WEBVTT - Who Gets a Pass? | MiniPod 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.600 Native Lampard is a production of Our Heart Radio in 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:04.880 partnership with Reason Choice Media. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:09.960 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome home, everybody. 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:13.680 This is Andrew Gillum and I am here with our 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:17.079 special co hosts for the week, the m v P 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:19.680 the man who still can't tell you whether or not 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:22.760 he is in a relationship that is non celestial. Uh. 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:30.080 If it ain't Jesus based, I don't know what it is, uh, y'all. 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:34.239 We we're welcome. Rather, we are proud to welcome an 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:38.440 MVP for this show and also an MVP and data 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:42.479 statistics learning everything you need to know to power your 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:46.640 next campaign. 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You know, in society we 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:22.080 make mistakes, especially when you're in public life, Lots of 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:25.760 mistakes can be made, and we pose the question to 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:28.959 ourselves to ask and to answer. But we want to 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.000 do the same and invite you into the conversation of 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:35.319 one once you've made a very public mistake, and I 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.120 guess it sort of depends on the nature of the mistake. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:38.680 Possibly, but once you've. 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:45.280 Done that and you've had your time of possible contrition, apology, accountability, 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:49.600 Does every mistake, once given grace, create the opportunity for 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:53.600 being welcome back into society? Can you find uplift advancement? 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:58.440 Is there is there is there a phoenix from the ashes? 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:03.240 I wanted to put that to today's hosts whether or 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.920 not there is an opportunity for redemption and if so, 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:10.240 are there red lines that we a society just can't 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.040 get cross and therefore there's no redemption? What do you 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:13.280 stay with? 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:13.640 Gary? 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.519 Can I ask real quick tip for a friendly amendment? 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:18.520 Is there a way that we can buy for Kate 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:24.760 bringing somebody back into society? Versus bringing back into public office. 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.000 Yeah, but I do think the topic does we can 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:30.840 buy for Kate that for sure, because I do think 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:35.760 they're different certainly. Yeah, so we Yeah, you can answer 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.520 it either which way or maybe both ways, depending on 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:39.160 high structure. 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:42.560 I mean, for me, I think that you know, my 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.200 legal brain, as I talked about Swall Whorler earlier, how 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:48.200 there are different buckets, like you know, being a whole, 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:52.320 you know, sleeping with your staff and then committing a 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.360 sexual assault. I find sexual assault in domestic violence to 0:02:55.360 --> 0:03:00.000 be irredeemable period. That's you know, I don't even find 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.000 that to be like a really weird red line to draw. 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:07.760 But personally I don't. I tell people like, I'm probably 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.480 the least judgmental person you know, Like I don't really 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.440 care what you do, how you do it, when you 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:14.440 do it, or who you do it with. I don't 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:17.240 care about none of that. The only thing that I 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:20.280 don't really tolerate is putting hands on women. And like 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.440 my entire friend group knows that, and that's not like 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.760 a really weird red line. I don't think that's not anything. 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.120 I'm not looking for pats on the back. That's not 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:33.920 something courageous. That's just me personally where I am. I 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:37.080 think when you have moral failures or ethical collapses, I 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:41.800 think that usually with time, you can spend time with 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.680 yourself and you can be quote unquote redeemed, if that's 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.160 what we're saying. And I think we should give people 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.760 the grace to grow. I think who you were in 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:53.800 college is not necessarily who you are today. I think 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:57.280 that we've all grown from our days at Morehouse or Washington, 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:02.480 or South Dakota or or fam you. I mean, well, 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:06.920 we've all grown from those days. And I just you know, 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:11.040 I am somebody who's extremely cautious about passing judgment because 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.080 I'm still trying to give myself grace and give other 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.880 people the benefit of that grace. And so I think 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:18.960 that on one side. On that side, yeah, I mean, 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.880 if if you're honest with folk about your past transgressions 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.880 and they're able to see your growth, putting yourself on 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.039 the ballot is fine and letting them adjudicate whether or 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:32.920 not your growth actually matches, uh, you know, your verbiage. 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:36.400 If you've committed an act of sex assault, I think 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.119 that you need to spend the rest of your life 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.960 dedicated to right that wrong, and the same thing with 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:42.880 domestic violence. 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.240 That's just my personal think. 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.839 So there's grace, there is a red line, and in 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:52.200 Bookar's case, is sexual violence and laying hands on me. 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.080 Man, Yeah, what. 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:56.640 Do you got, Josh? 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:59.000 I feel like there's no world where I could sit 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.720 up here as a per person who has dedicated large 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:07.560 parts of like my political career to rehabilitation and reintegration 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.040 into society and then fixing the criminal justice system and 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:16.160 you know, pushing legislation that allows us to see people 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:21.479 who have have committed crimes to be to live gainful 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.320 lives after they have been fully rehabilitated and have righted 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.120 their wrongs. I mean, we talked earlier about the criminal 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:29.880 or community violence interventure programs. 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:30.640 You know. 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.960 I filmed the documentary this summer with a community Values 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.000 to dificial program here in Chicago and set the seven 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:41.240 people on the front lines pushing that program out in 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:45.359 the neighborhoods stopping violence being violence interrupters were all people 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:49.039 who had been convicted of pretty heinous crimes themselves at 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.320 some point, right, And I was very happy to see 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.800 that not only was this program interrupting those crime but 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.880 it was taking people who had like crossed that line 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:01.720 and putting their you know them into use in their 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:05.839 own communities. So you know, I struggle with this because 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:09.080 I think about how our communities could benefit from strong 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:12.960 rehabilitative systems. I do think, like I share what Bakari 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.919 is saying, like there is a particular version that you 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.440 want to have around anybody who has put their hands 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.200 on a woman and all and the like. But I 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.920 think we should always have grace to see how we 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:28.320 can rehabilitate somebody into society after we have helped them 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:29.120 right the wrongs. 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.080 I think people can rehabilitate. 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.799 I don't. 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.120 I don't mind them like. 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.000 I know, but I just wanted to because he said, 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:42.640 I just I think that you can go on the 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:43.760 path or rehabilitation. 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:45.480 I just think being. 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.480 Re ingratiated, if that's a word, into the public eye, 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.719 the public space, where there's a great responsibility, I think 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:54.120 you forfeited that. 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:55.159 But I don't. 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:59.920 I'm not trying to a stew you from a path 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.840 in our communities to do good work, because I do 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:04.720 think that you have to spend the rest of your 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:06.040 life doing that work. 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:07.799 To kind of write that wrong. 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:13.000 I'm just saying that having a place of some platform 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.960 that is just difficult because it comes with as Andrew 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:20.240 said in the Longer Show a couple of days ago, 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.160 it comes with such great responsibility, but. 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:26.360 That you know, no, you're fine. 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.520 I've been really wrestling with this. I've been trying to 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:31.640 write my little notes to figure out what's what. So 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:35.880 I don't even want to address the reintegration into society 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:40.520 because I think everybody should be given that opportunity, especially 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.680 if they can atone for what they've done between them 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:45.920 and their maker, through therapy, whatever. I think that there 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.440 should be a pathway and on ren for people to 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:52.080 come back into society, especially when they make mistakes. I 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:54.800 also done a lot of work in the justice reform space, 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.320 and I think that that is imperative because there's so 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.840 many times there's a minor mistake somebody makes, or they 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:02.280 were right wrong place, wrong time, or woman was in 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.440 love with a man it was a drug mule. Like, 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.440 there's so many reasons and things that can happen. I 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:12.320 was wrestling with what is a limit for me with 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:17.680 political office. I agree with Bakari that sexual assault that 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:21.440 is proven is a non starter, Domestic violence that is 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:24.800 proven especially habitual, because I think there are some circumstances 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:28.160 of domestic violence where somebody was defending themselves and they 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.320 were the ones that ended up getting arrested. In all that, 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.720 I think it's on a case by case basis, not 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.280 domestic violence and of itself, but what they say domestic 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:36.079 violence was. 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:39.079 To be clear the hoeing. 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:43.000 There are hoes everywhere in every industry and especially in politics. 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:45.760 So I agree that that's you know, you should work 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.439 on your moral compass and your integrity, But I don't 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.920 think that's a disqualifying offense. I think sleeping with staff 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:55.480 is a little more tricky, and I think that there 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.880 should be a real acknowledgment of the power dynamic that 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:02.079 does exist there. And I think interns are different from 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.720 senior level staffers. And whether or not you know the 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:07.600 staff was on a member's staff or whatever, or former 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.160 staff or all. I think all of that matters also 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:14.600 case by case. The thing that I have less grace 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:18.920 for are like financial crimes that are proven. So you 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:24.959 embezzled money, you redirected, you know, federal resources somewhere, you 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.439 stole campaign funds for something that you know is ridiculous, 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.800 versus you committed some type of financial crime before you 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:35.840 got elected. Let's say you were poor and you stole 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.600 money so that you could feed your family. I can 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.520 understand that. Differently, I think that we should not just 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:45.760 have these broad sweeping like Barron Donalds. 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:47.320 What did he do? 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:54.079 Uh bezel mad impersonation of. 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:54.640 Theft? 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.079 No? No, no, this was just major financial crimes. 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:58.840 Yeah, but it was just it was before he was 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:00.360 making ends meet. I mean with the I am. 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:06.160 In Florida state also ends that wasn't to make an 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:06.880 end meet. 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:21.120 And unless we were in the luxurious category, all. 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:21.720 Of that matters. 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:23.520 And even when you think about like I grew up 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:26.160 on so for Real and Candy Rain, all of them 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:27.720 got in trouble for check writing fraud. 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:29.280 I want to know the reason for that. 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:31.120 I don't want to just say because it was check 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.600 writing fraud, I'm automatically throwing them out. 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:35.040 It was a bunch of dudes I went to high 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:35.440 school with. 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.320 I went to all girls school, but in the same time, 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.280 in the same era, same zip code that went to 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:42.480 they got in trouble with the law for like this 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.720 check writing fraud thing when we were in high school. 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:46.560 I think that that should be forgiven they were young 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:48.679 and dumb, you know actually that I think they were 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:49.680 in college by that time. 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.240 But what did come to mind? And he's not in public. 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:56.800 Office, but I think it's very interesting that his on 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:02.800 ramp back into commentary was whereas Andrews still not a 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.600 paid commentator and he actually didn't commit a crime and 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.200 was actually acquitted. But I was thinking about Jeffrey Tuban, 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.920 who was jacking off on a like company. 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:14.640 Zoom, so like should you should your One's. 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:18.600 Not what I was expecting. I wasn't expecting that, Sorry, Jeffrey. 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:23.080 Think, for example, I think what I'm I think what 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:27.720 I'm saying is we have these like favorites that we play, 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:31.800 and these blind spots that we hold, and these hypocrisies 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.040 that we keep, and I think that we should just 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.560 really wrestle with them and talk about why. 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:41.160 Because with great talent comes great runway. Jeffrey Tuban was 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:46.400 perceived to be an extremely extremely gifted legal legal comment. 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:50.280 Throwaway with no substance and ability to contribute to the conversation. 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:54.000 I don't think you see. 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:54.679 What I'm saying. 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.559 That if Andrew I think, I'm sorry, like and I'm 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.080 going to actually disagree with and for Andrew in this moment. 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.920 I think if the right opportunity came and it was 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.960 not going to be Andrew versus Maga, and it's an 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.439 opportunity to inform, just like we do on this podcast, 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:12.760 that Andrew absolutely would create space to do that. He 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.319 can't help himself. That's how we had a ninety minute 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.800 podcast this week. He's going to inform people. He's going 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.719 to he's going to share facts, he's going to give perspective. 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:24.520 He absolutely would do it. But my point is that Jeffrey, 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:26.000 I mean to throw you. I mean, I'm not gonna 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:27.720 apologize for throwing under the bus, but I guess what 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.920 I'm saying is like, there are people in Congress who 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.240 are given that same opportunity, in that same grace that 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:36.679 Jeffrey Tuben was, There are people sitting in elected office 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:37.920 right now who are giving that grace. 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:39.480 What's the one guy's name, y'all? 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.400 The he passed away now, but he was in Tennessee 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.200 the I think it was a city councilman. He used 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:47.840 to talk big ish in all the city council meetings. 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.199 He would be mockted uncle, oh yeah, Kevin. 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.160 Somebody. What's the name y'all know what I'm talking about, Yes, 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:01.480 but like he would get passes for doing nonsensical things 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:04.680 because it was funny, you know, or because he just 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.240 didn't care. And all I'm saying is, I want us 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:12.480 to be equitable in how we distribute justice. I want 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.440 us to be equitable and how we share grace. I 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.480 want us to be equitable in how we adjudge this 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.720 spectrum of things. And I think that sometimes we're not, 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.520 you know, especially in this in this country. It's the 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:28.239 two undred and fiftieth anniversary of the Declaration of Independence 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:31.000 this year, and I think that they're so much further 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.800 we have to go and even analyzing like how that 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.360 justice is shared given to us, that independence, that freedom 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.240 and liberation is given us. And I think sometimes we're 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:43.280 the worst arbiters of that black folks I'm talking about. 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.200 And sometimes they are. Sometimes we are also the best 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:50.880 pathway of redemption in the black community, you know, as well. 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.920 I think I think we should none of us be 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:58.160 illusory about the fact that this country has never been 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:04.360 generally graceful for black men, black women either, but black 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:10.600 but black men speaking very specifically, are discardible. It can 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:16.559 be thrown away and not another thought paid to what 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.200 happens to them. You know what happens to them afterwards. 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.360 So I'm certainly not illusory about it, and I think 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.040 we do want to be in that arc a little 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.040 bit more. And I was thinking about whether or not 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:32.720 there are lines that are not crossable. Pedophilia is a 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:34.600 hard thing for me, and I don't understand the brain 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.520 science around it, which is probably what makes it doubly 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:41.760 hard because I think I don't know how you disconnect 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:45.840 from the habit and what the I don't know the chemistry. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:47.320 I don't know the brain chemistry, and I think it 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.520 I think that is what makes it a hard line 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:56.120 for me. Sexual abuse pieces also make it really really challenging. 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:59.680 I don't even know how a person can take their 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:04.160 body respond to a forced environment like that. I just 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.840 don't know how the body responds to that. I'd be 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:09.240 in trauma. 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.080 Andrew, can I give you an example here? This I 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:12.960 nobakari has to go. But I just want to say 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:17.000 this really quick. I have someone who, let me be careful, 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:22.000 I said, I know someone who is actually caught up 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:26.800 in a legal issue right now behind child sex abuse. 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:31.840 The person that I know claims that there was a 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:35.520 young man who was pretty much abandoned by his parents, 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.200 and she was starting to take care of him even 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.680 with her family. All of this gave the child an 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:44.880 iPad to use. It's her iPad. But on the iPad 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:50.320 there were naked images of her that she does not remember, 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.640 like she didn't remember they were on there. But because 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.080 they were on the iPad, is now caught up in 0:15:56.120 --> 0:16:01.280 a whole child sex scandal situation. And it's not the 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.680 same thing as pedophilia, obviously. I've taken her word for 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:06.600 it that it was, you know, there was no because 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.160 a teacher and it was I mean, like all of 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:11.600 these things. And so again I feel like there still 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.960 has to be spectrum in the broad categories because people 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.280 make innocent mistakes. But now she's been arrested three times 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:19.400 about this, you know, I. 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:20.320 Get I get it. 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.040 I think my issue isn't too the exception. It really 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:26.200 is to rule demonstrated. But let me ask you about 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:26.880 that rule, Andrew. 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:29.200 We all grew up, we all grew up where the 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.760 fine girl in high school dated somebody that was twenty 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:36.600 eight too damn old, driving driving the Lexus, you know, 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:37.840 with the twills in the back. 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:43.440 Yes, and so there are the instances of the dating 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:47.000 and consensual, and some would argued consent of a certain 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.280 age is not consent at all, that parents must consent, 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:53.200 so on and so forth. So I get that I'm 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.600 really mostly dealing in this category, for instance, the Jeffrey 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:00.760 Epstein world where people could could be complicit it and 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:06.159 more than that, inviting of the idea of of of 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:10.119 taking advantage of children for their own sexual pleasure. And 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.200 there is a whole That's why I said, I don't 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.680 get the brain science. I'm not talking about these accidental whatever. R. 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.159 Kelly is probably somebody I would put in the category 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:22.000 of of the Epstein you know type where you your 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.040 typeograph is I want a child, I want a person 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:26.399 with a child like body. 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:27.600 I want you know. 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.000 So like, I don't get it. It's not a thing. 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.760 So that is what it is. But quite frankly, I 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:38.720 don't have for the most part, those hard, hard black 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:43.639 and white lines as much as I have. If you 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.159 want to enter public office, just know that it is 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:48.680 the It is a contact sport and if you put 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:52.800 yourself out there, you make yourself open to whatever comes 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:58.359 in the arena of politics. As a contact sport, and 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:00.439 if you survive that and people say I want to 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:04.199 elevate you to this position. Elective office is not a 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.000 right for anybody. It is a privilege, and it is 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:10.719 a place of responsibility, of elevated status. The thing is 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.159 that you don't have to be a perfect person to 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.280 be an elevated status. In fact, some of the most 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:18.280 successful public servants I have ever encountered have had They 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.880 are people who have risen from the phoenix, and what 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.960 the voter knows about them is that they have leveled 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:26.840 with some kind of life that they have had to tussle, 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.680 and they have had to grime, and they have had 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:31.679 you know, they've had to pull themselves up out of 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:35.800 some situation, which then communicates to the voter that maybe 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.240 you might know a little bit about what I experience 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:40.720 in my life from day to day, and maybe that 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.639 makes you a better policy maker because you now have 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.200 an inlet and to what is really like out here. 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.679 One of my biggest issues with Swalwel this weekend, and 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:53.240 I'll stop here, was that I felt like, and maybe 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:57.040 he's not there in a position to have done this yet, 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:59.080 but I felt like, if you were going to make 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:04.320 a statement the general I have made mistakes does not 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:09.760 go far enough because you're not in everyday average Joe, 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:11.960 and it wouldn't work for everyday average Joe that I 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.760 make mistakes. That's not why you're on the headlines right now. 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.840 Your mistakes that you happen to make are not why 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:21.120 you're here. There are some bad decisions that have been 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:24.320 made here that have put you and your family in 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.600 a predicament. And you know what, it is not fair 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:29.879 for the voters to have to ride that way with 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:32.760 me while I am riding, And once this is over, 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.280 I look forward to being able to reintroduce myself as 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:38.320 someone who is just a man who makes mistakes, but 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.240 also can atone for those mistakes and reintroduce themselves into 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:45.240 society and do good work. I'm not disposable, but then 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.960 that requires a level of honesty with yourself and a 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.080 belief that you owe it to the people to level 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.800 with them. And then they make the decision as to 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:57.439 whether they'll trust you again for the office, and I 0:19:57.480 --> 0:19:59.840 think leave it to them and they'll decide the right way. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.199 And if they don't choose you, then that might be 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:04.160 an invitation for you to spend more work with yourself 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:08.520 that's it. So I think y'all, the listeners, we are 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:12.159 of multiple minds here, but I think where there is 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:15.560 some unanimity is that there's a general belief that people 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:18.840 aren't disposable, and that folks have things to offer and 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.960 to give, and that to the extent possible, we ought 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:24.720 to make away in a window, in an opening form 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:28.160 to do just that. Again, we thank you for your time. 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:30.919 I hope, I hope you keep you too long, not 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:33.840 like the show I hosted this week with a long time. 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:36.920 We want to wish you all well. 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