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Speaker 2: Matt Vaughan, I wanted to return to the idea of
Speaker 2: things that are made to be as ridiculous as possible,
Speaker 2: off the charts crazy. I'll use skin Walker again as
Speaker 2: an example. We had written about the things that had
Speaker 2: happened at the ranch. You know, these PhD guys go
Speaker 2: there to look for UFOs, which is already a little
Speaker 2: bit shady in the eyes of a lot of academics,
Speaker 2: but they're going to be straightforward, investigate UFOs, see what's
Speaker 2: flying around up there, and then they encourage encounter all
Speaker 2: this other stuff. Mutilated cats and cows, dinosaurs with the
Speaker 2: tail of a beaver, bulletproof wolf crop circles, blue warbs
Speaker 2: the size of softballs, all this strange stuff that's just crazy.
Speaker 2: We put all that in a book. The only thing
Speaker 2: we debated about that was so off the charts nuts.
Speaker 2: We debated about including it because we didn't want to
Speaker 2: destroy the credibility of a book that was already stretched
Speaker 2: to the breaking point as is. These two cops, a
Speaker 2: Native American police officers, come around the edge of the
Speaker 2: road at night by Skinwalker. They see these two guys
Speaker 2: standing on the side of the road in trench coats
Speaker 2: with their backs to the road. They flash their spotlight
Speaker 2: over on them. They're smoking cigarettes. The guys turn around
Speaker 2: and they're dogs there, dog faces. The cops look at
Speaker 2: each other in horror, turn back around. The guys are gone.
Speaker 2: They get out to look around. The cigarettes are still burning.
Speaker 2: The guys in the trench coats with the dog faces
Speaker 2: are gone. Now what the heck's going on there? It
Speaker 2: obviously is made to be as ridiculous as possible that
Speaker 2: no one could ever take that seriously.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I really go back to the idea
Speaker 3: that it's a pedological device, it's a learning tool, and
Speaker 3: it's meant to it's meant to defy rational logic. That
Speaker 3: is my theory, my idea as if to say, if
Speaker 3: you want to believe this, you're going to have to
Speaker 3: do some serious work, and you're going to have to
Speaker 3: believe in dog men in trench coats smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 2: In your book, you write about places of high strangeness,
Speaker 2: that some places just have more of it than other places,
Speaker 2: you know, Sedona skin Walker, Yakima, Dulce, Ashville. What are
Speaker 2: the criteria that pop up in these places over and
Speaker 2: over again that separate them from say, downtown Las Vegas,
Speaker 2: bad example.
Speaker 3: Right right, Well one is so in the book I
Speaker 3: give all the theories that are out there. So one
Speaker 3: is intersection of lay lines is one theory. One is
Speaker 3: large deposits of quarts. And then also the mystical toponomy,
Speaker 3: where I put forth there's an idea that the name
Speaker 3: itself attracts high strangeness. Seen that there is in the
Speaker 3: high strangeness literature. There's a famous essay called the Fayette
Speaker 3: factor that people pointed out there are high strangeness around
Speaker 3: towns with Fayette or Lafayette, and also the high strangeness
Speaker 3: in towns with devil names. So those are some of
Speaker 3: the theories.
Speaker 4: And you buy them. I mean you obviously think there's
Speaker 4: something to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe everything, George. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: You know you you researched this at a certain point
Speaker 3: and to me, you know, that's where I talk in
Speaker 3: the book about Okham's rabbit hole versus Ockham's razor. You
Speaker 3: research this enough, and keep in mind, I've been researching
Speaker 3: this since I was a small child, So it's not
Speaker 3: that I came to this conclusion easy. But at a
Speaker 3: certain point, if you've researched this long enough, it makes
Speaker 3: more logical sense just to believe it. It would be
Speaker 3: weirder if there weren't dog men and trench coats smoking
Speaker 3: cigarettes by Skinwalker Ranch.
Speaker 2: Is there in your I'll call it theology for lack
Speaker 2: of a better word. But is there a grand plan?
Speaker 4: Is there.
Speaker 2: Some master plan for how this all plays out? Has
Speaker 2: someone already written down all these synchronicities as as a
Speaker 2: way to get to some ultimate destination.
Speaker 3: I think the grand plan, if I'm having to guess,
Speaker 3: it's to prepare humans for first contact. That is the
Speaker 3: grand plan. And if I have to guess, and I
Speaker 3: talk about that in the conclusion, and that's where the
Speaker 3: term cosmic trigger comes in. So it came from the
Speaker 3: book by Robert Temple and The Serious Mysteries. So in
Speaker 3: The Serious Mysteries he wrote about all of the connections
Speaker 3: to serious in history and archaeology, that sort of thing,
Speaker 3: and he said it appears perhaps my book, Robert Temple's book,
Speaker 3: The Serious is a cosmic trigger to signal to these
Speaker 3: ultraterrestrials that we are ready for first contact. I think
Speaker 3: it is a way to process the human consciousness so
Speaker 3: we can interact with these beings.
Speaker 2: Do you think these you think these beings live here
Speaker 2: or basically they're everywhere, but they're they're not extraterrestrial, they're everywhere,
Speaker 2: they're here.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's I think it's a little
Speaker 3: a little of both. You know, because you talked in
Speaker 3: the at the intro to this segment about when you
Speaker 3: first got into this you thought it was just little
Speaker 3: green men and spaceships. Then sort of the ultraterrestrial theory
Speaker 3: was a little more prominent. I think it's I think
Speaker 3: it's a little of both. I think there's ultraterrestrials where
Speaker 3: it's transdimensional. I think there's I would imagine there's little
Speaker 3: green men and a spaceship somewhere not too far from
Speaker 3: our planet. So I'm all of the above kind of guy.
Speaker 2: Your book included a couple of things to say, George,
Speaker 2: Your book included a couple of things that I thought
Speaker 2: were just there just for me. One was quoting Hunter S.
Speaker 2: Thompson when the going gets weird, the weird term pro
Speaker 2: which quote I've used a lot. The other part was
Speaker 2: about Pan, the god Pan, the mythological creature Pan, who's
Speaker 2: in the I don't know if you read any Tom Robbins,
Speaker 2: but he's my favorite living author. There's a book he
Speaker 2: wrote called Jitterbugs Perfume, a terrific novel, flow of consciousness
Speaker 2: kind of thing that explores a lot of ideas. But
Speaker 2: what did you mean about Pan? How does he fit
Speaker 2: into this panety of mysteries?
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm kind of blown away that you have that
Speaker 3: connection to those two concepts, specifically Pan. I'm gonna have
Speaker 3: to check out this Tom Robbins book. I believe I
Speaker 3: mentioned Tom Robbins in the in the book.
Speaker 4: Oh dude, I didn't see it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tom, he wrote, even Cowgirls get the.
Speaker 4: Blues that yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 3: So he is from Blowing Rock. If I'm not mistaken here,
Speaker 3: Blowing the Rock is near where I'm from. So I've
Speaker 3: always that sort of added that to the high strangeness
Speaker 3: of where I'm from. So Pan, it appears that when
Speaker 3: people start researching how strangeness, Pan pops up. So it
Speaker 3: appears Pan is. I proposed in the book that Pan
Speaker 3: is the god, be it a real entity or an
Speaker 3: archetype falt form, however you want to say it, that
Speaker 3: represents these power spots, these places like Sedona and Asheville.
Speaker 3: As we're saying these places that have more high strangeness,
Speaker 3: it appears that Pan is somehow involved, say the god
Speaker 3: of these bore Texas.
Speaker 2: Well, you're going to want to read Jitterbug Perfume by
Speaker 2: Tom Robbins, because if you like the Cowgirls, this one
Speaker 2: this will be even more up your alley.
Speaker 4: Tom Robbins was a colleague of Terence McKenna.
Speaker 2: You right about Terrence McKenna quite a bit in this,
Speaker 2: and I think they see the world in a lot
Speaker 2: of similar ways. Had you ever met Terrence McKenna or
Speaker 2: his brother Dennis McKenna, who's been a ghost guest on
Speaker 2: this program before.
Speaker 3: No, I haven't. I exchanged emails with Dennis. He's reading
Speaker 3: the book as we speak, God Willing, and I might
Speaker 3: appear on his podcast, but I had not talked to
Speaker 3: him previously, and I never met Terence McKenna.
Speaker 2: Where do you fit on the scale of ideas about
Speaker 2: using plants and psychoactive substances to achieve connection with some
Speaker 2: other consciousness, some other entity.
Speaker 3: Well, tricky question, George. First of all, I don't advocate
Speaker 3: breaking any state, federal state, or federal or local law.
Speaker 3: You understand, however, if you are in a jurisdiction where
Speaker 3: these substances are lead and I think it's a great thing,
Speaker 3: and I think it's one of the keys pieces of
Speaker 3: the puzzle, so to say. And when people take these substances,
Speaker 3: they have a lot of that's very common thing that
Speaker 3: people report is having contact with the entities outside of oneself.
Speaker 2: I guess the central question of what is real makes
Speaker 2: this all kind of mood. But do you think that
Speaker 2: those contacts and conversations that have people have, say under ayahuasca,
Speaker 2: are real in a sense that they're actually communicating with
Speaker 2: something else?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think so. I think some of them.
Speaker 3: You know, no way to say all of them, but
Speaker 3: I think so, yes, And I think you know, there
Speaker 3: is a tendency in this research and everything sort of
Speaker 3: gets shoved into archetypes and this is just part of
Speaker 3: your mind and the reason that sounds a lot better
Speaker 3: and it doesn't sounds crazy. So you know, I almost
Speaker 3: go down are oute in a public venue like this,
Speaker 3: but that would be disingenuous for me to say.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: I think some of it is they're literal entities that
Speaker 3: exist apart from the human consciousness and another dimension that
Speaker 3: we're not aware of. You know, based on my research,
Speaker 3: it appears that life is the norm, not the exception
Speaker 3: in the universe. All different types of life, say, elementals, angels, demons,
Speaker 3: all sorts of things, bigfoot, there's life seems to be
Speaker 3: there seems to be very different forms of life and
Speaker 3: all across different dimensions.
Speaker 2: And I know you can't answer this definitively, but if
Speaker 2: you were to take a stab at it, these beings
Speaker 2: that are encountered under the influence of say ayahuasca, DMT,
Speaker 2: something like that, conversations that are held sometimes, conversations that
Speaker 2: are resumed in a different time. Are they the ones
Speaker 2: pulling the strings over here, that are pulling our chains
Speaker 2: and manipulating this in a way to enhance our consciousness?
Speaker 4: What do you think, I would say?
Speaker 3: So, some of them, you know, some of them, Some
Speaker 3: of them probably are pulling the string. Some of them
Speaker 3: are just observing. Some of them might just be say,
Speaker 3: in the wrong place at the wrong time, and they're
Speaker 3: going about their life and then a human pops in
Speaker 3: there to mension on some substances and they start talking
Speaker 3: to them.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. We got a lot of people
Speaker 4: on the phone.
Speaker 2: I was going to wait on the bottom of this hour,
Speaker 2: but I'm going to take a couple of calls. We
Speaker 2: got Brendan in Austin, Texas, a guy I talked to
Speaker 2: a lot here on the Wildcard line. Hey Brendan, what's
Speaker 2: on your mind?
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 5: Thank you so much George and Matt. It's a great discussion.
Speaker 5: I've been extremely busy with work, so I'm super happy
Speaker 5: to talk tonight. The English high strangeness. It seems like
Speaker 5: it becomes an endurance test, when will you tap out?
Speaker 5: How weird? Can you go and still come back? Like
Speaker 5: you were saying? But George Knapp has some new videos
Speaker 5: and episodes out on Weaponize, so everybody needs to check
Speaker 5: it out on YouTube, Spotify, any podcasts, and Georgia Matt.
Speaker 5: I've been spelling out my own unified theory of weird
Speaker 5: on my podcast Inspired Earth. Episode nine, Part two is
Speaker 5: a good start on consciousness, magnetism, Nazis, and the CIA.
Speaker 5: I've tied together Kenneth Arnold missing People Magnetism with Nazis
Speaker 5: in episode sixteen. But anyways, I wanted to talk about
Speaker 5: some recent Mantis experiences you had asked about for a
Speaker 5: few weeks back when I called in and mentioned it.
Speaker 5: I've been developing a relationship with the insects for many years.
Speaker 5: Spiders would come to me during severe hauntings or events,
Speaker 5: and I felt like it was a blessing. And about
Speaker 5: four years ago I started studying the mantids really heavily,
Speaker 5: making art and collecting art, and it would give me
Speaker 5: words and knowledge occasionally, and there was ebbs and flows.
Speaker 5: I really appreciated them, They appreciated me. They enjoyed music
Speaker 5: and communication and study well. They had given me an
Speaker 5: ultimatum in January and I accepted it and since then
Speaker 5: things have been going really fast. But I'll just skip
Speaker 5: to the experience because we don't have time. But I
Speaker 5: was at work, and I work a blue collar job
Speaker 5: that's really physical and monotonous, and while my body is
Speaker 5: at work, I can go to places in my mind
Speaker 5: and learn and like do stuff. So I thought my
Speaker 5: energy was different and I felt charged up, and I
Speaker 5: felt like an urge to contact them. Maybe they charged
Speaker 5: me up, or it was both of us, but I
Speaker 5: felt like I needed to ping them. So I ping
Speaker 5: them five times like a stonar ping, and I was
Speaker 5: waiting for them to message me back and they started
Speaker 5: sending me words and I was really surprised, you know
Speaker 5: by that. And the words that they sent me was illusion, strategy,
Speaker 5: wealth measurement, perspective, and paradox, and yeah, I just got
Speaker 5: really I was not prepared to make contact with them
Speaker 5: because like they kind of just tuned in and I
Speaker 5: was I didn't know what to ask it first, and
Speaker 5: I'd ping them five times. I was embarrassed for them
Speaker 5: to join in and may not have anything to say,
Speaker 5: and so I asked them what is time? And that
Speaker 5: was the answers they gave me was those words, and
Speaker 5: I don't have time to talk about the definitions of them,
Speaker 5: but I had to scramble and unlock my phone to
Speaker 5: write the words down. So I was just curious of
Speaker 5: other mantis like experiences or anything like quantum type experiences
Speaker 5: that you've heard of.
Speaker 3: Matt. Sure, I do have some literature about mantids, And
Speaker 3: one of the things people that know me they joke
Speaker 3: about anytime somebody has a paranormal experience, I have like
Speaker 3: literature I can point you to, so I know about
Speaker 3: the mantids. There was a book from the early days
Speaker 3: of your apology, how to contact extraterrestrials or how to
Speaker 3: contact alien beans. It's a long title like that. I
Speaker 3: don't want to pull it up on Google just now,
Speaker 3: but Brendan, you can look for that. And this guy
Speaker 3: talks about how to contact extraterrestrials. They're manted type beans
Speaker 3: and one of them is called Twitter, which I found
Speaker 3: that interesting. And also if you Riley Martin, are you
Speaker 3: familiar with Riley Martin? Yeah, right, right, So he talks
Speaker 3: about insect type entities as well. So those are two
Speaker 3: good places to start. Now I will say this this.
Speaker 3: I was moved to say this. This is a great
Speaker 3: call talk about wildcard line. Now I want to say this.
Speaker 3: With interacting with beans, I would not that you asked
Speaker 3: for the advice, Brendan, but I'm going to give it people.
Speaker 3: I would encourage people not to be overly astonished. It
Speaker 3: appears that there's entities out there varying types, dog men
Speaker 3: and trench coats. So I think there's a tendency to
Speaker 3: over be overly astonished and perhaps even put these entities
Speaker 3: on a pedestal. It's like, Hey, they're just mantid beings
Speaker 3: that have a little knowledge that we don't. It's not
Speaker 3: that big of a deal. I think that approach helps
Speaker 3: us stay grounded and not get off the deep end,
Speaker 3: because it sounds like you were in the deep end.
Speaker 2: Brendan, Brendan, that was a pretty amazing exchange you had
Speaker 2: with these mantises while you're at work. You ask about
Speaker 2: time and they said something like illusion, strategy, paradox, a
Speaker 2: couple of other terms. That was That was pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: Thanks for that call. Mantis is have you, Matt have
Speaker 2: you had other contacts and questions about mantis type beings?
Speaker 3: Yeah, mantis, I think I said, mantid. Yeah, mantis. That's
Speaker 3: just all I know about my That's the extent of
Speaker 3: the knowledge I have on mantis type beings.
Speaker 4: That's like manton is sort of the plural of it.
Speaker 4: So you were right, You're right.
Speaker 3: Now, So I don't don't want to offend them.
Speaker 2: George, Well, we'll have to have a conversation off the
Speaker 2: air about mantis's. I have a long standing relationship and
Speaker 2: talk way too much about the little ones, not the
Speaker 2: eight foot tall ones, but the little ones that I
Speaker 2: have out in a little sanctuary in my in my courtyard, Debt.
Speaker 4: I've had them there for nine years.
Speaker 2: I we go back and forth on it anyway, So
Speaker 2: thanks for that call, bro whow.
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