Speaker 1: The Craig Ferguson Fancy Rascal Stand Up Tour continues throughout
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 1: My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast
Speaker 1: is Joy. I talk to interest in people about what
Speaker 1: brings them happiness. Today we are blessed, my friends, blessed
Speaker 1: because we're in the company of one of the nicest
Speaker 1: guys in show business. He wrote one of the greatest,
Speaker 1: most gentle, but beautiful sitcoms. Everybody loves Raymond, and now
Speaker 1: he travels the world eating whatever the hell he wants.
Speaker 2: Somebody feed film roast. Whenever I see your TV whatever,
Speaker 2: I see your shows, You're like, you're always eating, yes,
Speaker 2: and you're sitting right here. I mean, there's not a
Speaker 2: scrap affair on you. You must like work out all
Speaker 2: the time. I work out every day. Do you really
Speaker 2: do something every day? I try to get the ten
Speaker 2: thousand steps and all that kind of stuff. I walk
Speaker 2: a lot and I do weights. The older you get
Speaker 2: the more you do it right, musclemans. Yeah, push ups
Speaker 2: and set ups is what I do. I figured in
Speaker 2: fine shape. Yeah, yeah, that's what I figure is like
Speaker 2: push ups and setups.
Speaker 1: That hotels, it's easier to just push out set ups
Speaker 1: cal standings.
Speaker 2: Yes, you don't have to worry. You don't do you
Speaker 2: like the hotel gym? You know, I'm a jeremaphone, fella.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're well, no, I'm not a
Speaker 2: mag jeremaphione. But how he meant o, No, I know
Speaker 2: how he's how he's a different level, how he has
Speaker 2: I think how he lives in the house from when
Speaker 2: his kids get in the world. Well when when he's
Speaker 2: telling me when his kids get sick, yeah they were young. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he would go and stay in the guest house. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, No, that's the thing that well he's really admits.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, but he's such a sweet greatly he's the
Speaker 2: nicest guys that show business. He can have whatever quirks.
Speaker 2: Nobody's perfect, No, nobody is perfect. But let me just
Speaker 2: tell you. First of all, let me just say muzzletof.
Speaker 1: On your you and your daughter's book getting in the
Speaker 1: New York Times bestsellingest Try?
Speaker 2: Is that a book to like to help make kids
Speaker 2: eat things a little bit? Yeah, but it's funny that
Speaker 2: we've been reading it to kids, and then we started
Speaker 2: realizing there's a lot of adults who won't try stuff.
Speaker 2: It's all about having an open mind, so we think,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe it's good for the parents to read it.
Speaker 2: It is right because people do it. They're like, no,
Speaker 2: I don't like that. You ever had it? I never
Speaker 2: had it, but I don't like it. I know people
Speaker 2: do you know people like this? They haven't had fundamental
Speaker 2: things that you would think, how could you avoid? Like
Speaker 2: I knew grown men like older than us, right, never
Speaker 2: had a cookie? Cookie a cookie, never had a piece
Speaker 2: of cake. This is true. That's some kind of homophobia
Speaker 2: from just after the war, Like I don't eat cake,
Speaker 2: that's what they were little kids. How do you go
Speaker 2: to children's birthday parties and avoid this stuff? And you
Speaker 2: know what he said, not interested? I just wasn't interested.
Speaker 2: That's a bigger problem than I'm not trying food. That's
Speaker 2: that's just some kind of shut down there. That's bad.
Speaker 1: But let me let me ask you this then, is
Speaker 1: there ever anything you've gone because you travel the world
Speaker 1: and you eat everything I've seen you have you ever gone?
Speaker 2: As you know, I just han't. I can't like fried
Speaker 2: Bees or something. So I was just in Iceland for
Speaker 2: the new season. Oh I've tasted that food up there.
Speaker 1: Jesus, that is that licorice tasting seal flipper ship. Only
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago, I and adventally bought the
Speaker 1: wrong thing in the airport lounge.
Speaker 2: I'm like it was some kind of licorice flipper. It
Speaker 2: was awful. It was all well, I actually found good food.
Speaker 2: But you know in Iceland, Yeah, talk to me when
Speaker 2: I go, right, I'm getting a lot of research done,
Speaker 2: not just from me, which anyone can do. You can
Speaker 2: google best restaurants in Raykevic, right, and I bet those
Speaker 2: good ones there are now, especially now, I maintain that
Speaker 2: you can get a good meal anywhere. Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably, I think you're right because the old days,
Speaker 1: because the internet, because yelp and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yes, but the internet made the world flat right that
Speaker 2: the kid Idaho can see what a chef in Paris
Speaker 2: is doing and emulate it and using local ingredients and
Speaker 2: create these mashes and things. Yeah, so Iceland, we had listen.
Speaker 2: I thought the best smoked salmon in the world was
Speaker 2: in Scotland. I thought Scottish smoke salmon, it is beautiful,
Speaker 2: is spectacular. It might be even better in Iceland because
Speaker 2: the water is colder there.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm prepared to I'm prepared to admit
Speaker 1: that it's a possibility.
Speaker 2: It's possible. Yeah, I think it is.
Speaker 1: And the next time I go to Iceland, I'm going
Speaker 1: to have the salmon. I'm not going to have whatever.
Speaker 1: Because I've tasted some bad things in my life. Iceland
Speaker 1: is one of them. Also Japan. I know all the
Speaker 1: Japanese food is great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but did you.
Speaker 1: Ever go to a sushi restaurant and think that tentacle
Speaker 1: thing can't do it?
Speaker 2: I can do it, you can, you can do all
Speaker 2: of it. Well, here's the thing I wouldn't try in Iceland.
Speaker 2: Putrefied shark. I think that's what I had. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: the worst thing I ever tasted. So that's like a
Speaker 2: dare that they did right. And what they do is
Speaker 2: there's a spirit that you drink after and I think
Speaker 2: I don't drink. I get it, So there's no reason
Speaker 2: for you to be eating this ship. I saw Bordain
Speaker 2: do it on his show and listen, he's the hero.
Speaker 2: He is the here's the carson of what you're he is.
Speaker 2: I only exist because of him, right, all of us
Speaker 2: who do this owe him the greatest in the world
Speaker 2: because he pioneered and revolutionized an entire genre, created the
Speaker 2: whole thing. Yes, he eats this putre fried Jark and
Speaker 2: throws up on camera. Wow. Now if Anthony Bourdain anything, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's true. I'm like, thank you for taking the hit
Speaker 2: for the rest of us, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1: I went to a place, uh, you know the documentary
Speaker 1: Gero Dreams of Sushi.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So when my my oldest son is thirteen, we went
Speaker 1: to Japan. Yes, because instead of as you know, as
Speaker 1: I kind of bat mets. Yes, mother is Jewish, so
Speaker 1: and so for you know, the Scottish bat Mets felt,
Speaker 1: we go to Japan.
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so we go to that restaurant, we go to
Speaker 1: the Jiro Yeah, and you know this, he's a sushi chef.
Speaker 1: He just he gives you what you're going to eat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here here's what you're getting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was like number eight. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm really fighting to get this done.
Speaker 1: Some of the stuff was amazing. It was delicious, but
Speaker 1: I was really trying to get this done and it
Speaker 1: was I think it was seven.
Speaker 2: Eggs or some little orange eggs. Yeah, it was really
Speaker 2: tough for you, really bad. A lot of it is
Speaker 2: a texture.
Speaker 1: Thing, right, Yeah, it was texture a thing, and it
Speaker 1: was the only thing that my son wouldn't eat. He
Speaker 1: just said, I can't do that, and through the interpreter,
Speaker 1: Master Ghiro said to me, that's good.
Speaker 2: One more for daddy. So I had to eat too,
Speaker 2: because you can't offend the chef. No, that's a lot
Speaker 2: of manners around this stuff.
Speaker 1: Do you find that going around the world that there's
Speaker 1: a lot of custom and you know, kind of behavior
Speaker 1: and politeness around it. There's a lot of ceremony around
Speaker 1: everybody's food.
Speaker 2: I am gonna taste anything put in front of me,
Speaker 2: but if I can avoid the scary thing, I will, right. So,
Speaker 2: like in Mexico, I was sitting at a counter at
Speaker 2: a Wahawkan restaurant. This is in the show, and I'm
Speaker 2: with my companion for this scene and the female chef
Speaker 2: she's giving us such gorgeous food. It's all fantastic. But
Speaker 2: what I've heard is that they serve iguana in this place,
Speaker 2: and I'm scared, and I say to my companion, I
Speaker 2: heard there's iguana here. If they give us iguana, are
Speaker 2: you gonna taste it? And she goes, I don't know,
Speaker 2: are you gonna taste it? And I'm like, you're Mexican,
Speaker 2: you're more used to this maybe than I am coming from.
Speaker 2: And the chef hears us. She says, oh, you want iguana,
Speaker 2: And I go, oh, so you get the iguana special
Speaker 2: and she shows it because she goes, there it is
Speaker 2: and it's sitting in a bowl on the counter and
Speaker 2: it's blackened already. You see the curly tail, you see
Speaker 2: the body, you see the face like this, and she goes,
Speaker 2: if you want it, it'll be another half hour to
Speaker 2: prepare it. We don't have time exactly what I did.
Speaker 2: Oh look at the time, and I pushed out and
Speaker 2: then she does this, Oh well, if you don't have
Speaker 2: time for that, how about this, And she reaches under
Speaker 2: the counter. You're gonna think I'm making this up. It's
Speaker 2: all in the show, and she pulls out a bowl
Speaker 2: of moving living beetles. I can't do that, and I
Speaker 2: don't want to offend I don't want to offend, So
Speaker 2: live my life not wanting to upset anybody, and God forbid,
Speaker 2: I should be just courteous, are rude. But what flew
Speaker 2: out of my mouth at that moment was oh no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no no no no no no no no no,
Speaker 2: and I ran away. Yeah good, You know what, You're
Speaker 2: a human being. You're allowed to have preferences, and it's
Speaker 2: not I don't think it's terrible manners to turn down
Speaker 2: live beetles. My friend was in China, rural China, not
Speaker 2: like a major city. But sure, he's the guest of honor.
Speaker 2: Why because he's American At a banquet. Yeah, they bring
Speaker 2: out a live, poisonous snake and they hold it up
Speaker 2: next to him. He's freaking out because they're holding it
Speaker 2: by the neck and the snake is wriggling. And they
Speaker 2: take out a knife and they slit open this live
Speaker 2: snake and they pull out the snake's gall bladder and
Speaker 2: squeeze it into a glass and give it to him
Speaker 2: to drink. Because he's the guest of honor. They're fucking
Speaker 2: with them. They're fugging with them. Come on, They're like,
Speaker 2: this is supposed to say, you're supposed to be have virility.
Speaker 2: If you drink this, you're supposed to have, you know, manliness.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can I get enough manliness? I go,
Speaker 2: how bad was it? He says, As bad as you
Speaker 2: can imagine. And the very worst part that I didn't
Speaker 2: even think about as I put it to my lips.
Speaker 2: The worst part was that it was warm. Can you imagine? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean I could get sick thinking about it.
Speaker 1: Well, also, I'm sure then you know we're going to
Speaker 1: get layers and emails as well.
Speaker 2: People will be like, that's cruel to snakes. Well, this
Speaker 2: is not what we do. No, no, we don't do it.
Speaker 2: We don't do in rural China snake though I have
Speaker 2: tasted rattlesnakes. It's not unpleasant. It's not my favorite. It's
Speaker 2: a little oily, A little yeah, it's like oily chicken. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought, like, like oily chicken. Taste gamy oily chick.
Speaker 2: Everybody says, taste like chicken. I'm like, in that case,
Speaker 2: could have chicken. Yeah, well, let's have chicken. No. When
Speaker 2: you were doing because look, when I became.
Speaker 1: Aware of you, you were the comedy, like you were
Speaker 1: one of the great gods. Of the comedy Sick Calm World.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, you know, everybody loves Raymond was
Speaker 1: like a huge show. You know, you and Raymond put
Speaker 1: it together. It's a great show. Thank you and I.
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, as a look at that now, I'm
Speaker 1: guessing that there is when you think about it, there
Speaker 1: is always like cooking and stuff going on. Everybody's kind
Speaker 1: of a big thing. It's a big thing in that show.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a card to me. It's a big thing
Speaker 2: in life. Life. Yeah, I found It's a long story.
Speaker 2: But my parents weren't great cooks. They worked, both worked,
Speaker 2: didn't have a lot of money. The cuisine in our
Speaker 2: house was cheap. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I grew up in Scotland, so I still went when
Speaker 1: it comes to fighting for the worst.
Speaker 2: My mom had a setting on the oven for shoe.
Speaker 2: This is how you know it's ready. Yeah, it's ready.
Speaker 2: It's ready, meaning all the flavor has been taken out
Speaker 2: and here it is. Yeah. So I didn't I didn't
Speaker 2: even think steak was something that was good until I
Speaker 2: was in my twenties. People said, you want to go
Speaker 2: to steak? Why would anybody want steak? Because I only
Speaker 2: had the worst of the worst tough chewie. I couldn't
Speaker 2: leave the table. Also, forget, just try it. At my house,
Speaker 2: it was just finish it. Yeah, you gotta finish it. Forget,
Speaker 2: just try it is like the Reform version. My house
Speaker 2: was the Orthodox version. Just finish it. So I couldn't
Speaker 2: I couldn't stand it. But I went reluctantly to this steakhouse.
Speaker 2: It was like New Year's even my head, I couldn't
Speaker 2: believe how great that's steak. I literally said, that steak.
Speaker 2: That's so. I wanted to take a picture and show
Speaker 2: it to my mother. Well, you know what's weird about
Speaker 2: it is because you would think, because.
Speaker 1: You're like, your love of food is palpable, and you're
Speaker 1: clearly very interested and drawn to all sorts of food.
Speaker 1: I would have thought it would have come in early
Speaker 1: in life, but clearly it didn't.
Speaker 2: Right, It wasn't like it wasn't until I left the house.
Speaker 2: I always loved I loved the fast food. I loved
Speaker 2: anything marketed to us right like McDonald's burger King all
Speaker 2: that stuff, because at least it had salt and fat
Speaker 2: and flavor. I didn't care it was artificial, blogoney. It
Speaker 2: was tasty, that made the difference. Yeah, and so I
Speaker 2: always pursued it. And whenever I did get anything from
Speaker 2: another place, like I went to Atlanta when I was nine,
Speaker 2: never went anywhere, went to Atlanta for a bar Mitzville.
Speaker 2: When I was nine, my cousins took me to a
Speaker 2: new place that I'd never heard of, called seven eleven.
Speaker 2: And I go to seven eleven and they have a
Speaker 2: slurpee machine. Oh yeah, first time for slurpee. I tasted
Speaker 2: this thing. I go, This is why you travel? Do
Speaker 2: you know what? This is? Why I travel?
Speaker 1: The reason I became an American. Yeah, when I was
Speaker 1: thirteen years old, my father and I come and visit
Speaker 1: my uncle and my aunt and their kids in New York.
Speaker 1: They live in Smithtown, Long Island. Yes, so I go
Speaker 1: from Scotland. I go to Smithtown, Long Islands when I'm thirteen.
Speaker 2: It's nineteen seventy five, right, yeah, And they take me
Speaker 2: to a bowling alley and someone gives me root beer
Speaker 2: from a fountain over crushed dice in a bowling alley
Speaker 2: and I never tasted it, never tasted my life. And
Speaker 2: I said, whatever this is, I want to be part
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 1: This is when I'm going to become an American when
Speaker 1: I taste over crushed ice in a bowling alley in
Speaker 1: Long Island.
Speaker 2: This is it. So I'm preaching the converted. I understand it, saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: of course, when you have an experience that you love
Speaker 2: somewhere else, it makes you fall in love with going places.
Speaker 1: Exactly, it makes you want to go there. The Craig
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Speaker 2: To be honest with me, have you ever been in
Speaker 2: a place and you've tasted a lot of different food
Speaker 2: and you thought, you know, I don't need to come back. Nope,
Speaker 2: that's great because there's always something good. I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: Good meal anywhere, now, all right, good meal anywhere. But
Speaker 2: but you got to do your homework. You got to
Speaker 2: research a little bit. Yeah. So I have something though
Speaker 2: that maybe you don't have, which is a production company
Speaker 2: in New York that was Bordain's production company. So they
Speaker 2: have fixers all over the world. And that so I
Speaker 2: say here's what I'm thinking, and they go, here's what
Speaker 2: you should be thinking. Here's the new and I leave
Speaker 2: room in the schedule for serendipity. We're gonna find stuff
Speaker 2: that a chef when we meet there, they'll go where
Speaker 2: you're going tomorrow and you'll tell me that that's not
Speaker 2: the best pizza. The best pizzas over here? All right?
Speaker 1: Okay, right, so you have to where is the best pizza?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think if you, as a guy who
Speaker 1: knows New York a little bit, where can I tell
Speaker 1: you something? I could name ten places right now in
Speaker 1: La that you can have great Moza.
Speaker 2: Moses Pizza, Pitsana. Have you had that? No quarter sheets? No,
Speaker 2: you see, I don't know much about La Pizza. Wi
Speaker 2: Can I take you? Yes? You're here right? Yeah, well
Speaker 2: I'm here until tomorrow morning. Oh so you either take
Speaker 2: me tonight or we're not going. Where are you living now?
Speaker 2: I'm in Scotland, yes, and in New York. We're in Scotland, uh,
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 1: Southwest, like like about an hour south of Glasgow. Okay,
Speaker 1: so Glasgow is in the new season. And we went
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you, I had a couple of meals
Speaker 1: there that are phenomenal. One was a great the best
Speaker 1: shawarma I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 2: Indian food is incredible in Alasco, the shwarma king, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: have you had it? Yeah? With Indian and Pakistani community
Speaker 2: in Glasgow. Yes, it's kind of like Italians or Jewish
Speaker 2: community in New York. They like they changed the game.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Is like when they
Speaker 2: came in. This man is Syrian. This is Syrian Syrian. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's Middle Eastern by that right, So I don't know
Speaker 2: about it. You. I thought it was like Indian shwarma
Speaker 2: swarma or maybe Jewish shwarma. Hey you get stop SCHWARMI
Speaker 2: swarma bee. Yeah you're crowded me. You're like a shwarma bees.
Speaker 2: So I think you'll like it, Yeah, I think. I
Speaker 2: I mean, I love Mediterranean food. I didn't know what
Speaker 2: it was called shwarma though, seeh I don't know. I
Speaker 2: just I know what I like. I know what well,
Speaker 2: I don't know what I like. But will you try
Speaker 2: new things? Definitely? Because I wrote a book for you, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I definitely.
Speaker 1: I mean, when my kids were little, getting them a
Speaker 1: try stuff, I understand hard. It is hard. Well, one
Speaker 1: of them was hard. I have two boys, one of
Speaker 1: them all even for like two years it was Annie's macaroni.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know, you couldn't really get. But they
Speaker 1: don't want to eat pretty much, Anthony. So this book,
Speaker 1: not that.
Speaker 2: I'm plugging the book, but the thing is, the kid,
Speaker 2: left on its own will eat, right, the kid, it's
Speaker 2: not gonna most people, you know, when they get hungry,
Speaker 2: they want to eat. They will lean and they will
Speaker 2: eat so and sometimes it's not about the food that
Speaker 2: they're pushing back on you. It's about asserting their personhood there.
Speaker 2: It's about having right. It's not really about the food observation.
Speaker 2: I think you're right, and left to their own, they
Speaker 2: might try it. And you know what, the kid that
Speaker 2: wouldn't eat was the first kid.
Speaker 1: And that's the one you're like, hereatatat oh baby, like you'll.
Speaker 2: Be fine, exactly right, and that kid ate more. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's funny. Then I think that's it. Yeah, And then
Speaker 2: I tell this to somebody who that's too much trouble.
Speaker 2: We just pay them. So what do you mean, here's
Speaker 2: twenty five cents if you think a bte what and
Speaker 2: that works? Yep?
Speaker 1: Well, I guess it would it's not a terrible idea.
Speaker 1: So you're in Glasgow and you have great swarm. Where
Speaker 1: ees do you have?
Speaker 2: I gotta look it up because I forget everything. But
Speaker 2: if you people listening, if you look at the Scotland episode,
Speaker 2: you'll see.
Speaker 1: The great Glasgow and Edin brown Ware else. I love Sky,
Speaker 1: I love Sky.
Speaker 2: Took a helicopter to I love Sky. Gorgeous. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's a beautiful place. It's really heavenly places. It is
Speaker 2: heavenly and I know it rains a lot of the time,
Speaker 2: but the sun broke when wed When the sun is
Speaker 2: it's absolutely magical. Yeah. So I have this website Phil
Speaker 2: Rosenthal World, right, and everywhere we go in the show
Speaker 2: is there.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to tell you now, tell me now
Speaker 1: what restaurants you go to, because I used to work
Speaker 1: in a restaurant in Glasgow, very famous restaurant in Glasgow.
Speaker 1: Okay that I don't know if Burdain went to or
Speaker 1: not when he did Glasgow, but he Burdaane liked Glasgow
Speaker 1: a law I remember because they talked about him still there.
Speaker 1: He said he he loved glass one of his favorite
Speaker 1: cities in the world.
Speaker 2: I love it. Good. Our friend Brad Paisley, you know him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he it's his favorite place city. He could move there
Speaker 2: and live there, really, yead Paisley. Yeah, Well the tone
Speaker 2: of Paisley is just on the other Maybe that's why
Speaker 2: he had Tantrum Donuts. All right. I've never been there,
Speaker 2: but I've heard him so good. Yeah uh yeah uh.
Speaker 2: In Edinburgh Rose Leaf, that's exciting. Uh. Johnny Walker Princess Street,
Speaker 2: we went there. Oink on Victoria Street in Edinbura. That's
Speaker 2: not a vegan restaurant, not at all, right, Okay. J
Speaker 2: mellis for cheese and stuff from Edinburgh. Mary's Milk Bar
Speaker 2: for ice cream, delightful. Okay, here we go Glasgow. Gaga Gaga,
Speaker 2: Lady Gaga is the restaurant. It's a wonderful place. Julie
Speaker 2: Lynn is the chef. I think I know about this.
Speaker 2: I've heard about this, so it's it's Malaysian food. Okay.
Speaker 2: I love that, absolutely fantastic. I think you'll love it.
Speaker 2: It's one of the great meals. And then that Schwarma King,
Speaker 2: Swarma King, it really made an effect. Landed with you.
Speaker 2: Shwarma King. Huh. I think it's the best one. I
Speaker 2: mean to find him I don't think to the Middle East.
Speaker 2: So what it is? You ever see those big in
Speaker 2: Mexico they're called Trumpo's, these giant the meat things of
Speaker 2: meat that's old layered. Yeah, exactly right, and then they
Speaker 2: trim off the sides. It rotates. That's real drunk people
Speaker 2: food in Britain, is it? Yeah? Like when you come
Speaker 2: out of the pub at eleven o'clock, Yes, you go
Speaker 2: get a kebab. It's like people think it's fish and chips.
Speaker 2: I guess there's fish and chips kebab. People get drunk
Speaker 2: and have a kebab because the kebab stores are open late. Yes,
Speaker 2: as everybody runs them as immigrants and they want to,
Speaker 2: you know, earn eleven and you can get a kebab.
Speaker 2: It's a I've woken up sick with kebab fever. Get it?
Speaker 2: I get it. But then they put that garlic mao
Speaker 2: on it. Yeah, it's beautiful. So is that sharma a kebab? Well,
Speaker 2: kebab I always think of as meat on a stick, right,
Speaker 2: that's right, But that's kebob. But kebab is like shwarma,
Speaker 2: I think, Is that right? I think?
Speaker 1: So maybe something like that. I know that in Bretton.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're calling it wrong in Brent maybe because I
Speaker 1: think you're right. I think technically kebob kebab. I think
Speaker 1: it is the thing on a skewer, but in Breton
Speaker 1: it's the peeda pocket with the shaved meat on it.
Speaker 2: Is kebab, is a kebba. They call it a kebab,
Speaker 2: but that's probably right. That's why I think, and I
Speaker 2: learned that I'm saying it wrong. Shwarma it's shawerma. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's like a whole like but this is from the
Speaker 2: Middle East. But then in Mexico when you get the
Speaker 2: taco saw pastor, Yeah, that came from the Middle East,
Speaker 2: except in Mexico they had pork instead of lamb so
Speaker 2: they didn't. Yes, like that, yeah came. So the whole
Speaker 2: world is better. That's my whole point. The whole world
Speaker 2: is better when we cross pollinate, when we when we
Speaker 2: get this food from the immigrants who learned how to
Speaker 2: take maybe cheaper cuts of food just to survive and
Speaker 2: turned it into not just something palatable but phenomenal. That's
Speaker 2: what makes the world go right. I agree.
Speaker 1: I like, I grew up in a town love Glasgow,
Speaker 1: which is you know, a Victorian ship building town. Yes,
Speaker 1: and the food, by the order mention of the people
Speaker 1: who lived there was atrocious. And what happened the first
Speaker 1: wave of immigrants to command are Italians. Italians bring in
Speaker 1: coffee and we taste coffee and.
Speaker 2: We're like, oh my god, this is good.
Speaker 1: I grew I grew up like I thought coffee was
Speaker 1: like you know, it was a powdered thing.
Speaker 2: You pourned God war on. So when is this happening? Well,
Speaker 2: the Italians ran way before, you know. But but when
Speaker 2: you go to Italian restaurants then they have like coffee machines.
Speaker 2: But the reason you go to an Italian restaurant because
Speaker 2: attached to the Italian restaurant is the fish and chip shop.
Speaker 2: And everybody buys fish and chips. People think fish and
Speaker 2: chips are British, not British, it's Italian.
Speaker 1: The Italians brought the fishing to the Italian restaurants in
Speaker 1: Glasgow anyway, it was fish and chips from Italy.
Speaker 2: They would make and making the fish and chips. They
Speaker 2: have Glasgow Glasgow Italian accents, so they talk about it
Speaker 2: like me. But also we about Battalian as well, like
Speaker 2: at that Wow, it's crazy. I love it.
Speaker 1: So they comme in and they start bringing in Italian food,
Speaker 1: so they're making past those and stuff. And then the
Speaker 1: Pakistanian Indian community come in in the sixties and seventies
Speaker 1: and then everything goes crazy. Then there's like, you know,
Speaker 1: the Italian restaurants and sorry, the Indian restaurants, the curries
Speaker 1: that people are not tasting these spices they've never had before, right,
Speaker 1: it's insane. And now there's quite a lot of particular
Speaker 1: in Glasgow is a huge Chinese influence.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of Chinese coming into the university. So
Speaker 2: there's a lot of new Chinese and Malaysian restaurants and
Speaker 2: stuff like that at the bottom end of Buyers Road,
Speaker 2: which I think is what you're talking about, near the university.
Speaker 2: And so all this cultural input I think improved the
Speaker 2: city beyond measure. Who is fighting this, like there's such
Speaker 2: an idiot that makes life grand? Yeah, you want to
Speaker 2: eat the same thing every day, fun to have not
Speaker 2: just food, but friends from other places that learn something God.
Speaker 1: Fromid I totally agree, but you know you and I
Speaker 1: are maybe not everybody.
Speaker 2: That's that's the thing. Let me just say there is
Speaker 2: one thing I've never tasted that.
Speaker 1: My wife has tasted when she was on a vacation
Speaker 1: when she before we met, she and some college friends
Speaker 1: went to South America.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they were offered guinea pig. They ate it,
Speaker 2: guinea pig served with the mouth open. Oh, I've seen
Speaker 2: I've seen it. I've never been to Peru, but I
Speaker 2: really do want to go. I'm probably gonna have to
Speaker 2: taste that. Yes, I am afraid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's like to me, disrespect to anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a rat.
Speaker 2: I had I think squirrel once. I know people eat squirrel.
Speaker 1: I have you know in rural Scotland some of the
Speaker 1: guys who you know came up there like they're deep.
Speaker 2: Guy.
Speaker 1: It's not like no regular people doing. But I do
Speaker 1: know a couple of guys. One of the guys who
Speaker 1: forester there, I know he was shooting.
Speaker 2: He a squirrel. Huh.
Speaker 1: You know, like you take a home cooking and the
Speaker 1: rural South of America. Yeah, the squirrel make of it
Speaker 1: and stuff like okay, and you know for me, but
Speaker 1: and he gets their little clothes.
Speaker 2: I was in Mumbai for the first time. Have you
Speaker 2: been there. I've never been a man lined dat, But
Speaker 2: it's for lancup. I've never been a minute. Do you
Speaker 2: like Indian food? I love the food, well, maybe my favorite.
Speaker 2: If it's your favorite, you have to go. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think you're right, But I will say this. The first stop.
Speaker 2: When we're shooting Mumbai, I've never been there in my life.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of afraid, right because people, you know, they
Speaker 2: do get a stomach thing when they go because they're
Speaker 2: not used to that, and the water and everything else
Speaker 2: is different, and you can get sick. And I was
Speaker 2: really worried about but I was assured that the guy
Speaker 2: taking me around knew the places that I would not
Speaker 2: get sick. Okay I didn't. You didn't get however, first stop,
Speaker 2: try this. What is it? Goat brain curry? Okay, that's
Speaker 2: a that's a lot for your first thing. Yeah, goat
Speaker 2: brain is any kind of brain. But I'll tell you this.
Speaker 2: I eat it. I taste it with bread. You sop
Speaker 2: it up. It's just like you got that bread. It's meat,
Speaker 2: meat in a sauce, right, right, right, You're right, you'd
Speaker 2: never know. It's the idea that keeps us away from stuff.
Speaker 1: But isn't that isn't that true of so many things
Speaker 1: that you get ahead of yourself with the idea.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, no, you're right. I had to eat drugs.
Speaker 2: I had to eat an ant in Tokyo. How many ads?
Speaker 2: Just one? I think I could eat one hand like
Speaker 2: a big black carpenter. And it came on the salad.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Uh, does this restaurant have a problem? Should
Speaker 2: we the people? So she called? Then was on the side.
Speaker 2: It's on the south that my patriot says, you got
Speaker 2: to try it tastes like lemon. I said, whoa, if
Speaker 2: it's lemon flavor, we're going after Yeah, why can't we
Speaker 2: go to have some lemon? We could have chicken with lemon,
Speaker 2: lemon chicken. Why do we have to have ant? But
Speaker 2: and I'm like shaking my head, like God, what did
Speaker 2: I get into with this show that I do for you?
Speaker 2: It's become a hole. But I tasted it, and damn
Speaker 2: if it wasn't like a lemon drop on my tongue,
Speaker 2: And I thought, Okay, did they based it in lemon?
Speaker 2: Is that? Why? Know? The chef says, these ants from
Speaker 2: this particular part of the forest and this particular part
Speaker 2: of Japan, these ants taste like lemon. Who the hell
Speaker 2: found this out?
Speaker 1: The first guy who's like really hungry, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm so hungry. Tastes like crap, this one taste. This
Speaker 1: one tastes like ant.
Speaker 2: I don't want that. This one tastes like lemon good one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so I'm now am I going to a restaurant
Speaker 2: and saying, hey, do you have the ants taste? Like? No,
Speaker 2: it's not the first thing I want when I go
Speaker 2: to the restaurant. But I'm glad I did it. The
Speaker 2: journey is its own reward, the tasting of it.
Speaker 1: Have you ever have you ever gone sick from Anthony
Speaker 1: on the road though one time I got sick in
Speaker 1: all my travels around the world San Francisco.
Speaker 2: What did you eat? Don't know? Okay, because I ate
Speaker 2: a lot that day and that night. We call it bush.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, bush like swarm out, bushes out the top
Speaker 2: end and goush.
Speaker 1: You can't imagine or other. I mean, I know I've
Speaker 1: been there. I go to once from smoked salmon. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's very bad smokes. It's very bad smoked salmon. I
Speaker 1: took it and I knew you know that sometimes when
Speaker 1: you eat something you got something right here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I muscled through you must never muscle through no,
Speaker 2: no somethings off, okay, step back, no. No. You can
Speaker 2: get a bad piece of fish and you know it instantly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I knew it, and I ate the fish because
Speaker 2: I didn't want to appear rude.
Speaker 1: I get it, and so I ate the fish. And
Speaker 1: about two hours later then I went on a ride.
Speaker 1: The last three days. It was crazy. I've never been
Speaker 1: so sick. And I used to love salmon, and I
Speaker 1: didn't eat salmon for about ten years after.
Speaker 2: When you get sick from a food, you never want
Speaker 2: that food.
Speaker 1: That's what it feels like, right I go. I mean,
Speaker 1: I although I tried oysters, and I never need to
Speaker 1: eat that. That ain't food. I don't know why people
Speaker 1: make such a fuss about that. Was a brave man
Speaker 1: who once tried an oyster. That's a famous saying, yes,
Speaker 1: that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Do you like oysters? I do you do. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you why they are. There's certain foods that are evocative
Speaker 2: of the place they come right right, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: that's how I felt when I had the Tallisker Scotch
Speaker 2: from the barrel out of Callisker and you're like.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm Scottish. But I gotta be oesty. Whiskey is
Speaker 1: not food. You understand that, right, I mean I know
Speaker 1: that these, but.
Speaker 2: There is a flavor. There's definitely a flavor. And you know,
Speaker 2: I know you don't drink, but well on onely because
Speaker 2: I drank some much because not because I'm against it,
Speaker 2: just because if I if I drink, I go to
Speaker 2: hospital or jail. That that's why I don't drink. I
Speaker 2: was with Peter o'tool once. Did you ever meet Peter?
Speaker 2: Had him on the old late night show The Greatest Guy?
Speaker 2: All right, so we can talk about him. But he
Speaker 2: he said, would you like something to drink? And I
Speaker 2: said I would? Are you drinking? He goes, I can drink,
Speaker 2: but my doctor says, if I do, I'll die. Yeah,
Speaker 2: God bless him. What a what a peach of a guy.
Speaker 2: He was amazed. But he was one of those legendary
Speaker 2: alcohol when alcoholism was more entertaining than perhaps. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's like, you know Richard Burton and Peter Rutoo. Wasn't
Speaker 2: he the greatest rack und Tour? Wasn't he? Just but
Speaker 2: you know him and Richard Richard.
Speaker 1: I was going to say as well, but I think
Speaker 1: probably there's a there's a great old I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's a poem or I think it's a poem,
Speaker 1: an old Irish thing about drinking. It's it's about so
Speaker 1: we spent another night and I'm a bit in the tavern.
Speaker 1: Oh no, we spent another rite telling poetry and proses.
Speaker 1: But each man knows he'll be alone when the sacred.
Speaker 2: Gin mill closes. Oh man.
Speaker 1: And alcoholism is not about the fun you're having in it.
Speaker 1: It's about four o'clock in the morning, in the fetal position,
Speaker 1: crying for your mother. Oh, it's a whole different game.
Speaker 2: And I don't think any of these guys were spared that.
Speaker 2: I think you've got to be honest about it. It was.
Speaker 2: It's hellacious if you if you can't do it, if
Speaker 2: you can do it, Like if I could drink, I
Speaker 2: would drink. And I can still make a recommendation for
Speaker 2: the best scotch. Which whiskey in my mind, and it's
Speaker 2: not Dallas Girl, which is a great whiskey. Tell me
Speaker 2: the greatest.
Speaker 1: One, to my mind is a whiskey called weirdly enough
Speaker 1: doesn't sound it sounds more like an Ellie neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Highland Park I know it. Highland Park's Yeah, get yourself
Speaker 2: a twelve or older year Highland Park.
Speaker 1: I would take that over even a beautiful Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. Over a towalskar or again, I.
Speaker 2: Love Glenn Livitt. Yeah, that's my go to it.
Speaker 1: Like you know, guses, you can have a glass of
Speaker 1: whiskey and then that's you're done.
Speaker 2: You enjoy the taste. And by the way, I'm also
Speaker 2: a flyweight. I have one and goodbye. Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that's me. But listen, I I'm in it for the flavor, right,
Speaker 2: And that's what means. You can have it.
Speaker 1: If you're in it for the flavor, you can have it.
Speaker 1: If you're in it for the medicine, for whatever missing
Speaker 1: in your soul, you can.
Speaker 2: I honestly don't like the feeling of being loopy in
Speaker 2: any way with anything that I don't like it. You know,
Speaker 2: you don't know what a mysa that as. That's unbelievable
Speaker 2: to have that really, yeah, because we all like an escape. Listen,
Speaker 2: I'll take, I'll take. My son has started making a
Speaker 2: business out of th HC laced cookies okay, okay, and
Speaker 2: it's a cookie mix called Zazas and you can pre
Speaker 2: make the batter and put the balls in the the
Speaker 2: the dough balls in the freezer, and then right before
Speaker 2: bed in the toaster oven for ten minutes, you have
Speaker 2: a fresh, hot baked chocolate chip cookie. And for me,
Speaker 2: it's not about getting high. Yeah, although you do start
Speaker 2: to feel it, maybe listen to a little music. Ah,
Speaker 2: you're in college again, and then lights out, good night,
Speaker 2: sleep through the night. That's why I take it. Well,
Speaker 2: see what's interesting about it?
Speaker 1: And that's great, yes, But the thing to remember about
Speaker 1: these things is they react differently with different people. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: because if I had that, I would be psychotic and
Speaker 1: I would need a drink, even at a low dose
Speaker 1: I have of one hundred percent because everyone dosage.
Speaker 2: That's why you're not seeing it. What's the word normalized?
Speaker 2: Not normalized when you try to regulate something and you
Speaker 2: have to have like a dose.
Speaker 1: A dosage thing, Oh yes, like yeah, you can't do
Speaker 1: that because everybody reacts. Everybody's different, right, And I'd tell
Speaker 1: you another thing, like when you and I were young,
Speaker 1: like when you said colleagues like there were drugs around
Speaker 1: and people experiment with drugs.
Speaker 2: And stuff like, you can't do that now and everything
Speaker 2: and everything. You could die. You could die, kids, I
Speaker 2: can die from a joint. Don't do that. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: It is crazy. I mean it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: it's everywhere. In college, we'd have what's called a nickel bag.
Speaker 2: It would last us the semester. Yeah, but one puff
Speaker 2: and lights out, lights out, You're done. Because of that,
Speaker 2: that strange stuff that I don't do it. I do.
Speaker 2: I use it only to sleep, and only once or
Speaker 2: twice a week at the most. Right, But it's good
Speaker 2: when you travel, I think, although you you got to
Speaker 2: be careful.
Speaker 1: I do that when I you know, because I famously
Speaker 1: carry a lot of guns.
Speaker 2: So like what what no, No, no, Well you're good
Speaker 2: at saying it straight, like no, but you got to
Speaker 2: be careful because people are different. Now here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I remember. Once I went to rural Morocco. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was out there. I can't really remember what I was
Speaker 2: doing out there, but I was out there. If you
Speaker 2: don't remember, you were doing something fun. But I actually
Speaker 2: I don't think I was drinking. In fact, I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure I wasn't drinking, but I was.
Speaker 1: It was a long time ago, and I remember I
Speaker 1: was with a girlfriend and we went to go, uh
Speaker 1: to a restaurant, and the guy at the door said,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you you have to go to separate parts
Speaker 1: of the restaurant. It's like the the uh we don't
Speaker 1: let men and women unless they're married sit together. So
Speaker 1: she had to go and sit with the single women,
Speaker 1: and I had to go and sit with the single dudes.
Speaker 1: And the married couples can sit in the middle.
Speaker 2: But you have to be married. Wow, I know. Interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was like a whole thing, and it kind of
Speaker 2: you know, I kind of liked it, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: advocating for I was like, oh, this is different. It's
Speaker 2: an hour. My girlfriend didn't like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she felt like she had been in some way insulted.
Speaker 2: A little bit.
Speaker 1: She felt wasn't She's a Western woman who was in
Speaker 1: a rural part of the world and the customs were different.
Speaker 2: You know, Listen, there's there's customs that all over the
Speaker 2: world where they have to lighten up a little, right,
Speaker 2: you know, you figure, I know, but yes, time goes on.
Speaker 2: Well if you ask people to lighten up, though, fell
Speaker 2: and they don't want to, you know, they want to
Speaker 2: hang on to some stuff. Have you ever run any
Speaker 2: trouble on the way, people like like, hey, you're an American.
Speaker 2: We're not crazy about you guys right now. No, I
Speaker 2: don't know how great it is to be Jewish at
Speaker 2: the moment. But who saw that coming? Not me? I meancking,
Speaker 2: I know, I'm like what, Yeah, I'm kind of like
Speaker 2: a freaking me out. Yes, so are you.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing the Palestinian restaurants. No, no, I have a
Speaker 1: scene in Dubai. We filmed it almost a year ago now,
Speaker 1: before the troubles. Yeah, I go in. There's a woman
Speaker 1: who is from I guess Gaza or the West Bank.
Speaker 1: She emigrated to Dubai, as many people do, because it's
Speaker 1: like eighty five percent immigrants Dubai.
Speaker 2: Have you been there. No, I've never been to Dubai.
Speaker 2: You drive down the street and you're like, oh, this
Speaker 2: is what Vegas would be if they had real money.
Speaker 2: I mean, just the unbelievable city of the future. I know,
Speaker 2: like Colp cars or Baghetti Vey runs and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine monorails running on both sides of the
Speaker 2: exactly right. But then there's old Dubai, which is only
Speaker 2: about fifty sixty years old. But that's where the Indian
Speaker 2: restaurants are, and the Palestinian restaurants are at all restaurants
Speaker 2: from all over the Middle East. So I have this
Speaker 2: meal with this Palestinian woman, and it connected so deeply
Speaker 2: to me in her story, and I just fell in
Speaker 2: love with her as a human being. And we got
Speaker 2: along so great that we got emotional. Where this is
Speaker 2: supposed to be our natural enemy. Yeah, gorgeous, wonderful experience,
Speaker 2: and all I can that's my answer to all of this. Well,
Speaker 2: why don't you sit and eat with these people? If
Speaker 2: we sat and ate, that's what they say break bread.
Speaker 2: Isn't that what you're talking about? You know, a conciliatory
Speaker 2: meeting you talk about You use the expression let's break
Speaker 2: bread exactly right, because it's something we automatically relate to
Speaker 2: because we all do it, no matter who we are. Well,
Speaker 2: we all got to do it. We all got to eat.
Speaker 2: And if the food is good, we're already connecting on
Speaker 2: something we understand that's wonderful, that we're already happy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're already happy. I can kill you because I'm happy
Speaker 2: eating with you. Yeah, Yeah, we're eating, and then we'll
Speaker 2: then there's enough for both of them and then if
Speaker 2: we share a joke or a laugh, now we're friends.
Speaker 2: That's what That's what I feel about it too.
Speaker 1: The humor and food obviously for you, very closely related,
Speaker 1: because yes, everybody's gonna I pitched this idea years ago.
Speaker 2: Yes, never came in.
Speaker 1: I was going to do this show where I would
Speaker 1: go anywhere in the world and do what you do
Speaker 1: with me. You said, do it with stand up like
Speaker 1: I would go to Japan and I'd learn and act
Speaker 1: fanatically and going try and do it what I mean.
Speaker 2: And I thought it would be really cool. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I could never say it. I don't know why. Hard
Speaker 2: to sell stuff, Yeah it is. Listen. Speaking of Peter O'Toole,
Speaker 2: I tried to do two pilots with him, no way
Speaker 2: he wanted. When he did a movie called King Ralph
Speaker 2: with John Goodman. I remember so John Goodman was taking
Speaker 2: a break during high his hiatus from Roseanne, the biggest
Speaker 2: sitcom at that time. I know. I've talked to Matt Williams,
Speaker 2: who was the one of the creators of it. Great, great,
Speaker 2: I would say, even groundbreaking show, amazing show. Show held
Speaker 2: up a mirror to an American living room, right, and
Speaker 2: what was going on it. I go as far as
Speaker 2: to say it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I was going to say, there's no Raymond without resign.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that's true because I think Raymond
Speaker 1: is also connected to all in the family.
Speaker 2: Older. Yeah, but certainly influenced in that. Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: part of it, for sure. I think definitely. Well, listen,
Speaker 2: we're only we stand on the shoulders of everyone who came.
Speaker 2: Of course, Peter O'Toole learns about how much money you
Speaker 2: can make making a sitcom and we get a phone
Speaker 2: call you'd like to do. This was a few years
Speaker 2: before Raymond. We got this guy was with a partner
Speaker 2: at the time. We get this call and we're like, hell, yeah,
Speaker 2: of course, I mean, he's huge fete. We write this
Speaker 2: thing for him. He likes it. He gives us notes.
Speaker 2: Best notes I ever got in my life from anyone
Speaker 2: were from him. Have you read his book, yes, Loitering
Speaker 2: with Intent? Yeah, but it was a long time since
Speaker 2: I read it. But you do remember then it was good? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I do, I do remember it. Okay, So we have him.
Speaker 2: He commits to it now and we're going and it's
Speaker 2: NBC and my phone rings and it's Judd Hirsh out
Speaker 2: of the blue. My god, I heard you doing a
Speaker 2: show with Peter o'tool. Yes, I'd like to be in it. Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's a great part of it.
Speaker 2: He goes, I don't care. I want to do it.
Speaker 2: So now NBC show Peter O'Toole, jud Hirsh. We start
Speaker 2: casting the other roles. My phone rings, it's NBC. We're
Speaker 2: in the middle of casting. Yes, the president of the
Speaker 2: network would rather not have someone with an accent on
Speaker 2: the network. This is fucking Warren Lttlefield, isn't it. It sounds
Speaker 2: like Warren. No, it's it was. I think the next
Speaker 2: one one after him, maybe, Yeah, we don't have to
Speaker 2: say who it is. I think I know who it is.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I know. And the show was dead
Speaker 2: just because of the accent. Imagine having to call him
Speaker 2: you did. I couldn't, so I just let the other
Speaker 2: people make up some story to him, and we stayed friends.
Speaker 2: We would go to London, my whole family. We would
Speaker 2: meet him for tea and we stayed friends. He would
Speaker 2: come to La visit us. He came to a movie
Speaker 2: night at my house. I said, can we show what
Speaker 2: movie of yours. Can we show? He goes, you show
Speaker 2: one of my films I won't be attending, and I said,
Speaker 2: what would you like to see? And he said, without hesitation,
Speaker 2: Carry Grant? I said, and is there a Carry Grant movie?
Speaker 2: And before I could finish that, he goes Talk of
Speaker 2: the Town? You know, say, of course it's great. So
Speaker 2: you know what it's about. Yeah, tell the people, no,
Speaker 2: you tell them it's it's Carry Grant? And uh, what's
Speaker 2: her name? Let me just look it up because I
Speaker 2: don't want to be disrespect But what happens is it's
Speaker 2: a lighthearted comedy and this is in the fifties, this movie,
Speaker 2: and then she gets an abortion. That's right, And that's
Speaker 2: the title of the film, Talk of the Town. Can
Speaker 2: you imagine in the nineteen fifties you couldn't do that
Speaker 2: movie today. He'd be in a lot of trouble. Talk. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's Geneaathon Ronald Coleman as well. Okay, so that that
Speaker 2: movie's phenomenal. I recommend it to people, so interesting and
Speaker 2: so funny. And when the movie's over, he leads a
Speaker 2: discussion the movie. For the twenty five people that are
Speaker 2: in my house watching this movie, that's great. It was
Speaker 2: very special thing to have had, really special. I also
Speaker 2: before the movie, I always show a music thing and
Speaker 2: I said to him, do you know who? Have you seen? Beyonce?
Speaker 2: He says, what is a Beyonce? And I put on
Speaker 2: the song, the famous song it. He is leaning forward
Speaker 2: with his jaw hanging open, laughing like he's seen the
Speaker 2: greatest thing he's ever seen in his life. I have
Speaker 2: to say my reaction when I first saw it was
Speaker 2: very similar. Cut to now. After Raymond. Someone presents me
Speaker 2: with a good idea for a show that has older
Speaker 2: people in it and younger people right together. I say,
Speaker 2: this is great. They say, you see this as a show. Yes,
Speaker 2: you want to take it out and try to sell
Speaker 2: it to the networks. I say no, because I've been
Speaker 2: through this now for many years, and I know what
Speaker 2: the networks will say. Can the younger people move in
Speaker 2: with younger, hotter people, They don't want the old people.
Speaker 2: But I said, but let's try it at the BBC, right,
Speaker 2: and let's call my friend because he should be the
Speaker 2: lead in this thing. He had just done Venus, remember
Speaker 2: that movie? He knew because he was on the late
Speaker 2: night show promoting it. How great was he in that
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean here he is an older eye.
Speaker 2: Now the comedy chops are still phenomenal, even the physical stuff.
Speaker 1: It was one of the actors in that movie. You know,
Speaker 1: Leslie Phillips who was also in that movie.
Speaker 2: He plays his.
Speaker 1: Friend in the movie at the end, which she says, oh,
Speaker 1: he was gorgeous when she's looking at the obituary, and he.
Speaker 2: Goes, yes, he was gorgeous. That actor.
Speaker 1: He was in a movie a nine years ago as well.
Speaker 1: There were a wonderful generation of actors amazing and he
Speaker 1: Leslie Phillips, who died recently. He was I think a
Speaker 1: hundred Leslie when Wow. But he didn't drink like pig.
Speaker 2: But I'm telling you, a gift to the world would
Speaker 2: be Peter o'tole just sitting here and talking about whatever
Speaker 2: he wants to talk about, unbelievable for an hour. It
Speaker 2: doesn't matter every week, Just there's Peter otold here, having
Speaker 2: a drink with him or just chatting with him, just
Speaker 2: would be a gift. We write the script, Yeah, they say, Okay,
Speaker 2: will mister O'Toole read I said, read read like audition. Yes,
Speaker 2: Peter tool, Yes, are your mind? I said here's his audition.
Speaker 2: Lawrence of Arabia is his audition the Ruling Class. Yes, man,
Speaker 2: stop cat man. Yeah, my favorite year. Yeah, my favorite year.
Speaker 2: Perfect example. If you want to cast him in a
Speaker 2: sitcom or venus, goddamn it. They were three reasons that
Speaker 2: he was old. Yeah, I said, I can't. I'm not
Speaker 2: asking Peter o'tool to read. You can ask him. Well,
Speaker 2: they didn't, they know what do you know? What bothers
Speaker 2: me a lot about this time, especially when I talked
Speaker 2: this was the BBC. Yeah, well that's part of this time. Okay,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? It's I mean the business. Yes.
Speaker 2: What bothers me about it is I talked to so
Speaker 2: many creatives and they talked to me about shows that
Speaker 2: didn't happen. That's right, And it drives me crazy because
Speaker 2: these sounds. I'm good, they sound great. Why do you
Speaker 2: think I'm in the food and travel business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but fell I got to say to you, and
Speaker 1: we got to wrap things up. I'm going to say
Speaker 1: to you, I would like to hear your voice outside
Speaker 1: of the food arena. I mean you, I understand great,
Speaker 1: but it would be nice to see a set calm
Speaker 1: or a comedy show come out of that ahead of yours.
Speaker 2: I know it's there. It's not for lack of trying.
Speaker 2: Oh really, still, well, a terrible business, you proved it.
Speaker 2: It means nothing. I think that the business changed greatly
Speaker 2: in the nine years we were doing Raymond, and so
Speaker 2: when we graduated from that, all they wanted were young
Speaker 2: pretty people in shows, which is you know, as good
Speaker 2: a show as Friends is and was the business got
Speaker 2: the wrong lesson from it. They thought that, oh, just
Speaker 2: cast pretty people. Yeah, but that.
Speaker 1: The exception, the exception to the rule exactly. But the
Speaker 1: right that mar And was doing on that show, that's incredible.
Speaker 1: Mark Kaufman was doing on that show. Of course, great
Speaker 1: worky I was.
Speaker 2: They were great, well crafted shows with a great writers room.
Speaker 2: But you had these this casting that was also great. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they were great. And God doesn't often give with both mends.
Speaker 2: Don't go to the pretty people usually for comedy. Why
Speaker 2: because pretty people never have to develop a they haven't
Speaker 2: had to do it. Yeah, you have to look like
Speaker 2: me to develop a sense for me. I get it.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing I think that I remember, like
Speaker 2: Raymond was I was on the Drew Carey Show. Remember
Speaker 2: when Raymond started and we were on the Drew Carey Show.
Speaker 2: We were the uh, we were the less esthetically pleasing
Speaker 2: cast than the Friend was funny, funny, it's.
Speaker 1: A funny show. And I remember you guys showed in
Speaker 1: the Warner Brothers Law. I remember because Ray used to combine.
Speaker 2: Uh. I remember because he was becoming a big star
Speaker 2: and always stuck with me. And I say it to
Speaker 2: him when he was on the old Late Night Show
Speaker 2: because it really stuck with me. I watched a guy
Speaker 2: go from nobody knew who he was to be a
Speaker 2: big star, no discernible change in behavior. No, do you
Speaker 2: know how fucking rare that is? You know what he says, Well,
Speaker 2: I'm the same guy, same guy. He was a camp driver,
Speaker 2: used to hate me now my limo driver. But it's
Speaker 2: interesting because it's so I don't even know if I
Speaker 2: can say that but myself sometimes when I went through successes,
Speaker 2: I think I became a bit of douchey, you know.
Speaker 2: But I with Ray, I think that, well, he had
Speaker 2: a very healthy case of neuroticism. Yeah, but he was
Speaker 2: a perfect neurotic, I always said, because he only hurt himself. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We meet a lot of neurotics in the business out
Speaker 2: and hurt everybody else. You don't want to work with them.
Speaker 2: But Ray was always a pleasure to work with And
Speaker 2: the only thing that might have been difficult was convincing
Speaker 2: him that he was good. Yeah, and to relax and
Speaker 2: be enjoy it. Yeah, it's hard to enjoy it when
Speaker 2: you're you're raither and you're nuts. He always says, if
Speaker 2: my father hugged me once, I wouldn't have to do this,
Speaker 2: you know. Lewis Black, Yeah, he's great, He's amazing.
Speaker 1: So I was talking to Lou recently on the program
Speaker 1: on the show, and I said to him my wife's
Speaker 1: theory about stand up comedians, which is every stand up
Speaker 1: comedian has the same.
Speaker 2: Mother, cold with bad boundaries. Wow. And so I say
Speaker 2: that to Lewis and he goes, oh my god. Two things. One,
Speaker 2: how did you get to meet such a smart woman? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And two let me tell you this. His mom had
Speaker 1: just died. She was one hundred and four. He said,
Speaker 1: I don't think we looked each other in the eye
Speaker 1: until she was on her death fedd.
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow. And it goes to your point about pretty
Speaker 2: people not having it developed comedy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like it's developed, it's born out of something. It's
Speaker 2: born out of something. I mean about it. If my
Speaker 2: dad hugged me once, that's really. If you got enough
Speaker 2: love at home, maybe you wouldn't need it outside of home.
Speaker 2: But we all look for it, we all different ways. Well,
Speaker 2: you know what it's It's worked out, okay for you
Speaker 2: and Ray and for you yeah, and for me. You're right.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how much I want to congratulate you.
Speaker 2: And just try it. You and your daughter are doing
Speaker 2: a book to get children to eat their food and adults.
Speaker 2: Just try it. If you can open the mouth, you
Speaker 2: can open the mind, right.
Speaker 1: And congratulations on that Netflix, because that really is a
Speaker 1: wonderful show.
Speaker 2: Thank you, wonderful show. Appreciate you're doing You're doing great work.
Speaker 2: I want people to know I'm doing my live tour.
Speaker 2: Oh you are Yeah? Where I did it last year
Speaker 2: and it was so much fun that I'm doing it
Speaker 2: again this year. Twenty five cities? Are you? Is it? Like?
Speaker 2: Do you have a website or some of the people
Speaker 2: and go to Phil Rosenthalworld dot com. There you go,
Speaker 2: instagramworld dot com. That's it and then all the dates
Speaker 2: and stuff for there. They're all there. It starts in April.
Speaker 2: I can't wait. I love meeting the people and go
Speaker 2: and see film. You will love me wrong and somebody
Speaker 2: feed them please, So yeah,