1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Prognosis. I'm Francesco Levi. Laura Carlson is out. 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: It's day one hundred nine since coronavirus was declared a 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: global pandemic. Today's main story. The virus still plagues many countries, 4 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: but in the six months or so since it first 5 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: emerged in humans, we have learned a lot about how 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: to treat it. That knowledge may help us save many 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: more lives than in the early days of the pandemic. 8 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: But first, here's what happened in virus news today. US 9 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: President Donald Trump is amping up pressure to send kids 10 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: back to school, regardless of the safety risks. Today he 11 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: blasted the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention atter they 12 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 1: set guidelines for reopening schools. In a tweet, Trump called 13 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: the guidelines quote very tough and expensive, and said he 14 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: would meet with the CDC earlier. Trump said he may 15 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: cut funding if schools do not open before the November election, 16 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: saying keeping them closed benefits the Democrats. The country's largest 17 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: public school system, New York City, announced today that students 18 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: would probably return to physical schools part time this fall. 19 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 1: Mayor build A Blasio said he anticipates a blended learning 20 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: program with students in class two to three days a week. 21 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo said a decision on 22 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: schools would be announced the first week of August. Melbourne, 23 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: Australia's second largest city, goes into lockdown today for the 24 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: second time in four months. The country's missteps in handling 25 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: travelers returning from overseas and the complacency of a few 26 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: neighborhoods tipped the city back into the danger zone. Melbourne 27 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: is now responsible for the vast majority of Australia's new 28 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen cases in the past month. Even as life 29 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: in most of the nation returns to normal, Melbourne's five 30 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: million people will be back under stay at home orders 31 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: that were first imposed in March, and finally, Brooks Brothers 32 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: filed for bankruptcy. The company was the latest victim of 33 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: the pandemics hit to clothing sales. Neiman Marcus Group, Jay 34 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 1: Crew Group and John Varvados Enterprises have all filed for 35 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: bankruptcy since the virus took hold. And now for today's 36 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 1: main story. Almost two hundred days after the first coronavirus 37 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: cases were reported in Central China, health workers and researchers 38 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: have raced to learn more about the brand new pathogen. 39 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: As many as one thousand COVID related research papers are 40 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: being released daily. Bloomberg Senior editor Jason Gale reports that 41 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: that research and the experience of frontline healthcare workers is 42 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: informing better ways to diagnose, prevent, and treat the disease, 43 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: and it's helping to save more lives. On April six, 44 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: in New York, for a personal experience, I think that 45 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: was the worst day hospital wise. That's Associate Professor Sonya Yellow, 46 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: an eighteen year veteran critical care doctor currently working at 47 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: the Columbia University of a Medical Center. We were really, 48 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: really very busy, and the hospital was full of patients 49 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: with with COVID, and I was working in the intermediate 50 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: care unit or step down unit, which normally has eight 51 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: to tend patients, and that day we had a more 52 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,239 Speaker 1: than sixty patient. At some point we had sixty eight patients, 53 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: so that's approximately eightfold increased. Many patients struggled to breathe. 54 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: The most critical we transferred to a pop up intensive 55 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: care unit, but others also required more invasive respiratory support. 56 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: Despite all our efforts, we were stuck with the several 57 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: patients who needed to be incubated, but there was no 58 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: way Sonia and a colleagues could incubate all of them 59 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: at once. She had to buy time, so she made 60 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: the decision to do something unorthodox, something for which there 61 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: are no guidelines or protocols. We've been hearing about this 62 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: technique in the beginning of April from friends and some 63 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: colleagues about this prawning, which means putting people to lay 64 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: on their stomach among patients who are not intubated, that 65 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: means they are not on a respiration or not on 66 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: a mechanical ventilation, and that's an unconventional treatment. There are 67 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: no guidelines on such therapy and non intubrated patients. Feeling 68 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: she had nothing to lose, Sunny went ahead anyway. Laying 69 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: on the stomach improves blood circulation in the upper portion 70 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: of the lung, increasing the volume of oxygen and carbon 71 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: dioxide that can be exchanged. It also decreases pressure around 72 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: the lung and can help clear secretions from the airways. 73 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: So we tried that and the first few patients I 74 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: remember first three patients really had a dramatic improvement in 75 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: their oxygen nation, which is measured from a finger by 76 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: pulse of symmetry. That's a small clip like device that 77 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: attaches to the patient finger. But we were very encouraged 78 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: by that and also the clinical stuff. Nurses and nurse 79 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: practitioners as well as hospital is they really surprised how 80 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: well this works. So we said, okay, let's just see 81 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: who else is needing the most oxygen. So we decided 82 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,799 Speaker 1: to do this promposition only in those most severe cases 83 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: who would otherwise be integrated. Immediately, Sonya got approval to 84 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: attract these patients and report what happened to them in 85 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: a study. Her paper was published last month and the 86 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: Journal of the American Medical Association. She and a colleagues 87 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 1: founded if they were able to get patients blood oxygen 88 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: levels back into the acceptable or normal range, then there 89 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: was a forty six percent reduction in the probability of 90 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: them being intubated. We were hoping that this would be 91 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: helpful to other health care providers dread and COVID patients. 92 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: The approach hasn't yet been tested in a large randomized 93 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: control old trial, but it's a reminder that necessity is 94 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: the mother of invention in the absence of a cure. 95 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: Doctors like Sonia are left relying in part on trial 96 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: and error, but months into the most destructive pandemic in 97 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: a century, their collective experience is starting to build a 98 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: framework of how best to cope with coronavirus patients. In April, 99 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: Gilead's anti viral Rhamdavia, now approved with the brand name Vecklery, 100 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: were shown to speed recovery time and COVID patients. Last month, 101 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: the inexpensive corticosteroid decks of methad zone was found to 102 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: reduce debts by a third among patients receiving mechanical ventilation. 103 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: Doctors are also routinely administering heprin, another anti coagulants to 104 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: prevent dangerous blood clots from forming in the veins of 105 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: the critically ill or. COVID nineteen is a respiratory disease. 106 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: We now know that it has the capacity to cause 107 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: diverse manifestations um but little by legion, we discovered the 108 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: new sign new symptoms of the disease. This is Dr 109 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: Sylvie Bryant, the World Health Organization's Director for Global Infectious 110 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: Hazard Preparedness. Now we know that there is really a lot, 111 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: a lot of possibilities for these barns to attact the 112 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: human body. The quest is to create a toolbox that 113 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: will enable doctors to provide better care for the full 114 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,599 Speaker 1: range of COVID patients aill we says. The w h 115 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: O is collating data from countries to identify the crucial 116 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: elements that reduce the proportion of COVID patients who die 117 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: from their illness. These include how health systems triage COVID patients, 118 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: how they protect those vulnerable to more serious complications, and 119 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: the speed with which they provide intensive care. It's not 120 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: only what you do. Sometimes at this level there is 121 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: a little different, but it's really how you do it. 122 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: What is the particular point that that makes the difference. 123 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: We are in the midst of our surge now, we 124 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: are are we have exponential growth in Arizona. The daily 125 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: case rates are going up, our hospital admissions are going up, 126 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: So we are in the midst of it right now. 127 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: The more COVID patients Dr. Jared Mosey A sees in 128 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: his hospital's intensive Kegan in Tucson, the more he says 129 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: he's convinced that saving lives comes down to protecting the 130 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: lungs of those with acute respiratory distress. Syndrome. It's an 131 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: inflammatory condition doctors refer to simply as a RDS. Most 132 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: patients need breathing support, but too little or too much 133 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: air pressure and volume can damage the lungs further. And 134 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: so I look at all of those things and tinker 135 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: with the ventilator for a good while every day to 136 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: try to find that balance, and to me, that is 137 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: the thing that will save the most lives in in 138 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: this disease is just excellent critical care management of a 139 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: r d S. Jared is also an associate professor of 140 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 1: emergency medicine at the University of Arizona. When I spoke 141 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,479 Speaker 1: with him in late June, his hospital had just expanded 142 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: in intensive care facility to one beds, with plans for 143 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: more if needed. He says he's laid hands on more 144 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: than one hundred COVID patients over the past four months 145 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: or so. I asked him if he thought better treatments 146 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: we're leading to better survival. How do I hope? So? 147 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: I think I think that's the case, but it's very 148 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: hard to answer that question when you're in the thick 149 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: of it. I hope. So some days I think we're 150 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: actually getting pretty good at this and other days. I 151 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: think this is demoralizing. That's the humbling thing about the pandemic. 152 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: The more we know, the more we understand that there's 153 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: so much more we don't yet know well, such as 154 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: doctors and health authorities are racing to come up with 155 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: a better waste to find COVID nineteen in the absence 156 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: of an effected vaccine. The best way to find the 157 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: pandemic remains avoiding catching the coronavirus in the first place. 158 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: That was Jason Gale in Melbourne. And that's it for 159 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: our show. 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