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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hello

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Speaker 1: whip smarties. Today we are joined by one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite smart, creative, I mean brilliant women, who also happens

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Speaker 1: to be one of the coolest chicks that I know.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest is actress, writer and director Lake Bell, who

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Speaker 1: is starring in the upcoming series The Chair Company on HBO,

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Speaker 1: and who has just released a book inspired by her daughter.

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Speaker 1: The book is called All About Brains, a Book about people,

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Speaker 1: and it is a whimsical story that celebrates the ways

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Speaker 1: all of our different brains make us special in a

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Speaker 1: lighthearted and you'll hear me crying emotional exploration of neurodiversity.

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Speaker 1: The book was inspired by Lake's own daughter, Nova, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about what it's like to be

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Speaker 1: a parent of a brilliant and different kid, what both

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Speaker 1: of our journeys with families look like, and how she

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Speaker 1: views her career as both a personal sense of expression

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Speaker 1: and as a real responsibility. Because with a platform comes privilege,

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Speaker 1: and Lake is so amazing at mobilizing her privilege for

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Speaker 1: others in really beautiful and inclusive ways. Let's dive in

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Speaker 1: with Lake Bell. I was reading so many articles about

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Speaker 1: your audiobook because it fascinates me. And also I feel

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Speaker 1: like I needed to go back in time a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And when you were talking about having a voice, like

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Speaker 1: you have a voice similar to I'll.

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Speaker 2: Say you yeah, you were on the list of unique voices.

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Speaker 1: Well just in terms of what it was like as

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I was like, oh my god, same girl.

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Speaker 1: I feel it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think it. I think, you know, definitely,

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Speaker 2: it's more. It affects more than you realize. I think

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Speaker 2: it's like, sure, you can look a certain way, you

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Speaker 2: can imbue a certain amount of qualities that isuesque, but

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Speaker 2: then if your sound is different, there's like a juna

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Speaker 2: sequa that might or either get you the role or

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Speaker 2: not get you the role. Yeah, or have someone even

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Speaker 2: in an interview situation or a meeting a potential partner

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Speaker 2: for the first time, you know, whatever it is, you're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: we're either going to get along or not. I mean

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Speaker 2: for me, I you know, there's like a vocal chemistry.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, that happens that I can be highly

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Speaker 2: adverse to certain sounds. Also because my ears, I think

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Speaker 2: are I call. I say to my kids, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I have wolf hearing, so you got to take it

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Speaker 2: down or not. It's the same sensitive sensitive hearing, yeah,

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Speaker 2: which means I'm like picking up on all kinds of

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Speaker 2: are you know, what's also what's not there, you know,

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Speaker 2: resonance or like being really tinny, you know, and like pushing.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, where's your breath? You know?

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, like I science of sound and.

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Speaker 2: Science of sound and the kind of emotional uh sort

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Speaker 2: of qualities that I think really either pull you to someone.

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Speaker 2: It's like a magnet, you know. You hear someone's sound

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Speaker 2: and you're like, Ooh, I'm attracted to that sound, or

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Speaker 2: I'm oh god, I'm just repelled by that sound, yeah,

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Speaker 2: which is like sorry, but you know, it just is

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Speaker 2: you know, totally.

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Speaker 1: I love that well. And I think about particularly that

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Speaker 1: the height of sort of sexy baby voice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that like Paris hilt any sound Shurtney spears very sexy,

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Speaker 2: very young, very yeah, vile.

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Speaker 1: And I remember I can't recall. I think it must

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Speaker 1: have been the maybe the second or third season that

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Speaker 1: we were doing One Tree Hill in Wilmington. You came

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Speaker 1: to do your show.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: We were there together, yes, and I remember hanging out

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Speaker 1: with you. I don't remember if it was the apartment

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Speaker 1: you were in or one of your castmates that used

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Speaker 1: to be Dennis Hoppers. It was yours, and I remember

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Speaker 1: just being like, this girl is so cool and I'm

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Speaker 1: so excited to be her friend. And then your show

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Speaker 1: moved on and then I was there, which was great,

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Speaker 1: excited years later to see you again and be like,

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Speaker 2: It is. It's it's interesting. And your sound has just

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Speaker 2: now that i'm thinking about your sound, your sound and

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Speaker 2: my sound both have evolved. Like if we took a

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Speaker 2: clip of us during those earlier years in Williamsburg, Williamton.

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Speaker 3: What is it, Wilmington, Wilmington, I'm like, Williamsburg Williamsburg would

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Speaker 2: No, in Wilmington, you know, I bet those sounds have

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Speaker 2: you know, you know, the just the color of life,

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Speaker 2: you know has occurred where more rasp has coming out,

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Speaker 2: aware of my sound being a little more juicy and

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Speaker 2: kind of just you know, talking to my daughter. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: that's enough, you know, Like maybe I'm not supporting my

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Speaker 2: But you know, I think all of those things are

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Speaker 2: just so sexy to me, Like you turned me on

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Speaker 2: so much. I love the things that we don't notice,

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Speaker 2: you know. And so if we looked back on and

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Speaker 2: ipekay would sound different than they are right now.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I would love Well. That sort of

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Speaker 1: leads me to the question I normally start with with guests,

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Speaker 1: because you know, you come in, you're promoting something, You've written, something,

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Speaker 1: you have a film coming out, whatever it is. You

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Speaker 1: have this gorgeous career and listeners know you as this person.

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Speaker 1: And I always am curious if you got to go

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Speaker 1: back in time and hang out with yourself when you

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Speaker 1: were a kid, maybe when you were your daughter's age,

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Speaker 1: would you see yourself in that little version of you?

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Speaker 1: And because it's you, I also want to know, was

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Speaker 2: Yes, so I have to say I was like unabashedly

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Speaker 2: And I used to put on these at Nova's age,

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Speaker 2: put on voices and you know, play Harry Bellefonte and

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Speaker 2: you know, musical number. But definitely interested in from an

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Speaker 2: surrounded by, whether you like it or not, just sounds

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Where do you think that bug came from?

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Speaker 1: When did you know you were studying people because you

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Speaker 1: wanted to play people?

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Speaker 2: I think it was super early. I knew I wanted

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Speaker 2: in the eighties growing up in the city, there was

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Speaker 2: so you know, he definitely would have lots of things

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Speaker 1: And so you did you have that? I think I

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Speaker 1: And then I think there was a period similarly to you,

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Speaker 1: because I'm also a night owl where I never wanted

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Speaker 1: mister ed like, I've truly been a grandfather for my

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Speaker 2: Really, do you like the show? Whatever show you guys

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And then I'd start doing like a, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: why don't you let me do the voices? Oh, like,

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Speaker 1: I'll give I'll give you a performances grandpa yeah and

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Speaker 1: was reading your reflections on how you became obsessed with

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Speaker 2: For sure, we would have stayed up till like two

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Speaker 1: really curious, loving words the way you do and grammar

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Speaker 1: the way you do. What were the things that Nova

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Speaker 1: started to say to you that made you realize, Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's a new phrase, that's a new way of thinking.

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Speaker 1: The way you experience your genetic makeup is something I

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Speaker 1: want to write down.

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Speaker 2: She there was a moment where she had a seizure

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Speaker 2: and she apologized for it, and I think that it

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Speaker 2: caused a massive reframe. Need to reframe the narrative of

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Speaker 2: epilepsy in our lives and in our family. This is

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Speaker 2: not something we apologize for. Right. Seizures, we explained to

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Speaker 2: her are electrical misfires really in the brain. That it's

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Speaker 2: simply that you know all of our brains are comprised

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Speaker 2: of this mysterious electrical energy that is hard to map

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Speaker 2: out precisely. So anyway, with Nova, you know, in explaining

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Speaker 2: these electrical systems, she sort of digested that as, Oh,

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Speaker 2: there's like this sparkling magic that's happening. So it's like

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Speaker 2: this sparkle, right, this like like this sparkler that occurs

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Speaker 2: because that's electrically, it looks electrical or something. It has

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Speaker 2: sort of personality of something that is sort of bright

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Speaker 2: and speck of light, you know, and it feels special.

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Speaker 2: It feels special, and it sounds special. So then her

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Speaker 2: explaining it to Peers is what I think got me

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Speaker 2: really excited to think about, Oh, how could I explain this?

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Speaker 2: How could I show this experience like Nova's experience, like

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Speaker 2: her experiential sort of flavors of how she feels what

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Speaker 2: an epileptic epileptic convulsion feels like. That's interesting too, you know.

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Speaker 2: She would start to explain to me yo with this,

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Speaker 2: because I'd ask, I'm like, what does it feel like?

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Speaker 2: I'm just curious. I've never had one. Yeah, So here

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Speaker 2: you are a six year old, You're experiencing something I

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Speaker 2: have never experienced. And she's like okay, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: and she would explain that there was kind of a

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Speaker 2: tingling in her mouth, so sparkling in the mouth kind of,

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Speaker 2: and then that things go black and that she doesn't

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Speaker 2: then she says she's out, and then she comes back

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Speaker 2: and all of her body is tired. So it was like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: this is such such great information. Wow, And then we

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Speaker 2: started talking about it in this way of like this,

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Speaker 2: you don't have to apologize for this. This means you're

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Speaker 2: just operating on a level of you are like a shaman,

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Speaker 2: like you are when you have these sparkles, you gotta

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Speaker 2: let me know because that means you're sparkling more magic

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Speaker 2: than I am right now, and maybe everyone in the

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Speaker 2: room or maybe anyone on the block. So let me know, girl,

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Speaker 2: because when you're sparkling, like because I had to write

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Speaker 2: it down anyway in a log. Yeah, So when she

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Speaker 2: would feel them come on, because some seizures, just so

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Speaker 2: you know, are like not all the big fancy grand

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Speaker 2: mal ones where you fall down and it's a whole thing.

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Speaker 2: There's also myoclonic seizures, which were the little mini ones

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Speaker 2: that she would get, which were more stuttered in the mouth,

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Speaker 2: so you like that. Yes, So when you're trying to

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Speaker 2: experience say something and it it it trips up, it

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Speaker 2: looks like an electrical uh yeah, fl miss flip.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So she would have those And then that was really

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Speaker 2: interesting because I was like, oh, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for letting me know that you had a mini you know,

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Speaker 2: she'd be like, I'm just like really smart today.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, oh, do you know?

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Speaker 2: So it became that instead of sorry.

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Speaker 1: But what an amazing thing that you, as a parent

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Speaker 1: were not only able to reframe it to get her

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Speaker 1: out of the feeling of needing to apologize for herself,

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Speaker 1: you know, because we all know the crazy research about

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Speaker 1: how much women say sorry all the time. So to

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Speaker 1: help stop that impulse, but also to take the fear

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Speaker 1: away for her, because you are you turning this into

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Speaker 1: something sparkly, letting her know she's doing something and you

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Speaker 1: want to know about it, and to take that what

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Speaker 1: I would imagine at first caused a lot of terror

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Speaker 1: and anxiety for your child, and to help her feel

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Speaker 1: powerful in her body instead like makes me want to sob.

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Speaker 2: It's what the book is about. So it's like it

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Speaker 2: me too. I mean the second I saw her shift

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Speaker 2: her perception of seizures and report one to me while

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Speaker 2: she was in the other room, come running in and say,

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Speaker 2: I'm smart today, you know, like I'm fired on all cylinders.

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Speaker 2: You know. It's like, oh you have a mini all

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Speaker 2: right girl, like a shoot. You know. Was such a

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Speaker 2: great moment. And so I think that the book with

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Speaker 2: that same respect of our neurological differences that we all

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Speaker 2: imbue in some shade. And my own feeling is like

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Speaker 2: I said to Nova. I say to Nova all the time,

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Speaker 2: like everybody's walking around here, and everybody's got a thing,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You don't see it, but

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Speaker 2: they've got it some shade of something. Of course, I'm dyslexic,

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Speaker 2: like not running around going on.

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Speaker 1: As an adult, I got diagnosed with ADHD. Or He's like, wow, okay,

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Speaker 1: so does a lot of things really make more sense

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Speaker 1: for me? I wish I'd knowne this as a kid. Sure,

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Speaker 1: maybe I didn't have to white knuckle through the like

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Speaker 1: overachieving tendency of my neurospiciness mixed with like growing up

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Speaker 1: with an immigrant dad. Okay, but that that was so

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Speaker 1: special even for me as an adult reading the book

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Speaker 1: as nova opens up for our listeners at home to

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Speaker 1: her class. In this beautiful children's book, so many other

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Speaker 1: kids in the class begin to share their thing and

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Speaker 1: to read about her classmate sharing about her ADHD. I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I needed this book. It

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Speaker 1: made me feel so emo even in my adult body.

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Speaker 1: And what it really, I think beautifully reminds readers of,

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Speaker 1: is this thing you're saying that you remind your kid

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Speaker 1: in the world that everyone's got their own particular brain.

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Speaker 1: And I find it really refreshing in a time to

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Speaker 1: relate to our earlier conversation, which might sound sad, but

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Speaker 1: I think is actually really beautiful. In a time when

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Speaker 1: our exceptional leaps in our medical and psychological practices mean

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Speaker 1: that more and more people learn what their thing is

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Speaker 1: are advancements. Our ability to see people is actually being attacked,

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Speaker 1: and it's being scapegoaded so that people who want to

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Speaker 1: make a bunch of money selling you non approved vitamins

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Speaker 1: can convince you not to get the vaccine that you need.

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Speaker 1: It drives me crazy, you know, because people want to

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Speaker 1: talk about that, but they don't want to talk about

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Speaker 1: the fact they you know, they like to say, oh,

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Speaker 1: pharmacy pharma is a billion dollar a year industry, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, the supplement industry is over four billion

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Speaker 1: dollars a year. So who do you think is grifting?

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Speaker 1: The doctors or the people who don't have to adhere

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Speaker 1: to medical standards. So it's like, for me, it hit home.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're not talking about politics in the book,

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Speaker 1: You're you're in a kid's classroom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who we talk about meds. We talk about medication exactly.

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Speaker 1: And what I loved is that without having to get

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Speaker 1: overtly political, what you're doing as a mom is celebrating

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Speaker 1: your own kid and everyone else's kids for whatever they

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Speaker 1: are and how lucky they are to know what they are.

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Speaker 1: Whether they have anxiety, or one kid is on the

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Speaker 1: autism spectrum, or your kid has epilepsy or another kid

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Speaker 1: has ADHD. They are being celebrated for the ways they

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Speaker 1: see their world, their friends, their classroom, their teacher, and

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Speaker 1: I just like it really makes me want to cry.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, it's beautiful, Thank you. I appreciate that. I

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Speaker 2: feel like we are in a time where I think

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Speaker 2: what keeps me up at night is not understanding how

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Speaker 2: I mean the core of our humanity and what makes us.

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Speaker 2: Human is caring for other humans and being in community

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Speaker 2: with other bodies, regardless of their brains, their shapes, their colors.

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Speaker 2: It's like we're you know, I religions, and I feel

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Speaker 2: like anything short of ultimately you know I, anything short

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Speaker 2: of ultimate radical kindness and love is just like violent. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know. It's like I really look around and I'm

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Speaker 2: just like, you know, yes, my book has this generosity

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Speaker 2: of spirit as anything that I'm going to write in

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Speaker 2: my life will always have that because I think of,

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Speaker 2: you know, if I can impart anything, I mean, in

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Speaker 2: the lives of young minds, but also in parents as well.

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Speaker 2: I just feel exhausted with the idea that somehow it's

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Speaker 2: radical to be inclusive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. What strikes me constantly is this is the whole point,

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Speaker 1: the point of evolving as humans, of becoming a more

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Speaker 1: globally connected society, of having our most successful social media

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Speaker 1: app be for picture sharing so you can see where

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Speaker 1: and how other people live. The whole point is to

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Speaker 1: be nicer to each other. And people can sell this

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Speaker 1: really old world tribalism through fear, and I'm like, wouldn't

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Speaker 1: it be so much nicer for us all to not

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Speaker 1: be afraid and just I don't know, be able to

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Speaker 1: go to the doctor and breathe clean air. Like doesn't

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Speaker 1: that just sound better?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I was just talking about this with

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Speaker 2: the friend of mine who's an activist, and it's like, I,

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Speaker 2: you know, the systems, you know, It's like, uh, we

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Speaker 2: want to burn the systems down. I'm like, the systems

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Speaker 2: are like a knot. It's like your hair. It's like

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Speaker 2: knotted hair. They're tiny, tiny not It's not like you

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Speaker 2: can sit down in an afternoon and kind of like

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Speaker 2: undo them, right, And there's thousands and millions of them,

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Speaker 2: these systems, you know. Yes, so we have to be

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Speaker 2: within the systems radically conscientious and active and and kind

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Speaker 2: and and unrelent you know, relentless with our radical compassion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think about it. You know. The difference, I

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Speaker 1: would say from becoming an activist in my twenties and

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Speaker 1: the version of that for me today is to use

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Speaker 1: your not analogy. It's not just that it's knotted like

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Speaker 1: your hair. It's your hair. If you burn it down,

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Speaker 1: you burn with it. And so the most radical kind

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Speaker 1: of care is to sit with people and help them

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Speaker 1: untake And I actually think that when you're younger and

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Speaker 1: less patient. The idea of burning a whole system down

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Speaker 1: sounds cool, but when you as you get older and

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Speaker 1: you actually learn to hold more things to be true

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Speaker 1: at the same time.

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Speaker 2: The nuanced For sure, the nuance matters.

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Speaker 1: And actually the way to be radical is to stay

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Speaker 1: in the fight for your whole life. Yes, I think

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Speaker 1: about activism.

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Speaker 2: Using voice right, like coming back to voice.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but I think about activism as the longest marriage

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Speaker 1: I'll ever be in. Right, you know, I am dedicated

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Speaker 1: to this place and how we leave it for our

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Speaker 1: kids first and foremost. And if you treat your activism

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Speaker 1: like your greatest love story, it's also going to be

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Speaker 1: ugly sometimes it's going to be it's going to require

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Speaker 1: patience and.

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Speaker 2: Like dadding sometimes, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's that's what I want, And I you know, someone

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Speaker 1: Some might say it's ironic for two divorced women to

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Speaker 1: be sitting here having this conversation, but I actually think

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Speaker 1: it's part of how I how I came to that

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00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: analogy because I went, oh, I get it. This, this

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Speaker 1: is the thing that I will actually be the most

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Speaker 1: patient with. I'm much more willing to wake up one

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Speaker 1: day and say, oh, I'm in the wrong thing and

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Speaker 1: move along for myself, but for us, I'm like, oh no,

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Speaker 1: I am married to this country. You can't get rid

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Speaker 1: of me. I mean, you are stuck with me forever.

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Speaker 2: I'm married to I think. You know, it's interesting when

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Speaker 2: you talk about that, the activism. Well you say I'm

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Speaker 2: married to this country, right, and I'm like, I think

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Speaker 2: this planet. Maybe, yeah, maybe I'm married. I'm married to

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Speaker 2: the to the planet and to the you know, to

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Speaker 2: humanity right where it's like, I can't first of all,

646
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: I can't unsee what we've seen, right possible, And I

647
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: am in solidarity with you. I feel the same way.

648
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: I do think that, you know, I'm kind of thinking, like,

649
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: why why is it so ironic the two divorced women

650
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: talking about that. I actually think it makes all the

651
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: sense in the world, you know. I'm so grateful to

652
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: be in this space now at my age. I'm in

653
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: my forties, and I know who I am, and I

654
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: understand that that little activist was inside me my whole life,

655
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 2: you know, and showing up in different ways and feeling

656
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: like I wasn't invited to the party of active, I

657
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: wasn't even allowed to be participatory, and it didn't feel

658
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: like I I mean, my mom was definitely showing me

659
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: some forms of active activism. But I think that how

660
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: great that we get to write our own, our own

661
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: path and then use our voices to be betrothed to this,

662
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: you know, to the cause of all bodies, you know.

663
00:40:50,480 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: And now for our sponsors. So much of your work, inquity,

664
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: you have focused in our industry for women and with

665
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: women in Film and everything that you do. How did

666
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: you find that kind of home for yourself.

667
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: It's interesting. I've served on the board for nine years

668
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: and then I had to cycle out and Women in

669
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: Film and I had such a tremendous experience there, I

670
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: think realizing that obviously culture moves with culture, right, so

671
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: in order to in order to really move things from

672
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 2: you know, in a way that people alter how people

673
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: think or open the minds of how people think, we

674
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 2: have to utilize storytelling. And so it felt like Women

675
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: in Film was and is still an organization really worth

676
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: supporting because it's helping create culture. And so there are

677
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: these and also highlighting where they are massive inequities within

678
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: our industry, which is the industry that I love and

679
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: care about. I think as I've expanded and had to

680
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: cycle off of the board. I still support women in

681
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 2: film tremendously, and now I am I'm working with Women

682
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: for Women International, who I love, and I stay within

683
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: organizations that I think are empowering and building a positive

684
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: system of support for women in their communities where they

685
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 2: are marginalized, but also just without infrastructure. So I think

686
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: that's where my voice and life force energy lie. And

687
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: also I'm with you and looking around and seeing the

688
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: gross discrimination of our within our country and the pain

689
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: and oppression that has been here for since this country

690
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: was founded. That is just a loud and front and center.

691
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: Is it kind of crazy to you that we've essentially

692
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: had one generation of virtual I'm not going to say

693
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: actual equity for men and women, but like closer than

694
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: ever before. You know, like my mom couldn't get a

695
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: credit card without a man's permission until nineteen seventy four, right,

696
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: so we're really the first generation. You know, Granted, we

697
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: know women get funded less, you know, our movies get made,

698
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: love like anywhere. Whatever. We know, we know all the stats,

699
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: but I'm like, god, we just started to get like

700
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: a little bit of freedom. We had one generation of

701
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: us who could get a credit card and file for

702
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: a no fault divorce, and now y'all want to roll

703
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: it back. Are you that scared of us?

704
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean even you know, there is such

705
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: flagrant misogyny and white supremacy in this country that is

706
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: baked into the bedrock of so many of our systems

707
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 2: that it is like, I think, if anything, it's most

708
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: recent that the awakening of us all realizing, certainly as

709
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 2: white bodies, to realize that this has been going on

710
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: from day one. It's like when you have the privilege

711
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: of not you know, people who say, oh, you know,

712
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,439
Speaker 2: I'm not really political, and I'm like, well, that's because

713
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: the system is working for you.

714
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, you don't have to be.

715
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: That's a privilege to not be political. So I think

716
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: understanding that and being thoughtful and not being overly self righteous,

717
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: you know, but the idea that you're just like, I'm

718
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: aware and I'm wanting to be a part of educating

719
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 2: myself and being supportive of of real and true equity.

720
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and realizing that the scarcity mentality, yes, lie, And

721
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: when you feel like, oh god, if we achieve this,

722
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: will I lose?

723
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: That's what they want you to feel Yeah, I mean,

724
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,959
Speaker 2: and it's like, no, if we win, we all win. Yeah,

725
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: if if if some are not free, then we're not free.

726
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, because then it's just an illusion.

727
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's like, but you have to like really,

728
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 2: I mean certainly I think in our generation too, I

729
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: think that, like you said, there's this oh we got it,

730
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: we can we can vote, we can get.

731
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: Look, we won all these rights and now they're set.

732
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: It's like they're not set. We got to hold on

733
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: to them.

734
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: You gotta hold onto them. And then also be aware

735
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: that so many other marginalized groups are in a constant

736
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: state and have never still still not thriving. So it's like, god,

737
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: damn it. You know, it's like we have so much

738
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 2: work to do. But then as at least we have megaphones,

739
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: you know, And you know, I really try to even

740
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: in non megaphone ways, I try to like live my

741
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 2: values as I walk down the street and sit in

742
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: the subway and who who you know, like how I interact,

743
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: how I pick up the trash from the you know,

744
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 2: this old woman across the street, you know, like trying

745
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: to show and also with my children, I'm like, yeah,

746
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: this is who we are, okay, it's like this is

747
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: where you're from, Okay, totally.

748
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's little things. It's like it's funny that

749
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: you say, you know, you pick up the trash or

750
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: you do this thing, you set an example when no

751
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: one's watching. Also because it's who you are, you live

752
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: your values. And the other day, I was on a

753
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: couple of planes last week and I had a layover

754
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: in Denver Flags. Yeah, you know, sick layover was great,

755
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: and I went to the restroom in the airport as

756
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: one does, and you know, it's like midday. The whole

757
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: countertop in between every sink is wet, and I had

758
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: like a three hour layover, and I got extra paper

759
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: towels and just started like drying up the countertop and

760
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: I saw this woman at the other end of the

761
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: counter like kind of look at me, and I saw

762
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: her pause. I was doing the thing where I was

763
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: really watching out of my peripheral, which I think I've

764
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: gotten good at, because it's like on set, I need

765
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: to know when the person I'm not supposed to see

766
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: is coming, so I turned at the correct time for camera,

767
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: you know, to not get the shot. And so it's

768
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: so stupid, but I'm like, ooh, I have a really

769
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: wide per here, and I like see her and she

770
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: takes a beat and then she gets a couple of

771
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: paper towels and starts drying, and we literally met in

772
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: the middle of the counter and looked at each other

773
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: and just nodded and like went about our day. It was, oh,

774
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: girlhood is my It's like just my joy the countertops.

775
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: We were like, you know, we did it. We did

776
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: a nice thing, and nobody saw us, but I saw

777
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: you and you saw me, and this is cool.

778
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 2: And it's like she's a huge one tree hill fanto.

779
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: By the way, if she was, she played it so cool.

780
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but like, it's just little things

781
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: are capable of having such a ripple effect and you

782
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: can pause and be generous in your space at any time.

783
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 2: It's it's so true, and I feel like, look, not

784
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 2: every day. Some days you're going to be like I'm

785
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: pissy today.

786
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: Some days you're the nightmare person at the airport, like

787
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: we try.

788
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: But but for the majority of the time, yeah, I mean,

789
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: you know, people I say to my kids too, I'm

790
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: like ninety nine point nine percent of the people as

791
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: you walk down the street are good. Yeah they are.

792
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just telling you there's a you know,

793
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 2: zero point one percent okay that are like born bad.

794
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know whatever that means, and it

795
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: means we'd be like, you know, they want to harm

796
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: or something. But otherwise, I mean, people are pretty good.

797
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 2: They're gonna look different than you. They might have differences,

798
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: like you got differences, and it's okay. I'm just telling

799
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: you you don't have to like fear the world. Yeah, okay,

800
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: because this is the problem we're growing up because I

801
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: have to. I have to manage myself as well. Where

802
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, how do I not fear the world?

803
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 2: The world? You know, we have so much anxiety. We're

804
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: reading in the news and you're just like, there's a

805
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 2: thousand ways to die today, Yeah for everyone. Yeah, and

806
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: it's just like Jesus Christ and.

807
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: You gotta combat it.

808
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: But do you take a nap?

809
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: Then once a month you get you.

810
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 2: Take a month, you take well maybe once a week

811
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: if you can't month.

812
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: I think it's really cool though, that you It sounds

813
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: to me like you are constantly able to claim the good,

814
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: not just for yourself, but because you're also modeling it

815
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: for your kids.

816
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's kids. But then it's also like, oh,

817
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: like you said, you guys were wiping down those counters,

818
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 2: and there's just something about that woman's gonna then walk

819
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: on to hurt. You felt better, right that you had

820
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 2: a comrade in that, and you I believe in society

821
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 2: and yeah, I'm like, see people are good. Yeah, so

822
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: you're having that feeling, she's having that feeling. Yeah, and

823
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 2: then she's gonna you know, that's gonna ripple, like you

824
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: said to the person she's sitting next to, you know,

825
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 2: in Denver or whatever. So the point is, I'm with you.

826
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 2: I think that when you feel helpless, it's like, yes,

827
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 2: you're gonna do all the thing. You're going to go

828
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: to the protest. You're gonna go you know, you're gonna

829
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 2: call your representative. You're going to you know, write a

830
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: check if you can. You're gonna buy a T shirt

831
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: and support of X, Y or Z, and then you're

832
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: gonna pick up that piece of trash. You're gonna wipe

833
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: down a counter, You're gonna smile, you're gonna have a

834
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: conver Like I had a conversation with a guy who

835
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 2: came onto the subway and just was immediately like wanted

836
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 2: to start talking about the subway cars and the models

837
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 2: of the subway cars. He clear he's a delivery guy,

838
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 2: but he boy, he had all the answers.

839
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: Sounds like the little boy in your book.

840
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 2: Yes, totally, Yeah, there was totally. And I was thinking,

841
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: you know, I'm always under the impression that like, since

842
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: I have some neurodiversity, you have some everybody in this

843
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 2: room has some nerd adversity. They're looking at us rabbits.

844
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: But the point is like the whole you know, this

845
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: man walks in clearly like he's got some stuff going on,

846
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: and I'm like, let's get into it. It's like I

847
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 2: was like, you're kidding me. This was born Okay, so

848
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 2: these were made in Japan. What parts were we to

849
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: j We just went into it, put down my book

850
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: and we just like had a great conversation, and you know,

851
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: the New Yorker and me is like, this is what

852
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 2: I fall in love with New York every time I'm

853
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: here for that reason, because too you can you can

854
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 2: you can like participate with the city, or you can

855
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 2: sit back.

856
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 3: It's there for the taking. Well, you can engage or

857
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 3: watch totally. And I like that you can do whatever

858
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Speaker 3: you would ever given day. And I like that you

859
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Speaker 3: got the encyclopedic coverage. The subway cars, I.

860
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Speaker 2: Really didn't realize. I was like, oh yeah, the ones

861
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Speaker 2: with the orange and the yellow seats. That's different making

862
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 2: model right, And it's like, oh yeah, yeah.

863
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I had to really get Those are my

864
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: favorite the like seventies technicolor or something like cars are

865
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Speaker 1: my favorite ones.

866
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Speaker 2: Those are usually yeah, those go deep.

867
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Speaker 1: I love it. Okay, we have to take a subway

868
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Speaker 1: ride before you go home.

869
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Speaker 2: Indeed, and I'm going to do it tonight awest for

870
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 2: this same.

871
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Speaker 1: So tech tell the people. I know we're coming up

872
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 1: on time, because my poor producer is like, ladies, you're

873
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: not at lunch. Stop talking, but tell the people where

874
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 1: to find the book, where to find the audio book,

875
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: even though I know it's been a minute since it

876
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: came out, but it's my favorite, and about the new show,

877
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: and then I promise I'll let you go on the subway.

878
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 2: So first, All About Brains is the children's book that

879
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,479
Speaker 2: you can purchase on pretty much any bookseller right now,

880
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: also at Simon and Schuster Kids. But then, yeah, I

881
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: mean you could go into the Barnes and Nobles as

882
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 2: it were. You could go on a mega site which

883
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: I will not even mention, go to bookshop. Yeah, you

884
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: can go to Libro or whatever. But yeah, you can

885
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 2: go to a multitude of local small bookshops and.

886
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 1: The Strand if you're in Manhattan one of the best. Yeah.

887
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually it's kind of it's everywhere and that,

888
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 2: and I highly recommend it. And the age range because

889
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: a lot of people ask me that it's anywhere from

890
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 2: like four years old to twelve basically, but obviously you

891
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: also enjoyed it. Yeah you're a full grown woman.

892
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it made me cry, so that's cool. The age

893
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Speaker 1: range goes well past forty two.

894
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Speaker 2: Everyone past forty two. So, and then Inside Voice with

895
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Speaker 2: How We Sound is an audiobook that I highly recommend

896
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 2: it with Pushkin. It's still available with Malcolm Gladwell's Pushkin,

897
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 2: but also on I believe, on Audible and anywhere you

898
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 2: can get your sort of audiobooks. So that's a fun listen,

899
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 2: lots of really exciting interviews and whatnot with some of

900
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: the most iconic voices. And then the show that I'm

901
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 2: doing is called The Chair Company with Tim Robinson, great

902
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: comedian that I adore, and I'm so jazzed to be

903
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 2: a part of this series. It comes out on HBO

904
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Speaker 2: in the fall.

905
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Speaker 1: Can't wait. Yeah, I'm so excited. So we're caught up

906
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Speaker 1: on all of the work. And for my last question

907
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Speaker 1: for you, it can be a work thing, but it

908
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: might also be a personal thing. You've got a lot

909
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 1: kind of cooking at the moment. When you look at

910
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: the sort of landscape of life right now, what feels

911
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Speaker 1: like you're work in progress?

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Speaker 2: My work in progress will be forever being a parent,

913
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Speaker 2: I think being an activist. Those two are in me,

914
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Speaker 2: whether I like it or not, on a cellular level,

915
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 2: on a daily from the second I wake up in

916
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Speaker 2: the morning, as I go to sleep, and I you know,

917
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 2: these are the those are the two tenants of my

918
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Speaker 2: work in progress as a person. I would say as

919
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Speaker 2: a woman, but I think just as a person, and

920
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Speaker 2: so I know they're both a privilege to you know,

921
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Speaker 2: the privilege as you spoke of, to evolve, but really

922
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Speaker 2: to evolve within these tenets of activism and mothering and

923
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Speaker 2: being what it is to be a present. And I'm

924
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Speaker 2: not going to say good mother, because I think that's unfair.

925
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Speaker 2: I think just to be a present mother with love,

926
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Speaker 2: you know, mm hmm. And I'll lets you know if

927
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Speaker 2: that changes at all.

928
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Speaker 1: I think it's really beautiful. Thank you God.

929
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Speaker 2: I got a stretch