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Speaker 1: a lot of you answered me. We had a ton

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Speaker 1: of responses. So some of the areas that I would

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Speaker 1: go is Number one, You've got to explain the concept

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Speaker 1: of how different a game day environment is in college

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Speaker 1: football than in the NFL. And I assume that this

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Speaker 1: person would know about the NFL, because who doesn't know

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Speaker 1: about the NFL. You got to have partaken in these

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Speaker 1: game day environments in order to fully appreciate them. See

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Speaker 1: Collins rolling some b roll right now, and you'll notice

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Speaker 1: a lot of what you're seeing. In fact, everything that

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Speaker 1: he's shown so far is not in a stadium. He's

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Speaker 1: going through tailgate areas. He's going through quads and groves,

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Speaker 1: and he's showing all forms of succulent meat, smoking immunity

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Speaker 1: to all of it. Of course, an ocean of canopies,

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Speaker 1: intents probably purchased at academy sports and outdoors, and just

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Speaker 1: a sea of humanity. And that's every Saturday before the

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Speaker 1: game starts. I know, you guys, tailgate and concrete jungles

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Speaker 1: in the NFL on Sundays. I know you do, but

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Speaker 1: even you guys aren't ignorant enough to tout your pregame

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Speaker 1: and game day environments against the likes of college football.

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Speaker 1: And if you've ever experienced that, I think you also

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Speaker 1: start to understand a lot of the pageantry, a lot

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Speaker 1: of the tradition, but your game day environments. And also

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Speaker 1: think about this. Keep in mind I have sixty seconds

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Speaker 1: to do this, but just pretend like I'm talking really fast.

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Speaker 1: The spectacle of campuses campi is the plural of campus

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Speaker 1: on this show, the spectacle of CAMPI. Think about how

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Speaker 1: inverted this is from the NFL. So in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: every team aside from Green Bay plays in a big city.

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Speaker 1: So you have a lot of people who live all

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Speaker 1: over the place. You know, some of you may live

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta, some of you may live in Akwords. Some

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Speaker 1: of you may live you know, up north and Clayton

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Speaker 1: or down south and Columbus are making but everyone kind

461
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Speaker 1: of migrates to the big city for the game. You

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Speaker 1: may live in Harrisburg, you may live in York, but

463
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Speaker 1: you gravitate migrate to Philadelphia for the game. And college

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Speaker 1: football is the exact opposite a bunch of people from

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Speaker 1: big cities, mostly alumni, but in many cases not. They

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Speaker 1: make it a point to leave the cities and go

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Speaker 1: out in the middle of nowhere and turn this little

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Speaker 1: map dot into like the second or third biggest town

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Speaker 1: in their state for a few hours of about eight

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Speaker 1: saturdays a year. It's so beautiful. Like Lincoln Financial Field

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Speaker 1: is something that's in Philadelphia. Beaver Stadium is what State

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Speaker 1: College Pennsylvania gravitates around like it exists around that place. Tuscaloosa,

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Speaker 1: Alabama sort of exists around Bryant Denny Stadium. And that's

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Speaker 1: just not something that you would say about the skyline

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Speaker 1: or the scene in Dallas, which is not even home

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Speaker 1: of the Cowboys. It's out in Arlington. But Phoenix, Arizona

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Speaker 1: is Phoenix Arizona, whether or not you've got the Cardinal Stadium.

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Speaker 1: Do we really say the same thing about College Station Texas.

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Speaker 1: Do we really say the same thing about fab of Arkansas?

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Speaker 1: I think not. Also, passion is something we have to

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Speaker 1: talk about. Passion. It's tough to describe, isn't it. You

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Speaker 1: know it if you've got it, you know what, if

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Speaker 1: you're a big time college football fan, well, most of

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Speaker 1: you watch the NFL too. I'm working all day on Sundays,

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Speaker 1: so I'd hardly ever get to watch the NFL. It's on,

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Speaker 1: but it's in the background. I'm not a diehard fan

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Speaker 1: of any team. I don't play fantasy football. Ironically, I

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Speaker 1: got out of it as it really got popular. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why, but I don't feel it on Sundays

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Speaker 1: like some of you do. But there is a huge,

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Speaker 1: huge swath of our audience that watches college football and

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Speaker 1: watches the NFL. And there are pros and cons of each.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the passion and the intensity on Saturdays

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Speaker 1: is second to none. Now you know that even though

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Speaker 1: you watch both. How do you explain that to somebody though,

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Speaker 1: Cause someone who watches the Kansas City Chiefs and not

497
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Speaker 1: really a big fan of Missouri or Kansas or Kansas State,

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Speaker 1: they would say, hey, man, when I watch Chiefs games,

499
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Speaker 1: that's plenty intents. Of course, it is on the field.

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Speaker 1: There's no more intense competition in the world. There's no

501
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Speaker 1: more physically intense competition in the world than what you

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Speaker 1: see on Sundays on an NFL field. What we're talking

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Speaker 1: about when we're talking about passion and intensity and in

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Speaker 1: some cases just outright hatred or utter jubilation. In college

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Speaker 1: football extends well beyond what's happening on the field. And

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what it is. It's culture, it's ideology,

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Speaker 1: its worldview. The state of Alabama is a perfect example.

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Speaker 1: Auburn and Alabama don't just compete on the football field.

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Speaker 1: These are people with different views on life. These are

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Speaker 1: people with different worldviews and ideologies. And they think there's

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Speaker 1: is right and the others is wrong. In some cases

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Speaker 1: they think there's as good and the other is evil.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to change because I love it. I

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Speaker 1: mean I was born in the middle of it, so

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Speaker 1: I love it. But you got to understand the symbolic

516
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Speaker 1: validation of one way or the other is something that

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Speaker 1: plays out on the football field. Late November, you can't

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Speaker 1: understand how passionate people get about that. Someone posted a

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Speaker 1: clip from al dot com of a past article they

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Speaker 1: wrote which said people of Alabama please stop shooting each

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Speaker 1: other over football. And that article was written in response

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Speaker 1: to the fact that a fan of one team has

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Speaker 1: shot shot the other after the Iron Bowl, which is

524
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Speaker 1: not funny. However, it's something that really happened but this exists.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't really exist like that in the NFL. Chiefs

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Speaker 1: and Raiders play. I know if some of the historic

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Speaker 1: rivalries in the NFL, but it's just teams playing teams.

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Speaker 1: It's franchises playing franchises. These are like competing worldviews on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: It's a great thing while I'm at it. Rivalries mean

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Speaker 1: something way different in college football still than they do

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. I think you look no further than

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Speaker 1: Michigan Ohio State. We had a really big dust up

533
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Speaker 1: on the show last week about how there are some

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Speaker 1: people I still think this is a fringe minority a fan,

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Speaker 1: but there are some fans who are wanting to say

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Speaker 1: lately that since Ohio State lost the game but they

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Speaker 1: won the national title, that means the outcome of that

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Speaker 1: rivalry game doesn't really mean much anymore, which is garbage.

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Speaker 1: I'd use stronger language, but I want Little Timmy to

540
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Speaker 1: be able to ride to work with you in the

541
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Speaker 1: mornings and listen to the show. But it's garbage. That

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00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: rivalry game always has and always will mean in the

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Speaker 1: minds of some people more than the outcome of the

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Speaker 1: national championship picture itself. Now, you don't have to understand that,

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Speaker 1: and if you're not part of a very intense rivalry,

546
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: you won't understand it. That is totally fine. But if

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Speaker 1: you grew up a Michigan fan, you grew up an

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Speaker 1: Ohio State fan, don't really care if you went there

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Speaker 1: or not. If you've been immersed into that culture, in

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Speaker 1: that way of life throughout the entirety of your existence,

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00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: you understand that there is a void in you that

552
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: can only be filled by beating that other team. And

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Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter what trophy they hand you in

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00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: Indianapolis or some other random, sterilized neutral side environment. At

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Speaker 1: the end of the year, it's great. It's great to

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Speaker 1: win a Big Ten title, it's great to win a

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Speaker 1: national title. But there's no hatred that is woven into

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Speaker 1: your DNA at birth for some team that you happen

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Speaker 1: to come up against in a bracket. But there is

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Speaker 1: for that team in ann Arbor or that team in Columbus.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing like that anywhere else in American sport. There's

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Speaker 1: nothing like that, even the other college sports. There's really

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Speaker 1: nothing that matches that. You don't have it across the board,

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Speaker 1: but you got it a few places. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: would just I would even take you off the beaten

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Speaker 1: path to just experience Utah versus Brigham Young. You know,

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Speaker 1: most people, including me, haven't been able to go to

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Speaker 1: that game. Listen to those people talk, Listen listen to

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Speaker 1: them out in Salt Lake. I do a amount of

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Speaker 1: radio out there. Listen to them. It's unbelievable. And then

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Speaker 1: not to mention your traditional rivalries. I mean, go hang

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Speaker 1: out on the sideline and watch Georgia Florida play, no

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Speaker 1: matter what the records are, just watch them play, but

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Speaker 1: feel it, feel it, and then understand we don't really

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Speaker 1: have this anywhere else. What I'm trying to say is

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Speaker 1: what makes college football great. I think in some cases

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Speaker 1: has to be experienced or maybe has to be born into.

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Speaker 1: Now that doesn't mean you can't convert into being a

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Speaker 1: college football fan and can't slowly come to understand what

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Speaker 1: makes it great. Because I got a bunch of people

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Speaker 1: watching and listening to this show right now who fit

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Speaker 1: that description. But it's not for everyone. Everyone's not gonna

583
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Speaker 1: understand it. And one of the one of the great

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Speaker 1: soapboxes that I climb on a lot is the fact

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Speaker 1: that that's okay if you've got a high level mustache,

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Speaker 1: a TV executive in the room. They would lead you

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Speaker 1: to believe that we've never arrived. We've got to do

588
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Speaker 1: whatever it takes and bend the sport however we can

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Speaker 1: to get the next viewer and to get the next

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Speaker 1: decimal point move on a rating. And I'm like, there's

591
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Speaker 1: a point of sort of terminal velocity of this sport

592
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: where we have maximized the value and any step further,

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Speaker 1: any more brushstroke begins to ruin the painting. And it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter at the outset. If more people look at

595
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: the painting. If you're ruining it, you're ruining it. And

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00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: in college football, you get to a point. I think

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Speaker 1: in some cases we're already there, although the sport's not

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Speaker 1: nearly as ruined and not nearly as beyond repair as

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Speaker 1: it's made out to be, not even close. Actually, it

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00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: wasn't built overnight. You can't tear it down overnight. But

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Speaker 1: I think there are some places, in some aspects of

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Speaker 1: college football, some people in charge of college football that

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Speaker 1: don't always understand that concept. And also tell you, you

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00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: know what Mac Brown told me last year when we

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00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: had him on the show. There are plenty of people

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Speaker 1: around the sport who do get it obviously, And for

607
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: a while they sat back because they were just confident

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Speaker 1: other people would take control. And in the absence of

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Speaker 1: strong leadership, week leadership worked its way into the room.

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Speaker 1: And when strong leaders get tired of watching weak minded

611
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: leaders in the absence of the strong kind ruin something

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00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: that's great, then the strong leader has to step in.

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Speaker 1: And the benefit of that is the weak ones aren't

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Speaker 1: really all that hard to get out of the way.

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00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: Just a quick elbow nudge and they're out of the way.

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Speaker 1: You hope that it hasn't been run into the ditch

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00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: too thoroughly, and you can still get it back up

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Speaker 1: on the road. But make no mistake, Okay, I could complain,

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Speaker 1: just like you guys can complain about this and that

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Speaker 1: that we don't like about the sport. Right now, it is,

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Speaker 1: by ten miles maybe more, the greatest sport on the

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Speaker 1: face of the earth. So I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: could fit it in sixty seconds, but if you gave

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Speaker 1: me ten minutes or thereabouts, I think that we could

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Speaker 1: sell pretty much anyone who likes sports, maybe even someone

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Speaker 1: who doesn't. On college football got a nice little solid

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Speaker 1: crowd watching the show tonight. I appreciate you guys. Make

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Speaker 1: sure you're tuned in and make sure you are subscribed

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Speaker 1: as you are tuned in, and I appreciate you check

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Speaker 1: if you haven't already, because an alarming, eh not alarming,

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Speaker 1: A sizeable number of you believe you're subscribed. You think

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Speaker 1: you're subscribed. You don't even think I'm talking to you

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Speaker 1: right now, but you should check because you may not

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Speaker 1: be subscribed. All right, That was it was a little

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Speaker 1: more uplifting, and now we go right back into the

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Speaker 1: barrel of toxicity. We did this last week with the

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Speaker 1: SEC and I have not heard the end of it yet.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna do it here for the Big Ten.

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Speaker 1: Let me take a little sip of water unlabeled of course.

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Speaker 1: Ah man, it's time to rank the Big ten programs,

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Speaker 1: not teams. If we did that, that would be easy.

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Speaker 1: Big ten programs ranked. What is a program? Let me

643
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Speaker 1: state it very clearly so there is no misunderstanding. There

644
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Speaker 1: will be misunderstanding. A program, to me is a rolling

645
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: four year snapshot of on field results. So are you

646
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: winning enough talent acquisition, majority recruiting? But also we pay

647
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: attention to the portal your resource pool. You know, do

648
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: you have deep enough pockets, can you hire good enough

649
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: coaching staffs? Are your facilities top notch? That sort of thing?

650
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: And instability? Have you had a ton of coaching churn?

651
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: Is there drama around the program? Or you pretty much

652
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: study as you go. So it's a blend of all those.

653
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: So if you fall short and one, that's okay, you

654
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: can make it up in the others. Here we go,

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Speaker 1: all right. I can't imagine how the comments are gonna

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Speaker 1: look here, but please understand this is not an attempt

657
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: despite what some will say to rage post or to clickbait.

658
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tell you this is how I feel.

659
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: Many of you will disagree with it. That happens, it

660
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: does happen every now and then. I got Ohio State

661
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: is the number one program in the Big ten. There

662
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: is certainly an argument for Michigan here. I'll make it

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Speaker 1: in a second. Remember how I defined the program. Ohio

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Speaker 1: State edges Michigan for the top spot. Here, they've lost

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Speaker 1: to them four years in a row. Outside of that,

666
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: they've beaten pretty much everyone. They have lost to their

667
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: rival four years in a row. That brings them down

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00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: a little bit. They just won a national championship, So

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Speaker 1: that's a good thing. Recruiting there right there with Oregon

670
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: in sort of a category of their own in the

671
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Speaker 1: Big Ten, and really, Ohio State's been the best recruiter

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Speaker 1: over the past four years up there. Their average recruiting

673
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: ranking has been four point twenty five. Their classes have

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00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: been ranked fourth, fifth, fourth, and fourth. It's a rock

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Speaker 1: solid organizational structure. I think the argument would be, at

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Speaker 1: what point do you have to value on field results

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00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: over everything? Well, I don't value on field results over

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00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: everything when it defines a program, defining a team, I do.

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Speaker 1: I would have put Michigan number one here had the

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Speaker 1: organization not had a lot of turnover, So that actually

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Speaker 1: was the deciding factor for me. Ohio State's got the

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Speaker 1: edge and talent acquisition, Michigan's got the big time edge

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Speaker 1: in on field results. They've both got national championships over

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Speaker 1: the past few years. Michigan, in fact, I'll go ahead

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Speaker 1: and go to number two right now. Michigan's number two.

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Speaker 1: They've actually got the Michigan's got the highest winning percentage

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Speaker 1: in the entire Big Ten. Yeah, Michigan has the highest

688
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: winning percentage of any team in this conference over the

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Speaker 1: last four years. So there's your on field. They've won

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Speaker 1: four in a row against Ohio State. There's your on

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Speaker 1: field part two. They've got three Big Ten titles and

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00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: a national title. There's more on field. Recruiting probably like

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Speaker 1: one step off over the last four years, although this

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Speaker 1: past class was excellent and they got the number one

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Speaker 1: player in the country. So you see, very quickly it

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Speaker 1: sounds like I'm making the argument they should be number one.

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Speaker 1: I really won't push back on you if you argue

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Speaker 1: they should be number one. This was close to me,

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Speaker 1: but I thought they were both very comparable. For the

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Speaker 1: edge that Michigan had on field, I looked and then

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00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: I said, okay, but the guy who was responsible for

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Speaker 1: most to all of that is Jim Harbon. He's not

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Speaker 1: there anymore. And program stability is one of the things

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Speaker 1: that I factor. I don't even care about the NCAA stuff.

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Speaker 1: I told you, I don't think a lot's gonna come

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Speaker 1: from that. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, But please don't

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Speaker 1: misunderstand me. I didn't bump him down to number two

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Speaker 1: because of that. I just threw it all in a blender,

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Speaker 1: and this is how it spat it out for me.

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00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: So Ohio State and Michigan won two. You can flip

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00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: him if you want to. It would make sense. I

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00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: could make the argument for either one of them. I

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Speaker 1: think Oregon's number three in Big Ten program rankings. Over

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Speaker 1: the past four years, they have the number three win

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Speaker 1: percentage of any of these programs in the Big Ten.

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Speaker 1: Recruiting plus portal is elite right now. It wouldn't surprise

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Speaker 1: me if over the next four years they end up

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Speaker 1: being number one in the Big Ten in that category.

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Speaker 1: If nothing changes, If Landing's there, you know the drill.

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Speaker 1: Dan Landing's still very early in his career. By the

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Speaker 1: way I think it was. He could go twelve more

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00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: years head coaching and still be younger than Nick Saban

723
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Speaker 1: was when Saban won his first national title. Just to

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Speaker 1: give you an idea of how good Oregon is set up.

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Speaker 1: But I think about program stability. You want to know

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00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: how solid the organizational structure at Oregon is. Think about this.

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00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: They lost a first round quarterback and the offense got better.

728
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: Bo Nicks gets drafted, first round offense gets better. They

729
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: just went and got Dylan Gabriel Boom plug and play.

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Speaker 1: But also over the past four years, they lost a

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Speaker 1: head coaching caliber. Offensive coordinator Kenny Dillingham left to go

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Speaker 1: to Arizona State and be the head coach, and they

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Speaker 1: stayed the same or maybe even got a little better

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Speaker 1: production wise, and they didn't do it in house. Landing

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Speaker 1: went and got will Stein. You didn't know who he was,

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Speaker 1: you didn't look I remember talking to Landing about it

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00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: and saying, walk me through this hire. He walked me through.

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Speaker 1: It sold me on it. Not that I needed to

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Speaker 1: be sold, but it was really eye opening about the

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00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: process they went through, how they vetted that higher, how

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00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: they sought him out, like they know what they're doing

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Speaker 1: when it comes to hiring up there. And so it's

743
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: just a it's a consistently good staff. It's a hungry

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00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: organization because you could still argue they haven't won anything major,

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00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: which is a good thing as it relates to the future.

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Speaker 1: Penn State is solidly number four for me. They've got

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00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: no wins against the programs above them. They've got virtually

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00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: no losses against the programs beneath them. Maybe one or

749
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: two blemishes here and there, but nothing that would knock

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Speaker 1: them down past four. They average a top twelve class

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Speaker 1: in recruiting over the past four years. It's a consistently

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00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: good staff, and when Franklin has lost guys, he is backfilled.

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00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: He's replaced with very effective guys, in some cases head

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00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: coaches coming in to be coordinators. So i got Penn

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00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: State at four, I've got Iowa at number five. This

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Speaker 1: is where the drop off is no disrespect to Iowa,

757
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: but you got that top I think you got the

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00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: top three in the Big ten. There's a little shelf drop.

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Speaker 1: There's Penn State at four. Then there's a big shelf drop,

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Speaker 1: and then it gets really muddy. Then I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: have a very very lenky argument with anyone about the

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Speaker 1: order of these teams after five, because it could it

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Speaker 1: could be any order, and there's not much difference. I've

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Speaker 1: got Iowa as the number five program in the Big ten.

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Speaker 1: They've got two ten win seasons over the past four years.

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Speaker 1: They haven't been worse than eight wins over the past

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Speaker 1: four years. And while the recruiting rankings may not match

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Speaker 1: what an Oregon does or even a Penn State does,

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Speaker 1: their development's top tier. What they're getting out of the

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00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: guys they bring in, it's pretty incredible. Now the programs

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Speaker 1: above them recruit better than they do, and they also develop.

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Speaker 1: So that's why it's tough for Iowa to crack that

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Speaker 1: top four. But outside of those top four in the

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00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: big no one's done a consistently better job than Kirk

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00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: ference at Iowa. How about six through ten. We had

776
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: a knockdown, drag out fight trying to put this together today.

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00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: So hear me again, I'm not going to debate anyone

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00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: for a long time on this because you may be right.

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Speaker 1: I put in USC at number six. They've trended down

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00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: every year over the past three years. Now, they got

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00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: D'Anton Lynn the defensive coordinator. They brought him across town.

782
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: Last year, defensive staff upgraded. That's great. Still remains to

783
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: be seen how much of an impact that's going to have. Well,

784
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: then this past cycle, after the season, they went organizationally

785
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: and made a few hires, which again I applaud, but

786
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: they haven't proven anything yet. There is no tangible result

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00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: from those moves yet. So I'm working on the here

788
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: and now in the past four years and what they've been.

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00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: They've got that year where they finished like seventieth in recruiting,

790
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: that's baked in. That really skews the ratings. They recruit plenty,

791
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 1: well enough for it to be better, but they recruit

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Speaker 1: well enough to elevate them to I think the number

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00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: six spot here. Washington at seven's kind of sneaky. Recruitings

794
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: trending up for them. Kaylin de Borse showed the right

795
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: guy there can win. Jed Fish, I think will show

796
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: the right guy there can win. I think they'll see

797
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: a nice uptick in production this year, but this is

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00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: not predictive. This is where Washington is right now, so

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Speaker 1: their number seven. I'd put Illinois at number eight. They

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00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: just came off a ten and three season, but they're

801
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: putting themselves in position to take a shot every year.

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00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: What I mean by that is they're good enough now.

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00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: Their talent roster is good enough now, their organizational structure

804
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: is good enough, their staff is good enough to where

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00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: they give themselves at least a puncher's chance of popping

806
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: an eight or nine win season on you. Doesn't always

807
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: mean they will, but the program is in a steady

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00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: enough spot, which I think warrants consideration. In around the

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00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: number eight range. I'd put Minnesota at number nine. PJ

810
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: Flecks been solid there. They've averaged eight wins a year.

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Speaker 1: Over the last four years, they've turned into a very

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00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: reliable team. And then number ten was hard because I

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00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: could have put Indiana here, I put in Nebraska there.

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00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: I would not fight you if you wanted Indiana there.

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00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: Need to see a little more from them than just

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00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: one season. But the records improved for Nebraska every year.

817
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: Their recruiting numbers are gonna be better than a lot

818
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: of these teams. But what are you doing with it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just I know the comments are gonna be littered

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00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: with people arguing that number eleven should have been number seven,

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00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,479
Speaker 1: or number thirteen should have been ten. Fine, make your point,

822
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: make your logic based points and your counterpoints, but I

823
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: mean six through ten and the big ten is a

824
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: mess right now to try and figure out. Let's move

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00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: it along. We have You're not gonna believe this. You're

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00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: not gonna believe this, but we've got some feedback from Clemson. Now.

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Speaker 1: The first thing I promised a buddy of mine was

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Speaker 1: I was gonna try and pronounced the school correctly on

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Speaker 1: tonight's show. As you know, it is C L E

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Speaker 1: M S O N. Famously, there is no Z in Clemson,

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Speaker 1: but I pronounced the Z It's something I've wrestled with

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00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: since birth. Fingerno biding and mispronouncing Clemson are two things

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00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: that I've struggled with for a long time. These are

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00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: my battles. I don't want you feeling sorry for me.

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Speaker 1: I just want you to work with me. So I've

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Speaker 1: got the phonetics director Colin has provided them for me.

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Speaker 1: He even asked, do you need it in the prompter

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00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: and I said, no, Clemson Clemson c l E M

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Speaker 1: P s U N Clemson allegedly is how I'm supposed

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00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: to be pronouncing this, but it feels unnatural. It's like

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00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: trying to write left handed. Like what kind of freak

842
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: writes with their left hand? What kind of freak. I'm

843
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: not gonna call you guys freaks, but what kind of

844
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: person looks at c L E M s O N

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Speaker 1: and just kind of commonly says Clemson Clemson. I can't

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00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: do it. I can do it. I don't want to

847
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: say can't. I'm not like that guy in loss. Don't

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00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: tell me what I can't do. I don't want to

849
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 1: be like that. But it is tough. It is a struggle.

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Speaker 1: Colin goes without saying, I want none of this included

851
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: in the clip that you put on YouTube. But if

852
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: you're watching live right now, I'm sorry I had to

853
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: put you through that. So I got a ton of

854
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: pushback from my friends in Clemson the other day. I'm

855
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: just going to say the school quickly, so you can't

856
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: tell if I'm mispronouncing it. National Signing Day, the Tigers

857
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: there of dabos twenty signed the number twenty six class

858
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: in the country, right, And I pointed out on the

859
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: show that I like the class, okay, but I don't

860
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: think it's elite by any stretch. I think it falls

861
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: well short of the standard that Clemson has set for themselves.

862
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: I think they're off the pace a little bit, and

863
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: they have been for a couple of cycles now. Now,

864
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: just to be clear, so's to make sure I'm not

865
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: rewriting or whitewashing history, I have it on good authority.

866
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: Director Colin has a brief clip he wants to play because,

867
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: as always, I don't mind the criticism. I just want

868
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: to make sure we're criticizing what was actually said, Otherwise

869
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: it's a waste of time. So let's go back to

870
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: the day after National Signing Day. Director Colin, here's what

871
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: we actually said. This is three straight cycles Clemson's recruiting

872
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: is finished outside the top ten. This one finished outside

873
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: the top twenty five. It's not a fringe issue. They're

874
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: not close. Let me put it plainly, Clemson's football players

875
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: that they are accumulating on that roster are not going

876
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: to be good enough to meet the standard they've said

877
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: there unless something drastic changes, or unless their development laps

878
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: the rest of the sport, or the recruiting rankings were

879
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: just totally flawed. Unless something like that is a miss,

880
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: they're not going to be able to keep up this year.

881
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: This year's team will actually be their best shot over

882
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: the next several years. That's the way it looks to

883
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: me right now. So that, as you can see, is

884
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: what I said. All right. By the way, I've got

885
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: a lot of feedback on the show. You spend too

886
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: much time talking about people who are haters. You spend

887
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 1: too much time on negative comments. I'm not really sure

888
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: that's true. I just want to remind you we're not

889
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: taking this all that seriously. It's just having fun with

890
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: negative feedback. It's not the end of the world. Okay,

891
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: So we can turn the negative feedback into what I

892
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: think is some very interesting content. That's what we're doing here,

893
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: so the interest of that. I did not think much

894
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: of that segment when we did it, to be honest

895
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: with you, but apparently a lot of our Clemson fans did.

896
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: That's great. Clemson is like our number six biggest fan

897
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: base that views the show. So I am listening. I

898
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: promise you. I'm listening. I promise you. Despite the comments

899
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: I'm looking at on this piece of paper, I don't

900
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: hate Clemson. Quite the opposite, Quite the opposite. I don't

901
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: have a girlfriend that must have gone to South Carolina. Nope,

902
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: that wasn't one of her finalists. I do not have

903
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: anything against Dabosweney. He has never denied us a backstage pass,

904
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: whatever that is. You know what, it's free, free country.

905
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: You can come at whatever you want. I did enjoy

906
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: this one. Now, remember you just heard what I said.

907
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: There was nothing cut from that, and based on that,

908
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: I had someone come at me and say this this

909
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: segment made no sense. They were down seven points versus

910
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: Texas in the fourth quarter, and I'm like, I watched

911
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: the game, I remember it. I mean I also watched

912
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: him get drug at home against Louisville neither is relevant.

913
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 1: I don't care what I don't care if they beat Texas.

914
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the past. I'm talking about now

915
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: and in the future. And that's exactly what I said.

916
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: So I don't really care what they did last year.

917
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: They'll win the ACC again this year. A number of

918
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: you said that as if it took away from the

919
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: point I was making. I may agree with you. Did

920
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: you notice there at the end on the clip colin plate,

921
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: I made special mention of the fact that I think

922
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: this year is the last year they have to kind

923
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: of perform at a level that roughly would meet the

924
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: Clemson standard. After that, after twenty twenty five, I said,

925
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm worried that they're going to struggle to do that.

926
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: So there was a lot of rebuttal that I thought

927
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: was logical. Dozens and dozens of you came at me

928
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: and said the same thing, and you alleged that I

929
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: was misunderstanding what they'd just done over there. Yeah, they

930
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: signed the number twenty six class, but there was only

931
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: fifteen kids in it. It was a very small class, guys.

932
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: I knew that I probably should have specified that. I

933
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: knew that what I was looking at and what my

934
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 1: take on it had that baked in. I don't really

935
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: look at it as the twenty sixth ranked class. I

936
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: said it called their ranked twenty sixth, But you could

937
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: do you could do yourself a lot of favor. I

938
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: could have done myself a lot of favor by just

939
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: going by average play ranking. So the average player was

940
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: ranked ninety point four to eight. What does that mean

941
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: for those of you unfamiliar with how the rating system works? Well,

942
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: in terms of average player grade, they finished sixteenth. Okay,

943
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: so that's ten spots better. Having said that, I'm telling

944
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: you the class just isn't good enough. And this is

945
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: three years in a row they finished outside the top ten. Now,

946
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: to be fair to them, two of those classes were

947
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: graded number eleven in the country. But I'm looking at

948
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: the caliber of roster they have. It doesn't look like

949
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: Clemson over the past several years, the mid twenty teens,

950
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: late twenty teens Clemsons, which were super teams, doesn't look

951
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: anywhere close to that. I don't mean they're comparable. I

952
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: don't mean we're splitting hairs. I mean it's not close.

953
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: To me, it's not close. And so my concern, and

954
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: I stated it in the video is not that they're

955
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: going to fall off the face of the earth. Is

956
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: not that Tiger Stadium up there won't still be amazing

957
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: and they may not still contend for the ACC. What

958
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: I said it was, I'm concerned that after twenty twenty five,

959
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: the caliber of team they're gonna have there, the caliber

960
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: of roster they're gonna have there, is such that they

961
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: won't be able to meet their standard. The standard at

962
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: Clemsons compete for the national title?

963
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: Is it not?

964
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: If it's changed, let me know if collectively the fan

965
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: base has gotten together and said, we had our fun

966
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,479
Speaker 1: last decade. I last decade or so, we had our fun.

967
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: We want to just be a good, solid team in

968
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: the ACC and hopefully we'll have a couple of blemishes

969
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: at the end of the road. But maybe you know,

970
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: we'll come up on an SMU and who cares if

971
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: we lost to South Carolina at home, we'll stumble in

972
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: the conference title game, still win it, and that'll be good.

973
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: That's fulfilling. If that's the standard, that's the standard, But

974
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: I don't think it is. So. If you're gonna live

975
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: up to the standard that you set for yourself, you

976
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: need the kind of players, and you need the kind

977
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: of teams you had, and I don't think Clemson's gonna

978
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: have that kind of team over the next few years unless,

979
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: like I said, unless number one, those recruiting rankings have

980
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: missed badly, which I don't think they have. Number Two,

981
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: Clemson does one of the best jobs in America at

982
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: developing those players, which they could. I will not put

983
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: it past him. I think Dabo's made some incredible hires.

984
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: I think he's really retooled his organizational structure in an

985
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: effective way, So full credit there. So this may be

986
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: where they give themselves an edge. Number Three, they may

987
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: have much bigger transfer portal plans than I or anyone

988
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: else knows about. So there may be just be a

989
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: fundamental shift coming in the way they acquire talent. And

990
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: if that's the case, then that also doesn't render this mood,

991
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: but it very much gives me cause to hit the

992
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: pause button on it. In absence of one or more

993
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: of those elements. Yeah, I've got big concerns about him

994
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: not being able to meet that standard. I don't think

995
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: it's unfair. I don't hate Clemson. I think I also said,

996
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong about it. I actually want Clemson

997
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: to win. There said it, I want him to win.

998
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: And for those who are listening who know the show,

999
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: you already knew that was true. And for those who

1000
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: are calling us Clemson haters, nothing I could say would

1001
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: change your mind. Anyway, we got a big week coming up,

1002
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, in fact, a big Monday coming up, and

1003
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: that Monday will consist of you going back to work

1004
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: and me trying to soften the blow by releasing as

1005
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 1: much good content as we can. And part of that tomorrow,

1006
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: if you're listening on Sunday Night, will include the latest

1007
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: stop in the pay State Speaker series. So we had

1008
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: John Summer all on. Last week. We went down to Tulane.

1009
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: I went very discreetly Friday and sat down with Nebraska

1010
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: head coach Matt Ruhle, friend of the program, love Matt Rule,

1011
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: and he went for a little over an hour. We

1012
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: had to cut some of it down, so it's just

1013
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: under an hour. You know, he said his social Security

1014
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: number on air, things of this nature. They're recruiting strategy

1015
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: for next year, so we had to cut all that out.

1016
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 1: But what we were left with was fifty seven minutes

1017
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: of gold. So I'm going to drop that tomorrow on

1018
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: the channel, but in the meantime, just to give you

1019
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: a little idea, a little taste of what we've got

1020
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: coming tomorrow. Here he is talking about how difficult it

1021
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: is when you've got a room full of folks who

1022
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: have never been great collectively and trying to sell them

1023
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: on the idea that I know how to get you there,

1024
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: but we're not there yet. Roll at Colin. When you've

1025
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: got a room full of people who have won championships,

1026
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: have been part of championship teams, they know what it

1027
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: feels like. They know when it is how it's supposed

1028
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: to be, when it's not how it's supposed to be.

1029
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: The level of competition in practice, the intensity of practice

1030
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: they've been around it. When you've got players or coaches

1031
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: who haven't necessarily been there, and you're trying to explain

1032
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: to them it doesn't look the way it should yet,

1033
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: even though you feel like you're on the right track,

1034
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: I'll know when we get there, Like, what's that conversation?

1035
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 2: Like, it's hard, man, it's hard to take the practice thing.

1036
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: So I had a player come up to me at

1037
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 2: the end of this year, great young man on our team,

1038
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: and he's been there for a couple of years. He's like, coach,

1039
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 2: you know you got here. We started doing Matt drills

1040
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 2: and we started tackling in practice. We started doing all

1041
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: these things and we were all like, wow, this we

1042
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: never worked this hard. We're gonna win. He's like, but

1043
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: you know, we're five and seven and six and six.

1044
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 2: It's the same record. You know, this is right after

1045
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 2: we lost to Iowa. He goes it, this is the

1046
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 2: same We're getting the same result with a different thing.

1047
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 2: And I understand that to us, and I completely understand.

1048
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 2: I said, but the only chance we have to get

1049
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 2: to a CFP team is to do what CFP teams do.

1050
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 2: And what most people do is they start trying to

1051
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 2: do it and they look around. They're like, hey, it's

1052
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 2: not really working, is it. It's not really working, and

1053
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 2: they quit and they give up on their dream. The

1054
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: dream never gives up on you. I don't care if

1055
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,959
Speaker 2: you're an actor, I don't care if you're in sports media,

1056
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: I don't care if you're a football coach, football player.

1057
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: The dream never gives up on you.

1058
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: But most people give up on their dreams. And to me,

1059
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 2: it's just like when you get to that moment where

1060
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 2: it feels like, hey, is this working or not? Like

1061
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: just after that Iowa game and then my decoordinator left

1062
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 2: and my d line coach left and a bunch of

1063
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 2: guys went in to the portal and feels like, oh no,

1064
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 2: is this about to fall down? You do what theo

1065
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: Epstein's said when he went to Chicago. You doubled down.

1066
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 2: You go all in, You take all your chips and

1067
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: put them in the middle of table, and you say, no, no,

1068
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 2: forget this. I'm I'm not a sheep. I'm not going

1069
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 2: out like this. And you've got to get you can't

1070
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: make the players do that.

1071
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: You know. I can't.

1072
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 2: I can't. I have no problem explaining why to our players,

1073
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 2: but I can't justify. I can't be like no, just

1074
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 2: drust to me, like they've got to buy into it.

1075
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 2: And so nothing comes easy because you know what, Ohio

1076
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: State is working hard. So for us to be working

1077
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 2: as hard as Ohio State and they are already three

1078
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: levels ahead of us, we're gonna be chasing them for

1079
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 2: a long time. We've got to be willing to do

1080
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 2: things that maybe they aren't.

1081
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 1: And I say that with respect to them.

1082
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 2: I know Ryan's gonna do everything, but like you've got

1083
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 2: to do things that are so uncomfortable to just have

1084
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 2: a chance. And when you have your chance, you can't

1085
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 2: you can't blow it.

1086
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: It's really good. It's a solid hour of that. Matt

1087
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: Rule was really good with us. They're watching us in Henderson, Nevada,

1088
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: Fort Pierce, Florida, and Hohenwall, Tennessee. So yeah, we'll drop

1089
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: that tomorrow. The way I encourage you to digest that

1090
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: is on your own time while you're working out. It's

1091
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: perfect for when you know you've got a longer car ride.

1092
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: Just let that thing play if you're looking to kill

1093
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 1: time at ten am to get you to your lunch break.

1094
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: These Speaker series hits, they're gonna be forty five minutes

1095
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: to an hour, really good, really conversational. Those coaches always

1096
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: give us more than they've shared publicly, and we're not

1097
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: going to burn them on it. And we got several

1098
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: more stops coming up this spring. But it's gonna be

1099
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: a really good one, So we'll drop that one tomorrow. Okay,

1100
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: moving on, we had a question about brother Hugh Freees

1101
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: down at Auburn Hunter hit us and said, will Jackson

1102
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: Arnold be Auburn's version of Oregon's bow Knicks. Ironically, bow

1103
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: Knicks originally committed to and played for Auburn. So it's

1104
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: a small world in college football. You know, one of

1105
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: the permanent headlines in this sport is Auburn University and

1106
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: total wildcard team this upcoming year? What year? Every year?

1107
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: There's never consistency. It's always in a massive state of flux.

1108
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: It seems like in my lifetime anything could happen. They

1109
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: could go four and eight, they can win the national title,

1110
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: and neither headline historically has been all that crazy. So

1111
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: the question there is about the transfer quarterback. So if

1112
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: you've been checked out, he'd been living in a cave.

1113
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: Remember Jackson Arnold, former Elite eleven MVP, goes to Oklahoma

1114
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: gonna be the savior of the program and it does

1115
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: not work out and he gets benched. While we were

1116
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: there for the Tennessee game, he got benched and it

1117
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: was just a lost season for Oklahoma. Well, he has

1118
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: transferred to Auburn and he presumably will be their starting

1119
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: quarterback this year. So he had a ton of turnover

1120
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: issues last year. Auburn had a ton of turnover issues

1121
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: last year as they taught me in school, a double

1122
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: negative leads to a positive. So I'm sure it'll just

1123
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: clean itself up magically. But Hunter's asking is he gonna

1124
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: be like what bo Nicks was when he went to Oregon. Well,

1125
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: my question there would be, is Auburn gonna be Oregon?

1126
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: Is Auburn going to provide the same environment, You're gonna

1127
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: have the same supporting cast, or you're gonna have the

1128
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: same quality of coaching staff. Ama always told me, you know,

1129
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: a five star seed is worthless if you planted in

1130
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: crappy top soil. Me moan got a little colorful, you know,

1131
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: when she was talking about talent acquisition, she did not

1132
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: play around. The pressure is gonna be there. It always

1133
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: is in major college football. But I do want to

1134
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: remind you last year wasn't crazy like last year. What

1135
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: did They missed the bowl game with five and seven?

1136
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: So a bunch of turnovers like it was ugly, it

1137
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: was inconsistent. They played a bunch of young guys. But

1138
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: the thing is, if you were watching this show last spring,

1139
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: we went down to Auburn, I knocked on Freeze's door,

1140
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: we went in there, I had him on the show,

1141
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: and I just flat out asked him about what the

1142
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: upcoming season was gonna be like, because I had been

1143
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: in the building that day and I had been talking

1144
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: to the coaches, and everybody I pointed to was a

1145
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,439
Speaker 1: true freshman. They were all really young, which begged the question, wait,

1146
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: are you gonna play all these young guys? And if so,

1147
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: how's the season about to go? So we got a

1148
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: little bit of sound from last year. So think about this,

1149
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: cause Colin's gonna play the sound. But you already know

1150
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: how the season turned out. But think about a five

1151
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: and seven season within the context of this quote, which

1152
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: came five months before the season happened. So I was

1153
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: walking down the hallway. You guys were walking into a

1154
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: team meeting, and I'm asking, folks, Hey, who's that, Who's that?

1155
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: Who's that? And every one of them I keep pointing

1156
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: out from an impressive, like physical standpoint. I keep hearing

1157
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: as freshman h seventeen, he's about to be eighteen. How

1158
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: many of these guys, as much as you can say

1159
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: in spring, are going to play meeting for football for

1160
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: you this year more than I desire. But they're gonna

1161
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: have to.

1162
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 3: And I do think they're really talented kids. But you know,

1163
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 3: are they ready to step into the sec and play.

1164
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 3: Maybe not, but they're gonna have to and we'll see

1165
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 3: how they do.

1166
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was exactly what you would expect, wildly inconsistent,

1167
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: and so they went backwards record wise from the first year.

1168
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: They were I think seven and six their first year,

1169
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: and now they just went five and seven. I think

1170
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: that's right. Are set? Yeah, seven and six, five and

1171
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: seven anyway, nothing to write home about. So I said

1172
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: last year, and I cautioned consistently that I didn't think

1173
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: they were going to be very good, and it proved

1174
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: to be true. But I didn't think a whole lot

1175
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: of pressure should have been on Freeze last year. I

1176
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: went't overly critical of Hugh Freeze last year. Well, here's

1177
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: the thing about year three. The pressure is fair in

1178
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: year three because in today's college football, with all the

1179
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: roster reconstruction mechanisms at your disposal and how well resourced

1180
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: Auburn University is, you have no excuse to suck in

1181
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: year three. Hugh Freeze knows that everyone at Auburn knows

1182
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: that they've got capable people in that building who have

1183
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: understood that from bell one when they walked in, they

1184
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: knew they had a three year rebuild on their hand.

1185
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: So it's not like we're banging on the door demanding

1186
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: for them to be in Atlanta when the dust clears

1187
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: and December. But they better be a lot better than

1188
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: they've been the last couple of years. And it is

1189
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: still unknown because you really don't know what you have

1190
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: at quarterback. They don't either. They know better than I do,

1191
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: but they don't either. But unlike last year when I

1192
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: thought it would have been very unfair to be heaping

1193
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: expectation on him, Look, this is big boy football, this

1194
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: is the SEC. It's Auburn. So you're up there watching

1195
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: Alabama and Kaylin de Boor, I mean, he takes the

1196
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: rein from Saban and their bad year was a nine

1197
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: win season. Your other rival at Georgia is right there

1198
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: in the playoff every year, compete for the national championship

1199
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: every year and LSU is relatively speaking, on much better

1200
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: footing than you. You don't take a back seat to them.

1201
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,439
Speaker 1: Auburn fans don't look at those programs and say, yeah,

1202
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: we're just a little brother over here. They don't think

1203
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: that way. That's not the way the old Auburn family

1204
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: down there thinks, so they gave you one year, It's fine,

1205
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: We're post Harson. We got a ground up rebuild on

1206
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: our hands. Year two, most of them were still understanding that, Yeah,

1207
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: we got a bunch of young kids. The recruiting classes

1208
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: have been good, and they have, but it was still

1209
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: going to be very, very touch and go last year,

1210
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: and it was, and it was bad. Year three, it

1211
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: better happened. It better happened. You better see significant improvement.

1212
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: And as it usually does in the sport, it all

1213
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: boils down to the quarterback position. And I have got

1214
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: no earthly idea what to expect from Jackson Arnold at Auburn.

1215
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: Luckily it's only February, so I don't need to have

1216
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: an opinion on it, but to say, to say, I

1217
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: expect him to be at Auburn what bo Nix was

1218
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: at Oregon. No, I don't expect that. If you get that,

1219
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: I'll just be pleasantly surprised for you get you give

1220
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: me seventy percent of that and I'd be happy. Quick

1221
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: Trip several of them in and around the Auburn area.

1222
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: Some other unmentionable organizations have recently built in Lee County,

1223
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: but Quick Trip's the only one you need to be

1224
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: stopping at, and we are living it. We don't just

1225
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: say it, we live it. I had to drive. Oh actually,

1226
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: I haven't told this story, have I? Okay, So we

1227
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: had the broyls Award finalist ceremony in Hot Springs, Arkansas

1228
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: this past weekend. Now you may think to yourself, oh, man,

1229
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: last place I want to be spending Valentine's is in Arkansas. Well,

1230
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: first off, stop hating on Arkansas. And secondly, you really

1231
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: need to check out Oaklawn Hotel and casino and resort

1232
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: there in Hot Springs, Arkansas. They haven't paid me for

1233
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: this testimonial. I'm just telling you that place is legit.

1234
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: And they put us up in one of the junior

1235
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: suites and you open your window in the morning and

1236
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: it's a massive horse racing track and they're they're running

1237
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: around there. I don't know the horsing nomenclature. I'm not management,

1238
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: so I don't traffic in that world. But it was

1239
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: an incredible spectacle to watch. Anyway, we drove over there

1240
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: and I thought we were going to be flying back.

1241
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: Delta had other plans. So your boy goes to the

1242
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: rental car counter. You'll never guess what they had left.

1243
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: This is, I kid you, not a crisis for me.

1244
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: I am not close to the middle point of my life, hopefully,

1245
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: but I have what most people would define as a

1246
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: real life crisis underway. I rented a car to go

1247
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: to the National Championship game. They stuck me in a

1248
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: Chrysler PACIFICA minivan. I rented one to go to family reunion.

1249
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: Same van, same company, same exact van, not the same

1250
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: making model, the same Chrysler Pacifica that I dropped off,

1251
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: never to be seen again. I see it like a

1252
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: week later. So there I am in Little Rock International

1253
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: Airport ready to fly back. Oh we got a delay.

1254
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: I'm running the numbers on my watch that I don't

1255
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: have on my wrist, and I figured, come on, we'll

1256
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: just drive back. So we get our bags already, check them,

1257
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: get them back, go up to the counter. Mind you,

1258
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: I've already confirmed an intermediate SUV on the eye. Josh

1259
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: and I get to the counter and, as is the

1260
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: case in twenty twenty five, they tell you, yeah, it

1261
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter what the Internet tells you.

1262
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 3: We have.

1263
01:05:55,960 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: What we actually have is a Chrysler PACIFICA Mini and

1264
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: so I many vanded all the way back to Nashville. Again,

1265
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: that's the sad part of the story. The happy part

1266
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: is on the way too, and on the way from

1267
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: we made little pit stops in Dixon, Tennessee. There you go.

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Speaker 1: I have now taken to showing you the skylines of

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Speaker 1: these great American cities. There's the skyline of Dixon, Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: and then Colin, I think we also got the skyline

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Speaker 1: of Little Rock. Yeah, look at that Little Rock skyline

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Speaker 1: is shining on Valentine's Day. If you're listening on a podcast,

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Speaker 1: it's just a quick trip parking lot, because what more

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Speaker 1: do you need to see? What more validation could a

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Speaker 1: city possibly have about its skyline than having the QT

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Speaker 1: logo there. So we appreciate quick trip fueling us as always,

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01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: more so than I ever thought we were going to

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Speaker 1: have to be fueled. This weekend. I still got in

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Speaker 1: the Pacifica. It's parked in the garage downtown Nashville right now.

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Speaker 1: One day, just a rave for is it too much

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01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: to ask a Jeep Compass Chrysler Pacifica three times in

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Speaker 1: a row? Okay, moving on very important question here, one

1283
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: of the most important questions of our time Chris from Chicago.

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01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: You've been almost everywhere. What are the top five places

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Speaker 1: still on your bucket list? Yeah, it is a ten

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01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: way tie here. So Virginia Tech night game. I haven't

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01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: been to a game at Virginia Tech period, but I

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01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: would prefer for it to be at night. We've been

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Speaker 1: up there for the Speaker series. We went up there

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Speaker 1: last spring, but they weren't playing a game because it

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Speaker 1: was spring, So Virginia Tech. I was hopeful the Clemson

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01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 1: game would be more attractive than it was last year,

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01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: but it ended up not being, so we've still got

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01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: that one. Still have not been to a USC game now.

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01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: I don't think the USC. I don't think La Memorial

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01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: Coliseum is on as many bucket lists. But despite what

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01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: the peristyle message board tells you, I love the idea

1298
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: the concept of USC being great when I was growing up.

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01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: They were so when I was growing up and I

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01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: was watching footage of the coliseum, which is not that

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01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: long ago, it was mostly packed when Notre Dame was

1302
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: in there, or when they'd have a big conference game.

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01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: It was packed. That's how I viewed the Colisseum, not

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01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of empty seats and not an apathetic

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01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,719
Speaker 1: fan base. No, I want the Coliseum. I want USC

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01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: at its best. Drive by it a lot when we're

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01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: in LA. Never been in it. Nebraska, we have not

1308
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: been to a game there. I don't know how, but

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01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: we have not been to a game at Nebraska yet,

1310
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: which is egregious. If you think about what the stated

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01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: mission of our fall tours is, then that's egregious. West

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01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 1: Virginia haven't been to Morgantown period. Again, this is not

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01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 1: something I'm proud to tell you, especially for someone who

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01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: has his choice of where he goes every Saturday. I'm

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01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: not proud of it. We may go up there as

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01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,679
Speaker 1: soon as this spring. We've talked to West Virginia about

1317
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 1: going to sit down with rich Rod on the Speaker series.

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Speaker 1: But I want to go to a game there. Iowa,

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01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 1: we have not been to a game at Iowa. I've

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01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 1: not been on campus at Iowa. And it's not just

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01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 1: because of the allegiance to Iowa State, which is there.

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01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: I don't deny that, but I've not been to a

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Speaker 1: game at Iowa and Kennick Stadium. Everybody in the Big

1324
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: Ten talks about how they hate to play there. I

1325
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: remember last year I'm not going to tell you the team,

1326
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: but one of the things that people watch when the

1327
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: Big Ten releases its schedule is do we have to

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Speaker 1: go to Iowa? Because everyone hates playing at Iowa because

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01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: it's tough. And number two, they want to make sure

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01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 1: it's not a night game. You think you hate big

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01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: noon kickoff, and everyone does when they've got to play

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01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: the home game. But everyone's got their fingers crossed that

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01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,759
Speaker 1: when they play at Iowa, that's the big noon kickoff

1334
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: so they can be done before the sun goes down,

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01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: because that place is very legit. But I don't know

1336
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: firstthand because I hadn't been there Brigham Young every time

1337
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,919
Speaker 1: someone I know goes there and they send me pictures

1338
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,839
Speaker 1: from I think it's Lavelle Edward Stadium. See the mountains

1339
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: in the background in Provo. Awesome. When I went to

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01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: Utah last year two years ago, we flew right over Provo.

1341
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: On our approach, I could see the stadium there. That's

1342
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: as close as I've gotten so far. So we're looking

1343
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: to make that happen. Wisconsin almost made it there last year.

1344
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: We thought we were going to go to the Bama game,

1345
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 1: but we didn't. We ended up going to I think

1346
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: LSU South Carolina, which was a very smart move as

1347
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 1: it turned out, because one game was a splattering, the

1348
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: other game came down to the fourth quarter. We chose

1349
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 1: correctly that day and also got to meet the mayor

1350
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 1: on that trip. As I recall, also went over to

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01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: the facial got the full hydro facial thanks thanks to

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01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: Diana and company there in Columbia. So still have been

1353
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 1: to Wisconsin, still have not been to Colorado. We've got

1354
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 1: to fix that. Any kind of the mountainous areas, especially

1355
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: earlier in the season. Want to do that. And then

1356
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. I went to Lubbock as a child on

1357
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: a mission trip, youth mission trip, but I've never been

1358
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,560
Speaker 1: to Lubbock for sporting related activities, never been there for

1359
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: a game, never been there to sit down with Joey maguire.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we do all of it this year. In Oklahoma State,

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01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: I've been to Stillwater, but I've only been there storm chasing.

1362
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: I've been to Stillwater, Oklahoma multiple times, and every single

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01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 1: time it had to do with tornadoes and it never

1364
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: had to do with football. Again, not a statement I'm

1365
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 1: proud of, and we're looking to rectify that. So you

1366
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: asked for five, I gave you ten of them that

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01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 1: I hadn't been to yet. And that's not even including

1368
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,719
Speaker 1: Army because I know certain people in my social circle

1369
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: will demonize me if I don't mention Army in Mechi Stadium.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I've got several. Still. That's why we can't

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Speaker 1: tap out anytime soon, because we've still got a long

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Speaker 1: way to go on our bucket list. There. You know,

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Speaker 1: you can bet on all those teams on FanDuel as

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Speaker 1: we speak. We've got all kinds of conference championship. I

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Speaker 1: But I know most of you, most of you are

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Speaker 1: saying I cannot see past the NCAA tournament in basketball,

1378
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: I can't see past conference tournaments. Got to get through those.

1379
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Speaker 1: And then you start mapping out your strategy for the fall,

1380
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Speaker 1: and I hear you, and I bring you good news.

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Speaker 1: the SEC tournament happens like two blocks away at bridge

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Speaker 1: Stone Arena, so we do go over there, won't be

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Speaker 1: New York. All right, last thing I wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: to you about. On the show tonight, is uh Notre Dame?

1406
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: Chris hit us up from Antioch, Illinois. He said, was

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01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: this the best season we'll see from Notre Dame under

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01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,679
Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman. It's hard to see them getting the path

1409
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 1: to another title game anytime soon. I disagree with this,

1410
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: but I know where you're coming from, so I don't

1411
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 1: think the logic holds anymore. But I had this logic

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01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 1: for a long time. I gotta be honest with you.

1413
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: The mold kind of got broken this past year. If

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01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:59,640
Speaker 1: you if you think about how historic what we saw was,

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01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 1: especially for Notre Dame, like it's next level. Notre Dame

1416
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,560
Speaker 1: broke the mold last year, and you think what the

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01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 1: mold of Notre Dame, No, the mold of college football broke.

1418
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: It felt like the mold of college football had set

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01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 1: itself up in such a way that Notre Dame had

1420
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 1: been left in the dust. Notre Dame's opportunity to compete

1421
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 1: for a national championship was in the past. That's how

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01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 1: a lot of folks felt. That's how I felt. When

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01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: you looked at talent acquisition, when you looked at where

1424
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: the best players were going when you looked at the

1425
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: times they did make the playoff and ran into an

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01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: Alabama a couple of times, or Clemson, and how far

1427
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 1: away they still were relatively speaking, you thought to yourself,

1428
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 1: the best they can ever hope to do is get

1429
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: in the mix. From this point forward, they're never gonna

1430
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 1: win one. And I think things have so rapidly changed

1431
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: in college football, and the rosters have sort of been

1432
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: flattened out, especially the depth pieces of those elite SEC

1433
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 1: rosters and Big ten rosters. Not to mention Notre Dame

1434
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 1: recruiting at a top ten level, that I don't think

1435
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: they're done competing for a national championship. I wouldn't go

1436
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: as far as to even say this past year's team

1437
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: is definitively the best team Marcus Freeman will have. I

1438
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 1: think you'll have more talented teams coming up. Now here's

1439
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: the follow up to that. Having the talent's one thing.

1440
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 1: He'll struggle to ever have the dynamic that this past

1441
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: year's team had. I don't care how many five stars

1442
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 1: they bring there. This past year's group was special. I

1443
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: told you that after the National Championship game that I've

1444
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: been around college football teams a long time, there was

1445
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: never a team I felt was more like together and

1446
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 1: embodied what a team is at its very best more

1447
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 1: than Notre Dame. I was at the Broyls Award this

1448
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 1: past weekend and Al Golden won the award for the

1449
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: best assistant coach in the country, and he's talking about

1450
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: his long career. You look at his Wikipedia page and

1451
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 1: it is lengthy, and he said, the culmination of my

1452
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: entire career was being able to be a part of

1453
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 1: that the last couple of years and being able to

1454
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 1: just kind of kind of be on that ride. Unbelievable.

1455
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:12,600
Speaker 1: So getting the talent's one thing. They got to make

1456
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: sure they keep that culture in place as well. But

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01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:18,520
Speaker 1: they're role in elite staffs out there. They are acquiring

1458
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: talent at a top ten level, like they're going toe

1459
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: to toe in recruiting with the big boys. Don't overlook

1460
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 1: that Marcus Freeman has a rock solid organizational structure. They're

1461
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: also very forward thinking with the way they hire and

1462
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 1: the roles that they hire guys into. And now everyone

1463
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 1: knows what's possible there. If you had any holdouts that

1464
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 1: thought to themselves, yeah, this guy's saying the right things,

1465
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: but we're still Notre name, and it's still modern day

1466
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 1: college football, like we can't do what we did in

1467
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 1: the movies we watched growing up. Yeah, you can maybe

1468
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 1: that and then some. So no, I don't agree with

1469
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: the premise of the question, but I used to think

1470
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 1: that way up until a few years ago, Up until

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Speaker 1: this year, maybe I would have told you Notre Dame

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01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: they're gonna be good. I doubt they're gonna compete for

1473
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 1: a national title. I flat out think Notre Dame can

1474
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: compete for and win a national championship under Marcus Freeman.

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01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: So I don't think we've seen him at their back yet.

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