WEBVTT - Work in Progress: Lake Bell 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:15.280 Hey everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hello 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:17.799 whip smarties. Today we are joined by one of my 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:23.880 favorite smart, creative, I mean brilliant women, who also happens 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:25.599 to be one of the coolest chicks that I know. 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:30.319 Today's guest is actress, writer and director Lake Bell, who 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:34.760 is starring in the upcoming series The Chair Company on HBO, 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:39.800 and who has just released a book inspired by her daughter. 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.720 The book is called All About Brains, a Book about people, 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:47.240 and it is a whimsical story that celebrates the ways 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.239 all of our different brains make us special in a 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:55.960 lighthearted and you'll hear me crying emotional exploration of neurodiversity. 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:59.760 The book was inspired by Lake's own daughter, Nova, and 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:02.320 we're going to talk about what it's like to be 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:07.240 a parent of a brilliant and different kid, what both 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:11.400 of our journeys with families look like, and how she 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.679 views her career as both a personal sense of expression 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:19.479 and as a real responsibility. Because with a platform comes privilege, 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:23.560 and Lake is so amazing at mobilizing her privilege for 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.720 others in really beautiful and inclusive ways. Let's dive in 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:42.440 with Lake Bell. I was reading so many articles about 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:46.320 your audiobook because it fascinates me. And also I feel 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.320 like I needed to go back in time a little bit. 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:52.360 And when you were talking about having a voice, like 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.320 you have a voice similar to I'll. 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.000 Say you yeah, you were on the list of unique voices. 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.960 Well just in terms of what it was like as 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:05.880 a young actor, particularly not sounding like all a little 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:06.680 angen news. 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:09.280 Yeah. Yeah, I was like, oh my god, same girl. 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:09.840 I feel it. 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:13.679 Yeah, well I think it. I think, you know, definitely, 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:20.920 it's more. It affects more than you realize. I think 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.799 it's like, sure, you can look a certain way, you 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:29.840 can imbue a certain amount of qualities that isuesque, but 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:34.720 then if your sound is different, there's like a juna 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:38.120 sequa that might or either get you the role or 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:40.920 not get you the role. Yeah, or have someone even 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:45.040 in an interview situation or a meeting a potential partner 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:47.600 for the first time, you know, whatever it is, you're like, oh, 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:49.600 we're either going to get along or not. I mean 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:53.000 for me, I you know, there's like a vocal chemistry. 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:58.160 I think, yeah, that happens that I can be highly 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.880 adverse to certain sounds. Also because my ears, I think 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.400 are I call. I say to my kids, I'm like, 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:05.960 I have wolf hearing, so you got to take it 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:09.760 down or not. It's the same sensitive sensitive hearing, yeah, 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.760 which means I'm like picking up on all kinds of 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:19.080 you know, vocal little quirks and qualities and things that 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:21.760 are you know, what's also what's not there, you know, 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:26.560 resonance or like being really tinny, you know, and like pushing. 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.160 I'm like, where's your breath? You know? 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.440 Like yeah, like I science of sound and. 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:37.200 Science of sound and the kind of emotional uh sort 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:42.560 of qualities that I think really either pull you to someone. 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:46.280 It's like a magnet, you know. You hear someone's sound 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.760 and you're like, Ooh, I'm attracted to that sound, or 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.800 I'm oh god, I'm just repelled by that sound, yeah, 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:57.040 which is like sorry, but you know, it just is 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.240 one of those things. I think it's almost like pheromones, 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:00.480 you know, totally. 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.800 I love that well. And I think about particularly that 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:08.800 era we came up in as actors. We were in 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.840 the height of sort of sexy baby voice. 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.640 Yeah that like Paris hilt any sound Shurtney spears very sexy, 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.279 very young, very yeah, vile. 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.520 And I remember I can't recall. I think it must 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.560 have been the maybe the second or third season that 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.080 we were doing One Tree Hill in Wilmington. You came 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:29.000 to do your show. 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:30.080 Oh yeah, that's right. 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.159 We were there together, yes, and I remember hanging out 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.120 with you. I don't remember if it was the apartment 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.040 you were in or one of your castmates that used 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.480 to be Dennis Hoppers. It was yours, and I remember 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.360 just being like, this girl is so cool and I'm 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:47.800 so excited to be her friend. And then your show 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:51.000 moved on and then I was there, which was great, 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.919 but I was there alone mostly, and I was so 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:58.000 excited years later to see you again and be like, 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.800 hey girl, and it was like the rast ones, We're 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:01.359 still here. 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.640 It is. It's it's interesting. And your sound has just 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:07.440 now that i'm thinking about your sound, your sound and 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.440 my sound both have evolved. Like if we took a 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:15.880 clip of us during those earlier years in Williamsburg, Williamton. 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.960 What is it, Wilmington, Wilmington, I'm like, Williamsburg Williamsburg would 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:19.320 have been cool. 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:23.640 No, in Wilmington, you know, I bet those sounds have 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.000 you know, you know, the just the color of life, 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:30.160 you know has occurred where more rasp has coming out, 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:34.200 you know, or you know, also we've arrived in this 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.960 space to speak in mics, So my my sound, I'm 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:41.400 aware of my sound being a little more juicy and 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:46.000 a little more liquid than it might be if I'm 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.160 kind of just you know, talking to my daughter. I'm like, 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.240 that's enough, you know, Like maybe I'm not supporting my 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:55.440 voice as much when I'm when I'm parenting in in chaos. 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.640 But you know, I think all of those things are 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:00.919 just so sexy to me, Like you turned me on 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:06.680 so much. I love the things that we don't notice, 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.280 you know. And so if we looked back on and 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:14.480 listen to our voices in those early episodes of those shows, 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.400 ipekay would sound different than they are right now. 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.680 Oh my god, I would love Well. That sort of 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.040 leads me to the question I normally start with with guests, 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:26.160 because you know, you come in, you're promoting something, You've written, something, 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:27.839 you have a film coming out, whatever it is. You 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:33.960 have this gorgeous career and listeners know you as this person. 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:38.120 And I always am curious if you got to go 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:41.440 back in time and hang out with yourself when you 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:43.760 were a kid, maybe when you were your daughter's age, 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:48.680 would you see yourself in that little version of you? 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:51.839 And because it's you, I also want to know, was 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:53.880 that little girl obsessed with sound? 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:58.240 Yes, so I have to say I was like unabashedly 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:03.719 precocious and super into dorked out nerdy stuff like that. 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:08.160 And I used to put on these at Nova's age, 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:12.360 for sure, maybe even younger, as a procrastination tool to 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:13.720 go to bed. I did not want to go to 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.840 a night person, and I was like, I gotta entertain 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:18.960 the adults. So it would be that thing of I 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.840 put on voices and you know, play Harry Bellefonte and 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:26.240 you know, throw on an outfit and do a dance number, 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:31.640 you know, musical number. But definitely interested in from an 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.800 early age being from New York, especially where you are 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.280 surrounded by, whether you like it or not, just sounds 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.800 of the city, but then also of a thousand different 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:46.720 cultures and a thousand languages, you know, and how people 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:51.160 spoke even within New York. You know, you had just 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:59.760 this beautiful cacophony of accents and dialects and languages. And 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:06.000 I think that was very integral to my interest in 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:07.920 not just culture but character, you know. 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:12.360 Yeah, So Where do you think that bug came from? 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.200 When did you know you were studying people because you 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:16.440 wanted to play people? 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.000 I think it was super early. I knew I wanted 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.520 to be an actor before I understood what it is 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.480 to be an actor. I just knew that I wanted 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:28.600 to be characters before I knew that word. I remember 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.880 in the eighties growing up in the city, there was 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.720 always movie trucks on the side of the road, and 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:36.440 it was usually you know, there would be like Woody 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.680 Allen movies being shot and whatnot, or I just remember 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.920 this particular one because I was on the Upper East Side, 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:46.800 so you know, he definitely would have lots of things 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:52.040 shot there anyway. So I would be pouting like this 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.199 in the taxi cab, say, and my mom would say, 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.640 what's wrong, what's up. I'd be like, I'm not even 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:02.680 in that movie, and she's like, you're six, like you know, 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.480 and I'm like, yeah, but I didn't even, like, like 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.960 there's just movies happening, and like everyone's just making fun 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:10.960 things and I'm not even invited, and you know, and 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.760 she'd be like, well, when you grow up, if that's 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:15.520 still what you want to do, you know, you get 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.480 to do that. So I just remember being like knowing 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.240 I wanted to do it. I want to look, that's 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.400 so fun that thing that they do, and I want 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.360 to do that. I want to write stories. I want 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:26.320 to be in stories. 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:29.840 And so you did you have that? I think I 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:36.560 did weirdly, And it was an interesting thing because, you know, 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:41.240 it sort of occurred to me more recently somebody asked 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:45.040 me why I ride really hard for the crew at work, 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.920 like you know and not. It was partially a compliment 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:52.480 in the conversation and partially a call out of like, 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:55.240 you know, your job is to be focused on your job. 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.040 You don't always have to be making sure everyone else 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.480 has everything they need for their job, like that's kind 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.960 of their job. And so it was this neat interesting 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.600 thing because I was explaining, you know, when you are 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.439 in a cast, and certainly when you've worked your way 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:13.120 up to being in you know, the first four numbers, 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.680 let alone number one on the call sheet, like you 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:20.160 do have to really advocate for your people. And I 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.160 think it was a person pointing out to me maybe 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:29.720 having a slightly altered percentage of where my focus can 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.600 go just to ensure that I'm to your point, like 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.120 taking care of my instrument, doing the things that I 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:40.080 really need to do for me as well. And I 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.600 think it made me click into what it was like 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.439 to grow up going to work with my dad a lot, 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:49.680 because he was a photographer, you know, his whole career. 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:51.559 I always say he was, and then I'm like, he 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:54.600 didn't die, he just is retired. To my dad, it's scary, 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.559 but you know, I went to work with a crew dadah, 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.600 and so I got to see how talent behaved. I 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:07.720 got to see how visiting executives or creative directors behaved, 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.600 and I got to see how hard everybody else was 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:14.440 working and how their behavior affected a set though wasn't 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:20.040 often centered, and so I really I cherished that. And 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.520 so I think I think I learned how to be 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:29.000 a good crewe person and then eventual producer from working 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.120 with my dad. But I don't think I clued into 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:35.319 wanting to be a performer. I just knew art was fun. 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.760 And then I think there was a period similarly to you, 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:43.959 because I'm also a night owl where I never wanted 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:47.560 to go to bed, and so I would get caught 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:51.280 watching Dragnet like on Nick at Night or reruns of 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.280 mister ed like, I've truly been a grandfather for my 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.959 whole life. But then I realized if I could get 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.719 my parents to hang out with me, yeah, yeah, then 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:02.480 I could usually stay up a little later. 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:04.280 Really, do you like the show? Whatever show you guys 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:04.719 want to watch? 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.480 Yeah, And then I'd start doing like a, oh, well, 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.320 why don't you let me do the voices? Oh, like, 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.520 I'll give I'll give you a performances grandpa yeah and 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.360 all his friends in Teenac, you know, and like, then 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:17.839 then I could stay up a little later. And I 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.760 had not thought about it in that way until I 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:26.280 was reading your reflections on how you became obsessed with 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.720 voice acting, and I was like, oh my god, we 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:31.920 would have been cool a little bit kid friends. 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.720 For sure, we would have stayed up till like two 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:35.160 in the morning. 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:38.800 I still want to stay up till I know. 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.840 Well, kids, we'll be back in just a minute. 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:48.720 But here's a word from our sponsors. Okay, so this 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.440 is my question for you. Completely. Yeah, they were taking 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:55.040 a left turn, but it's perfect thinking about you and 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.160 your two kids. Now that I love someone with two kids, 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:03.240 I I am having to become a morning person. Yeah, 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:04.960 because children are mourning people. 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:06.680 They just want to get up. 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:08.800 And I am I am a night person and I 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:13.040 mean even like diagnosed circadian rhythm by a sleep doctor. Oh, 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.680 you're one of the rare eight percent of people who 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:19.520 is a true night owl. How do you do it 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:26.640 as a mom? You don't have a choice, You just shift. 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:31.400 Don't have a choice. Yeah, you don't have a choice 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:35.760 at all. And it's like I remember my ex husband, 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.880 who's awesome, Scott, was saying, you know, he knew I 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.120 was a night owl, and he's like, let's, you know, 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.480 drive for a kid. I'm like, yeah, totally, But what 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.240 if they're what if what if they're like early birds, 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.000 you know, like you? Because he's just like, he'll be 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:53.720 up at five. Oh no, And I am he knew 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.360 I was such a night owl. And he's like, I'll 0:13:56.400 --> 0:14:00.440 take care of morning shift forever. Don't worry about it. 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:06.880 So you have a kid, and guess what your boobs 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:11.200 are on morning shift, whether you like it or not, 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:15.240 meaning you're attached to your boobs and therefore morning shift occurs, 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.920 and then you're just trained. And the truth is, when 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:22.520 you're pregnant, you are the reason. I feel like the 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.200 reason why the body keeps you up all hours of 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.920 the night and in the morning, and everything is because 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.760 the body is just training you to just you sorry, 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.920 You're going to have to be doing feedings every two hours. 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.560 This is part of the training system that we put 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:40.600 in place, and so the pregnant body just kind of 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.239 starts training you. And then by the time you're deposited 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.400 on the other side of this like epic life moment 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:54.640 of child birth, you are You're like, I guess I'm 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.880 a person who's up all night and also in the morning. Oh, 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.760 I know, And then you start to paper off a 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:02.760 little and right when you get comfy, it's like there's 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.680 sleep aggression, you know, And so you're just needed. And 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:11.880 the truth is just like you're chemically you're chemically connected 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:16.640 to the progeny and the little being that is wanting sustends, 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.360 and so your brain, you know, your body's just like 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:20.240 all right, I'll give you. 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:21.560 I guess I'm doing. 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:25.920 It's just like in the same in a similar way. 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:31.840 You know, it's different because it doesn't have the chemical component. 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.160 But I love what we do so much, right, Like 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:38.720 I it is so hugely a part of I feel 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.560 so grateful and privileged to be able to be a 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:45.360 writer and a director and create these stories as an 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:47.440 actor and oh wow, get to be a part of 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:54.520 this creative ecosystem, you know, family. And so when they 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.920 say you have to be on set at six a m. 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.960 To be inherent makeup, you're not psyched, but you totally 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.120 do it. Yep, you wake up. You gotta get up 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:05.640 at five because you're gonna have to get picked up 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:09.440 by the van IoT fifteen and then the locations X 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:11.640 amount of way. So you're just doing it. Yep, there's 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.920 no it's there's no ques. You just do it. And 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.840 I think the adjustment of anything in life as an adult, 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:22.360 you know, it's just that. But I hear you. Yeah, 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:26.360 it is when your like body wants to be asleep 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:30.760 at certain times, you know, you just gotta you just. 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.200 Gotta do it. You just gotta Well that's the thing. Yeah, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.600 it's been really interesting and I've nerded out a little 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:40.040 bit on the you know, the sleep prep where I'm like, okay, 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.200 this is when I got to turn my screens off. Yeah, yase, 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:44.960 I if I'm watching TV, it's not even it's not 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:48.960 ten nineteen. If it hits ten twenty one, it's like 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:52.760 a little gremlin who's jolly. Yeah in me is like 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.440 it's my time now. Yeah, yeah, And I just I 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.880 want to reorganize. I want to do laundry. I want 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:00.440 to watch television. I want to watch eight episodes. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:01.680 Of television, get the whole season. 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:05.080 It's just so crazy. So I'm kind of like, Okay, 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.400 i gotta wind down at nine thirty. I'm gonna put 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:11.520 on your blue light glasses. Two and four oh nah, yeah, 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.840 about to be three, okay, just tur and four in it. 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.960 Oh yeah. And and my partner's the sweetest human in 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:20.000 the world because she's like, you missed the like warm 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:23.760 loaf of bread, the sleepy baby stage, like you you 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.879 came into the this world, our world with two toddlers, 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.960 and they're just like up all the time and absolutely amped. 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.960 And they are my favorite little humans. Like they're so 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:39.600 funny and so charming and wonderful and wild. And my 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.080 godson is right in the age between the two of them, 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.560 so it's just like pack of babies everywhere. My two 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:49.080 best friends have have recent one year olds, and it's 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:50.160 just like that's. 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:50.719 A lot, it's a lot. 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:52.040 We're having the most fun. 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:52.879 Yeah. 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.240 But yeah, I was like Oh I didn't. I didn't 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:59.719 get the like mostly napping phase. There's just it's just 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:01.760 you sign up for the sleeplessness, you do. 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.240 Yeah, and then you realize, I can't believe that I'm 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:09.000 actually I'm getting through this like you do anyway. Yeah. 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:12.800 I also will say in some of the you know, 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:14.720 as stressful as things have been in our day job 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.600 world where no one knows what's happening to our beautiful 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:21.119 industry in the in the times where we're not on 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:25.280 set hours and things like this are scheduled early or late, 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.280 I'm like, oh, it's nap time. I'm gonna nap too. Well, 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:30.919 if that changes my life. 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:36.359 The world is exhausting right now, you know. So it's gee, 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:37.800 what do you mean you. 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:39.520 Mean twenty twenty five something going on? 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:43.240 Yeah, I mean I just feel like the the endurance 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.040 race that we've even been on since COVID, you know, 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:54.200 is really you know, it's if you you know, Carpe Naptom, 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.080 you know, I just like, if you have the great 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:01.040 and beautiful privilege to rest, please do that for your 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:02.440 own health and well being. Yeah. 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.359 Like, if I get in a nap a month, I 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.040 feel like there should be a thing in my little 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.800 health app that I can. I want like a button 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:13.480 that gives me a gold coin like in Zelda Luxury. Yeah. 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:17.399 Yeah, because it's like two nap is to say that 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:22.080 you're worth shutting your system down and taking that time 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:23.840 to be that loaf of bread as it were. 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:27.560 Yeah, well, I will never forget. Many years ago, my 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:32.840 therapist saying to me about a friend's recently born kid. 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:36.640 Would you ever let that baby go without sleep? Would 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:38.960 you ever let that baby go hungry? Would you ever? 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.000 You know? And it was this sort of series of questions, 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.639 and she said, why do you, as an adult woman, 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:49.119 think you deserve less care? And I went ooof because 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:51.080 we would We would do anything for our kids. We 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:54.320 would do anything for the kids in our village, our friends' kids, 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.760 like we show up for them in these ways. And yeah, 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:00.760 on the off month that I get a nap, I'm like, 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:02.440 look at me self care. 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:06.600 Yeah, I mean, I I feel I think the main 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:11.280 thing is you feel guilt. I think as a parent. 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:17.120 You know, I'm a parent of children with learning differences, 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:21.600 and I'm divorced, I'm a single mom. You know. I 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.080 we're fifty to fifty with everything, you know, so it's 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:27.679 like there's this sense of I need to be doing 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:30.520 something also as an activist, as somebody who gives a 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:35.639 shit about the world, and how oppression just is just 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:44.800 reeking through every orifice of this, of every systemic system. 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:51.639 I don't space, place, place, countries, continents, world, I mean environment. 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:58.280 I mean so through that, I think, you know, do 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:00.600 you I feel personally? At least I can only speak 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:03.240 for myself that I can feel a sense of guilt 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:07.160 of how dare you rest? How dare you rest when 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:11.159 so many cannot? So that's where I come from, And 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:17.160 then I go, hey, guess what, you know, it is 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:21.080 my It is my responsibility to take care of myself 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:24.480 in order to take care of my children, in order 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:29.399 to be an activist, in order to be a human 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:32.080 who supports the values that I believe in. You know. Yeah, 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:33.359 so it's like you have to do it. 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:34.920 You have to. And I think one of the things 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:40.480 that's so important about that is to take time for joy, 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.240 not just because you as a human deserve it, but 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:46.359 also because joy is fuel. How are you supposed to 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:51.159 keep fighting oppression? How are you supposed to advocate for 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:55.159 our equal protections under the law if you're just fried 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:56.920 all the time. 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:00.960 I do think, Yeah, I think I think it is Ye. 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:03.439 I think I think joy is essential. I think that 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:08.199 I'm trying to show my children. I mean, that's the 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:12.000 other thing through the lens of being a parent and 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:18.600 being you know, able to show up for these young 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:21.920 minds and say, hey, look here's how I live my life. 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:25.520 I hope that I can't say to you, read more books. 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:27.199 If I don't read books, you know, it's like you 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:32.200 must be a mirror and a model and thank God 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:35.480 for them for that reason, you know, because I am 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:39.159 also saying I will do I will experience joy as well, 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:43.199 because part of the human condition, you know, sort of 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:50.320 feeds on and needs joy. It needs sadness, it needs mourning, 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:54.360 it needs activity. You know all these. 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:57.600 Things when you think about all the things you've created, 0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:01.480 you know, characters and stories, you know from the books 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:03.840 to the movies, and then you make this shift into 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:07.840 writing a children's book. To me, it reads like such 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:11.480 a love letter to your kid and to other people's kids. 0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:14.920 Was it easier do you think to do because you've 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:17.399 written so much before, or did it almost feel like 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:20.280 it had more weight because it's for her? 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:25.760