1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt and 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm Ben, and this is the stuff they don't want 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: you to know. Nice. Nice, Yeah, we've we've been working 7 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: on our budget and we figured out the best way 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: for us to do the kind of sound effects and 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: music that you listeners have come to no love and expect. 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: The best way to get the bank for our buck 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: here is mad Yeah, I have Matt do it? Is 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: that cool? Yeah, that's totally fine. That's that's also one 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: of your one of your favorite phrases to hear as 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: an editor, right, or as we call them predators here, 15 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: it's one of your favorite things to hear when someone says, oh, 16 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: well we'll fix it, you know in post. Yeah, that's 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: it's a great tactic, a good way to save money, 18 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: just kick the can a little further further down the road. 19 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: But if we are talking about money, then this makes me, h. 20 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: This makes me think of an interesting point that we 21 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: didn't really touch on in our videos this week. Uh, 22 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: the Jesuits are doing pretty well financially. Well, yeah, Ben, 23 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: What what's the best way to acquire wealth? The the 24 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: most efficient way to acquire wealth as a group or 25 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: a person? Oh well, to be a nonprofit or a 26 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: religious organization, something exempt from taxation in some countries. That's 27 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: really good. You know. Another way, what's that? Um too? 28 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: Have wealth given to you or passed down to you 29 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: from generation upon generation upon generation upon generation. And uh, 30 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: the group we're talking about today has been around for 31 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: a while. Yes, today, ladies and gentlemen, we are talking 32 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:13,279 Speaker 1: about the Society of Jesus, otherwise known as uh the Jesuits. 33 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: One thing that we found very interesting, both Matt and I, 34 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: was that as soon as the current pope, as we 35 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: record this, uh, became the actual pope, Uh, there was 36 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: this huge resurgence of rumors and conspiracy theories about the 37 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: Society of Jesus. And I don't know about you, man, 38 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: but I had no idea that this was a long 39 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: running concept, you know. Um, So, so what do we 40 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: know about the Jesuits. Let's start with the history. So 41 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: to start with the Jesuits, let's let's look at the founder, 42 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: Ignacious of Loyola. Now, this guy was a soldier in 43 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: the fifteen hundreds, and he was wounded by a cannonball 44 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: that broke one of his legs pretty horribly. And um 45 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: well it kind of led to the founding because of 46 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: his spiritual uh findings once when he was injured. And 47 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: we'll talk about that a little later. But Ignatius himself 48 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: was born October four, ninety three. His name at that 49 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: time was Inigo Lopez de Lawyer. Ah. Yeah, and uh, 50 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: he was not always the most godly man, right. Uh, 51 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: he was a warrior man. Right. It's a very different 52 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: cast in that system. Now, the battle we mentioned in 53 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: the videos where he was wounded was the Battle of Papolona, 54 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: which occurred in fifteen one. Now, during this process, he 55 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: was very close to death. Yeah, it was. It was 56 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: pretty grim. If you get injured in your legs, especially 57 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: by a cannonball back in the day, there's not much 58 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: that can be done for you. Yeah, and this is 59 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: before the advent of modern medicine, what we would call 60 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: modern medicine. Um. So he survived, but he always would 61 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: have a lamp despite several surgeries. And when they did 62 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: surgeries back in year old fifteen twenties, Uh, there was 63 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: an anesthetic. I mean there was booze. Yeah, bite this leather, 64 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: bite this leather. Yeah. He read a book while he 65 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: was recovering. It took a very long time, and it 66 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: was a book called De Vita christy at commentary on 67 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: the life of Jesus Christ and on the Gospels. When 68 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: we're looking at this, it's weird is that it's like 69 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: this mixtape of sixty different other Christian writer's opinions about 70 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: the Gospels. Yeah, and this this book really triggered his conversion, 71 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: his religious conversion, and he was he says that he 72 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: had visions during this time that were, you know, leading 73 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: him in this direction. And in fifteen twenty three he 74 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: made a pilgrimage to the Holy Land. Um, but he 75 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to stay for more than a few days 76 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: and they kind of shipped them back off to Europe. Right. Yeah, 77 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: the situations pretty unsafe. You know, he's limping like a madman. 78 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: Uh in the situation. By the way, we have the 79 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: benefit of retrospect, the situation was unsafe for everyone there. 80 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: It wasn't just uh, you know, some some group of 81 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: totally innocent Europeans sitting around the Middle East. There were 82 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: some there were some hard cases on both sides, and 83 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: they thought he should not be there. He studied at 84 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: several universities for the next eleven years, Barcelona, uh A, Colla, Salamanca, Paris, 85 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: and in fifteen thirty four he gets his crew together. 86 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: I don't think they called him Cruise back then. He 87 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: gets a group of friends and some followers and they 88 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: take two vows. They vow to commit themselves to poverty 89 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: and chastity. Now those are two very important reoccurring themes 90 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: that we'll see in in the vowels and the the 91 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: things that are held sacred within the society of Jesus. Now, 92 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: at this point they did something interesting to me, at least. 93 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: They went to Rome and went directly to the pope, 94 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: to Pope Paul to the third and they they offered 95 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: their services to him. I imagine that being a pope 96 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: and then this group of guys walk up. We're like, hello, Pope, um, 97 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: we we just want to do everything for you, anything 98 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: you need. And they seem to have this interesting slant 99 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:38,239 Speaker 1: on security. Yeah. Their their idea is that they will 100 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: be directly answerable only to the Pope and only to 101 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: the head of their order, the who they called the 102 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: Superior General or whom they called the Superior General. So 103 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: in fifteen Pope Paul three, by the way, is down 104 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: for this. In fifteen forty, Ignatious of Loyola officially founds 105 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: the Society of Jesus and he's got the Pope co 106 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: signing him. So he writes simple rules for his order. Uh. 107 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: No specific form of dress, which was a little bit 108 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: controversial at the time, no regular commitment to attend particular services. 109 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: You know, some other orders have a fairly specific uh 110 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: schedule for lack of a better word. And Jesuits, as 111 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: they came to be called, are free to move fast 112 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: wherever they're needed. And that means that if if today 113 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: Pope Francis contacts the Jesuit Order and says I need 114 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: people to do X, Y or Z, then they want 115 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: to have people ready to go mobile and active at all. Yeah, 116 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: and this goes back to Now you'll recall there's some 117 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: very important events in Christian history during this time. Uh, 118 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: the Jesuits were already at the pope side, is like 119 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: his cabinet and council way back during the Council of Trent. 120 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: Now here's the crazy thing. By by the end of 121 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: Loyola's life around fifteen fifty six. This group has grown 122 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: from just a small group of friends that went to 123 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: talk to the pope to over a thousand members, and 124 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: that's some pretty huge growth, especially for the time. Right, 125 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: they are mainly at this point in Europe, where the 126 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: task of the order is teaching and arguing against the 127 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: Protestant cause. But but they're also going outside of the West, 128 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: my friend, to Latin America, to India, the ideas that 129 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: they will aggressively, assertively proselytize to the great unwashed. Yeah, 130 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: and they're they're putting up churches in these places, and 131 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: I mean some some really interesting exploration that they're doing right, 132 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: and they they have a debatable, at times controversial involvement. 133 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: Of course, students of history will recall that the Catholic 134 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: churches involvement for good and for ill in areas across 135 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: the world during the European expansion. But that's something that 136 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: is interesting to me that you earlier mentioned, is that 137 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: you said this was sort of a military order. Well, yeah, 138 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: they're focused on security, so they kind of come to 139 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: be known as this military let's say arm, or like 140 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: the right the right arm of the Catholic Church, and 141 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: they they use their power and influence in that way. 142 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: And you may even hear these guys of the Jesuits 143 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: called God's Soldiers, which is pretty interesting, or even God's Marines. 144 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: And officially this is because Ignatious. You know, he was 145 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: a soldier, that's his background, that's what he wasn't good at. 146 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: Um it kind of gave him, let's say, this organizational 147 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: ability and experience that you that you wouldn't usually find 148 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: in someone at this level or doing this kind of work. 149 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: And then then the order starts to just expand across 150 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: the planet. They're going to Brazil, Japan, all over the 151 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: place that it is. And yeah, okay, so this this 152 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: loyalty that they have deep rooted loyalty to the papacy. 153 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: It's kind of problematic for other groups, and the Jesuits 154 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: are seen as dangerous by a lot of other people 155 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: right inside and outside the church. And let's spend some 156 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: time here, because if you think about it, it does 157 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: make sense. Imagine you live in Japan and you all 158 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: of a sudden, have these Europeans never seen a European before? 159 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: What the heck is going on there? They come in 160 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: and they say you know, this is our religion. We're 161 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: here to teach you to read like civilized people, and 162 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: of course, you, being Japanese, say ah, you guys should 163 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: learn to read like civilized people and speak Japanese. But 164 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: it's strange because their allegiance is to another European that you, 165 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: as a Japanese person, never ever met and probably won't. 166 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: And they are answerable only to this guy, not to you, 167 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: not to your authorities, not to anybody else. You the 168 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: head of a religious order, right and for people within 169 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: the church and other orders. This is even stranger because 170 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: you know how you've seen cop movies or TV like 171 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: procedural crime shows right where there's always this scene when 172 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: the local sheriff is mad that the federal agent is 173 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: coming in and busting his balls jurisdiction. Now, no, this 174 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: is my b I case, This is the CDC in here, 175 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: all a t F here. Just want to check if 176 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: there's any tobacco as a tobacco related crime or alcohol. 177 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: Maybe have to intercede us. Yeah, don't tell anyone. We're 178 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: not supposed to function inside the US, but we're taking over. Yeah, exactly. 179 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: So this kind of game, and this is similar to 180 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: what happens when a Jesuit order Jesuit Reppert senitives on 181 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: on some sort of mission uh interact with local uh 182 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: local Catholic authorities. There can be this this weird thing 183 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: where you say, well, I am the priest of this church, 184 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: this this community, and it's my job to do X. 185 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: And the Jesuits come in and say, actually, big guy, 186 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: we're talking to Paul. We just call him Paul uh, 187 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: and we're gonna we're gonna take it from here. Well, 188 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: and they had this extra emphasis on mission work and 189 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: education work, which kind of put them at the fringes 190 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: of I don't know what you would call it, but 191 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: where Catholicism really was holding sway. So they were kind 192 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: of this weird front lines strong arm power. But at 193 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: the same time we're hey, we're focusing on an education 194 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: and we're just doing mission work here. It's cool, guys, right. 195 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: They weren't raising villages to the ground. They were they 196 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: were much more likely to assimilate if they could and 197 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: work with the existing power structures of a place, which 198 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: later became a problem. But anyway, for all of these reasons, 199 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: and these are reasons, they were often the victims of 200 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: rumors speculation, accusations. Notice I didn't say wild accusations. I 201 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: just said accusation. Yeah, man, And it's kind of their fault. 202 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: What what do you mean, Well, they invented the system 203 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: called causestry. It offered loopholes for all sorts of really 204 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: not good things. Okay, So it's all right to lie 205 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: if it's for the good of the church. It's really 206 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: helping to spread the truth of the Gospel. Therefore, it's 207 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: a lie in service of the truth. Therefore, I'm not 208 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: really in trouble. Stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, good things 209 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: like that. Uh right. And for an example of the 210 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: rumors that they would have, a guy in France named 211 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: Blaze Pascal wrote a book called or a piece called 212 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: Provincial Letters Exposed was em what he said were abuses 213 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: by the Jesuits, and then other places, all pretty much 214 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:11,359 Speaker 1: all in Europe. There were controversies over Jesuit rights, theological disputes, 215 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: and they're close adherence to Rome, you know. And Okay, 216 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: so let's just go back to about how these guys 217 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: are out on the fringes. So a lot of people 218 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: didn't see them in the way that maybe they would 219 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: have liked to be perceived. Because they're not working with 220 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: any local groups, right at least from a top down 221 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: perspective from where they get their orders. They get their 222 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: orders from way over there in Rome, just the Pope 223 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: and then their own general They also worked with suppressed 224 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: Catholic communities that were under at that time Protestant rule. Yeah, 225 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: that's a real conspiracy too. Yeah. Yeah, if you're if 226 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: you're living in a uh let's say an area where 227 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: there is Protestant rule and then you're this tiny little 228 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: Catholic community that's existing in there, the Jesuits hype of 229 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: your back in I mean, and that's a cool thing 230 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: to know, I guess at the time, Yeah, you meet, 231 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: they had people meeting in secret to conduct services. And uh, 232 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: there was a pretty good YouTube summation I saw on this. 233 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: Um oh, I wish I could remember the guy's names. 234 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: But there is a Jesuit YouTube channel where they have 235 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: where they have members of the Order answering questions, explaining things, 236 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: and they have a great video about the idea of 237 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: Jesuit conspiracy theories where they talk about how there would 238 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: be these little closets or secret hideaways for priests and so, uh, 239 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: this they argue gave rise to many of the later 240 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: theories about the you know, Jesuit world order or something, 241 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: because people would look at these houses and say, oh, what, 242 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: what's up with that little hidden closet space and they 243 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: would say, oh, that's where we, you know, put the 244 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: Jesuit priest. And that's a weird thing to say to people, 245 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: because we had to take communion and we didn't have 246 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: anybody and you know, those prodestants always barging in, barging 247 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: in looking for communion opportunities. Anyway, So the Jesuits gained 248 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: a lot of influence. And this is as you said, 249 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: because they are educators and they are establishing schools that 250 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: at a time when there's not you know, a really 251 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: feasible public school system. So they're getting the kids of 252 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: the of the wealthy, the kids of the influential, and 253 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: they're molding young minds. They're winning hearts and minds. It's 254 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: quite brilliant. Yeah, we should start school. So church officials 255 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: become increasingly concerned about the power of the society of Jesus. 256 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: They are in the high circles, the courts. You know, 257 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: people have what they would call like their court jesuit 258 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: and stuff. Um, well, yeah, I don't know, but you 259 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. I see exactly what you're saying. 260 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: So all of these fears and rumors kind of culminate. 261 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: Did on July one, seventeen seventy three, one Pope Clement 262 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: four dissolved the order. Oh man, that's tough. Well yeah, 263 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy. But by that point it's already been 264 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: officially abolished in a couple other places France, Spain. Um, 265 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: I think there might have been a couple more. But 266 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: Clement claimed that he was doing this only as a 267 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: move to make peace within the church because there was 268 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: a lot of tension, and I see, so he said, 269 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: nothing personal, for the good of the family. We're just 270 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: gonna comment down for a little bit. You guys aren't 271 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: officially the Jesuits anymore. But that didn't that didn't last 272 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: for long. Right in eighteen fourteen, the society was restored, 273 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: and everybody remember the name Clement fourteenth because we're gonna 274 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: come back to him. But that's you know, these are 275 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: some of the controversies, is some of the history of Jesuits. 276 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: What's going on with him today? Well, you they have 277 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: a website, that's a that's a good thing. A good 278 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: start from their official website. This is a quote. With 279 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: close to seventeen thousand plus priests and brothers worldwide, we 280 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: are the largest male religious order in the Catholic Church. 281 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: We are pastors, teachers, and chaplains. We are also doctors, lawyers, astronomers, 282 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: among many other roles in church and society. In our 283 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: varied ministries, we care for the whole person, body, mind 284 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: and soul, and especially in our education ministries, we seek 285 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: to nurture men and women for others. Now, as members 286 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: of a religious order, the Jesuits take three vows. None 287 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: of them are the fake vow that is all over 288 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: the internet. As far as we know, the three vows 289 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:46,239 Speaker 1: are poverty, chastity, and obedience. And and when you were 290 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: fully initiated into the order, there's a fourth vow of obedience, 291 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: specifically in regard to the worldwide mission of bringing the 292 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: world closer to Christ. Yeah, and that last one is just, uh, 293 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: that kind of vow. It's very serious in this context. 294 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: But every every religion has that same goal. I would argue, well, yeah, 295 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: most most religions in some way uh proselytize, but not 296 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: I mean not all most religious I think either proselytize 297 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: or attempt to maintain in an insular coherence. Although that 298 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: it's a little bit overwritten for me to say it 299 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: that way, you know, it's weird. Is right as I 300 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: was reading that, my energy is going up, and I 301 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: felt like an advertisement on a radio station, you know 302 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: where they're They're like the first ever Jesu with Pope 303 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: Pope Francis. Sorry, guys, those are advertisements we hear all 304 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: the time for clubs in Atlanta. God, and I heard 305 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: one coming in. But yeah, but it is. It is 306 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: a huge, unprecedented event, and it's one of the reasons 307 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: that so many people have been coming out of the 308 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: would work saying, you know, the thing about the jessel 309 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: once it was blah blah blah blah bla um. Which 310 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: leads us to Matt, my favorite part of this show. 311 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of these theories. Here's where it 312 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: gets crazy. Yes, Matt, here's where it gets crazy. But 313 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: first we have something that I need to ask you about. 314 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: Oh all right, all right, man, I'm gonna level with you. 315 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: So you're more savvy than I am about the Internet 316 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: and podcast and all the other things that people do, 317 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: you know, and their free time, and I have a 318 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: problem because I want to read more, but I don't 319 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: have too much time to read. I'm always like in 320 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: the car driving, uh, working out. Humble brag, but all right, whatever, 321 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: But well, hey, I got a solution for you. Yeah, 322 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: there's no butts about this. There's this thing called audible 323 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: dot com. Have you ever heard of this? Maybe so 324 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: been At audible dot com. You can download over one 325 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand audio books so that you can, 326 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, you can work out as much as you want. 327 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: You could go driving, you could go to I don't 328 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: know where you want to go to, Las Vegas? Well yeah, usually, well, 329 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: heck man, you could listen to like at least two 330 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: full audio books. Like so, I've got a question audio book? 331 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: When is this kind of book for people's ears? That's 332 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: exactly what it is. All right. Well, I'm back up 333 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: to speed, and it's a good thing because I have 334 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to check out here. You guys know, 335 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: if you are long time listeners of the show that 336 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: Matt and I have always enjoyed recommending books, and as 337 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: we're looking through Audible today, we're trying to find some 338 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: recommendations for stuff you could get because since there are 339 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: over a hundred thousand choices, you've got a lot to 340 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: wade through. And we found something that we think you 341 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: will enjoy if you enjoy history, a little bit of 342 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: skull duggery, a little bit of conspiratorial stuff. Um, it's 343 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: called the Jesuit and the skull evolution and the search 344 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: of Peaking Man. Yes, so this goes back to December nine. 345 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: In a cave near Pee King, a group of anthropologists 346 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: and archaeologists, including a young French Jesuit priest named Pierre 347 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: had chardin I can't do it as well as Matt 348 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: can anyway, they uncover a pre human skull. It quickly 349 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: becomes known around the world is the Peking Man, and 350 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: it was acclaimed as the missing link between erect hunting 351 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: apes and chrome magnets. It also became a provocative piece 352 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: of evidence and the royaling debate over creationism versus evolution. So, guys, 353 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: if you want this, or if you're interested in any 354 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: of this, go to audible podcast dot com slash stuff. 355 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: They don't want you to know. Yeah, that's our huge 356 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: show name right there at the end, and you can 357 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: get your free audible download. You can get a free 358 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: one of these. You can download the Jesuit in the 359 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 1: Skull right now if you want to. It doesn't have 360 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: to be the as with in the school. You can 361 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: get any one of these books. Uh, this is just 362 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: one that we thought was interesting and that we are 363 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: probably going to download. And you know, man, if you 364 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: have to type out that whole web address Audible podcast 365 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: dot com forward slash stuff, they don't want you to know. 366 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: I feel like you are owed a book. That's right, 367 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: That is right. We appreciate it, and I'm sure Audible 368 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: appreciates it. Well, just let us know if you guys 369 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: have a book that you would like us to recommend 370 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: to the rest of the listening audience out here. And 371 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: now the moment that at least I've been waiting for. 372 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if we all have. Yeah, yeah, okay, good, 373 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: let's get weird with it. Let's talk about some of 374 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: this crazy stuff we're alluding to. Jesuits Matt have been 375 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: accused of being assassins, of killing everybody from distant priests 376 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: to actual popes and even US presidents. What yeah, what indeed? Okay, 377 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: So let's talk about a couple of these men. Let's 378 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: go to Pope Clement the fourteenth, who spoke about earlier. 379 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Well remember he signed those documents and 380 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: the Jesuits were dissolved officially seventeen seventy three or something. Well, 381 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: you know, just I mean, I guess it happens. He 382 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: fell ill, just got a little sick, and he died, 383 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: and according to a lot of legends, his last words were, quote, 384 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: I am dying. It is a very dangerous thing to 385 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: attack the Jesuits. Ah. Yeah, it's according to Solving the 386 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: Mystery of Babylon the Great by a guy named Edward Hendry. 387 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: And what's strange about this is the timing, because the Pope, 388 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: Pope Clement passed away in September of that year, and 389 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: it was during the summer of that year that he 390 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: dissolved the order. And you'll see various bits of evidence 391 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: are alleged evidence about this. But but it's interesting. One 392 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: that's a little further out there too, is Abraham Lincoln. Yeah, 393 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: this idea dates that as far back as eighteen eighty six, 394 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: when a guy named Charles Chiniquy wrote fifty years in 395 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: the Church of Rome alleging that the Catholic Church killed 396 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln. Wow, why though, Uh, people dismissed the claim today, 397 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: at least for Lincoln, but not so much for Clement. 398 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: The Clement claim do, especially because of the timeline, like 399 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: you just said, uh, seems to be a little more 400 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: interesting to people and maybe have a little more weight. 401 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 1: It should also be noted that John Wilkes Booth was 402 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: not a Catholic. Okay, John was with the assassin of 403 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln. So that's that's interesting, the assassination stuff. And 404 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that I can get some more primary sources 405 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: to figure out what the story is with Clement fourteen. 406 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: I mean, make no mistake, the idea that uh, the 407 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: Jesuits would ever assassinate a pope is seems very strange 408 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: and against their charter and exactly opposite, right, Yeah, it's 409 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: literally the opposite. So this is dismissed um in in 410 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: the mainstream. Categorically there aren't There are not you know, 411 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,959 Speaker 1: historians or professors who say, oh, yeah, they killed him, Buddha, 412 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: don't tell anybody, all right, But I would say, you know, 413 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: if you just got dissolved and you want to still 414 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: be the Jesuits, if you take one pope out, guess 415 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: what happens another pope comes in. Yeah, I don't you know. 416 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: I'm still again looking into this, but we'd like to 417 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: hear what you think, readers and why. Uh And that's 418 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: just one conspiracy theory about Jesuits. There's the other one 419 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: that they actively work to subvert world governments to Catholicism. Yeah. Well, 420 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: here's the thing, ben It kind of already happened in 421 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: South America at least. Ah, yes, when the Europeans began 422 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: colonizing and in some cases terrorizing native people of South 423 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: of America specifically. Uh. Well, Jesuits did actively work to 424 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: win people over to Catholicism. But again, a lot of 425 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: these claims rise up when there's a lot of anti 426 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: Jesuit sentiment at the time. Yeah, anti Catholics since ement. 427 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. I was talking to us some 428 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: friends of ours that are a little bit older, and 429 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: they were telling me about the big controversy when JFK 430 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: was elected president, especially in Boston, you know, him being Catholic. 431 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: A lot of this stuff came up, you know, and 432 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: they would say, oh, well, now the United States just 433 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: works for the pope because the president is Catholic. Oh man, Well, Okay, 434 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: So here's the here is one of the most important 435 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: ones for me. This right here stems from the alleged oath, 436 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: the secret oath that has been around the internet that 437 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: we talked about that the Jesuits can and will commit 438 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: any number of sins and or crimes according to their 439 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 1: secret oaths, including actively lying about this right here. Ah, 440 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: So the oath is literally stuff they don't want you 441 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 1: to know. It's okay to lie about the oath where 442 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: you say it's okay to lie. Yeah, a little bit 443 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: that goes that goes to that secret oath that we discussed. 444 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this comes from a work called the Monita Sacrata, 445 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: which I am probably mispronouncing, and we found we found 446 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: some people who made a fairly good case that this 447 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: was a forgery. But uh, it's a forgery that almost 448 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: reads like satire. It's that far out there. And you 449 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: can find out more about that in our video on 450 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: in both of our videos actually that came out this 451 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: week about the Jesuits. And then there's the idea that, 452 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: of course, if the Pope tells them to do something, 453 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: they do it, and it does not matter what it is. 454 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: So the Pope could say, hey, kill that guy and 455 00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: they would say cool, you know they really all right, 456 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: that's the idea, right, um. And then we should differentiate 457 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: which popes we're talking about, right, because there's there's another one. Right. Well, 458 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: you got the Pope and the real Pope, the Pope, 459 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,959 Speaker 1: the one that exists, uh, and then you got the 460 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: Black Pope, which is a nickname given to the Superior General, 461 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: the leader of the Jesuit Order. In a earlier video, Matt, 462 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: you and I talked about Pope John Paul the first right. 463 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man, I just have these images of that 464 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: new show on Adult Swim, Black Jesus but with Black Pope, 465 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: and I just think that that would be funny and 466 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: Adult Swim you should make a sequel. Now that the 467 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: name Black Pope in this case is uh not a 468 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: name that the Catholic Church necessarily condones. It's a bit 469 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: of a pejorative and it's not exactly compliment. Um. It 470 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: started out as a nickname that came from the play 471 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: in black robes that the Jesuit Order would wear. But 472 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: it also came and I think it stems mainly from 473 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: Protestants in the sixteenth century saying that this guy the 474 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: Superior General the Jesuits was a shadow Pope, which I 475 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: think sounds even cooler than black Pope who may wield 476 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: too much influence on the working of the Vatican and 477 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: the working of local governments. In our Pope John Paul 478 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: the First video, we talked about the conspiracy theory that 479 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: John Paul the First was assassinated at the order of 480 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: the Black Pope because he was cleaning up the financial 481 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: dealings of the Church, which for decades, if not centuries, 482 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: have been notoriously I'm not gonna say corrupt, but I 483 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: will say, um, obscure, obscured. Okay, I'll go with that 484 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: like hidden the fans where it would be a cult, uh, 485 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: because occult just means a hidden thing, right. So these uh, 486 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: these finances notoriously inscrutable, and the guy who is delving 487 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: into them to clean him up and he dies. You've 488 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: got to check out the video if you haven't yet. 489 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: It's a it's a very interesting story. I agreed. So 490 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: let's look at behind the scenes with some of these 491 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: theories that are out there. This, here's where it's this, 492 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: here's where it gets crazy stuff. Well, it's uh, it's 493 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: kind of sad bend but a lot of this stuff 494 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: it seems at least to be religious discrimination. I see, yeah, 495 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: just because it's a group that is easy to uh 496 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: so mistrust about, and it makes sense. They're really powerful 497 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: at the time, too super powerful group, and you know, 498 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of fear when there's power, 499 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: and oh yeah, definitely. I mean, I can't even handle 500 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: being the first car in line at a traffic stops. 501 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: You know, I'm a megalomaniac at that point, are you kidding? 502 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: I'm Kanye west of the boulevard meets the avenue, hits 503 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: that front line. I'm like, I'm gonna go slow and 504 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna like the music I'm playing really loudly with 505 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: the music down. Is that true? Um? That was you man. 506 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: So we know that there are examples of this to 507 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: what we're seeing is that these kind of accusations have 508 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: gone from pretty much the late fifteen hundreds, uh all 509 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: the way from World War two UH to uh where 510 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: For example, Nazis also used anti Jesuit propaganda to try 511 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: to discredit the Catholic Church in Germany. UH. And you know, honestly, 512 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: if we're being completely honest, Matt, it is true from everything. 513 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: We found that the Society of Jesus has at different 514 00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: times certainly been hungry for power and garnered political influence. Yeah, 515 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: and you know, they had this emphasis on education, so 516 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: it was probably viewed that, you know, they're trying to 517 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: just completely convert massive suaves of whatever country you're in. 518 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I can see how that would be a 519 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: little scary. Well, there was an interesting there was an 520 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: interesting um I guess at the time it was a 521 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: debacle in China when the Society of Jesus was doing 522 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: mission work there, because they assimilated so well into the 523 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: local culture and the circles of power that the controversial 524 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: choice they made, which the Pope did not care for, 525 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: was that they said, okay, well, if you were Christian 526 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: and you still want to participate in traditional Confucian rights, 527 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: let's fine with us because it's a cultural thing. We 528 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: think it's cultural, we don't think it's religious. Uh. You know, 529 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: our guys can participate in it too. And they got 530 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: in quite a bit of trouble for that. Uh. And 531 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: also you know, it shows dissension in the ranks. But 532 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: with all this said, I don't know about you. This 533 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite parts of the show right 534 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: up there with the let's talk about the crazy stuff. 535 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: That's where I get to ask you what you think 536 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: about this this whole thing? Man? You love it, don't 537 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: you love making me sit here and think really hard, 538 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: not just asking? Yeah? Well, man, I I don't know. 539 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: This is a tough one for me because you know, 540 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: anytime you bring religion in UM and I'm not trying 541 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: to be disrespectful to anyone, but I think about power, 542 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,280 Speaker 1: and I think about UM a lot of times, great 543 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 1: amounts of wealth, and then when you add this group 544 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: that in my eyes at this point doesn't seem to 545 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: be as evil as a lot of the rumors and 546 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories would say, and not even close to that, 547 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: I would say that they probably do have a lot 548 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: of power still even now. Yeah, it's the largest male 549 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: order of the Catholic Church, still right. And you know, 550 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: as far as the vow goes, you got me on 551 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: that one. I couldn't tell you one way or the other. 552 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: But everything that we found seems to point to it 553 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: being a forgery. Yeah, we I know that we ruffled 554 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: some feathers a little bit when we said this thing 555 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: is a forgery. But if we find something and we 556 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: have compelling evidence that it is true or not true, 557 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: then it is sort of our job. We we can't 558 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: and by sort of I mean definitely actually our job. 559 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: We can't pretend that we don't know that kind of thing. 560 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm interested in this too. This was really a sticky 561 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: subject for us, because, as you said, we typically avoid religion. 562 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 1: Now I know that there are listeners out there saying, wait, 563 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: you guys have done a number of videos on different 564 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 1: things about the Catholic Church, but typically what we're covering 565 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: when we do that would be something like a political activity, 566 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: an event us and yeah, an assassination, or an explanation 567 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: about you know, the Vatican secret archives, which are real thing, 568 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: but don't exactly mean what you think they mean. Yes, 569 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: you you kind of gave an overview, but you've gotta 570 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: tell me what you think. I am certain that over 571 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 1: the history of this organization there have been various laws broken. 572 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: And uh, when I say this organization, I mean specifically 573 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: the Society of Jesus at times, because you know, it's 574 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: been around for so long and there have been so 575 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: many people, and uh, they have successfully paved the way 576 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: for a lot of things, especially education. I mean Jesuit 577 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: schools are still amazing today, right, Uh, But clearly you 578 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: can't have an organization of that size, of that power 579 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: for that long without somebody uh doing something wrong. It's 580 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: just the nature of human beings. Now. As for whether, uh, 581 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: the Society of Jesus is out to embark upon a 582 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 1: global crusade to take over the world and make every 583 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: single person cath like, I I think that that's a 584 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: little bit. I don't know, that's like, it just doesn't 585 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 1: make sense to me because if that were the case, 586 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: then given that they've been around for so long, we 587 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,479 Speaker 1: would have seen more of that. What we're seeing now 588 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: are overall quite a few people dedicating their lives to 589 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 1: traveling to some pretty rough places in the world and 590 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: trying to educate people and raise money to meet survival needs. 591 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: And these guys, you know, when they when they join, 592 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: they take the vow of poverty and chastity um, both 593 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: of which I would personally have a hard time subscribing to. 594 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: So I respect people, you know, I respect people when 595 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: they have a code of ethics. But I still we 596 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: walked away from this video series and I just want 597 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: to know more. So I've ordered a couple more books 598 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 1: actually about the Jesuits, and I'm gonna be extend sly 599 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: reading them because i just want to know it's there's 600 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: some there. There's so many stories. And we found a 601 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: few that were true, right, uh, And we found a 602 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: few that we think are likely false. But we're barely 603 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,879 Speaker 1: scratching the surface. He had not even close, not even 604 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: to made a dent to my friend, buddy. It's okay, 605 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: we will, we may, we may come back. Let's do 606 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: a little more research. What do you say? All right, 607 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: I'm on board if you are my friends. 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