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Speaker 1: No smoke out of the chimney yet we don't know.

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Speaker 5: Yah. The Chargers took that one last night when they

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Speaker 6: So what did they say?

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Speaker 6: They really do love themselves. I used a think Fred

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Speaker 2: But the guys from the NFL when were Germany said,

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Speaker 6: It's because they're Germany. They don't know anything.

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Speaker 1: About NFL people.

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Speaker 6: Not a rematch? Rematch?

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Speaker 1: Why not?

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Speaker 6: Why is it because you say that there's no such thing.

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Speaker 2: If it's if the last game was in a super

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Speaker 2: a rematch.

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Speaker 6: Last last game was in the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm telling the game I'm comparing it to.

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Speaker 6: Was also about yourself. Absolutely, it's a rematch.

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Speaker 7: So do you think I had a better Super Bowl branch.

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Speaker 2: Man, I'd say Edelman because it came harder.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium, and it's deuced. Paul me Evan is

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Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl. So I think he's gonna call

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Speaker 5: Yep, the sidelines.

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Speaker 6: Yeah that when the food.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll call in and let us know what's going

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Speaker 1: on in Mobile.

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Speaker 5: You know, people practicing, working on their football skills, trying

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Speaker 1: Scouts found the next Patriot.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so he's got his targets.

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Speaker 2: Yep. So we got a lot to talk about. We're

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Speaker 2: getting a little closer to filling out this staff. I think, Uh,

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Speaker 2: DeMarcus Covington is I don't know if it's official, but

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Speaker 2: it's reported and probably gonna happen that he's the defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: Long list of potential ocs ongoing. Nick Cayley seems to

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Speaker 2: be the stars might be aligning for him a little bit,

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Speaker 2: but we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not excited about that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, out of the list, he would be toward the bottom. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: just kind of another because you know, higher from within.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of like I wanted more of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, it seems like the signs are pointing towards

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Speaker 5: I mean, I have to hire Killey, that they're going

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Speaker 6: Now pretty much every guy I will everywhere?

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Speaker 5: Maybe, But how do we feel about Nickkeley? Like like

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Speaker 2: I mean we talked about it on this show as

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Speaker 1: Like, I don't know if he's.

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Speaker 6: Well, you really don't the old offense when he I mean,

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Speaker 6: he was here for eight years. I didn't have any

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Speaker 6: I just there's a lot of guys to Mike's point,

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Speaker 1: And Evan and Evan Evan Threw said he wrote about him.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I just he's been an offensive coordinator before. He's

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think to your point too, Paul, it's that,

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Speaker 5: And I think, you know, when you're just setting it up,

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Speaker 5: it seems like they're going to hire or they should

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Speaker 5: Covington can handle the defense. But it's if it's Kaylee

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Speaker 5: you're gonna probably pull guys from different places to do

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Speaker 2: that's there's a lot of learning that's going on in

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Speaker 6: You know, Like you made the comment that you were

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Speaker 2: They did not enough time. Well, they get good and

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Speaker 6: Like there's very little in the way of like big

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Speaker 6: you're not gonna get an offensive coordinator from one place

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Speaker 2: I forget the long time OC from Pittsburgh. I keep

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Speaker 2: forgetting his name. He was a legend.

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Speaker 6: The offensive line coach you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: No, no, maybe it was the DC.

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Speaker 6: Defens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but like he never became a head coach. He

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know no, But I mean, does it change

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Speaker 5: how you think about it at all? If they're you know,

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Speaker 5: going to have a young offensive coordinator, does that, you

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Speaker 5: know change I mean, my timeline is a few years. Like,

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Speaker 5: I don't think that this they're going to come out

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty four playoffs. Here we come. I think it's gonna,

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Speaker 5: you know, take a little while. But you know, when

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Speaker 5: you look at how you're kind of balancing what positions

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Speaker 5: Nick Keyley, you know, to Evan's point, Evan's you know,

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Speaker 5: worried that you're going to get an offensive coordinator in here.

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Speaker 5: He's gonna do well and he's gonna be gone in

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Speaker 5: little bit in that, you know, you got an offensive

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Speaker 5: new staff. You're gonna take some lumps, but you know,

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Speaker 5: does it maybe take a little bit of the pressure

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Speaker 5: you know, does that change it all? I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'm just you know, I don't know if it changes

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Speaker 1: Overall look at you quarterback?

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Speaker 2: Nothing changes If one of these three you know guys

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Speaker 2: if you like him, you got to get them. There's

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Speaker 2: no holding off on that. Then it's just a question

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Speaker 2: is is he ready to play right away? And nowadays

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Speaker 2: these teams aren't waiting. You throw them right in.

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Speaker 6: But to Mike's point, you might have the opportunity to

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Speaker 6: be a little bit more patient with all of the

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Speaker 6: newness to your coaching side. It would be pretty tough

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Speaker 6: who you know, we're all coming in together.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not worried about retaining the guy as we're

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Speaker 2: getting good, right, I'm worried about retaining him once we

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Speaker 2: be patient as much as you want. The guy's not

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Speaker 2: going anywhere if if if you're not, you know, no

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Speaker 2: one's gonna want to hire him if you're not seeing success.

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Speaker 2: But once he sees success, you want to keep him

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Speaker 2: because you want to keep that success.

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Speaker 1: But that's when they leave.

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Speaker 6: I thought you were talking about the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the OC right now.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, I thought you were talking

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Speaker 6: about like the quarterback how to play right away, because

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Speaker 6: that's what everybody wants.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 6: And I would say, like, I think you're in a

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Speaker 6: situation where you don't necessarily have to play him right

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Speaker 1: Anymo Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay, No, that's like.

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Speaker 6: You don't have that pressure. Like there's times like you know,

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Speaker 6: a guys might be in like you know, his third

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Speaker 6: he can't afford to wait around, like right now, Matt

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Speaker 6: eber Fleus like they're either going to stick with Justin

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Speaker 6: play them because he doesn't have time. They're not gonna

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Speaker 6: wait around another two years.

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Speaker 1: Right, all right?

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Speaker 2: So that's item number one is the building of the staff.

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Speaker 2: Number two, I guess before we get to the what

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Speaker 2: happened over the weekend with the other games. Mark Daniels

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Speaker 1: And the other thing, why not the other.

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Speaker 2: we know, Mac was doing it again. He was going

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Speaker 1: Like that, and I'm done with you. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the reason was. But to me,

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Speaker 1: That's what it's all about.

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Speaker 2: It's about teaching, and how can you teach if you

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Speaker 2: don't communicate. I that part I really didn't sit well

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Speaker 5: Now I agree, I mean that it struck me too,

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Speaker 5: how would they ever trade out first year? That's what

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Speaker 2: it's you know, after Patricia's showed that he just wasn't

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Speaker 5: Ye no, me too, that it was. And they didn't

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Speaker 5: little bit different, But it's the same stuff with Ian,

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Speaker 5: Like you know, yep, the coaches have some blame, Yep,

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Speaker 5: Mac has some blame. And the bottom line was he's

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Speaker 6: And that was the part of Like, so this is now,

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Speaker 6: he would, you know, he would sort of freelance and

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Speaker 6: don't you know.

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Speaker 2: Well, like yeah, and that kind of you know in it,

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Speaker 2: that kind of admits, yeah, I was doing things on

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Speaker 2: And it was kind of like, you know, see you

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Speaker 2: You feel like you're on an island. You just got

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Speaker 2: to make up things on your own. So who knows

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Speaker 2: what what actually happened. But like you said, Paul, truth

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Speaker 6: Last, And I think if you look at it, like

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Speaker 6: And that's what I don't mind when people don't attach

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Speaker 6: very respectful of Mac, putting a lot of you know,

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Speaker 1: Like you don't think that's born.

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Speaker 6: They weren't. He was hers at the end of the year.

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Speaker 6: He wasn't talking about getting better at the end of

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Speaker 6: showed maturity on to Mario Douglas's part to accept responsibility

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Speaker 5: Me, was out right Thornton was really playing.

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Speaker 6: So I just think that there was a lot of

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Speaker 6: of He's just not that good. He's just not that good.

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Speaker 6: Like I get all the reasons why he was broken,

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Speaker 6: like he doesn't have to be broken that Bill Belichick

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the other thing I kind of, you know,

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Speaker 6: You know what it was to me false Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I'm trying to like to let everybody know like I'm

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Speaker 6: we got this.

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Speaker 5: We're great, everything's great.

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Speaker 6: We got it, we got it, And that was what

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Speaker 6: he was trying. That was how he was trying to lead.

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Speaker 6: I don't listen. Was it a mistake, probably, but he's

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 6: It didn't work.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well the line that you heard him say a

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Speaker 5: Who's going to hold other people accountable and say, look,

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Speaker 5: we have to be better. You're not doing you know,

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Speaker 5: I don't think you know the great point. Max an

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Speaker 5: It drew the ire of kind of the players up.

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Speaker 1: But that's Lockers. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Now I would have said the same thing without knowing

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Speaker 6: telling you that, oh typical Paul, he believes the negative one.

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Speaker 6: He doesn't believe the positive one. No, I said, what

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Speaker 5: But but then you have the stuff in the game

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Speaker 5: just when you add all those things up, you look

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Speaker 5: and he just wasn't. Well, that's going to get behind

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Speaker 2: Know, other than the you know, the talent part of

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Speaker 1: You have to have people follow you.

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Speaker 2: Like I don't know any of the good quarterbacks who

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Speaker 2: That's that's a big trait in the NFL, is leadership

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Speaker 5: And that's like guys like Hunter Henry who you know,

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Speaker 5: I just don't know if they felt like Max's gonna

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Speaker 5: the sign of you know, a great boss. I mean

440
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Speaker 5: it's just it's not the guys that you're afraid of.

441
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 5: They're like, oh god, I got to do right because

442
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:12,040
Speaker 5: he's gonna yell at.

443
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,000
Speaker 1: Me what it's like for them.

444
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Speaker 5: I respect this guy, you know, I want to do

445
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,400
Speaker 5: a good job for them, but I just I don't

446
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,480
Speaker 5: think he ever he ever quite got there. And there's

447
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 5: just so much complications now, which sounds like they're ready

448
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,000
Speaker 5: to let him stick around unless they get a trade

449
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Speaker 5: till Yeah.

450
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Speaker 1: Wow.

451
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Speaker 6: It sounds to me like this is and that I

452
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 6: think all of this is all part of a bigger thing.

453
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 6: Is they're talking, and I think they're trying to start

454
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Speaker 6: to talk to some of the writers and say, let's

455
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Speaker 6: see if we can out here.

456
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Speaker 2: But I do not think he will be remindspisode when

457
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,679
Speaker 2: Kramer had the coffee deal and they're like that was

458
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,160
Speaker 2: on the other day. They don't even say that, dude,

459
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Speaker 2: I'll take it. That's what the Patriots if they get it.

460
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Speaker 5: Right right, we take him in at one of your paps.

461
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 1: We give you nothing.

462
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,919
Speaker 6: Someone's willing to give a a a second in a

463
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Speaker 6: fifth for Mac Jones and the guy goes, we'll get

464
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 6: will give you a fifth.

465
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 1: Take it. I'll take it.

466
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 5: I was gonna throw a second in the second there,

467
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 5: but forget it.

468
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Speaker 1: All right, So that's that.

469
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Speaker 2: And then you mentioned, you know people that other people

470
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,360
Speaker 2: want to play for, and that leads us to Dan

471
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,679
Speaker 2: Campbell and what happened with the Lions game and the

472
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 2: forty nine ers, and of course we've got to talk

473
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Speaker 2: about the Chiefs getting to the Super Bowl. I will

474
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Speaker 2: come off right now and tell everyone I'm rooting against

475
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Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs because I don't want them, over

476
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 2: the long haul to be able to equal what the

477
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Speaker 2: Patriots did over that twenty year run.

478
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: I admit it.

479
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 2: I don't want Patrick Mahomes over the long haul to

480
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 2: do what Tom Brady did. I will admit it. But

481
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Speaker 2: I also will admit the Chiefs are damn good. They

482
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Speaker 2: know how to win, obviously, and Mahomes is damn good.

483
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 2: He's on track if he keeps this up, to have

484
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Speaker 2: to be better than Tom Brady. But it's he's got

485
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Speaker 2: a long way to go.

486
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Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna be sitting here saying, Oh, the

487
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Speaker 1: Chiefs don't deserve it. They're not that good. Mahomes isn't

488
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 1: that good.

489
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 6: But games are fixed.

490
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: No, it's because of Patrick Mahomes that the Chiefs are winning,

491
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 2: and until the Chiefs don't have Patrick Mahomes, they will

492
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 2: continue to win, much to my own dismay and those

493
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 2: of other Patriots.

494
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Speaker 6: Degree.

495
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, how do you feel about San Francisco and

496
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 5: six titles though they retired in the sixth timer club?

497
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know that I can't do everything

498
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 2: through the Patriots.

499
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: We can't have everything.

500
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Speaker 5: And it's also like, I don't know about you guys,

501
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 5: but like, I mean, I'm a weird thing because I

502
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 5: was like a fan and now I work in you know,

503
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 5: but I just kind of appreciate greatness at this point,

504
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 5: and it's like, what are you gonna do. You can't

505
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 5: just sit there and stomp your feet and be like

506
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 5: they're not that good, They're not there.

507
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,479
Speaker 1: You got to appreciate the forty nine ers.

508
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 2: You got to appreciate the Steelers, you know, because they've

509
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 2: done it over decades. Not that they had the condensed

510
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 2: success the Patriots had, but they are teams that their

511
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 2: fan base gets rewarded over time. Like, you know, we've

512
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 2: always got a chance. You know, we're always you know,

513
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: if not the best, we're we're you know, among the

514
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 2: top ten teams in the league consistently, you.

515
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Speaker 5: Know, I mean just what they're doing.

516
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 6: Like like like just as as that. Right, So the

517
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 6: Niners won whatever it was, like five titles in sixteen

518
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 6: years something like that. Yeah, do you look at the

519
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 6: Niners any differently because of what the Patriots did?

520
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 1: No?

521
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Speaker 6: So, why, like is everybody so consumed with Kansas City

522
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 6: not doing it?

523
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: Well? I am no, but you're not.

524
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Speaker 6: Alone for yeah. No, And listen, I understand why people

525
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 6: are rooting it. I totally get why you would want

526
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 6: Brady to maintain his spot as the undisputed goat that

527
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 6: he has now, right, I get that. Like I feel

528
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 6: like kind of like Deuce, I kind of like greatness,

529
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 6: and I like when the next big thing comes.

530
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 2: Around, and I like the like think I like being

531
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Speaker 2: the greatest, having the greatest be a Patriot.

532
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Speaker 6: But I think like Lebron coming around to show that

533
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 6: it wasn't just Jordan, Like there's there's other great players

534
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 6: that we can appreciate watching. I don't like Lebron, I don't,

535
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 6: I never have, but I appreciate his greatness and I

536
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 6: still would say that Jordan is better. Whatever, But like

537
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,719
Speaker 6: I think that having another great team to sort of

538
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 6: lead you.

539
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: To the I don't think it's about and it just

540
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 2: goes to show you that no matter how great something was,

541
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: over time something will come by that will be better

542
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Speaker 2: or as good.

543
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Speaker 6: That's my point instead of just saying it will never

544
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 6: happen again. But I think, don't you just appreciate the

545
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 6: fact that it hapened.

546
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 2: I think for Patriots fans, and I'll throw myself in

547
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: this category, it's too soon, Like can we wait twenty

548
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 2: years before our ends and theirs begins in like, it's

549
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 2: just too soon?

550
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: Can we just like, you know, yeah, because.

551
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 6: While because there was like five years between San Francisco

552
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 6: and the Patriots, so this is immediate, yeah, you know.

553
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 5: But I mean, like what they've done in this playoff run.

554
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 5: I mean we've seen these teams up close, like to

555
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 5: beat Miami, which Patriots have enables on Miami, to go

556
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 5: to Buffalo and beat Josh Allen, we know what that's like.

557
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 5: And then to beat the Ravens where everybody feels like

558
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 5: it's their year. I mean it's and they're doing it

559
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 5: in different ways.

560
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 2: It's not like they're you know, scoring a ton of points.

561
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 2: You know, the defense is playing well and Mahomes is

562
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,719
Speaker 2: finding a way to just stay ahead.

563
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: And that's very Patriots like it is.

564
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 6: Because like the first two games, and in the first

565
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 6: half of this Baltimore game, the offense was great. Then

566
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, the offense went away and they

567
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 6: still won to Freend's point, like because you know, it

568
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 6: was like twenty six twenty seven points the first two games,

569
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 6: and then the first half seventeen more they look great, yeah,

570
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 6: and then the defense took it home.

571
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 5: Now, when Brady was in twenty twenty, didn't he win

572
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 5: three road games to go to that Super Bowl? Isn't that?

573
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 10: Is that?

574
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 5: Yeah?

575
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: Oh well, but it was COVID there were no fans.

576
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 6: Right, Yes, he did win three road games.

577
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 5: But just the point is, I mean they won two.

578
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 5: Brady won two playoff road games here, right, I mean

579
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 5: he won against San Diego in O six and he

580
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 5: won against Kansas City in twenty eighteen. Like, you know,

581
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes.

582
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 6: Just those are the only two road games they won

583
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 6: playoff games.

584
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 5: And this is the first time Patrick Mahomes had to

585
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 5: go on there.

586
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 2: That was the thing going into the playoffs, Like he's

587
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: never had playoff games on the road, which is you.

588
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: Know, but that's because they're so good. It's not his fault.

589
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 6: Right, I used a lot I used to make fun

590
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 6: of people that criticize the Patriots fan it's not their fault.

591
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 6: Did they get the number one seed every year?

592
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 11: Right?

593
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 5: And he didn't blink? And those are those are hard

594
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 5: places to play, and you know they don't have the

595
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 5: same kind of firepower maybe they once did. But he's

596
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 5: he limits his mistakes, he picks his spots. He's not

597
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 5: turning the ball over.

598
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: So I will. I will give the Chiefs their flowers,

599
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: but I want them to lose.

600
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, brock Perty still annoys me. And it's not even

601
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 5: like an Evan thing. I don't know why it's come

602
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 5: on late. It's like a late onset brock Purty annoyance.

603
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 5: I don't know what it is. I just I think

604
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 5: about him. I think it's really funny.

605
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 6: And in a lot of ways, I'm glad he's not

606
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 6: here because we don't need to know, we don't need

607
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 6: to devolve it into an argument.

608
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: Why not let's argue.

609
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 6: Well, I'm sure you and I will argue because that's

610
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 6: what we do. But I come away from these two

611
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 6: games like I've been pro prety right, like saying, I

612
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 6: think he's better than you give him credit for. I

613
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 6: still think he's better than people like evn't give him

614
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 6: credit for. But it's two very unimpressive games for him.

615
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 5: Like, well, I thought he made some plays in the

616
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 5: second half of this.

617
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 6: We did run running.

618
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 5: That's it running, But that's okay, Yea.

619
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 6: He made a couple of plays running that were completely

620
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 6: I just know it's fair.

621
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 5: You're right.

622
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 6: I mean, the team has been thoroughly unimpressive in their

623
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 6: two games.

624
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 5: I got.

625
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 6: I mean, I thought they would really play well in

626
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 6: this game after playing so poorly against Green Bay. They didn't.

627
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 6: You know, the biggest play of the game was a

628
00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 6: drop pick that went off a guy's face, and like,

629
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't know what to think. Like

630
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 6: I look at him and I say, yeah, I've seen

631
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,239
Speaker 6: other guys play for that offense. Garoppolo didn't do it

632
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 6: like that. And then at the same time, I'm like,

633
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 6: I can see the detractors. I see what they're talking about.

634
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 6: He's he can get inaccurate at times. He throws a

635
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 6: couple of balls up for grabs, got away with them,

636
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 6: I will say, and I strongly believe it is their

637
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 6: offensive line and stinks like he gets he's under pressure quickly.

638
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 6: He's under pressure quickly, and he takes yeah for his

639
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 6: like he he completed a pass early in that game

640
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 6: on their first touchdown drive when they were down fourteen,

641
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 6: he took one right in the face as he was

642
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 6: getting hit and I think it was yeah.

643
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: Came up with a bloody lip. Is that the one?

644
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 5: Yeah? That was.

645
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 6: Yeah? That could have been a pen that should.

646
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: Right right right.

647
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 6: There. I mean, I I don't think he stinks. I'm

648
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 6: not like Evan, but I don't think that he's quite

649
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 6: as good as the pro prety crowd.

650
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 5: Like I like what you how you set it upstairs

651
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 5: about the Super Bowl of like you know, it's it's

652
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 5: like Kansas City.

653
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 6: Is not going to let them have yeah if they

654
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 6: play they played the first two games, they ain't beating

655
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 6: Kansas City because Kansas City isn't going to hand them

656
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 6: the game the way that Green Bay in Detroit did,

657
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 6: especially Detroit and crow Jones.

658
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: I do want to say we talked before Paul all

659
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: of the thing about Dan Campbell and the analytics and

660
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: everyone blaming on his decisions on the Geeks in the

661
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: in the basement giving feeding him what to do.

662
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: Are we sure about that?

663
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: Because to me, it looks like I'm mister a tough

664
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,479
Speaker 2: guy and I'm going forward on fourth down like I

665
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: always do, and like it's more an emotional type of

666
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: decision rather than an analytical one.

667
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't I don't know. I mean, I

668
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 5: don't don't either. I don't really know. And it's you know,

669
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 5: I would have kicked it. I would have just said, look,

670
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 5: it's going to be a tie game. Let's just extend

671
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 5: the game. You know, We've kind of got them, like,

672
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 5: make them have to make some plays, you know, put

673
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 5: some pressure on them. But you know, get the whole

674
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 5: thing of like, and I don't know, is there a

675
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 5: thing with your team when you kind of prescribe this

676
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 5: philosophy We're going to be super aggressive and fourth down

677
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 5: come what may? And you know, does I mean, does

678
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 5: that get in your head that you're like, well, this

679
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 5: is who we are and we just have to do it. Yes,

680
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 5: you know, which might say the same.

681
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

682
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 5: I think that that is.

683
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 6: If that's what it is, I would criticize me even

684
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 6: more for being inconsistent in the game.

685
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 3: There.

686
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, he kicked the field goal once, then he goes

687
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 6: for it the next two times. I think he's totally

688
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 6: analytics driven. I think that they have a plan in place,

689
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 6: and that's what he basically goes by. It's paint by number.

690
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 6: But in terms of this game specifically, I think too

691
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 6: much has been made of the actual decisions as opposed

692
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 6: to the plays, and not the plays that they ran

693
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 6: on fullurth down necessarily, but just plays that they didn't

694
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 6: make as a team in the second half. It was

695
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 6: a total self destruction that I think people are letting

696
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 6: the players off the hook totally because it's all Dan

697
00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 6: Campbell's fault.

698
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: I would have.

699
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 6: I think I could understand the first one because I

700
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 6: think they still had control of the I mean it

701
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 6: was like, well, the momentum had turned. No, it hadn't.

702
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 6: The Niners came out in the first drive, they had

703
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 6: to kick a field goal, big deal. They still got

704
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 6: a fourteen point lead, and then Detroit got the ball

705
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 6: and drove right down the field just the way they

706
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 6: did the whole first half. There was no sign that

707
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 6: momentum had turned. Just kicking a field goal to make

708
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 6: it seventeen. Yeah, I mean in twenty twenty hindsight, they

709
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 6: could have used the points, but fourth and two. I

710
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 6: didn't think they were going to get stopped on that play.

711
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 6: I think I would have gone for it two and

712
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 6: gone for the throat. Make it a thirty one to

713
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 6: ten game. Halfway through the third quarter of the game's

714
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 6: probably going to be over the second one. I think.

715
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 6: I'm with Mike. I think you got to kick the

716
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 6: second one and tie the game. Now at that point,

717
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 6: momentum had completely flipped, and your chances of making that

718
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 6: are much more difficult. That's what they don't and I

719
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 6: say they derogatory. That's what the nerds don't think. They

720
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 6: don't take away. Oh yeah, Oh, it's not the middle

721
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 6: of October on a crossing route for Josh Reynolds. Maybe

722
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 6: there's a little more pressure here. Maybe maybe that might

723
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 6: because they don't believe in clutch. They don't believe in

724
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 6: clutching late, they don't believe in touch. This is one

725
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 6: thing that Felger talks about all the time that he's

726
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 6: right about. That's one of the flaws with it. You

727
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 6: can put in whatever you want to make the numbers

728
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 6: say what you want, but you can't account for the

729
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 6: human element. In these samples, and like I said, I

730
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 6: don't kill Dan Campbell. Fred's right, he's been aggressive. I

731
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 6: think that you can make an argument that if he

732
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 6: changed his ways, they might have been hosting that game

733
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 6: on Sunday. But he gets aggressive for better or worse,

734
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 6: and it bit him. But I just to me, there

735
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 6: was the Reynolds drops, the having Gibbs up, you know,

736
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 6: between the tackles, bad move, and obviously they ran and

737
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 6: you kind of ran the wrong direction which led to

738
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 6: the fumble again, complete self destruction right down to the

739
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 6: end of the game. You're chasing ten. If you're going

740
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 6: to run the ball there, you got to call two

741
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 6: plays again my favorite thing. What is it coaching malpractice? Yeah,

742
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 6: you can't do that.

743
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: And then the Ravens.

744
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: I was really surprised at the game they put up,

745
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: you know, I mean a lot of people were blaming

746
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: it all on and say Flowers and he did kind

747
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: of have a meltdown at the.

748
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: End of the game. But like I thought the Ravens

749
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: would play a better game.

750
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 6: Than I did too. I didn't see that. I mean,

751
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 6: in fairness, I didn't see the game unfold, but I

752
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 6: would have thought that the Ravens would play much better

753
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 6: than they than they did.

754
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the seventeen points, but their offense just

755
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: never couldn't.

756
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 6: Do much ever gotten gear, you know, and those those

757
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 6: I mean, why did they get away from the run?

758
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 5: I think they were like five or six on third

759
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 5: down to start. I mean it was just you know,

760
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 5: they had him in a bunch of third downs and

761
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 5: they were moving, but they just you know, there was

762
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 5: the one.

763
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, and let and Kelsey catch eleven passes, I mean

764
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 6: right out of the gat, good right.

765
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 5: Out of the gate. I mean, I don't know how

766
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 5: many he had right in that first half. It was probably,

767
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 5: you know, way more than half of them. But you know,

768
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 5: I just I kept waiting for like I was like

769
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 5: I was thinking in my head, I'm like, you know,

770
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 5: Lamar is like this like dream car, and it's like, man,

771
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 5: this is just so fun to drive. But then like

772
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 5: the one day you try to take it out, it's

773
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 5: leading out and you're like, oh, this isn't a great

774
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 5: day for this car. You know, like it's just like

775
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 5: there was something wrong, like it just.

776
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 6: But it didn't look like that there was an issue

777
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 6: when the game did.

778
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 5: It just couldn't find any rhythm. You know, I'm finding

779
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 5: he'd hit a couple of plays down as eight flowers.

780
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Chiefs were doing a good job in coverage,

781
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: but you know it's Lamar.

782
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 5: Like he just couldn't start, you know, when they start

783
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 5: rolling and you're like, oh my god, they just like

784
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 5: you know, they couldn't get that going for whatever reason,

785
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,479
Speaker 5: and he'd hold it, hold it hold.

786
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 6: I agree with you, guys. It was a curious performance

787
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 6: from that team, because I do think they're pretty good

788
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 6: and well coached, and they went right back to that

789
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 6: undisciplined like seemingly too too jacked up for rat kind

790
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 6: of like Rex Ryan Yes kind of performance.

791
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 5: Well, I mean Rex having Bart Scott throwing the flag

792
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 5: into the state like like those I mean, it wasn't

793
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 5: quite that over the top ridiculous of but I'm like, man,

794
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 5: this is the Ravens, Like why why did they wait

795
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 5: till now to start being idiots? And just I mean,

796
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 5: I don't know what say fly. I mean, he was

797
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 5: sick with himself with that taunting penalty, but that's a

798
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 5: taunting penalty.

799
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: Long, no doubt kick The guy.

800
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 5: Over threw the ball down stood right.

801
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: It was like.

802
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 6: It was I hate that, you know, yeah, it was.

803
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 6: You know, I can't argue, you know, I mean that

804
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 6: if there's a definition of of what they meant for

805
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 6: putting that rule in, that was it.

806
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 5: For me. It was the and and maybe he was.

807
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 6: It was the push, the standover spin.

808
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 5: And maybe the dB was kind of holding him a

809
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 5: little bit to get them get off me.

810
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 12: Man.

811
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 5: You know, everybody kind of does.

812
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: And that would be fine if that's all he had done.

813
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: The rest would have let it go. But it was

814
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: the spinning. It was a standard.

815
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 6: If I'm wrong, they overcame that. Right. That was the

816
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 6: same drive that he fumbled on. Right, Yes, I think

817
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 6: because again I didn't just I'm asking dumb questions because

818
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 6: I didn't see the.

819
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: Game would have happened.

820
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: Without that, they would have been first and goal I

821
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: think at the nine or something.

822
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 6: No, I know, but they ended up getting the first

823
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 6: down inside the one yard line when he fumbled.

824
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: I know.

825
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 2: But it just it was they just needed to do more.

826
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 2: That pushed him back fifty Oh yeah, I made it harder. Yeah,

827
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: now that now they had to get up again and

828
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: then Flowers, like you said, he fumbled.

829
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 6: That to me was far more egregious than the tunnel

830
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:10,479
Speaker 6: extending the ball.

831
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 5: Saw the interception too, which the interception is dumb, like

832
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 5: dumb triple coverage.

833
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 6: I hear people talking about interference on that play.

834
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 5: You gotta be kid, what are they going to do?

835
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 5: I'll stop and just stand around him and wait, like

836
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 5: let him getch like.

837
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 6: I know there was one that they showed in the

838
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 6: highlights on I think the field goal when they end

839
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 6: up kicking the field goal to make it seventeen to ten,

840
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 6: that through a downplay they missed a hold on unlikely.

841
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

842
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 6: But I don't have any penalty on the unlikely in

843
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 6: the end zone. And triple coverage, no, please, You're not

844
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 6: going to get bailed out very often unless you're Brady.

845
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 5: So they got to be sick. I mean, everybody felt

846
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 5: like Baltimore, this was their year. Yeah, you know, and

847
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 5: it's like it's just Mahomes going right, Like you know,

848
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 5: everybody's waiting for Josh Allen and and Lamar to click

849
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 5: in and have their special year. And you know, Patrick

850
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 5: Mahomes is doing. Of those guys what Brady did. That's

851
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 5: to like Philip Rivers and you know, all those good

852
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 5: quarterbacks there that to me very.

853
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 6: We're gonna play well and we're gonna button it up.

854
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 6: We're not gonna do anything special, but we're gonna play

855
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 6: well and we're gonna let the other team.

856
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 5: We're not gonna beat ourselves. We're not gonna.

857
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 6: Make because they used to be.

858
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: It was early Patriots. We'll go to your house. We'll

859
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: be the underdog.

860
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: You know, we'll feel disrespected by being called the underdog,

861
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: but we're gonna beat you at your house, and we're

862
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: gonna go.

863
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 6: There's more Brady Road wins the Pittsburgh games. Of course,

864
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 6: there were I knew I knew we were missing somewhere.

865
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 6: We started the show in the early in the Pittsburgh

866
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 6: Conference Championships one and four, both in Pittsburgh.

867
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: We went to San Diego.

868
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 6: But I want that Mike was talking about I was there.

869
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 5: If you hadn't heard that already, h I have to

870
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 5: give Laye a shout out though, because we were watching,

871
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 5: you know, we watched Kansas City last week and then

872
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 5: this week and we're watching the game. She's like, I

873
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 5: don't really watch football, but this Patchaco guy looks like

874
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 5: he's like the best.

875
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: Player in the league.

876
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 5: And that's how he looks he runs like you're mad man.

877
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 6: To runs like he's mad at the ground.

878
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: And then of course Taylor Swift.

879
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 6: So one more thing on the game itself before you

880
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 6: go to Taylor Swift, like as an example of like

881
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Speaker 6: just the players again, like the coaching. You know, I

882
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Speaker 6: didn't have him ready in your horrible because everybody hates

883
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 6: Harball too because he's a whiner. So they get that

884
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 6: that that they don't have the right personnel in the

885
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 6: field that last drive. They got to get the stop right,

886
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 6: they got to get a three and out to get

887
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Speaker 6: the ball back, and they have too many men in

888
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 6: the field, so it sets up first and five. I think,

889
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,479
Speaker 6: very good coaching, very good preparation to go off side

890
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 6: on purpose, right, except you can't kill the guy it

891
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 6: right again, just over hyped, like over aggressive dune and

892
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 6: then got tight too.

893
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

894
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just just a disappointing performance by the Ravens.

895
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Speaker 2: Let's see, who do we have online?

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Speaker 1: Four? Oh it's Evan Lazaarre from Mobile. What's up? Evan? Hello, guys,

897
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Speaker 1: how we doing good?

898
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 2: You're on the Patriots Unfiltered Show with Mike just So,

899
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Speaker 2: Paul Parlo and Fred Kursh how you doing.

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00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 13: I'm doing well.

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00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 7: Thanks for introducing yourself to me, chech. I appreciate that.

902
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: So tell us everything, what's going on down there? What

903
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: makes you excited?

904
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Speaker 7: Yeah, we just got wrapped up national practice here in

905
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Speaker 7: Bobila and I'm here myself echo. So that's a little weird.

906
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Speaker 1: But you sound power through?

907
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, power through. So I would say it was

908
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 7: not the greatest practice for Michael Pennis and Bone Nicks,

909
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 7: but these two guys are practicing in the system they're

910
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Speaker 7: not familiar with, and you don't always see cornerbacks come

911
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 7: out here and put on the show. For that reason,

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Speaker 7: by the star of the day, I would say with

913
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Speaker 7: Michigan wide receiver Roman Wilson, who I really feel like

914
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Speaker 7: has a lot of I'm on Ross Saint Brown in

915
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 7: his game. Not a not a Paul type, sorry, Paul.

916
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Speaker 7: Not an outside guy's.

917
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Speaker 6: Good player.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, another slot receive, but I look at him as

919
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Speaker 7: someone that could be a high volume guy at the

920
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Speaker 7: next level. He was uncoverable here today. I don't really

921
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Speaker 7: think I saw anybody be able to cover him out

922
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Speaker 7: of this cornerback group which has some good players in it.

923
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Speaker 7: So I was really impressed with him and a couple

924
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Speaker 7: of tackles definitely looked a part, and I know that

925
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Speaker 7: that's the group that the Patriots are going to look

926
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Speaker 7: closely at here this week.

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Speaker 1: Okay, with Wilson, what do you think third round? Second round?

928
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Speaker 7: So he was a late stay two projection coming into today,

929
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Speaker 7: So a third round pick maybe if you have such

930
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Speaker 7: a deep wide receiver class, he could maybe be pushed

931
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Speaker 7: into early day three. But if he continues to practice

932
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Speaker 7: like this down here, I don't think that's going to happen.

933
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Speaker 7: I think we're going to talk about him in the

934
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Speaker 7: second or third round easy. I mean, he just has

935
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Speaker 7: a really smooth route. It gets great separation at the

936
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Speaker 7: top of the route, doesn't fight the ball, can transition

937
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Speaker 7: into his yards after the catch. That's why I make

938
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Speaker 7: them on Ross Saint Brown comp because he's not the

939
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Speaker 7: fastest guy down the field, but he's just incredibly smooth

940
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Speaker 7: all around with his route running. And I see a

941
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 7: lot of that in his game. But I think here

942
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 7: today you saw at the end of practice too, you know,

943
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Speaker 7: best on best they kind of took one on ones

944
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Speaker 7: at the end. Would they pulled some of the best

945
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Speaker 7: guys on each side of the ball and Kingsley Sumati

946
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Speaker 7: is a tackle from BYU. He that shut down Laky

947
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Speaker 7: Latsu is going to be a first round pick a

948
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Speaker 7: couple of times. So I was really impressed with him

949
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Speaker 7: in terms of the tackles.

950
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Speaker 2: Folk okay, and in terms of other teams, to the

951
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Speaker 2: best of what you can see, every team represented there.

952
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: In terms of scouting, Oh.

953
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, the Patriots have a full contingent here. They

954
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Speaker 7: got about probably eight or nine guys. I would say

955
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Speaker 7: on the scouting side, you know macro Elliott, Wolves obviously here,

956
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Speaker 7: Cameron Williams, and then pretty much every team I've seen

957
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 7: so far. You know, some teams spread. I was thinking

958
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 7: to you, guys, because you know some teams they're they're

959
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 7: marching around with their guests puffed out a little bit.

960
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 7: After this season, saw Nick Casario, he had a nice

961
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 7: little pep to his step. I thought, you know, you

962
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Speaker 7: see some of those teams. It's funny when the teams

963
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Speaker 7: that went deep in the playoffs and things like that,

964
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Speaker 7: they always have a little bit more swagger when they

965
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 7: come around and they find around than compared.

966
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Speaker 1: To last the teams.

967
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Speaker 2: The teams that already have their quarterback are the ones

968
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Speaker 2: that are you know less pressure. Yeah, you know, so

969
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Speaker 2: now I can fill other spots. I'm not so worried

970
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: about the quarterback position.

971
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: It gives you a lot of freedom.

972
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 5: Did you see the Ravens guys? Are they how are

973
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 5: they walking around?

974
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 7: I did see a few Ravens guys and they were

975
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 7: not very talkative you that way. But I think it

976
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 7: is funny that the teams that, like a team like

977
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Speaker 7: the Texas, they had kind of a out of nowhere

978
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Speaker 7: type of season, maybe maybe a year earlier than people

979
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 7: saw it that they would be this deep in the playoffs.

980
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 7: So you see the difference between those teams and then

981
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 7: like the Ravens contingent, who are disappointed with their results

982
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 7: even though they made it all the way to the

983
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 7: champions fifty and so he definitely can feel those vibes

984
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 7: coming off of certain personal departments for sure.

985
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I understand that our content team you included,

986
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Speaker 2: will have h We'll be able to talk with Matt

987
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: grow and some of the scouts there.

988
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: Has that happened already or is that going to happen.

989
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 7: No, We're going to talk to a few of them

990
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 7: after practice today and then probably Macro tomorrow. Is I

991
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 7: think the plan. But yeah, we are going to talk

992
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 7: to those guys. So I'm really interested and excited to

993
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 7: pick their brains just about this class in general and

994
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 7: see what they think. You know, I think the buzz

995
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 7: around here continues to be you need a quarterback or a

996
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 7: receiver or a tackle. This is a really good class.

997
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 7: And that's the Patriots, right. Those are the three positions

998
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 7: that keeps on hammering every time he's available to the media,

999
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 7: is those three spots on offense. So I think that

1000
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 7: this is going to be a good class for the Patriots.

1001
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: And but Mayo himself is not there, correct.

1002
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 7: No, no girod Mayo. I assume he's back at home

1003
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 7: doing OC interviews and things like that.

1004
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: Still, okay, all right, well listen, any good eats so far?

1005
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: Or is that.

1006
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 14: No?

1007
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 7: We'll go out tonight. Last night we kept a little

1008
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 7: bit low key. We had a long day of travel yesterday.

1009
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 7: So well, well, maybe we'll find some spots tonight. I

1010
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 7: think mad Smith wants to get some some crawfish or

1011
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 7: something like that down here, and.

1012
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 5: Oh boy, have fun.

1013
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: All right, all right, well, keep up the good work.

1014
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 2: We'll be looking for your stuff on your social media accounts.

1015
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: And I don't know.

1016
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Speaker 5: You probably our website too.

1017
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, so good stuff absolutely anytime, guys.

1018
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Speaker 1: All right, Evan, thanks. Evan Lazarre checking in from Mobile,

1019
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: Alabama at the Senior.

1020
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 5: Bowl, having the time of his life.

1021
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is I mean, this is the super Bowl.

1022
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, No, I'm excited. He's wanted to go for

1023
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 5: a long time, so I'm excited for him. And yeah,

1024
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 5: it's a big, big week. The draft starts in Mobile,

1025
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 5: so here we go.

1026
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, And then before Evan called, we wanted

1027
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: to touch on the whole Taylor Swift thing, so you know,

1028
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 2: it's a big time for her.

1029
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: You know, her guy is.

1030
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: In the Super Bowl and people think it's a conspiracy

1031
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: theory by the league to have her in there, and

1032
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: you know she's going to perform at halftime. I'm going

1033
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 2: to tell you right now, there's no way on God's

1034
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: green Earth that she performs at halftime at the super Bowl.

1035
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 6: There's no way I want to see it happen.

1036
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 2: There's no way, because half the stadium will boo her.

1037
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 5: Isn't it already book though?

1038
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 1: Isn't it already like this that they can always fit somebody?

1039
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 6: Ye, yeah, it always happens.

1040
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, But she's not going to do it, but she

1041
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: she that's a bad business move on her end to

1042
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: do that.

1043
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 5: She she she's too modern for the Super Bowl. You

1044
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 5: need to be at least like ten years after your

1045
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 5: your highlight.

1046
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 6: Right, like Usher was like, and she did say no

1047
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 6: to believe.

1048
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: Well that was before she started seeing Kelsey.

1049
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, Well, but.

1050
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: Because she's so tied to one team, she'd be crazy

1051
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: to go out there. She's going to get booed by

1052
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 2: all the fans of the other team.

1053
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 5: But aren't there mostly like kind of corporate fans there?

1054
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 5: I mean, are there heavy can some actual team the

1055
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 5: Super Bowl?

1056
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 6: Mike, You wouldn't know, because.

1057
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 5: I probably never will.

1058
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 6: You know, Usually the stadiums are half and half.

1059
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: People pick sides and like even when she was here

1060
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: for the Kansas City game, when they showed her, like

1061
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: the young girl screamed like they couldn't believe it, and

1062
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 2: then it was followed by booze from the Patriots fans.

1063
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's what's gonna happen.

1064
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 5: They got to balance it off with one of the

1065
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 5: forty nine ers girlfriends or wives or something, you know,

1066
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 5: let her like like Kyle Yuschek's wife, come out and

1067
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 5: like design Ja Olivia Coppol, like have them come out

1068
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,959
Speaker 5: and do a little fashion thing. You know, it's.

1069
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: McCaffrey is a culpobopo colpol.

1070
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 6: I don't know. I just got a type to Dola.

1071
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 5: Dola, Yeah, Dola, she's she can't wait. She's like every

1072
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 5: picture of her, she's with some guy who's got football

1073
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 5: pads and and and a hat on, you know, after

1074
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 5: just winning something.

1075
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: All right, eight five five pats five hundred is the

1076
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: a stick and hutline. Let's get to some phone calls,

1077
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 2: talk about anything.

1078
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: Domini's in New York. What's up Dominic?

1079
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 15: Hey, guys, how y'all doing.

1080
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 16: Good?

1081
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 13: Just going back?

1082
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 17: Fred?

1083
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 15: I also agree just give.

1084
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 16: It some time.

1085
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 15: I wanted Tom Brady to be the goat for a

1086
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 15: little bit longer. I think Patrick Mahomes is going to

1087
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 15: get there. So I definitely agree with understanding greatness. But

1088
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 15: you know, I kind of want to Brady for before

1089
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 15: we have to debates and whatnot. But that's you know,

1090
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 15: not the here nor there. The reason I'm calling it

1091
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 15: is actually more about the Detroit San Francisco game, and

1092
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 15: part of your point I am pro perty. I mean,

1093
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 15: you know, he's dropping the seventh round. None really expected

1094
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 15: anything from him. He's doing incredibly well, but people were still,

1095
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 15: you know, knocking him, similar to how they kind of

1096
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 15: knocked their gods thing, like, you know, Sean McVay the

1097
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 15: real reason he counts success. Which is great, you have

1098
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Speaker 15: a coach that can coach, right, But the first couple

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Speaker 15: of years he had great numbers similar to Party, at

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Speaker 15: least in his first full season, and people were still

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Speaker 15: kind of going against the guy so much so that

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Speaker 15: you know, even if they you know, paid him Detroit whatever.

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Speaker 15: But Jared godso he's a really good quarterback in the league.

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Speaker 15: I think Party can be a really good quarterback in

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Speaker 15: the league. I really don't understand the hate. He takes

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Speaker 15: hits and things in the pocket and still makes the

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Speaker 15: throws he's able to make off platform those You're not

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Speaker 15: going to go and say, you know, top pier leap.

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Speaker 15: But he's a very good quarterback and I think in

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Speaker 15: that system that's all you can really ask for.

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, he's.

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Speaker 15: Making the place and even when it's my perpose, he's

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Speaker 15: making them when it counts, right, So I think, you know,

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00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 15: for me, I give him the credit to that. But

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Speaker 15: switching gears real quick like one of the things. Obviously,

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Speaker 15: I think Detroy gave away that game. And to your point,

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00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 15: I kind of just wish they kicked the field go

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Speaker 15: at the end. And even beyond that, I was really

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00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 15: mad with the time out management. You get three full timeouts,

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Speaker 15: you're driving, you get in the field goal range, you

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00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 15: still have your three maybe ticket if you can try

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00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 15: to get another drive, maybe you try to, you know,

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Speaker 15: go for the big play, go for the end zone.

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Speaker 15: But there was a lot of mismanagement at the end

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Speaker 15: with Dan Campbell, and it kind of goes back to

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Speaker 15: what people are saying, like, you know, he's a good leader,

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00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 15: but situationally, it just seemed like everything was out of watch,

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Speaker 15: even though that's who you are as a person trying

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00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 15: to get to you know, you're trying to make it sure.

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Speaker 18: To the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 15: So I was really just buried the hand north at

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Speaker 15: the end of the game. And it makes me think,

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Speaker 15: you know, when Ji rop Mayo as he takes over,

1134
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 15: how good he be with a situational football right now?

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Speaker 15: So you know, good is he with coaching the players?

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Speaker 15: I think Danny and Medola said at the Ravens with

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Speaker 15: one of the Raven players as they flowers. They said,

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Speaker 15: oh yeah, that's why you never reached for the end

1139
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 15: zone because they can knock it out the Belts.

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Speaker 13: I taught the standard.

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Speaker 15: That's something they pointed to. So I'm curious to see

1142
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 15: next season what situational downs look like. Is he really

1143
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 15: aggressive on boards down, what are the play calls and

1144
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 15: sort of what does he coach the players to do.

1145
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 15: And I think seeing everything that happens with Dan Campbell,

1146
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 15: I'm more curious about that with Ji Rob Mayo and

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Speaker 15: give me something to look forward to.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, absolutely, and you we won't know until we're in

1149
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: the moment. There's no way to tell, thanks Dominic. There's

1150
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 2: no way to tell if a guy's good at that

1151
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 2: until they get to do it non preseason. Forget, I'm

1152
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: talking about in a game high pressure. You know, how

1153
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: quickly can you.

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Speaker 5: Think yeah, you know, yeah, And I mean it's just

1155
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 5: like you said, there's much to manage for a head coach,

1156
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 5: and you know, you get in the bullets are flying.

1157
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 5: You know, maybe he's talking in the defense about something

1158
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 5: like there's just so much on a head coach's plate.

1159
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Speaker 5: That's why I wonder, you know, with some of these

1160
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 5: reports about Steve Belichick sticking around, would that be you know,

1161
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Speaker 5: would he be potentially like in some kind of Ernie

1162
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 5: Adams as I don't know, I don't know. I'm just

1163
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 5: but thinking of people that he might have as you know,

1164
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 5: a not a consultant, but you know, kind of an

1165
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Speaker 5: assistant coach, that assistant to the head coach that you know,

1166
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Speaker 5: maybe is paying attention to those things or you know something.

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Speaker 5: I just I think that's a valuable role. I think

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Speaker 5: it was. Everybody loved Ernie Adams, and you know, I

1169
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 5: think that's that's something the head coach can use, some

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Speaker 5: somebody to lean on who's kind of got a big picture.

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Speaker 2: Of someone that that's all they're doing. You know, they're

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Speaker 2: not worried about the offense of the defense and everything else,

1173
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Speaker 2: but they're just focused on situational you know, decisions, challenge

1174
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Speaker 2: clock related, down a distance related, you know, things like that.

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Speaker 5: Should we challenge, yeah, should we challenge this thing?

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Speaker 6: Its kind of I'm available.

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Speaker 5: You'd be good out of Paul. You you'd be though

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Speaker 5: you might get a little.

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Speaker 6: I do think it was well, I just I just

1180
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 6: get mad when they don't do it right.

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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't.

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00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 6: I wouldn't get mad when we're doing it together.

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00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 2: I could just see, you know, they do the shot

1184
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: of Paul in the booth and there's this empty diet

1185
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: pepsis all over the place.

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Speaker 1: He's this shirt.

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Speaker 6: So I liked one of the things that Dominic said

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00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 6: about Purdy and then in golf, and I don't know

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00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 6: if he was me meant it this way, but I

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Speaker 6: think that it's it's sort of similar in that, like

1191
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 6: no one thinks gof's any good either, right, and so

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Speaker 6: it's not about where the guy got drafted, Like I

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Speaker 6: know this, like we were talking a little bit off here,

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00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 6: like well, you know, there's this this theory that because

1195
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 6: he was the mister Irrelevant, no one could admit they

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00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 6: missed him. I don't think that has anything to do

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Speaker 6: with it. I think that plenty of people admitted they

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Speaker 6: missed it with Brady didn't take that long. So to me,

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Speaker 6: like Jared Goff was the number one overall pick in

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Speaker 6: the draft and people still don't think he's any good, right,

1201
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 6: they think he's a product of the system. But just

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Speaker 6: like sl like Dominic.

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Speaker 2: Syeah, other than the draft position, they're both very similar

1204
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Speaker 2: in that they're good quarterbacks. I think GoF has a

1205
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 2: better arm over yeah, yeah, but I think what holds

1206
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Speaker 2: them back is under pressure, you know, and making that

1207
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Speaker 2: mistake in a critical moment.

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Speaker 1: Not that Brady Brady did too. I mean, Brady had.

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Speaker 2: A lot of picks in the end zone, you know,

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Speaker 2: but he would ultimately overcome those.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I actually think Birdie is better off platform than

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Speaker 6: GoF is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, but you know, they're both similar where they're

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Speaker 1: They're just there, but they things are holding them back

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Speaker 1: from being great, you know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, and I think jered Os made some

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Speaker 5: real strides in his career, you know. I mean, going

1218
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Speaker 5: from that Patriots Super Bowl where you know, it seemed

1219
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 5: like they kind of had him flummoxed a little bit.

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Speaker 5: We would not really know what was going on. But yeah, well,

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Speaker 5: all right.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 8: As I think back over the past few seasons, I

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 5: Everybody? Maddie here?

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Speaker 8: Part one of the two thousand and three The Super Sequel,

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Speaker 8: A Patriots Super Bowl Sound Odyssey is out now available

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Speaker 5: It's great. Let's have a listen to a little snippet

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Speaker 5: from part one.

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Speaker 20: They are Super Bowl champions for the first time, the

1253
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 20: New England Patriots coming out onto the Gillett Stadium term.

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00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 10: This crowd has been given this team a standing ovation

1255
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Speaker 10: for over an hour.

1256
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 6: This is more like a Super Bowl celebration, but an

1257
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 6: opening ban season.

1258
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Speaker 5: After shocking the world and winning their first championship, the

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00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 5: two thousand and two Patriots started hot, winning their first

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Speaker 5: three games of the season after raising a banner against

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Speaker 5: the Steelers, but they then lost their next four in

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Speaker 5: a row and that started an up and down season

1263
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 5: that will bottom out the two games skid in late

1264
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 5: December against the Titans and Jets that put their playoff

1265
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Speaker 5: hopes in doubts.

1266
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Speaker 10: Disappointing loss for the Patriots here tonight in Nashville, Tennessee.

1267
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 10: The fall to eight and six after forcing the Jets

1268
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Speaker 10: to punt.

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Speaker 5: A fumbled punt.

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Speaker 10: Recovered by the Jets at the Patriots twenty yard line

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Speaker 10: and the Jets regained the lead on the field goal

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Speaker 10: and the Patriots were never able to recover. Very disappointing game.

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Speaker 5: Scott Pioli, Patriots director of player personnel.

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Speaker 21: Going into the two season you know, we knew that

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Speaker 21: there were holes, We knew that there were limitations with

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00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 21: our roster, and we didn't make the playoffs, which was

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Speaker 21: really frustrating to us on a number of different levels.

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00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 21: But we also knew that we were saying, you know,

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Speaker 21: the ground up was being set for this to be

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00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 21: a good up and coming team.

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Speaker 5: Paul Parrillo, Patriots Football Weekly.

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Speaker 6: They were way ahead of schedule, you know, with their

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00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 6: performance in two thousand and one, and it was, you know,

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Speaker 6: in retrospect, fairly remarkable that that team was able to

1285
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Speaker 6: win the Super Bowl. So I think that you got

1286
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 6: an impression that everything had sort of been, you know,

1287
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 6: progressed to a spot that really it hadn't been.

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Speaker 5: Nick Fitzi Stevens, Patriots fan and personality.

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Speaker 22: Coming off of the shocking two thousand and one Super

1290
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 22: Bowl victory super Bowl thirty six, I think everyone regionally

1291
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 22: was so high and so grateful, so blown away by

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00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 22: what the Patriots accomplished that year that in a lot

1293
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 22: of ways, the next season was gravy to Pats fans

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00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 22: two thousand and two, like, hey, whatever you guys do,

1295
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 22: it's cool, because you just delivered us a super Bowl championship.

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Speaker 22: But this being New England as well, our expectations can

1297
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Speaker 22: be a little high sometimes.

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Speaker 5: In the final week of the regular season, New England

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Speaker 5: avenged an earlier loss to the Dolphins with an overtime

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Speaker 5: victory that capped off a thirty seven hundred yard passing

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Speaker 5: campaign from Tom Brady ridy touchdown to Toy Brown, a

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Speaker 5: nine and seven record to finish the year while putting

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Speaker 5: the Patriots back into playoff contention.

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Speaker 11: The Patriots well, but their playoff hopes would depend on

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Speaker 11: a Jets victory over the Packers later that afternoon.

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Speaker 5: And we are inside the Meadowlands.

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Speaker 14: Here it is Brother Brick, New Jersey, the New York

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Speaker 14: Jets taking the field, and at this moment they do

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Speaker 14: not know their fate. Christian Fourrier, University of Colorado. We

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Speaker 14: need the Jets to beat Green Bay. They already had

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Speaker 14: it locked up. Gets over on a six post six

1312
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 14: four New York Jets. It's crazy how quickly the season

1313
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 14: just ended. The end the game with so much excitement,

1314
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 14: and you know, Hope, and you're like, yeah, all we

1315
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 14: have to do is make the dance. Game's over. Everybody's

1316
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 14: high five and everybody. Thirty minutes later, we all realized

1317
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 14: that the game was over and the season was over.

1318
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 5: Matt Chatham, linebacker and special teamer.

1319
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 18: I think two thousand and two was just still part

1320
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 18: of the process, you know, where we're Scott and Bill,

1321
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 18: we're trying to get it too, and it's just sort

1322
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 18: of a transition kind of period. We we didn't do

1323
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 18: a lot of those little things down the stretch that

1324
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 18: we did, know one.

1325
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 5: Teddy Bruski Arizona.

1326
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 23: I mean, we were worried about things we shouldn't have

1327
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 23: been worried about in two thousand and two. I mean,

1328
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 23: I remember captain's meetings with a coach Belichick, and we

1329
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 23: were talking about with uniforms you were going to wear.

1330
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 23: It's like we want to go blue on blue, you know,

1331
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 23: So how's that sound Bill? And Bill's looking at that

1332
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 23: as like, what are you guys talking about? And so

1333
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 23: our heads were, you know, I think we were still

1334
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 23: in the clouds because I mean as much as Bill

1335
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 23: could could, you know, sort of preach one game at

1336
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 23: a time and do your job and all that stuff

1337
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 23: human nature about becoming a champion, it is hard to forget.

1338
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 23: It's hard to forget, and I don't think we could

1339
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 23: do that in two thousand and two.

1340
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Speaker 5: Despite not making the playoffs, there were some silver linings

1341
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 5: to come out of the two thousand and two season,

1342
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Speaker 5: most notably the emergence of rookie wide receiver Dion Branch,

1343
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 5: who had forty three catches, four hundred and eighty nine

1344
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 5: yards and two touchdowns.

1345
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 10: Brady quick wires over the middle clock first down like

1346
00:58:55,200 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 10: Deon Branch, the rookie hoterrific catad sout, cat, squat, all over, sensational.

1347
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 5: Catchy Branch would become a vital part to Super Bowl

1348
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 5: title wins.

1349
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 6: Paul Perillo, Branch was was terrific from from day one,

1350
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 6: and he was one of those guys at training camp

1351
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 6: that you watched and we've seen a lot of training

1352
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 6: camps now together and you can see these guys, you know,

1353
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 6: they stand out, they pop right away, and Branch was

1354
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 6: one of those guys. So you kind of had an idea,

1355
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 6: this is this is the kind of receiver they like.

1356
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 6: They like to accentuate the slot, guys you know that

1357
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 6: are more concerned with route running than necessarily the explosiveness.

1358
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 6: So he was he was a perfect fit, I think

1359
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 6: for that for that offense.

1360
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 24: Dion brant Reui will the most important piece is going

1361
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 24: into it, you know, have an opportunity to be dropped

1362
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:42,959
Speaker 24: by the team they just came.

1363
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 6: Off with Super Bowl victory.

1364
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Speaker 24: Uh, just being around these guys, I mean taking all

1365
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 24: that stuff in. Uh, being blessed to have guys like

1366
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 24: you know, Troy Brown as my my my captain, my leader.

1367
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 24: Uh you know, obviously Tom Brady is the.

1368
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Speaker 6: Quarterback, you know.

1369
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 24: But but but being a room with Troy Brown and

1370
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Speaker 24: my our brother, the love brother who passed and left us,

1371
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Speaker 24: David Patton, and a guy who I love so much

1372
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 24: and respect so dearly and had taken a lot of

1373
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 24: things from it. But being blessed to be in that

1374
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 24: room with those individuals, to be part of the greatest

1375
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 24: team and the greatest head coach man. That was everything

1376
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 24: as a rookie. You know, it's just trying to be

1377
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 24: a sponge. I didn't take anything from it. My most

1378
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 24: important piece. I want to do everything that these guys accidentally,

1379
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 24: and I tried my best to do that.

1380
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Speaker 5: Tom Brady showed he was no flash in the pan,

1381
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 5: But the lack of a playoff birth called any immediate

1382
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 5: talk of the team being a perennial contender after winning

1383
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 5: a standalone championship.

1384
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 6: That kind of gets me fired up because I think,

1385
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 6: and you know, the hell of these people know obviously,

1386
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 6: what Tom Brady did, you know, was remarkable in two

1387
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 6: thousand and two. I think Brady showed you that he

1388
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 6: in fact was going to be that guy. You know,

1389
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 6: a lot of people forget that he led the league

1390
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 6: in touchdown passes, you know, to the defense, however, started

1391
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 6: to lose some of the pieces that were part of

1392
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 6: that core because Bill brought in a lot of you know,

1393
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 6: his guys, you know, the Circle of the Wagon, guys

1394
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 6: that were kind of veterans in one big part of

1395
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 6: the team. Try to replace some of those guys, and

1396
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 6: it didn't work out. And I would say to you know,

1397
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 6: the very short answer to your question, what happened in

1398
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 6: O two? They couldn't stop the run. They absolutely could

1399
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 6: not stop the run.

1400
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 14: Christian Fourier University of Colorado. You know, we were nine

1401
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 14: and seven, and it was interesting because Brady had so

1402
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 14: much attention and accolades. After that was his second year

1403
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 14: in the league, winning the Super Bowl, and then I

1404
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 14: remember we played the Pittsburgh Steelers. He had a great

1405
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,439
Speaker 14: game beat them, but then we finished nine to seven,

1406
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 14: We lost like three games in a row. Was ugly.

1407
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 14: We were really fighting at scratching and then nothing. So

1408
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 14: it almost felt like, you know, the whole Brady many

1409
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 14: had kind of died down. He was still a young,

1410
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 14: good looking quarterback that had a lot of you know,

1411
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 14: upside to him, but no one really knew what it was.

1412
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 5: Nick Fitzi Stevens.

1413
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 22: Entering the two thousand and three season, now we're at

1414
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 22: this sort of flashpoint, this very pivotal moment with these Patriots, like, hey,

1415
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 22: is this Tom Brady guy really going to be something

1416
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 22: special in the long haul? Is this team going to

1417
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 22: be perpetually competitive or were they a flash in the

1418
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 22: pan who caught a little lightning in the bottle? And

1419
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 22: rather now they more are an eight and eight, nine

1420
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 22: and seven type of team.

1421
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 5: Karen Grigian with the Boston Herald.

1422
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 25: Well, I think, you know, after they won that first

1423
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 25: Super Bowl, to the shock of everyone, I think people

1424
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 25: sat back and you know, looked at the team, looked

1425
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,919
Speaker 25: at their defense, and looked at this up and coming quarterback,

1426
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 25: and you know they were thinking, well, maybe, you know,

1427
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 25: maybe they can make more of this, you know, and

1428
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 25: especially with Bill Belichick as a head coach. There was

1429
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 25: talk about the proverbial hangover, and with Tom Brady there

1430
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 25: and his mindset of always wanting the next one, you know,

1431
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 25: it seemed like that wouldn't happen to the Patriots, but

1432
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 25: it did. And I actually think what happened in two

1433
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 25: thousand and two fueled quite a bit of what happened

1434
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 25: in two thousand and three.

1435
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 5: Paul Perillo.

1436
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 6: They were banged up at by the end of it.

1437
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 6: I think Tom himself had a separated shoulder by the end,

1438
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 6: and they fell short. I mean championship medal, you could

1439
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 6: see because that team just didn't have it. But they

1440
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 6: found a way to stay relevant right until the last

1441
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:22,959
Speaker 6: game of the season.

1442
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 26: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes. Replacements

1443
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 26: were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,

1444
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 26: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx where

1445
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 26: now it's next for residential delivery only.

1446
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 5: And now great moments in.

1447
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 4: History.

1448
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 6: You know what you do when you don't really have

1449
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 6: anything tangible, you go on. You go on things that

1450
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 6: are completely subjective. I think it's Steve Belichick and Gerd

1451
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 6: Mayo understand. Yeah, I can't argue, I can't argue with that.

1452
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 6: I can't argue. I can't argue with.

1453
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: That Paul makes fun of all the staff geeks. Unless

1454
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: he was making fun of.

1455
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 6: That, I'm not making I'm not giving you any stats.

1456
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 6: I'm giving you performances. The other team moved the ball

1457
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 6: at will and scored points.

1458
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: That's all.

1459
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 6: That's not a stat.

1460
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: Do you think green Bay moved the ball at will.

1461
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 6: From the second half on? Yes, okay, but not the

1462
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 6: first half. They got off to a slow start offensively

1463
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 6: in the first half. Why the Patriots defense played well

1464
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 6: in the first half, I said, go back and listen

1465
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 6: to the post.

1466
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,919
Speaker 1: And last week they put a game together where both

1467
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: halves they played. So they're getting better. They're getting better.

1468
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 6: You told me they got better in the green Bay game.

1469
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 2: I think they were better in green Bay than they

1470
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: were the week before, right, Yes, they were, So they're

1471
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 2: getting better.

1472
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 6: They were, but they weren't better than they were against Pittsburgh.

1473
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: Oh, Pittsburgh stinks.

1474
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 6: Okay.

1475
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: I mean I do take some things that the consideration.

1476
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 6: Who I think they were better than I think they

1477
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 6: were better against green Bay than they were against Baltimore.

1478
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 6: I do, Okay, evidence of getting better in the I

1479
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 6: think they were better from green Bay to Baltimore. I

1480
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 6: don't think that the Baltimore and green Bay game. So

1481
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 6: did they get they weren't better in the Baltimore or

1482
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 6: Green Bacon and they were against Miami Or.

1483
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 2: Did they get better after Baltimore and after Baltimore, Yes,

1484
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 2: and then they got better after that, Right.

1485
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 6: But they're getting better, but they got out, but they

1486
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 6: got worse point cursion.

1487
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 5: That's another great moment from.

1488
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 6: All right, eight five five Picking those apart later, Pittsburgh stinks.

1489
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 5: I can't even I can't figure what was going on.

1490
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 6: Says Fred. Pittsburgh stinks. But green Bay didn't stink. They

1491
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 6: had their season high in points against the Patriots, but

1492
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 6: they didn't stink.

1493
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 2: Eight five five past five hundred is the A Sticket

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Speaker 1: MA dot com. Okay, so I just looked real quick.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sure people look, people were dying to know

1502
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 5: Paul Is can get a shot up Hall real quick.

1503
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 5: He's got the two thousand and three Gray Maw hoodie.

1504
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 5: It's not a hoodie, No, it's a mock. But Bill

1505
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 5: was seven and two in that only once though, no sleep,

1506
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 5: Only once did he have the sleeves intac usually cut

1507
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 5: sleeves on the mock. So you know, I know there's

1508
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 5: a lot of people out there probably wondering, you know,

1509
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 5: Paul all of a sudden, where is this? Where's this

1510
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 5: sweat shure been? For the last five years I've been here,

1511
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 5: I've never seen him in it, and today it is?

1512
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 5: Today it's here.

1513
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 6: Is there a chance that I haven't won this sweat

1514
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 6: shirt in five years?

1515
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 5: I would have probably known. I would have. I would

1516
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 5: have made a mental database for Paul.

1517
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: I hadn't started.

1518
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 5: Now I didn't know. I didn't know. He's a hoodie guy,

1519
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 5: a maw hoodie guy.

1520
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 6: Sorry.

1521
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Speaker 2: During the break, you heard some of the two thousand

1522
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Speaker 2: and three sound Otissey Super sequel Super and that's been dropped.

1523
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Speaker 2: You can get that wherever you get your podcast. Part

1524
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Speaker 2: one is out and uh, I from what I understand,

1525
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Speaker 2: I think Bill Belichick is mentioned in it.

1526
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: Nope, no, nothing, No Bill.

1527
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 5: We do it kind of like Madden does, where like

1528
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 5: we just call him any coach.

1529
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: Okay, the coach of the Patriots.

1530
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 6: So just to let everybody know, I was part of it.

1531
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 6: I was one of the people. I was one of

1532
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 6: the people that that Mike interviewed. So you know that

1533
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 6: Bill was was involved. You know Bill about it, Keeper

1534
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 6: of the Flame, Paul Parrella.

1535
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 5: You know, Paul was great.

1536
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 6: And I also mentioned Tom Brady at times. What I did.

1537
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 5: On Branch Uh. Yeah, No, it was a you know,

1538
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 5: it's it's it's oh one. So much happened in two

1539
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 5: thousand and one and O three was you know, had

1540
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 5: a lot of good stuff, but it was not going

1541
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 5: to be oh one. But I mean the Rodney thing

1542
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 5: and the lawyer Malloy, that was, you know, the big

1543
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 5: piece at the start, which I was excited talking to

1544
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 5: Peoli just like, did you guys kind of realize that

1545
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 5: you were doubling up a little bit, like you know,

1546
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 5: it was might come into like a conflict, and you

1547
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 5: know at that point he said, no, we just you know,

1548
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 5: we were just trying to get good players. We really

1549
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 5: liked Rodney we thought maybe we could work it out,

1550
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 5: and obviously didn't work out. You know, Paul I thought

1551
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 5: I had a great quote too. He was like, I

1552
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 5: still don't know why why a lawyer had to go.

1553
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 2: Well, I think Bruski what he had to say about

1554
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 2: what Bill was thinking, you know, maybe I could use

1555
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 2: them both.

1556
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, well and then that's a kind of a precursor

1557
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 5: to what we see now.

1558
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and but Bruskie saying it was kind of a mess.

1559
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, Well, that's what I thought was funny, is

1560
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 5: because he's talking, you know, I don't know, Bill's trying

1561
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 5: to sell us on this like too too strong safety thing,

1562
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 5: and it's like, this is where we're at now like that,

1563
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 5: you know, even at that point in O three, he

1564
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 5: was kind of looking at how can we kind of

1565
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 5: blend the linebackers, second level strong safety, get a little more.

1566
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:24,799
Speaker 1: The big nickel, the big nickel.

1567
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 5: So now it was it was fun. You know, I

1568
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 5: wish there was there were more great stories. There were

1569
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:31,679
Speaker 5: definitely some good ones, but no, it wasn't as crazy

1570
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 5: as oh one, I mean, no one between. Sorry, No,

1571
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 5: it's very good. Part one's out Part two next week,

1572
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 5: so that'll be the regular season and then the playoffs

1573
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 5: next week.

1574
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: So all right again eight five five pass five hundred

1575
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,600
Speaker 1: is the ace ticket hout line. Let's get back to

1576
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: the phones. Eric is in New Jersey. What's up, Eric?

1577
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 27: Hey, it's got two points one uh one observation that

1578
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 27: I made and it kind of goes back to the

1579
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 27: you know, the philospy kind.

1580
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 28: Of here where we know drafting corners.

1581
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 16: When you look around, you know, the teams that the

1582
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 16: play in the ANC.

1583
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:09,600
Speaker 28: Championship minus the Darius need, none of these teams have

1584
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 28: you know, I wouldn't say that their cornerback group or

1585
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 28: the secondary is a top tier. And like I know,

1586
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 28: maybe the philosophy you know, as opposed to better having

1587
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 28: pass rushers, as opposed to pay you know, having top

1588
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 28: tier you know, secondary players.

1589
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 16: And then just second thing.

1590
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 6: Just real quick, I would disagree with you in terms

1591
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 6: of the a f C. I would agree with you

1592
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 6: in the NFC. Both secondaries on Sunday I don't think

1593
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 6: are very good.

1594
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: But Hamilton's pretty good for Baltimore.

1595
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's an excellent He's an excellent safety. Marlin Humphrey

1596
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 6: is an excellent corner. Trent McDuffie is an All Pro corner. Yep,

1597
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,839
Speaker 6: as well as Sneid that the secondaries of Baltimore's in

1598
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 6: Kansas City are very very good. Now. Now, the other

1599
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 6: the other side is he's right, Eric's right about San

1600
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 6: Francisco and in Detroit. I think both have to cover

1601
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 6: for their secondaries.

1602
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 28: Because it's like, I just look at the success.

1603
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 27: You know, obviously they haven't won a Super Bowl, you know,

1604
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 27: as recently, but you know they they constantly put a

1605
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 27: good team out there. And again there's not much, you know,

1606
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 27: as opposed to the second area.

1607
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 6: You know, it was also a one game.

1608
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, I mean obviously the you know, the game

1609
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 12: did state.

1610
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 4: But you look at it.

1611
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 28: I look at it from the I'm saying it from the.

1612
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 4: Aspect of the playmakers.

1613
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 27: You need to see the play with Brandon and I

1614
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 27: used me where if And again you look at Detroit

1615
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 27: where they didn't have a guy that can catch a

1616
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 27: ball in a clutch moment. When you have guys that

1617
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 27: you have Debo Kittle, you have these guys step up,

1618
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 27: where as opposed to.

1619
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 16: The premier where the premier.

1620
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 27: Talent is on the offense, where I'd rather have the playmakers,

1621
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 27: Like going into this draft, I'm big on the Harrison

1622
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 27: Tennek Combo, you know, the you know, the medical workout

1623
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 27: as opposed to looking at these teams that want to

1624
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 27: build from the line. Because I look back at the Browns,

1625
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 27: you look at it. They had at one point, Alis, Max,

1626
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 27: Joe Bettino and Joe Thomas.

1627
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 28: You didn't win anything. So again, it's just the philosophies.

1628
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 27: I'm curious out of how this uh, this regime takes

1629
01:10:59,200 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 27: it forward.

1630
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 12: And I'll take off the line.

1631
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 1: Thank all right, thanks Eric.

1632
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think Devin, you know, hinted at

1633
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 5: a little bit. There's a ton of tackles in this class.

1634
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,560
Speaker 5: So it's I mean, it's it's just what's your philosophy?

1635
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 5: You know, do you do you take one of the

1636
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 5: high pick ones and you know, assume he's gonna be

1637
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 5: really good or I mean I hear everything he's saying,

1638
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 5: and it's you know, it's I've always kind of like

1639
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 5: leaned towards the side, at least on the defensive side.

1640
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:21,759
Speaker 1: Of the ball that if you've got a really good.

1641
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 5: Front seven, and I think that's probably influenced by the

1642
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 5: early Patriots, where you know, you'd have guys in the

1643
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 5: secondary going down, but you'd still have Seymour and Vrabel

1644
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 5: and McGinnis up front, and it never really seemed to matter.

1645
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 5: Maybe that's flawed thinking, but I think at this stage

1646
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 5: you need athletes in the secondary. Like I think the

1647
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 5: game has changed too much since that time that like,

1648
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 5: well the game, a guy like christianzalez Is is kind

1649
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:44,600
Speaker 5: of vital, just a mover, somebody who's quick and you know,

1650
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:45,759
Speaker 5: can cover a lot of space.

1651
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 2: And you just have to have those key playmakers that

1652
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 2: you can keep because even offensive linemen move around. You know,

1653
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 2: back in the day, you'd have your five you know,

1654
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 2: pillars of granite or whatever, and they would be there

1655
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:03,679
Speaker 2: for seven years, you know, and your line would never change.

1656
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 2: Even now there's the market for guards, you know, you

1657
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 2: lose them. So you have to have you know, your

1658
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 2: key guys. Quarterback being of course one of them. Where

1659
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter. You know, you can like Paul you know,

1660
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 2: likes to do. You can swap these guys in and

1661
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 2: out because your other guys are really good.

1662
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can't, like there has to be you know,

1663
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 6: some modicum of attention patriot Like you can't do what

1664
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 6: the Patriots did this year and completely ignore it. Right,

1665
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 6: But if you know I don't think. You know, Kansas City,

1666
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 6: you know Joe Toney, all pro guard, you know, one

1667
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 6: of the best in the business. He's out. They scored

1668
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 6: the first three times they got the ball, and I

1669
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 6: understand they only scored seventeen points, but I mean, let's

1670
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 6: face it, they didn't miss Joe Toney. You can you

1671
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 6: don't have to have like the best player at every

1672
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 6: spot on the offensive line, but you just can't have

1673
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 6: retread never worse like the Patriots tried to do it

1674
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 6: with this year. I mean, trading for guys who had

1675
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 6: never played, you know, on an emergency basis before the

1676
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 6: start of the season.

1677
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 2: They I think the key for the offensive line is coaching,

1678
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 2: you know, get them coached up, communication, cohesion, playing together.

1679
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 2: I think that's just as important.

1680
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 5: They playing together is important, Yeah, for sure. But I mean,

1681
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 5: I think to Paul's point, the Patriots has just gotten

1682
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 5: so far beyond, like they just have nothing in the

1683
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 5: pipeline and you look at the free agents and the

1684
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 5: tackle class and it's you know, it's it's tough. I mean,

1685
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 5: you're not gonna go rebuild your tackles and free I mean,

1686
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 5: they maybe could do it, and you know, maybe they

1687
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:38,600
Speaker 5: can at least secure one spot. But it feels like

1688
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 5: they got Yeah. I said this last year. They gotta

1689
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 5: get a couple of tackles and.

1690
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: They have a little depth at guard.

1691
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, well I don't know.

1692
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, maybe, but they've certainly drafted to guard.

1693
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 6: But I was gonna I'm just gonna say, I like

1694
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 6: what their their thought was in the draft last year

1695
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 6: as opposed to the year before. Right, we're gonna take

1696
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,480
Speaker 6: three guys on Day three and we'll probably get one

1697
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 6: that can play, you know, who knows, maybe we'll hit

1698
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 6: on two. But the first round pick for a guard.

1699
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 5: Well, I ain't going there again.

1700
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless he's to me, unless he's like John Hannah,

1701
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 2: then even get a guard later.

1702
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, even then I'll wait.

1703
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 5: No, I mean, I I can be talked into John Hannah.

1704
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, because they wont all those titles with him.

1705
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 5: No, I think you need I mean, and I just

1706
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 5: think specific to this team, Like, you know, I love Andrews.

1707
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 5: He's getting a little older. It'd just be great to

1708
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 5: have like a young stud left tackle that you know,

1709
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 5: you feel great about. But it's it's just hard to

1710
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 5: get excited about it when it comes at the expense

1711
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 5: of you know, maybe considering one of the top receivers

1712
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 5: one of the top quarterbacks. And you know, as these

1713
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 5: mock drafts continue to come out, it's like tack tackle, tackle,

1714
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 5: you know, it's like six tackles going.

1715
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 6: You know, yeah, it gets crazy. And I did you

1716
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 6: know that thing that I was telling you guys about.

1717
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 6: I just sort of did a very imperfect exercise just

1718
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 6: sort of looking at the third quarterback taken in a draft,

1719
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,600
Speaker 6: and then I did the same thing for tackle and

1720
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 6: wide receiver. Interesting, and you know, like last year is

1721
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 6: a little it's a little soon to say, but like

1722
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,560
Speaker 6: the third quarterback in twenty two is Malik Willis. That

1723
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 6: was the third quarterback taken. The third tackle that year

1724
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 6: was Charles Cross. The third wide receiver was Chris Alave.

1725
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 6: So like that, that's just one year. You know, twenty

1726
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:29,640
Speaker 6: one was Trey Lance, Christian Darisaw, Devonte Smith. So you

1727
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 6: can see, like you can you have a better you

1728
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 6: can hit with the third or fourth tackle and the

1729
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 6: third or fourth wide receiver. It's really hard to do

1730
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 6: that with quarterback. Now that's not me telling you you

1731
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 6: need to take a quarterback or you need to ignore quarterback.

1732
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 6: I think it comes down to Fred's thing, where if

1733
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:51,759
Speaker 6: you identify one of these three guys as your favorite

1734
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 6: and you have a chance to take him, I think

1735
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 6: you should take him. You know, let's say that they

1736
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 6: think Jayden Daniels is better than Williams and Drake May right, Yeah,

1737
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 6: then I wouldn't say, well, you can't take him because

1738
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 6: he's the third quarterback taken and there have been you know,

1739
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 6: there's just to be fully transparent. Justin Herbert was the

1740
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 6: third quarterback in twenty twenty, Josh Allen was the third

1741
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 6: quarterback in eighteen. Deshaun Watson was the third quarterback in seventeen.

1742
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 6: So it does happen where the third quarterback turns out

1743
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 6: to be as good or better than, you know, either

1744
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 6: one of the first two. But I think it's more rare.

1745
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 5: Herbert and Allen were more like closer to ten right

1746
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 5: where they lower.

1747
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 6: Herbert was six, Allen was seven, and Deshaun Watson was twelve.

1748
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, nobody at three, I know, there's just something about.

1749
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 6: Uh No, the only one that was actually taken at

1750
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 6: three was Trey Lance.

1751
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 5: And that just kind of like reeks of we really

1752
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 5: need a quarterback. This is the guy this year. Just

1753
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 5: we have to take them. We don't have a choice.

1754
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 5: We need a quarterback that you know.

1755
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 2: Regardless of that, I know, trust your scouts unless your

1756
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 2: scouts are telling you that Trey Lance is the best.

1757
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 2: But you know, you've got to trust your scouts. You've

1758
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 2: got to trust your board.

1759
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 6: Do you want to get really upset? You know who

1760
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,679
Speaker 6: the third wide receiver was taken in twenty nineteen.

1761
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:09,839
Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen.

1762
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 2: Jefferson, that's right, Deebo Samuel, Oh.

1763
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, Justin Jefferson was actually the fifth wide receiver taken

1764
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 6: in his class twenty two overall, but Ceedee Lamb was

1765
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 6: the third one, right, So.

1766
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 5: Then you start getting into well, what about like the

1767
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 5: sixth wide receiver? You know there, I actually.

1768
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 6: Wrote Justin Jefferson down just because he was so so good.

1769
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 6: I did the same thing with DeAndre Hopkins the year

1770
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 6: that was thirteen. Taevon Austin was the first one taken

1771
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 6: and cord Aarrol Patterson was the third one taken, but

1772
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 6: DeAndre Hopkins was taking two spots ahead. He was the

1773
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 6: second one, but at twenty seven. Yeah, you know what

1774
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 6: I mean. So you can get a good player at

1775
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 6: those other positions. I think the chances of you getting

1776
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 6: that caliber player at quarterback of much smaller.

1777
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 1: Don't overthink it.

1778
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 2: Travis in West Virginia. Just the three Bulls today, You

1779
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 2: got that right, right. If Belichick was the coach of

1780
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 2: the Ravens, I think they would have beaten the Chiefs.

1781
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 2: Why because they Flowers would have been benched after the

1782
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 2: taunting penalty. It would not have been in the game

1783
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 2: to fumble.

1784
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 5: Well, that's good.

1785
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: Does have a point there.

1786
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 5: I felt bad for the Flowers. I mean, we spent

1787
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 5: so much time kind of focused in talking about him

1788
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 5: the last year. I mean the BC thing, and you

1789
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 5: know he obviously we I mean, Evan loved him, and

1790
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 5: you know, it just didn't to see like so many

1791
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 5: like make a huge play and then make a huge

1792
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 5: mistake and you know it's just tough.

1793
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 6: I mean, he's a good player and he'll learn from it.

1794
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:38,600
Speaker 6: I made the point about, like I don't think the

1795
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:42,440
Speaker 6: players for the Lions, players in particular, are taking enough heat.

1796
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 6: And you know, you know the receivers that played for

1797
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,600
Speaker 6: the Patriots always say Bill always said, don't reach the

1798
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 6: ball out and I've heard Bill say that a million times.

1799
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 6: I know the other coaches do the same thing. But

1800
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 6: the Patriots lately have had those kinds of things happen

1801
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 6: to them, right. I know Bill is going over it.

1802
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 6: I met training camp every day for twenty four years.

1803
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 6: I know Bill goes over that. I know Bill talks

1804
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 6: about this stuff. But the players sometimes do dumb things. Yeah,

1805
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 6: and they've had they had h I think it happened

1806
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 6: twice and each of once in each to the last

1807
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 6: two years, but I can't remember it now where they

1808
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 6: fumbled near the goal line and the ball went out

1809
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 6: of bounds. Obviously Bill is always telling these guys, don't

1810
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 6: do this, don't do that, But that doesn't mean that

1811
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 6: the players do it.

1812
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 5: Is that anywhere near the goal line or I don't

1813
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 5: know why. I always thought it was just near the

1814
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:37,600
Speaker 5: sidelines because if they fumble it out of the end

1815
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 5: zone that way.

1816
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 1: But you know it's even in the.

1817
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 6: Don't extend the ball because if you lose it, the

1818
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 6: risk is too great, right.

1819
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 5: For even like the quarterback on like a oh over

1820
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 5: the top come well.

1821
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 6: That would be like on a fourth down or something

1822
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 6: like that. That Like it's situational.

1823
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan and Maine. As someone that's always cheering against

1824
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 2: Kansas City, I came to the conclusion this weekend on

1825
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 2: how people felt about the Patriots during the Brady era.

1826
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:04,680
Speaker 2: Nobody could stop the Brady Gronk duo, and nobody can

1827
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 2: stop Mahomes Kelsey. Like you said, Fred, I think it's

1828
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 2: just too soon for us. At least we can say

1829
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 2: that Brady knocked him out in both the AC Championship

1830
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 2: and Super Bowl.

1831
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 1: Great show.

1832
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,640
Speaker 2: Always enjoy listening, especially in the offseason when there's no

1833
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 2: other football going on Spi and Fresno. I'm rooting for

1834
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 2: Case over the Niners for a petty and senseless reason.

1835
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't want Bart's net neutral quarterback idea to gain

1836
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 2: any steam, as it would if Purty won.

1837
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 6: That's a better reason than the hate of Kansas City.

1838
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 2: I want another year to go by without support for

1839
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 2: the idea that you don't need a great quarterback, leaving

1840
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 2: the nut Knicks to rationalize another San Francisco Super Bowl

1841
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 2: loss because they put an average player at the most

1842
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 2: important position.

1843
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 5: I mean, it's a pretty good juxtaposition between the Chiefs

1844
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 5: offense and the Niners offense. I mean, not totally, because

1845
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 5: the Chiefs have Travis Kelcey too, but you know just

1846
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 5: what Mahomes is able to do without the complete all

1847
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 5: star team around him. That to me is, you know,

1848
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,679
Speaker 5: proven a lot about who he is as a player.

1849
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 27: Right.

1850
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 6: No one would compare any of the other players, like

1851
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 6: the only comparison is Kelsey and Kittle. No one would

1852
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:14,719
Speaker 6: compare Pacheco to McCaffrey. No one would compare Rashi Rice

1853
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,560
Speaker 6: to Deebo or Ayuk.

1854
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:20,679
Speaker 1: Really now, ye Ken Wrights.

1855
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 2: In as much as I root against the Chiefs, I

1856
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 2: have to say I love Mahomes. He's just on a

1857
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 2: different level and a joy to watch. But interestingly enough,

1858
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 2: at the end of Super Bowl fifty five, when Brady

1859
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 2: was consoling Mahomes, Tony Romo said, Mahomes may one day

1860
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 2: match or surpass Brady's seven Super Bowls, but Brady will

1861
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 2: have always the this head to head matchup.

1862
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 6: Yep.

1863
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: Very prescient, don't you.

1864
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 6: Think too, Because I count the AFC Championship game too, Yeah,

1865
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 6: you know. And and he'll always have the head to

1866
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 6: head as a tiebreaker if if it comes to that. Now,

1867
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 6: I don't think that Mahomes will win seven titles. I

1868
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 6: don't think that will happen. I don't look at it

1869
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 6: that way either. You know, Fred and I talk about

1870
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 6: this all the time. We both love John Elway. I don't.

1871
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 6: I don't rate players ability based on how many titles

1872
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 6: they won. Now, I don't think it's it's inarguable that

1873
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 6: Tom Brady is the most accomplished player to ever play.

1874
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 6: That doesn't mean he's better than everybody, you know what

1875
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 6: I mean. I think that reasonable minds can analyze and

1876
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 6: differ and agree and whatever. But I don't think that

1877
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 6: Mahomes necessarily has to win seven titles to be in

1878
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 6: the conversation. Watch watching Tom. Do you think that he

1879
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 6: does things for his team that Brady used to do

1880
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 6: for his And I think they're pretty They're pretty similar players.

1881
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 6: They do it in different ways, but they the bottom

1882
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 6: line is very similar.

1883
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 1: Let's get to the back to the phones. Eldred's in

1884
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Hey, Aldred, Hey don't you doing today? All right?

1885
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 12: Yeah? I don't know, curious little curious.

1886
01:22:59,320 --> 01:22:59,719
Speaker 1: Party.

1887
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 12: I take party last year and this year over what

1888
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 12: we had for the last three years.

1889
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 6: Oh absolutely, yeah, absolutely.

1890
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 12: You know you know back you said he's he's a

1891
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 12: systematic or he just whatever officially, But that dude show

1892
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 12: me all kind of play making abilities, you know, running in, throwing.

1893
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 9: It so.

1894
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think anybody would argue that they wouldn't

1895
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:24,719
Speaker 6: take pretty well, maybe Evan would.

1896
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 12: Yeah, but I got a question for you, what's the

1897
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 12: hold up with the o C and why it's dragon

1898
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 12: so long and they don't, you know, they're not trying

1899
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 12: to get to put a plan in place or what.

1900
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 6: Well, I think they're having a hard time, yeah, having

1901
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:46,799
Speaker 6: a hard time getting someone who's having the same interest.

1902
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 5: I mean, they're doing the right things, They're interviewing the

1903
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 5: right kind of people, I think, I think so, you know,

1904
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 5: it's just there's not a big market right now. And

1905
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:54,719
Speaker 5: like we talked about at the top, he thought there'd

1906
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 5: be an experienced kind of guy that can take over

1907
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 5: the offense. But it's easier said than done, I think

1908
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 5: at this point. And yeah, it seems like signs are

1909
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 5: pointing Nick Keyley, I'm waiting to hear if that's gonna

1910
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 5: drop in the next day or so.

1911
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 12: Yeah, Okay, I'm hoping it ain't Troy Brown.

1912
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:10,759
Speaker 6: Ah, No, it's not gonna be Troy Brown.

1913
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 1: All right, thanks, Aldred. Let's go to Adam in California.

1914
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 2: Hey Adam, Hello, Hello, Hey guys.

1915
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 9: Question, assuming Phil doesn't get a job I mean, I

1916
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 9: know Ben Johnson just decided to stay in Detroit.

1917
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 6: I was not aware of that.

1918
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,640
Speaker 1: I didn't hear that. Is that breaking news.

1919
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 12: I believe?

1920
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 9: So yeah, I just I just.

1921
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 7: Heard it on callin cower Car or something like that.

1922
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:41,719
Speaker 6: Okay, I did not. I thought there was a chance

1923
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 6: of that based on some things I heard yesterday, but

1924
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 6: I hadn't heard that. So that's, Uh, that's good news

1925
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 6: for the Patriots because I think that could shake that

1926
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:53,679
Speaker 6: other guy free that Taylor is it Inkstrom? Inkstrom Inkstrom?

1927
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 6: He's the passing game coordinator fred for Detroit, and a

1928
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 6: lot of people felt like he would ascend to the

1929
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 6: coordinator job for Ben Johnson if Ben Johnson left and

1930
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:03,839
Speaker 6: just and went to Washington.

1931
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 2: Just curure, is there anyone from the forty nine ers

1932
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 2: that they might be looking at that they're waiting on

1933
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 2: the Patriots? Not their row Sea obviously, but like because

1934
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 2: that's Shannon, Yeah, but like someone under him, I don't

1935
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 2: know anything.

1936
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 6: What's the kobiak Oh?

1937
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:22,679
Speaker 1: Is he from the forty nine ers? Yeah?

1938
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 6: Isn't he a forty nineers passing game coordinator? Okay, so

1939
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 6: he's my guy?

1940
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 1: So you need to wait? Yeah?

1941
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, Tom Pelsaro said he informed the Seahawks and commanders

1942
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 5: he's staying in Detroit.

1943
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 6: Oh. So that's really good news for the Lions because

1944
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 6: I worried about the Philadelphia effect with Detroit if they

1945
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 6: lost him.

1946
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 2: So now does that does Bill Belichick have second thoughts

1947
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 2: about Washington? Or does Washington have second thoughts about Bill?

1948
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 6: Oh? No, No, Washington has no interest in Bill.

1949
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 1: How do you know?

1950
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 6: Because I talked to people?

1951
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 2: Oh okay, sources, Yeah, he knows Harris.

1952
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 6: I don't never. I wouldn't know him if he fell

1953
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,599
Speaker 6: on me. But I have talked to people that told

1954
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 6: me that they have no interest in Bill Belichick.

1955
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 9: Okay, all right, Just my question, guys, do you think

1956
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:11,799
Speaker 9: if Bill doesn't get hired and ultimately maybe the Patriots

1957
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 9: bring McDaniels back they dropped Marvin Harrison and you know,

1958
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 9: try to run it back with mac.

1959
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: Now, I I don't know.

1960
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I know a lot of people have talked

1961
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 2: about Josh McDaniels coming back, but I don't think that's

1962
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 2: gonna happen.

1963
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 1: I really don't. I don't think.

1964
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 5: I mean, signs don't seem to be pointing that way.

1965
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're wasting a lot of time if if

1966
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:37,639
Speaker 2: you're going to bring back Josh McDaniels.

1967
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 1: Right, you know.

1968
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So all right, Adam, thanks for the call. Let's

1969
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 2: go to Michelle in South Carolina. I hay Michelle, guys.

1970
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 7: Hi, Hello, yeah, hi, good good morning.

1971
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 28: After this.

1972
01:26:55,080 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, so some some some of.

1973
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 29: The radio people are saying this is a problem for

1974
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 29: the Patriots for Belichick not getting a job because now

1975
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 29: they have all the all the coaches still with the Patriots.

1976
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 7: But I don't understand that.

1977
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 29: Because why the Patriots have to keep and give them.

1978
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 2: Well, let me let me answer your question. If if

1979
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 2: some of these coaches are under contract with the Patriots,

1980
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 2: you can't just you don't want to just release them,

1981
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 2: because then you have to pay them, you know, uh,

1982
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 2: until they find a job. If Bill got a job

1983
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 2: and then they went with him, then you wouldn't have

1984
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 2: to pay them.

1985
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 1: Because now they've.

1986
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 2: Got a new job. So it always comes down the money, Michelle.

1987
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 2: Whenever you can't figure something out, it always comes down

1988
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 2: to the money.

1989
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 29: I wasn't thinking about that. I thought they could just

1990
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 29: make something work and get rid of them.

1991
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can fire them, but then you have to

1992
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:03,879
Speaker 2: pay him because they have contracts.

1993
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, well, I guess.

1994
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 29: It would depend on the contracts, right. I don't know

1995
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 29: anything about ther money, but yeah, I can't imagine their

1996
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 29: contracts is so big.

1997
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 2: No, but it's enough, you know, Like I'm sure that

1998
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 2: there's a budget for coaching, and it's a lot smaller

1999
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 2: than the budget for players, you know, right, so might

2000
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 2: have got a little bigger now that Bill's not here,

2001
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 2: you know, so there's more to spend on the other guys.

2002
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 2: But all right, thanks for the call, Michelle, appreciate it.

2003
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 2: Let's go down to Tennessee. Melvin's there.

2004
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 1: What's up? Melvin?

2005
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 13: Going on?

2006
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 12: Right?

2007
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 13: Quick?

2008
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 27: Quick?

2009
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:43,639
Speaker 13: One? Do you all think that Chris Jones from Kansas

2010
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 13: City is a Hall of Famer? And if so, well,

2011
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 13: I guess separate how part you think Christian Barmar is

2012
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 13: from him? Right now?

2013
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:56,600
Speaker 2: I would say no, I don't think he is, and

2014
01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:00,679
Speaker 2: right now Barmore isn't either, But we'll see. I mean,

2015
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 2: he's got to Barmore's got to get a little bit

2016
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 2: better and do it for seven.

2017
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 6: I would say Chris Jones is a Hall of Famer

2018
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 6: and his light years away from Barmore. I mean, if

2019
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 6: Barmore starts to do some of the stuff with versatility

2020
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 6: inside outside, disrupting games, making Pro Bowls and all pro teams,

2021
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 6: then that's different. Yeah, I mean we haven't seen that year.

2022
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:26,759
Speaker 1: The surface.

2023
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,600
Speaker 5: I mean Chris Jones is that he can rush from anywhere.

2024
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 5: You know, he saw Barmore take some strides this year.

2025
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 5: But I think he's still got a long way to

2026
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:34,799
Speaker 5: go before.

2027
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 6: He's I think Chris Jones and Aaron Donald, I think

2028
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 6: he's that disruptive. I think Aaron Donald's better and did

2029
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 6: it for longer, but Chris Jones is he's good.

2030
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 1: Ridiculously, I don't think I think he is.

2031
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 6: I just look at the best players in the game

2032
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 6: when they played, like he's to me a top ten

2033
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 6: player when he plays.

2034
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 5: And he's been the one constant on that defense. You know,

2035
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 5: it's I mean all kind of turned over around him.

2036
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 5: He's just continues to do what you need out of

2037
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 5: any defense, and that is getting out.

2038
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 6: To think of the baseball stuff ready that had to

2039
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 6: get you upset?

2040
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:08,640
Speaker 1: What who got in?

2041
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2042
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:11,720
Speaker 1: Yeahous it is ridiculous.

2043
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 5: Todd helped him little. Uh So. Tom Brady was was

2044
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 5: on Pat McFee day and he confirmed he is going

2045
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 5: to call the Super Bowl in twenty twenty five for

2046
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 5: Fox Really Little Breaking.

2047
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 1: He confirmed that confirmed it so in the booth, in

2048
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 1: the move, not in the studio.

2049
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 5: I mean, I.

2050
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 6: Guess people like I told you, I've talked to people

2051
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 6: from Fox and they are convinced that not only he

2052
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 6: will do it, but he will be good at it

2053
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 6: because he wants to learn and he's always asking questions.

2054
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 2: I listen, I anything that Tom Brady wants to do

2055
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 2: puts his mind to, I'm sure he will hit.

2056
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:48,639
Speaker 1: It out of the ball play.

2057
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2058
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:52,560
Speaker 6: My concern, My thing is whether or not whether or

2059
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 6: not he'll be forthcoming. Like I know that he can

2060
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,640
Speaker 6: try to do it, and like Fred said, he'll do

2061
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 6: it because he's maniacal, But will he be willing to

2062
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 6: call out the players?

2063
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, when he needs to.

2064
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 6: I'm not talking about ripping everybody for the sake of

2065
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 6: ripping people, right.

2066
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 1: But like, like he was a bad play and that

2067
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 1: guy did it, Like.

2068
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 6: He seems to be able to do that with the

2069
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 6: state of the game, like the play, Yeah, because these

2070
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 6: guys are nowhere near as good as he was. Yeah yeah, yeah,

2071
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 6: you know, he tells us all the time, But will

2072
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 6: he do that when he's actually talking about the games

2073
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 6: every week.

2074
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know how about Burke. You know

2075
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 2: Burkhart is their number one, right? How about him? Bill

2076
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 2: and Tom in the same booth, three man booth?

2077
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 6: No interest in that?

2078
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 1: You have no interest? What's wrong with you? I think

2079
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 1: that would be unbelievably fascinating? Are you kidding me?

2080
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 6: Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I just don't think

2081
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 6: that I was to say.

2082
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel has something to say. I would

2083
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:50,759
Speaker 5: be exciting.

2084
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 1: I'm a little skeptical he does.

2085
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 5: I'm a little skeptical about Brady though. I mean, and

2086
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 5: I agree with you, guys will probably work out it

2087
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:58,640
Speaker 5: and get better. But I just it's hard to like

2088
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 5: take the Tom Brady out of it, Like I like

2089
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:02,640
Speaker 5: Greg Olsen because I don't care who Greg Olsen. He

2090
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 5: just talks and gives insight and you know, but I

2091
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 5: just it's gonna be hard to not listen to this

2092
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 5: and be like, it's Brady Brady's talking right now, like

2093
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 5: Brady's giving his pay. I don't know, there's there's something weird.

2094
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 6: About it, and it'll be interesting.

2095
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 5: I've always just thought he was the one thing. I

2096
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 5: don't think he's great at as being an actor, like

2097
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 5: I just think, like you know, and he's kind of

2098
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 5: stilted sometimes on camera, and I don't know, I'm I

2099
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 5: I'm sure he'll be he'll work at it.

2100
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 6: So that's my Mike summed up my fear. I don't

2101
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:27,720
Speaker 6: think he's got that personality, and I don't think Bill

2102
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 6: has the person.

2103
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 2: So before the Super Bowl, Kevin Berger, Tom, you've been

2104
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:32,679
Speaker 2: in a lot of these what are these players thinking

2105
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 2: right now?

2106
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 6: It's about honor, your family's honor. So the other thing too,

2107
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 6: is and I know this is coming, like to Fred's point,

2108
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 6: like he'll throw this back in my face. I know

2109
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:47,360
Speaker 6: when it happens, he's gonna be like, you know, that's

2110
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 6: a good throw and they're down to pick up the

2111
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:52,639
Speaker 6: first time, did you guys here, Brady, he's so good,

2112
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 6: so refreshing, like I meang Golson Okay, Greg Olsen is

2113
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 6: perfect fine, yep, Okay. I think he I think he

2114
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 6: does a good job of analyzing the game. He doesn't

2115
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 6: say a lot of stupid stuff.

2116
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 1: And people think they think he's the.

2117
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 6: Greatest analyte who's ever come around, because it's not fit

2118
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 6: and I agree, it's not.

2119
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 5: He's good.

2120
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 6: He's good. I think he does a good job and

2121
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 6: it's not fair that he's going to be cast aside

2122
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 6: for Brady. I get it. But now because of that,

2123
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 6: everybody thinks he's the great. It's just like when Romo,

2124
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 6: you know, predicted a couple of plays before they happened

2125
01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 6: his first year. Now everybody hates Romo. He's doing the

2126
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 6: same stuff.

2127
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 5: Right, I mean, I just you never get it. But

2128
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:41,800
Speaker 5: but your Bill thing, Like if you could have Bill

2129
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 5: Belichick be like, here's what just happened on that play and.

2130
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 6: Like and everybody and everybody will lose their minds, Like

2131
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:53,479
Speaker 6: did you hear him talk about that trap block? Oh,

2132
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 6: he just sees the game in a different way, like,

2133
01:33:56,520 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 6: and Evan will be there like everybody else be.

2134
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 1: Like the guy, the guy is brilliant, And of.

2135
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:05,040
Speaker 6: Course he's brilliant, but no one cares.

2136
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 12: No.

2137
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:07,639
Speaker 6: But I think he We're not looking for brilliant out

2138
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 6: of our color animal.

2139
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 2: But I think he would figure out what works in

2140
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 2: the booth and yeah, I I you know, I don't

2141
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,840
Speaker 2: think he would just like, you know, let's talk about

2142
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:19,640
Speaker 2: the origin of the three four defense. I think he

2143
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 2: would give you stuff that like is really enlightening and

2144
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 2: in a different way.

2145
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna think. I'm just gonna be and Fred

2146
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 6: always makes fun of me for this, like things that

2147
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 6: haven't happened or whatever. I'll create the strong I'm going

2148
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 6: to tell you that you're going to be right, that

2149
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 6: that's the way it's going to be perceived. Okay, I'm

2150
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:41,559
Speaker 6: just going to tell you that it's going to be.

2151
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:43,879
Speaker 1: He's already setting it up no matter what happens.

2152
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 6: No, because if he's really good, I'll tell you you

2153
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:47,559
Speaker 6: know what. I didn't see it coming, but he was

2154
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 6: really good. Okay, but I'll guarantee you that that's going

2155
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 6: to be the perception show for the perception is going

2156
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 6: to be built. Belichick just said the word foot in

2157
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:58,560
Speaker 6: ball in the same sentence, Oh my god, mind.

2158
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 2: Blown one hundred percent be a certain portion of the

2159
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 2: football population. No matter what he does, it's going to be.

2160
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 6: Like I don't know, I don't know if you've heard,

2161
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 6: but he got an Emmy.

2162
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 1: Going to be good.

2163
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 6: He got an Emmy for for his role. On the

2164
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 6: other did he say anything that was at all like

2165
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 6: earth shattering?

2166
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:16,760
Speaker 1: That just shows you that whatever you pay for you'll

2167
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 1: get an Emmy for.

2168
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 6: But my point is he just like he's No, he's

2169
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 6: Bill Belichick, and that's what makes him different. And I

2170
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 6: get that, like hearing Bill Belichick say it carries more

2171
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 6: weight than hearing Mike do So say it. Hey, I

2172
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 6: understand that, but doesn't mean that Bill Belichick was any

2173
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 6: more insightful than Mike.

2174
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 5: Do say thank you.

2175
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 6: I brought it home for it.

2176
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 1: I think.

2177
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 5: Wicked handsome.

2178
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 2: I just think it'd be fascinating to hear Tom and

2179
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:48,799
Speaker 2: Bill in the same booth and like critical play happens,

2180
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 2: and Tom looking at it from the offensive side, Bill

2181
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 2: looking at it from the defensive side, analyzed, well, if

2182
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 2: that's the case, that would be too bad.

2183
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 6: They'll they'll say something and you guys will I hope.

2184
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 5: I just think that is something you haven't seen, though,

2185
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 5: is like Bill on a clock, like watching a play,

2186
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:08,800
Speaker 5: you know, like we've all seen him get do a

2187
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:10,759
Speaker 5: film thing and he's got it all broken down already

2188
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 5: for you. But it would be interesting to me just

2189
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:15,519
Speaker 5: to kind of experience it live and watch him take

2190
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 5: a play in and then what did what did you see?

2191
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 5: What stood out to you know? Where are his eyes going?

2192
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:20,800
Speaker 5: What is he watching that?

2193
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:22,559
Speaker 6: That to me would be see I could see him

2194
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:26,680
Speaker 6: next year with like his buddy Jimmy Johnson on that

2195
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 6: Fox pregame and they'll be yucking it up and oh

2196
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 6: my god, did you see did you see Bill? Did

2197
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:36,400
Speaker 6: you see? Like did you see them joking around? You

2198
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 6: see what is unbelievable, Like that's the personality he has

2199
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 6: behind the scenes that he doesn't let anybody like that's

2200
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:45,679
Speaker 6: what's going to happen. I'm telling you now, it's going

2201
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 6: to happen.

2202
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 1: See. You have to understand, Paul is not making fun

2203
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 1: of Bill here.

2204
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:54,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's making over the people that just like Paul

2205
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 5: as well as anybody on the planet has come out

2206
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 5: and make a fart noise.

2207
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 6: You are correct, You are correct. I'm not making fun

2208
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:02,720
Speaker 6: of Bill at all. His personality is what it is, right,

2209
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:07,760
Speaker 6: He's he's he's like sort of dry and you know, yeah,

2210
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 6: analytical like oh, like a truck driver when you get

2211
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 6: them away from the cameras, like that's another thing, like

2212
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:18,800
Speaker 6: you lose Brian and I got to watch him film

2213
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 6: with them once. It was unbelievable. It was unbelievable, but

2214
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 6: not like because not because I want to hear it

2215
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 6: like on the game like to your point live you know,

2216
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 6: as the plays are unfolding. The best guys can tell

2217
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:37,719
Speaker 6: you what happened on a play before they see the replay. Yeah,

2218
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 6: you know. And the worst guys are Chris Collins, right,

2219
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 6: who tell you what PFF said, which is so completely

2220
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:46,679
Speaker 6: transparent that he's that he's a part owner of the thing,

2221
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 6: right that everything, And you go and this is really

2222
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 6: all about the pressure of that nause You gotta tell

2223
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 6: Nick Bosa and then you watch the replay and he's

2224
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 6: like nowhere near that, right, Like, but Nick Bosa is

2225
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 6: like two in PFF's rankings or whatever. I'm just picking

2226
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 6: a guy I don't know who's actually second in past rushing.

2227
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:09,799
Speaker 1: But you know my point, Like Chris Collins, he's terrible.

2228
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 1: She hates his voice.

2229
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:13,800
Speaker 5: What about Jack Concert It's the same thing.

2230
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:14,519
Speaker 1: It's so funny.

2231
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 5: It's like, I got enough Chris Concerts. I don't need

2232
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 5: another like clone of him coming up.

2233
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:22,320
Speaker 6: I'll tell you, Mike, he's really talented and he would

2234
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 6: have gotten that job even if his name was Jack.

2235
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 5: So it's like he's just doing an impression of his

2236
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 5: dad the whole time.

2237
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:35,599
Speaker 1: Anyway, I would it is like he's doing Yeah, I would.

2238
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:38,920
Speaker 1: I would stream that Dyl and Tom in the booth.

2239
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:41,519
Speaker 1: I'd stream that. Oh yeah, you go to the effort

2240
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 1: of streaming it if.

2241
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:44,639
Speaker 5: You were you mean watching, you got your own things

2242
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:45,599
Speaker 5: going on with our game?

2243
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 1: You mean, do you ever like people can play? I

2244
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 1: would go to a third party.

2245
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 6: So do you ever listen to the Manning cast?

2246
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 1: No?

2247
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I would listen to them do that. Tom

2248
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:01,599
Speaker 6: and Bill do that, just like I do with with

2249
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:04,720
Speaker 6: Peyton and Eli, because I'd be curious to see, like,

2250
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 6: not under the bright lights of the actual game. They're

2251
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:11,480
Speaker 6: just kind of speaking off the cuff. That'd be interesting

2252
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 6: if they if they did it again. To Fred's point,

2253
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 6: they can't just be like, wow, that was a really

2254
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:17,599
Speaker 6: good time.

2255
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 2: But if they're really honest, if they're really honest, wouldn't

2256
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 2: it be been fascinating for Bill and Tom to have

2257
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:25,640
Speaker 2: done that Detroit game and talk about the decisions that

2258
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:29,000
Speaker 2: Campbell made honestly, honestly.

2259
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 1: It would be great.

2260
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 3: You know.

2261
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:35,320
Speaker 1: Anyway, Let's go to Trey in Memphis. What's up, Trey?

2262
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 16: Hey guys, I'll be going good man, I haven't called

2263
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 16: it a very very long time.

2264
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 1: I know where you've been. What's going on in Memphis?

2265
01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:44,759
Speaker 13: Man?

2266
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 16: I do a lot of listening calling and like a

2267
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:52,080
Speaker 16: lot of the things that I hear is just you know,

2268
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 16: a man can't take it. But two things, my person,

2269
01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 16: I want to say. You know, last night I was

2270
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 16: sitting in the house, man, I just thought about, you know,

2271
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:07,720
Speaker 16: you know, the past years, in the early pf W

2272
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:14,439
Speaker 16: years with of course you Fred, you, Paul, Andy Hard,

2273
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 16: you know, Erie Scallabino and callers like you know Cat

2274
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 16: Okay and that the legendary Nick Baby Love and I

2275
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:26,080
Speaker 16: just you.

2276
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 6: Know those days, man, uh, you can't replace those days.

2277
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 16: And I reflect on those days man, and you guys

2278
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:42,160
Speaker 16: would like really really trip us out of you know,

2279
01:40:42,280 --> 01:40:45,280
Speaker 16: those were great. Those were the days. And not saying

2280
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 16: you know that these days don't mean anything. I mean,

2281
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 16: but man, those were the days.

2282
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:52,879
Speaker 1: Well we have to create new days.

2283
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was waiting for.

2284
01:40:58,720 --> 01:40:59,080
Speaker 5: Those.

2285
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:02,679
Speaker 16: I don't think the pages can sit around us today.

2286
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:07,040
Speaker 16: Two and wait to get the quarterback because I think

2287
01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:09,559
Speaker 16: about his pains are gonna reach. You know, some guys

2288
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 16: are going to get over drafted on day one. And

2289
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:17,439
Speaker 16: even though guys the teams that have quarterbacks and some

2290
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:20,040
Speaker 16: of them may take their Green Bay pod, you know,

2291
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:22,720
Speaker 16: get a guy now and let them sit in there

2292
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:24,680
Speaker 16: and them learn. I mean, so what you guys think

2293
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 16: about it? And now I'll get off the car.

2294
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:28,240
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Trey.

2295
01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting and I like I like where he

2296
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:35,360
Speaker 6: went for some of the other teams that aren't necessarily

2297
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 6: looking for a quarterback, like I could I can make

2298
01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:40,040
Speaker 6: an argument for that, like if you get like a

2299
01:41:40,439 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 6: second round pick on a Boat Nicks, if you already

2300
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 6: have a quarterback something like that, JJ McCarthy.

2301
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:48,639
Speaker 5: I just wonder what it looks like the roster looks

2302
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:50,120
Speaker 5: like when you get to the draft, Like what kind

2303
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 5: of quarterbacks are on the roster when you even get there?

2304
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:54,840
Speaker 5: Like does it is it screaming we just have a

2305
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:58,439
Speaker 5: placeholder here? Or you know, is there a Kirk Cousins forbids?

2306
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:00,400
Speaker 5: Like I just there's no way. I mean, I don't

2307
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:01,719
Speaker 5: think there's any way we're getting in the draft.

2308
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:04,559
Speaker 6: And it's just not after that report tuts out on

2309
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 6: Kirk Cousins dollars.

2310
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's looking for two years ninety million guaranteed.

2311
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 1: The Patriots aren't giving.

2312
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:12,760
Speaker 6: Him that now, but should they.

2313
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:18,679
Speaker 1: If they were really close? Yeah? Maybe?

2314
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:23,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean so no, Yeah, maybe I agree with you.

2315
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:26,320
Speaker 6: I don't think they should give Yeah, it's like the question.

2316
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:27,960
Speaker 6: I also don't think Kirk Cousins would sign it to

2317
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 6: your ninety million dollar guaranteed contract to quarterback to patients.

2318
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:33,439
Speaker 2: So the question, the real question is should any team

2319
01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:35,959
Speaker 2: do it? And I think a team that is close shit, Yeah.

2320
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 5: I mean maybe this is a defeatist attitude, but like

2321
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:43,720
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes to uh Josh Allen, like, what realistically could

2322
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 5: the Patriots do to really get back into the top

2323
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:47,519
Speaker 5: of the AFC in the next two or three years?

2324
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 6: Like Kirk Cousins, they'd have to like, well, you.

2325
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:51,760
Speaker 5: Know, is that going to make any kind of dent

2326
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 5: in Mahomes is like not going to take Kansas City.

2327
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 6: Not if the roster is currently constituted. No, But like Atlanta,

2328
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:02,760
Speaker 6: if I was Minnesota, I'd give them that in a

2329
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:06,639
Speaker 6: heartbeat to stay. You know, I think the Falcons would

2330
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:08,680
Speaker 6: make sense. I think Washington would make sense. Bring them

2331
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:12,000
Speaker 6: back to Washington. Now, Washington's probably gonna draft one, so

2332
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:14,320
Speaker 6: it doesn't you know, it doesn't matter. But yeah, I

2333
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 6: think those kinds of teams that have a little bit

2334
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 6: more I mean, Washington probably doesn't fall in Atlanta, does.

2335
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:20,080
Speaker 6: It's Tampa.

2336
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:22,120
Speaker 30: Does I mean, is it stupid to just sit in

2337
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:24,519
Speaker 30: the AFC and be like, I don't know, guys, let's

2338
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:27,120
Speaker 30: just take our time because this this this this conference

2339
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:29,479
Speaker 30: is stacked right now for us to think about like

2340
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:34,480
Speaker 30: trying to leap frog Lamar Josh Allen to uh Mahomes.

2341
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:38,200
Speaker 30: That's why I made the comment the quarterback that would

2342
01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:40,280
Speaker 30: make the case that you're gonna jump any of those

2343
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:43,320
Speaker 30: teams like the Patriots, like the Chiefs I think were

2344
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 30: really comparable to the O six Patriots this year, and

2345
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:49,720
Speaker 30: that they kind of like they had played at a high,

2346
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:52,679
Speaker 30: high level and then the roster kind of like lagged

2347
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:55,920
Speaker 30: a little bit, and then they they found a way

2348
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:57,640
Speaker 30: to win some game, you know, like that win in

2349
01:43:57,720 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 30: San Diego, you know, still a proud champion, one of

2350
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:04,800
Speaker 30: those kind of things, yeah, you know, and then they

2351
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:06,960
Speaker 30: just reloaded and kept going. I think that's what Kansas

2352
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:09,599
Speaker 30: City's gonna end up doing. And I think people are

2353
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 30: going to look back.

2354
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:12,599
Speaker 5: You know, this was the year you could have got him.

2355
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:15,400
Speaker 6: You you had a chance to get him when they

2356
01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:16,120
Speaker 6: went down and you.

2357
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:16,880
Speaker 5: Still couldn't do it.

2358
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:22,240
Speaker 6: Baltimore Buffalo, like you had, you had every opportunity in

2359
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:25,400
Speaker 6: your buildings to beat a team that was flawed and

2360
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 6: you still couldn't do it.

2361
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:27,920
Speaker 5: Not to mention Burrow was out of the way this

2362
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:28,320
Speaker 5: year too.

2363
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:30,760
Speaker 1: You want to take a swing at the King, you best.

2364
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:32,599
Speaker 6: Not miss and they missed.

2365
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:33,000
Speaker 10: Yep.

2366
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:36,719
Speaker 2: Miles from State College rights in. I'm in the library

2367
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 2: studying for an exam right now. I hope this doesn't

2368
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:41,320
Speaker 2: make you guys or any listeners rip their hair out.

2369
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:44,599
Speaker 2: But I love Mac. I think he's been screwed over

2370
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 2: here and has the potential to be great. I think

2371
01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 2: we could be a playoff team next year if Josh

2372
01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:51,920
Speaker 2: McDaniels comes back as the OC in the in they

2373
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:54,639
Speaker 2: draft Marvin Harrison Junior. Do you think there's any chance

2374
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:56,519
Speaker 2: that happens and what are your thoughts on that.

2375
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:58,320
Speaker 1: I think you better keep studying.

2376
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:00,720
Speaker 6: I think there's a chance at happens. I don't think

2377
01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:02,479
Speaker 6: there's any chance to make the playoffs doing that.

2378
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:06,960
Speaker 5: I don't either. I mean, I respect that the people

2379
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 5: think that, you know, Mac got done a little dirty like,

2380
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:12,959
Speaker 5: but I also just think based on what we've watched games,

2381
01:45:13,439 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 5: preseason practices, joint practices, like you would have saw something

2382
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:21,200
Speaker 5: more that like made you feel like it's in there,

2383
01:45:21,240 --> 01:45:23,040
Speaker 5: we can get it out of him, And it doesn't

2384
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 5: seem like Bill was even interested, really in trying to

2385
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:27,360
Speaker 5: pull it out of him. You know, like the only

2386
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:30,160
Speaker 5: thing Bill really did was just refused to kind of

2387
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:32,880
Speaker 5: acknowledge you as the starter and kind of continue like

2388
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:35,599
Speaker 5: he's in competition. He needs to continue to, you know,

2389
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:38,400
Speaker 5: work his hardest to secure this job. I'm not going

2390
01:45:38,439 --> 01:45:42,479
Speaker 5: to hand him anything. I just I I don't know.

2391
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:44,840
Speaker 6: The other part of that. That Mass Live story that

2392
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:49,599
Speaker 6: I thought was interesting. You mentioned the Stinger thing earlier,

2393
01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:57,040
Speaker 6: his sort of acknowledgment like Geno Smith, like that's I

2394
01:45:57,080 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 6: think he thinks that's where he's headed. Yeah, like I'm

2395
01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:01,760
Speaker 6: gonna have to go somewhere and be a backup for

2396
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 6: a little while before I get another shot. Which I

2397
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:08,439
Speaker 6: think he's right to be thinking that way. But I

2398
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:10,840
Speaker 6: think that's even telling you where he is. I think

2399
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:13,640
Speaker 6: you've already seen the best he has to offer. I

2400
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:16,880
Speaker 6: think the best he has to offer to me was

2401
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:20,640
Speaker 6: week one through week ten of his rookie year, and

2402
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:22,840
Speaker 6: I don't think that he's capable of playing better than that.

2403
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think he had a pretty good

2404
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:31,840
Speaker 2: game in Minnesota last year. You know, so I think

2405
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:35,080
Speaker 2: that week one through ten, Paul his rookie year. He

2406
01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:36,679
Speaker 2: was so highly managed.

2407
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:38,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I think. That's the best thing he

2408
01:46:38,240 --> 01:46:41,240
Speaker 6: could be. Well, then that's not good right now, And

2409
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:42,920
Speaker 6: I'm not telling you he didn't have like a good

2410
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:47,200
Speaker 6: pass in any time after that. But are they doing

2411
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:48,599
Speaker 6: the fourth quarter of that Minnesota again?

2412
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:50,360
Speaker 1: No, he faltered.

2413
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 6: He had a good because that's what he does.

2414
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:56,000
Speaker 1: He had a decent game against Buffalo this year, you know, yep.

2415
01:46:56,360 --> 01:46:58,640
Speaker 5: It's just not traits to gamble, No, you know, like

2416
01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:01,519
Speaker 5: if there were traits, he could like, nah, well he's

2417
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:02,200
Speaker 5: always gonna.

2418
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 6: Have a rocket arm, right, And every quarterback has a

2419
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:06,680
Speaker 6: good game once in a while, like Nick Mullins threw

2420
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:10,559
Speaker 6: for four hundred yards. Even bad quarterbacks have good games.

2421
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:14,800
Speaker 2: Natean Boulder says, darn you, Fred and Paul. You curse

2422
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 2: the lines by mentioning how you were worried about coach

2423
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:20,280
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell making a bonehead decision and ruining your chances

2424
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:22,160
Speaker 2: of going to the super Bowl, and darn it. All

2425
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:24,120
Speaker 2: through the game, I kept on thinking he was about

2426
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 2: to make a bonehead decision, particularly by going forward on

2427
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:29,200
Speaker 2: fourth and two when he didn't need to, and he

2428
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:32,719
Speaker 2: did it twice, so yeah.

2429
01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:34,240
Speaker 6: He should have done it three times. I think you

2430
01:47:34,240 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 6: should have gone for the one at the end of

2431
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:39,640
Speaker 6: the half, like you kick the field goal there. Like

2432
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:42,679
Speaker 6: to me, that was a free one because you don't lose,

2433
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:46,840
Speaker 6: like the other team is gonna if you don't get it.

2434
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:48,639
Speaker 6: The other team's on the two yard line or whatever

2435
01:47:48,680 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 6: it was the one yard line and it's the end

2436
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:53,120
Speaker 6: of the half, so you're not gonna get up any points.

2437
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:54,599
Speaker 6: I think that was a free shot to go.

2438
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:57,720
Speaker 2: For Andre New Jersey not listening live, But when it

2439
01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:01,040
Speaker 2: comes to the NFC Championship game, which was a good game,

2440
01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:03,160
Speaker 2: by the way, let me take a guess what happened

2441
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:06,320
Speaker 2: in the household of Paul and Evan when watching this game.

2442
01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:07,400
Speaker 1: Paul's in his.

2443
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:09,840
Speaker 2: Man cave is recliner chugging a couple of leaders of

2444
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:10,599
Speaker 2: diet pepsi.

2445
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:13,160
Speaker 1: Was it diet pepsi? Your diet, diet diet?

2446
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:15,479
Speaker 6: It was Sunday night, Diapepsi.

2447
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:17,559
Speaker 2: Seeing the Lions and fourth down three to tie the

2448
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:20,559
Speaker 2: ball instead of they went for it, Paul, my guest says,

2449
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:22,920
Speaker 2: here we go again with this buffoon of a coach.

2450
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:24,720
Speaker 2: Costing his team to go to the Super Bowl. Just

2451
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:26,000
Speaker 2: kick the damn field.

2452
01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:28,479
Speaker 6: Goal, surprising you. I didn't do that. I do think

2453
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:29,960
Speaker 6: you should have kicked the second one.

2454
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:32,080
Speaker 1: Then he woke up Beth from her good night's sleep

2455
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:32,880
Speaker 1: with all that yelling.

2456
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:35,880
Speaker 6: Evan, Beth was mad Death wanted Detroit and she was

2457
01:48:35,960 --> 01:48:37,200
Speaker 6: really invested in Detroit.

2458
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:37,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2459
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,559
Speaker 2: Evan was watching the game with Jess, especially seeing the

2460
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:42,439
Speaker 2: second half of the nine as he turns to her

2461
01:48:42,479 --> 01:48:45,160
Speaker 2: and said, boy, that pretty guy. I really owe him

2462
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:47,200
Speaker 2: an apology. Did you see the way he ran? I

2463
01:48:47,240 --> 01:48:49,639
Speaker 2: thought I was seeing Josh Allen out there while having

2464
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:51,760
Speaker 2: a poster of Joe Ault next to his television.

2465
01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:58,360
Speaker 6: See the pretty stuff to me is interesting, Like I

2466
01:48:58,360 --> 01:49:00,400
Speaker 6: don't think he really did anything. I mean, he had

2467
01:49:00,439 --> 01:49:02,200
Speaker 6: a couple of runs, a couple of runs, had a

2468
01:49:02,200 --> 01:49:05,519
Speaker 6: couple of runs and got away and made plays and

2469
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:07,200
Speaker 6: that's you know the people that say those are the

2470
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:11,360
Speaker 6: things that he does that. I agree. He's better off

2471
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:15,200
Speaker 6: platform than even like I said, like the Jared Goff,

2472
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:19,840
Speaker 6: he's much better under pressure off platform than golf. But like,

2473
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:24,240
Speaker 6: literally the whole second half, and I know that it's

2474
01:49:24,280 --> 01:49:26,600
Speaker 6: not like he completed a fifty one yard bomb. That

2475
01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:29,360
Speaker 6: was perfect. He threw a ball off the other team's

2476
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 6: face he had for fifty one yard. You take that

2477
01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:35,120
Speaker 6: out and it's the same like he did.

2478
01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 1: He did really not sound like Evan.

2479
01:49:38,360 --> 01:49:43,360
Speaker 6: I'm more on party side than Evans sound like it.

2480
01:49:44,280 --> 01:49:46,240
Speaker 6: I just called it because I call it like I

2481
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 6: see it. Fred, I don't just get cornered in my tape.

2482
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:50,360
Speaker 1: I thought he had a good game, Okay.

2483
01:49:50,439 --> 01:49:53,559
Speaker 6: I thought he was really thoroughly average in both games.

2484
01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:55,759
Speaker 1: I thought his line wasn't that great.

2485
01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:57,400
Speaker 6: And I agree with his line. His line stinks.

2486
01:49:57,400 --> 01:49:59,840
Speaker 1: I think he stood in there, took some hits.

2487
01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:02,880
Speaker 6: I agree with the taking hits and making some plays.

2488
01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:04,960
Speaker 6: I don't think he played well, all right, and I don't.

2489
01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:08,000
Speaker 6: He played better than he did against Green Bay, but

2490
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:08,840
Speaker 6: not by a lot.

2491
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:12,240
Speaker 1: Well, okay, he's still learning.

2492
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:13,840
Speaker 6: And if he does that still, like I said, I

2493
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:15,720
Speaker 6: don't think Kansas City will hand him the game if

2494
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:17,160
Speaker 6: they if they do that again.

2495
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:18,719
Speaker 1: Tony's in Canada.

2496
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:23,960
Speaker 17: Hey Tony, Hi, guys, just listening to this show. And

2497
01:50:25,479 --> 01:50:28,759
Speaker 17: I have to agree with Mac Jones. I was hopeful

2498
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:32,240
Speaker 17: that he would turn out to be the quarterback, you know,

2499
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:34,880
Speaker 17: the franchise quarterback it just didn't work out that way.

2500
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:38,280
Speaker 17: I'm wondering if you guys checked out or heard Tom

2501
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:44,880
Speaker 17: Currian's podcast he interviewed Joe Dixon, quarterback coach for Mac Jones,

2502
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:48,559
Speaker 17: and what your thoughts were about that. I'll get off

2503
01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:53,840
Speaker 17: the air right away. My view is Mac might be

2504
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:56,960
Speaker 17: that guy to hold sort of like hold that position

2505
01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 17: for the next year, maybe bring him back on a

2506
01:50:59,320 --> 01:51:02,720
Speaker 17: rookie contract with the one year is last year. But

2507
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:04,880
Speaker 17: we have to go back in. We have to find

2508
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:07,439
Speaker 17: that franchise quarterback, and it's going to be a crap shoote.

2509
01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:09,760
Speaker 17: So I'll go off the air and I'll listen to

2510
01:51:09,800 --> 01:51:10,120
Speaker 17: you guys.

2511
01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:12,519
Speaker 1: Thinks Okay, I.

2512
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:15,920
Speaker 6: Didn't either, But I'm just kind of curious as to

2513
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:19,120
Speaker 6: why people want Mac to be that guy. Why are

2514
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 6: people interested in that? Like, if you're going to do that,

2515
01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:25,400
Speaker 6: if you don't have anybody like to your point, I

2516
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:28,200
Speaker 6: think you put it Mike. You know, it depends on

2517
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:31,320
Speaker 6: what that looks like at the time, Like is it

2518
01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:34,880
Speaker 6: cousins or someone or is it just or is it

2519
01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:38,719
Speaker 6: just you know, or is there no Mac and Zapie?

2520
01:51:39,479 --> 01:51:42,200
Speaker 6: Why is anybody interested if that's what it ends up being,

2521
01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:45,880
Speaker 6: Like you didn't get anybody, You couldn't sign anybody. Wouldn't

2522
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:47,400
Speaker 6: you rather have ZAPPI play next year?

2523
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:50,960
Speaker 5: I mean I think I would, Yeah, I mean just

2524
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:52,000
Speaker 5: for the less drama.

2525
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:53,679
Speaker 1: Well, I don't.

2526
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:55,920
Speaker 6: I don't necessarily think it's less drama. I think he

2527
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:58,880
Speaker 6: played better than Mac did. It wasn't by a lot,

2528
01:51:58,960 --> 01:51:59,759
Speaker 6: but he played better.

2529
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:02,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think I would pause it that the

2530
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:05,280
Speaker 5: team would be more likely to get behind Zappy.

2531
01:52:05,400 --> 01:52:06,760
Speaker 6: Did you just have to redo your check?

2532
01:52:07,240 --> 01:52:10,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, Gollo bump littlecture in there for you.

2533
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:11,240
Speaker 1: Actually it went down.

2534
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:15,200
Speaker 6: I know, Well, I'm not going to I'm not I'm

2535
01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:16,640
Speaker 6: not going to not approved.

2536
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:21,599
Speaker 2: Not approved. Yeah, So I know I get what Paul

2537
01:52:21,720 --> 01:52:26,160
Speaker 2: is saying. I would be disappointed if either one of them.

2538
01:52:26,040 --> 01:52:30,679
Speaker 6: Is Oh Fred, absolutely absolutely. I don't want any part

2539
01:52:30,720 --> 01:52:33,000
Speaker 6: of that. Yeah, But I'm just saying if they get

2540
01:52:33,080 --> 01:52:38,080
Speaker 6: stuck the way Mike explained, I don't understand why people

2541
01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:39,240
Speaker 6: are interested in Mac.

2542
01:52:39,800 --> 01:52:42,200
Speaker 2: To be the the to be the placeholder is like

2543
01:52:42,280 --> 01:52:46,000
Speaker 2: what Yeah, so I just don't want all me you know,

2544
01:52:46,240 --> 01:52:46,759
Speaker 2: but it doesn't.

2545
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:48,960
Speaker 6: But it doesn't make any sense if even if he

2546
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:52,000
Speaker 6: plays well, Let's say he plays well, and it's like

2547
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:56,280
Speaker 6: this miraculous story. Yeap, Now you you want to give

2548
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:58,920
Speaker 6: him forty million, right if you don't pick the option

2549
01:52:59,080 --> 01:53:01,240
Speaker 6: because you know it next you know, there's almost nothing

2550
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:04,400
Speaker 6: he could do for you to want him back at

2551
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:07,960
Speaker 6: that money. Right, let's say thirty five million. Let's just

2552
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:10,920
Speaker 6: call it thirty five million a year. There's almost nothing

2553
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:13,799
Speaker 6: he could do that most Patriots fans would want to

2554
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:16,360
Speaker 6: invest in him like that. So what do you to?

2555
01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:16,800
Speaker 5: What end?

2556
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:18,320
Speaker 6: To what end?

2557
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:18,759
Speaker 5: He plays?

2558
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:20,519
Speaker 6: He plays well and then you're going to lose in

2559
01:53:20,600 --> 01:53:24,559
Speaker 6: the year, or he plays the same that he's played

2560
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:26,960
Speaker 6: the last two and a half years and you stink

2561
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:28,120
Speaker 6: again because.

2562
01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:29,559
Speaker 1: Of him, and you get another high draft pick.

2563
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:34,679
Speaker 6: So there's another one. I'm on Felger with. Yeah, Felger's

2564
01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:39,519
Speaker 6: big thing is don't you don't take the quarterback? You

2565
01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:42,760
Speaker 6: know in three you're looking at you. If his big

2566
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:44,760
Speaker 6: thing was if you had that Miami trade where you

2567
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:48,160
Speaker 6: went from twelve to three with San Francisco. San Francisco

2568
01:53:48,200 --> 01:53:50,880
Speaker 6: went from twelve to three and they got all these

2569
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:52,920
Speaker 6: guys and he rattles off all the names. He also

2570
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:55,200
Speaker 6: adds first round picks that they didn't get because he

2571
01:53:55,240 --> 01:53:58,559
Speaker 6: counts switching from twelve to three as a first round pick, right,

2572
01:53:59,320 --> 01:54:02,080
Speaker 6: which that's not how it works. But he goes through

2573
01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:03,880
Speaker 6: the whole thing. You wouldn't want to do that, and

2574
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:07,000
Speaker 6: then and then like I would, I would definitely do that,

2575
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:08,639
Speaker 6: especially if you could do it with like a team

2576
01:54:08,680 --> 01:54:10,439
Speaker 6: who you think is going to be very good, and

2577
01:54:10,439 --> 01:54:12,439
Speaker 6: then you'll have well, why do you care how the

2578
01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:15,160
Speaker 6: team is? You obviously have no interest in the third pick,

2579
01:54:15,360 --> 01:54:18,120
Speaker 6: how much higher than three you're gonna get. You don't

2580
01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:20,400
Speaker 6: want to take the number three pick, right, but you're

2581
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:22,479
Speaker 6: interested in how bad the team is that you're trading with,

2582
01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:24,680
Speaker 6: so it can be another high pick next year. You

2583
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:27,600
Speaker 6: don't care about the high pick now, Like the philosophies

2584
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:30,360
Speaker 6: is so flawed. If you want to trade and trade down,

2585
01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:31,960
Speaker 6: I think there's a good argument to be made for that,

2586
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:35,440
Speaker 6: But that's because you couldn't get a quarterback, right, So

2587
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:37,760
Speaker 6: I don't want to take a tackle at three or

2588
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 6: Marvin Harrison at three.

2589
01:54:39,400 --> 01:54:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to Travis in Greensboro, North Carolina.

2590
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:46,320
Speaker 1: Hey, Travis, Hey, my caller.

2591
01:54:46,200 --> 01:54:48,760
Speaker 4: Is the same as the previous caller. Okay, how about

2592
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:51,840
Speaker 4: the Mats quarterback coach? So he went on Tom Kerrn

2593
01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:55,760
Speaker 4: and he basically stated that he advised Matt to get

2594
01:54:55,800 --> 01:54:59,640
Speaker 4: a trade after his first year, Yeah, because he saw that,

2595
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:03,240
Speaker 4: you know, Bill Belichick wasn't put in the stuff he

2596
01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:06,120
Speaker 4: needed to be supporter. And I kind of look at

2597
01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:08,960
Speaker 4: it and basically was saying that the reason Matt one

2598
01:55:08,960 --> 01:55:11,680
Speaker 4: of his struggles was it was all in his head,

2599
01:55:12,200 --> 01:55:16,360
Speaker 4: like having to replace Tom Brady, not having an offensive line.

2600
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:18,720
Speaker 4: So for that reason, I kind of feel for Matt.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to be better than what

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Speaker 4: he is, but I think they just could have did

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Speaker 4: more for him. Yeah, considering who he was replacing. You know,

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Speaker 4: the Boston media, you know, no weapons.

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Speaker 6: And Boston media point on. The Boston media loved Mac

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01:55:36,640 --> 01:55:40,320
Speaker 6: Jones his first year, absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Loved saying about everything and stuff they're still complaining.

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Speaker 6: Yeah no, that's okay, that's like a nineteen seventy eight

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Speaker 6: view of the Boston media, Thanks Travis. The Boston media

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Speaker 6: was absolutely in love with Mac Jones his rookie year.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I was a lone voice in the wilderness.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and now all of a sudden he was

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Speaker 6: heavily man right again.

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Speaker 1: Uh Shaddy in Houston.

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Speaker 6: You know, Richard Seymour yeah, I don't get them all right, fresh.

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Speaker 2: Just a note on the ro Quand penalty. This is

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Speaker 2: the one where he you know, ran he had to

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Speaker 2: do a personal foul. As the Chiefs could have declined

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01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:19,720
Speaker 2: the off size penalty and time was the most important factor.

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Speaker 1: They're not yets. You can't decline a pre snap penalty,

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Speaker 1: can you.

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Speaker 6: They could, but that that's dumb if they if they did,

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01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:33,560
Speaker 6: that would be dumb, right, Like, you run the risk. Still,

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Speaker 6: you run the risk of not getting five yards if

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Speaker 6: you turn that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still the same down, it's not you know,

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Speaker 2: like there's no advantage to decline.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think technically he's right. Technically he's right,

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Speaker 6: but that doesn't mean you get a fifteen yard penalty.

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01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:52,120
Speaker 6: You personal foul like that you didn't. I don't think

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Speaker 6: that was the only thing, you you know, maybe it was,

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Speaker 6: But he could be right. Maybe maybe Kansas City would

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01:56:57,880 --> 01:57:00,280
Speaker 6: it would have declined the penalty to make it stay

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Speaker 6: first and five instead of first and ten. Maybe they

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Speaker 6: would have.

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Speaker 1: Alex and Raleigh.

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Speaker 2: Someone tell that kid to study harder and pray he

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Speaker 2: doesn't become a football coach. Mac is done here and

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01:57:11,720 --> 01:57:14,000
Speaker 2: if he comes back, the tank is still on even

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01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:17,440
Speaker 2: with mail Max should have never been drafted by the Patriots.

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01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:19,800
Speaker 2: No clue what people still see in him.

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01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:22,720
Speaker 6: And just to and again, I give the email a

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Speaker 6: credit for thinking outside the box. If Kansas City declined it,

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Speaker 6: so the clock's still not running. Now you gotta do

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Speaker 6: it do it again?

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, all right?

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Speaker 2: Before we leave, I just want to say, whether you're

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Speaker 1: Safe bets, none of your dumb bets, Mike.

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Speaker 1: Wow, so mouthfuls a lot. In other words, don't be stupid.

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Speaker 2: Only bet what you can lose, and don't chase your

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Speaker 2: loss chase all right right.

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Speaker 6: Paul, right, Fred, I haven't made a bet in a

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Speaker 6: long time. Okay, all right, I've been smart with that,

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Speaker 6: wicked smart.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of babies, you know, they get like

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Speaker 1: a little blanket when they're a little baby. Paul got

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Speaker 1: a book huh yeah, really yeah, he was making body reading.

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Speaker 1: Oh you mean like a book book, yeah, book book.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's gonna be it for this edition of

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Speaker 2: Pages Unfiltered. We'll be back on Thursday tomorrow. Cash twenty

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Speaker 1: of course. Evan from mobile. We'll see you Thursday.

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Speaker 8: As I think back over the past few seasons, I

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