1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Hey, y'all. Before today's new lab kicks off, we've got 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: a little treat, an oldie, but a total goodie on 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 1: the art and sociology of celebration. Whether you're gearing up 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: for the Fourth of July fireworks, a backyard family reunion, 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: or even just celebrating the miracle of being alive this summer, 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: this one's for you. Stick around, because sometimes the best 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: sparks come from labs. We've already lit I'm Tt and 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: I'm Zachiah, and this is Dope Labs. Welcome to Dope Labs, 9 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: a weekly podcast that mixes hardcore science with pop culture 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: and a healthy dose of friendship. In this Lab, we're 11 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: dipping into a classic episode on why we as humans 12 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: throw confetti, light fireworks, and you know my favorite, gather 13 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: around the grill to celebrate. It's a timeless deep dive 14 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: into how celebrate shapes our brains, our bonds, and our 15 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: sense of belonging. If we promise, it'll make you think 16 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: a little differently about the next kickback, you go too. 17 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: We love celebrating. 18 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: We like celebrating everything from big things to small things. Yes, 19 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: in this episode, we are talking all about celebration and 20 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: the sociology behind it. 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 3: I think it's important to really acknowledge celebrations exist across cultures. 22 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 3: They may look different, but almost every culture has some 23 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 3: type of celebratory time or season or event. And there 24 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 3: are some cultural universals, so behaviors that or values that 25 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 3: show up in different cultures. They might not necessarily be 26 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: the same, but we see them all the time. So 27 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: dancing or food, or rituals or different religious practices, those 28 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 3: are cultural universals, and they're all often elements of various 29 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 3: types of celebrations. So it can feel like celebration itself 30 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 3: is a hallmark of human behavior. 31 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: So with that being said, let's jump into the recitation. 32 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 4: What do we know? 33 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: TT, Well, we know right now there are a lot 34 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: of people that are celebrating, including us. 35 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: Yes, and we also know there seems to be this 36 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 3: gravitational pool to celebration being outside, loud and with snacks 37 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 3: and drinks. 38 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: Yes, we need libations. 39 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 3: And I think, you know, I just want to understand 40 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 3: what's driving us to celebrate. I think I want to 41 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 3: know why it's food always something that folks want to 42 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 3: bring out when. 43 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: It's time to celebrate. Is that something that's just like 44 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: is it a cultural thing? 45 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 3: Is it all cultures and even beyond just us celebrating? 46 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 3: This feels like some spontaneous celebration in the fall. There's 47 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: that season of celebration right after spooky season where if 48 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 3: people celebrate Thanksgiving around that time, heading into all of 49 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 3: the winter high holidays, I feel like I can almost 50 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: smell it in. 51 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: The air, you know. 52 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: But if I didn't grow up celebrating these holidays, would 53 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: I still feel that same way? 54 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: Right? 55 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a part of our subconscious mind to feel 56 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: like we're supposed to be celebrating right now. 57 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: And then I want to know. 58 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: Friendsgiving is a new thing, but I don't know whose idea. Yeah, 59 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: this was, it's a genius idea, but I want to 60 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: know whose idea it was and when it got started. 61 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: I think friendsgiving is the perfect example as we start 62 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 3: to think about celebration on a whole right because you 63 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 3: don't have to believe any one certain thing to participate 64 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: in friendsgiving. It also feels like it's a little more 65 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: low stakes than some of the other holidays, so you 66 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 3: don't have to jump in and sprinkle cinnamon all over 67 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: your house. 68 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 4: If you want to participate in friendsgiving. 69 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: Friendsgiving feels more like a come as you are celebration 70 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: rather than you got to get dressed up with your 71 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: auntie and uncle and answer all their annoying questions. 72 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 3: I don't want to wear a sequin top. So I 73 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 3: think we're ready to move into the dissection and understand 74 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 3: more about celebration. So this dissection is a little bit different. 75 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 3: The guest expert today, Well, it's us welcome. 76 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 4: I think we're. 77 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: Professional celebrators and I think it's a great time for 78 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: us to just hold that mirror up and explore some 79 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 3: of our own behavior around holidays. 80 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: We're talking all about celebrations, and I think a great 81 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: place to start would be talking about a celebration kind 82 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: of like Friendsgiving, where it is a new form of 83 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: celebration and I think a lot of people are starting 84 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: to do it. 85 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 3: So let's start with the history of Friendsgiving. It's basically 86 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: a spin on Thanksgiving. And when we look back at 87 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: Thanksgiving is basically a big feast. And so your want 88 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 3: for a meat lover's pizza, my want for mimosa. That's 89 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 3: gathering around food, and that's not new. Almost all cultures 90 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 3: are considered kind of cultures of celebration. And Thanksgiving was 91 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: centered on the fall harvest, similar to how we talked 92 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,239 Speaker 3: about cuffing season and having been with the spring harvest, 93 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 3: it's kind of this cyclical or seasonal celebration. 94 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 2: M okay. 95 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: And so it's best to have a feast, which is 96 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 3: like a large meal, and it's usually outrageous amounts of 97 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: food compared to what you would normally have day to day. 98 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: It's gonna be pretty hard to do that if you 99 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: don't have a season of harvest, if you don't have 100 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 3: a lot of stuff to choose from. 101 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: And you know what I like is that when you 102 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: look up the definition of feast, it's a verb and 103 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: it means to eat and drink sumptuously. 104 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: I like that word sumptuously. I'm just started using that. 105 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 3: So when we start to think about friends Giving, this 106 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 3: is kind of new. Like you said, it's been on 107 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: the rise. If you look at Google trends and they 108 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: show you know, that little graph of how often different 109 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 3: terms are searched, it doesn't make its first kind of 110 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 3: big blip until like twenty ten, and then you just 111 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: see every year around November it just peaks up. And 112 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 3: so it's been on the rise since like the twenty ten. 113 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: If you think about two thousand and seven to twenty ten, 114 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 3: the economy trying to make a comeback. Millennials were one 115 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 3: of the first generations to move really far away from home, 116 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: So can you even afford to get back home? 117 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: So I remember being an undergrad and before we would 118 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: go home for Thanksgiving break, me and my friends one 119 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: year got together and had like a little Thanksgiving because 120 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: we were like, oh, you know, we're thankful for each other. 121 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: We should all get together and do something. So I 122 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: think it also was something where folks wanted to celebrate 123 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving with their friends before having to go home and 124 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: celebrate with their families. 125 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: And that makes me think also there is something that 126 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: we kind of borrow from LGBTQ culture, which is your 127 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: chosen family. Yeah, these people you choose and who have 128 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 3: chosen you in return. So even if you don't have 129 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 3: great relationships with your blood relatives, right, you have this 130 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: family who you are super grateful for and you want 131 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 3: to celebrate with them, so you create this occasion to 132 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 3: do that. I love that, z And so I think 133 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 3: we're almost talking about friends Giving, and when we think 134 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 3: about the evolution of it, some of it may be 135 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: out of necessity. So if you can't afford to travel home, 136 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: or if you have to do a pot luck style 137 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 3: dinner because do you know how much. 138 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 4: A turkey costs? 139 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: Turkeys are expensive. I will never purchase a turkey. Write 140 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: that in Stone. I will never purchase a turkey. 141 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 3: So when you consider those things and then these other 142 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 3: kind of emotional pools where you want to acknowledge these 143 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 3: people who have supported you year round and who have 144 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: helped you grow m you kind of have these converging 145 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 3: factors that drive this new holiday. 146 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: We're redefining family. 147 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: We are, and we're also dignifying friendship. 148 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 149 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: We talked about that in the What About Your Friend's episode, 150 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: like we need to be giving our friendships way more 151 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: weight than we give them, Like, our friends are so 152 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: important to our lives, and. 153 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 3: I think if you understand that, then you got to 154 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: have a celebration. Yet, this is the bet Awards of friendship. Okay, 155 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 3: the Emmys of friendship, the Grammys of friendship, that's. 156 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 4: What friends giving it is. 157 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: I need to find a dress, roll. 158 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 3: Out the red carpet for the people you love. So, 159 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: as we mentioned before, we're looking at celebration through the 160 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: life of sociology. 161 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: Sociology is the study of society, and that's the big umbrella. 162 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: So that can be the development the structure of a 163 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: society or how it functions, and you can also talk 164 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: about like social relationships and institutions. 165 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 2: So when we're talking. 166 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: About the sociology of celebration, we're talking about how we 167 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: behave cross culturally when a celebration occurs, whether it's planned 168 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: or spontaneous. 169 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: When we try to figure out some clues to help 170 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 3: us characterize why we behave like this, why we enjoy celebration, 171 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: and sometimes while we celebrate too much. We came across 172 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 3: the Journal of Comparative Research and Anthropology and Sociology. They 173 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 3: had a whole issue on celebration and these two authors, 174 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 3: Rusu and Cantola laid out this great kind of way 175 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 3: to navigate through celebration. If you think about celebration as 176 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 3: a map. On most maps, you have a north, south, east, 177 00:08:58,559 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 3: and west. 178 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 4: Those are four coordinates. They give us three. 179 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 3: Coordinates temporality, spatiality, and sociality. 180 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 2: Okay, so let's get into it. 181 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: So let's talk about temporality. And this is all about time. 182 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 3: So when we think about time as it relates to 183 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 3: celebration celebrations are these disruptions in our day to day. 184 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 3: I can remember as a kid somebody's birthday party happening 185 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: on a Saturday. 186 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: That was an anomaly, right, Yeah, we were gonna eat cake, 187 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: we were gonna do all these things that we did 188 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: not normally do on Saturday. 189 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: Chuckie Cheese had the best pizza. 190 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 4: Pizza is your celebration food. 191 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: It really is, and it probably started with chuck E Cheese. 192 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 3: But you almost find that when we think about these 193 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 3: celebrations that are rooted in time, so religious holidays, they 194 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 3: almost pattern our day to day. So if you think 195 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 3: about our year going along in a circle, every time 196 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 3: we hit March or April, there are some spring celebrations. 197 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 3: Every time around the summer, there's Juneteenth or fourth of July, 198 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 3: whatever you celebrate. Right, there's these things in every year 199 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 3: when you come around, they almost pattern what our cycle 200 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 3: of time looks like because they're a disruption every time, 201 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 3: over and over again. 202 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 2: Every year at the same time. 203 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 3: Right, And so it's interesting we can think of these 204 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: celebrations that's helping us shift from the monotony of this 205 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 3: day to day kind of punch in, punch out clock 206 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: in clock out. They add some excitement to our day 207 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 3: to day lives. 208 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: And it gives us something to look forward to. 209 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 4: Right, Yes. 210 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 3: And it feels a little crazy, right because you're saying, oh, 211 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 3: we pattern time with these celebrations and they disrupt time. 212 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 3: So if they disrupt time at the same time all 213 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 3: the time, aren't they a pattern too. 214 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 4: It's too much for my brain. It's like if we're 215 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 4: going into exception. 216 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: Right. 217 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: I saw something else that was really interesting, and it 218 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 3: talked about these two Greek words related to Greek mythology 219 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: about time, So there was kronos and chiros. You can 220 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 3: think of chronos as representing the godly personification is what 221 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 3: this text says of linear, never ending quantitative time. So 222 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 3: for me, chronos is the clock and we can think 223 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 3: of chronological order right, linear. 224 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: Time, right, But kiros is a little bit different. Chiros 225 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: is like I'm just going off the vibes, right, And 226 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: for me, that is what celebration time is, like, you know, 227 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: the vibe when we're celebrating, Just show up when it's time. 228 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: Do you remember that time we had a party and 229 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: our friend Sean said she was gonna bring hamburger buns 230 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: and she showed up so late. 231 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. And she showed up late. 232 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, well, you're bringing a critical element 233 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: because we're grilling out and we have burgers and hot dogs, 234 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: and you were in charge of the vehicle buns for 235 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: those meets. 236 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: Sewn showing up when she felt like it was time 237 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 3: to show up for me, that's Chiros, right, it's no. 238 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 4: Real What is an hour? What is time? When the 239 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 4: party starts? 240 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 3: And I am a firm proponent of Kiro's when it 241 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 3: comes to when a celebration ends. The party is over 242 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 3: when we're dead. 243 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: So the next element of the coordinates of celebration is spatiality, 244 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: and that's all about where's the party at. Along with 245 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: our routinized celebrations, this usually happens at a certain place. Right, 246 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: So if you're celebrating passover, maybe you go to a 247 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: satyr at your grandmother's house every year, or maybe if 248 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: you're celebrating ed, you go to your uncle's house every year, 249 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: and that's where all of that celebrating happens. But it 250 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: happens in the same place, and so in your mind, 251 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: as soon as you walk through those doors, you're like, okay, 252 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: it's time to celebrate for me and my family, it 253 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: would alternate every year. For Thanksgiving, we would alternate between 254 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: my uncle Jacob and Aunt Rachel's house. Then it would 255 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: be at my house, so my parents would host Thanksgiving, 256 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: and so we would just go back and forth and 257 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: back and forth. And I think that's because my dad 258 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: is the oldest of eight siblings, and then my uncle 259 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: Jacob is his younger brother. He was right behind him, 260 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: so they're kind of like the heads of the family, 261 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: and so we just alternate between those two. It was 262 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: always so much fun seeing all of my cousins and 263 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: aunts and uncles and everything like that all in one place. 264 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 4: What about u Z. 265 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 3: I think for major holidays like Christmas, Thanksgiving, when we 266 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 3: celebrated those growing up, we always went to my grandma's house, 267 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: so my mom's mom the drive down there, I remember. 268 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 4: It will be like so excited to go there. 269 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 3: It was like an hour or so away from where 270 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 3: we lived in Greensboro, and it was just a thing, right, 271 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 3: you were just bubbling with excitement. 272 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: Now we went there every other weekend. That wasn't a holiday, 273 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: but it just hit different right now. 274 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 4: It would have been like homecoming season. 275 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 3: I can remember A and T Homecoming all right, geho, 276 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 3: greatest homecoming on Earth. I didn't even go to A 277 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 3: and T, but I grew up in the city where 278 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 3: it was, so I felt like A and T's homecoming 279 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: was always like another big holiday. People would come because 280 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: a lot of my family members went there, so you 281 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 3: would see family. It was like a mini Thanksgiving before Thanksgiving, 282 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 3: and we would go to my great aunt, my aunt Lina, 283 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 3: we would go to her house. And so it's just 284 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 3: interesting how as soon as we started talking about celebrations, 285 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 3: I can pinpoint these different places for different celebrations. 286 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess we can zoom out a little bit. 287 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: So it's like not even just specific for your family, 288 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: but even like culturally as Americans, like when we think 289 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: about celebrating New Year's Eve, we think of the ball 290 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: dropping in Times Square. We might not necessarily be there, 291 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: but it's just so iconic and ingrain into our minds 292 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: that we think of that. 293 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 2: When we think of New Year's. 294 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 3: Eve, the spatiality aspect is really interesting because it can 295 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 3: be a whole city, you know, like when we think 296 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 3: about Mardi Gras in New Orleans and when we think 297 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 3: about Running of the Bulls there are these places where 298 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 3: these celebrations occur. And it can be broad like that, 299 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 3: but it can also be really specific. So, right, if 300 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 3: you normally eating your kitchen or your living room, but 301 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 3: for big holidays, you guys all gather around a dining 302 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 3: table and you use that special furniture. 303 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: Hah, the special plates, Yeah, the napkins. 304 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: That's a spatial queue, right, is almost reminiscent of some 305 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 3: religious ceremonies and celebrations that happen in these sacred spaces 306 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 3: or sanctuaries, right, And we're almost replicating that. There's something 307 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 3: ritualistic about a lot of our celebrations anyway, and so 308 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 3: here we see it appearing again. 309 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then. 310 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: Even if there isn't a special place for whatever you're 311 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: trying to celebrate, we convert our existing spaces into a 312 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: space for celebration. Absolutely, and that is literally what folks 313 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: did for Friendsgiving. So we've touched temporality, which is time space, 314 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: reality which is where are you? And now we're hitting sociality, 315 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: which is how does it feel. It's the social aspect. 316 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 3: So the togetherness you're kind of dropping those barriers is 317 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 3: the vibes. It's really interesting because when you have a holiday. 318 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 3: You got your core group of people that you always 319 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 3: normally see, but then you always have some stragglers. You 320 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 3: got that one cousin who shows up for Easter, you like, 321 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 3: we haven't seen them all year, right, Or you have 322 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 3: that aunt or uncle that you don't really deal with 323 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 3: like that, but you're gonna keep it cute for the holiday, right. 324 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 3: I think it's really interesting. Even on a broader scale, 325 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 3: even if you just zoom out, we can almost consider 326 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 3: this as people being in the holiday spirit or having 327 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 3: some holiday cheer. 328 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm hmm. 329 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: It almost feels like community level or group level, we're 330 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 3: all extending a little bit more grace. 331 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: Yes, worldwide vibes and no one is supposed to be 332 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: coming in and killing the vibe, and so sociality I. 333 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,479 Speaker 2: Think is key to a good celebration. 334 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 3: But I think it's important to highlight sociality can go 335 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 3: either way because that sense of community. You can either 336 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 3: leverage it and make everybody feel equal, you can bring 337 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 3: everybody in. And it really depends on your holiday because 338 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 3: if you have a holiday that is built on power 339 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 3: dynamics and access to certain things, it can also isolate too. 340 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 3: So you want to be aware of that when you 341 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 3: building your friends giving. Are you saying everybody got to 342 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 3: bring a ball of asa space? Everybody can't do that. 343 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 4: I won't be there. 344 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: And some folks don't drink right, and so those are 345 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: all the things to think about. 346 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 4: You know. 347 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 3: I had to really question my cookout style. Over the 348 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 3: past couple of years, I've had more and more vegetarian friends. Oh, 349 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 3: and I said, what do you have to offer them? 350 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 3: Is it a celebration if they can only have a 351 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 3: potato it's not. 352 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. 353 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: Yes, this happened to me because me and Jimmy do 354 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: a holiday like dinner every year, and two dinners ago, 355 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: so not the last one we did, but the one 356 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 1: before that. We had some friends that showed up and 357 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: I knew that they were vegetarians, and we tried to 358 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: have some vegetarian options, but one was vegan and that 359 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: just eliminated all options. There was literally nothing for them 360 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: to eat. And I was mortified. I was messing up 361 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: the sociality of my dinner party. I was killing the 362 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: vibes from my vegan friends. But I know that they 363 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: knew you meant well. They were good sports. I was 364 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: crying into my hand, Queen of the hand was having 365 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: a bad night. That just takes us to the next 366 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: point about what happens when celebrations and the expectations around 367 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: them get really high and they can add on a 368 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: lot of pressure. 369 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 3: But we're not going to talk about it just yet. 370 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 3: We're about to take a break, and when we come back, 371 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 3: we'll jump right into the case for scaling back on celebrations. 372 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,959 Speaker 3: I know, seems a little counterintuitive, and how we'll continue 373 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 3: to celebrate even when we can't be together. 374 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: We're back, and now we're going to jump into the 375 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: case for scaling back on celebrations. We have already talked 376 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: in great detail about how we love to celebrate, but 377 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: in some cases, some you kind of have to just 378 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: fall back a little bit and chill. 379 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 3: I think we have to make some points really clear. 380 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 3: When we say we like to celebrate, we don't mean 381 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 3: every time we have to take things to the top. 382 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: I mean we like to find the celebratory moments even 383 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 3: in the small things. Right, So it's like, hmm, this 384 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 3: doctor Pepper has all the fizz. It's a parday, you know. 385 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 4: It's all the little. 386 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 3: Things, the little stuff when it happens things go the 387 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 3: way you want, or even when things, don't. That's the 388 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 3: time to really celebrate that we're just here and making 389 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 3: it okay. 390 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: Yes, I remember one time when we were in grad 391 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: school and I baked a batch of cookies and I 392 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: took some to the kid's lab and she loved it. 393 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: It was a celebration really for nothing. 394 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 4: I love that kind of stuff, you know. 395 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 3: I think we just need more moments of joy for ourselves, right, 396 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 3: because if we are relying on it externally, the external 397 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 3: world will fail. 398 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: You. 399 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: We see that we had all the twenty twenty and 400 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 3: look at what he did. I'm so ashamed of twenty twenty. 401 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,239 Speaker 3: I don't even want to talk about it. 402 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: Right, you got to celebrate life while you still got it. 403 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 4: That's right. 404 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 3: But I think some people take it to the extreme 405 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 3: on the other part. Right, it's not a party unless 406 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 3: there are custom name cards for everybody, streamers hanging down, 407 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 3: a minor explosion of viral techniques, and I'm just like, no, no, no, 408 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 3: we don't need that for a birthday, for the first birthday, 409 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 3: you know, you know, they won't even remember. 410 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: This, right exactly. 411 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: I think we've seen even this year some issues with 412 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: some celebrations that went a little bit over the top, 413 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: like the gender reveals that started wildfires in California and Arizona. 414 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you want us. 415 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: To know what genitalia your child has, and then you're 416 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: gonna burn down half the state. 417 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: I think that's a little excessive, right, it is? 418 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 2: It is. 419 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 3: I think there's also a whole culture around celebrations. Some 420 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 3: of this feels like I look at Pinterest, I say, Pinterest, 421 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 3: you're giving people way too many ideas. My friend, her 422 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 3: cousin was having a baby and she made a whole 423 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 3: cake out of diapers. She was like, I have to 424 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 3: find the right lace to tie around these diapers. I 425 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 3: have to find the right ribbon and trimming. It was 426 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 3: a Safari style thing, and she needed to find all 427 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 3: these animals and glue them on. And I was like, girl, 428 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 3: this feels more stress fold them anything. 429 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 4: But it was a labor of love for her. 430 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: I remember this. 431 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 3: But I think social media is also a driver because honey, 432 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 3: people start posting yes, doing it for the gram. 433 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 4: I'm just trying to do it for me. 434 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: So another reason why people might be celebrating a lot 435 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: could be because of this whole idea of globalization. A 436 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: lot of people are starting to live farther and farther 437 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: apart from each other. Because of the way technology is, 438 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: we have the ability to stay in contact with people 439 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: literally all over the world. Yes, the cultures are blending, 440 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: so we have a lot more multicultural families, and social 441 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: media is at. 442 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: The wheel of this bus. 443 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: We are over celebrating and oversharing and doing all of 444 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: the extra things. 445 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 3: And so it's going to be really interesting to see 446 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 3: how this season of celebration plays out. With first everybody 447 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 3: sharing on social media, with second, everybody supposed to be 448 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 3: quarantining up until now. 449 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 2: Right, y'all supposed to be social distancing. 450 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 3: I'm interested to see how all these factors come together 451 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 3: during this season of celebration. 452 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: It's a unique time. 453 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 3: And let me tell you something, baby, I'm zooming. Okay, 454 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 3: I'm zooming with y'all, And don't zoom by my house, 455 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 3: especially not unannounced. 456 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: Yes, we are talking about the web conferencing software. Do 457 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 2: not zoom here. 458 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 3: I'm all about togetherness, but let's be together. 459 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 2: Virtually be together apart. 460 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 3: This year, I'm gonna do a friends giving with a 461 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 3: few people who have been in their homes NonStop and 462 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 3: who are just as diligent about coronavirus safety protocols as 463 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 3: I am, and then I'm zooming with everybody else they 464 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 3: can also have the same thing we're having here. I'm 465 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 3: gonna be sharing my recipes. 466 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: Yes, all of it, and I will be eating yes. 467 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: So that's all I bring to the table. 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