WEBVTT - Mick Shots: All Kinds Of Football 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:05.200 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:06.800 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:10.000 Cowboys. 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:16.880 This is mick Shot streaming live on dallascowboys dot Com 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:21.360 and the official Dallas Cowboys have now Here are Bill Jones, 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:26.520 Savannah Humoler, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola. 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.920 Mickey, put your headset on. It's time for another edition 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:37.559 of mix Shots inside the SWBC podcast studio Bill Jones 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:40.920 along with Savannah Humoler because we are the ones with 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:45.559 our headsets on and prepared for action. Meanwhile, Mickey and 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:50.720 the Pro Bowler Everson Walls now have their headsets on 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:51.839 ready to go. 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:54.160 Hey watched the Pro Bowl yesterday, didn't you? 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:56.600 I must admit I did not. 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.440 You don't have to act as if you miss You 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:01.400 didn't miss a damn. 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:04.240 And then I watched the highlights, and I was just telling. 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:05.959 You actually heard good reviews about it. 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:08.360 I just told Savannah I thought I was what I 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:10.920 was back in college watching innermural football. 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.800 Yeah, it's I only watched five minutes of it. 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:15.479 I watched about five seconds. 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:20.800 Okay, So he's getting ready to dog us out, okay. 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.200 And I saw I saw d Ware the Hall of 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:27.320 Famer d wear on a blocking sled and two big ol' 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:30.080 offensive linemen were blocking em and they won. The NFC 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.600 didn't won the game too, I guess sixty four to fifty. Now. 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:37.040 I did watch the skills competition on Thursdasday. 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:41.200 Yeah, how was that? Okay, that was entertaining Micah as 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.000 a future as a quarterback. 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:44.080 Throwing the football? 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:46.000 U huh? Yeah? 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:46.560 Did he win? 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:48.320 I would like to see him or I just saw 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.440 one highlight? I don't I don't know the standout. 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:55.920 Well, Micah I had better accuracy than Jalen Hurts, didn't he? 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:58.000 Yeah, Jalen wasn't real good. 0:01:58.080 --> 0:01:58.760 That's interesting. 0:01:58.960 --> 0:01:59.400 Uh huh. 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:06.480 Actually Holmes was pretty good. Oh, I mean they field, 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.960 that's how good he is. He said, I don't need 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:11.800 to worry about it. 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:13.880 I can go to the Bowl and super Bow. 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:18.440 Mayfield c D was good at the dodgeball. 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.280 Okay played dodgeball? 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:22.280 Oh yeah? 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:24.280 Ever since, like what is this? 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:26.040 That's crazy? 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.400 This may come as a shock, but Tyler Smith was 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:32.680 good in Tug of War. I missed the tuggling dog, so. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.720 I guess though, I mean, I'm sure the other guys. 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:41.200 They had four offensive linemen and they the NFC won 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:42.040 both matches. 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.360 I did see I guess right after the sled drill. 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.120 Actually it was like an obstacle course. It was like 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:52.360 the old Superstars competition in Savannah. You have no idea 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.160 about because it happened in the seventies. 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.360 Ever since. Were you ever in the Superstars competition? 0:02:58.320 --> 0:02:59.239 What were you? 0:02:59.320 --> 0:02:59.600 Really? 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:00.680 Describe it? 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:01.600 Describe it. 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:02.880 We went to Hawaii. 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.240 It was after the Pro Bowl, and we stayed out 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:09.040 there another week and uh, you know, just did the stuff. 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:09.920 We had to roll. 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.280 We had to play volleyball, white water volleyball, and then. 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.919 An obstacle course where you climb a rope and then. 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:18.280 I don't recall that one. 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.880 I don't know what. I remember the swimming party and 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.560 I've never seen more guys ready to drown and that. 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.440 Was that was one of them. I was like, it 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:29.919 was like halfway out of the water. It was. 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:36.920 No, it was like a decathlon, but with players Superstars 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.040 different it was but they but they. 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:41.320 Might I keep it forgetting she's so young. 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:47.400 Yeah, the Superstars on ABC, and it had it was 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:52.320 like every Saturday afternoon, the Superstars competition. And it wasn't 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:56.200 just football players, it was athletes from different sports. And 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.880 they'd compete against each other on in like an obstacle course, 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:00.040 but they probably. 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:01.760 Had a shine. It was a pro bowl. 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.840 Addition, Yeah, we didn't have other guys from other sports, 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.520 so we were playing, like I said, water volleyball. 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:11.720 Uh we did. It was somebody put it on. 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:12.960 Like one time obstacle. 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:13.840 I don't recall them. 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:18.080 I don't recall the different shade call us racing like 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:19.400 for your dashes. 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:20.680 I don't think we did anything. 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:22.400 Which, by the way, what happened one time? 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:26.239 What happened one time? We got there and the waves 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:27.360 were twenty five feet hot? 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:28.080 Oh wow? 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:29.920 Yeah, and we we didn't do jack. 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.680 That surfing competition that would have been no, that would 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:33.400 not be good. 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:36.200 Bar fight that was not a bigger There was a 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:37.800 lot of black guys out there, so we're not going 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:39.919 to be out there in the damn ocean trying to 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:44.520 swim around in twenty five foot waves. Memory bar fight competition, 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:46.000 no bar fight competition. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:47.080 White. 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.080 I was gonna say, nothing sanctioned. 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:53.800 We probably had some things extra correct activities, but nothing sanctioned. 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:57.240 Maybe that's why I was so ready for this. One 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:59.720 night I woke up and I had dreamed I was 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.080 fucking off the field with Everson Walls, and he had 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:06.240 just won a sprint competition. 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:12.039 You know, but you were dream I never war sprint competitions. 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:16.240 But then maybe on Friday, I dreamed that I was 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:18.800 late for the show and Bill would not start the 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:20.279 show until I got here. 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.120 You know what that is a that is a common 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:29.760 nightmare for a sportscaster. Yeah, exactly, that you're racing and 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:33.360 everything gets in your way and you haven't written anything, 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:35.560 and all of a sudden you look up it's ten 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:37.000 twenty and you're racing. 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:39.760 You can't get there, and then therese it's like. 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.560 You're at home and you're you're way past That's because 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:44.440 mine was always about missing a test. 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:46.799 Oh that was me, yeah all the time. 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:47.120 Yeah. 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:49.599 It was like, oh I got a final and I 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:51.679 didn't go to this class all year long. 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.800 Oh I it was really Well, I've had dreams of 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:59.120 missing uh my, you analysis, yeah, because that's kind of crazy. 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.039 Well that's fake if that's failed. 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:04.200 Yeah, I've had dreams of missing that for a long time. 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:05.680 I really had dreams of missing that. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.560 I'll get up and late at night and be like, okay, well. 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:11.040 I wake up. 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.200 Mine's just generic it's like if I am going to 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:17.039 miss a flight. That's what I get stressed about, Like 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:19.000 I have to be up at a certain hour, and 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:20.280 I'm up hours and hours. 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:21.800 And you just can't get packed. 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:26.040 No, no, and you're back. Did I forget anything out 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:26.640 the door? 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:27.359 You know? 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.800 Okay, Well there's that, and now let's move on to 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.200 is the new defensive coordinator in the building? 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.320 Possibly might be in the building. 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.120 So you saw Bill Belichick in the building. 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.560 I did not see Bill Belichick in the building. But 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.520 Jerry Jones said that the interviews would start at nine 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:46.640 o'clock this morning. 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:48.320 Who do we have on tech? 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:52.160 That was that was before we all we all learned 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.320 that Joe Witt Junior is going with Dan Quinn. 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.599 I don't think we needed to learn Washington. That was 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:03.720 no relevation that was going to happen, because look at 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:08.200 it this way. Even if they were gonna interview him 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:11.120 here for the job, and now you guys all tell 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:14.120 me common sense. Are you going to take the job 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.400 with the head guy that's got one year left on 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:18.240 his contract or are you gonna go with the guy 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:22.000 that's got five years left on his contract. I think 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.600 it was probably a no brainer. On his part, even 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:28.400 though he had worked all those years for Mike, he 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:32.440 did work in that same capacity with Dan in Atlanta 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.640 for what a year or two maybe, So I just 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:41.440 assumed that was done, Dee. Now the question is for him, 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:45.040 is dan Quinn running the defense and is he going 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:50.040 to be the Brian Schottenheimer of the defense or is 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:54.160 he going to get to do it, because for his sake, 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:58.920 I'm hoping he gets the opportunity to do it to 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:02.760 further his career and not have everybody say, well, yeah, 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:07.720 he's the defensive coordinator, but dan Quinn's running it. Which, 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.680 by the way, were you the one that that that 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.760 xed it out? However you're supposed to say it now? 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:19.600 Dan Quinn's arrival in Washington day for work, Yeah, and 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.560 they had a reception. I mean everybody stood there online 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:24.640 and clapping as he walked in the building. 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:28.400 Adam Peters, the GM was in that group, and so 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:32.080 they arranged it when when dan Quinn, with his baseball 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:36.079 cap turned around backwards, walked in to the office's backpack 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.880 on yeah, they did know the front office personnel. 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:41.360 Did you think he knew that? 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:42.200 No? I don't think so. 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.520 I was a surprise and so they all gave him 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:46.760 a standing ovation. 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:47.440 He walked in. 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.920 So when he went and said, hug the guy, the 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:55.480 tall guy, Dug that wasn't Doug Wille. I don't, but 0:08:55.480 --> 0:09:00.440 there was some guy named Doug he recognized, and I know, 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:01.000 but it didn't. 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:02.960 I did look at the video and it didn't look 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:03.360 like him. 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:08.400 But anyway, yeah, he was okay, guys, hey, let's go 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:08.840 to work. 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:15.160 And then Cliff Kingsburg for the offensive coordinator. Uh, a 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:16.200 little move there too. 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.760 And Bill had a good tie in there last night. 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:23.200 The Cardinals head coach. He's going to Washington. 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:26.280 He turned out the off he turned down the Raiders 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:27.880 job after he accepted it. 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.960 Wow, so it was Thursday. It all came down. That 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:32.720 was third you know. 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:40.440 Okay, So Quinn got the Washington job on Wednesday, uh, 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:46.080 service day or it was before the Kingsbury thing, right, yeah, okay, 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:49.640 So then Kingsbury on Thursday night he was reports came 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:54.240 out that okay, he is going to the Vegas. He's 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:57.439 agreed to a deal with Vegas. Well, then be the 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.960 going to be the OC Las Vegas with Antonio Pierce 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:07.440 the Okay. Then all of a sudden on Friday, things 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:11.120 fell through at the last minute, and then by Sunday, 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.079 Cliff Kingsbury is going to be the offensive coordinator for. 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:15.880 Dan Quinn's Washington commanders. 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.480 And so you know there were conversations, and you know, 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:22.280 when when dan Quinn goes to Washington and interviews for 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.760 the job, he had telling them, yes, what his plan is, 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:29.520 and so you know he's had conversations with Kingsbury before. Well, 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:35.560 Kingsbury all right, Quinn gets the Washington job, and then okay, 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.080 but Kingsbury's also talking to Las Vegas. He had also 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:43.840 talked to Chicago, and so push comes to shove there. Okay, 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.840 Quinn gets hired, and then okay, remember I told you 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:48.280 Kingsbury's a guy I want. 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:52.079 He's about to go sign with Vegas, so they up 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:52.920 the anne or so. 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:54.960 You don't think there was any falling out between he 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:56.200 and Piers's group. 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.960 I don't think it was just the way it came out, 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:04.520 was the way they couched it was Kingsbury wanted a 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:06.560 three year contract, they're only offered a two year. 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:08.200 True. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.400 But then the other part of it is who's got 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:12.680 the second pick in the draft. 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.520 This is this is why I made it my lead 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:19.960 story last night on my sportscast. Is that came down 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:24.560 about eight o'clock last night, and the first thing I 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:29.199 thought of was, Okay, this is the lead material because 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:34.199 this affects the Cowboys. Washington's got the second pick. Kingsbury 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:38.560 was on the staff at USC last year. Chicago did 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.040 not hire Kingsbury as their offensive. 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.880 Coordinator, which would have been a no brainer with. 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:48.640 Caleb Williams, the USC quarterback, being the number one pick 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:54.320 in the draft. Yeah, they did not hire Kingsbury. Okay, 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:57.920 Chicago's got a decision to make whether they keep justin 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:03.640 fields or pedal that pick and take Caleb Williams. I'm 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.000 thinking Chicago. I'm just speculating here that Chicago has decided 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:11.600 they're keeping Fields, They're going to trade out Washington. They're 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.880 hiring Kingsbury, who was with Caleb Williams for a year. 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.160 They trade up to number one, Chicago trades down to two, 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.920 and then Chicago can trade again, and so they'll collect 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:22.880 a whole bunch of draft picks this way. 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:27.360 And Washington takes Caleb Williams, right. 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.640 And Caleb Williams is from Washington, that's his hometown. I mean, 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:31.600 it just makes all the. 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.719 Sense it's very fitting absolutely, so. 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.360 Yes, yeah, I did not know that that didn't either. 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:39.840 Yeah, I thought he was a Cali boy. 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:46.000 He'd he's from DC. Yeah so so yeah. So So 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.800 the the other part of it, and I wrote about 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:52.400 it on Friday, is that now the Cowboys got to 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:58.199 play four games against two coaches that know them intimately, 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:04.640 right Dan Quinn now with Wit and Kellen Moore and 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:10.480 who knows Dak Prescott better than those three guys. So 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.640 makes it a little bit more complicated going forward. 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:15.120 Now. 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.760 Obviously obviously we know them as well. 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:20.760 Yeah, And I was going to say, and they know 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:24.240 what those guys like to do also, but the fact 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:30.240 that it was, like my first line was if you 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:34.760 can't beat them and join or get them to join you, right, Yeah, 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:39.599 So that's another little nugget there going going. 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.679 Forward, it just makes things more intriguing. I wouldn't I 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:43.880 wouldn't stress over it. 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:44.520 You know. 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.440 It's just a nice little story for you guys. 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.439 You can write, that's right, Yeah. 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:49.600 Make it interesting. 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:50.120 I think that is. 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:54.839 Doug Williams I just saw the video, okay, because he said, Doug, Yeah, 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.080 I'm gonna let Everson look at it during the break. 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.400 How about we know, we know we're early, but now, yeah, 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.839 let's know, we'll continue on sere in the regular season. 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:05.520 We got a forty five minute show, so we take 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.040 a break like fifteen. 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:11.559 After although I have to be out by twelve forty five, 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.880 so you guys can go to one. I mean eleven's 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.679 forty five. Yeah, eleven four. I know, I got so and. 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:20.480 We didn't give your heads up. 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:22.760 I was getting ready to but everybody walked in at 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.160 the last minute. It's like, oh, put your head sight on, 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:26.720 let's go. 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:28.640 I'm going to make as much of this as possible 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:30.760 for the time that I do. You guys the same way. 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:35.080 So yeah, oh, that's definitely that's Doug. Yeah, I know 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:35.520 that's Doug. 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:37.640 He looked skinny, looked thin. 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:39.200 Yeah, he might be happy to hear that. 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:41.320 Yeah, I doesn't he. 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:42.920 I think he's a lot of hair. 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.120 Last time I saw his hair go, Yeah, that's what 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:46.920 he did, all right. 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:48.000 He's trying to look younger. 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:49.280 So he's good looking. 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:55.480 Black man looks like Doug Williams to me. 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:58.320 He didn't want he didn't want to be you know. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.880 And by the way, where were you guys when we 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:06.600 were doing our East West Shrine work here. I was there, 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.240 That's why I said, Savannah and I. 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:10.960 How'd you like it? 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:12.440 It was good, It was really cool. 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.160 It was a really cool event. They did great big 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.000 set up. The crowd was huge. There were so many 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.160 people that showed up game. It was really cool. 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:22.840 She asked me, why am I not here? 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:23.280 Yeah? 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:24.080 Yeah, she did. 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:25.320 She should have been scouting. 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:26.480 I know. 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.160 I was on the field. I ran into Randy White 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:29.920 said hi to him. 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.360 Drew Pearson was down there, a few other guys, a 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.800 bunch of the current players. They were out there watching 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.800 the game too, on the sideline. So it was cool 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:39.040 to see all these guys play. 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.640 And we were even there on Wednesday for the Hall 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:46.160 of Fame announcement for the East West Shrine game. Steve 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:50.000 Smith Senior and Steve Sarkesian. 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:52.440 Steve Smith, he's been there for a while. 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.640 Steve Smith now the East West Hall of Fame. 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:57.560 Ah okay, excellent. 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.680 Which he had a good story because he was invited 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:04.280 and he wasn't invited the Senior ball and at the 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.880 last minute somebody pulled out of the Senior bull I 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.880 mean the East West Shrine game. And gil Brant gives 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.480 him a call and says, hey, do you want to 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.520 participate in the in the Shrine Bowl? And he said, 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:20.280 That's how I got my opportunity, and I think he 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.440 ended up being the MVP of the game. 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:24.760 He was really emotional when he was telling that story 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.200 as well. It meant a lot to him just to 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:30.320 get that call from Gilbrant and then be invited to 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.880 that and then a full circle moment coming back to 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:34.280 this game and. 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.480 Being there and then get drafted. So he figured, you know, 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:42.720 what he showed in that game certainly bring boarded him. 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:50.160 Yeah, any fond memories of your college All Star games 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:51.360 that you played in ever since? 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:57.600 Shut those fools down. But you played I played in 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.440 the Black College All Star Game. It was like the second, 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:04.480 only the second one. We played in Jackson, Mississippi. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:05.520 Uh. 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.640 It was a bunch of people that are like seventeen 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:09.800 hundred people. 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:12.760 That was watching. 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.400 No, I mean they were at the game, okay, seventeen 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.840 hundred spectators. I think it was more scouts and coaches 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.919 than there was anything people's families. It wasn't much at 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:29.720 the stadium, played at Jackson JACKSTU. Yeah, and gil brand 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:33.520 of course was there, and Yeah, got out there and 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:37.520 it was freezing cold, freezing cold in Jackson, Mississippi, and 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.240 we won the game. But it was, you know, it 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:42.480 was just one more step trying to get there. It 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:44.960 wasn't much you could say about it, just you know, 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.639 a bunch of brothers out there running around trying to 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:48.440 be seen. 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.880 And be picked. So yeah, I played a good game. 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.520 But I mean, you know, when when it came to 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:59.880 the whole college experience, I don't think I was necessarily 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.560 all that much, not even in the All Star Game. 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.600 It didn't really get interesting until I got here. That's 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:09.200 when things got really sticky. But the All Star Game, 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.040 it was, you know, it was it was. It was 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:14.360 bush League. Let's just call it what it was. And 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.640 but you you you got guys there, all of us, 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.320 you know, trying to just get a pick. I think 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:21.760 I was the best guy in the in the in 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.960 the stadium that time. And hell I went undrafted, So 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:27.320 you know, it wasn't like it was. 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.080 Any other names from that game that we would know. 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.800 I don't think you would. I don't think you would. 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:42.120 I remember Larry Farmer, safety from Mississippi Valley. You had 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.159 some all coin boys that were the Walley Wright or 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:46.159 wide receiver they didn't make it either, but it was 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.240 a lot of fun to hang out with. We had 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:52.119 a lot of fun that weekend in Jackson, so much fun. 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:55.679 Gil had to had to squash some stuff, you know. 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.520 That was Gill's thing. If something went down. 0:18:58.480 --> 0:18:59.280 He was still. 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:05.760 You take that, officer, you take that, And that was 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:07.760 that was that was interesting. Yeah. 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:10.520 The night before the game, that was interesting. They had 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:13.240 some issue and Gil came in and made it all 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:18.760 disappearof it was gone. So that's your boy, that's your heroes. 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:27.280 In the Yeah, in the game on Thursday. Yeah, Frank 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:32.960 Gore junior. It's pretty good, pretty small, but boy can 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:36.480 he scoot. He is fast. Where did he play running back? 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:37.560 Where? What? 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:37.679 What? 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:38.800 The what? College? 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:46.639 Oh? I don't want to Yeah, Mississippi? Yeah, I wanted 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:52.400 to wait, had I had it right here. He's got 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:53.160 a start. 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:55.440 Out there. 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.320 I got a touchdown on the East or West. He 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:03.320 was on the West team. Okay, yes, with two of 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.520