 4: not experiencing the symptoms. But Yeah, in terms of healing,

474
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 4: the differences out of the Western model, which is looking

475
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 4: at you know, you have this with your shoulder. What

476
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 4: can we prescribe you, what do you need to take?

477
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 4: What surgeries do you need? Whereas more of the Eastern

478
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 4: approach is taking in the entire person, you know, taking

479
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 4: in what is what energy is flowing or not flowing

480
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 4: through the body. What are emotional experiences that you're going

481
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 4: through that could be contributing to that. Where are those

482
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 4: emotions coming from? You know, somebody's saying that, you know,

483
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm really depressed. Naturally, we're going to prescribe

484
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 4: you an antidepressant instead of asking what is going on

485
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 4: in your life? You know, what are you going through?

486
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 4: What are some of the things that you're facing right now?

487
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 4: What is your sleep? Like? You know, what is your

488
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 4: what is your health? What are your eating habits? You know,

489
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 4: none of not usually, none of those things are being asked.

490
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 4: And so we've created this culture that is addicted. You know,

491
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 4: we are addicted. Like the number one killer of men

492
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 4: eighteen to forty five right now is fentanyl, right, and

493
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 4: you don't see that being talked about, I mean, not

494
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 4: nearly enough, right, and I've seen just like boys men

495
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 4: my age, go from using vic it in and oxyconton

496
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 4: two then establishing like an addiction to harder, harder drugs.

497
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 4: And you could say, well, they have a problem or

498
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 4: you know, the AA model is usually that it's you know,

499
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 4: it's an allergy of the body, it's an obsession of

500
00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:00,239
Speaker 4: the mind, and there's a certain chemical wiring. But all so,

501
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 4: what's going on is the environment that they're in. Also,

502
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 4: what's going on is their internal life. And like I

503
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 4: was saying, from their developmental years, they learn, oh, this

504
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 4: is how I soothe myself, you know, this is how

505
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 4: I feel okay, this is how I feel balanced. And

506
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 4: then things get wired and suddenly you have a habit,

507
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 4: Suddenly you have a pattern, and then you identify as

508
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 4: your habits as your pattern. Like yeah, like like you're saying,

509
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, I just like to get a little crazy,

510
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, so I can't drink now, you know,

511
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 4: it's like right, you know, but all of these aren't

512
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 4: stemming from yeah, I like to have a good time.

513
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 4: I'm just a little wild. No, there's something that you've

514
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 4: gone through that you've experienced that wasn't addressed. It wasn't integrated,

515
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 4: and now you've created an identity based off of that

516
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 4: as opposed to what is really going on. Like they

517
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 4: say with drugs, drugs are never the problem. They're the

518
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 4: solution to the problem. So it's like, once you are

519
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 4: able to access the pain, then you're better able to

520
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 4: understand it. And in order to get to the pain,

521
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 4: you have to get to the root cause of something,

522
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 4: but we don't hold that up as an important part

523
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 4: in the journey. And so you get seventy percent of

524
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 4: Americans on at least one prescription drug.

525
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: Well, and so much.

526
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: This one gets me fired up too, so I'll just

527
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: go on my little rant for a second. But like

528
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: with the addiction piece specifically, yes, I think that some

529
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: look more hardcore than others. But I love that you

530
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: were saying, like so much of our society is addicted,

531
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: because I really do believe that it's just that some

532
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: things are more acceptable, like binging Netflix is an acceptable

533
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: you know, quote unquote medicator, or working too much or

534
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: all these other things that we do to make ourselves

535
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: feel better, bouncing from one relationship to a next to

536
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: the next, and it's like all of the things are

537
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: still this avoidance piece of dealing with the root, and

538
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: we're just looking for the thing to make us less

539
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: uncomfortable without actually addressing what's going on. And so the

540
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: chase is gonna be constant. It's gonna be one pill

541
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: to the next pill. It's going to be vicotin to heroin,

542
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: you know, like you're constantly having to upgrade because you've

543
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: got a numb with something more hardcore. This is my

544
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 2: belief and so to take it back to sound, I

545
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: have found in my personal life like getting in touch

546
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: with my own body and asking myself simple questions like

547
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: what's happening, or like if I'm feeling anxious, like talking

548
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: to my anxiety, you know, like, hey, anxiety, I feel you.

549
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: What are you trying to tell me today? That kind

550
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: of stuff, which sounds silly to some people, but it's

551
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: been so helpful in my journey of actually understanding where

552
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: all the feelings are coming from or where all the

553
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: things so I don't have to go run out. I mean,

554
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: of course I sti't want to everyone like it's just easy.

555
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: It seems easier sometimes, but if you're committed to a

556
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: path of healing for like a future of happiness and stuff,

557
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: it does seem like some of these modalities of really

558
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: getting in touch with your body, like really facing the

559
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: pain of the trauma or whatever it is you went through,

560
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: are ultimately going to be more helpful in our lives.

561
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And I think the body part is super important.

562
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 4: You know. I think we weren't trained in society how

563
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 4: to listen to our bodies and what our bodies are

564
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 4: telling us. I think we are mostly taught how to

565
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 4: judge our bodies, you know, totally. Yes, you know, it's

566
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 4: like I'm too I'm too fat, I'm too skinny, I'm

567
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 4: too tall, too short, my hair's like this, my hair's

568
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 4: not like that, you know, And so we're really accustomed

569
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 4: to the critical, you know, being critical of our bodies.

570
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 4: And I think what we're not as accustomed to, which

571
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 4: is probably like the number one place to start, is

572
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 4: really learning to listen to the to your body, listening

573
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 4: to the impulses that your body is needing to get up,

574
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 4: your body is needing to move, you know, sometimes something

575
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 4: as simple as like I'm seeing at a computer and

576
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 4: I need to go use the bathroom. But I'm just

577
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 4: gonna like keep on typing away. But now I'm going

578
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 4: to get up. You know, I'm going to kind of

579
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 4: move a bit slower today because my body's asking me to.

580
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 4: And so, you know, just that piece alone is so foundational,

581
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 4: and you know none of us were taught that, so it's.

582
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, so much of what we're talking about

583
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: with the body goes back into like feeling, and so

584
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: can you talk a little bit about when you're doing

585
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: like a sound healing session. I want to explain to

586
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: the listeners. Maybe some listeners have never even done a

587
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: sound bath or heard of this or anything like that,

588
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 2: but do you remember.

589
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: What you felt like?

590
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 2: You mentioned the moment earlier when you said, you know,

591
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: whenever you're ready, it seems to come to your life.

592
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: And so do you remember the first time you were

593
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: exposed to was it a sound bath or the different

594
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: frequencies and what that felt like?

595
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, of course. You know I at that time,

596
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 4: I was living in a sober living. I was trying

597
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 4: to get my life together, and I was trying to

598
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 4: figure things out for myself. And you know, when you

599
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 4: first get sober, you're socially so awkward, like you're so

600
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 4: your head and it's like, oh my god, why did

601
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 4: I say that? Like, yeah, not my best moment, you know,

602
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 4: and so you're constantly just you know. In part of

603
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 4: that also is just neurologically, your brain waves are moving

604
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 4: quicker than they would normally. You're in what's called like

605
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 4: a high beta brainwave activity because it's kind of having

606
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 4: to rewire, you know. And and so it's very normal

607
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 4: in that state, Like I hear it all the time

608
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 4: from people dealing with addiction, where it's like I'm future tripping,

609
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 4: I'm ruminating over the past, like my mind is just

610
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 4: moving so quickly, you know. And so that was kind

611
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 4: of my experience. And then when I came into the

612
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 4: session where the person was using the sound healing, first off,

613
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 4: I just am like very quickly felt my anxiety levels

614
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 4: go down and I started to have greater clarity around

615
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 4: things of like I felt like I was like processing

616
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 4: things at a really quick speed, like and I want

617
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 4: to do this, and I'm like going to do this,

618
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 4: and it was like I was making these to do lists,

619
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 4: but it was really what I was wanting for myself.

620
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 4: It was probably like some subconscious stuff, yeah, And it

621
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 4: was like I'm wanting to do this, I'm wanting to

622
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 4: do that. And I think when you move into those states,

623
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 4: like they say, in those beta brain wave activities, like

624
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 4: when you are in more of an awake an alert state,

625
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 4: there's a lot of emotional interferences. You know, there's your

626
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 4: life that's kind of getting in the way and all

627
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 4: of the things. When you go into that dream like state,

628
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 4: when you drop down, you move out of the rational

629
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 4: mind and a lot of your conscious defenses come down

630
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 4: and you move into you know, like more angelic thoughts,

631
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 4: these like higher wavelengths of thinking of like who am

632
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 4: I actually what am I actually wanting for myself? And

633
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 4: so you're moving out of some of those things that

634
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 4: you identify with and into these deeper aspects of yourself.

635
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 4: And I just felt that I felt like I was

636
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 4: moving into these deeper parts of myself and what I

637
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 4: was wanting. And then I came out and I just

638
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 4: felt like my body was so relaxed, you know. I

639
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 4: was like, Wow, my body just feels so calm, you know,

640
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 4: and I just feel feel so loose, like I'm not

641
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 4: tight in the areas that I was. I'm not as tense.

642
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 4: And I of course didn't understand any of this at

643
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 4: the time, but I was experiencing a slow down feeling

644
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 4: of safety in my body, and I was able to

645
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 4: engage with myself in a compassionate and curious way. So

646
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 4: I think that was my first experience of it.

647
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: And so what does a sound bath look like for

648
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: listeners who are like, Okay, that sounds cool, OVI, But

649
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: like what do I do?

650
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: Where do I start?

651
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 5: Like?

652
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 3: What is it?

653
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: Can you talk about like the bulls people might use,

654
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: or the different frequency tones or things like that.

655
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, of course, can I ask you a question before?

656
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 3: Of course?

657
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 4: What was your first experience with it? Like if you

658
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 4: can remember.

659
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 2: Oh god, mine's so emotional. Actually, So the first time

660
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: I ever did a sound a friend of mine got

661
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: a sound healer to come to her house and it

662
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: was like five or six of my friends and I

663
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: and you know, one of the people fell asleep and

664
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: then another one just was like antsy, and I had

665
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: the biggest emotional release And that was not surprising to

666
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: any of my friends. I'm a big feeler and so,

667
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: and I'm also not scared to just like feel out

668
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: loud like whatever it is, I can't really control.

669
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 3: It, it just happened.

670
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: So I yeah, I had a lot of moments where

671
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: with different frequencies or different it was with she was

672
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: using healing bowls or you might you can probably explain

673
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: better what that is to people. But like certain ones

674
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: of the tones, I would feel my entire body just vibrate,

675
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: like actually feel like I was almost not electrocuted and

676
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: being electrocuted in like a harsh way, but almost like

677
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: it was like I'd stuck my finger in a like

678
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: a light socket, you know, and it was like it

679
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: almost felt like it was just waking up parts of

680
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: me that had been asleep or maybe my whole life,

681
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. And then there would be other sounds

682
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: that I would just like start crying, and I wouldn't

683
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: know why it wasn't anything that she was doing or

684
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: that the noise specifically seemed like it would do to anyone,

685
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 2: because it wasn't happening to my friends. But I just

686
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: think I had so much bottled up that I needed

687
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: to release, and so that that tone, whatever it was,

688
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: which just helped me to get to that place, you know,

689
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: because a lot of times I feel like we're taught

690
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 2: almost don't cry or don't release, and so, like you said,

691
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: it just gets stored in our bodies. And I think

692
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: I had so much of that from over the years

693
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: of feeling like no, I've got to be strong or yes,

694
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: I'm feeling all these things, but I'm gonna stuff it.

695
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: And yeah, it was just really helpful to me. And

696
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: then I mentioned, you know how I use it now

697
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 2: and sometimes I just google my symptoms with sound healing

698
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: like noise, like I'm like anxious sound frequency and that's

699
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 2: what I listened to you or to know the number,

700
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: you know. And it really is interesting because I can

701
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: just have it on in the background, even like doing

702
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: stuff around my house, and before I know it, something

703
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: has passed or I just feel physically different, and it's harder.

704
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: It's hard to know how to explain it other than that.

705
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: But yeah, my first experience, I remember leaving and being

706
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: like that was the best thing I ever did. That

707
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 2: was amazing, Like I want to do it again, you know.

708
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: It was just so great.

709
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and I think the best things in life

710
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 4: you almost can't explain, Like that's true. Yeah, you know,

711
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 4: it's as soon as you start to explain it, you're like.

712
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 3: That sounds crazy.

713
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: I feel that way every time I do a podcast.

714
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: So I'm like, oh my god, there was this experience

715
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: and I know It sounds crazy to listeners, but try it.

716
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 4: Like I was electrocuted and it was the best thing ever,

717
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 4: and I just want to keep feeling.

718
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 3: That, right, That's why I wanted to backtrack. It didn't

719
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 3: feel bad, you guys want.

720
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: It was like just every part of my body, Like

721
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: when I say waking up is there's no other explanation

722
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 2: than that, because it just I felt tingly everywhere and

723
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 2: I was so aware of my shoulder or my finger,

724
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: you know, like things that I just don't pay attention

725
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: to on the regular. It like that sound awakened something

726
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: that made me feel every piece of my body like

727
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: a vibration.

728
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing, And you know, I think touching

729
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 4: on something you said. I was talking a lot about

730
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 4: the body and the nervous system, but at a deeper level,

731
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 4: it is really us awakening. It's like waking up to

732
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 4: who we actually are, like in this life, you know,

733
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 4: And I think we don't have a lot of moments

734
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 4: where we can kind of make contact with that part

735
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 4: of us of like who am I actually like away

736
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 4: from all the things that I'm doing and these parts

737
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 4: that I identify with as like my name is this

738
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 4: and I live here and I do this. It's like,

739
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 4: you know, that's a layer of who you are, you know, right,

740
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 4: But whether we want to or not, there will come

741
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 4: a time where we're going to shed that, you know,

742
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 4: and we're going to turn into something else. And so

743
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 4: when we go into sound, we go into that really

744
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 4: deep aspect of who we are. You know. It's like

745
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 4: that place we come from before we got into this

746
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 4: body and the place we're going to after we leave

747
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 4: this body. And I feel like we have those moments

748
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 4: with that, and yeah, it has these effects on the

749
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 4: nervous system and on the brain, but it's also touching

750
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 4: this really deep part of us that we can't even

751
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 4: fully explain, you know, in terms of what is a

752
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 4: sound bath though, you know, a sound bath is it's

753
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 4: an experienced design to put the body and the brain

754
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 4: into a relaxed state. Okay, and you are bathed in sound,

755
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 4: I mean that is the term. Like a sound bath.

756
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 4: You are bathed in different sounds. And so some of

757
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 4: the sounds that people use are the sounds coming from

758
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 4: crystal bowls. Part of why crystal bowls I think are

759
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 4: so popular and you know, are so impactful is quarts,

760
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 4: which is what the bulls are made of it's like

761
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 4: a crushed quartz essentially, So the crushed quartz quartz is

762
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 4: at its fundamental level water and then because it gets

763
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 4: trapped under earth and pressure heat in time, it crystallizes.

764
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 4: Most of our body is of a watery substance, right,

765
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 4: and so our lungs, our skin, our bones, all of

766
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 4: these parts are kind of watery by nature. And so

767
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 4: when we take in sound that's coming from essentially water

768
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 4: and it's going into us, which is essentially water, it's

769
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 4: like vibrating water going to vibrating water almost. It has

770
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 4: this real immediate effect at harmonizing and rebalancing and restructuring

771
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 4: these part of us, these parts of us that have

772
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 4: been stressed, that are unhealthy, that are holding onto patterns,

773
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 4: and so we release these patterns and it harmonizes our celves,

774
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 4: our bloodstream. You know, I post on my Instagram like

775
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 4: it shows sometimes your blood even after an hour of sound,

776
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 4: starts to actually like detox parasites start to leave, right.

777
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 4: And so it's not just some like wu out there

778
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 4: idea really grounded studies on these concepts and what it's

779
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 4: doing to our brain waves. And so when we take

780
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 4: in sound, it usually starts off with a meditation, and

781
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 4: the meditation allows us to be more intentional with what

782
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 4: we are wanting from that space from that time. And

783
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 4: then once we're able to do that, we usually do

784
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 4: some breathing a light body meditation to just bring us

785
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 4: more into our body or more into the intention of

786
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 4: that space of that time. And then we go into

787
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 4: the sound, which allows us to process things at a

788
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 4: cellular level, really, and so it's releasing different chemicals in

789
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 4: the body and we're syncing up with the vibration and

790
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 4: so it's really gentle and really passive, really impactful, and

791
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 4: sometimes it takes us a while to even process what

792
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 4: has happened, you know, because we're just laying down and

793
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 4: receiving it. And so, yeah, they use crystal bowls, they'll

794
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 4: use gongs, they'll use chimes, they'll use different sounds to

795
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 4: elicit different responses. Some sounds are deeper, and deeper sounds

796
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 4: tend to bring us more into our body. Some sounds

797
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 4: are lighter and airer, and they tend to create more

798
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 4: more of lightness or alertness in the mind. And it's

799
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 4: almost like sounds are Some sounds are like the meat

800
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 4: and potatoes of it. And other sounds are like palate cleanser.

801
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 4: You know, it's like, yeah, you know, it's like frozen

802
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 4: grapes after a meal or something. So you know, they

803
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 4: they're creating these different responses, and at the end of it,

804
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 4: the brain waves have kind of gone through a series

805
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 4: of different states. The body has released these different stressors

806
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 4: and tensions that it's been holding on too, and I

807
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 4: think we start to feel a little bit more like

808
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 4: who we actually are, away from the stress, away from

809
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 4: you know, some of the overwhelmed that we deal with.

810
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: I love that we start to feel like who we

811
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: actually are. I mean, sounds really simple, but I actually

812
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: think that it's pretty rare these days to actually feel that.

813
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's the important part is at the

814
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 4: end of it, it's like how do you actually feel

815
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 4: about yourself?

816
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 3: You know?

817
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 4: And and you know, sometimes like we're talking about, you're

818
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 4: you're addicted to this, you're putting this, you're avoiding this,

819
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 4: you're distracting yourself, and sometimes we even get rewarded for it.

820
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 4: You know. Sometimes, like I hear this a lot with addiction,

821
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 4: is like everything was going well, my job was going

822
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 4: even better than it had been, so you get rewarded

823
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 4: for it. But the question is like, what is the

824
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 4: quality of your life? How do you feel about yourself?

825
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 4: You know, when you're alone at night, how do you feel?

826
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 4: You know, it's like and I think when you when

827
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 4: you go through sound, you're able to achieve this inner quiet,

828
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 4: this inner peace that Yeah, it allows you to see like, wow,

829
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 4: there's a there's a quieter, simpler, more peaceful version of

830
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 4: me out there.

831
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: What's the craziest thing that you've seen in healing with sound?

832
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,479
Speaker 2: Like whether it was with you yourself or with other

833
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 2: people that you've worked with, Like what would listeners think

834
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 2: was like undoable by sound?

835
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 3: But you've seen it happen.

836
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 4: Good question.

837
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 3: Thank you.

838
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 4: Putting me on the spot.

839
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm like, now I feel like I should play

840
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 3: the Jeopardy music.

841
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 4: You know. I think I think one of the things

842
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 4: that I've seen a number of times is people trying

843
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 4: to process something at a cognitive level with the years

844
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 4: of therapy, and as impactful as that can be to

845
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 4: create a relationship with your past or create a relationship

846
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 4: with like a pattern that you keep on seeing. Part

847
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 4: of what that misses out on is it's just cognitive.

848
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 4: You know. You notice the pattern. Okay, I see myself

849
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 4: doing it, but you'll usually repeat it, you know, because

850
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 4: it's just happening in the mind, and we need to

851
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 4: have that release, We need to kind of have that

852
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 4: processing at the somatic level, at the bodily level. And

853
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 4: so I've seen where people through, you know, cause I

854
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 4: incorporate breath work a lot with my own work, and

855
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 4: so I've seen through breathing and then sound and the intention,

856
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 4: people release and get clarity on things that years of

857
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 4: therapy weren't able to. And I've seen like, so one case,

858
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 4: without getting too into it, somebody was wanting to leave

859
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 4: their partner for years but wasn't able to kind of

860
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 4: navigate it and kept on kind of telling themselves like, no,

861
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 4: this is something that could be worked on, but there

862
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 4: was just unhealthy dynamics. And that week after the healing

863
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 4: session that we did, she left her part and she

864
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 4: left her husband, and you know, I know, like in

865
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 4: contact and I just like watch her stuff and she's

866
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 4: like shed like thirty pounds, changed her whole life around.

867
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 4: Is just like like I was saying, who she actually

868
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 4: is away from that pain and away from these things

869
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 4: that are not serving you. They are not helping you.

870
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 4: But because we're we were only able to process things

871
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,479
Speaker 4: at the cognitive level, will continue to use the mind

872
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 4: to create reasons why I should stay in it, you know,

873
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 4: because we like to stay in safe situations, even if

874
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 4: they are uncomfortable, even if they're terrible.

875
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: They're familiar though a lot a lot of times, yeah,

876
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 3: it we.

877
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 4: Choose a familiar hell over an unfamiliar heaven, you know, right,

878
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 4: because our bodies attracted to that. Are you know these patterns,

879
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 4: So yeah, like different situations like that, I would say

880
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 4: are probably the most incredible. And then I think just

881
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 4: like the craziest was I think it would just be

882
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 4: seeing people kind of get into these like it's funny

883
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 4: you were seeing electrocute. I've seen people where it look

884
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 4: like they're being shocked almost you know, where like a

885
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 4: part of their body is just kind of like convulsing

886
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 4: a little bit, and there's usually a lot of tension,

887
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 4: there's a lot of like store trauma in that area,

888
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 4: and then in that moment they are having a really

889
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 4: huge release of that. It's not usually the case, you know,

890
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 4: but I've seen that where it's like this huge release

891
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 4: where it's it's not seeing the body's convulsing and then

892
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 4: they're crying, and then they look like they just you know,

893
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 4: it became like five years younger, like just their whole faith.

894
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, uh, the way was just dropped.

895
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.

896
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: Oh, I have so many thoughts on that, but I

897
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 2: know we're running out of time. I want you guys, well,

898
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 2: I just I was I was thinking. I was thinking

899
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: about that when I was crying. I think because I

900
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 2: think crying is like a release as well, and it's

901
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 2: just the way that my body seems.

902
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 3: To process it. But that is what it was. It

903
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 3: was like this.

904
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 2: Uncontrollable something had tapped into this certain part of my body.

905
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 2: And I wonder do different sounds do that or is

906
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: it just that they're tapping into different traumas, or like

907
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 2: why is that working?

908
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I mean so, like I was saying, we

909
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 4: have so many frequencies moving through us at one time, Okay,

910
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 4: I find it a little hard to say, like this

911
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 4: exact vibration is going to have this exact effect. Yeah,

912
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 4: even the I'll go into a couple of directions with it.

913
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 4: I'll come back to that. With that said, one of

914
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 4: the ways, and there's some great head talks on this

915
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 4: and Royal Rife, who somebody I like love and was

916
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 4: not believed he did heal people of different cancers using sound,

917
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 4: and then the medical establishment tried to shut him down.

918
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 4: He went to the Supreme Court and won against the

919
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 4: FDA all of these crazy things. And he was using vibrations,

920
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 4: like almost one hundred years ago, was using vibration to

921
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 4: heal people of cancer. And then his laboratory was broken

922
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 4: into his microscopes were, you know, and his whole his

923
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 4: whole life was kind of decimated, became an alcoholic, all

924
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 4: of these things. And so his form, which still is

925
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 4: carried over in certain ways, is where we'll use certain

926
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 4: frequencies because he found that, for instance, cancer or Alzheimer's

927
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 4: or different things, there's a certain vibration that those cancer

928
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 4: cells are operating at. And if you can meet that

929
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 4: exact vibration. Let's just say it's like nine hundred herts

930
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,240
Speaker 4: that you have a cancer cell. So if you play

931
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 4: nine hundred herts to the cancer cell, it's going to

932
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 4: blast apart the cancer cell because you're meeting that vibration

933
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 4: with another vibration. And then it's like a singer when

934
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 4: they're singing and then the glass breaks, Yeah, because you're meeting,

935
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 4: it's coming into residence, and then it blasts apart. And

936
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 4: so sometimes there's trapped emotions, stored emotions that a certain

937
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 4: tone or a certain range hits, and it hits a

938
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 4: part of you, and then you're like, and then you

939
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 4: have this release. You know, it just touched some trapped

940
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 4: part of you. And then yeah, like you were saying,

941
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 4: crying is the natural release. You know, it's like a

942
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 4: letting go of some kind. And so different ranges of frequencies,

943
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 4: different tones can have that effect on us. And then

944
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 4: when you go, like I was saying, more into that

945
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 4: world of royal rife, there are exact frequencies that you

946
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 4: can I don't want to say you can't. Allegedly, you

947
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 4: could potentially heal yourself of different diseases, different cancers. I

948
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 4: know people I've gotten this a lot in my DMS,

949
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 4: people who have used these Royal Rife machines that have

950
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 4: healed themselves of cancers that doctors have said that they

951
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 4: were going to die from in like the next four months,

952
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 4: and that years later they are alive from using these machines,

953
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 4: they believe, allegedly.

954
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: Allegedly, but I mean you mentioned this on your Instagram too.

955
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 2: But if you say the medical field wouldn't want to

956
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: encourage sound healing or things like that because they can't

957
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: make the same kind of money that they would with

958
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 2: the prescribing pills.

959
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the FDA right now is actually approving

960
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 4: sound waves being used to treat cancer. Okay, I think,

961
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 4: like I was saying this, this doctor Royal Rife had

962
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 4: this information one hundred years ago. So what's what's been

963
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 4: happening in the last hundred years.

964
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 5: Right?

965
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 4: Of course they have access to this. Of course they

966
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 4: have unlimited funding for research the research that they want

967
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 4: to do because they want to be able to patent things,

968
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 4: not a patent on things, and once they have a

969
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 4: patent on things, then suddenly they release it, you know.

970
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 4: And so I think, first off, they FDA is approving

971
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 4: sound waves being used to treat I forget the types

972
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 4: of cancer, but sorry, I lost my train of thought.

973
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 4: Can you help me?

974
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 2: You've said the FDA is using are there approving sound

975
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 2: waves as treatment for certain types of cancer? And you

976
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: were trying think of the cancers where.

977
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 4: You lost ye yeah, yeah, And so they're not going

978
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 4: to bring something into to the public unless they're sure

979
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 4: that they can make that in tablet form, they can

980
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 4: make it in a shot, they can make it as

981
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 4: a form of treatment, and then they'll release it. And

982
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 4: there's just a number of doctors like Royal Rife. There's

983
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 4: another doctor, Mitchell Gainer out of Austin, Texas, who was

984
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 4: a cancer researcher at Cornell University who wrote amazing book

985
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 4: called The Healing Power Sound, who was believing that it

986
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 4: was possible to heal cancers and different long term illnesses

987
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 4: with sound and combination with other effective treatments. And he

988
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 4: also in twenty fourteen committed suicide. Right, And you just

989
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 4: hear of these different stories where these people are going

990
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 4: up against the medical establishment and their careers are roomed,

991
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 4: their lives are taken. And so I think that's why

992
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 4: we see these practices as fringe, you know, I mean

993
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 4: even something like chiropractors, you know, like there is this length.

994
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 4: They won court battles against the American Medical Association in

995
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 4: the nineties because they were trying to delegitimize their entire

996
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 4: practice and see it as alternative, see it as fringe,

997
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 4: And so it occurs with all of these things. And

998
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 4: so I think the more we talk about, the more

999
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 4: we experience, the more we spread what it is. I

1000
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 4: think we combat, you know, the other the darkness of that.

1001
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I could go on a whole tangent

1002
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 2: about that because that was my with the plant medicine stuff.

1003
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: I have a similar feeling is that some of it

1004
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 2: is not being used in the way that could because

1005
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 2: you do it once and then it's done, and like

1006
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 2: there's not a money maker there.

1007
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 4: So yeah, and I mean not that I use it now,

1008
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 4: but it's like now that the that they are legalizing psilocybin,

1009
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 4: it's like you have to use it in a contained environment,

1010
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 4: you have to pay X amount for it. But shamanic

1011
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 4: cultures for thousands of years have been in communication with

1012
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 4: those plants, knowing the properties of it and what it's

1013
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 4: able to do. And somehow, now because it's being legalized,

1014
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 4: is it only seen as you know, a proper form

1015
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 4: of treatment. It's like, what, yeah, that makes sense right?

1016
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: Well, we could obviously go on and for days, but

1017
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 2: if people want to know more about sound healing, I

1018
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 2: do feel like your Instagram page is a really great

1019
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 2: place to start because you break things down. So can

1020
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 2: you tell the people where to find you.

1021
01:01:55,600 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm on Instagram and TikTok at a sound

1022
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 4: r x. And then also I offer trainings where I

1023
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 4: train others and becoming conscious practitioners of sound. And so

1024
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 4: you could go to my website get sounder x dot

1025
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 4: com and yeah, I have other offerings there, other guides

1026
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 4: and yeah, and if you ever want to work one

1027
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 4: on one, that's available.

1028
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 3: Also, do you offer virtual sessions?

1029
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, virtual sessions and doing one tomorrow.

1030
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, cool, Well I'll put all of the

1031
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 2: info of that in the link of sorry, the description

1032
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 2: of this podcast.

1033
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 3: What about what I do where I like Google? How

1034
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 3: I told you I do five to.

1035
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 2: Eight It hurts frequency in the morning, and it does

1036
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 2: seem to be helping me.

1037
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 3: But do you have a way that.

1038
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 2: You would suggest people start using sound if they're kind

1039
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: of just wanting to dip their toe in a little bit.

1040
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know one of my fas practices. I'll show

1041
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 4: you this book I have right here too. One of

1042
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 4: my favorite practices. The book is called the Humming Effect.

1043
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 3: Okay.

1044
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 4: One of my favorite practices is using our own voice

1045
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 4: as a healing agent. A lot of what we're able

1046
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 4: to do when we take in outer sounds from instruments,

1047
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 4: we're able to do with our own voice, you know,

1048
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 4: And so I'm not joking. Try breathing from your diaphragm,

1049
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 4: so feel like your belly expand and then contract as

1050
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 4: you exil. And hum for five minutes and you're going

1051
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 4: to fifteen x your nitric oxide levels, which helps with

1052
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 4: blood flow, oxygenating the blood, all these different effects, producing oxytocin,

1053
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 4: and just creating an overall sense of well being. I

1054
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 4: would say my favorite practice is hum for five minutes.

1055
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 4: It's okay for when you're feeling stressed out. And I

1056
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 4: don't want to say I guarantee, but like you will,

1057
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 4: I will guarantee this one. Okay, I will guarantee your

1058
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 4: anxiety levels will be completely different and whatever was kind

1059
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 4: of stressing you out beforehand, will you'll have a different

1060
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 4: relationship with H And yeah, I feel like in general,

1061
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 4: frequencies are amazing. I love that they're people are going

1062
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 4: to them and using them, and I mean five point

1063
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 4: twenty eight is it's amazing. You know, it's believed to

1064
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 4: repair DNA and sell, so it's go for it. That's

1065
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 4: why I share that exactly.

1066
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 2: But it does it does seem to help me. I

1067
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 2: love the humming thing. I catch myself sometimes when I'm meditating,

1068
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 2: I just will start humming and I just I don't

1069
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 2: stop my body from doing things during meditation. I'm like,

1070
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 2: whatever it needs to do. But for me, it's the

1071
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 2: same as crying. It's like some sort of like physical

1072
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 2: release of something that's stuck somewhere. So I don't know,

1073
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: that's really interesting, look at that.

1074
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 3: Let's just do it. Actually.

1075
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the last thing I'll say is like you're

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Speaker 4: communicating without using words, which I think, yeah, really important.

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Speaker 4: It's like you're using your voice but not for to

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Speaker 4: form words, but just to release and express something, which

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Speaker 4: is powerful.

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Speaker 2: Well, it takes out the intellectualizing that we were talking

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Speaker 2: about and you're just actually feeling and communicating and vibrating.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Auvy, thank you. This was so great for me.

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Speaker 2: I needed this on my Monday, so I really appreciable.

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Speaker 2: The listeners will be hearing it on Wednesday. But what

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Speaker 2: a great conversation. I'm going to link everywhere for you

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Speaker 2: guys to go find Avi's work. In the description of

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Speaker 2: this podcast. Thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks so much for having me. I really really

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Speaker 4: enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Thank you guys for listening.

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