1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: What's up falconspans Tory McAlhaney joined by Tarren walk here 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: in the Ticketmaster podcast studio. It's been a very busy 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: Monday and it's not even eleven thirty in the morning. 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: The reason being we have introduced Jeff Ulbrick as the 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons new defensive coordinator. You all know Jeff Ulbrick 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: pretty well, and that was kind of the basis of 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: I did an interview with him, You did an interview 8 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: with him, He had his press conference. 9 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: Poor man, he's going through the ringer. 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: We call it the car wash around here, is like 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: when you go to each different station. 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: But I don't think you come out cleaner. 13 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: No, if anything can come out way more tired. I 14 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: know for me personally, I do, uh, But Tarren, I'm 15 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: really curious to you know. I have my thoughts about 16 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: how the morning went introducing him as the new defensive 17 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: coordinator and all the things that he said. I think personally, 18 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: I was very curious about how he was going to 19 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: handle the day because, as we talked about in our 20 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: previous final with episode where it was Will McFadden and 21 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: I I made the comment that even as I was 22 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: getting ready to write that Jeff Oulbrick was going to 23 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: be the defensive coordinator. I knew what the fan reaction 24 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: was going to be, and I knew that it was 25 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: going to be a reaction of frustration, probably a bit 26 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 1: of reservation, and so I thought today was a really 27 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: really important day for Jeff Olbrick to speak not just 28 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: to media, not just to you and I, but I 29 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: think to the fan base as a whole and kind 30 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: of quell their frustrations, their reservations that this was the 31 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: right decision. So I know that you had some time 32 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: kind of went on one with him, and I don't 33 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: want to get too deep into that interview because I 34 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: know you're going to be writing about it later today, 35 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: But what were some things that stuck out to you 36 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: about his talking points on the day. 37 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: One of the things that stood out most to me 38 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: was this whole concept of being a truth teller, and 39 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: I think that being the first thing he said, he 40 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: took away from being an interim head coach, where it's 41 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: like he was very candid of I feel like people 42 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: were scared of me. There was a shift as soon 43 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: as I became this quote unquote head coach that people 44 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: were hiding things for me, my own coaches and coordinators, 45 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: because I don't know, they didn't want to the rattle 46 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,279 Speaker 2: the boat, rock the boat. You could rattle it too, Yeah, 47 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: And I think that gives him a really unique perspective, 48 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 2: and if anything, the relationship with him and Raheem already 49 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: being in place allows him to be that truth teller 50 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 2: right from the get co rather than having to be like, 51 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: m how is he going to receive me? Being bluntly honest? 52 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: And I think that will be beneficial, you do. I 53 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: think the question where I was like, why is this 54 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: time going to be any different than last time? Is 55 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: always a fair one and I think he handled it 56 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 2: well where it was like, we're not the same people 57 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: we were back then, We're not in the same roles 58 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: we were back then. Those were interim where you were 59 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 2: just like put into that position. You didn't really interview 60 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 2: for it. I don't really know what goes into those decisions, 61 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: wait in the archives and whatnot, like how you decided 62 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: who was the interim back then and what But the 63 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: point is these were fleshed out decisions, both for Raheem 64 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: Morris's hiring and Jeff Olbrick's hiring, and they're in these 65 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: roles for a reason. And where was I going before 66 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 2: I distracted myself? 67 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: Well, I think that it's really interesting. I'm just going 68 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 1: to piggyback off the cap for ASACE because I thought 69 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: that it was. It's one thing to say that, yes, 70 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: Raheem Morris and Jeff Ulbrick have have grown as play callers. 71 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: We all have. 72 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: I'm not the same person that I was four years ago, 73 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: right Like, if it would not be that, would that 74 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: we needed to leave? 75 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, him set out to me. 76 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and not just saying like we needed to leave 77 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: in order to like grow professionally as well as personally, 78 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: but the fact that he I, I felt, what I 79 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: gravitated towards in that conversation was the fact that he 80 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: not only said like we needed to go somewhere else 81 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: and have new experiences. 82 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: Very different ones, very different ones. 83 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: With different play callers, different head coaches, different environments, different environments. 84 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: One went to a Super Bowl winning team, the other 85 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: one not so much with the Jets. And I think 86 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: that I was really happy to have heard that he said, 87 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: you know, my core values are always going to be 88 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: what they are. And something that he talked to me 89 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: about was this his foundation as a play caller, as 90 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: a coach, as a teacher, as a human. Is this 91 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: mantra of heartmind fist? 92 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wrote that down while listening, and that was 93 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 2: he was like, you'll hear it at It's how we're 94 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: going to start every single defensive meetings. 95 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: It's what I live by. So he said that core 96 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: principle has never changed, but what has evolved is what 97 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: he said. He coined us his football Brain, and I 98 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: loved how he used actual examples from his time here 99 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: in Atlanta five years ago and how that's a he 100 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: kind of talked about this, the idea of multiplicity. That 101 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: was a huge piece of I think his press conference 102 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: and the day was because he was asked, you know, 103 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: are you gonna be a three four or four three 104 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: if y'all said, if you have listened to me talk 105 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: ever in the last five years, you know I don't 106 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: like that question. Not that's not how modern day NFL 107 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: defenses or even college that's not how modern football is played. 108 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: And so to ask that question and he goes into 109 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: this idea of multiplicity, but he also said, you know, 110 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: when I was here five years ago with Raheem as 111 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: you know insidelnebackers coach and then defensive coordinator. In the interim, 112 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: he was like, I didn't feel like we did a 113 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: good enough job having answers when an offense pivoted. And 114 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: I liked how he used that as an example of 115 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: the way that he felt like he had grown in 116 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: his time with the Jets and using Robert Sala and 117 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: working off of him in different guys in that Jets 118 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: defensive system to find he was talking about, it's all 119 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: about inserting more coverage, more elaborate blitz. It's more and 120 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: more and more. If you're doing the same thing, it's 121 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: not gonna like the definition of insanity is doing the 122 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: same thing over and over and expecting different results. Yeah, 123 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: And I thought that was a very interesting juxtaposition to 124 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: I think a lot of the fan base is sitting 125 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: there right now being like, here we do we're again 126 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: exactly like isn't this exactly that? And to me, it's 127 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: like when someone sits up there and says I'm a 128 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: completely different person as a play caller, as a professional, 129 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: I believe them because I don't think there's a person 130 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: listening here or even talking on these mics that hasn't 131 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: changed And involved. I'm a much better journalist than I 132 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: was at twenty two, you know, like not saying that 133 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: Jevil was that. 134 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: Only four years ago? 135 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: No, it wasn't. I have a birthday coming up up 136 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: and you don't have to call me out like that. 137 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm older. 138 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: So I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. But no, I 139 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: think that was something that I greatly took was this 140 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: idea of multiple multiplicity and evolving, evolving, and not just 141 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: evolving from year to year, but in the moment, yeah, 142 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: moment to moment in a game. 143 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that is a big key thing. I 144 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: don't think people should harp so much on the return 145 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: just because things are so different. The sport is so 146 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: different from four or five years ago. They're different people. 147 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: The decisions made also. 148 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: True, he can't do anything about it, as. 149 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: Much as you scream, it's going into avoid right, I'm sorry, 150 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: And so I think for him to acknowledge it though, 151 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: it's like the right way to go about it. And 152 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: he's like, I'm not the same, I'm gonna evolve all 153 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: those things that you mentioned. And the thing that still 154 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: sticks out to me most is this perspective he has 155 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: from New York being the interim head coach and the 156 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: fact that he just took away the two biggest things. 157 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: We're being a true teller and delegating. I think it's 158 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: gonna be so beneficial to Raheem Morris where it's like 159 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: you care about all three. I got the defense and 160 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: what's I'm really curious too, is the delegation part. Because 161 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: you basically have the big coordinator in Jeff Ulbrich, then 162 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: you have too many coordinators in my mind, with Mike 163 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: Rutenberg and Jerry Gray. And one of the questionss I 164 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: asked was like, how do you make sure that's a 165 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: good collaboration and not too many cooks in the kitchen? 166 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: And which don't watch that YouTube video It'll be stuck 167 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: in your head forever. And the analogy has stuck with me. 168 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 2: And he was like, I can't wait. But that is 169 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: a good point because they hell have so much defensive experience. 170 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: But he's like, that's the first thing we need to 171 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 2: establish right away, like in this two weeks of self scouting, 172 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: and he's like, we're gonna go over all the Falcon 173 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: stuff and how the defense has done and what's already 174 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 2: in place, but then we're gonna go over what I 175 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: bring from New York. And then it's kind of like 176 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: clean slate, picking and choosing building a new beast rather 177 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: than trying to train an old one. Yeah, and that 178 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,599 Speaker 2: was the analogy we used. I don't know, there was 179 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 2: so many I now, you know me, I know I 180 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: love an analogy, but. 181 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: It's such a good point too. And I think something 182 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: that I was really in my one on one with him, 183 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: which you can uh find on Atlanta Falcons dot com 184 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: and also the YouTube channel. I believe it's up on 185 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: YouTube right now. Uh. But he I asked him, I 186 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: was like, how are you a different man, a different 187 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: coordinator sitting in front of me right now than the 188 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: last time we spoke over a zoom in twenty twenty. 189 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: And something that he talked about was besides the beard, 190 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: And he did joke, who was like, besides the added 191 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: gray and the beard? And I was like that too. 192 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: I didn't I was acknowledge it. I was gonna try 193 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: and make a joke, but I was like, this seems 194 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: like a serious interview, Uh, but I have to be 195 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,119 Speaker 1: serious right now. But I and he he said seriously 196 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: that his first year with Robert Sala, Robert Sala was 197 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: very involved in defensive play calling, yeah, or maybe not 198 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: play calling day of, but the defensive game plan, he said. 199 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: But after that first year, he said, Robert Sala kind 200 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: of took a step back and became more of the 201 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: CEO type of head coach, where you're having to have 202 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: conversations and you're looking at the team not just through 203 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: the lens of a defensive coordinator, but you have to 204 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: look at the team as a whole and as an 205 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: entire operation team. 206 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, how don unit right? 207 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: And I do find that I think it's purposeful that 208 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: he said that in that interview, because the best years 209 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: for the Jets defense, which I know you have this 210 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: pulled up, but the best years for the Jets defense 211 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: was after that first year when it was Jeff Ulbricks. 212 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Do do stat time? Yeah? Well in twenty twenty one, 213 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: they weren't even in the top five. Do I have 214 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: the twenty and twenty nine numbers? I do? I was like, 215 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: whoa they ranked twenty nine and twenty two twenty they 216 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: ranked twenty ninth in yards, nineteenth in points, and eighteenth 217 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: and turnovers. Wait no, that's Atlanta. Wow oops. I was like, 218 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 2: wait twenty twenty ye wow, days getting away from me, 219 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: the Jets ranked thirty second in yards, thirty second in points, 220 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 2: and thirty first in turnovers. Sorry to just randomly throw 221 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: a stray at the twenty twenty Falcons, but in twenty 222 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 2: twenty one the Jets jumped to fourth, fourth, and twenty ninth. Yeah, 223 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 2: but fourth and fourth, like that is a from last 224 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: to top five is crazy. And so when he said 225 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: that in your interview, I was like, dang flag. Because 226 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: then I followed up on it and was like, Okay, 227 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 2: since you're getting the full reins in year one with 228 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: the Falcons, how confident are you that you can jump 229 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 2: to that top defense level without that year of working 230 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: under someone else? Essentially, Yeah, And he broke my heart 231 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: a little bit by saying stats are for losers basically, 232 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 2: not another one. But it's more so like because he 233 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 2: is in control and because he has that experience of 234 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 2: not stretching yourself too much as the head coach, he's like, 235 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: I'm gonna use myself and the mini coordinators didn't call 236 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: him that in my mind, but to make a strong defense, 237 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: one that is able to adapt and change. He's like, 238 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: I don't really care about the top five, top ten 239 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: and He even referenced Raheem Morris in Los Angeles when 240 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: Raheem took over what was the number one defense at 241 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: the time. He's like, and he was questioning his opening 242 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: press conference of what are you gonna do to maintain 243 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 2: the number one defense? He's like, I'm not, Like, it's 244 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: first of all, not realistic to put that on someone immediately, 245 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: But it's also like, who cares when what matters most 246 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 2: is winning football? Yeah, Like the nerd in me loves 247 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 2: the numbers, but I do understand the most important one 248 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: is the record. Who cares if you're a top five defense? 249 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: The Jets were, and the Jets do well in the 250 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: past four years overall, didn't see him winning super Bowls, 251 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 2: And so that is the point, and he emphasized that 252 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 2: where it's like, Okay, yes the Jets did well defensively, 253 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 2: but as a team, they weren't making it to the 254 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: Super Bowl. I want this team as a whole to 255 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 2: do really well and what I can do with the 256 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: defense and help that overall goal, and I want a 257 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: strong defense in that way. 258 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: I think something that I'm going to probably play around 259 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: with in the next day in terms of like riding 260 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: a column is kind of speaking to the fan base. 261 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: It was really important to me if you make it 262 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: to the end of the one on one that I 263 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: had with Jeff Hulbrick, I kind of set the stage 264 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: of being like, look, let's let's be real for a second. 265 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: There is a very passionate part of this fan base 266 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: that has reservations about this decision. And the reason being 267 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: is because it doesn't really happen at all that you 268 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: see someone who was in an interim position leave and 269 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: then four or five years later comes back and holds 270 00:13:58,400 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: that same. 271 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 2: Position, and it's happen too. 272 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: It's happened now with rahe Morris and Jeff Walbrick. So 273 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: I understand the initial response to it. And I was like, 274 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: but what can you say? What would you want to 275 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: say to the fans that they can put their hope 276 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: and trust in this, And he was very honest and 277 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: candid about I mean, words are nothing if you don't 278 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: back them up, which is exactly what Raheem Morris said 279 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: in his final press conference at the end of the 280 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four season. Is the same thing that Terry 281 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: Fonteau said at the end of the twenty twenty four season. 282 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: And I think Like my response to that, and something 283 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: that I may write about later today is that I 284 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: think as a fan base, and I'm probably gonna get 285 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: some heat from this, but like, at least give him 286 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: the chance to show you that he's different, that he's evolved, 287 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: that this thing can look and feel different. I think, 288 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: kind of coming off the top and just being like 289 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: rinse and repeat, same old, same old, Like oh hey, yes, 290 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: let's get through that initial wave. But give him the 291 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: opportunity to establish himself as the defensive coordinator in Atlanta, 292 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: not with an interim tag, not with not as like 293 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: Raheem Morris's buddy, Like yeah, they're friends, and Raheem Morris 294 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: did call him when the defensive coordinator position came available 295 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Jeff Oulbrick said that, But beyond that, let 296 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: the man establish himself for himself before coming to any conclusions. 297 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: No single Like he hasn't even had conversations with players 298 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: right yet, Like that's not happened yet. He's still learning 299 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: this coaching staff. Because again, another part of this is 300 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: that you insert Jeff Ulbrick into this defensive coaching staff. 301 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: But a lot of these defensive coaches are carryovers from 302 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: Jimmy Lake staff, literally almost all of them outside of two. 303 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 304 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: So I say this just like, let's let's taper expectations 305 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: and let's take a breath and see what happens. And 306 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: if in a year or two you can sit there 307 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: and say told you so, then you can sit there 308 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: and say he. 309 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 2: Told you so. 310 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: That's great, Great for you, you be But at the 311 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: end of the day, give them a shot to figure 312 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: it out. 313 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So I have a question for you. 314 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead. 315 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 2: Do you think this initial uproar whatever you want to 316 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: call it, would be as loud as it is had 317 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 2: Raheem Morris pulled off a winning record and a playoff 318 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: run in his first year, because it was kind of like, 319 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: it's same, the same thing, where like, what if he 320 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: had come back and in your one accomplish those goals, 321 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: do you think it would be the same, like, oh, 322 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 2: here we go again when the first one did what 323 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: he said he was going to. 324 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that makes sense. No, it does, 325 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: And I think that it's a fair question to ask 326 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: personally when I look at it, I'm sitting here, like 327 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: if this twenty twenty fourteen lived up to the expectations 328 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: that I think we all had the fan base and 329 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: you and I sitting here had for them, which was 330 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: a winning record and a birth into the postseason. If 331 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: we're sitting here talking about a team that did that, 332 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: I actually don't know if Jimmy Lake would no longer 333 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: be here right like, I think that you had to 334 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: because of the fallout of that final game of the 335 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: season defensively and also looking at it wasn't like you know, 336 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: and I don't know what goes on behind closed. 337 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 2: Doors too, but you see what I'm saying where it's. 338 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: Yes, well, I think that's It's one of those things 339 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: where I just don't. I don't think that we're having 340 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: a conversation about a new defensive coordinator if the Falcons 341 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: went to the postseason. I really don't because I think 342 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: even if that means you're winning a couple more games, yea, 343 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: and that means that you are atop the NFC South. 344 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: And I think think regardless of how it ended, even 345 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: if it wasn't pretty, I think you feel differently if 346 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: you have those two notches in your belt. 347 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, it's just but it's tough. It's tough, 348 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 2: and it's also it's just interesting because these two decisions 349 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 2: are just a year removed. Yeah, but they're so eerily similar. 350 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's what's so interesting. 351 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 2: One was successful in the first place, I feel like 352 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 2: you'd feel better about the second. But if one was 353 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 2: successful in the first place, would the second one even 354 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 2: be made? 355 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: Chick chicken and egg. Yeah, And I think too that 356 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: it's this is a very similar conversation. What's very interesting, too, 357 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: is to this point that you're you're bringing up is 358 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: that I didn't feel that the fan base was as 359 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: angry about. 360 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 2: First one didn't work exactly as they had wanted or 361 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 2: thought initially, not that it's not going to but upon 362 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: the first season, right, Yeah, Well, the. 363 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: Ire, the iyre was built, and the fire was stoked. 364 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: And when the Falcons didn't live up to expectations and 365 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: didn't put wins on the board and are sitting here 366 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: not as NFC South champions and not having any appearance 367 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: in the playoffs since twenty seventeen, like that ire has 368 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: just been building and to the keeps. Yeah, to the 369 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: point now where it's like, Okay, the people who were 370 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: mad about Raheem Morris being hired in the first place, 371 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,239 Speaker 1: they're even more it's even louder, it's more passion, and 372 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: I think if you had one more games, it wouldn't 373 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: be as bad. But we're getting off track. Yeah a little, 374 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: I know, but it's it's interesting. 375 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 2: And I do think what's fun about Jeff Aulbrick already 376 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 2: is because he had to deal with the New York 377 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 2: media and the New York crowd and then like newspapers 378 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 2: just being literally everywhere still, which chews kiss, but like 379 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 2: you see the post everywhere and if it's in their 380 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: aggressive headlines nine out of ten times, and it's like okay, 381 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, I'm ready it right, Yeah, he gets 382 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: it so and I think that's why we get such 383 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 2: candid responses and such honesty from him, which I've loved already. 384 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: Me too, And that was gonna be my next question 385 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: is you know, I've known Jeff Ulbrick. I covered him, 386 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: you know, when I was with the Athletic when he 387 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: was here the last time. Same with Rahiem, so I 388 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: already kind of knew what I was getting. I know 389 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: what type of person he is. I know I have 390 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 1: a lot of respect for Jeff Ulbrick, and but this 391 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: is your first time meeting him. So what were your 392 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: initial thoughts. 393 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 2: I watched a few of his press conferences while prepping 394 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 2: for like today's interview, and I watched it a few 395 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 2: miked up. So it's weird feeling like you know someone 396 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 2: before you know someone. 397 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: But I feel like every podcast we ever do with people, 398 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, I know your entire life. 399 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: Story and they don't fairly know my name. But I 400 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 2: just really appreciated It's like bluntness and like transparency and honesty, 401 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 2: Like it didn't feel. The most coached speak that we 402 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 2: got was the my actions will speak longer, like louder 403 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 2: than my words. And I only say that's coach peak 404 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 2: because we've as you've already listed. Ricky Moore said it 405 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: Terry font last year, this year, like I'm ready to 406 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:10,479 Speaker 2: see it. 407 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, but we have so long until the ball gets 408 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: cut down. And that's the thing is, like, I I 409 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: don't know what else you say. You know, people are mad, 410 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: you know kind of how things are, and you know 411 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: you don't want to talk yourself into the toilet bowl. 412 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 2: But just talking to him and his willingness to evolve 413 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: and to acknowledge both false growths, et cetera, is really refreshing, 414 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 2: not that Jimmy Lake didn't do that at all, Like 415 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: this is keeping it in a vacuum of one human being, 416 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: but that along which is like talking through his mindset 417 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: of like still keeping a lot of the things he 418 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 2: learned from New York, but also being willing to adapt 419 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: what Atlanta already has and just create something new. I'm 420 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 2: curious to see how that plays out, where if you 421 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 2: see sparklings of last season from both entities, and then 422 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 2: you also have like a little bit of like the 423 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 2: La stuff. Even more so that I'm curious about. I 424 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: think just his willingness, even with a joke about I'm 425 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 2: willing to teach people in different ways, like I know 426 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 2: they're attached to their cell phones, like all these cool ways. 427 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: When he walked in the studio being like I wish 428 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 2: I could teach people on a green screen like players 429 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 2: in all these different creative ways. It's like that's cool. 430 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 2: That's cool to see and hear someone be evolving with 431 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 2: the game. Because he even joked like there's coaches who 432 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 2: are like there's back in my day, and he's not 433 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 2: like that. And I don't think where heeem is like that. 434 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 2: We've seen even this past year, just his openness and 435 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 2: honesty too, So it'll be interesting to see them together. 436 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 2: I'm ready to hear them douke it out a little bit, 437 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 2: like he joked that you're gonna hear us screaming at 438 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 2: each other possibly, but it's okay. It's just because we 439 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 2: know each other. And I really and I keep going 440 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 2: back to this the perspective he has because in his 441 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 2: end of season press conference with New York he was 442 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: asked like, what would you do differently, And something that 443 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 2: stuck out to me so much was like I would 444 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 2: not be a head coach and coordinator whoops at the mic. Yeah, 445 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 2: And it's just like to admit that is I don't 446 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 2: want to say in saying but insane, Like you just 447 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 2: don't see that kind of honesty in those moments always 448 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 2: because it was just he said, it was like too 449 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 2: much because you want to focus solely on one thing, 450 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 2: but you have to focus on everything else. And this 451 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: aspect of being a truth teller, where like my own 452 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: coaches weren't being completely honest with me at times, and 453 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: it's like I was one of them. So I think 454 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 2: that's going to be such a benefit to Raheem. And 455 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 2: that is mostly what I'm curious about seeing how the 456 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 2: defense can flourish with that. 457 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I am curious to see how He kept talking 458 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: about how he wants to create something new with Raheem 459 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: and something quote that hasn't been done before, and he 460 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: said that a few times. And you know, there aren't 461 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: examples yet that we can really get into because we 462 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: don't know what this defensive roster is realistically gonna look 463 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: like come September. 464 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 2: There's so many options that you have Grady, Jared and 465 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 2: David Anyamata, who somebody called them old today and that 466 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: was crazy, but. 467 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: In the NFL, in the NFL world, you have them. 468 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 2: But then you have like Ruca row Robro and Brandon 469 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 2: Derless and Brayln Trice who are so young and just 470 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 2: getting started, like two ends of the spectrum essentially, and 471 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 2: then you have a bunch of players who are on 472 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 2: one year deals like Justin Simmons, Matthew Judon like how 473 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: you Yeah. 474 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of decisions that have to be made, 475 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: and Jeff Ulberg was asked like, how how much input 476 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: are you going to have on those decisions? 477 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 2: He was like, I hope a lot. 478 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: I better have a lot. Better have a lot, and 479 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: I think that is again to your point, the candid 480 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: and the candor of what she spoke about today, I 481 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: really appreciated. And yeah, we're gonna have a yeah, a 482 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: lot up in the air. And I don't expect, I 483 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: didn't expect Jeff Ulbrick to have all the answers to 484 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: all the questions today, but sure as heck can ask 485 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: those down the road as this roster gets filled out, 486 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: because I have an inkling personally that there's gonna have 487 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: to be a lot of defensive moves made, whether it 488 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: be in free agency or the draft, and I'm fully 489 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: planning on multiple mock drafts this year, drafting an edge 490 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: rusher or corner again. But I digress. We'll get to 491 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: that when we get to that. First First we gotta 492 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: go to the Combine. Then we gotta go through free agency. 493 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: There's a lot of things between now and then. I 494 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: know Will McFadden is literally leaving what in like twenty 495 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: four hours to go to Mobile, Alabama to cover the 496 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, so he'll be reporting from that, Tara and 497 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: I will be here in Atlanta reporting on the Jeff 498 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: Ulbrick stuff. And man, nothing stops, just the grind keeps going, 499 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: but at least now. 500 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 2: The Bacca about Jeff Ulbrick. 501 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: Hey, that's what the people came to hear. They wanted 502 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: to know what you thought about Jeff Ulbrick. So thank 503 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: you guys for joining us. We will be back at 504 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: some point. We don't have anything penciled in right now, 505 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: but there's always new when it comes to the Falcons, 506 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: so I'm sure we'll be back very soon. In the meantime, 507 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: have a good week. Hopefully there won't be any news 508 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: and we can get away a little bit. That's my 509 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: hope and my goal. 510 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 2: Stop listing things upcoming. 511 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: Sorry, I know, let's take it one one day at 512 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: a time, one week at a time. But thank you 513 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: all so much for listening. 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