Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast wants to know more about
Speaker 1: Greg's Emo fade. Welcome to another edition of Around the NFL.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan hands As I'm joined from a
Speaker 1: virtual room filled with some heroes. Mark Sessler. Greg Rosenthal
Speaker 1: was Greg's band Emo. I always thought it was more
Speaker 1: a cyber goth punk outfit, but produced the tapes. Greg
Speaker 1: produced the tapes Delaware. We've We've been over this so
Speaker 1: many times. It was neither. It was sort of like
Speaker 1: a jokey rock band, maybe a little like Dead Milkman.
Speaker 1: Or they might be Giants were some bands I mentioned,
Speaker 1: so a less cool they might be giants. That is
Speaker 1: a profile that's a tough space to capture. Mark. We
Speaker 1: were in the rock space speaking of Emo and the
Speaker 1: pop punk band The Wonder Years and their singer and songwriter,
Speaker 1: Dan Or. One of their songwriters has been a long
Speaker 1: time listener of the show and we've been in contact
Speaker 1: with them for a few years now, and they had
Speaker 1: a show at the Balasco Downtown. So the dads saddled
Speaker 1: up and went and saw the show and that was
Speaker 1: a pretty cool experience. I just want to thank the
Speaker 1: guys for that. I'm wearing some Wonder Years merch talked
Speaker 1: to and Dan does such great job with the merch.
Speaker 1: I was like, Dan, I think we need help because
Speaker 1: we need to do some merch on at N. It's
Speaker 1: something we've heard over and over again. But the show
Speaker 1: was incredible and I'm watching it, Mark, and we're watching
Speaker 1: it from our advantage point, and like, how do we
Speaker 1: do an ATN live show where the people care as
Speaker 1: much about that band as they do about a football podcast?
Speaker 1: Is that's my new goal in my career in life? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you kept mentioning that, and like my thought watching it
Speaker 1: was like there's something specific about the fact that this
Speaker 1: is music, that it's musical, that it's punk, that the
Speaker 1: crowd is like grappling with each other and writhing. I
Speaker 1: don't know if our shows UM lathered the crowd up
Speaker 1: to that degree. They are a drinking crowd, but I
Speaker 1: mean we have been UM corresponding with Dan Campbell from
Speaker 1: The Wonder Years for a while. West used to write
Speaker 1: back and forth with them all the time, and like, um,
Speaker 1: you know there were moments where he said come to
Speaker 1: our show, like it's in the Inland Empire, etc. And
Speaker 1: like never really got around to it, unfortunately, But last night.
Speaker 1: We were up high, you know, high up in the
Speaker 1: in the in the in the venue and just looking
Speaker 1: down on him basically commanding this crowd. I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: I've been writing to this guy for this many years
Speaker 1: and he is absolutely destroying this crowd. I was shocked.
Speaker 1: It was amazing, and I just think like a the band,
Speaker 1: but him, his talent and what he brought like it
Speaker 1: was shocking and not. You know, the one thing I'd
Speaker 1: say merchandise wise is they don't have like a hulking,
Speaker 1: money hungry mother ship hanging over them like we do,
Speaker 1: like which sort of has prevented us from doing merchandise.
Speaker 1: If we can get that mother shift to shift a
Speaker 1: couple of times zones to the right or left, I
Speaker 1: think the mothership would be like, okay, we could do
Speaker 1: an exchange. You could sell the mercy want we will
Speaker 1: take off into another solar system, or we'll take the
Speaker 1: money that you make off it. I mean, that's been
Speaker 1: you know, but I it was a lesson in many ways.
Speaker 1: It was great, A great night. Yeah. I mean, what
Speaker 1: happened to your boy over here last night? I heard
Speaker 1: about this concert was two months ago on DMS. No
Speaker 1: one even told me about this Dan. I didn't any connection, honestly, Greg,
Speaker 1: because like I was on a DM threat and he
Speaker 1: was like mentioned at January show and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that sounds great when you come back in March. Oh
Speaker 1: that's he That's a classic miscommunication there, Greggy. I always
Speaker 1: thought that the Dan one of yours connection wasn't connected
Speaker 1: to you. Um. That was a classic miscommunication, sitch. And
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I was put I was
Speaker 1: reminded of it because it just so happens that my barber,
Speaker 1: Brett Um, who does amazing work at JAG's Barbershop in
Speaker 1: Westchester area of Los Angeles, has been touring with that
Speaker 1: a band for years and we met up with Brett
Speaker 1: my buddy too. That's that's a bad beat, Greg, It
Speaker 1: was not perfect. It's cool. Me and Gravedigger are gonna
Speaker 1: go watch like a French movie this weekend together and
Speaker 1: that's cool, Greg, Greg, no offense on that front. I
Speaker 1: do recall that there was a time that you and
Speaker 1: I were in the newsroom together and that that the
Speaker 1: Wonder Years wanted to take a tour of NFL Network
Speaker 1: and I took, you know, thirty to forty minutes of
Speaker 1: my day to tour them around the various studios in
Speaker 1: rooms of NFL Network. And uh, I don't recall your
Speaker 1: zest and zeal for that, but I think that we
Speaker 1: could make this, We could make it up to them
Speaker 1: and them to you by going to the next show
Speaker 1: that they offer and lost they're playing I think in
Speaker 1: the next couple of nights in La again. No, they're
Speaker 1: gonna be down to San Diego, Greg, So there's a
Speaker 1: make the drive. There's another option. All right, good show,
Speaker 1: good show coming up today. I mean this has hung
Speaker 1: a our cloud over the whole operation. Well, we should
Speaker 1: mention we're taping in new new locales. I'm in my
Speaker 1: garage for the first time, so hopefully it sounds okay.
Speaker 1: You can check it out on YouTube. I guess yeah,
Speaker 1: check it out on YouTube. I actually see Greg right away.
Speaker 1: I see a Joe Namath photo behind you. Is that
Speaker 1: a name of bio or just a standalone photo? You know.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that this is the first edition, and I
Speaker 1: just wanted to put it front and center, not only
Speaker 1: for you, but also for the hut spot. This is
Speaker 1: the front of the book. Literally, this is the front
Speaker 1: of the book. The back of the book is the name,
Speaker 1: which is I can't wait until tomorrow because I get
Speaker 1: because I get better looking every day by Joe. But
Speaker 1: the fact that he had the hut spot to just
Speaker 1: put his beautiful maga on the front of the book
Speaker 1: with no writing, that's pretty about now. How about Mark?
Speaker 1: And you're in a new locate. By the way, the
Speaker 1: tugboat as always just a figure of immense stability. I'm
Speaker 1: in the same place, uh, Greg's I was in my
Speaker 1: last place for ten years. What are you talking about? Mark?
Speaker 1: Mark is also once again in a new spot. It
Speaker 1: looks like you've left whatever penitentiary you're in, which is
Speaker 1: already minimum security, and now it looks like maybe you're
Speaker 1: in an old age home. Based on the background on no,
Speaker 1: I like I have more you know, I found out,
Speaker 1: you know, forty eight hours ago that we were doing
Speaker 1: this remotely. So I had literally put a desk together
Speaker 1: yesterday for five or six hours and have hung one
Speaker 1: painting to cast off this idea that I'm in a jail.
Speaker 1: It's just sort of a white wall. I need to
Speaker 1: add more decord decoration. It's also a classic like reformed
Speaker 1: prisoner move to take up like painting while in the
Speaker 1: can so maybe that's what's happening here, just the theory. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean my father painted this picture behind me, so
Speaker 1: I can't claim what his journey was on that one
Speaker 1: on that front. All right, Very good, very good, and Greg,
Speaker 1: just so you know, especially after the one to year situation,
Speaker 1: I do find you to be a figure of immense
Speaker 1: stability as well when it comes through the show in
Speaker 1: this enterprise. Thank you. All right. We have as promised,
Speaker 1: the Combine kicks off in terms of the you know,
Speaker 1: the bulk of it is, they have the play, the
Speaker 1: coaches and gms talking earlier in the week. Now all
Speaker 1: the prospects are doing their workouts and Landsierline will join
Speaker 1: us long time draft and combine superstar for the NFL
Speaker 1: and beyond in a bit. But let's start by getting
Speaker 1: caught up on the latest in the news. The John's
Speaker 1: guide of the game to the quarter makes people miss,
Speaker 1: makes one of those pucks looking like Reggie pucks in
Speaker 1: the open field, number five two running the London one
Speaker 1: yard nine be John Robinson show you what he can do?
Speaker 1: Who John Robinson, um uber prospect out of Grave Diggers
Speaker 1: Alma Mater, University of Texas and who com hoom hoom hoom.
Speaker 1: And you know when we come up with the news
Speaker 1: drop each show, Graver and I will kind of talk
Speaker 1: it over. And when I when I threw that out
Speaker 1: as an option, I could actually see on our instant
Speaker 1: Messenger climate client the glee coming off the response, which
Speaker 1: is like, I think I can do that. When I said,
Speaker 1: go get a highlight of this highly touted running back
Speaker 1: prospect coming into the league this year, justin Digger, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes we're in the middle of a conversation and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the grave Digger drop hits and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: justin what's up that time? A legitimate tea up. He
Speaker 1: pops onto the screen and then disappears without saying a word.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to give the YouTube audience like a
Speaker 1: visual of my glee that you could feel. I didn't
Speaker 1: know if the pod audience needed it as much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, hooks for the shout out. Yeah alr right,
Speaker 1: good Stuffy, continue the shoe. All right, let's heavy into
Speaker 1: whiskey since eight am. Just for the just to inform
Speaker 1: you and and just then if can you just pop
Speaker 1: in a second again. This is for that YouTube audience.
Speaker 1: You know we're gonna be doing some remote shows throughout
Speaker 1: the offseason post draft. Maybe we just work on the
Speaker 1: lighting a little bit and just clean up the visual
Speaker 1: for yourself, yanks. Wow. I was excited to debut in
Speaker 1: my new background too, but I guess it's not good enough.
Speaker 1: I'll work on I like the road backgrounds indorable. You
Speaker 1: got a hanging like Neon Titan sign and then what
Speaker 1: looks like a rotating mini helmet Titans mini helmet that's
Speaker 1: going at maybe I don't know, like twenty four percent
Speaker 1: faster speed than I would have expected it to be moving.
Speaker 1: It's the little motor on that is really cooking. Yep.
Speaker 1: Jessica got me this this sign for Christmas. I think
Speaker 1: she was actually inspired by your old zuser sign behind you.
Speaker 1: So now we got where the Neon boys. Yea. I
Speaker 1: love you. Know, you know you've really made it when
Speaker 1: you put your nickname up in Neon lights behind you.
Speaker 1: You gotta do that. That's one way to put it.
Speaker 1: That is a gift from Kevin danger hands as my brother.
Speaker 1: And at first I was sheepish about it, and I
Speaker 1: was like, do I really want to do that? And
Speaker 1: then I thought about it similar as I was like,
Speaker 1: I definitely want to do that, and now it hangs
Speaker 1: behind me forever. All right, let's get into it. Evan Ingram,
Speaker 1: tight end, disappointing during his Giant's tenure, lands with the
Speaker 1: Jaguars on a nice, a nice, team friendly contract in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, has a breakout season, and now we're
Speaker 1: hearing reports from ESPN that the Jags are expected to
Speaker 1: franchise the tight end. That tag, by the way, is
Speaker 1: a touch over eleven million, So that doesn't preclude the
Speaker 1: team from working out a longer term deal with Ingram,
Speaker 1: but it does point to the Jags continue to do
Speaker 1: business with Ingram, which, as we talked about earlier this week,
Speaker 1: Mark makes a lot of sense because I don't know,
Speaker 1: can't you just picture Ingram and Trevor Lawrence doing some
Speaker 1: real damage over the next few years. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think the thing is they've done a good job. They
Speaker 1: were aggressive last offseason with trying in free agency to
Speaker 1: surround Lawrence with what they could Ingram, We've just waited
Speaker 1: for years for him to for the durability to keep
Speaker 1: him through a season, and we saw it. He worked
Speaker 1: out with Trevor Lawrence. The one thing about the Jaguars,
Speaker 1: Like I know that you know, Trent Balki was just
Speaker 1: maligned all last offseason and prior were just like this
Speaker 1: guy that people don't like. It was just a lot
Speaker 1: of like negative press around him. But they quietly went
Speaker 1: and also traded for Calvin Ridley during the season, and
Speaker 1: I just think that you look at the weapons they have,
Speaker 1: it's like the Jaguars have done what you want to
Speaker 1: do with a young quarterback, and so why would you
Speaker 1: do anything other than keep Evan Ingram around you haven't
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley to the mix. I just think it's a
Speaker 1: very interesting offense with a quarterback that's developing as quickly
Speaker 1: as any other quarterback in the league right now. No,
Speaker 1: all the fans are showing up with clown noses, and
Speaker 1: I know that was more for our ownership, but that
Speaker 1: was also partly because he was keeping Trent balky. They
Speaker 1: had a great offseason last offseason. They said to open
Speaker 1: this offseason they won't be spending like crazy. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be about keeping the guys that they have. Obviously, Ridley
Speaker 1: will be a nice addition. John Taylor is a tackle
Speaker 1: who's a free agent for them. I think they might
Speaker 1: cut Shack Griffin in the coming days to open up
Speaker 1: some space. They don't have much. The tight end market's
Speaker 1: pretty interesting at the top, Dalton Sults, who I think
Speaker 1: might actually get to free agency because I think they
Speaker 1: might tag Tony Pollard and then Mike Gasecki. Like a
Speaker 1: couple good tight ends out there. Where did you have
Speaker 1: Ingram in your top one O one? Greggy twenty seven?
Speaker 1: I think I had him fifty a year ago, which
Speaker 1: proved to be too low, too low. I I like him.
Speaker 1: I think he's a good player. It's interesting because the
Speaker 1: Giants are coming off a playoff season. They get to
Speaker 1: the second round and they need weapons, and we don't
Speaker 1: even know if Barkley is going to be back. And
Speaker 1: then you look at like, well, they traded Kadarius Tony,
Speaker 1: who's a big time playmaker for the Chiefs, and then
Speaker 1: they let Evan Ingram walk And in both cases there
Speaker 1: was logic to it. But I just wonder where they
Speaker 1: stay and on that now, with a little more time passing,
Speaker 1: they're probably cool. They probably feel pretty good about their process.
Speaker 1: I'm just pointing it out. In other news, Uh, Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: You know, Mike McCarthy is a figure of suspicion. Uh
Speaker 1: for the football GA Sante. Everybody knows it Um, And
Speaker 1: I think that's part of the reason why zuzzer Um
Speaker 1: tends to defend Zaddie, because he's had some success in
Speaker 1: the league. He's won a super I mean, a nickname
Speaker 1: for your nickname? What is that even? What is that that?
Speaker 1: This is what you're trying to peddle because this started,
Speaker 1: I had not yet. It's it's clearly a move. He
Speaker 1: had a list of you know, brand building. He wanted
Speaker 1: to a kind of off season, he said, this week
Speaker 1: I debut. I know you have a very dim view
Speaker 1: of me in some ways, Gregg, and you think this
Speaker 1: is calculated. But in truth, as with all of my nicknames,
Speaker 1: they come from a natural, organic place. And I don't
Speaker 1: even know where Zazzer is coming from. It's coming from
Speaker 1: old Zeusser right behind you. Well right, that is the
Speaker 1: that's the root. That's the root. Absolutely, And you could say, holy,
Speaker 1: the guy with a nickname and neon behind him now
Speaker 1: has a nickname of a different nickname. I get it all,
Speaker 1: I get it all, but I'm just saying I'm just
Speaker 1: angry looking at that that that wonder Year's shirt the
Speaker 1: whole time. I mean, old Dan was dming me from
Speaker 1: his tour bus in Europe watching me on Monday night
Speaker 1: football over on Channel five Ones. We were back and
Speaker 1: forth during the show, so we go way back all
Speaker 1: the way. Okay, but calculations us like like the concert
Speaker 1: would have been more enjoyable, more vibrant had you been
Speaker 1: with us. I think we both acknowledge that. But let's
Speaker 1: not look past Dan's um, you know, heartfelt Mia Colpa too.
Speaker 1: There was a moment where he spent two or three
Speaker 1: seconds deciding should I maybe not hang that neon sign?
Speaker 1: But then he turned around and said, yes I should,
Speaker 1: And yet then yeah, then I should take that name
Speaker 1: and make a nickname off it. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: happening all at once, Greg, And yes, that's all true, Mark, Greg. Miscommunication,
Speaker 1: maybe an oversight by Mark and I. We've addressed it,
Speaker 1: we apologized. But if you're as close as you say
Speaker 1: you are to Dan, Soupy Campbell and the rest of
Speaker 1: the Wonder Years gang, perhaps you would have been connected
Speaker 1: on the show in downtown LA last night. Now you're
Speaker 1: just punch it out, you know. Anyway, Let's talk about
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy as I said, he is a figure of
Speaker 1: suspicion for the cool kids. He's a guy that's viewed
Speaker 1: as a little bit out of touch at times. He's
Speaker 1: a guy that is viewed as not with the modern game.
Speaker 1: And he has success in the league and that's cool,
Speaker 1: But then he has comments like he had at the
Speaker 1: Combine this week that really do put him out there
Speaker 1: on an island to take some heat. It happened over
Speaker 1: comments about his offense, and the comments were connected to
Speaker 1: his the play calling of the Cowboys under Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: the type of offense that Michae McCarthy wants to run.
Speaker 1: This is what he said in part, I've been where
Speaker 1: Kellen has been. You know what, we don't have the sound.
Speaker 1: But give me some ZADDI. Give me some ZADDI. Give
Speaker 1: me a zaddi slow jam energy. Underneath this quote, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's nice. Oh yeah, okay, now I'm minute. All right,
Speaker 1: here's what he said, I've been where Kellen has been.
Speaker 1: Kelen wants to light the scoreboard up, but I want
Speaker 1: to run the damn ball, so I can rest my defense.
Speaker 1: I don't desire to be the number one offense in
Speaker 1: the league. Baby. I ended that I want to be
Speaker 1: the number one team in the league with a number
Speaker 1: of wins and a championship, And if we have to
Speaker 1: give up some production and take care of the ball
Speaker 1: better to get that, then that's what we'll do. Oh Zaddy,
Speaker 1: you're so extra. Now. He's been hammered on social media
Speaker 1: and beyond for these comments, and I get that he's
Speaker 1: a big target. The Cowboys are a big target. Does
Speaker 1: it make any sense what he said in your mind? No?
Speaker 1: I mean because because he was talking about how he
Speaker 1: needs he wants to play to the defense and rest
Speaker 1: the defense, like scoring touchdowns, you're gonna have long drives
Speaker 1: passing the ball. They were really effective when throwing on
Speaker 1: early downs last year and ineffective when they would run
Speaker 1: on early downs. And I'm just thinking about his time
Speaker 1: in Green Bay where this was kind of like the
Speaker 1: last thing he did was takeover play calling and it
Speaker 1: didn't go well. And he said the last month, you know,
Speaker 1: being in schematic meetings and starting to prepare the offense
Speaker 1: is like the most fun that he's had since he's
Speaker 1: been in with the Cowboys. So I get it, Like,
Speaker 1: if he's gonna go down in Dallas, he wants to
Speaker 1: go down his way, But I think Kellen Moore is
Speaker 1: more respected around the league than I really anticipated that.
Speaker 1: A lot of people think he's gonna be amazing in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. We'll see, and that it'll be a big
Speaker 1: loss for Mike McCarthy. I mean, I don't have a
Speaker 1: huge problem with what McCarthy said, because I think he's
Speaker 1: just trying to shift gears to something else. But why
Speaker 1: do you need to throw Kellen Moore under the bus?
Speaker 1: Why even bring up Kellen Moore's name. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was your choice, Mike McCarthy, when you came in to
Speaker 1: keep Kellen Moore around. That would have been the time
Speaker 1: to send him out somewhere else. But you embraced him.
Speaker 1: You you credited him with his skills, and you gave
Speaker 1: him a chance to call the offense. They were good
Speaker 1: under Kellen Moore from much of that stretch. And so
Speaker 1: now it's on Mike McCarthy because you've thrown every other
Speaker 1: scapegoat aside. So it's like, I think he understands and
Speaker 1: we all understand that, Like Mike McCarthy probably has one season.
Speaker 1: Win totals matter, the playoffs matter, and he has got
Speaker 1: one season to prove he can do it much better
Speaker 1: and take them deeper into the playoffs or I think
Speaker 1: he's out. I do think I remember having the belief
Speaker 1: that entering this past season he had to at least
Speaker 1: get back to the divisional round, and he did and
Speaker 1: then they were dispatched again. I think next year it's
Speaker 1: kind of title game or bust um for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and it's getting a becoming a bigger ask to keep
Speaker 1: McCarthy around. I think that's really what it's going to take.
Speaker 1: And I the one my one feeling on it. I
Speaker 1: agree with you Mark that you don't need to there's
Speaker 1: a way to say what he said in a less
Speaker 1: clumsy manner, and I wish we could hear what he
Speaker 1: actually said. The reason I read it uh for his
Speaker 1: slow jams are awesome. But also I think it happened
Speaker 1: in a side scrum with the local media rather than
Speaker 1: on the on the riser. That's why we don't have it. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think what happened here also is is this a
Speaker 1: little bit of a commentary on Dak and and Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore putting so much face in Dak being a superstar
Speaker 1: talent at quarterback, which he certainly has looked like at times,
Speaker 1: including in the wild card playoffs this year, but then
Speaker 1: you saw what he bottomed out in the divisional round
Speaker 1: through a lot of picks, a lot of turnovers this
Speaker 1: past season. I think McCarthy, what you're we're probably gonna
Speaker 1: see is they're still gonna throw the ball a bunch
Speaker 1: like all teams do. But I think McCarthy maybe wants
Speaker 1: to not basically say give the keys to Dak and
Speaker 1: say lead us. Because Jara thinks you're one of the
Speaker 1: greats of all time. I think there's some of that
Speaker 1: buried in this, but I think it gets missed. It
Speaker 1: goes in a different direction when it seems pointed at
Speaker 1: the previous OC I'd be interesting good read. I think
Speaker 1: that's a good read. And I think their whole, the
Speaker 1: whole Cowboys last two seasons and Kellen Moore's career would
Speaker 1: probably look different if they didn't have to happen to
Speaker 1: face the best defense in the league back to back
Speaker 1: seasons in each playoffs. I mean, that's what happens when
Speaker 1: you get I get it, but I just mean that
Speaker 1: like the fact that they just got man handled both
Speaker 1: times by the forty nine ers definitely put them in
Speaker 1: a bed by it's like you you exited both games,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't want to over emphasize, like
Speaker 1: what happened to Both games ended in total folly. You
Speaker 1: leave your cowboy fan base thinking about a final fifteen
Speaker 1: to twenty seconds that looked as disorganized as possible by
Speaker 1: a playoff team. All right, let's stop right here, take
Speaker 1: a break and hit some more news. All right, we're back.
Speaker 1: In other news, Jets coach Robert Salau spoke about his
Speaker 1: very it's very unclear what their quarterback room is going
Speaker 1: to be in twenty twenty three. Right now, you have
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson on his rookie deal, Mike White has headed
Speaker 1: toward free agency. The team has been very clear about
Speaker 1: wanting to add a veteran quarterback, and Salom made some
Speaker 1: headlines in Indie with this comment on White and his
Speaker 1: future with the Jets. Where are you guys on Mike White?
Speaker 1: Would you like to have him back at the quarterback? Oh? Yeah, no, Mike, Mike. Uh.
Speaker 1: I know, like I probably should be talking about him more. Mike.
Speaker 1: Mike deserves every bit be talked about. He should be
Speaker 1: on this roster also, and he's you know, we carried
Speaker 1: three last year. But again, he's going through his process
Speaker 1: and it's just something that obviously we're keeping close tabs on.
Speaker 1: So if I may, I believe there's some combine coach
Speaker 1: speak here. He should be on the roster because they
Speaker 1: like him, and he's talented in their minds, and and
Speaker 1: he's somebody that in the most dire straits and outcomes
Speaker 1: for the Jets. Maybe he did come back and he's
Speaker 1: their starter because he flashed last year in the year before.
Speaker 1: But I would say Mike White is probably like would
Speaker 1: be fifth or sixth on their list of choices for
Speaker 1: someone who's going to come back. Zach Wilson most likely
Speaker 1: not going anywhere, could be traded perhaps, but if they're
Speaker 1: serious about keeping him and developing him, so he takes
Speaker 1: up a spot. Obviously, if you bring in a veteran
Speaker 1: quarterback takes up another spot. Mike White's gonna have value
Speaker 1: and free agency and he's gonna want to go somewhere
Speaker 1: he has a chance to play Mike White and the
Speaker 1: Jets are over. But the head coach in my mind is,
Speaker 1: you know, because where we are in the league calendar,
Speaker 1: they don't know who the quarterback is yet, So right now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he makes sense to somebody that could be in the mix,
Speaker 1: but I don't think he is at all trading Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson is complicated. I still would like any scenario where
Speaker 1: that'd be possible and you bring back Mike White as
Speaker 1: a backup. There is a world where Lamar Jackson, after
Speaker 1: all this drama, just stays with the Ravens. Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: stays in Green Bay. Derek Carr decides he loves the
Speaker 1: Saints and the Jets, who you know, I think it's fair.
Speaker 1: We understand how aggressive and frankly desperate they are for
Speaker 1: a veteran quarterback they can trust, but they get left
Speaker 1: out in the cold, and then you got to deal
Speaker 1: with like you have been pumping up Zach Wilson although
Speaker 1: no one buys it, and you're pumping up Mike White,
Speaker 1: but you might be stuck with, like who do you
Speaker 1: gets your quarterback at that point? Robert Salo knows Jimmy
Speaker 1: g But it's like there is this assumption they're going
Speaker 1: to get one of these three guys, and it could
Speaker 1: play out very differently in Leaves. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: the way it's set up, they're gonna get car I've
Speaker 1: heard and you never know. You hear a lot of
Speaker 1: different things. But I have heard some rumnies. You know,
Speaker 1: cars market might not be as great as he hoped.
Speaker 1: I we'll see. But I just think the Jets are
Speaker 1: the team that are going to make that thing happen.
Speaker 1: If if they can't do better, they'll get good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say in this order for me, but Rogers,
Speaker 1: Lamar car Jimmy g will be the Jets starting quarterback.
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, to Mark's point, if all that
Speaker 1: fell through, I think they would start kicking the tires
Speaker 1: and things we haven't connected to connected to them, like
Speaker 1: a Tannehill or Stafford or even Gino for Christ's sake,
Speaker 1: Like before they said okay, let's just run it back
Speaker 1: with Mike White. I would some clarity would be nice
Speaker 1: at that position. How about the Carson Wentz Did we
Speaker 1: ever do the Carson Wentz released? By the way, the
Speaker 1: poor guy didn't even crack the top one. I won.
Speaker 1: Oh we forgot that. I forgot. Carson Wentz was released
Speaker 1: by the Commanders right after our show last week. And no,
Speaker 1: I don't think that would be an option for the Nets.
Speaker 1: But I don't either. His career is over. I think
Speaker 1: Greg Greg Greg around, like really go ahead and starts
Speaker 1: to take commands Greg around week twelve or thirteen, if
Speaker 1: you want to have him to take command, Like, um,
Speaker 1: I thought you came up with a great idea where
Speaker 1: like use Carson Wentz as like a short yardage hammer,
Speaker 1: like a like a Taysom Hill type guy that can
Speaker 1: come in like he's not your he's your backup, but
Speaker 1: he's used in certain ways where you take advantage of
Speaker 1: the fact that he's like built like a front door.
Speaker 1: I kind of like that, like this is a guy
Speaker 1: that like has talent. I just don't want him leading
Speaker 1: the team. Just just be ready, guys, especially you mark
Speaker 1: for Carson Wentz week one starter of the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 1: Why would you do that? Carson Wentz has made too
Speaker 1: much money to do Taysom Hills or all at this point,
Speaker 1: I think he'd be like, see you later over that,
Speaker 1: um all right. In other news the Chargers, it's been
Speaker 1: spoken of that um Keenan Allen's time with the team
Speaker 1: could be over. The veteran wide receiver has a tradable
Speaker 1: contractum and yet Tom Talesco, the GM of the Chargers,
Speaker 1: try to throw some cold water on that at the Combine.
Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say. Kenian Allen to me,
Speaker 1: he like, he's our Andre Reid. Yeah, he's our Charlie
Speaker 1: Joiner Like, yeah, he's he's an incredible football player, tack.
Speaker 1: We need weapons around him, you know, there's never been
Speaker 1: any thought of that. So he's he's he's with us.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, between him and Mike Williams and
Speaker 1: Josh Palmer, we think that's a great three receivers for
Speaker 1: our quarterback. Got also Necklert running back. You know, we've
Speaker 1: got an offensive line that can protect. So you know,
Speaker 1: those are key weapons we need for our quarterbacks. Makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense to me, boys, how about you same?
Speaker 1: And Uh, it's rare we actually get hard news in
Speaker 1: the combine. And I think this is why I was
Speaker 1: worth pointing out like that. You can put that to
Speaker 1: bed now. I think he wouldn't have said that unless
Speaker 1: he knew that's absolutely the plan. He was on the
Speaker 1: set there, I believe with our friend andrews Siciliana Little
Speaker 1: NFL network news breaking. Okay, it's not Andrew Siciliano Graver's
Speaker 1: shaking his head, Just tell me who it was. Then
Speaker 1: that was on Good Morning Football, which is a great
Speaker 1: program itself. That was Peter Schreger who was speaking with
Speaker 1: they're using the same set. Good job, Pete, A great journalist,
Speaker 1: Peter Schreeger. I wouldn't know what you know on the show,
Speaker 1: Peter Schreeger. Um. I love Peter Schreeger. He's connected as
Speaker 1: hell and he'll let you know about it. There was
Speaker 1: a great shot um at the famous steakhouse uh Saint
Speaker 1: Elmo in Indianapolis of Schreeger eating the shrimp cocktail with
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, legendary coach and reigning Super Bowl champions, sitting
Speaker 1: in the booth next to him, and then I believe um,
Speaker 1: Peter put in the caption with the tweet, Oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, it's Brett Veach the GM taking the photo
Speaker 1: spots we got to work on. I mean, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: But also is it an awkward moment when it's like
Speaker 1: Pete's like, hey, can can you take the picture? Like
Speaker 1: I want to get all big old big Red over
Speaker 1: and big Red in the shot, putting Beach in a
Speaker 1: bad spot, take a big dirt nap because Beach takedown
Speaker 1: since he was on year the GM around in two
Speaker 1: thousand and nineteen. Yeah, but think from the Schrager brand
Speaker 1: end of things, that's huge. Yeah, I have the GM.
Speaker 1: They got the architect of this championship team. As I
Speaker 1: eat steak, do a little like photo icon, Brett Beach.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's the next level move. Um. This
Speaker 1: is the first time I haven't had a Indianapolis steak
Speaker 1: in February or March in a decade. And I know
Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh, Sanmo, it's not that good. I like it.
Speaker 1: I used to say to Connor when we would all
Speaker 1: get together and people would complain about going there all
Speaker 1: the time, I would say, it's not about the meat.
Speaker 1: It's the meat. Eat eet No. I think we're circling
Speaker 1: back to that conversation before the mark. Yeah, interpersonal connection
Speaker 1: I think is very important. I think we I think
Speaker 1: we knew where you were, where you were coming from
Speaker 1: with that, and just sort of in awe of your wordplay.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. And and we missed a lot
Speaker 1: of traditions in Indianapolis this week, but we at least
Speaker 1: got to hear that phrase from Dad. I think there
Speaker 1: was like like a tiny bit of mild grumbling one time,
Speaker 1: and then it like all we've heard about it's like
Speaker 1: everyone knows is talking about the eight. Almost. Well, here's
Speaker 1: what it's really about. It's about America. It's about America.
Speaker 1: It's rooted in patriotism. Uh no, it's it's it's a thing,
Speaker 1: and I miss it. I wish, I wish we were
Speaker 1: having steak with Connor roor So we're not all right.
Speaker 1: In other news of the Ravens haven't had a lot
Speaker 1: of success building out their wide receiver room during the
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson era, and Eric Decasa spoke about that at
Speaker 1: the combine this week with the media. He had some
Speaker 1: candid thoughts on that, and after those comments were aggregated,
Speaker 1: Rashad Bateman, the twenty twenty one first round pick at
Speaker 1: the position, offered up a tweet that he then deleted,
Speaker 1: but it lives forever on the internet, and he said
Speaker 1: this at his GM. How about you play to your
Speaker 1: player's strength and stop pointing the finger at us and
Speaker 1: number eight that's referencing, of course, Lamar Jackson. Blame the
Speaker 1: one you let do this. We take heat twenty four
Speaker 1: to seven and keep us healthy. Care about us and
Speaker 1: see what happened. Ain't no promises though. Tired of y'all
Speaker 1: lying and capping on players for no reason. After deleting
Speaker 1: the tweet, he sent out a new message, my apologies.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, maybe I shouldn't bury my boss publicly
Speaker 1: on social media. Maybe maybe on my apologies will take
Speaker 1: care of this. He's probably he's not wrong, though he's
Speaker 1: not wrong, h if. And that really does greg give
Speaker 1: you an idea of some of the legit rumblings inside
Speaker 1: that building for an organization that's usually pretty airtight, right,
Speaker 1: and Bateman has been one of their better picks. He
Speaker 1: just hasn't been healthy, or wasn't last year. But he
Speaker 1: looked like he was developing into a nice number two
Speaker 1: receiver at the least, which will live up to his
Speaker 1: late first round draft stock. But the training stuff was messy,
Speaker 1: and so I went and checked out the NFLPA report card.
Speaker 1: You guys, see this thing that came in did Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was bonkers. That thing pretty stunning. It was interesting.
Speaker 1: We could get into that you guys if you wanted.
Speaker 1: But I did check the Ravens training staff, the strength
Speaker 1: staff rather, which was the one part of the report
Speaker 1: card that almost everyone got a's and a pluses, like
Speaker 1: everyone loves their strength. Yeah, except for two teams. The
Speaker 1: Falcons had a D minus and the Ravens had an
Speaker 1: F minus. So there's something going on where like they
Speaker 1: are not happy with what's going on behind the scenes
Speaker 1: in terms of the strength staff, and that's a little
Speaker 1: different than the training staff. But the training staff got
Speaker 1: a C and the I believe the weight room got
Speaker 1: a see. So it was like a little you know,
Speaker 1: the Ravens players aren't happy and that it was. It
Speaker 1: was interesting because everyone always talks about how the Ravens
Speaker 1: are this great organization. That was a real aberration because
Speaker 1: if you looked at that report card, a lot of
Speaker 1: the weight rooms got graded poorly UM to the point
Speaker 1: where if you dug down to some of the commentary,
Speaker 1: there were players complaining, like the Arizona Cardinals um got
Speaker 1: I think the worst grade of anyone across the board.
Speaker 1: It seems like an absolute UM disaster over there. They
Speaker 1: were they were technically thirty first, but I don't know
Speaker 1: how that happened because they had four F minuses, right,
Speaker 1: I mean F minus doesn't even exist. How did you
Speaker 1: How did the Commanders finished behind the team that had
Speaker 1: four F minuses? The minus is the gentleman's e right,
Speaker 1: but the one thing that I think what a lot
Speaker 1: of the players were probably trying to do was say
Speaker 1: that in inclement environments, in the in a weight room
Speaker 1: that is not up to par, the training staff. These
Speaker 1: are the guys that motivate you and tell you we
Speaker 1: believe in you. And like the training staffs, almost across
Speaker 1: the board got B plus to A plus, except you're right,
Speaker 1: the Ravens did not. And the one thing, the one
Speaker 1: position group that seems to have been um problematic for
Speaker 1: them for so long drafting wise, was wide receivers. But
Speaker 1: go back to Hollywood brown being frustrated with that offense,
Speaker 1: for shod Bateman, frustrated with the way that he's been
Speaker 1: handled in his health because I thought he looked like
Speaker 1: he was about to set on fire early last season,
Speaker 1: and that offense. Now they've fired their offensive coordinator. It's
Speaker 1: like the Ravens that have been this like pristine organization.
Speaker 1: There were little cracks here left and right, And as
Speaker 1: an old school Browns fan, you don't hate to see it. Well, no,
Speaker 1: it's just like, you know what, you can't just coast,
Speaker 1: you gotta keep You can't have that weight room sitting
Speaker 1: out there with your training staff getting FS and d's
Speaker 1: this Ravens stuff this offseason. But you remember I was
Speaker 1: gonna I was gonna build sell the Ravens to build
Speaker 1: West the old Mouser that would an underground railroad that
Speaker 1: would go across the country. You sell the Ravens franchise
Speaker 1: for that, it'd be a better, better deal. Tough time
Speaker 1: for Cards fans out there for F minuses and looking
Speaker 1: at their roster, it just feels like they are I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've done a power rankings lately, but
Speaker 1: they might be my thirty two. I think they're my
Speaker 1: number thirties. It's gonna be a tough year in Arizona.
Speaker 1: And you know you're bad when the commanders are like
Speaker 1: looking down at you'd be like, hey, we just got
Speaker 1: one F and two F minuses, so that's cool. Finally
Speaker 1: in the news, Carolina Panthers founder Jerry Richardson died on
Speaker 1: Wednesday night at his home in Charlotte. He was eighty
Speaker 1: six years old. His celebrated figure when he brought the
Speaker 1: NFL to Carolina in nineteen ninety five, but his time
Speaker 1: with the team ended in twenty seventeen due to scandal.
Speaker 1: He was forced to sell the team to David Tepper
Speaker 1: for a then NFL record two point two seven five
Speaker 1: billion after the twenty seventeen season, amid allegations of sexual
Speaker 1: and racial misconduct in the workplace. A statue of Richardson
Speaker 1: outside the building was subsequently removed, and Richardson is now
Speaker 1: oh no longer with us. So Jerry Richardson dies at
Speaker 1: the age of eighty six, one of the only X
Speaker 1: players ever. I could be wrong, but I think he
Speaker 1: was the first X player to ever become a team
Speaker 1: owner to make that path. Before we take a break
Speaker 1: and bring in Lance Greggy, do you want to get
Speaker 1: us caught up and we talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: veterans potential cuts ahead of free agency? Here, what are
Speaker 1: some names that are jumping out to you? Is you,
Speaker 1: I know, you're licking your lips in a really kind
Speaker 1: of uncomfortable way because you want to add these guys
Speaker 1: to your top one oh one, not about their personal
Speaker 1: failures but or unemployment impending unemployment. But you just love
Speaker 1: to beef up that list. So that's kind of what
Speaker 1: it's about for you. Okay, that's not totally true. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to provide information for the listeners here of
Speaker 1: what we might see another in a week or two.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we still have the music. We
Speaker 1: used to have a segment Dan sponsored everything every week
Speaker 1: by Acrasher. What does that company do again? Accreshure, it's
Speaker 1: a it's an adult toy that we discuss earlier this week.
Speaker 1: All right, loving that sponsor. All right, some some possible
Speaker 1: cuts to look for in the coming week. It sounds
Speaker 1: like Joe Mixon has gone based on what Duke Tobin said,
Speaker 1: it just makes a lot of sense. Michael Thomas, I
Speaker 1: believe is certain to be cut. Frank Clark's a big
Speaker 1: name that I think probably gets cut. Lyle Collins with
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals, Byron Jones, Miami, Shack Griffin and Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: They need space sneaky close to the cap. Bud Dupree
Speaker 1: and Tennessee. Donovan Smith, longtime left tackle for the Titans.
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott. I think he gets cut. Let's just end
Speaker 1: this first. Eric Kendrick possibly for the Vikings, Harrison Smith,
Speaker 1: possibly for the Vikings. Adam Thieland might take a pay cut,
Speaker 1: but otherwise he might get cut. Shack Harrison, Matt Ryan, Ryan, Kelly,
Speaker 1: john Us Smith. I think your boy Corey Davis might
Speaker 1: get cut Carl, depending on what they're trying to do. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: I think Lawson's gone. They got a first round pick
Speaker 1: ready to take a spot. Okay, Holly tie, I didn't
Speaker 1: need to go first. That's fine, Romeo Acquio and I
Speaker 1: could keep going down the list of offensive linemen. But
Speaker 1: those are the biggest names I see as likely cuts
Speaker 1: in the coming room. A lot of nice potentially nice value.
Speaker 1: A lot of those guys will maybe sign shorter term
Speaker 1: deals to try to get their value back up, and
Speaker 1: those becomes some steals, so interesting, good stuff. All right,
Speaker 1: take a break and we'll get lands In. Yes, he's
Speaker 1: the man who brings raw sensuality to Indianapolis after February
Speaker 1: and march Zaddy in his own right. Landsier line, welcome
Speaker 1: back to around the NFL. Well, I mean I don't
Speaker 1: have an auto tune, trust me, it would be all
Speaker 1: in lands the combine. The workouts began today and you
Speaker 1: are there, boots on the ground. I mean, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get to quarterbacks and some other prospects that are interesting
Speaker 1: to us. Is there kind of above the tree tops?
Speaker 1: Like what is everybody talking about right now? When when
Speaker 1: you're at Prime forty seven, you're at Elmo or whatever.
Speaker 1: What is kind of like the people of your ilk.
Speaker 1: What are you guys like? What's getting you guys juiced
Speaker 1: about this class? Well, I don't think you want to
Speaker 1: know exactly what we're talking about, because it's I heard
Speaker 1: you guys talking. But actually I heard the conversation before
Speaker 1: I went on the air, and so actually it would
Speaker 1: fit in with this this show just probably off the microphone.
Speaker 1: But um, I would say, you know a lot of
Speaker 1: it is it revolves around Jay Link Carter obviously, that's
Speaker 1: that's gonna garner a lot of attention. A lot of
Speaker 1: conversation about the quarterbacks right now, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: are certain guys being too hyped up right now? The
Speaker 1: hyped up enough? And that's really been a lot of
Speaker 1: the conversation has been about, you know, what's going to
Speaker 1: happen at the top of the draft and is Ryan
Speaker 1: Poles is everything coming out of Chicago smoke right now?
Speaker 1: Or is any of it real? That's those are conversations
Speaker 1: right now. A lot of talk out of oh and
Speaker 1: some Lamar Jackson stuff. You know what's going to happen
Speaker 1: with Lamar? And what are the Ravens going to ultimately do.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who believe he's getting traded.
Speaker 1: Just a lot of people say they're just they'll just
Speaker 1: take their lumps this year, figure out quarterback and move
Speaker 1: forward with a boatload of picks. Well, you think, Anthony Richardson,
Speaker 1: it is getting overhyped, that who you're talking talking about
Speaker 1: when you say the quarterbacks and getting overhyped. You know.
Speaker 1: So we so we live in the social media world,
Speaker 1: so that's not always the real world, as you know,
Speaker 1: you guys know, but it's hard not to think back
Speaker 1: to the Malik Willis, all the hype from last year
Speaker 1: and then he gets drafted in the third round and
Speaker 1: it's like, whoa, what happened here? And it's all to
Speaker 1: the point now where social media has taken, you know,
Speaker 1: for Anthony Richardson, they've taken We've all seen the same
Speaker 1: two plays. There's three plays. There's a pass play where
Speaker 1: he's dodging left and right in the pocket and throws
Speaker 1: kind of a three quarter side arm throw against Tennessee
Speaker 1: that's really cool. A run against LSU that's a long
Speaker 1: run for touchdown. And then there's a rollout against I
Speaker 1: think Vanderbilt maybe where he rolls right and throws a
Speaker 1: dime into the end zone. And those are the three
Speaker 1: plays that everyone shows over and over, and it's just like,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a fair representation. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think social media, the guys who compile the
Speaker 1: highlight plays and get all the likes and the retweets
Speaker 1: and all the dopamine hits because there because people are
Speaker 1: giving them all the attention for creating these highlight videos
Speaker 1: of players, I don't think they do a very good
Speaker 1: job of showing what the players actual strengths and weaknesses
Speaker 1: are and the areas of concern. And so the freight
Speaker 1: train of hype starts rolling downhill in the you know,
Speaker 1: not just on not just in social media, but I
Speaker 1: think it leads its way into the television world because
Speaker 1: that's what people are talking about, and then it doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily match up with what NFL people are thinking about players.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, I think all of these
Speaker 1: guys have a lot of work to do. I think
Speaker 1: Levis and Richardson have a lot of work to do,
Speaker 1: but they're also wildly talented. But I feel like the
Speaker 1: freight train needs to slow down just a little bit
Speaker 1: for Richardson, because I don't think it's really fair to
Speaker 1: him at this point. You know, it's Um, I love
Speaker 1: what you just said, because you're in a group of
Speaker 1: people that you know, you and Daniel Jeremiah, and in
Speaker 1: a house for us, you're watching full games versus these
Speaker 1: ten minute, twelve minute cutups that really just show typically
Speaker 1: the top of the top of the echelon of their performance.
Speaker 1: But when you look at someone like, um, you know, Richardson,
Speaker 1: he's gone. Some people have in the first round. He
Speaker 1: goes down to the fourth rounds in some mocks. But
Speaker 1: like Bryce Young, I think is an interesting study because
Speaker 1: the last quarterback who was you know, essentially listed under
Speaker 1: two hundred pounds to go in the first round with
Speaker 1: Jim McMahon. I mean that is we're talking AONs ago.
Speaker 1: So where is the real concern level? Because I think
Speaker 1: now you've got coaches that say, we can look at
Speaker 1: quarterbacks differently, we can coach this up. But there's so
Speaker 1: much to like about Bryce Young. But does it's not
Speaker 1: just the height, but does the weight and the body
Speaker 1: size really like does he like the teams eliminate him
Speaker 1: because of that? I think the height is I don't
Speaker 1: want to say it's irrelevant, but the height is not
Speaker 1: a big concern because you can roll out pockets. You're
Speaker 1: sitting in a shotgun, you know so often. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think there's different things you can do from a
Speaker 1: height standpoint that doesn't bother me as much. The frame
Speaker 1: thing you can't get around. I mean, he may come
Speaker 1: in here and wait two hundred pounds and that could
Speaker 1: be a I told you so to everyone. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna matter. Everyone knows he's slightly built, and so there
Speaker 1: is a consideration. It can concern because it's fine if
Speaker 1: you can coach a player up for the different areas
Speaker 1: of concerns he has. But can he take some of
Speaker 1: the hits that other quarterbacks take when a guy falls
Speaker 1: on him even though he's well protected, and he stands
Speaker 1: in and delivers the ball late because he wants to
Speaker 1: make sure and you know, to get this throw off.
Speaker 1: They don't want to give it up too early? Can
Speaker 1: can he withstand that punishment? And then the other thing
Speaker 1: is going to be is he going to be able
Speaker 1: to recover from injury as quickly as everyone else? Or
Speaker 1: is an injury to a shoulder or a chest or
Speaker 1: a leg a hip. Is that going to be something
Speaker 1: that knocks him out of the game and keeps him
Speaker 1: out for another couple of games? So I think that's
Speaker 1: the big concern is is how many games is he
Speaker 1: going to miss? Now? He hasn't missed a lot of
Speaker 1: games at Alabama, he's you know, he's been relatively healthy.
Speaker 1: But the NFL game is faster, there's less ability to
Speaker 1: protect him. Alabama's got better prospects than you have, probably
Speaker 1: on their on line and your d line. Their on
Speaker 1: line is probably going to have more prospects as opposed
Speaker 1: to you know, the exception of the Georgia game. But
Speaker 1: in the NFL, if he gets drafted by the Texans,
Speaker 1: if he gets drafted by uh, you know, the Raiders
Speaker 1: or the Panthers or anybody who could come up and
Speaker 1: trade up and draft him, can they protect him well
Speaker 1: enough and can he protect himself? I think those are
Speaker 1: real concerns. But make no mistake about it. On tape,
Speaker 1: he's clearly the best quarterback in this draft. And then
Speaker 1: you know, on the subject of qbs, it was ninety
Speaker 1: four picks last year before the fourth QB came off
Speaker 1: the board. In your first mock and I know these
Speaker 1: things are highly fluid and they're kind of a fun
Speaker 1: exercise more than something to like study scientifically. But you
Speaker 1: have four guys in the first nineteen picks, starting with
Speaker 1: Young to your Texans at two, and then the Bucks
Speaker 1: grabbing Richardson as their post Brady guy Will Levis you
Speaker 1: have right now mocked to the Raiders at seven. Makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense that Josh McDaniels looking to develop
Speaker 1: another QB, did a nice work with Mac Jones as
Speaker 1: a rookie, and they're obviously moving on from Derek Carr,
Speaker 1: so that match makes sense. But I'm curious more about
Speaker 1: as a prospect, like what he needs to show right
Speaker 1: now and how much did you put in Obviously had
Speaker 1: a tough season in twenty twenty two, his final college
Speaker 1: season with the injuries. Does that leave you more concerned
Speaker 1: or do you give him kind of a pas as
Speaker 1: on that and look more at what happened when he
Speaker 1: was healthy in twenty one. Yeah? I looked more at
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, and I still see some of the
Speaker 1: same concerns. I mean, I actually gave him a plus
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty two for playing through injury, playing hurt
Speaker 1: showing his ability to be tough through it all. But
Speaker 1: there's just some fundamental accuracy stuff that really bothered me.
Speaker 1: I just and some decision making and taking too many sacks.
Speaker 1: There's some poised considerations in the pocket, I mean the
Speaker 1: arm talents there. I think he's a talented quarterback. But
Speaker 1: twenty two is a very rough take. Twenty one is better,
Speaker 1: but there are still some issues that I think you
Speaker 1: need to work around. Now I can tell you that
Speaker 1: there's a chance I could come up on my grade
Speaker 1: based on how he looks here at the combine and
Speaker 1: a protey And I know it's on air, and I
Speaker 1: know there's no defenders, but I think just you know,
Speaker 1: I want to see him throw accurately from point A
Speaker 1: to point B. I don't want to see him spray
Speaker 1: it all over the place. And so those are some
Speaker 1: things on air. If he's if he's struggling to put
Speaker 1: it on frame for these wide receivers here at the
Speaker 1: com um, that's that's, you know, kind of a it's
Speaker 1: not confirmation bias, it's tape by it's tape confirmation that
Speaker 1: he has natural accuracy issues. But I do think Will
Speaker 1: Levis is a guy that teams want to like, they
Speaker 1: want to buy into Will Levis because he does have
Speaker 1: some of the physical traits that you really really like.
Speaker 1: And I can understand why teams get excited and and
Speaker 1: you know, maybe there is enough on twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: for people to project. But everybody, whether you like Richardson
Speaker 1: or Levis or both, the big thing you you want
Speaker 1: to try to lean on is Josh Allen. Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: I think you're chasing a unicorn. That's like saying, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, oh, this guy can be the next you know,
Speaker 1: maybe like Nolan Ryant, he can continue to pitch when
Speaker 1: he's really older. Maybe he'll be like Lebron, or maybe
Speaker 1: he'll be like Tom Brady. These are these are false comparisons.
Speaker 1: You can't make comparisons to these, to these unicorns. It's
Speaker 1: just it's hard to do it. I think Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: it's it's yet to be determined, but Josh Allen may
Speaker 1: be one of those rare instances where accurately curacy issues
Speaker 1: were improved to a not only functional level, but a
Speaker 1: very solid level. Who are you mentioned Levis? He kind
Speaker 1: of want to see how he looks in terms of
Speaker 1: his accuracy I'm sure Richardson will blow the doors off
Speaker 1: in terms of like his testing, We'll see how he throws. Like,
Speaker 1: who are some other offensive, maybe skill guys you're looking
Speaker 1: at this week that could show some juice, you know,
Speaker 1: a little preview for who's walking in the NFL network
Speaker 1: stuff this week. And in terms of receivers, maybe running backs, well,
Speaker 1: Tyler Scott, wide receiver out of Cincinnati. He's a former
Speaker 1: running back and he's got he's very tough with the
Speaker 1: ball in his hands. But he was also a track guy,
Speaker 1: so he's got great sprint speed. He is really really fast,
Speaker 1: so he's going to run really really fast. But the
Speaker 1: other thing is and I think he does need to
Speaker 1: get a little bit better from just learning to play.
Speaker 1: But I think Tyler Scott was one of my favorite
Speaker 1: ascending prospects when I watched him. I think he's a
Speaker 1: second round wide receiver. I think he's gonna run really
Speaker 1: fast and test really well, and I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: look good in the drills as well. So that's a
Speaker 1: guy to keep your eye on. A wide receiver like
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers who's gotten bigger over the like during the
Speaker 1: quote unquote draft season, he's gained. He's put on like
Speaker 1: eight to ten pounds of muscle, and he looks bigger
Speaker 1: like he looks good. Zay Flowers is gonna run really
Speaker 1: really well. Tank Dell Nathaniel, Tank Dell. It is rare
Speaker 1: to be named tank when you're one hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: three pounds and you are. He's a wide receiver named
Speaker 1: Tank who's one hundred and sixty three and he's gonna
Speaker 1: run in the four threes. So those are some guys
Speaker 1: that are going to bring some juice, I think, to
Speaker 1: the table. But it's unusual because we have a lot
Speaker 1: of smaller wide receivers. There's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: big cornerbacks and smaller receivers this year that you're gonna
Speaker 1: notice at the combine and then you know. So those
Speaker 1: are some of the guys that are going to run
Speaker 1: really fast. But a guy that I think you're gonna
Speaker 1: start hearing a lot more talk about is Cedric Tillman
Speaker 1: from Tennessee. Kind of a lost you know. Jalen Hyde
Speaker 1: is I don't know if he's running out here, but
Speaker 1: if he does, it's going to be extraordinarily fast. But
Speaker 1: he had a lot of touchdowns. He was terrific this year.
Speaker 1: I think people sleep on the fact that Cedric Tillman
Speaker 1: played this year on a high ankle spring. He ended
Speaker 1: up having a surgery so he could get it back
Speaker 1: out on the field faster to join, you know, his
Speaker 1: teammates and compete, which I think is a big bonus
Speaker 1: in terms of what he's willing to do. He's big,
Speaker 1: he has great ball skills, and he had three hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty two yards receiving last year. In twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: I should say against Georgia and Alabama. I mean three
Speaker 1: to fifty total against Georgia and Alabama. That should immediately
Speaker 1: catch your attention. And I talked to a couple of
Speaker 1: personnel guys in the NFL just kind of brought up
Speaker 1: his name, and they were like, we're right there with you,
Speaker 1: Like you know, he had he had the tape last year,
Speaker 1: and so you have to go back also to twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one to just re remind yourself that Cedric Tillman
Speaker 1: is a real dude out there, and he's a guy
Speaker 1: that he may not run the fastest forty, but if
Speaker 1: he gets under four or five, he gets in the
Speaker 1: high four fours. I think his name is really going
Speaker 1: to start to creep up and maybe even start to
Speaker 1: be mentioned in the late first round because there's no
Speaker 1: real wide receiver ones For me, it's not quite in Johnston.
Speaker 1: It's not Jordan Addison, it's not Jai Jayala High. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be my top rated wide receiver, but leat speed.
Speaker 1: But I don't believe there's a true wide receiver one draft.
Speaker 1: I want to I appreciate that we've got some small
Speaker 1: wide receivers in this draft. If I want to talk
Speaker 1: about a human being who is um the opposite, he
Speaker 1: is very large. He is about two hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: five pounds. He's six foot four from the state of Iowa.
Speaker 1: Hovering from that land um, it is Lucas van Ness,
Speaker 1: my draft man crush at this point. I know he
Speaker 1: wasn't really a starter per se in college, but it
Speaker 1: seems like he is a figure of massive intrigue. He
Speaker 1: doesn't even fit into most cars. How do you view
Speaker 1: this player? So he's his nickname is Hercules for a reason.
Speaker 1: That's what he looks like. That's how he's gonna test.
Speaker 1: I think right now, he's he's a He's a good
Speaker 1: athlete with great size, but he's not as skilled as
Speaker 1: he needs to be. The hands need to get better.
Speaker 1: He's not a very skilled pass rusher, which I think
Speaker 1: can come in time. It's something you can coach up,
Speaker 1: but it's not always going to click. So sometimes with
Speaker 1: some players the coaching hits. And then you take the big, strong, powerful,
Speaker 1: explosive player and if he gets his hands worked out,
Speaker 1: if he starts to develop go two moves, well you're
Speaker 1: looking at one of the more potentially one of the
Speaker 1: more dominant players to come out of the dis draft
Speaker 1: from a pass rush standpoint. If he doesn't develop, and
Speaker 1: if he still continues to lean on power and strength,
Speaker 1: well the NFL can you know, they have guys who
Speaker 1: can counter you on power and strength. So you'll be
Speaker 1: You'll be good, but you may not be great. So
Speaker 1: I think Lucas fan as the key is going to
Speaker 1: be Can he add skill to what is already a
Speaker 1: force driven playing style. If he can add the skill
Speaker 1: level and add a little finesse and pretty up the
Speaker 1: game a little bit and get the skill level you know,
Speaker 1: elevated a little bit, I think a law starts to
Speaker 1: click for him. Lets you have no idea how important
Speaker 1: it is for Mark, that guy hits now that he's
Speaker 1: publicly brought him up, there's a lot riding on this
Speaker 1: for Sessler, that's true. Yeah, let me ask, well a
Speaker 1: little good out here. I mean, Cessler's gonna he's gonna
Speaker 1: come out of this looking like the champion out of
Speaker 1: the combine. Let's just see how it looks on draft
Speaker 1: day and then you may have to revisit this in
Speaker 1: three years or when it's signed for a second contract.
Speaker 1: That's a long time for you to answers. That's a
Speaker 1: long time for you and Greg to wait to glow like.
Speaker 1: That's a long time for a second contract to say
Speaker 1: you were wrong. You know, I don't think you're gonna
Speaker 1: be able to say that. We've been doing this soho
Speaker 1: for ten years. We still make fun of like when
Speaker 1: he really was in love with Zach Zenner or who
Speaker 1: was the other guy, Toby Gerhardt on the Vikings. Yeah, Gar,
Speaker 1: we remember if you were two thousand, were a white
Speaker 1: running back that wasn't Christian McCaffrey. Mark likes you. I mean,
Speaker 1: the one thing he can't do. So we're gonna start
Speaker 1: our Riley Moss discussion in and go white cornerback? Is
Speaker 1: that ever? Gonna make the rounds on h I feel
Speaker 1: free to speak on him, go ahead. I mean he's
Speaker 1: he's a legit running back. I mean he's a legit cornerback.
Speaker 1: He's going to be drafted as a corner. There will
Speaker 1: be talking about moving him to safety. You know, he'll
Speaker 1: get the hey, we should move him to safety talk
Speaker 1: the cursory we should move him to safety. Talk. But
Speaker 1: he's a legitimate cornerback and he's going to be drafting
Speaker 1: on Day three. He's physical, he's got some cover skills.
Speaker 1: I think Riley Moss is a legitimate cover corner. He
Speaker 1: may not be anything more than a backup in the league.
Speaker 1: Who who gets to play here and there's a third
Speaker 1: cornerback or if there's injuries, But I think Riley Moss
Speaker 1: is It's it's it's been a long time. It's been
Speaker 1: a long run. You had Jason c. Horn and now
Speaker 1: Riley Moss. Now. I don't know if he's going to
Speaker 1: end up you know, supermodels or TV cars or whatever
Speaker 1: the case may be. But I do think he's got
Speaker 1: a chance to play in the league. Also, that's a
Speaker 1: great um pop culture slash sports trivia question that I'll
Speaker 1: pose to Greg Rosenthal. Jason Sehorn's wife is or was.
Speaker 1: Angie Harman corrects, well done, Greggy. Let's close here and
Speaker 1: thank you for your time here Lance from the bowels
Speaker 1: of Lucas Oil Stadium, which you probably know as well
Speaker 1: as your own home at this point in your life
Speaker 1: and career. H Yeah, Bijean Robinson, we played his highlight
Speaker 1: earlier in the show. Our producer, Gravedigger is a Longhorn alum,
Speaker 1: as he ceaselessly tells us, who's the comp here? How
Speaker 1: special is this guy? You have him as a top
Speaker 1: five prospect. That doesn't mean he goes top five because
Speaker 1: of how the running back is viewed in our league,
Speaker 1: as we know, but like, who's the comp in terms
Speaker 1: of what kind of player? This guy? Could be kind
Speaker 1: of hard to come up with an exact comp. But
Speaker 1: I think say Quan is a fair comp. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he's not going to be as fast as say
Speaker 1: Quon Barkley, but what he is is he is a
Speaker 1: very powerful running back. He runs. He runs with a
Speaker 1: combination of elusiveness and power, and you don't know which
Speaker 1: one you're again, So what happens is a lot of
Speaker 1: times you'll see tacklers get up to him, and if
Speaker 1: they're not sure, if they're on their toes waiting for
Speaker 1: him to wiggle and then he hits them head on,
Speaker 1: they're gonna get trucked and it's not gonna look good.
Speaker 1: If they're bracing to really run through him and he wiggles,
Speaker 1: then they're going to look bad. So he can toggle
Speaker 1: between elusive and power, which I love. The other thing
Speaker 1: is is he's a full menu running back, so he
Speaker 1: can handle first and second day, you know, from a
Speaker 1: fantasy football standpoint, which we all dabbled, obviously, he's going
Speaker 1: to be a guy that fantasy owners are gonna love
Speaker 1: because he didn't have a tremendous amount of wear and
Speaker 1: tear off the treaded Texas. They did a pretty good
Speaker 1: job of limiting, you know, the heavy duty touches. But
Speaker 1: he can gain yard from himself through wiggle, he can
Speaker 1: gain yarch to himself through power. He can catch the
Speaker 1: ball out of the backfield at a volume rate, and
Speaker 1: he can protect the quarterback so and not to mention it.
Speaker 1: When he gets around the goal line, he can put
Speaker 1: it in there. So there's really not a lot of
Speaker 1: weaknesses there. I don't know that he's necessarily going to run.
Speaker 1: He may be like a four or five forty guy.
Speaker 1: Maybe four five five may not be the fastest forty guy.
Speaker 1: But I really, honestly that really doesn't bother me as
Speaker 1: long as he has enough first. That's uh, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: Jeremiah brought up a good point that these type of guys,
Speaker 1: these running backs, they make sense going to a team
Speaker 1: that's ready to win. I believe you had him mock
Speaker 1: to the Bills, which would be a home run. Um
Speaker 1: will be interesting to see where he lands rebuilding team
Speaker 1: or contender. Hey, last question, I'm curious Lance, Like, so
Speaker 1: we our combined experience has always been, or at least
Speaker 1: in recent years. You know, we parachute in for the
Speaker 1: coaches and gms and then we get out of dodge, right,
Speaker 1: you are there for the whole thing, Like so, like
Speaker 1: when you're there? Like when did you get into town Lands,
Speaker 1: into Indie and into town Tuesday late afternoon and you're
Speaker 1: leaving Win Sunday night? All right, so what are you doing?
Speaker 1: What are you doing in Indie now from Thursday through Sunday?
Speaker 1: You've already hit probably all the punts. Or are you
Speaker 1: such a veteran that you know places that people don't
Speaker 1: even they're not even aware of, or is it getting
Speaker 1: to the point now where you're at the White Castle
Speaker 1: at the outskirts of town by the time you get
Speaker 1: to the Friday night. Now I'm a I'm a legitimate
Speaker 1: food guy, So I hit restaurants that are critically acclaimed,
Speaker 1: so I'll make patients find going to I saw Matt Rule,
Speaker 1: who you know what was it twenty twenty It's either
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen combine. His wife was trained at a culinary
Speaker 1: school just for you know, just because she wanted to.
Speaker 1: And so I saw Matt Rule at this really nice
Speaker 1: James Beard nominated restaurant that was about twenty five minutes
Speaker 1: outside of Indianapolis, and we talked food there in some football.
Speaker 1: I made it to a place called Beholder that I
Speaker 1: don't think anyway. So here's the key. Look, I know
Speaker 1: they're probably not advertisers. I've never seen him advertise anywhere.
Speaker 1: Resie is the key. The app Resie is going to
Speaker 1: have any city you go into, some of the coolest,
Speaker 1: hippest food forward places is always going to be on RESI.
Speaker 1: So you look through there and then I do my
Speaker 1: homework after that. So, like I scout cornerbacks, and I
Speaker 1: scout wide receivers and offensive. I scout restaurants as well.
Speaker 1: I look through the menu. Is it tasting me? What
Speaker 1: is a cocktail? Men? You look like? Is it? You know?
Speaker 1: Am I going to have to make? Is there a
Speaker 1: chef's table or a chef's counter? What does it look
Speaker 1: like from its hire standpoint? Because I can tell you
Speaker 1: it's going to be casual for me. Yeah, I noticed
Speaker 1: you on NFL network just wearing a plaid shirt, no jacket,
Speaker 1: no tie. And this was a Tier one show. You're
Speaker 1: supposed to be wearing a tie. I was like, they're
Speaker 1: gonna yank Lance right off of it. Then here's a
Speaker 1: good idea. Tell me before I pack my clothes and
Speaker 1: get on a plane that you're gonna have me on Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I see that's a good cover. Oh it's also a
Speaker 1: power play. It's also a power play by Lance. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know I'm good at this. You know the value
Speaker 1: I bring. If you want to give me an issue
Speaker 1: because I'm not wearing a tie, well guess what I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm killing the game. Decide what's more important. It's
Speaker 1: a cho lnge is what it is. That's what I think.
Speaker 1: I think there's a brand that is created for draft
Speaker 1: analysts and especially guys who write tape. Is we're supposed
Speaker 1: to be grinders. You don't put a grinder in a tie. Frankly,
Speaker 1: I should get a hoodie my show. I should dress
Speaker 1: exactly like you guys dress at all times on every show. Well, Lance, Um,
Speaker 1: keep up the good work, buddy. Be you love it?
Speaker 1: I shirt and I'm like, what, how's that supposed to mean? Greg? No,
Speaker 1: I like, I legitimately liked it. You were. It was
Speaker 1: a cool shirt, and you were. I was just surprising
Speaker 1: to see next to Aciliano's like three piece suit. It
Speaker 1: was great. It was a cool shirt. Um, all right, Lance,
Speaker 1: thank you very much for joining us, buddy, and enjoy
Speaker 1: all the good eats and the good times and indie
Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you again soon, see Lance. There
Speaker 1: he goes Lance. He's a good fella. As they say, um, boys,
Speaker 1: here's the plan. That's the last show of the week. Maybe,
Speaker 1: um but um. During a of contemplation with my canine
Speaker 1: last night, it did strike me. Let's be ready, let's
Speaker 1: be on call. Uh, this Lamar Jackson situation. As you're
Speaker 1: hurt again from Lance. Something can break at any moment.
Speaker 1: There could be a trade Aaron Rodgers that could go down.
Speaker 1: I floated the idea of a Derek car emergency podcast,
Speaker 1: and just for the thought of Mark having to do
Speaker 1: that on call and do a thirty minutes on Derek
Speaker 1: Carr that potentially is in play here just for entertainment value.
Speaker 1: So maybe you'll hear from us tomorrow Friday if big
Speaker 1: news breaks. Otherwise we have shows all through next week.
Speaker 1: I think typically in our society, the people that are
Speaker 1: on call are you know, emergency workers, highly regarded surgeons
Speaker 1: and bloggers, and so we we just will fit right
Speaker 1: in there and do it's it's our job, it's our task,
Speaker 1: it's our it's a joy to do it all. Greg.
Speaker 1: I'm now living in this garage. I'm not going to leave.
Speaker 1: But we do have some breaking news before we leave,
Speaker 1: though I don't know we got an emergency pod. The
Speaker 1: NFL has announced that referee Jerome Boger has retired after
Speaker 1: nineteen Are you going that is okay? Breaking news? Drop? Okay,
Speaker 1: We're in a little bit of a slump there, but
Speaker 1: Boger is one of the more recognizable dudes, you know,
Speaker 1: so Bogie leaving the game while he still has his fastball.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he does or not. In fact,
Speaker 1: who knows why he's leaving. I know the NFL is
Speaker 1: probably behind the scenes looking to tighten some things up
Speaker 1: in that realm, but I don't want to connect any
Speaker 1: dots on that. If Bogie just decided this is the
Speaker 1: end of the it was run. Got speed, buddy, and
Speaker 1: enjoy whatever comes next. I was just hoping, actually, you
Speaker 1: were going to come after me for a reckless use
Speaker 1: of breaking news and didn't even work. No, because I
Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't want to shatter your confidence
Speaker 1: on it unless you're now purposely trying to denigrate the
Speaker 1: breaking news drop, which is okay. If you want to
Speaker 1: go with a bid on it, that's fine too. But
Speaker 1: now he's been doing that for like, I think it's
Speaker 1: three or four years he's been doing You should have
Speaker 1: seen what happened last week, Mark, when you were trapped
Speaker 1: at sea. He used the breaking news drop to announce
Speaker 1: that he was not going to put Conklin, not Conklin,
Speaker 1: who was it, Taylor Luan on his top one on one. Well,
Speaker 1: that lacks integrity, Greg, you need to clean that up.
Speaker 1: I choose not to. I was just tempted to do
Speaker 1: breaking news again, to say, now I know, uh, let's
Speaker 1: do it justin, let's go, let's go whenever. You could
Speaker 1: build up the joke in this manner, and it's gonna land.
Speaker 1: My wife and Pat Rules Bat Rules wife have something
Speaker 1: in common. They both went to culinary school. That's it.
Speaker 1: And I did. I did see your eyes light up
Speaker 1: when Lance mentioned that it sucks at Rules now back
Speaker 1: in the college game. Good for him. He's getting paid
Speaker 1: a bunch of money and he'll thrive because he killed
Speaker 1: it with Baylor before and Rutgers before he got to
Speaker 1: the NFL. But he would have been a good guy
Speaker 1: to keep in our rotation. But he's gone. He's gone.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be running that program for years and probably
Speaker 1: never come back to the NFL. He describes her wanting
Speaker 1: to go to Culinaris culinary School just because she wanted to,
Speaker 1: like he sort of well maybe it's a deep passion.
Speaker 1: We don't know. We just sort of just just sort
Speaker 1: of flippingly decided to go and check that. I think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the idea was she didn't need to be making you know,
Speaker 1: eighteen dollars an hour to work till one in the
Speaker 1: morning because he has her taken care of financially. Maybe
Speaker 1: that was what he was getting after I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Hard to say, hard to say. We may never know.
Speaker 1: It was Temple, by the way, not Rutgers from that rule,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Grave digger. All right, that's it. So, like
Speaker 1: I said, and less news breaks and dictates an emergency
Speaker 1: pot Come on, Derek Carr, make that decision. We will
Speaker 1: be back on Monday with more around the NFL goodness
Speaker 1: as we get closer and ever closer to free agency
Speaker 1: and yes, the draft good stuff. Thanks to everybody listening
Speaker 1: until uh you hear from us next. Yes, hey, baby,
Speaker 1: you gotta heat that call. In that call. It's coming
Speaker 1: to my place to see my face heat the cally. Okay,