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Speaker 1: Hey, it's Sam with a quick little show announcement.

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Speaker 2: As you may know, I've been running my hour trying

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Speaker 2: to you know, really figure it out, and so I've

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Speaker 2: been doing it in New York and LA and all

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Speaker 2: those dates have sold out, so I've just had to

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Speaker 2: add one more New York date and one more LA date.

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Speaker 1: So in New York, I'll.

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Speaker 2: Be at Union Hall on May third, that's a Sunday,

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Speaker 2: and then in LA I will be at Lyric Hyperion

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Speaker 2: on May fourteenth, that's a Thursday. So I would simply

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Speaker 2: love to see you there. I've been really having a

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Speaker 2: good time doing this and I appreciate you guys coming

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Speaker 2: out and make me out like a fucking idiot.

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Speaker 1: Okay, enjoy the episode. Bye. Podcast starts now, what is

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Speaker 1: up everyone around the globe? But you are listening to

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Speaker 1: Stradio Lab live from New York City AA, not live

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Speaker 1: at all.

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Speaker 3: And I want to address what just happened, which is

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Speaker 3: that our dear friend Matt Rodgers walked in the room

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Speaker 3: and obviously we're in in the studio there in the

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Speaker 3: neighbor of neighboring studio, neighboring studio ad Jason Studio.

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Speaker 4: Both are true.

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Speaker 3: Both are true, And I said, who are you guys

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Speaker 3: having on today? Because he hosts a podcast it's called

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Speaker 3: loss called tesas. I said, what are you having on today?

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Speaker 3: And he said a name and I without using a

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Speaker 3: three word name, but it wasn't Amy Coney Barrett.

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Speaker 4: But it was a woman. But he could have been.

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Speaker 3: Amy Coney Barrett. We don't remember. And I said, oh wow. No,

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Speaker 3: I said, oh, go off. And then Sam turned to

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Speaker 3: me and said, did you recognize that name? I said no.

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Speaker 3: We turned to our guest said did you recognize that name?

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Speaker 3: She said no.

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Speaker 1: All of us straight up lied in a huge way

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Speaker 1: to our dear friend, and in a way that was

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Speaker 1: really really impressive. And I'm actually so proud of you

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Speaker 1: for lying your fucking as who is it?

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Speaker 4: She don't know that stuff?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so now I actually feel fine not knowing.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: Of course, if it was Amy Coney Barrett and I

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Speaker 3: didn't know who that was, first of all, i'd be

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Speaker 3: really mad that they're having Amy Coney Barrett on, although

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Speaker 3: maybe they would confront her.

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Speaker 1: I'm okay, okay, I think they should have Amy Quinny

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Speaker 1: Barrett on first and foreman, okay, well say more, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's time to you know, speak truth to power by

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Speaker 1: promoting there there's things on the.

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Speaker 3: Shop promoting Amy Coney Barrett.

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Speaker 1: So but mostly I want to say when when he

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Speaker 1: said the name, I didn't react that big because I

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Speaker 4: So I was like, I'll lay low. But so then

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Speaker 3: Really, the difference between you and me is you will

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Speaker 4: I'm like I wish I had that. I just don't like.

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Speaker 3: What you have is so much better.

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Speaker 1: Like what I have is like weird silence, while like

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Speaker 1: and you look horrified.

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Speaker 3: I look so scared. It's like how last night you

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Speaker 3: of wine to bring to my purpose. Oh, and you

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Speaker 1: Care, I said, I said to the person, so I

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Speaker 3: Didn't give any direction.

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Speaker 1: They said, they said, okay, do you want like a

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Speaker 3: You also had to prepare yourself emotionally all day to

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Speaker 3: But you think that, like because we enjoy wine, you

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Speaker 4: Well, part of me wants to take a part in

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Speaker 1: And so I'm you know, maybe one day I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: This is like when I had you over. We will

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Speaker 3: don't like locks. I got bagels and you know, I

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Speaker 1: It's good for me to try it. I need to

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Speaker 1: someone who doesn't like stuff. Oh my god, and so

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Speaker 1: and now guess what, George. Ever since then I'm eating locks? Wow,

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Speaker 1: I mean all the time, and you like it or

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Speaker 3: You enjoy the wine you have.

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Speaker 4: It's hard to tell. Yeah, I also.

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Speaker 3: Think you get into your own head about like whether

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Speaker 1: I don't feel a strong reaction to it, you know

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Speaker 3: Girl? Speaking of the girl, yeah, crazy, so so so

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Speaker 3: we are so excited for this guest. This is our

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Speaker 3: because we batch record a long story, we're by coastal

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Speaker 3: it's it's hell pretty much. We're on the verge of

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Speaker 3: being canceled by ihearted a given point, but please welcome

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Speaker 3: and anaya.

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Speaker 4: Hi, let's act like I just sat down. Okay. I

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Speaker 4: love what you've done with the place. Oh you're late,

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Speaker 4: Oh my bad?

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Speaker 3: You know in traffic New York.

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Speaker 3: How do you hate it? I'm kidding, I love it.

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Speaker 3: We have a connection because both of our sort of

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Speaker 4: I feel prepared, I feel vindicated. Yeah, I feel ready.

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Speaker 3: And you do this a similar thing with us, where

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Speaker 3: it's like it's vibes based, like how well someone does

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Speaker 4: Is always more fun. I love an open ended question.

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Speaker 3: Exactly to get frustrated with you.

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Speaker 4: There's been a couple of times when people get I

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Speaker 4: guess frustrated with themselves, Yeah, because they see the chasm

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Speaker 3: Ever, so I don't know the commenters. On the other hand,

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Speaker 4: We can't control that. That's something we are actually trying

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Speaker 3: It's so crazy, how like you do all of us

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Speaker 3: like we're being really nice to the person. You're like, okay,

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Speaker 4: I mean that's the best way. It's like, oh, you're

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Speaker 1: It's weird that comment culture hasn't evolved in since the Internet,

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Speaker 1: Like it's always just been insane people acting yeah, ruthless.

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Speaker 1: That's a complaint because like people ten years ago were

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Speaker 1: like obviously that's the lame joke to me, and it's like, Nope,

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Speaker 1: it's still completely true.

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Speaker 4: Comment completely and has had a really good thing. Like

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Speaker 4: I don't really check the totalatar comments that much anymore.

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Speaker 3: No, it I agree in terms of like the two

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Speaker 1: George is feeling particularly sensitive because he was recently on

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Speaker 3: because here's what they did to me. That's the worst

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Speaker 3: by coincidence. I get ready, I criticized three artists, three

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Speaker 4: And I was like, I know, I know, I Sandwich.

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Speaker 3: Know I already look like an annoying gig guy, like

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Speaker 3: no one's gonna go in with like being like he

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Speaker 3: probably meant well, like you know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would have got you too if.

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Speaker 3: Someone that looked exactly like we said that, are you

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Speaker 3: kidding me? Who are you to criticize Olivia? And ask no,

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Speaker 3: here was a question, who were the other thing I

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Speaker 3: want for this? They said. They were like, it was

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Speaker 3: we read gay guys don't respond to Olivia Dean. Why

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Speaker 4: That was a question, okay, And because you're the only

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Speaker 3: Leading the Witness, And so I said, I was trying

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Speaker 3: to make this argument that I do think is true

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Speaker 3: that there was sort of a class of like Best

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Speaker 3: New Artists winners that are like Grammys artists like Esperanza

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Speaker 3: Spalding and like Norah Jones, like and it wasn't necessarily

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Speaker 3: a negative thing, but I was just kind of like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Norah Jones is never going to be someone's diva in

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Speaker 3: the way that like, you know, Ariana Grande.

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Speaker 1: Well sure, it's like not played at the club.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And so I was. And then they kept leading

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Speaker 3: me and they were like, sod you like Addison Ray

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Speaker 3: And I was.

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Speaker 4: Like, I love Adison.

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Speaker 3: That was the.

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Speaker 4: Starbucks music, but I love a ride.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll do it. I would have been pissed too.

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Speaker 3: I would have been pissed too. But the thing is, actually,

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Speaker 3: since then, I have to say I have grown to

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Speaker 4: Say that Olivia Dean isn't the the diva to the

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine? And this is why you're on Broadway

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Speaker 3: I was crazy, thank you. You locked into like Disney

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Speaker 3: Sorry? The other black? No? I literally it was just

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Speaker 3: For this and on Broadway, I feel like it would

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Speaker 4: Don't they want to?

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Speaker 1: Like, aren't half of them gonna be like when do

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Speaker 3: We'll see.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's gonna be so fun when you

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Speaker 4: It's someone who learns multiple tracks in the show, multiple

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Speaker 4: Speak on me, like, yeah, it's almost. It's almost synonymous

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Speaker 4: with understudy or like a stand by that kind of Yah,

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Speaker 4: I got it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My whole thing is I'm not knowing much about theater.

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Speaker 3: Is that your whole thing? No? What other sort of

445
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Speaker 3: forms of a high art sophistication do you like?

446
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Speaker 1: Too many? They're saying, did you watch the oscars?

447
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Speaker 3: I did. I saw the minutes.

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Speaker 4: I saw the minutes, and honestly, that's probably the right

449
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Speaker 4: party losing all of them.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I prayed for that. I okay. So I had

451
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Speaker 3: people over so and we watched the whole thing, So

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Speaker 3: I really, I mean, it's it's really three and a

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Speaker 3: half hours. I'm like, they couldn't no one could say

454
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Speaker 3: anything interesting. But I've had the winners. I'm fine. Like

455
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Speaker 3: whatever I didn't like now it wasn't like very sanitized. Yeah,

456
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Speaker 3: I was just like farbeed for me to pray for

457
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Speaker 3: celebrities to be more political, because I would complain about

458
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Speaker 3: that too. But I'm kind of like, well, you you

459
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Speaker 3: need something. I mean, we're any we're going to war.

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Speaker 3: And was the Will Smith slap twenty three years ago?

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Speaker 3: Twenty four years ago actually four twenty twenty two, Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: twenty two.

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Speaker 4: I feel like after that it's been like if you

464
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Speaker 4: do anything crazy, you're like never coming back, right, Yeah,

465
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Speaker 4: at least in my lifetime, I learned the wrong legend,

466
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Speaker 4: you know, the wrong lesson. They shouldn't they should.

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Speaker 3: Well, people don't have a fucking backbone anymore when they

468
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Speaker 3: get up there. Now, it's true. It's sad.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I found you can tell the institutional sorry of course, no, no, no, no, completely,

470
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Speaker 4: I found it.

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Speaker 1: I also it was last night was an interesting thing

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Speaker 1: for us where you know, everyone's doing getting their rifts in,

473
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Speaker 1: everyone's saying ha ha ha.

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Speaker 4: By our two you can tell.

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Speaker 1: We start losing steam absolutely, and by our three we're

476
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Speaker 1: just blankly watching the screen. No one's getting any riffs,

477
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Speaker 1: and everyone's like, let's let's.

478
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Speaker 4: Wrap this up.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is the thing with host and an OSCARS

480
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Speaker 3: party is like I was saying that afterwards, it's like

481
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Speaker 3: the aftermath of having bad sex. Like everyone's kind of

482
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Speaker 3: looking at one another being like did that just happen? Right? Like,

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Speaker 3: see you guys later. Yeah, it's like everyone came into

484
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Speaker 3: it with such excitement just to watch a four hour

485
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Speaker 3: telecast that had like no interesting moments.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you're like, I did finish, but it didn't

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Speaker 1: like feel satisfying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like I came, but I didn't. Yeah, I

489
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Speaker 3: liked one battle after another. I was like sure, like okay, I.

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Speaker 4: Guess, so, yeah, I guess.

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Speaker 3: So what would your pick have been the Centers? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I get that, and I think I definitely think the

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Speaker 3: fact that it was between those two is I guess that?

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Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I mean it was just so I maybe

495
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Speaker 4: I am biased, but it was so revolutionary. I've never

496
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Speaker 4: seen a movie like that, and we probably never will.

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Speaker 3: At least the next I was like, I've gone like

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Speaker 3: sort of I've done like a three six you and

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Speaker 3: I'm like, it actually was crazy that it was nominated,

500
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Speaker 3: that it did so well.

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Speaker 4: I remember that I had the same feeling I felt

502
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Speaker 4: after Sinners, after I watched everything everywhere all at once,

503
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Speaker 4: doesn't make sense. Yeah, like those movies to me was

504
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Speaker 4: like so like it's.

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Speaker 3: Not just used to be an Oscar movie. Like it

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Speaker 3: was just like very wish yeah, yeah, wish.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Who are you rooting for? I think, I guess I

509
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Speaker 3: would say I was like, I like one another in

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Speaker 3: Centers Equally, I certainly was rooting for Ryan Coogler for

511
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Speaker 3: director because I thought that would have been like a

512
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Speaker 3: director Paul Thomas Anderson I was. I was like, I

513
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Speaker 3: think it would have been a really good you know,

514
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Speaker 3: because it was an original screenplay. It was something really unique.

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Speaker 3: I thought that he deserved it for a director, and

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Speaker 3: for picture.

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Speaker 1: I think was like neutral, like, you know, here's how

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Speaker 1: I want the Oscars to get a little more interested. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I think we need one musical guest, like but throughout

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Speaker 1: like they're singing the whole Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Maybe no.

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Speaker 1: I was like Richard shout Richard Prez and I all

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Speaker 1: last night.

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Speaker 4: Every time someone would leave the stage.

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Speaker 1: We'd be like, I'm going staates and like imagine their

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Speaker 1: showing cancers. Was just there all night long. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: like every time someone walk off stage, she just does.

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Speaker 4: Like So that's what makes the Grammys are like the

529
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Speaker 4: VA is so much fun. It's like we get to

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Speaker 4: see the best new artists, Like we get to pick

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Speaker 4: I guess in real time. Yeah, so yeah, I could

532
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Speaker 4: see something like that.

533
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Speaker 3: We need it.

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Speaker 4: Someone gets up and doesn't want a lat literally Now

535
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Speaker 4: if someone did a little play of their movie, come on.

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Speaker 3: Like the Tonys, like how they do the performance.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, I know is missing something like that.

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Speaker 3: I guess last night we had Barbara Babs Babs to

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Speaker 3: Die but and Senters did a performance last night. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's that's true because the original songs do. But like

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Speaker 3: I would extractly more what I could just got anyway,

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Speaker 3: Lady Gaga doing Sound of Music. However many years ago,

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Speaker 3: do you remember that? I don't really remember the Joker? Anyway,

544
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Speaker 3: we go there, we go there. It was part of

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Speaker 3: the Joker. She was in character as Harley Quinn doing

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Speaker 3: Sound of Music. That's good. Yeah, that's a good dram my. God,

547
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Speaker 3: you're the one, are you talking about the one where

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Speaker 3: she was like in a plain white T shirt and

549
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Speaker 3: clearly that was plain black tea. Okay, check. Look he

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Speaker 3: doesn't even want to say black. He doesn't want to

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Speaker 3: say black. I'm walking into an interview with a gotcha

552
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Speaker 3: journal a famous gotcha journalist, and setting myself up. Thank you.

553
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Speaker 3: I cannot believe you got it?

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Speaker 4: Of course, of course should be doing first segment. Of course,

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Speaker 4: oh ship, I forgot Okay, work, Okay, we're in charge, yes,

556
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Speaker 4: just barely.

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Speaker 1: So. Our first segment is called straight Shooters, and in

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Speaker 1: this segment, we're going to ask you a series of

559
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Speaker 1: rapid fire questions. Is basically this thing or this other thing,

560
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Speaker 1: and you choose one. And the only rule is you

561
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Speaker 1: can't ask any follow up questions or we will get

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Speaker 1: so upset. Okay, FK twigs or mgmt's kids, this is

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Speaker 1: this is tough. This is a millennial classic.

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Speaker 3: MGM T don't look at her, she's our age.

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Speaker 4: FK cligs.

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Speaker 3: Being complicit or blink and you'll miss it. I guess

567
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Speaker 3: blinking you'll miss it.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 1: A dreaded Monday or a shredded.

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Speaker 4: Bad day, shredded body.

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Speaker 3: Game, set match, or rachel ol Dratch.

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Speaker 1: Rachel Tratch, Boom boom boom, Maggie Gillenhall or yummy tyl

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Speaker 1: and Hall.

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Speaker 3: Are you guys okay? Are we gonna as there's no

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Speaker 3: one you can go? And sorry? Can you repeat.

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Speaker 1: Maggie Gillenhall or yummy Tylan and All.

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Speaker 3: I'll take Tyland all twenty Mustard on the beat or

578
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Speaker 3: aoli with some heat. Ooh, mustard on.

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Speaker 4: The beat, okay.

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Speaker 1: Wearing a fleece that is fire or reading a piece

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Speaker 1: that is dire oh.

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Speaker 3: Am, I having a stroke. Maybe the former getting bangs,

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Speaker 3: growing fangs, Jessica Lang going out with a bang, or

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Speaker 3: it has a little tang the former as well. Period.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Well, we rank all our guests performance on a scale

587
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Speaker 3: of zero to one thousand doves and the Lady Gaga

588
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Speaker 3: song one thousand Doves album Chromatica, and.

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Speaker 1: I would say this was an amazing performance.

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Speaker 3: Eight ninety seven for sure. Yeah, wow, congratulations.

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Speaker 4: I feel fucked. I feel thoroughly fucked. I I live

592
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Speaker 4: for that though.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You really had a nice sense of surprise. You know

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Speaker 1: some of these guests they come in here, well, this

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Speaker 1: is just like a slight tangent.

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Speaker 3: Please, I thought Jessica Lang, was Jessica chast staying up

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Speaker 3: until yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Oh this is I was like, Jessica Lang, that really

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Speaker 4: nice ginger lady. She's great and oh my god, almost kidding.

601
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Speaker 3: Let's move on. Yeah, she's in a new movie that's

602
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Speaker 3: actually supposed very provocative. Jessica Lang, Jessica Chastain. She has

603
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Speaker 3: an affair with an undocumented dancer. And that's all I'll say.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is actually thank you for bringing this

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Speaker 1: movie up because I was seeing Troilis Show's movie I

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Speaker 1: want to say, six months ago.

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Speaker 3: Oh really, and then where is it?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: I just found out about it like two weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: So I think they're trying to do social commentary if

611
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Speaker 3: you can imagine that. Sure, and it is social commentary

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Speaker 3: led by Jessica Chastain, and pretty much it's like what's

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Speaker 3: the deal with inequality? Like Weathering Heights. It's exactly like,

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Speaker 3: but with the dancer and Jessica Chastain. And Jessica Chastain

615
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Speaker 3: is just there. She's like a rich woman who's like

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Speaker 3: in charge of a big foundation. So she's just there work.

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Speaker 4: Okay, it sounds like a Hallmark movie.

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Speaker 3: Jennifer engages in a dangerous affair with Fernando, an undocumented

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Speaker 3: ballet dancer, and leading to complex power struggles. Well, I'm

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Speaker 3: sure it does. That's that's it. That's the one line.

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Speaker 3: That's the one line. Wow, I'm going to that.

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Speaker 1: It does feel like a movie that has sort of

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Speaker 1: been like done one hundred times in the last four years.

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Speaker 3: What's the what's the dynamic. I think that they're like

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Speaker 3: they have like an erotic like they are really connect

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Speaker 3: it erotically, and she's like, in a very problematic white

627
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Speaker 3: woman way, is like my, you know, young, you know,

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Speaker 3: fiery dancer boyfriend. And then he's like, but I'm a

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Speaker 3: person and she's like, oh sorry, I'm away from my

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Speaker 3: email right now.

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Speaker 4: That's the that's the plot.

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Speaker 3: That's the plot.

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Speaker 4: It's like white Lotus, we've seen shades, We've seen it

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Speaker 4: meets fifty shades not too much of fifty shades of gray.

635
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Speaker 4: You like this film? I watched it multiple times.

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Speaker 3: A huge Dakota Johnson fans support Love that Love that

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Speaker 3: never no no, no, I can't wow the media. I did

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Speaker 3: a little chip on you, and as as soon as

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Speaker 3: you start talking about Dakota Johnson's acting style, it buzzes.

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Speaker 4: There's a little crack in the system.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, on our podcast, you're kind of allowed to say

642
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Speaker 1: whatever for some reason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 4: It's really nice.

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Speaker 3: Uh best you know free speech we have in this

646
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Speaker 3: cus that's true.

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Speaker 4: That's true. Actually, Wow, you are on the front line.

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Speaker 4: See that's somebody has to be.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So now let's get into the straight topic. I

651
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Speaker 1: would say, okay, so what is your straight topic today?

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Speaker 4: I brought to you today sharks should should we?

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Speaker 3: Yes? I love By the way, I want to say

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Speaker 3: you when we asked you to bring a st your topic,

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Speaker 3: took out a note on your phone that you said

656
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Speaker 3: is a list of things that pissed you off.

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Speaker 4: I have a list of pet peeves that my best

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Speaker 4: friend Denver taught me to make. Ah, and I'm this

659
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Speaker 4: is my straight topic of the day. When men aren't

660
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Speaker 4: groomed or wearing makeup on the red carpet, this is

661
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 4: so interesting.

662
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Speaker 1: Yeah, say briefly what you feel is straight about it?

663
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 4: I feel like the complete something about Okay, and this

664
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 4: is from a straight man. The thing I'm upset with

665
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 4: is straight men. I understand why straight women feel like

666
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 4: they need you shout out Pamela Anderson and Alicia Keys

667
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 4: after that second never mind, God, I keep wanting to

668
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 4: whack the girls for no reason anyway, Oh please?

669
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: No. I think my problem is.

670
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 4: When straight men go on the carpet, there's a rejection

671
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 4: of the maybe the theater of it in a way

672
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 4: that we It almost feels necessary to me. It feels like,

673
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 4: if you're there, you should, you should participate fully. And

674
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 4: I think like presenting like yourself well is.

675
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: Good. Maybe not.

676
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 4: How do I say this politically correct? No, I'm just

677
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 4: gonna say I want to see men wearing you know,

678
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 4: whatever makeup makes them feel good and presents them well

679
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 4: on the red carpet.

680
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: And I just don't think.

681
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 4: I think there's a thing with straight men specifically come

682
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 4: on the red carpet. They might have a nice tailored

683
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 4: suit on or whatever, but then their face looks ghastly.

684
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 3: Are you wanting Sean penn in like a full beat?

685
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 4: I'm wanting Sean penn with you know, a taper on

686
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 4: the beard for sure. Maybe a little chapstick, yeah, maybe

687
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 4: a brown mascara.

688
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

689
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 4: Someone took us spoolly through the brow totally see what

690
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 4: I mean? Like it doesn't whatever makes you feel masculine

691
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 4: on the carpet whatever. But it's like it's getting to

692
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 4: a point where it's like you look terrible and then

693
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 4: they always bring like their wife or their wife brings

694
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 4: them and they look fucking gorgeous. And there's just such

695
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 4: a huge chasm between the two. And I think it's

696
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 4: time for us that bridge the conversation around.

697
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: Like men in makeup is so straight men, it's like

698
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: it's like lost, like we don't know how to have

699
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: it tastefully like without it's such a loaded convo.

700
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 4: Which is crazy. I don't get it, Like it's just

701
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 4: such not a gender it's not a gender thing. And yeah,

702
00:33:55,040 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 4: maybe because I've done the work, of course pause for applause, Maybe.

703
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: I just I haven't.

704
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 4: I can't see makeup as like a gender thing. I

705
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 4: can see it as like a gender maybe tool. You

706
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 4: need to like find a little affirmation somewhere.

707
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 3: You know, all these men do wear makeup as part

708
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: of their job. It's not like exactly that's it's like

709
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 3: you wear makeup on the set, yes, and this is

710
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 3: also part of your job. You are going to a

711
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: televised ceremony as an actor, like and I'm sure, like.

712
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 4: Maybe it's so unclockable, I'm not seen. Maybe maybe I'm wrong,

713
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 4: Maybe I don't think so. Maybe they're doing such a

714
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 4: natural look. They're like, we need to make you more

715
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 4: ghastly so they don't think you have makeup all exactly.

716
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 3: Maybe that's what it is.

717
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 4: I this is a tough one.

718
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: I feel that, you know, George knows when it comes

719
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: to grooming and self care, I'm not necessarily the best

720
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Speaker 1: at it. Well, I had a really humiliating moment, I

721
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: must say where I used to write on the show

722
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: after Midnight and it was like a late night show

723
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: and I was gonna be on camera, and I was like,

724
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: you know, they were like doing like little makeup, and

725
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: then she was like, I have to trim your nosehairs.

726
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 3: Because I was like, I was just wrong with that.

727
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: But I just didn't even know. I didn't know to

728
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 3: like do that.

729
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: And I think I'm like, oh my god, like so

730
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: many like and I'm a gay guy, like so many

731
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: men must not even think about it.

732
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Speaker 4: Because they're like, this is just like Harry men are

733
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 4: in right, Yeah, okay, guys, that's true.

734
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 3: But it's also like there's a kind of an ungroomed

735
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 3: gay guy can be sexy in a different way than

736
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: an ungroomed straight guy.

737
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Speaker 4: I'm with you, I see that, like especially on a carpet,

738
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 4: especially on a carpet.

739
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so who specifically would you like to call out

740
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 3: on him? But actually, before you answer that, I want

741
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 3: to know, because grooming is one thing, how do you

742
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 3: feel about fashion? Like are you side with like a

743
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 3: simple tux or do you think they need to be

744
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 3: turning a look? Do you want to see Leo in

745
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 3: a sort of billy porter s like a hat with

746
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: a curtain on it. I think there's an in between

747
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: that can be played with. I think.

748
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 4: I'm personally tired of just seeing like a black and

749
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 4: white suit on the on the on the red carpet.

750
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 4: I'm a little we've seen it.

751
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 3: You know.

752
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 4: I think there's you can play with style, cut, the texture, silhouettes,

753
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 4: There's so many things you can do with the suit

754
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 4: that I just think they're not doing because it's easier

755
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 4: to not and like they look fine, yeah, like seven,

756
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 4: like six seven out of ten each time, But it's

757
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 4: like where's the fun and not? Do you like going

758
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 4: to a ward shows wearing the same thing over and

759
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 4: over and I just think it's a bit of like

760
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 4: there's the fun. You know, it's like, what can I

761
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 4: what's gonna look good on me? How can I change

762
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 4: it up?

763
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 3: You know?

764
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 4: I think of like and Coleman Domingo is in straight

765
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 4: but Coleman Domingo like his ability to wear men's fashion

766
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 4: and tear it out and like and like really turn

767
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 4: that whole out like it's yeah, sorry, that wasn't I

768
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 4: started thinking about redacted. Sorry, sorry, something about Coleman Domingo

769
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 4: being able to like make men's fashion like that or

770
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 4: like wisdom, k like really like these people are like

771
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 4: at the top of it when it comes to men's fashion.

772
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 3: I just think there's a but I think Coleman Domingo

773
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: is so the exception, Like I sure you know what

774
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: I mean, Like, but if you can do it, then

775
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: what I think we could try? Like I think I

776
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: think if okay, Leonardo DiCaprio, Yeah, yeah, this is good.

777
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 3: I thought his jaw looked great last night. His jaw

778
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: hm great.

779
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 5: Hey.

780
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: Hey, I don't know.

781
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 4: I just think there's like I put a I don't know,

782
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 4: wear a scarf. I'm not saying you have to wear

783
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 4: the exact same thing as Coleman Domingo. But like you could,

784
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 4: there's obviously a way you can take inspiration from something.

785
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: But okay, so someone like Timothy's shallow was like taking

786
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: swings this year.

787
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: He's been taking Do you remember when he wore a

788
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 3: true harness? That was a huge moment. Did he really?

789
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 3: I don't know, Maybe I made that up.

790
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: No, it was like that, like Louis Vuitton, like fashion harness. Yeah,

791
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a leather harness, but it was like.

792
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: Can I get eyes on this, I'm gonna look this up.

793
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 4: It was people were doing it for like a full

794
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 4: six month period.

795
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 3: He was one of the first straight men to join

796
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: in on the harness trend.

797
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,959
Speaker 4: Do I look up Timothy Shallam harness? Yeah, oh, that's

798
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 4: that's I don't think that.

799
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's twenty seventeen. Yeah, at the time. At

800
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: the time, it was a gag.

801
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 4: Sure, okay, I'm not I'm not gagging, right, but okay, interesting?

802
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess so. I feel like he

803
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: looks so much more than he does to right, well,

804
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 3: he said he was still in his fake gay bag.

805
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: That's the thing. Okay, And you mentioned Harry Styles, there

806
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 3: was there isn't there there a lot of these guys

807
00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 3: first did the fake gay absolutely thing and even sort

808
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 3: of non binary in a way, and then and then

809
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 3: sort of transitioned, if you will, and I will be

810
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 3: sort of just like a like almost like right wing adjacent.

811
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 3: Uh aesthetically, I don't know.

812
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 4: If Timothy's going right wing. Yeah, I see what you're saying.

813
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like there was just a momentere they're like, yeah,

814
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: this is no longer marketable, Like I don't need to

815
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 3: pretend I love wearing a skirt, and so now I

816
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: can just finally wear like a sort of like fuck boy,

817
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: uh street wear inspired hype BEASTI suit. Yeah, I'm with you. Also, the.

818
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 4: I already talked about this before, but Timothy's press tour

819
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 4: for Marty Supreme and let's talk about that was crazy.

820
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 4: Like I like him as an I I know I

821
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 4: do too, me too, but good god, was that insane?

822
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 3: Why did he feel they need to like he? Really?

823
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: It was such an unforced error as I was like

824
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 3: yours like shady, I was like, WHOA like on your side?

825
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 3: Why are you doing that?

826
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: I think at first it was sort of like it

827
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: was bad, but in a way that I was like

828
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: but he's pulling it off and so you're like it's

829
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: like someone wearing an ugly hat and you're like, whoa,

830
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 1: he's doing it. Yeah.

831
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 5: And then.

832
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: And then it like went on too long because like

833
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: it was almost like the moment it got like Oscar's time,

834
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: he should have been like, actually, I'm just really humble

835
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 1: and grateful to be here, but instead he like kept

836
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: going and it's like.

837
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 4: No, you like he overplayed his hand.

838
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: I think he really did, because at first it was

839
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: like it like got a lot of buzz for the movie.

840
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 4: It did kind of work, and it was.

841
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: Also the thing is the vibe of it was the

842
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: vibe of the movie like yeah, it's so a twenty

843
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 3: four and like they're casting regular people and it's the

844
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: Saftie Brothers and it's like we don't care about being

845
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: politically correct and like blah blah, and he he did

846
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: it on purpose. It just then like sort of went

847
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 3: too far, too far, and then it's so funny to

848
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: then award. You know, it's like Michael B. Jordan is

849
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 3: of course like the most like dignified, like yeah, that

850
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: man is well spoken, like so it's just like okay, yeah,

851
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: that's what we want. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you there.

852
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 4: I was just thinking, if we're comparing performances, Michael beat Jordan,

853
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 4: like he should get two oscars, like like hello.

854
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 3: At this point, I think of all the brooches. Yeah,

855
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: what's going on?

856
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 4: Oh where they just put like a brooch on a.

857
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 3: Nah.

858
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 4: I was just like, wait, so everyone's doing brooches. There's

859
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: like something like if there was like and maybe it's

860
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 4: because I'm a drag queen, like if if they wore

861
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 4: a suit in the front and then they turned around

862
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 4: and that brooch was the size of their back, I'd

863
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 4: be gagged. Oh you know what I mean, Yeah, that

864
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 4: would be kind. Yeah, but what I'm seeing like these

865
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 4: like little enough.

866
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: I did, like Michael Jordan had a little one on

867
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: the back of his suit, which I thought.

868
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 3: Which is interesting, you know, I thought, I like to

869
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 3: suit because that was like a little bit out of

870
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 3: the ordinary, but not trying to be either gay or

871
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: overly fashionty, like it was a gay fit. What does

872
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 3: the gay suit look like? Yeah? Is this the billy

873
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: Porter types? I mean, well, it certainly has the billy

874
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 3: Porter types, But I'm talking about like in terms of

875
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,959
Speaker 3: straight men going gay. Sure it is like the Harry

876
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: Styles thing. It is Timmy in a harness in twenty nineteen, Whereas,

877
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: for example, when Timmy and Kylie did the like orange

878
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 3: Pleather Love, that's like that is them leaning. That's like

879
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: straight camp. Yeah yeah, which is like, okay, good for

880
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 3: you like it? Yeah enough?

881
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we okay.

882
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: So this is about how straight men present themselves on

883
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: the red and I'm like, but like, how do gay

884
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: men present themselves.

885
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 4: On the red carpet?

886
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 3: Like that is also I appreciate a big swing. That's

887
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 3: all I'm gonna say.

888
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really do like it what people take because

889
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 4: then it's like, now we know what not to do.

890
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 3: Okay, So that's what too far looks like.

891
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 4: That's okay, that's that's good in a way that I

892
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 4: don't necessarily want to replicate.

893
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 3: Well that is, I feel like I'm trying to think.

894
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 3: I really don't want to keep going in on Billy Porter,

895
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 3: So I'm trying to think about are examples of like

896
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 3: gay guys that always go all out on the red carpet? Well,

897
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 3: Dan Levy, oh yeah sure.

898
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 4: So so what is everyone's favorite color? Horror?

899
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be great. One of the most amazing thing.

900
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 3: Have you noticed this in the theater world. There's something

901
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 3: very specific about theater events because something love you know,

902
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 3: for lack of a better way to describe this, theater

903
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: people are not as like loaded as movie people. So

904
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: it's like monetarily monetarily just like in a simple way.

905
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 3: So oftentimes you'll go to like a theater event. Let's

906
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: say it's a fundraiser for an off Broadway theater like

907
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: something like that, and the red carpet is all like

908
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 3: normal gay guys like us that like really had to

909
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 3: push together an outfit, you know what I mean, kind

910
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: of like okay, like I have these hell like I

911
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 3: have these burgundy up Converse and I this shirt that

912
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: I got on the reel reel, and then I have

913
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 3: this tie from prom. But maybe if your purpose, it'll

914
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 3: be like ironic, like and it's just. And then I

915
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 3: have like a a and it is just. And then

916
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 3: of course, because it's all gay guys like that, it's

917
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 3: not like there's one and he's making a statement. It's

918
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: just like a parade of the most insanely dressed gay

919
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 3: guys you've ever seen in your life. Yeah, and then

920
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 3: a verse of straight men.

921
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: Fedora Fedora and then George, you are bumming me out

922
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: because this is so hard, because it's like whenever we're

923
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: at any sort of event, I'm like, well, I'm not

924
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: rich and famous.

925
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, so how happened?

926
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: How the hell am I supposed to pull out an

927
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: amazing o fit for this and yet I'm being photographed

928
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: by the same cameras that the ritardious people are being

929
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: photographed by.

930
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna look bad.

931
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 4: Well, because there's something about accessorizing that's really fun too,

932
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 4: like if you just find a different way to accessorize

933
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 4: and just put a bunch of bullshit on, but like

934
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 4: edited bullshit of course.

935
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: Oh this is something I've been I'm starting to say,

936
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: like coco Chanelle as a just as a verb.

937
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: Which means take one off. Oh yeah, because whenever.

938
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 4: She needs to be they need to be Coco Chanelling.

939
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 3: Like, so I just got Coco Chanel love that.

940
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: I was at a queer event recently, and I was like,

941
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: there could have been some Cocoa Schanelling happening.

942
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, well, yeah, go into a queer event.

943
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 4: I don't know, I like it when people look crazy,

944
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 4: you know, put that shit on, You're you're you're kind

945
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 4: of turning out.

946
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 3: You're turning is because I I have felt like enough

947
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 3: and everyone really needs to Coco Chanel. And I think

948
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 3: the vibe you're bringing to the table is like, yeah,

949
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: we only have one life.

950
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 4: Like bracelets, there's a direct and someone else could say

951
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 4: this much more. I guess they could say it better

952
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 4: than me. Right, I doubt it, but I think there's

953
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 4: a direct reflection of fashion to like the political landscape.

954
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 4: And if we start, you know, going to the gray scale,

955
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 4: like I think it's an almost like a submission or

956
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 4: like a point, you know, like an acceptance of the

957
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 4: things that are going on when I think there should

958
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 4: be there should just be more color.

959
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 3: So you're saying fashion is a sight of resistance, and

960
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: I think you can. Yeah, we could fight fascism, would

961
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: you argue?

962
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: Make that ugly and then we'll talk, okay, Right, Yeah,

963
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: I mean you're literally that's why, like men's fashion has

964
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: gotten more conservative.

965
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 4: I mean it's then don't wear heels anymore. Yeah, you

966
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 4: know that's the exactly so it is. It's actually crazy

967
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 4: to see it in black and white. Unintended that in

968
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 4: terms of in terms of the gray scale, I mean

969
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 4: not race well, in.

970
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: Terms of the black and white, you're on some kind

971
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 3: of I don't believe this literally in terms of the

972
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 3: black white toixedos versus get it out. This episode is

973
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 3: never being released by but it is crazy to be

974
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 3: able to track when it was trendy to like, for

975
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 3: a lack of a better term, queer bait or whatever,

976
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 3: and then when it's stopped being metrosexuals R. Yes, yeah,

977
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 3: because it was metrosexuals normal. Harry Styles back to normal

978
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 3: and that's the that's the timeline of men's fashion.

979
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 4: Now.

980
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 3: Every time I say Harry Styles, you do have sort

981
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 3: of a mini.

982
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 4: It's just it's like, you know how there's there's soul

983
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 4: mates whatever, the opposite of that really your enemy, I

984
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 4: feel like you can probably doesn't know who the I

985
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 4: know I got.

986
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: I just I I hate I hate it. Oh, I

987
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: love it like his music or all or just all

988
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: of it. You're I will say, I liked Sign of

989
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 3: the Times, hold On Sugar, Yeah, I like that one.

990
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: I like kind of lingis and then I liked.

991
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 4: Oh and you know what was really the nail in

992
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 4: the coffin when he got Album of the Year and

993
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 4: he was like, this doesn't happen.

994
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 3: This doesn't happen for people like me.

995
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, British white people.

996
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 3: For non sorinary people.

997
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 4: Is if he was non binary, that would help totally,

998
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 4: that would help.

999
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 3: But alas, yeah, no, I mean, I obviously there's.

1000
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 4: Like a part of me that's like, why am I

1001
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 4: being a hater? Let him do whatever the fun he wants.

1002
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 3: But I do.

1003
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 4: I do think he's holding back the queer community, even

1004
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 4: though he has it admitted or wants to be queer publicly.

1005
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 3: That's all I'm gonna say. It was just a fun thing, No, no, no,

1006
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 3: it was funny because he really went all in on

1007
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 3: it and then at some point was like he he like,

1008
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 3: well this is awkward. Then I'm sort of done with that.

1009
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 4: I just hate that he's like gets the he gets

1010
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 4: the opportunity to turn it off, right, you know, and

1011
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 4: a lot a lot of people don't get that option.

1012
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 4: And when he says things like winning album of the

1013
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 4: Year doesn't happen for people like me, that is something

1014
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 4: that's out of touch. It's it's completely unfounded, and I

1015
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 4: think it was honestly the most the rudest thing he

1016
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 4: could have said in that moment.

1017
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is.

1018
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: I like that.

1019
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm not gay anymore now I'm a runner.

1020
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 4: And it keeps kissing dudes like that's gonna do.

1021
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 3: Like, And there's this one of my favorite tweets.

1022
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 4: It has Gamarco Serraziana GM Marco is like doing the

1023
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 4: my everything post from Ada and then one of the

1024
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 4: tweets replied is like, either suck a dick or knock

1025
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 4: this off and I and I keep thinking about that

1026
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 4: every time Harry styles name, I'm like, suck a dick,

1027
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 4: We're knocking off this is? This is like what perfect phrase.

1028
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 4: There's so many times when I feel this way.

1029
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 3: So good day.

1030
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's not hard open your phone and suck

1031
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: a dick or shut up.

1032
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 4: Yeah or sit normal. It's not hard, but yeah it

1033
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 4: is hard.

1034
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: Get it?

1035
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 4: Yeah hard.

1036
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 3: That's really good. Thank you. I'm a comedian. He did

1037
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 3: do that game movie about policemen or whatever. Yeah, he

1038
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: did do that. Did you love that? I didn't watch it?

1039
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes be with him is I'm always like, are you

1040
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: even fully in any of this? Like him making music,

1041
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:36,959
Speaker 1: I'm like, do you even like music?

1042
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 3: Yes?

1043
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 4: Well there was the one with Florence Pugh. Yeah, I

1044
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 4: was like Wow, Florence is acting with a brick wall.

1045
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, I'm watching this movie. Florence is

1046
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 4: fucking amazing. God help this woman. And then her husband shows.

1047
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 3: Up I know, and then they made him an incell.

1048
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 4: Yes, I didn't see this film. I went into that

1049
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 4: movie thinking like, okay, like maybe he can maybe he

1050
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 4: can keep up.

1051
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 3: It's Florence Pugh. Maybe he has to keep up. That

1052
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 3: girl was dragging him, that's why he was in it.

1053
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 3: But he's in all this everything he does, I'm like,

1054
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 3: do you even care?

1055
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 4: Do you even care about this?

1056
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 3: Like I can't be back. I think he's I think

1057
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 3: what he wants to be. He has this like romantic

1058
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 3: Bob Dylan vision of being like in a smaller venue

1059
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 3: playing acoustic guitar, and that's never gonna happen for him

1060
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 3: because he's a pop star who used to be in

1061
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 3: one direction. So now he's trying to make the best

1062
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 3: with the cards that were dealt, which are, oh no,

1063
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 3: he's really hot and famous, and so that's how we're

1064
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 3: getting the types of things you're describing.

1065
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 4: Okay, So I would love to talk about Harry Styles

1066
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 4: with like a sociologist. It's really like what's happening here?

1067
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: But it's also interesting.

1068
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 3: This is bubble, bubble, bubble.

1069
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: But I'm like, I don't even know anyone who's like, god,

1070
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the new Harry Styles album. Like,

1071
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's a bubble. I'm being lied to. Yeah, Like,

1072
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: but I know people gag, but I I don't know

1073
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: any of them and never have.

1074
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of other red carpet example, like

1075
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 3: people who slay the red carpet straight, straight man straight.

1076
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough.

1077
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 3: What do you think of Jacob OLORDI he's taking risks,

1078
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 3: is he? Yes, he's always in some like cropped blazer.

1079
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: He has a little bag on him. Yeah, crop blazer,

1080
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 3: a little bag thoughts.

1081
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 4: I it's not memorable, right, Yeah, I didn't even know

1082
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 4: that was. I'm sorry, I didn't know that was. I

1083
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 4: didn't know that was happening. Yeah, I guess so, I

1084
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 4: mean if he wants to, well, he's also kind of doing.

1085
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: The little the gay, but he's still doing gay. He's

1086
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,919
Speaker 3: actually the only one still doing gay. He hasn't gotten

1087
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 3: the memo that it's back to straight. Okay, what was

1088
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 3: he gay in Saltburn?

1089
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: No?

1090
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 3: I mean, like literally like red carpet wise, he's still

1091
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Speaker 3: he's still doing kind of serving LGBTQ plus t's. I

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00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 3: don't know he is, you know, I wouldn't.

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00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 4: I would say he's just being like he was there

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00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 4: last night. Can I see what he what he was wearing.

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00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 4: He was kind of he's kind of being like fashion bro.

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00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 3: He's being fashion bro. You're right, you're right, right, Yeah.

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00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 4: That's how that's my read of his vibe. But I

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00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 4: can't think of it like he was just wearing a

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00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 4: three piece suit okay and a bow tie.

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00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, last night he was like.

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00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: What I'm kidding just because you say that he was

1102
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: being so gay and he's not. He's wearing the most

1103
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: normal thing. No, I think he's just Australian. The thing

1104
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: this is like he looks fine and he looks great.

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00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 3: I find men's.

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00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: Fashion just in general, like other than the rare exceptions

1108
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: like the Coleman Domingoes, like, it just is like I

1109
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: really do feel damn if you do.

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00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 3: If you don't know, it's true because if you try

1111
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: to do something, if you do a velvet, you know,

1112
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 3: like a forest green velvet jacket, people are gonna be like, boy,

1113
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 3: he looks like a waiter or whatever.

1114
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 4: I feel like there's there has to be some kind

1115
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 4: of like locker room talk happening that's like stopping them

1116
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 4: from like trying or something. Yeah, I think men's fashion

1117
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 4: can be We've seen it. We've seen men's fashion be fun.

1118
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 4: I'm thinking wisdom, K Coleman, Domingo, even Patro Pascal has

1119
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 4: some really good measure. Like, I think there's an opportunity

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00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 4: for men's fashion to be fun. And it's just they're

1121
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 4: not all It just can't all be a black three

1122
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 4: piece too. It just can't be right. Yeah, it can't

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00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 4: be there. You know what needs to happen.

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00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: You know how when you have a potluck, you like,

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00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: if you're like really like caring about it, you'll like

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00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 1: make sort of a check like an Excel sheet. Like

1127
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: chores where it's like I'm breen dessert. No one else bringsserts.

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00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: We don't have one hundred desserts and nothing to eat.

1129
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 1: And I think we need to do that with award shows,

1130
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: where it's like one person's allowed to wear the black.

1131
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 3: Wine person and they have to be the most like

1132
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 3: tenured grand exactly. It's Anthony Hopkins. You have to earn it.

1133
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: Yes, and then only one person's allowed to wear a

1134
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: hat with a curtain on it.

1135
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 3: I don't know electrical electrical.

1136
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: Engineers, engineers and like one person, one person can do seventy.

1137
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you.

1138
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 4: I think this would be fun.

1139
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 3: I will say as much as I think, like I'm

1140
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 3: willing to forgive people wearing normal tuxs to the ostrich

1141
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 3: or something. What does piss me off? If you're going

1142
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 3: to the met gala and wearing a normal tux that

1143
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 3: is crazy to me.

1144
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 4: No, that's true.

1145
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 3: You don't literally donate to the costume institute or whatever

1146
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 3: it is. It does literally have a theme. Why are

1147
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:38,439
Speaker 3: you wearing a black suit?

1148
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: I will say, though sometimes now if it's so boring,

1149
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: it sticks with me. Do you remember when Frank Ocean

1150
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: at the metcal were like, just like.

1151
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 4: I like that, I love that.

1152
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 3: I think about it all the time, and it's so

1153
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 3: he just literally like as hell not nylon? What's that

1154
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 3: material called?

1155
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 4: Like almost like a wind breaker?

1156
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 3: Like a wind break, a wind breaker with a tie.

1157
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: I guess what the most because at the time everyone

1158
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: was sort of like, jump off a cliff is.

1159
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 3: Not you know, Mark Ronson worry orange windbreaker to the

1160
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 3: Golden Globes, and I thought it was sort of a fun,

1161
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 3: fun little twist.

1162
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 4: That is a fun little twist. He also I think

1163
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 4: about like men's fashion being fine, oh little nasaks too.

1164
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, when he wore that pink pink suit, that

1165
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,439
Speaker 4: was actually the way heels up the stairs. That's fun.

1166
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 4: That was really fun.

1167
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 3: How fucking fun is that?

1168
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 4: We need to hear what's going on there.

1169
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 3: We can't get into it when he when he left

1170
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 3: public life. I do think we've been missing a really

1171
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 3: important presence on the carpet, like I forgot even when

1172
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 3: you just said that, I was like, oh my god,

1173
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 3: like there used to be fun and whimsy, like there

1174
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 3: is no one doing that because yeah, the dandyism met

1175
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 3: gala y.

1176
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my god, that's fucking fierce. And I will

1177
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 4: say a lot of men turned that out too, that's true.

1178
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 4: A lot of men's true.

1179
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 3: Gonna remember too. On the Taylor, Oh my god, she

1180
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 3: was just like dandied out, like it just was like

1181
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 3: a cartoon like it was it was. It was really good.

1182
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 4: That was good.

1183
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 3: And then this year the theme is art. Is it

1184
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 3: really it's literally like fashion? Yes, it's just it's like

1185
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 3: fashion as art. I think people are gonna be, you know,

1186
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 3: showing up. We're gonna framed Mona Lisa exactly taped to

1187
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 3: their story night. Yeah right. I think it's gonna be

1188
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 3: a lot of like, yeah, like references, yeah, like references

1189
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 3: to art. Oh, a lot of like warhoul or tearing.

1190
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: The tackiest look I can think of. Who's that guy

1191
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: who does like the glass sculptures like chew?

1192
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 3: Oh god, what is caused?

1193
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: No, it's like tackier, it's like more modern or whatever. No,

1194
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: but that would be funny too, Okay, okay, whatever, Well

1195
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: I'll think on it.

1196
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 5: Wait, okay, I'm finals.

1197
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 3: Do you have any final thoughts on men's red carpet fashion?

1198
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 4: Just take a swing, fellas, and let me and let

1199
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 4: me judge you from home. You've inspired me.

1200
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 3: Honestly, I've been like I've been in a real retreat

1201
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 3: where I'm like, I mean, you can even tell today

1202
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 3: I'm wearing a very simple I've been very like I'm

1203
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 3: in my adult contemporary era. I'm sure of the Olivia

1204
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 3: Dean of gay Guys now when she sends your ass

1205
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 3: a seasoned to says my signature, Oh my god. But

1206
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 3: now you're inspiring me to like go go.

1207
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: Okay, if Coco Shanelle is taking one thing off, Billy

1208
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: Portering is putting one thing on, yeah hell yeah.

1209
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 3: Yeah okay. Our final segment is called shout Outs, and

1210
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 3: in this segment we pay homage to the grand straight

1211
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 3: tradition of the radio shout out. You're shouting out something

1212
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 3: you love to your squad back home. We make them

1213
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 3: up on the spot, so we gotta they have to

1214
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 3: come to us.

1215
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 4: Do you have one? I have one?

1216
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 3: What is up?

1217
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: Free closers and perpets around the globe. I want to

1218
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: give a huge shout out to bopping. When I am

1219
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: in New York City, all I want to do is

1220
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: bop bop, bop around, go to all my little stores,

1221
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: say no, no, no, thank you, And I can do

1222
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: this for a whole afternoon. And when I do it,

1223
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:36,479
Speaker 1: I am in absolute heaven. I think the la. Of course,

1224
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm learning to love it due to my amazing and

1225
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: beautiful gym, but I do think one thing that it

1226
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: does not have is bopping.

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00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 4: I can't bop for the life of me. And when

1228
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 4: I am here, all I want to do is bop,

1229
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:47,919
Speaker 4: bop bop.

1230
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: So shout out to walking and going into stores and

1231
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: saying no, thank you, xoxo, Sam.

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00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 3: What's up, foodies? I want to give a shout out

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00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 3: to Wings. You know, for a long time, I was

1234
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 3: actually anti Wings, believe it or not, because I said,

1235
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 3: I'm not a child. I can't be covered in sauce

1236
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 3: and I have sticky fingers and be like sort of

1237
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 3: insecure about how I'm not actually eating enough meat off

1238
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 3: the bone and then someone's gonna judge me because I

1239
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 3: left too much odd And recently I went to a

1240
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 3: Wings based birthday party and I said, you know what, George,

1241
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 3: just let go of fear and go with God and

1242
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 3: I have the most amazing meal of my life. I

1243
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 3: was covered in hot sauce, my fingers were so sticky,

1244
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 3: I looked like I was in a fisting seminar, and

1245
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 3: I was having the time of my life. And I just,

1246
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,959
Speaker 3: you know, I really am reconsidering Wings as a food

1247
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 3: option for myself. And I'm saying, go out there, have

1248
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 3: a party at a Wings spot and think of me.

1249
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,479
Speaker 4: Hey, queer, I sit Dan and I I just wanted

1250
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 4: to hop on here and say shout out to trees.

1251
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 4: I love trees. I love paper. I love pencils and

1252
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 4: I love chairs. You know, there's so many things that

1253
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 4: a tree could be, and it chooses to be all

1254
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 4: of them.

1255
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:04,479
Speaker 3: Wow.

1256
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 4: Time shout out to Oak, Birch, Willow, all of you,

1257
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 4: all the males, all the females, all the trees that

1258
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,919
Speaker 4: transition or the trees who choose not to. I see

1259
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 4: you and I love you, signed your fellow botanists, and

1260
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 4: and I woa. Well that was beautiful. Actually told story.

1261
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 3: Thank you. Where do you stand on Mother Willow? On

1262
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 3: the artist Willow, Mother Willow, the tree from Pocahontas I am.

1263
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 4: To be. I was like, what's what mother Willow?

1264
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 3: God, I'm caught up? Yeah, okay, good her character arc

1265
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 3: the giving tree fierce.

1266
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have.

1267
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 3: Your ever father, gorgeous. Thank you.

1268
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 4: Sometimes I will like be mean to myself, like I

1269
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 4: can't sing, I'm flat blah blah blah.

1270
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 3: Blah, and I'm like, no, you're on Broadway. You're a

1271
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 3: side one.

1272
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 4: I am a side on Broadway and people should be

1273
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 4: very wary when they see me coming.

1274
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 3: We need to do an episode on sides. We need

1275
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 3: to do an episode on No, we haven't done it.

1276
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 3: We haven't talked about side waters can be dangerous. Sure,

1277
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 3: and I don't even know if I have strong opinions

1278
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 3: on side. Some of my best friends are sides.

1279
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 4: Well, if engagement ever gets low, you can always bring

1280
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 4: up top bottom eye. That's true.

1281
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 3: That's something we always avoid because we think it's hacked.

1282
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 3: But I think it's about time. Oh sure, otherwise we're

1283
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 3: not going to ever get the invY to the mech gala.

1284
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 4: I don't want to wear my windbreaker.

1285
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just wear like a normal windbreaker from ri

1286
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 3: I yes, beautiful. Well and an Ia, people can see

1287
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 3: you in Rocky Horror. They can watch your show Gaydar

1288
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 3: on all platforms. Is there anything else you would like

1289
01:02:54,520 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 3: to shout out me? That's an that's plenty zero everywhere.

1290
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 3: Many people do not have both a popular talk show

1291
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 3: and a Broadway role. That's true.

1292
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 4: Wait, I love that you put that into your perspective.

1293
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:16,439
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be okay.

1294
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, well thanks for doing the show.

1295
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, thank you. Bye. Podcast ends now for our

1296
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 3: visual learners. You can watch full video episodes on our

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01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 3: YouTube channel and.

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01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,280
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01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 3: At patreon dot com. Slash Stradio lab.

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Speaker 1: Stradio Lab is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money

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01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,560
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Speaker 1: Executive produced by Jenna Cagel, co produced by Becca Ramos.

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Speaker 3: Edited by Laurence Thump, and mixed and mastered by Doug Bain.

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Speaker 1: Artwork by Michael Failes and Matt Grubb.

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Speaker 4: Theme music by Ben Kling