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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Philip Kinsella, Brett Oldham, along with Paul Sinclair and myself,

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Speaker 2: we are the four on the panel of abductees, lifers, contactees. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 2: we all got so many different names and what they

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Speaker 2: each mean to me. I'm a lifer got that from

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Speaker 2: from Brett Oldham himself and I was like, yep, that's

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Speaker 2: that is the perfect name. It's lifer. There's nothing you

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Speaker 2: can do about it.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I think there's different projects out there. I believe that

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Speaker 2: the biggest one that most people know about have read

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Speaker 2: with from Bud Hopkins and doctor David M. Jacobs, the

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Speaker 2: Hybridization project. I absolutely, one thousand percent believe in my

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Speaker 2: research that I'm a part of that project. I have

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Speaker 2: also seen when I've gone big footing and done the

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Speaker 2: different things I've seen I've been to. There's an area

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Speaker 2: and there's one flying around. I don't think that's part

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Speaker 2: of the hybrid is Ation project. I think it's on

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Speaker 2: its own mission. But when you are up there around it,

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Speaker 2: it will come check you out, do whatever it wants

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Speaker 2: to do with him put you back. But I don't

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Speaker 2: think it has anything to do with the other project. Now,

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Speaker 2: I do also agree with something that you had said

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Speaker 2: earlier too, Brett, where all these things connect. My show

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Speaker 2: Blue Rock Talk is about that all these things connect.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's ghost, bigfoot, aliens, strange lights, dog man, whatever,

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Speaker 2: across the board, they all have, they all connect. They

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Speaker 2: all have the same things going on, they all have

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Speaker 2: some sort of telepathy, they all have some sort of

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Speaker 2: you know, community communication, just different names across the way,

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Speaker 2: they have orbs. They have all the same types of

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Speaker 2: things going along. I believe that's one of the secrets

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Speaker 2: to why I get activity when I go out, because

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Speaker 2: I believe they know that I've been taken. I believe

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Speaker 2: they know that I'm in at least a project.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they know the exact project, I don't know, but

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Speaker 2: I know that they know I'm somebody that's being taken.

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Speaker 2: And I think that makes the difference. I think that's

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Speaker 2: that's a big deal. So what do you guys have

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Speaker 2: to say with any of what I said? And just

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Speaker 2: jump in? In fact, Philip, you go ahead and jump in,

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Speaker 2: because we kind of dist your last last segment.

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Speaker 4: No, we're all part of this. I think it's interesting.

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Speaker 4: I think the question that we need to ask is

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Speaker 4: what do they want? And primarily after the abduction I

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Speaker 4: had in nineteen eighty nine was prevalent within my mind,

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Speaker 4: and in nineteen ninety six I had some kind of download.

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Speaker 4: It's the only way I could explain it, where I

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Speaker 4: had some kind of theory that was put into my head.

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Speaker 4: I have written about this, and I believe it's got

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Speaker 4: something to do with the spirit. I mean, why would

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Speaker 4: a species that cannot reproduce be interested in reproduction and

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Speaker 4: interestingly about the part human part alien in terms of

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Speaker 4: this so called hybridization program. And I'm absolutely canning it's

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Speaker 4: got something to do with what people call the soul

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Speaker 4: the spirit. Because if if, and it's just a big gift,

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Speaker 4: because we're open to all forms of speculation here. If

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Speaker 4: the Grays are some kind of cloned dentity or AI

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Speaker 4: construct in whichever manner or technology they use, which may

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Speaker 4: be very different from ours, you know, perhaps it's possible

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Speaker 4: they have lost themselves with that so called spirit, that

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Speaker 4: spark of divinity that we have. And I think this

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Speaker 4: is sudden that goes all the way back into Antidivolin culture.

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Speaker 4: But it's interesting isn't it Because they seem devoid of color,

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Speaker 4: of taste, of smell, of age. They have no understanding

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Speaker 4: these things, but they know us very well. So I

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Speaker 4: think the question is what is it that they want?

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Speaker 4: And I think that each and every one of us,

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Speaker 4: those that are lifers as you call a call them connie,

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Speaker 4: which is the correct terminology. I think there's something about

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Speaker 4: the individual, and I know that Steve Aspin is written

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Speaker 4: about this with intergenerational links with the grades are looking

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Speaker 4: for and this is obviously also about their mind scanning techniques.

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Speaker 4: What they're looking for, they can't seem to find it.

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Speaker 4: So I think the question is fascinating in the sense

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Speaker 4: of what do they want and why do they secrete

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Speaker 4: themselves within the background. One last thing here are so

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Speaker 4: you know all these people, you know, no disrespect to

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Speaker 4: the Love and Light crowd, but you know we hear

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Speaker 4: that so much about oh, they're here to help us

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Speaker 4: their benevolent Well we've had nothing, right, We've had absolutely

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Speaker 4: nothing in terms of you know, technological involved and people say, oh,

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Speaker 4: it's because the system is holding that back. No, I

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Speaker 4: don't believe. So, so I think that the modus operandi

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Speaker 4: they select certain individuals, very strong individuals, perhaps individuals that

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Speaker 4: have got some kind of genealogical links that's some kind

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Speaker 4: of signature to the soul, the spirit, and where that

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Speaker 4: may lead into our past generations, which is carried forward

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Speaker 4: from the past of the future. So you know, that's

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Speaker 4: I know that Paul has got his ideas, Brett has

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Speaker 4: got his ideas, and as I said before, I'm open

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Speaker 4: to awful the speculation. I'm not stating, oh, this is

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Speaker 4: this or that is that. I think it's important to me. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: definitely trying to find out what they want, why they're

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Speaker 4: doing what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: I do believe that the technology we are getting, the

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Speaker 2: technology we're getting, you know, the I think the Internet,

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Speaker 2: the Wi Fi, the speeds that we have, the AI

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would agree that in some parts there Conny,

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Speaker 5: But when Phillip says what do they want, it's difficult

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Speaker 5: because I don't know if it were Brett that touched

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Speaker 5: on it earlier. They don't these these beings, these intelligencers

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Speaker 5: don't think like because they're so detached. And that's the

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Speaker 5: big problem with a lot of eupologists and a lot

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Speaker 5: of people. We're trying to imagine what they're thinking through

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Speaker 5: human eyes, through human thought, and we're not in a

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Speaker 5: place where we could even conceive that. They don't. They

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Speaker 5: don't appreciate that when someone's being taken, or when someone's

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Speaker 5: undergoing these procedures, that there's tears rolling down a person's

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Speaker 5: face or this screaming, but there's no noise coming out

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Speaker 5: of their mouths. It's just a process. We're just we

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Speaker 5: probably do it ourselves when we're testing on animals and things.

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Speaker 5: There's no empathy, there's no I'm not saying everybody's like that,

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Speaker 5: but some people can just go through this process in

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Speaker 5: a cold and calculated way, and I think that's the

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Speaker 5: way they are. I don't think that we will understand

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Speaker 5: what they want and what their end game is. And

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Speaker 5: as for the connected, yeah, everything's connected, I believe. And

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Speaker 5: you're stomp bey to let Brett jump in if you

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Speaker 5: need to, But everything's connected. We know that the mind speak,

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Speaker 5: cleare audience, spiritualism. It's the same exotic science that's at

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Speaker 5: work running through all of the unexplained phenomena. So there's

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Speaker 5: a similarities even if they're not the same entities, they're

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Speaker 5: not the same intellgencies that are working using all of

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Speaker 5: this from the other side of the firewall. And that's

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Speaker 5: what I call it, the other side of the firewall

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Speaker 5: that we don't seem to penetrate. These intelligencers are all

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Speaker 5: using the same exotic science. Well, you know the mind speak,

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Speaker 5: We've got the orbs. We've got the orbs when people

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Speaker 5: are looking for ghosts and poltergeist activity, We've got the orbs.

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Speaker 5: With the UFO accounts, We've got the orbs in forests

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Speaker 5: and in woodlands, with the with the Fay, with the

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Speaker 5: big Foot. Everything seems to have some kind of common

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Speaker 5: connection that the threads are there. And I think we're

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Speaker 5: in a great time within not just abductees, but within

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Speaker 5: uphology and within the subject of the unexplained as a whole,

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Speaker 5: because as a whole, because people are no longer pigeonholing.

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Speaker 5: This is my subject and I don't accept anything else

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Speaker 5: Now people are realizing, thank god, that there's a massive

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Speaker 5: connection to it all, and people have been a little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know what the things we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Somebody here has dealt with the hybrid children and having

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Speaker 2: the uh. And that's Brett Oldham. Brett did they did

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah? They they introduced me to the child that's

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Speaker 3: on the cover of the book. My brother, Jeffrey Oldham,

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Speaker 3: he's a fantastic artist and was out in Las Vegas,

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Speaker 3: and I just described that little girl to him and

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Speaker 3: has just made a profound effect all around the world.

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Speaker 3: So many people have seen hybrid children that look similar

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Speaker 3: And I was led to an area of a craft

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Speaker 3: And once again, it was going back to what Philip

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Speaker 3: any kind of empathy. They're learning from us. To most

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Speaker 3: of the time they interact with the women from these

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Speaker 3: literally what it is. Yes, And in this in this case,

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Speaker 3: And I really I really couldn't resist and I kind

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Speaker 3: It was was she part mine? You know? I mean

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Speaker 3: I just had this aching curiosity that like, one of

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Speaker 3: these days, if on another event, you know, maybe I

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Speaker 3: can request to them, you know, maybe they'll listen, because

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Speaker 3: you know they usually won't. I won't do that. And

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Speaker 3: then in twenty sixteen, I start having a series of events.

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Speaker 3: in obviously you know, telepathically again and I said, you're

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Speaker 3: she knew who I was, She recognized me and she

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Speaker 3: and she says, I have to go back to work.

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Speaker 3: And I said, wait, what what is your name? I

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Speaker 3: don't know your name? And she turned around and she said,

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Speaker 3: And then she just walked away, and and that's all

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Speaker 3: know that. I think once again, they were wanting to

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Speaker 3: see my reaction, emotional reaction, because they are complete avoid

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Speaker 3: so a lot of what they do, whether it's through

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Speaker 3: the implants here in our reality and the circumstances they

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Speaker 3: put us through, or whether it's during an event. A

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Speaker 3: lot of their hybrid program because these hybrids have these

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Speaker 3: human characteristics and emotions through this through the DNA that

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Speaker 3: we have from us that the Grace don't have, you know,

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Speaker 3: so they're trying to understand the hybrids. They're monitoring us,

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Speaker 3: at least it's my belief, to better understand how to

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