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Speaker 1: And Welcome to Lake Cake is live it a Sunday night,

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Speaker 1: December twelfth, Dear of Our Lord in twenty twenty one

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Speaker 1: jam packed High Top Downtown Nashville, Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: If you hire a new coach but you don't.

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Speaker 1: Bring along your assistant athletic director and your athletic director

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Speaker 1: and some relatives and whatnot, does the hire really even matter?

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Speaker 1: I would argue, in this modern college football age of ours, No,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't. Everything I just said is going to make

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Speaker 1: sense before the end of the show, Oregon's got a

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Speaker 1: new head coach.

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Speaker 2: You may think to yourself, would you lead the show

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Speaker 2: with that? Though? Yeah, because it matters. It matters.

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Speaker 1: With the way it went down, some of you still

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Speaker 1: may not know what I'm talking about a whole lot

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Speaker 1: more than just in and around Eugene organ So we

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Speaker 1: will discuss that there is a huge bubble that has

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Speaker 1: already been inflated in the SEC West, and it continues

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Speaker 1: to just grow and grow and grow. Even in the

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Speaker 1: last few hours. We've got catching a headline, if you will,

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Speaker 1: out of Arkansas about Sam Pittman and maybe his compensation

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Speaker 1: headed north of four million dollars a year, maybe five million,

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Speaker 1: six million, perhaps north of seven million dollars per year.

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Speaker 1: For the record, he makes three point seventy five per

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Speaker 1: right now. He also recently employed the services of Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Sexton as his new agent. The Transfer Portal, it's still

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Speaker 1: on fire. Nothing's changed. No amount of fire extinguishers and

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Speaker 2: Right now. It's on fire.

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Speaker 1: And so we're also going to discuss that tonight along

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Speaker 1: with a team that has felt the iire the brunt,

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Speaker 1: if you will, of the Transfer Portal lately, and that

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Speaker 1: is Clemson.

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Speaker 2: They told you it could never happen. They were wrong.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about Clemson tonight and some churn

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Speaker 1: happening with the program. It's very popular right now to

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Speaker 1: pile on Clemson. Some of it is valid and some

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Speaker 1: of it's just haters. So we're going to try and

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Speaker 1: dig through what's valid and what's not tonight. But there's

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Speaker 1: a lot going on at Clemson, a lot more than

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Speaker 1: the last several years combined. And so what where's that

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Speaker 1: program gonna be in twenty twenty five? Think about that.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about it later. Here's an update on our

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Speaker 1: schedule this week. There's a very crazy week coming up.

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Speaker 1: So we've got obviously our live show tonight, and then

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Speaker 1: we will not have a normal show on Tuesday night

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Speaker 1: because I will be headed down to Fort Lauderdale to

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Speaker 1: do our National Signing Day show, which will air on

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Speaker 1: will be over on CBS Sports HQ, and then we're

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Speaker 1: And then we'll also do a version of Latekick on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday night. Obviously it will be early Signing debait based

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Speaker 1: Christmas coming up, and when we've got traveled down to

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a very abnormal month. But I

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Speaker 1: think a very informative month and a very good month

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Speaker 1: for content. I appreciate you guys trafficking the show because

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we don't believe in the off season.

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Speaker 1: We don't even believe in taking December off. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for that so much. So we got a lot to

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Speaker 1: get to. Let's go about a million different angles tonight.

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Speaker 1: Oregon changed the game this week. They changed the game

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Speaker 2: So much more happened here, though, than meets the eye.

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Speaker 1: If you've kind of been tuned out and living your

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Speaker 1: may just have seen the headline, Oregon hires Georgia defensive

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Speaker 1: There's a lot that changed as a byproduct of this

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Speaker 1: And admittedly some of it happened with the Notre Dame search,

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Speaker 1: moving forward. So that's about the extent of the Georgia

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Speaker 1: vice versa. Mario Christabaul put together an SEC team up there.

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Speaker 2: So I think that even though they had.

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Speaker 2: State boundaries have never mattered less.

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Speaker 1: I think that these things that you're holding in your

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Speaker 1: Technology works in very fascinating ways, sometimes good, sometimes bad.

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Speaker 1: What it's done right now is it has shrunk the country,

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Speaker 1: It has shrunk the world, and you really don't feel

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Speaker 2: So from the South, and.

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Speaker 1: I've got the vantage point because I came from there,

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that a lot of finalists' lists

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Speaker 1: I have seen Oregon as a finalist in the South

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Speaker 1: more commonly than I've seen Southern cal See a generation ago,

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Speaker 1: surprised by it. Anyway, Sam Pittman, I think we can

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Speaker 1: all agree had a good year this year. Sam Pittman

441
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Speaker 1: currently makes three point seventy five million dollars per year.

442
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Speaker 1: And I say currently because that could be about to change.

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Speaker 1: Sam Pittman, like everyone else out there these days, has

444
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Speaker 1: gone and hired the services of Jimmy Sexton as his

445
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,800
Speaker 1: new client or as his new agent. Pittman is now

446
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Speaker 1: a client of Jimmy Sexton. Per the Arkansas Democrat Gazette today,

447
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Speaker 1: they are floating a new contract with the University of

448
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Speaker 1: Arkansas that would land in the neighborhood of seven years

449
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Speaker 1: fifty million dollars. So I had stats at info crunch

450
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Speaker 1: the numbers, and that is around seven million dollars, a

451
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Speaker 1: little bit north of seven million dollars per year. Jesse

452
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Speaker 1: didn't even want to put the decimal in there, so

453
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Speaker 1: it's just about seven million in change per year. I

454
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Speaker 1: also did my own numbers, and that's almost double what

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Speaker 1: he's making right now.

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Speaker 2: And that brings me.

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Speaker 1: Back to the SEC West bubble, because boy, it's big.

458
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Speaker 1: The SEC West bubble is really big right now. And

459
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Speaker 1: I just want to know, as you look at this

460
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Speaker 1: list of salaries and you assume that Sam Pittman's about

461
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Speaker 1: to get a massive pay raise, how long will that

462
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Speaker 1: bubble stay intact? I would argue it can't stay intact

463
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Speaker 1: very long. Because here's the good news. I'll give you

464
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Speaker 1: the good news first. It's going to sound a whole

465
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Speaker 1: lot like the bad news. The good news is every

466
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Speaker 1: program in the SEC West is all in I think

467
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Speaker 1: it's the only division in any conference in America that

468
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Speaker 1: you could accurately say every program is at an A

469
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Speaker 1: or an A plus level in terms of being fully

470
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Speaker 1: invested in football.

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Speaker 2: That's the good news.

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Speaker 1: The bad news is also that every program is all

473
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Speaker 1: in on football. It's not normal, and that means you

474
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Speaker 1: got a bubble and that thing is going to go

475
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Speaker 1: pup eventually because normally what you have is you have

476
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Speaker 1: a hierarchy and you have a couple of programs that

477
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Speaker 1: are all in, and then you've got a couple more

478
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Speaker 1: programs that take it pretty darn serious and any given

479
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Speaker 1: year they could pop you for a loss. And then

480
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Speaker 1: you've got the also ran that you used to get

481
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Speaker 1: fat on. We don't really have any of that in

482
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Speaker 1: the SEC West. Everyone's all in. Why is that bad news? Well,

483
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Speaker 1: when you're all in, you expect those returns on investments,

484
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Speaker 1: and simple mathematics tell you if we got all these

485
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Speaker 1: teams all in, there aren't enough wins to go around,

486
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Speaker 1: and that creates a great, big bubble. And so we

487
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Speaker 1: got say in at Alabama, we got Jimbo there at

488
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Speaker 1: Texas A and M.

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Speaker 2: We've got Brian Kelly.

490
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Speaker 1: Now at LSU, you would think if you judged on

491
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Speaker 1: the resources available of those programs, and then you judged

492
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Speaker 1: those coaches track records, you would think those are great

493
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Speaker 1: white type programs type situations. Normally you got room for one,

494
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Speaker 1: maybe two great whites. Maybe in a division you certainly

495
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: don't have room for three. But even if we were

496
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Speaker 1: going to have three over here, you gotta have some Mennos.

497
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Speaker 1: You got to have some food out there. Arkansas's not food.

498
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Speaker 1: Did you play Arkansas this year? Did you watch what

499
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Speaker 1: it was like to play Arkansas this year? Ole Miss

500
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Speaker 1: just went ten and two. Ole Miss is in a

501
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 1: new year six game leech. In any other conference, people

502
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Speaker 1: will be scared to death to play him every Saturday.

503
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Speaker 1: And then you got one unknown. To me, the only

504
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Speaker 1: real unknown in the entire SEC West is Brian Harson

505
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Speaker 1: at Auburn. And by the way, just speaking to Harson,

506
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Speaker 1: I don't know anything specifically.

507
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Speaker 2: I want to preface before I say this.

508
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Speaker 1: I don't know anything specifically other than I have an

509
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Speaker 1: itch on my nose.

510
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Speaker 2: That's the first thing I know.

511
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Speaker 1: The second thing I know is you've heard some rumors,

512
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 1: some random whispers about Brian Harson out there, right, And

513
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: you also saw Lincoln Riley just flat out say now

514
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Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm going to go as far away from

515
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Speaker 1: the SEC West as I can get. And it was

516
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 1: reported that when Riley left Oklahoma for USC, the eventual

517
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: move to the SEC was part of his decision making

518
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Speaker 1: for getting out of there. My point is, whether you

519
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 1: hear some strange rumors every now and then, or you

520
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: see some eye popping headlines that involve coaches leaving that division,

521
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Speaker 1: you look at that list we just threw up a

522
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Speaker 1: second ago, or I read to you a second ago.

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Speaker 1: It makes it make a little more sense, doesn't it.

524
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Speaker 1: If someone tells you one of the big lies, you know,

525
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: we go through them all the time. I think I'm

526
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Speaker 1: going to do a segment coming up on one of

527
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Speaker 1: the big lies, which is you are what your record

528
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: says you are. Just point them to the SEC West.

529
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Speaker 1: I want you to look at Auburn's schedule if you're

530
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Speaker 1: watching on YouTube right now, and I want you to think,

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Speaker 1: in any given year, Auburn University has to play LSU,

532
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Speaker 1: they have to play Texas A and M. They have

533
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Speaker 1: to play Alabama, they got to play Arkansas, they got

534
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Speaker 1: to play Ole Miss, Mississippi State, oh and by the way,

535
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Speaker 1: they get the added bonus of play in Georgia every

536
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Speaker 1: single year. If you want to look me in my

537
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Speaker 1: eye with a straight face and tell me ten and

538
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: two against that schedule just doesn't measure up to a

539
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Speaker 1: twelve and oho or an eleven and one in a

540
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Speaker 1: G five conference. I'm going to not ask are you

541
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Speaker 1: on substances? I'm going to ask which substance are you on?

542
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: And then there's a third option, and that's you just

543
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: being willfully ignorant or maybe wanting to buy into sec bias.

544
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Speaker 2: Whatever that garbage is.

545
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Speaker 1: Look at that schedule like hoops hommest amongst us would

546
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Speaker 1: look at that, and first off, expect anyone to be

547
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Speaker 1: able to go undefeated. But even if you get through

548
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: eleven and one or ten and two, I'm telling you

549
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: right now, I can take some playoff teams out there

550
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: and I can put them through that and if they

551
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Speaker 1: go nine and three, I'd be pretty impressed. So one

552
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 1: of the big three lies in college football as you

553
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: are what your record says you are. Another one of

554
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 1: the big three lies is hell a win is a win.

555
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna go over the third lie in detail

556
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: down the road. But that's a bloodbath. And as we

557
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Speaker 1: look ahead towards Wednesday, when we have early signing Day

558
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: coming up, we have Texas A and M pushing hard

559
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: for the top class in the country. Certainly you're gonna

560
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Speaker 1: have Alabama in there. Certainly we're watching for what LSU

561
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Speaker 1: is able to do. They're trying to scramble and kept

562
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: Frank Wilson on board, which is huge for them.

563
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 2: Brought him back, not kept him on board, brought him back.

564
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Speaker 1: And they've had some guys like Corey Raymond leave, but

565
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: they've also got Frank Wilson on board and they're just

566
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Speaker 1: trying as best they can to you know, snatch as

567
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Speaker 1: many as they can.

568
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: But let's see what they do. But just in a.

569
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Speaker 1: General year, I mean, you got Laying Kiffin there at

570
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Speaker 1: Old Miss and he's not one of the first three

571
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Speaker 1: that you really even mentioned. Because you got Brian Kelly

572
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: on the block now, and you got Jimbo doing what

573
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: he's doing in Alabama doing what they're doing. I think

574
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Speaker 1: it's just fascinating that Texas A and M is looking

575
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Speaker 1: around and saying, well, we don't really care. We rightfully,

576
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Speaker 1: if they feel this way, rightfully, we should be the

577
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: other Alabama. We should be that other program that the

578
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 1: rest of the country looks at and says, boy, I'm

579
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: glad I'm not in the SEC West, so don't have

580
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: to play those guys. They're building towards that. I mean,

581
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: they got a hall coming in a hall, and that's

582
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Speaker 1: not even to mention what they could do any given

583
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Speaker 1: year in.

584
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Speaker 2: The transfer portal.

585
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Speaker 1: So boy oh boy, I mean, who knows they may

586
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: may do something a quarterback in the transfer portal for

587
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: all we know, whispers, rumors and your windows out there.

588
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: But the Wednesday early signing Day, I think we'll raise

589
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: a lot of eyebrows for people who aren't fully tuned

590
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 1: into recruiting all the time, and they just come around

591
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: when the signing days are happening. I don't think a

592
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: lot of people know what A and M's been up to,

593
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: but they're about to find out what they're up to.

594
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: And Alabama's not going anywhere. Obama's right there too, like

595
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: their neck and neck. You know, it's the usual suspects.

596
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: And George's up there too. But boy, A and M.

597
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: They said, we see the party. We understand who's hosting

598
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: the party in Tuscaloosa, But we're gonna come in anyway,

599
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: if that's all right. The sec West, stay exactly where

600
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: you are, Billy Napier, Stay exactly where you are, Kirby Smart,

601
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: You don't need to go anywhere. Stay over there as

602
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,959
Speaker 1: long as you can. You gotta cherish it, like Billy Madison.

603
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: You gotta cherish it, all right, Let's move on. The

604
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: transfer portal is well, it's a blaze, it's on fire.

605
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 1: Say this every episode, but it's accurate every episode.

606
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: So the transfer portal latest.

607
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: We got one name that continues to be a familiar

608
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: threat here that we'll mention in the end.

609
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: But how about BJ Foster.

610
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: Bj Foster is out at Texas well, at least he's

611
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: in the portal, and Chris Amora Adam Moore is also there,

612
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 1: a couple of defensive back players. Foster has been a

613
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: solid four year player at Texas. He was a former

614
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: five star guy. And that's why it catches your eye

615
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: because you see all five of those stars because you're

616
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Speaker 1: using the former rating.

617
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 2: He goes in the portal. He's been a solid guy there.

618
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: He's to me, been a guy who I've always watched

619
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: and I've been waiting for it to click. I've been

620
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: waiting for him to go from a solid, dependable player

621
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: to a true star player, and for a variety of reasons,

622
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: never really panned out that way. At least it hasn't yet.

623
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: Not a bad player, very good player, but a guy

624
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: who who knows goes somewhere else, gets in the right

625
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: secondary with the right coach, and maybe they pull a

626
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: little bit extra that final fifteen percent out of him.

627
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: Adam mora old staff just flat out liked him a

628
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: lot more than the new staff did. And so those

629
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Speaker 1: are two guys that are departures.

630
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Speaker 2: Now. We've expected this.

631
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: We didn't know who it was going to be, but

632
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: we've expected a lot of guys to hit the exit door.

633
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: Steve Sarkisan told you as much at a press availability

634
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: about a month or so ago. Here's why they're not

635
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: really talking about this all that much.

636
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: In Austin.

637
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: It's called who could be coming in the door, And

638
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about yours.

639
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 2: We'll get to yours in a few minutes.

640
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: But Kelvin Banks, who we talked about on this show

641
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: when he committed to Oregon a couple of months ago,

642
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: well he's in the Fold, five star offensive tackle back

643
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: in the Fold, at Texas may not be the last

644
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: big one they have from this weekend.

645
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 2: And so yeah, they got some guys hitting.

646
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: The exit door, but they've also got their guys emphasis

647
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: on their guys coming in the front door. So no

648
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: one's really shedding a whole lot of tears in Austin,

649
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: Texas right now. Joe A Joe is a receiver from Clemson.

650
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: Hey has also entered the transfer portal. Frank Latson's in there,

651
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: Joe A Joe is in there. This is a guy

652
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: who probably has not grown into his game. I think

653
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: even the Clemson staff would tell you this really impressive

654
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: physical specimen. He looked like about half a dozen other

655
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: receivers Clemson had this year. They had just the same

656
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: body type six three two twenty, every single one of

657
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: them exact same size. So they didn't have a lot

658
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: of versatility and variety in that receiver room. But that's

659
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: exactly the point a lot of Clemson folks are making.

660
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: Is number one, he never really maximized his potential here.

661
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: You would have some folks around the program tell you

662
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: that may not be as much on Clemson development as

663
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: it is on maybe the play fully buying into the development.

664
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: I've never coached him, so I'm just telling you what

665
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: people say. But other than that, I don't think it's

666
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: the worst thing in the world. I know there's a

667
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: lot negative that's being said about Clemson right now, but

668
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: a guy like a Joe with Joe hitting the exit

669
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: door via the portal, you need less of that if

670
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: it means you get more five eleven, one seventy five

671
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: can hit the seam and split safeties and get behind

672
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: the secondary. That's what they need more of. That's what

673
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: they didn't have at all this year, and it showed

674
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: like they finally played some better football down the stretch.

675
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 1: But it took a long time because there was no

676
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: threat of Clemson beating you over the top.

677
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: So less of his body type.

678
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: If it means a little bit more what you've seen

679
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: Ohio State and Alabama play with, that's all the better

680
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: for me. We're gonna talk about Clemson later. Austin Stagner

681
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma. He was I think a second team All

682
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: American tight end back in twenty nineteen. He entered the

683
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: portal about two weeks ago. He entered in late November.

684
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: He's still in there. He's taken a visit to South Carolina.

685
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: He's taken a visit to Iowa State. Well, he was

686
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: on campus, may still be in Columbus at Ohio State

687
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: this weekend. And anytime Ohio State's involved and they really

688
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: want you, it's hard to turn him down and it's

689
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: hard to beat him. So let's see where this goes.

690
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: It's expected, by the latest reporting I've seen around our

691
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: entire network that we could have a decision coming sometime

692
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: in the next week to two weeks.

693
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: I know that's.

694
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: Vague, but then again, if that's the information you have

695
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: to go on, it's the information you have to go on.

696
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: Six six two point fifty six tight end, as I said,

697
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: and has two years to play. This is the kind

698
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: of player I think that if he lands at a

699
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 1: place like Ohio State. Let's just for argument's sake, say

700
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: he lands at Ohio State. This is the kind of

701
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: guy that, midway through the season is making differences in games.

702
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: It's the kind of guy who's making the kind of

703
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: plays you're seeing right now in to B role, and

704
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: he's filling a role that maybe Ohio State didn't have.

705
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: There aren't many Austin Stagner's out there, and so it's

706
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: just a guy who probably didn't like the fit with

707
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: the new staff coming in at Oklahoma to try and

708
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: his hand elsewhere. A lot of these big programs recruited

709
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: him the first time around. Stagner, If Felands and Ohio State, it's.

710
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: Gonna be a big deal. Feelands anywhere, it's gonna be

711
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: a big deal.

712
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: But if he lands at Ohio State, that's just a

713
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: little bit different kind of weapon than you've had there.

714
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: And now we get to Quinn Eewers. What's happening with

715
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: Quinn Eewers.

716
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: Well, I will give mister Ewer's credit and also our

717
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: staff across the network credit because the reporting has stayed

718
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: pretty in line here. So he was at Texas Tech

719
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: last week and now he is in town in.

720
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: Austin, Texas.

721
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: I think right now he's been at Texas this weekend.

722
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: Really good coverage of this. It's ongoing over on Horns

723
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven dot com. This feels like it's

724
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: going to be decided in the next twenty four to

725
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: forty eight hours. And you'd be hard pressed right now

726
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: to find reputable people close to this recruitment, I guess

727
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: is what we're gonna call it. That would tell you

728
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: anything other than it looks like Texas. Most people I

729
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: spoke with, pretty much everything I read with any reputability

730
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 1: today indicated there's a lot of Texas buzz here, and

731
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 1: I reached out to a couple of our guys, and

732
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: even the off the record transmissions that you have with

733
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: people looks like Texas. And now there's always hesidence because

734
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: you know something could pop up eleventh hour, But as

735
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 1: of right now, pretty much everyone in the know here

736
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: thinks if he pulls the trigger tonight or tomorrow, probably

737
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: gonna be Texas. Think about what could be happening in

738
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: Austin if that goes down, by the way, you could

739
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: end up with Quinn viewers, which I'm gonna say it

740
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: because they won't makes him your starting quarterback this upcoming season.

741
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: And then you've also got flips happening in recruiting, and

742
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: they may not be done in the portal, by the way.

743
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: In fact, I can tell you confidently I don't think

744
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: they're going to be done in the portal. They are

745
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: remaking a team, That's what they're doing. Texas and Steve

746
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: Sarkeesian are just flat out remaking the team. Now, you

747
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: can't totally do it in one season, but it also

748
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: doesn't take four seasons anymore either.

749
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: This is something to watch.

750
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: I think it's as I told you, The remake of Clemson,

751
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: which I'm about to talk about, and the re organization

752
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: of Texas two huge stories to follow over spring and

753
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: in the summer months. Because Texas, I don't know if

754
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: they're going to be better or worse record wise, They're

755
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: going to look so much different next year than they

756
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: did this year. So at the very least, you know,

757
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: in the name of pol SaaS and everything else.

758
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: Let's just hope. Let's just hope.

759
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: There's a lawsuit going on. Colin cut this out of

760
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: the vo when you put it up. You know, there's

761
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: a lawsuit that is working its way through the courts

762
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: involving that child that got bitten by the monkey of

763
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: pol Assassin, and the other night we were going to

764
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: lead with it, and then something came up, and so

765
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: we still are monitoring the situation.

766
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: And so if we do get some.

767
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: New information about the lawsuit filed against the exotic dancer

768
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: fiance of a Texas Special Teams coordinator with a monkey

769
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: that bit a child, all that's real, we will let

770
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: you know because we are hard hitting journalism. Here Clemson

771
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: and Dabos Sweeney wanted to wrap the show up with

772
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: this tonight. You have asked for like two or three

773
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: shows in a row.

774
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: What are you gonna talk about Clemson?

775
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: Cause there's this funny slice of our audience that things

776
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm a Clemson homer. There is a big slice of

777
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: the Clemson fan base that thinks were Clemson haters. And

778
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: then there's reality and it's just that we watch Clemson

779
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 1: like we do every other program. Clemson and Dabosweeny right now,

780
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: a lot of churn going on around the program.

781
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: I was recalling the other day.

782
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: I was telling the story to one of our staffers

783
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: about one of the most contentious periods in the history

784
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: of this show. It was well before we came to

785
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven. It was when I was down

786
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: in Columbus, Georgia, and we were doing the show independently.

787
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: It was the twenty eighteen National Championship game. It was

788
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: the one in Santa Clara. What a disaster, And it

789
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: was also a disaster for Alabama because Clemson just body

790
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: bagged Alabama. Would think it was forty four to sixteen,

791
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: the final just not even competitive in the end, it

792
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: wasn't competitive, and coming off off that, I fly back home,

793
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: I was at the game, I fly back home and

794
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: I do the next show. And I was noncommittal on

795
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: going as far as a lot of the national types had,

796
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: which is to say that Clemson had ascended to being

797
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 1: the top program in the country and Daboswiney had ascended

798
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: to being the top head coach in the country. It

799
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: was very hard because you couldn't I couldn't honestly state

800
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: my opinion in the immediate aftermath of a team winning

801
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: a title without it sounded like I was a hater

802
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: because you're supposed to just be adorning them with praise,

803
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: which I was for the win, and that was their

804
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: second in three years, and both of the wins were

805
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: over Alabama.

806
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: It was nothing about that.

807
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: But the suggestion I kept making was there is an

808
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: illusion that a lot of people were under. There were

809
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: some Clemson fans under it, some of the national media,

810
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: some of the agnostic observers were under the same illusion,

811
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: and that was Clemson has gotten to this altitude, There'll

812
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: be no turbulence, They're just going to cruise. And there

813
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: were some people who would suggest to you because they

814
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: go about things differently there because their process different, and

815
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: I'll grant you it is. That's a testament to them,

816
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: it's a credit to them. But there were some under

817
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: the illusion that because they've built it different, because their

818
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: principles may be a little bit different, they are immune

819
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: to what I call the consequences of success. And I

820
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: never bought that, and you should never have bought that

821
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: because they weren't. I will say this, They do do

822
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 1: it different there. They do have a different culture. It's

823
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: a credit to Dabo Swiney that it's taken this long

824
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: for the consequences of success to really jump up and

825
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: bite him. They haven't been losing staffers, they haven't been

826
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: losing the commitments, but now they are, and it's all

827
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: happening really fast. So Clemson now without Brent Venables, the

828
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, without Tony Elliott, the offensive coordinator, without the

829
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 1: athletic director, They've had multiple de commitments. They've got guys

830
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 1: hitting the transfer portal, and so it leads you to ask,

831
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: what's happening at Clemson. Well, churn, it's what's happening at Clemson.

832
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: Life is what's happening at Clemson. I know you may

833
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: look at it and see this big giant red flag.

834
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah it's a red flag because they haven't gone through

835
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: it before. Doesn't automatically mean it's a death sentence for

836
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: the program, but it is an inflection point for Daboswiney

837
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: and his tenure there because I think back to like

838
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 1: Pirates of the Caribbean, you know when that old ghost

839
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: pirate he says, you best start believing in ghost stories.

840
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: Hold on, let me put my patch on. You're in one.

841
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: Well, you best start believing in the consequences of success

842
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: because you're in them.

843
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: This is it.

844
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: This is what real life has been like for Nick

845
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: Saban for the past decade to decade and a half

846
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: at Alabama.

847
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: They lose coordinators every year.

848
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: They got decommitments happen, they got kids entering the portal,

849
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: and they just keep on ticking. That's what you have

850
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: to be to be the greatest of all time. It's

851
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: not getting up, it's actually being able to cruise and

852
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: then if you need to stick the landing, being able

853
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: to stick the landing. Getting there is not nearly the

854
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: hardest part. Oh it's hard. Most people can't even get there.

855
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: But staying at the mountain top with all the consequences,

856
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: all the thin air up there that you never have

857
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: to worry about when you're at base camp.

858
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 2: That's the hard, hard part.

859
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: So now we find out about Dabo swinning, this is

860
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: not me doubting him. It is me questioning how he'll

861
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: handle this, because you've got to make hires now, and

862
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 1: I think it is a huge inflection point. I think

863
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: it's going to be a very very critical couple of

864
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: decisions that Dabo has to make here. And I can

865
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: tell you if I know him anywhere close to like

866
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: I think I do from Afar, he's got to be

867
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: so conflicted because he does have options. It's Clemson. You

868
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: could go get a lot of guys who want to

869
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: coach at Clemson. It's a great it's a great opportunity.

870
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: What he in his mind has to reason is does

871
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: he want to go internal and promote from with them,

872
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: or does he think it's time for new blood. Because

873
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: you could look internally. You can look at Brandon Streeter,

874
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: who's currently coaching quarterbacks. For him, you could just elevate

875
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: him to offensive coordinator. Some people think that's what he's

876
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: going to do. You can look at Wes Goodwin and

877
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: he's an off field analyst for you. You could promote him

878
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: if you wanted to the defensive coordinator. Some people think

879
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: that's the direction he'll go. But let me tell you

880
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: what else people think, and I would agree with this.

881
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: The program has been stale. It is not a program

882
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 1: that feels like it's got a lot of fresh water

883
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: flowing into it. You got to be careful. You gotta

884
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: be careful. Nick Saban's been very good to guard against this.

885
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: Stagnation is not a good thing for any kind of program,

886
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: any kind of organization. You need new ideas. You don't

887
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: need new principles, you don't need new values. Those are mainstays,

888
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: but new ideas, new approaches, tinkering with doing it this way,

889
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: or understanding that there's evolution happening out there and we

890
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: got to stay one step ahead of it or we'll

891
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: be behind it. How do you weigh that you got

892
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: the Clemson way of doing things. Sure, you've built your

893
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: organization so that you can promote from within. But then

894
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: over on the other side, you're asking yourself, but if

895
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: we do have that stagnation problem, if we are a

896
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: little stale, if we're in a bubble here in our

897
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: own right, and there's a lot going on out there

898
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: that we're just not aware of. And there's some programs

899
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: that are getting an edge on us that we're not

900
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: aware of. Well, the only way really maybe to solve

901
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: that is for me to bring some new blood in here.

902
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: But there's risk with that too. You don't know if

903
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: any of these guys are gonna work out, but there's

904
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: risk with that too. You've already got some of your

905
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: signing class, all the IMG kids, three big time defensive

906
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: players have decommitted. If you go another direction and maybe

907
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: Elliott or Britain Venables come and they go after Street

908
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: or are they go after good One, do you lose

909
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: some more of your recruiting class. How are you going

910
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: to weigh that? You also got this little tibbit to

911
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: keep in mind. Dabo to this point has not leveraged

912
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: the transfer portal. I think he's got to leverage the

913
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: transfer portal. This is all happening over.

914
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: The span of a few months now.

915
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: It's been building up and we've led up to this,

916
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: but now you've got all these things that once people

917
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: bragged about Dabbo not having to worry about.

918
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: They're not trickling. It's a flood.

919
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: Someone cracked the damn and there's a flood, and now

920
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: you've got to fill all those roles, and you've got

921
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: to deal with this issue and that issue, and then

922
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to maybe make some decisions that you're

923
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: never you've never been put in a position to have

924
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: to make before.

925
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: That's what a leader has to do. It's really easy.

926
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Speaker 1: I'm not questioning Dabo Swiney's resolve or his grit. He

927
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: was around when it wasn't so good. Daboswiney, he was

928
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: a risk. Clemson took a big risk on him. He

929
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: knows all about that. I don't no doubt that he

930
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: knows about that. I do wonder when it comes to

931
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: those consequences of success, about how he's going to deal

932
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: with it, the same way I wonder about anyone else.

933
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: Because there is no training manual for this. You can

934
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: listen to every clinic speaker, you can get all the

935
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: phone calls and text messages with people who've been there

936
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: and done that. They can give you all the advice

937
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: in the world. They don't know the organization like you do.

938
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: They don't know your heart and your mind.

939
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: Like you do.

940
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: You got to make the decisions because you are the

941
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: leader of Clemson football.

942
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: They're not.

943
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: You can't do it exactly like Sabin did it, or

944
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: exactly like Urban did it when he was.

945
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Speaker 2: A college football head coach.

946
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: I should specify this is, like I said, along with

947
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: the Texas situation, one of the most intriguing college football storylines,

948
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: because this is not just happening in a vacuum.

949
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 2: Guys.

950
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: We've also got a new coach in town in Coral Gables.

951
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: So certainly not going to sit there and just fall

952
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: in line where they're supposed to. Florida State, it's not

953
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: going to fall in line where they're supposed to Pitt

954
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: and wait for us just play for the ACC title,

955
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: not Clemson. So the ACC was never just gonna sit

956
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: still and let Clemson beat on it for a decade

957
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 1: and a half. So now we got some evolution happening.

958
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: We got some churn happening, we got some changes happening.

959
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: One of the biggest stories to pay attention to. I

960
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: want you, guys, to do me a favor, by the way,

961
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Speaker 1: I want you we got some breaking news, Jesse. Is

962
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: that what you just said? Yes, okay, So right as

963
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Speaker 1: we go off the air, thank you Pete Thamil. Pete

964
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Speaker 1: Thamil is reporting that Jesse is reporting, Pete Tamil is reporting,

965
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Speaker 1: and I want you to quote it that way that

966
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Speaker 1: quinn Youwers will indeed transfer to Texas. We were just

967
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Speaker 1: talking about it twenty minutes ago.

968
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Speaker 2: This is big.

969
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Speaker 1: I mean, my initial reaction is, this is a huge

970
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: day for Steve Sarkisian. You never know five years from

971
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: now sark is still there. You never know how important

972
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: this day could have been. And this acquisition, let's just

973
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: call it what it is, could have been to being

974
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: the first big domino that got knocked down because quinn

975
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Speaker 1: Ewers is not coming to Texas alone. Quinn Ewers is

976
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: coming to Texas, and then there will be a windfall

977
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: of other offensive talent that wants to play with him.

978
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Speaker 1: Quinn Ewers is very much a keystone kind of recruit,

979
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Speaker 1: and that his decision has a ripple effect throughout the

980
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: rest of the recruiting pond and the transfer portal pond.

981
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Speaker 1: A lot of pond metaphors tonight. So thank you Jesse,

982
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: just in time here. Had we gone off five minutes ago.

983
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Speaker 2: We would have missed it.

984
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Speaker 1: I was about to ask you to do me a favor,

985
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Speaker 1: one favor, hit the subscribe button and that's the only favor.

986
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Speaker 1: Other than that, I appreciate you guys tuning in. Make

987
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Speaker 1: sure you're following on Twitter and Instagram at Late Kick Josh.

988
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: We got a busy week coming up. There's a lot

989
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Speaker 1: going on, we're gonna be on the road, and so

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Speaker 1: I would just I would highly advise you be following

991
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Speaker 1: there at Late Kick Josh. For not producer Jordan, he

992
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Speaker 1: does the podcast for us, for producer Jesse.

993
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Speaker 2: For director Colin, and for our entire I'm Josh Bate.

994
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Speaker 1: and God bless