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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 1: that brings you the secret history and little known facts

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Speaker 1: behind your favorite music, movies, TV shows, and more. We

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Speaker 1: are your masters of the minut show. My name is

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Speaker 1: Jordan run Tug and I'm Alex Hegel, and today we're

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Speaker 1: gonna look back at the ultimate test of physical and

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Speaker 1: mental endurance for a generation of kids. I am talking,

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Speaker 1: of course, about Legends of the Hidden Temple, Nickelodeon's bull

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Speaker 1: attempt at blending Double Dare with Indiana Jones while exclusively

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Speaker 1: using items purchased from Party City. Yes, the set was cheap,

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Speaker 1: the stories were hokey, But I watched this show religiously

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Speaker 1: after school because it was a crucial reminder that no

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Speaker 1: matter how bad my day went in third grade, at

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Speaker 1: least I wasn't getting manhandled by a man in a

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Speaker 1: headdress or falling into lukewarm water on national television. Did

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Speaker 1: you watch this a lot growing up? This was like

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Speaker 1: a big thing for me. Did you harborand visions to

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Speaker 1: be on the show? No? I um mine was the

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Speaker 1: aggro crag one, Okay, I very I mean I was

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Speaker 1: also like belying my extremely sedentary lifestyle, lives mostly indoors,

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Speaker 1: I was a really like backyard ninja kid. I was

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Speaker 1: I mean I was. Yeah, yeah, I would watch guts

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Speaker 1: and be like those puts is, how dare they? Why

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Speaker 1: I think it was it was the aggro crack, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just more impressive. There was an a limpic element to it,

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Speaker 1: Like wasn't there the international global guts didn't they have?

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Speaker 1: Like I just wanted to beat a Frenchman. I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to beat a young French child m for the

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Speaker 1: honor of my country on the igro crack. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to break him on the wheel of pain. Continue. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I guess I you know, legends for me,

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Speaker 1: the kind of Indiana Jones nature of legends kind of

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Speaker 1: of these Nickelodeon game shows just in general was that

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Speaker 1: this era, kids are basically born knowing how to be

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Speaker 1: to see clips where, you know, contestants are so insanely

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Speaker 1: and um, you know, it taught many kids and very

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Speaker 1: important lessons. Don't trust giant stone heads. Yes, that is right.

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Speaker 1: Danger lurks around every corner anyway, from the possible, possibly

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Speaker 1: factual connection that the show has to the Sopranos, to

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Speaker 1: the man trapped inside the aforementioned stone head, to the

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Speaker 1: I refused to believe that this man's actual name is

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Speaker 1: Kirk Fogg, but to the host, Kirk Fogg, here is

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Speaker 1: everything you didn't know about Legends of the Hidden Temple.

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Speaker 1: Legends of the Hidden Temple was the brainchild of three gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: David G. Stanley, Scott A. Stone, and Stephen Brown, who

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Speaker 1: together formed the Stone Stanley production squad. And these guys

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Speaker 1: were fairly heavy hitters. Scott Stone and David G. Stanley

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Speaker 1: helped create The Mole, the Man Show, Love Line and

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Speaker 1: My Favorite Shop Till You Drop. But Stephen Brown has

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Speaker 1: something even more interesting on his resume. And I wasn't

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Speaker 1: able to confirm this. It's not on his IMDb page,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, this trio of gentlemen planned to create a

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Speaker 1: And these legends usually drew on historical figure and an

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Speaker 1: David Cronenberg movie, Ole Mac was a hideous mixture of

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Speaker 1: They got the twins because you could have them on

426
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: and off and alternate. Yeah, no, I probably, Yeah, I'm sure. Um,

427
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: as one might expect on a set where the chief

428
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 1: special effect was something rigged up from a radio check

429
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: just go ball, many of the prop's malfunctioned bucket lifts

430
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: would be missing and doors would stick shut, and every

431
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 1: time this happened, the team would have to start the

432
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 1: Temple runs again. Um, this is interesting. The wheel from

433
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: the wheel Room was a leftover prop from Double Dare,

434
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: so eventually, yeah, how about that? Uh. They eventually worked

435
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 1: out most of the kinks, but even in later seasons

436
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 1: the experience of running the Temple is reportedly not pleasant

437
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 1: for most of these kids. We go back to our

438
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: friend Nicole, who spoke to crack dot com. She described

439
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: the Temple as quote a mix between a cheap haunted

440
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: house and a McDonald's play place. And she also complained

441
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: that the backside of the temple sets just were bare plywood.

442
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: She said, yeah, they didn't even bother painting the side

443
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 1: that wasn't on camera, Like, look, we know it wasn't

444
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: an actual temple or anything, but you think they put

445
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 1: out some kind of petile effort to make it less

446
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: sad for the contestants. She said, it's almost as if

447
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: they enjoyed disillusioning them. I don't know, I will say

448
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: that kind of seems like an unreasonable complain. Of course,

449
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm not going to paint the back of a set,

450
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: but still I personally enjoyed this theory. Really have we

451
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: have going on where the kids just hated children created

452
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: the show to punish them. Nicole would go on to

453
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: say that the only thing worse than hanging out backstage

454
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: was actually entering the temple. She said, this is the quote.

455
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: The stage was like coming into a nightmare. It was darker,

456
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: smoke was there. You saw a kid after kid coming

457
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: in looking exhausted or crying or something else terrible, and

458
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: then you went in there was actually dread there. Cheap

459
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: effects are not it was a sense of foreboding. It

460
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: just because they kept playing Alan split score to erase

461
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: her head in the background's picturing something out of like Apocalypse. Now,

462
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: good lord, rats in here, Michael. Long time listeners of

463
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: the podcast will know that I consistently referenced the scene

464
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: from Deer Hunter, Uh, in which characters submerged in a

465
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: pow has submerged in a river in a wooden cage,

466
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: much like Legends of the Hidden Temple. And yeah, and

467
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: uh there were rats swarming on him, and so he shouts,

468
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: there's rats in here, Michael. And that was not in

469
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: the script. That was an actual thing that happened to him.

470
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: He was not talking to the character named Michael, but

471
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: to the film's director, Michael Simono, who would later go

472
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: on to blow up a horse. If I am remembering correctly,

473
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: he's the reason. He's the reason that there's the peta

474
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: thing in every movie right now, right from Keaven's Gate.

475
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm not making that up. He blew up a horse,

476
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: all right, Cool, moving on, it's the vibe for this.

477
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: Adding to this weird feeling as you entered the temple

478
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: was the fact that the audience had usually gone home

479
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: by the time the Temple runs are recorded because it

480
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: was so it at night, the studio closed to guests. Jesus,

481
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: they just did this to an empty studio and children

482
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: crying and throwing up in an empty room so he

483
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: filling with dry fog, and a middle aged man yelling

484
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: at them from the sidelines. This is unimaginaively grim and

485
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: a giant rubber head laughing whenever a problem occurred. Yeah,

486
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: I mean, so there's the whole sense of foreboding. Yeah,

487
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: I get that. That makes sense. And I guess they

488
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: dubbed in like an audience track after for the Temple runs,

489
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: just to make it seem like it wasn't this, you know,

490
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: dead studio. So that's weird. I guess I should add,

491
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: for legal reasons that the show eventually got the shoot

492
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: day down to just twelve hours instead of eighteen. They

493
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: also had a nurse on set in case of emergencies.

494
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: Apparently no kids were ever seriously harmed, though a girl

495
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: did once vomit into the pit of despair who among us?

496
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: Though uh this delayed the shoot for a not insignificant

497
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: out of time. But these nurses were unable to do

498
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: anything for the emotional wounds inflicted by the Temple Guards.

499
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: Alex Oh tell us about the Temple Guards folks as

500
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: these children at the end of their ropes uh literal physical, metaphysical, metaphorical, emotional, spiritual, spiritual,

501
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: running through an empty TV studio in front of a

502
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: bunch of piste off teamsters stuffed with pizza, having seen

503
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: their peers sent home in tears with a can of

504
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: stark His Tuna. Suddenly, as you're running your way through

505
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: ap plywood maze in the dark, the scent of dry

506
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: eyes clogging your tiny nostrils, Strange men in pseudo Mayan

507
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: outfits burst out of random corners, attempting to seize your

508
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: hard earned pendance of life by force, which teaches children

509
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: an important lesson about the way that life actually works.

510
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: Stranger danger. They actually grabbed these kids, man, Yeah, I

511
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: had to like rewatch some of those clips to like

512
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: make sure that was right, because that was how I

513
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: remembered it. And good lord, yeah they grab them. Yeah,

514
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: of course these people were just lowly production assistance or

515
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: even shows writers. God, can you I mention being low

516
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: enough in the writer's room, totem Pole that they're like,

517
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: we ran out of p a s. You're in the headdress.

518
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: I went to screenwriting school. I can very much imagine that. Yes, yeah,

519
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: I guess sure you can. Um, but yeah, man, I

520
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: mean I don't know. Kids have their breaking point and

521
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: after hours of this nonsense running through this terrifying set,

522
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: as unforgiving cameras capture their every move before millions of

523
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: members of the viewing public, these temple guards understandably push

524
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: many of these kids over the edge. So according to

525
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: one of the many Nickelodeon fan sites that are around

526
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: the internet, they crunched the numbers on this stuff, like

527
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: the wind loss ratio of the different teams of contestants

528
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: on the show. Cried after here being scared by a

529
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: temple guard anecdotally seems to scan haven't gone through all

530
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: the tapes yet. We've got Jamie working on it. Um,

531
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: we'll get back to you. And again anecdotal evidence backs

532
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: this up. A lot of the former contestants talk about

533
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: it as something that has stuck with them to this

534
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: very day. One woman named Keeley told sp nation dot Com,

535
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: in the sight of a temple guard reduced her to tears,

536
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: saying they are the scariest thing imaginable. Nothing is scarier

537
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: and I will stand by that statement until the day

538
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: I die. I'm thirty one and I can't go to

539
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: haunted houses. I'm definitely afraid of things popping out of

540
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: closets and doors. Another ex contestant says she wrote a

541
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: paper for her high school English class about the scariest

542
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: things she ever saw, and she revisited her temple guard experience.

543
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: Yet another ex contestants said, those guardians picked up at

544
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: least a few kids lives. I know that for a fact,

545
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: but not every child lapse in the face of unimaginable whore.

546
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: Didn't go down without a fight. They went down. They

547
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: did not go gentle into that good night, as some

548
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: of these kids fought back, literally elbowing the men in

549
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: the crotch. Um. Good for that, uh. And Kirk Fogg

550
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: legendary television host Kirk Fogg, I just want to keep

551
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: saying his name. Give myself different reasons to say that. Uh.

552
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: In his BuzzFeed interview, he sympathized with the kids. He said,

553
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: come on, you are completely invested in going through that temple.

554
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: So just think about when you're going through a temple, Okay,

555
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: I will. You're trying to get something together and you

556
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: don't know where you're going next, and suddenly this costumed

557
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: man temple guard comes out and scares you. Ah. He

558
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: added in that interview, he's been trying to get all

559
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: the ex temple guards together for dinner, which is kind

560
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: of adorable. Uh, but that's just like a bunch of

561
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: middle aged men ribbing each other. Like I remember when

562
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: we made Keiley cry. Uh, if you were legends of

563
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: the Hidden Temple Guard or p A or Kirk Fogg,

564
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: please reach out to us and we will I don't know,

565
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: run a correction, send you a can of star kiss,

566
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: We'll do something. So contestants had three minutes to complete

567
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: the Temple run without getting stopped by these temple guards.

568
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: And during the series there were fifteen different temple layouts

569
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: and almost fifty different rooms. But for all these fifty rooms,

570
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: the most notorious room was the Shrine of the Silver Monkey,

571
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: which was notable because no one could ever get it right.

572
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: One of the first viral Facebook groups I remember was

573
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: I hate it when kids suck at assembling the Shine

574
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: of the Silver Monkey. Remember that, I do remember that.

575
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: That's one of the few things I remember about this

576
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: show is watching children butter fingers. This Monkey. Yeah, I

577
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: mean it was infuriating. There's three parts, a base, a middle,

578
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: ahead you put it together. For some reason, the kids

579
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: would always screw it up. Watching from home, you will

580
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: wonder why. What was the problem, But as with most

581
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: things on the show, it was deceptively difficult. As usual,

582
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: our beloved host Kirk Fogg has these kids back. He said,

583
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: do you know how tired you are by the time

584
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: you get to the Shrine of the Silver Monkey. You're

585
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: completely out of gas. You get there to this room,

586
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: the lighting is a little bit funky, and you have

587
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: to find the three pieces. Okay, that's true. I forgot

588
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: you have to actually find the three pieces of the

589
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: puzzle first. So you're stressed. The clock is ticking. You

590
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: never know when the temple guards are gonna pop out.

591
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: And I think the real problem was you're doing it

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00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: with the monkey facing away from you. And I think

593
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: that was the problem. Is a lot of kids didn't

594
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: know if it was supposed to be, you know, facing

595
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: you or away from you. And even Old Mac weighed

596
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: in about how hard it was to put together the

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00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: Shrine of the Silver Monkey. Speaking out of panel during

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Speaker 1: the New York Comic Con a few years back. D Bradley,

599
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: the voice of All Mac, explained that the middle piece

600
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: was the problem spot. He said, it could be upside

601
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: down and you couldn't tell that it was upside down.

602
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: Apparently it took a lot of force to ram the

603
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: head on too. That was like something that was Yeah,

604
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: so you might think it wasn't supposed to go in

605
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: and you really just had to give it a little

606
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: more elbow grease. So there you go. Mystery solved trying

607
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: a silver monkey. That's why a lot of kids screwed

608
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 1: it up. Our friend the Cole speaking the Cracked, who

609
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: so beautifully described the temple set as a combination of

610
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: a cheap haunted house and McDonald's play place. She also

611
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: had thoughts on the shrine of the silver Monkey. She

612
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: said it was even cheaper than you think, felt like

613
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: heavy compressed foam, and had silver bits that flaked off.

614
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: It just ruined it. It was all hard foam to

615
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: look like rocks and signs out of camera views saying

616
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: avoid the dry ice m because dry ice will like

617
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: burn your skin off, right if you can't touch it. Yeah,

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00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't think breathing. I mean, I'm sure

619
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: breathing it's not the best thing you can do. But

620
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that's like super toxic. But yeah, touching it,

621
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: I think it's like agent orange. As you meditate on that,

622
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more too much information after

623
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Speaker 1: these messages. So, the Shrine of the Silver Monkey was

624
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: obviously super hard, as was the Temple Run in general.

625
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: It was so hard that, according to TV Tropes, only

626
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: thirty two teams actually completed it out of the shows

627
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty episodes. That's a win rate of

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Speaker 1: twenty six point seven. Um. As a point of fact,

629
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Speaker 1: as you mentioned earlier, the Silver Snakes and the Green

630
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: Monkeys were tied for completing the Temple Run, doing so

631
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Speaker 1: eight times a piece. So barely over a quarter of

632
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: the teams rescued the artifact that they needed to retrieve.

633
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: Which one would you be, um, I mean red was

634
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: my favorite color, so probably the red jaguars, blue barracutas baby.

635
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: So barely over a quarter of teams rescued the artifact

636
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: that they needed to recover, which most surely belongs in

637
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Speaker 1: the museum. There. I'm glad I got that in this episode. Um.

638
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: So the logical assumption is maybe the producers should have

639
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: made the run easier. Well, I'll be please know there's

640
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory about that. Kirk Fogg or beloved Kirk

641
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: Fogg told great Big story in that the Temple runs

642
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: were designed to be hard from the start because the

643
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: producers only had the budget for eight grand prizes a

644
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 1: season and couldn't afford to have a lot of people win.

645
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, we love Kirk Fog, but

646
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: sometimes he speaks in hyperbole. In interviews, producer Scott Stone

647
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: refutes the whole budgetary constraint thing uh speaking to the

648
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: A V Club, he basically threw the kids under the

649
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: bus and said it was their own damn fault for

650
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: not being able to do it. He says, what happened

651
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: was that kids would get in the temple and they're

652
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: so afraid of the temple guards coming out. Who's fall

653
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: is that that they're not thinking. We were standing on

654
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: the ground in front of the temple, which is just

655
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: an open wall, basically a fourth wall, yelling at them

656
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: how to do it. Go left, go right, go up,

657
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: go down, go push the wall because we wanted to

658
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: give the prizes away. He said, it was never that

659
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: we were trying to hit a number or we're trying

660
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: to save money. The prizes weren't that expensive. I don't know.

661
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: I think this explanation is a little self serving. I mean,

662
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: you know, they just hate children once again, right, it

663
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: gets back to them, hey children. The prizes, I mean,

664
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: compared to what the first Constellation prizes were Nestle's Quick

665
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: Tuna Fish and Tuna Fish, the grand prizes weren't bad.

666
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: These prizes included trips on Norwegian cruises, stays at Smugglers

667
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: Notch in Vermont, Cayman Islands, Tampa, and Space Camp is

668
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: probably the most famous one. Yea space Camp distinctly you go, oh, yeah,

669
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: you went right. Oh they lied about my age so

670
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: I could go. And I had never even like slept

671
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: over at a friend's house successfully to that point without

672
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: losing my mind. Uh, and so yeah, I was. It

673
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: was pretty hardcore. You were like in a barracks with

674
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: all these kids and they would wake you up at

675
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: five in the morning by switching all the lights on

676
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: and going wakey, wakey, eggs and baky yeah, like running laps.

677
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: It was very military. It was. It was intense. I

678
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: wish they had like hardly Ermie yelling and yelling at you.

679
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: I bet you could suck a golf ball all through

680
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: a garden nose. I get it was pretty savage. Yea,

681
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: it was not a nice experience. Um, but these prizes included, weirdly,

682
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: a trip to Universal Studios, Florida. And I say weirdly

683
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: because that's where the show was being filmed, so it's like, hey,

684
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: thanks for coming for a grand prize, you get to

685
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: come back. So anyway, But um, I guess all final

686
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: contestants got sneakers and uh, you know what, maybe you

687
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: know what that might be it? Um, and if you

688
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: lost the Temple run, you actually got pretty decent prizes

689
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: like a boom box or portable CD player, camera, remote

690
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: control car or this was the one I probably would

691
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: have opted for a set of microscopes. I might have

692
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: got remote control car to Actually, I don't know where

693
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: you want to throw this in. But on eBay right now,

694
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: there is a set piece from the Legends of the

695
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: Hidden Bible available for sale. Oh well, all met got

696
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: auctioned off, so we'll touch on up. But what is it.

697
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: It's one of the Golden Idols from the Room of

698
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: the Golden Idols. Yes, how much is it five th

699
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: dollars five grand local pickup only? All right, Well, folks,

700
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: for five grand, you too can own a piece of

701
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: the Hidden Temple or one of the shirts. I am

702
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 1: seeing some of these shirts that are out there because

703
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: the kids all got to take home their shirts, which

704
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: was just a lovely consolation prize. Can tune in a

705
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: T shirt, enjoy you the nightmares for the rest of

706
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: your life. Kids, except for the silver Snakes, which is

707
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: picked up. Well, now it makes sense because the shirts

708
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: that they were on the show were designed to show

709
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: up better on camera because they were silver. It's kind

710
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: of a weird color to show up. So they had

711
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: to keep those because they were they were custom made.

712
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: But they got facsimile, so that's nice. And you know

713
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: who else kept his shirt from the show. That would

714
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: be our beloved host Kirk Fog, who says that the

715
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: only prop that he kept from it is his iconic

716
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: denim shirt which he keeps on his top coat. Hangar

717
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: rack by itself in a plastic bag. It belongs at

718
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: a museum. It does that, truly? Does it belongs to

719
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 1: a museum? Uh? You know? Kirk banged out the first

720
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: season of Legends in ten days. When you think about

721
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: the amount of time that he actually spent filming on

722
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: this show for it to pass into legend and be

723
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: something he can dine out on the rest of his life.

724
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 1: You know, let's just assume that there were three seasons.

725
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: Let's just assume that they all were similar length of time.

726
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: This was a month of his life. Yea of his life,

727
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: and it's yeah, man, his IMDb is non extensive. I

728
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: think he's a real tour I just looked him up

729
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: on Facebook and among the non entertainment credits on his

730
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: Facebook page, he is involved in real estate in some way,

731
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: so you know, he's got the personality for it. I

732
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: respect that, but I guarantee you man, people are showing

733
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: up to those showings going Kirk and Fog, Yeah, not

734
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: realizing and showing up to look at a condo and

735
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: you know what he's shown by. You should swing in,

736
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, you should do one time. That would take

737
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: his career, but tould be worth it. He has a

738
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: temple guard pop out of the linen closet. He's like

739
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: showing it to folks and they're like, yeah, and this

740
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: place is beautiful, light coming in the evenings. Oh yeah,

741
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: you should check out these linen calls. Just tries to

742
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: rip their necklaces off, he would get fired. That's why

743
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: he wants to get the old Temple Guard gang back

744
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: together for dinner. It's gonna punk people in l a

745
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: real estate. Um speaking of ridiculous bad ideas. The production

746
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: staff used to get drunk and do the Temple Run

747
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: by themselves after daping racked wrapped. It sounds like a

748
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: lawsuit waiting to happen, But truly, who among us? Now

749
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: the kids were gone? I would have done that in

750
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: a heartbeat. Um Fog said that after the shoots would wrap,

751
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: the production team would have a few drinks, run the

752
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: course themselves and bet on each other, which, once again

753
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: who among us? He also said that before each season

754
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: he would always try to do the Temple Run himself,

755
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: because if they can make it through the Temple, I

756
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: can make it through the Temple. It's good to have goals.

757
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: But did you ever say how what his best time was? No,

758
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: that I don't find that anywhere. Well, you have to

759
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: make it on the three minutes, so presumably I don't

760
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: know his best time was, though, Yeah, what do you

761
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: think you could do it in? Uh? I'm surprisingly fast.

762
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: I bet you I could get it in two thirty. Okay,

763
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: all right. I would probably get sidetracked by the garden.

764
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: I would try and fight the guard. That would disqualify me.

765
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: But nothing gold can stay. And so it was with

766
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: Legends of the Indian Temple. That is right. The show

767
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: premiered in September and its ratings were still going strong.

768
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: In Nickelodeon inexplicably canned it. They prefer to use the

769
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: classic executive nomenclature not renewed, but we all know what

770
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: that's code for. According to Kirk Fogg, host Kirk Fog,

771
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: and others associated with the program, this was pretty much

772
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: standard operating procedure for nick at the time because they'd

773
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: already filmed a hundred and twenty episodes and at that point,

774
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: the reason, hey, our target audience with children, they have

775
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: no attention span. We can just run it in syndication

776
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: under perpetuity was the minimum amount of shows that need

777
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: to be filmed for syndication. Isn't there like a goal

778
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: that I don't know, scripted shows have to hit one

779
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: hundred episodes is the traditional threshold for a television series

780
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: to enter syndicated. I am also seeing eight, which I

781
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: guess goes back to the era of twenty two episode

782
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: sitcom seasons with the notion that sitcoms start to suck

783
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: after the fourth season, which is pretty much a tried Yeah.

784
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, twenty two episodes of season four seasons you

785
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: get eight eight. Ship it off to syndication. Anyway, So

786
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: they had a hundred and twenty, which is over every threshold. Uh,

787
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: and they figured, you know, screw it, let's uh stop

788
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 1: running up these high radio shack bills and paying Kirk

789
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: fog is outrageous salary, and uh, let's send it to syndication.

790
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: Close it. Yeah, not quite two years. Last one was

791
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: September one, which brings us to the ignominous end of

792
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: Senor Ol mac Yes. Uh, this is probably our most

793
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: extreme segment of it belongs in museum yet the sad

794
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: tale of all mac Uh in two thousand to the

795
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: iconic Nickelodeon Studios and Universal Studios theme park in Orlando

796
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: was on its last legs and it would close in

797
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: two thousand five. And this place was I mean it

798
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: should be turned into a museum. Really it was host

799
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: to Clarissa explains at all Nick Arcade, what would you

800
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: do Guts and I Assume Global Guts, Legends and Temple,

801
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: certain seasons of All That, Eureka's Castle, Gallagalla Island Figure

802
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: it Out, and the mystery files of Show We Woo.

803
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: So a lot of history in those walls. But the

804
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: game show trends started to decline in the mid nineties

805
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: following the surprise success of rug Rats and Reruns, so

806
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: the network doubled down on animated shows, and they diverted

807
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: resources from all the game shows they were making to

808
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: the animated studios back in l A. And then several

809
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: producers started requesting that shows like All That be moved

810
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: to l A so they wouldn't have to leave home

811
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: because all these producers for the most part, were based

812
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: in l A anyway, they didn't want to slept all

813
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: the way to Orlando whenever the show was shooting. Uh So,

814
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: then Nickelodeon opened the new live action studio on Sunset,

815
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: which became the home base for the majority of all

816
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: the non game show stuff. And this is a whole

817
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: other bigger topic that maybe we can tackle on another episode,

818
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: But by the early two thousand's, the studio in Orlando

819
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 1: was becoming redundant and to clear out space. Nickelodeon sold

820
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: off a number of props from their glory years, including

821
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: the old mac Head. And this is according to author

822
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: Matthew Klickstein, who wrote the incredible book Slimed and Oral

823
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: History of Nickelodeon. It's so good. A form Nickelodeon staffer

824
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: told Matthew Clickstein that the old my Head was up

825
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: for sale, and the staffer said, I wanted to buy it,

826
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: but my wife would have killed me, which makes sense

827
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: limited design options for a six ft tall film rubber head. Um.

828
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: A Pendantive Life medallion was sold at auction a few

829
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: years back for three hundred dollars, so not the five

830
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: thousand of that idol. But still and some still pop

831
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: up on eBay every now and then, and there's uh,

832
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: you sometimes get some t shirts that are alleged to

833
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: be original legends. Sure, although they're so many replicas out there.

834
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: It's hard to tell that Rugrats thing is so funny because,

835
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: I mean, we mentioned this, but like people forget that

836
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: Rugrats went away, um, and it was only because of

837
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: the success in syndication that it came back and became

838
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 1: the massive hit that it was. I mean, it became

839
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: a hidden syndication, and then Nickelodeon was like, oh, what

840
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: do we have on our hands here? Man. I remember

841
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: seeing that studio and just thinking it was like the

842
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: happiest place on earth, and then actually going to Orlando

843
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: and learning the truth. Did you go and take a

844
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: tour of it? No? I just went to Orlando when

845
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: I realized that anything good is there. So All Mac

846
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: has been sold off, our beloved Kirk Fogg is selling

847
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: real estate. It's a sad time for Legends of Hidden

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Speaker 1: Temple fans. But in the there was a resurgence, a

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Speaker 1: renaissance of sorts. There was the sixteen made for TV

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Speaker 1: movie inspired by the show, in which Kirk Fogg and

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Speaker 1: All Mac voice d Bradley Baker had a cameo. And

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Speaker 1: then in March time, when literally nothing else was going on,

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Speaker 1: such a peaceful, quiet time, um quick Castenberg Quimby put

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Speaker 1: out a casting call looking for adults to participate in

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Speaker 1: a quote supersized, reimagined versions of Legends of the Hidden Temple. Hi,

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Speaker 1: I go tell us about Quimby. Queeby Queeby? Is that Queeb? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you may remember, or perhaps blissfully not. Queeby was what

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Speaker 1: the coastal elites like to call a new media venture.

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Speaker 1: They were vertically oriented videos. Queeby short for quick Bites,

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Speaker 1: lasted less than a year, led by menius guy in

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Speaker 1: Hollywood non actual rapist category, Jeffrey Catsenberg and a woman

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Speaker 1: named Meg Whitman. So they basically shot a bunch of

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Speaker 1: that was just supposed to look good on your phone,

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Speaker 1: and everything was going to be short, hence the quick

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Speaker 1: Bites thing. They invested billion dollars in this thing. So

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Speaker 1: Queeby a ignoble flop from your least favorite person in Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Catsenberg. So obviously, when the platform went belly up,

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Speaker 1: many felt that The Legends of the Hidden Temple was

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Speaker 1: not gonna get it's reboot, but they were wrong, dead wrong. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: the c W picked it up and it premiered in

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Speaker 1: October with Chrystella Alawance as the host, Dee Bradley Baker

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Speaker 1: reprising his voice is all Mac, and Kirk Fogg appeared

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Speaker 1: as a guest mentor in four episodes. And this new

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Speaker 1: version is fascinating me because I barely remember hearing a

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Speaker 1: thing about it. It was dubbed more Authentic by Entertainment

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Speaker 1: Weekly UM culturally at least. For example, all mechs earrings

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Speaker 1: were changed from round ones in the original to square

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Speaker 1: ones to better represent Mayan culture more authentically, and real

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Speaker 1: hieroglyphics were added to the temple run instead of random

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Speaker 1: design squiggles. Thanks progress. And this was with adults. So

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Speaker 1: this was supposed to be like heavy duty, serious obstacle course.

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Speaker 1: And they initially planned to shoot in a real jungle,

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Speaker 1: but ultimately they settled on an outdoor set twice the

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Speaker 1: size of the twenty three ft original set that I

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Speaker 1: would watch. Yeah, well, I mean you can it's out there. No,

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Speaker 1: no, no no, the jungle one. Oh yeah, absolutely, just like

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Speaker 1: someone's like running through their goofy, like you know, this

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Speaker 1: is for you, Karen, Like at home, they like point

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Speaker 1: up and and Jaguar stypo. They would add, they would

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Speaker 1: add some kind of horrifying like they're doing this to

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Speaker 1: pay for their mother's burial or something. They'd have to

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Speaker 1: add some kind of horrible American dystopia crowdfunding aspect to it,

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Speaker 1: and then just poisoned, darted and they're surviving. Loved ones

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Speaker 1: got a cantatuna from son Kiss. Oh so instead of

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Speaker 1: doing the jungle, they settle on an outdoor set twice

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Speaker 1: the size of the twenty three ft original set, because

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Speaker 1: being fet that sounds wrong, But it was supposed to

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Speaker 1: be significantly bigger than the original set, because their justification was,

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Speaker 1: it's got to match the memory you had as a kid.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you go back to places that you

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Speaker 1: knew when you were a kid, and they're so small.

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Speaker 1: They wanted this to be bigger for the adults and

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Speaker 1: bigger for the adults watching on screen too. The moat

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Speaker 1: was upgraded from a two ft bathtub, as producers call it,

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Speaker 1: to an eight foot deep course the size of half

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Speaker 1: a football field. The rooms in the Temple were also

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Speaker 1: significantly more adult. Case in point the Crypt of the Heartless,

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Speaker 1: And to describe it, I like to quote original Legends

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Speaker 1: of the Hidden Temple creators Scott Stone, who worked on

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Speaker 1: on this reboot, and he's speaking to my friend Patrick

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Speaker 1: Gomez from Entertainment Weekly last year. This is describing the

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Speaker 1: Crypt of the Heartless. There are three corpses and there's

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Speaker 1: a split in their chest. You reach in and looked

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Speaker 1: for the heart that's beating one of them. One of

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Speaker 1: these corpses still has a beating heart, and you rip

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Speaker 1: the heart out and you go and you put it

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Speaker 1: into this receptacle in the room, and it lights the

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Speaker 1: room up with the veins and arteries that are now

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Speaker 1: flowing with blood inside you. There are three corpses Jesus Scott,

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Speaker 1: so that would not have made it on Nickelodeon. But

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Speaker 1: I'm honestly unsure if anyone actually expected this whole thing

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Speaker 1: to work, this adult reboot of Legends of Hidden Temple

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Speaker 1: to work. The show was panned, with critics in Variety

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Speaker 1: and a number of other outlets saying that the real

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Speaker 1: Achilles heel was the fact that there were adults cast

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Speaker 1: as the contestants, and it basically turned it from a

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Speaker 1: quaint but lovable kids show to a watered down survivor

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Speaker 1: uh and that was really the problem. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I didn't watch. I barely remember hearing of this. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: it was canceled in June, just a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: and may it's memory serve as a reminder to TV

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Speaker 1: executives that not everything needs to be rebooted with a

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Speaker 1: gritty backstory. It does seem like they really pushed for

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Speaker 1: the like joke rification of Yeah, making Legends of the

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Speaker 1: hidden Temple. Oh boy, and that yeah, that just happened

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Speaker 1: just a couple of weeks ago. So I think we

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Speaker 1: are up. Yeah, and uh well, folks, I think the

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Speaker 1: temple guards are coming for us and we're being escorted

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Speaker 1: out of the studio right now because we are fresh

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