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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: training live from the Dallas Cowboys World Head Hours at

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Speaker 1: the Star in Frascola. Welcome into another edition of Talking

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Speaker 1: Cowboys here from Oxnard, California, as we are forty two

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Speaker 1: days away from kickoff of the twenty twenty one NFL season,

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Speaker 1: and we have got plenty to talk about, because more

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Speaker 1: things change, the more they seem to sittay the same.

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Mickey's Bagnola, I'm Kyle Yeoman's and gentlemen, we

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Speaker 1: had quite the scare yesterday. I think it's, to say

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Speaker 1: the least amongst cowboys his nation, and it revolved around

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Speaker 1: a certain quarterback, certain name that rhymes was Zach. But

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Speaker 1: it's not Zach. It's actually Dak Prescott. First off, just

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Speaker 1: kind of give us your initial thoughts on what you

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Speaker 1: were thinking during practice yesterday. Of course, Dak Prescott leaving

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Speaker 1: early due to a muscle strain and his right shoulder,

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Speaker 1: his throwing shoulder. Rob, what did you see and what

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Speaker 1: did you hear after the fact, Well, first off, it's

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Speaker 1: not training camp until Todd Archers across the tennis court

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Speaker 1: with a sport coat on over shorts doing a live

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Speaker 1: shot for ESPN. That's when you know something that's big

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Speaker 1: is going on, and it's not training camp until there's

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Speaker 1: an injury, unfortunately, or something going on with a significant player.

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Speaker 1: It's nice to be out here and get started, but

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Speaker 1: this is the reality of football. And it was a

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Speaker 1: scary moment because you know you're out there watching practice

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Speaker 1: and Dak just kind of stops throwing during the seven

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Speaker 1: and when you're talking to Jim mau or the head

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Speaker 1: athletic trainer, you know there's something going on when one

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Speaker 1: on ones I'm sorry that was one on ones. When

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Speaker 1: seven on seven and team drills happened, he jogged off

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Speaker 1: the field and eventually went and got an MRI and

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Speaker 1: we got some some updates on that in terms of

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Speaker 1: muscle strain in his shoulder on his throwing arm, and

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Speaker 1: they're just gonna be careful with him for the next

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Speaker 1: few days. And Mike McCarthy was on the fan this

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Speaker 1: morning saying, basically it sounded like he's going to do

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Speaker 1: some form of practice. Micky, Okay, are you sweating? No

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Speaker 1: this trail mix. Something went down my throat and it's

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Speaker 1: trailing me right now, got your water there, right, you're good?

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Speaker 1: Um yeah, short of the Heimlich I think okay, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: he got on the air. That's it's a no no

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Speaker 1: for that reason. For that reason, it'd be a good visual.

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Speaker 1: Somebody saves me. Right, Um, so I totally lost my

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Speaker 1: train of thought. But he I'll pick it up for you.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk you basically? You basically? Uh. That was

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Speaker 1: my lead to mix shots. It's like, you know, always

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Speaker 1: something training camp doesn't start until something happens, and something

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Speaker 1: always happens. Right, we had a we had a clean week,

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Speaker 1: and then it's like, okay, the pads came on and

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Speaker 1: um I was good with the sore arm. I like that.

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Speaker 1: I didn't like when it was up in the shoulder

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Speaker 1: because there's too many strains, because there's too many things

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Speaker 1: in the shoulder that can go wrong that are serious. Right,

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Speaker 1: the first thing you think of is an ac joint

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Speaker 1: it's like, no, it's it's it's a muscle thing. It's like,

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Speaker 1: oh okay, that's that's good. Um. Now, Dak called it tightness.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like it, and he said he developed it

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Speaker 1: what he said. So if if, if you know, Dak

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Speaker 1: He doesn't just go in for a hang nail. Uh. Well,

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Speaker 1: because they asked him like he's probably gonna lie right

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Speaker 1: communication with Britt and the training staff is really good.

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna he's not gonna fudge it. He knows

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good news. Yeah, it is pretty good news.

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Speaker 1: And it's it's still considered a minor strain. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: So I think the initial thought was probably something with

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Speaker 1: And so my initial thought went to pitching baseball, because

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Speaker 1: It's true, but you don't do that in a workout

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Speaker 1: it's practice, and quarterbacks are going to try to throw

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Speaker 1: the right read. And two of the interceptions were throw ups. Yes,

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Speaker 1: right was fourth and fifteen, they had to score a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: That's nine interceptions and in a couple drops by the way,

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Speaker 1: Still kind of reeling after the news yesterday, and also

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Speaker 1: is a guard, and you know that's good. But I

426
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Speaker 1: don't know that there's open competition yet because I haven't

427
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Speaker 1: seen him take snaps with the first team at left

428
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Speaker 1: guard in place of Williams unless he's playing center or

429
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 1: or they're keeping him at guard, so he can really

430
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Speaker 1: focus on that competition and left guard, you know, and

431
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: give him a real chance to win the job. Now

432
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Speaker 1: I'm you mean it left guard. I'm I'm playing Devil's advocate.

433
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: I agree with Mickey. I mean, I think I take

434
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Speaker 1: crap for this on the normal rotation with Heck and Isaiah,

435
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 1: because I said Connor Williams played well last year was

436
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: his best season as a cowboy off coming off in

437
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: ACL And now does he get does he get overpowered

438
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: at times? Yes? Yes? Has he improved in that area

439
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: over three years, yes he has. He's got a different

440
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: body type than he did when he came in the league.

441
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: He's in the final year of his deal. I don't

442
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: know if he'll be back, and Connor McGovern could be

443
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Speaker 1: prepared to slide into that spot in twenty twenty two.

444
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: But I if I had to guess, I would say

445
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: he's the left guard, Connor Williams once again, and possibly

446
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Speaker 1: the backup center. I mean, they're they're taking a look

447
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: at that, you know, in training camp and see how

448
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Speaker 1: it goes. But I don't see change in the starting

449
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: lineup there, barring injury. I think I'm with you, guys. Ultimately,

450
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Speaker 1: I have been impressed of what Connor McGovern has shown,

451
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Speaker 1: and maybe this does kind of allude to the fact

452
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,719
Speaker 1: that Connor Williams has been chosen as maybe the work

453
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Speaker 1: in backup center because they feel good about maybe replacing

454
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: his spot in the starting lineup should something happen to

455
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: Tyler Biatta scoot over Connor Williams, Connor McGovern goes up

456
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Speaker 1: to the left guard spot, and then all of a sudden,

457
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: you're feeling really good about your backup off of line choices.

458
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: To your point about Connor mcgovernor, I talked to him

459
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Speaker 1: at minicamp and, like Mickey said, he's only really working

460
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: at guard, but he just feels like he's in a

461
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: better place. If you remember, he missed his entire rookie

462
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: year with the pectoral deal and still was kind of

463
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: working through that into the spring summer, going into twenty

464
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: twenty one, twenty twenty training camp. So you know, he

465
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: really got off to a slow start in terms of

466
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: reps and what they saw from him last year because

467
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: all the linemen had to play last year. He did

468
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 1: show something. I thought he did play well at guard

469
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: when he was in there, and I think he has

470
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: shown enough that they get an injury at tackle. Zack

471
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: Martin's my backup tackle because you feel I'll guarantee you

472
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: McGovern will play a better guard than any of the

473
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: other guys will play it at tackle. You think that's

474
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: why Ultimately they were like, uh, yeah, Zach okay, because

475
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: Mike has said he doesn't want to change two spots

476
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Speaker 1: if he doesn't have to. But but look to last

477
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: year or what happened best five. Yeah, they got forced

478
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: to do it because it was so bad. Yeah. Right now,

479
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: Having said that, Terren Steele's body looks different. He looks

480
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: like an NFL offensive lineman. Now he's put some weight

481
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,959
Speaker 1: on the lower half, which was one thing that I

482
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: had knocked against him early last year. He came in

483
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: as an undrafted free agent and he was about as

484
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: top heavy as a water burger cup that you get

485
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: in the drive through and then you turn around and

486
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: he's even down a little bit. So I think between Steele,

487
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: Nasecki and Josh Ball, those are the three guys I

488
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: think the competition for that backup spot. Can they keep

489
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: them all? Yeah? Maybe so as guys to groom and

490
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: then with McGovern, you know you got a backup guard.

491
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: The key thing will be if Connor Williams can show

492
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: he can be the backup center, because then you don't

493
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: have to keep another swing guy right. You can just

494
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: keep one more guy um and you you save spots

495
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: by doing that. But they cannot do if they don't

496
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: have confidence in the secy Ball or Steel to be

497
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: that backup swing tackle. Then the drop of a dime,

498
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: if something happens one of those tackles, Zach's got to

499
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: go out. They can't wait like they did last year.

500
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: They wasted too much time for me. Are there any

501
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: reserves about Zack Martin and his health right now? No,

502
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: I think they're just being smart. I mean that they

503
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: are rotating those right guard snaps in team because we

504
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: saw Connor McGovern, we saw Brandon Knight. Even I think

505
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: with the first team a little bit left left guard,

506
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: some left guard. Yeah, okay, I thought I saw any

507
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: might have been. I just know that when they went

508
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: second team, he'd been the second team left guard. You know,

509
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: Zach spoke to it a couple of days ago. Just

510
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: I mean, as I get older, and he's only thirty,

511
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: but I mean, you know, he's been in the league.

512
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: That's a line that's about a long see, that's a

513
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: long career. So that's funny. He's only thirty, right, but

514
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: Tyrant Smith, Oh, he's getting old. He's thirty. Yep, thirty, Yes,

515
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: that's crazy. He turns thirty one, I think in December

516
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: if I remember correct. So he was twenty when he

517
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: came in. Yeah, he was a he was a pup

518
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: that's won when he came in. Yeah, he's thirty, So

519
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: thirty one in December. It's eleventh season. Crazy, and it's

520
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: Zach's eighth. Yeah, And I mean Zach's had some stuff

521
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: kind of pop up the last couple of years. Not

522
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: anything super serious, but he had a back in training

523
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: camp a couple of years ago. He had the calf

524
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: last year. So yeah, just you know, be smart with

525
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: one of the best three players on the team. You know, yeah,

526
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: and I just kind of wanted to bring that conversation

527
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: up because, of course, with the revolving door that we

528
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: had last year at offensive line depth is an issue,

529
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: and Mickey, you even spoke about it in the last segment.

530
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: Outside of Connor McGovern, the quote unquote backup offensive line

531
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: has not been impressive so far. No, they they have struggled.

532
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: But you know, look what you're what you're out there with,

533
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: Uh Josh Ball rookie right, Uh Niseki Now he's old

534
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: thirty six right, Yeah, I'll say that's old. He may

535
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: not like that. Uh, You've got Forni act that's moving

536
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: from guard to center. Um, and then either McGovern and

537
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: then who's ever at the Brandon Knight at the left

538
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: guard spot, who's probably fighting to and steals in there.

539
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: So those guys are fighting. Just make the roster let

540
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: alone a backup job. So yeah, and it happens all

541
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: the time. You know, that's there's not enough offensive linemen

542
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: in this league to have too deep, right and and

543
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: and if you look at when they tried to play

544
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: these alternative leagues, the biggest problem they had is there's

545
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: not enough offensive linemen. So you the quarterback however, good,

546
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: bad or otherwise they are, they ain't got no shot

547
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: because they have no protection when it's time to throw

548
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: the football. Um. So, I don't know where all the

549
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: offensive linemen have gone, but they're I don't know they

550
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: play defense now or what? Rob Why do we give

551
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: a pass on some of these rookie offensive linemen but

552
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: we also have exceptionally high expectations for some of these

553
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: rookie defensive lineman. Is it because of that reason that

554
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: it's that much to it that much of an adjustment

555
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: going from college to pro when stopping pass rushers as

556
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 1: opposed to being the pass rushers. That's a great question.

557
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: I don't know why we do that. I guess I

558
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: guess the thing, yeah, everybody does. It's it's college football.

559
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: It's it's harder to find NFL ready offensive linemen these days.

560
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: And if that's why it's so hard to find him

561
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: off the waiver wire, you know, like Brian always used

562
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: to say, and he was right. You know, if they

563
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: if you've got a good backup tackle, you know, even

564
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: if you have good depth, you're keeping him, keeping him

565
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: because they're just they're not easy to find. And I

566
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,479
Speaker 1: do think it's the college game the way the college

567
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: game has played a fewer pro style offenses, all the

568
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: spread stuff, and it's just not the same. All they're

569
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 1: doing is pass blocking or trying to yeah, and they

570
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: don't run the football hardly anymore. And then there's this,

571
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: and Rob's probably heard me tell this story. So back

572
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: in the nineties when Joe Brotsky was the offensive line

573
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: he was the running backs coach, but he had been

574
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: a big time high school coach in Miami, legendary, and

575
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: so one day we were talking and was something how

576
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: it came up about offensive lineman. He goes, all right, Mick,

577
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: let me explain it to you. I'm in high school.

578
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: First day of practice, right, We get all these guys

579
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: to come out, and you don't know what they can

580
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: do or whatever. And you look around and it's like, Okay,

581
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: that guy right there looks like the best athlete. You're

582
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,600
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583
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: the next best guy by defensive end. After that, can

584
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,240
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585
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: catch the ball, you're the cornerback, right, And he says,

586
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: you go through this whole thing, And then you look

587
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: around and you go okay, I'll restue you guys, your

588
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: offensive lineman because you can't do anything right, and they're

589
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: the least athletic usually because if you're athletic and big,

590
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: you're on defensive end right, or you're chasing the quarterback

591
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: or you're a linebacker. But the rest of you, guys,

592
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: and if you go to high school games, I mean

593
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: there's some big old yea, they are right and jersey

594
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: barely fits. But that medium, that's how you make that's

595
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: how you make an offensive line, and then you hope

596
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: maybe they grow into something right. Good point, it's a

597
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: good point. It's it's the trickle down effect of how

598
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,120
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599
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: one way we could look at it at this point.

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Speaker 1: But we've got a little bit of defensive talk to

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Speaker 1: About ten minutes left here in this episode of Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Mickey's Bag, Nola, Kyle Yeoman's here from Oxnard, California.

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Speaker 1: We're entering practice day Numeros six here from the West Coast,

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Speaker 1: and well, practices four and five were highlighted by the

651
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: defense and it was a response from the defense after

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Speaker 1: really the offense had their way in practices two and three.

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Speaker 1: You counted nine interceptions the last two days, but I

654
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Speaker 1: think there was five on Tuesday and fourty yesterday. There

655
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: were more on Tuesday, I believe, so wow, I have

656
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: to go back and look, but it felt like there

657
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: was an interception every two rows yesterday. Mickey's rightful, but

658
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: there were a couple of spots where it's like, hey, Dnucci,

659
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: just throw it up there. Yeah, but yeah, I mean

660
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: the dbs are flying around and Kelvin Joseph's had like

661
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: three practices and starting stir in. Yeah, no, he's I

662
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: always kind of felt like once we got out there

663
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: and he got settled in, like his talent would take

664
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Speaker 1: over a little bit, because he's a very talented player.

665
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: And he did miss ten days because of COVID quarantine

666
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: in the spring. But he's flying around he said, no

667
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: fly zone, airplane mode. I mean it's you know, that's

668
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: a lot of swagger for just getting started in your

669
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: first camp. But you know what, maybe that's a good thing.

670
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: You know, maybe that's that's what this defense needs a

671
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: little bit. And I think it does speak to while

672
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: Mickey was right, you know, there's a couple busts there

673
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: that we've seen it on the defense, the communication seems

674
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: to be really good, and I think when it's really good,

675
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: guys are in the right spots, you know, and to

676
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: go make plays on the ball. And you know, some

677
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: of the stuff we saw on on Tuesday was red

678
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 1: zone work, and it does get tighter and tougher down

679
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: there for the offense to cash in. But you know,

680
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: you cannot be anything but impressed with the way the

681
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 1: defense has flown around here. Calvin Joseph have shown and

682
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Speaker 1: and I thought that was good to be one of

683
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Speaker 1: his attributes. Speed. He has ketchup speed. Dbs are gonna

684
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: get beat and I've seen two plays where he's been

685
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: beaten balls in the air and he catches up and

686
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: either deflects it or I think it's happened twice. It

687
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: happened yesterday for sure, on a crossing pattern. He was

688
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: beat and the balls in the air and he came

689
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 1: in and knocked it out. There was a deep ball

690
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: the other day where the guy was behind him and

691
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: the receiver was behind him, and he got back and

692
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: got his hand up in the air and knocked it down.

693
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Speaker 1: So I'll be interesting to see if that continues. But

694
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Speaker 1: Anthony Brown had a really nice interception, so he's not

695
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: sitting there going okay, I can't hold this starting job, right,

696
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: go ahead, rookie gets yours. Oh and he also can

697
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 1: play in the slot, which mentioning the slot Jordan Lewis

698
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 1: better not miss another day because Maurice Kennedy is gonna

699
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: wally pip him here pretty soon. He's had two really

700
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: good days without Jordan Lewis on the field, a pick

701
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: in each practice, right yep, and impressive ones too. I

702
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: believe he had a PBu as well on Tuesday along

703
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: with his interception, a really nice one where he actually

704
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: laid out and got a handle the football. But this

705
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: is kind of the buzzword that's been thrown around all

706
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: of our podcast Mick SHOT's Talking Cowboys. The break doesn't matter. Competition, yep,

707
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: And we have been waiting for that, especially in the secondary,

708
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: for the last couple of years, and now you finally

709
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: have it with Kelvin Joseph who right now, if you

710
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: ask pretty much anybody, he's not the starter. He's a

711
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: second string corner. But why was he the first name

712
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: that brought up? Because he's bringing that swagger, he's bringing

713
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: that competition at confidence that this defense hasn't shown in years. Me, well,

714
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: I don't know about years. Let's not let last year

715
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: cloud everything else. That was twenty eighteen maybe the last time. Well,

716
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: they were the number eleven defense in twenty nineteen. Now

717
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about points. I'm talking about yards, sure,

718
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: because they did give up way too many points. So

719
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: all this talk, we've talking about cornerbacks. Right, can they

720
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: stop the run? Because they couldn't last year. It was

721
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: gosh awful biggest problem they had by far on the

722
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: whole team. And so I I gotta see has this

723
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: been solved? Has it been solved? Um? Right now? We don't.

724
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: We think it could be, but we haven't seen it.

725
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't tell what's going on in practice.

726
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: If they're stopping the run, pads come on the first day,

727
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: you're not tackling anybody. They need to start tackling thirty

728
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: four and thirty seven. Sorry, Rico Dowd says up, stays up. Yeah,

729
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: it's not nice. Man. You could go hit forty five too,

730
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: because I don't think it'll bother him. Goalie. He you

731
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: think he can make this team? Yeah? Yeah, Can we

732
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: get a fullback out there? Is that something McCary. I

733
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: guess McCarthy's valued it in great Q. That guy just

734
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: roomed the Cowboys that one year, right, Yeah, they might

735
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: throw him the ball right after he caught four or

736
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: five of them. Yeah, then they didn't cover him. So

737
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: but again, can they stop the run? Twenty five hundred

738
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: yards rushing last year, second most enfranchise history in history.

739
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: We're not going to know. We're not going to know

740
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: for sure until the games started. That's why training camp

741
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: you gotta put a little bit of a disclaimer on

742
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: everything you see. But but no, I mean there there

743
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: is confidence and activity these last couple of days, especially

744
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: in the secondary, where you're like, this is this is good,

745
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: this is really this is really promising looking you know,

746
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: and and I can't help but think a lot of

747
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: it has to do with dan Quinn being so hands

748
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: on in the communication. I think that's that's sorely needed

749
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,959
Speaker 1: from that position that he's filled, and the competition will

750
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: just get raised at safety now right with the addition

751
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: of Malik Hooker. Um, I'm not sure how soon he'll

752
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: get in the stuff, but let's see what happens. I

753
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I asked him specifically that yesterday

754
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't give me a date. He said, they're

755
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: just gonna easy, but he's got to ramp up. He

756
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: hasn't he hasn't done anything. He's coming off in Achilles. Yeah,

757
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: it ain't easy, no, I can tell you. And you're

758
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: just trying to get I just wanted to sit up

759
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: and walk right. And this guy's gonna go out there

760
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: and try to play football. And I'm guessing he hadn't

761
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: really done you know, you can condition, but I bet

762
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: we don't see him in pads until next week. That

763
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 1: makes sense, but there's only what well, maybe the weekend

764
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: one more practice one day to this weekend Saturday Sunday,

765
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: so maybe some time in there. But yeah, I don't

766
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: think they're gonna rush him out there. There's no need

767
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: to do it, but I think the competition rises, you know,

768
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: kzy curse. Let's see what you got because everybody back

769
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: there is on a one year deal. Donovan Lewis, Donovan

770
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: did it again? Did it again? You did it yesterday?

771
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: I told Donovan, I told him, I just promoted him

772
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: to start in safety. Donovan Lewis that the ticket, right, Yeah,

773
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson and um, I think he's got a spot.

774
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: But let's see, because I think it's open competition back there.

775
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: We've been so worried about the safety position. Now we

776
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: got all these guys, but guess what one year deals,

777
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: So no one's promised from a financial standpoint. You gotta

778
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: prove yourself. And even Kean O'Neill, right, we're just assuming

779
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: he's he's good. Well, he's got competition. Have you seen

780
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: anything at linebacker yet? Um? Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, Okay,

781
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: I've liked Actually, I liked him in coverage yesterday. He

782
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: followed Zeke all the way down the field and made

783
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: a pass breakup. I feel like he's kind of been

784
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: in the right spot, you know, And that's the biggest

785
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: to me. That's maybe the biggest part of the linebacker position.

786
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: Going back last year, you rather him there than Parsons. No,

787
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: there's a difference between splash plays in training camp and

788
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: also just kind of watching to see if guys are

789
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: doing what they're supposed to do, and so sometimes that

790
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: kind of those lines get blurred in training camp. I'm

791
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: not saying Parsons hadn't had a good camp. I mean

792
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: he shows up every day with something. Yeah, um, but

793
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think Keanu Neal's got a spot

794
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: on this team. I don't know how many snaps he's

795
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: gonna play, and I think maybe as we go on

796
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: throughout the season, Michael Parkson's plays more and more and more.

797
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: But I think there's a spot for him. And I'm

798
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: with Mick on safety, I think I think Donovan Wilson's

799
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: as a starter, but that other spot could be up

800
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: for grabs, especially if Hooker gets going here. I think

801
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: all three of those guys are fighting for that free

802
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: safety spot because I think right now the safest bet

803
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: is to say you're starting safety or strong safety rather

804
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: is Donovan Wilson, we think, but they've kind of rotated

805
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: that to free also, but well, he did that last

806
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: year too, he bounced back and forth. So I think

807
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: that's the safest bet right now is to say that

808
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: six is gonna be out there for the most part.

809
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: But then you've got three other guys clamoring for the

810
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: rest of the snaps. And I think we already talked

811
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: about it on another show. But the fact that Malie

812
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: Cooker was signed and he was out on the field,

813
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: it looked like they had raised their competition level. It

814
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: looked like they had raised it up a little bit.

815
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: Casey had the really nice interception that was returned for

816
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: a touchdown. That's true. That was the day that Yeah.

817
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like, oh, hold up here, right, not

818
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: so fast, which is back to the competition aspect. Yeah,

819
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: you have guys here that you you think can come

820
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: in and win a starting job. And if you think

821
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: you can win a starting job, you're gonna have that

822
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: extra cozy another guy is coming off with torn both

823
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: guys and the year before it was it was Neil, right, Yes,

824
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: so Neil missed some time last year as well. Yeah,

825
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: so yeah, look, this is this is gonna be a

826
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a prove it position. And then when

827
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: you know we haven't talked about the linebackers, but there's

828
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: some great no competition going on there, you know what.

829
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: Talk about that on Saturday when we come back on

830
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. That's the that's the homework assignment for all three.

831
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: Keep an eye on the line, keep it on the

832
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: linebackers because whenever we get to Saturday, I want to

833
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: try and rank all four of them. Want to We

834
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: did that on the sideline yesterday. Actually really yeah wow,

835
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: So I'll save it for Saturday. Okay, okay, we need

836
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: we need I'll join that conversation. We need some running,

837
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 1: like up the middle type stuff, right like they used

838
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: to do in the old days. They did it alive yesterday,

839
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: ground on the ground. You know. Jimmy when when they

840
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: would do that inside run. Yeah, when we were in Austin,

841
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: Jimmy would let us go on the field and stand

842
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: behind to watch it, to ramp up the count, to

843
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: ramp up the competition, right, because those guys are right there,

844
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna see everything that happens. And boy was there

845
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: some head knocking going on. It was live, but we

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