WEBVTT - The Mommy Vibes Of It All 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:08.160 Carol Aired and Terrez Belovet are fan fiction ass names 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:13.240 like as names, those are trying really hard, Like it 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:17.079 feels like someone in the seventh grade wrote those names. Well, 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:22.120 it also sounds like a mid century lesbian author came 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:31.440 up with, which is what happened. I'm on a oh 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:37.680 three now looking at Terres Carol fan fiction and let's see. Okay, 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:41.680 I'm gonna give the virgins a little tutorial on how 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:44.360 to use a three. So what I'm gonna do is 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:51.040 I'm going to look only for completed works, and then 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:55.200 I'm going to sort by kudos, and we'll see what 0:00:55.400 --> 0:01:00.480 the most popular Carol fan fiction is. Okay, is called 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:06.480 better than fiction? It's by simply Sally. Okay. Here's some 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:12.440 of the tags fluff, angst, first time lesbian sex, romance, 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:20.200 slow burn, age difference, librarians, smut, religious conflict, alcohol abuse, 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:24.800 the slash alcoholism. Okay. Here's the synopsis. Life is a 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:29.360 librarian in rural Alabama, was driving Terrez Belavet slowly insane, 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.960 and then a new family from Vermont moved into town 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:36.760 and everything changed when she meets the sexy wife of 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:40.919 the new paper mill manager, Sparks fly a song by 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:45.720 Taylor Swift. Also, here's the one where Carol is a 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:51.840 doctor and Doctors without Borders. Not that. So today we're 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:56.360 talking about Carol, the two thousand fifteen film starring Cape 0:01:56.360 --> 0:02:00.240 Blanchett and Rooney Mara, based on the novel The Price 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:04.559 of Salt by Patricia high Smith UM, which is considered 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:10.680 a you know, contemporary lesbian classic, a queer Christmas favorite, right, 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.880 And we're going to be, you know, talking all about 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:18.040 Carol um our first experiences with it. We're gonna be 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:23.600 talking about lesbian's Christmas gloves, high speed chases, uh, and 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.040 you know, maybe some of the other works of Patricia 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.480 high Smith, because this is like a virgin the show 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:32.200 where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rasdami 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:39.320 and I'm fran Toronto. I think we have talked on 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.639 this podcast before about whether or not we would eat 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:46.520 human flesh, honestly multiple times, multiple times. Yeah, in case 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.960 it hasn't made it to air. I don't think anyone 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.120 will be surprised to find out that, yes, I would 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:56.880 eat human flesh, and not only like would I hypothetically 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.040 do it, like I would actively like to try. And 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:03.720 that is why When I watched the first five minutes 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:07.200 of the movie Bones and All, I was like, this 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:13.079 is a movie written, are directed, produced, and concepted by 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:18.160 Rose damn you like it was so yes, I actually 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:24.440 wrote the y a novel and paid Luca Guardanino to 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.800 adapt it. They didn't even have to option it. I 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:31.440 just said, here, please take it. Um. Yeah, So so 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.160 we've both seen Bones and All. I saw it last week. 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:38.720 Um I I loved it. I know you would. So 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.240 it's so its incredible, no pun intended. I knew that 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.360 I would love it, and I was so happy to 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:50.120 be proven right. It was such a beautiful movie. Like 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:54.040 I I was gat and I was gagged. I thought 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.640 it was so much fun, like NonStop fun on the 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.400 world building level, like and you could hell that the 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.880 source material was just like really sharp and fun like 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:08.000 so just it's the basis is there's boymate's girl and 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.520 there's like bisexual cannibal meets bisexual cannibal. Um, and that's 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.280 what this story is. And in this world, which is 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:18.400 in the eighties, UM, cannibals are a somewhat common, not 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:22.880 common thing in society, and they're frequently you know, abandoned 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:27.200 as kids and so they are like cannibals roaming around 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.800 society that are kind of and they smell smell each 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.080 other from far away, and they're all kind of feral. Right. 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.560 There are a lot of specific things about this world 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.240 of cannibal culture that was so cool, and that was 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:42.000 just something that I really just from jump was sucked into. Yeah. 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.159 And and the thing that I liked about the way 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:45.880 that this world was set up was that it was 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.680 a matter of fact and like you learned things as 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:53.919 the character learned things. So the main characters this girl 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.040 who like all her life she's lived with her dad 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.960 and they've gone from town to town as she has 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:03.800 killed and mauld people. And once she turns eighteen, he, 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.440 you know, like abandons her for good with some information 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:10.120 about her family. And Taylor Russell, I think, plays her 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:16.160 with this really incredible frankness, like she's naive but in 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:20.159 a way where she is very like curious, and I 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:24.440 love how matter of fact she is and how she's 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:28.360 like obviously it's in these like really intense circumstances, but 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:32.560 like makes them very believable and very grounded. And I 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:36.400 just thought like she gave such an incredible performance, especially 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:40.599 alongside Timothy, who you know, plays this this cannibal who 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.320 she meets on the road and they fall in love. 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:47.120 And I had been wondering, like, would Timothy's start power 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.320 be like kind of distracting, But I actually felt that 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:54.240 it was very additive to the movie because you had 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:58.400 to have someone with that much charisma in that role 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:01.400 to understand like how they would be drawn to each other. 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.360 And I think like the Timothy shallowmin of it all 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:08.640 worked really well in that I loved Timmy. I really 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:12.040 loved that also. So just to your point about Taylor Russell, 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.840 like I think, yeah, the the naivete of her character 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.039 was balanced well with the fact that she's a survivor, 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.719 right like this, this, this whole movie is a story 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:23.800 about survival and isolation, like societal isolation and what you 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.120 do with it when it's out of your control, Like 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:28.799 what do you do with the hands that you're dealt 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.200 like the finger off exactly, you bite the finger off. 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.599 And you know, this character is accountable, that you know 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:37.520 doesn't necessarily want to be accountable, and Timote and other 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.680 you know, forces in in the movie are kind of 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.000 convincing her that you know, girl, this is who you 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:44.920 are so why don't you lean in and figure out 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.280 what you do like about it, how you can take 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:52.160 a bite exactly. So on Timmy, I will say, obviously, 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:57.839 this movie can't exist without Timmy was perfect, added the 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:03.719 realism and the natural realism that marries with Luca Guardardino's 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:10.200 style on a really really cool, like fantastical premise that said, 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.040 I'm so sorry. I I really don't like being I 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:15.840 don't like doing this. I don't like but and yet 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.160 you do it over and over again and yeah, and 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.520 yet you bring it to us every ball. I think 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.680 Taylor Russell is a movie star uncontested Lee and I 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:26.800 think she I would watch her in so many other things. 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:32.480 I think that next to Timmy, her performance felt a 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:37.000 little to y A because what Timmy gave to me 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:41.720 was not why A. It was like pure realism. But 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:45.040 I felt like the way the movie was written, like 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:50.120 specifically the dialogue was extremely why A and I. You know, 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.480 we were texting after and I was like I felt 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.240 a little way and you were like, well, it was 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.760 based on a y A book girl, and I was like, oh, 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:00.280 like I can of course, like I can tell like 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.800 that is like rich on the page, and so And 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.200 this doesn't mean that I disliked the movie, but I 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.280 just I was like I wanted it to either be 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.960 y A or complete and total realism. And I I 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.600 did think that Taylor's performance felt a little weak next 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:22.200 to Timm's because like he could sell the dialogue more 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:24.760 than but when she was selling it, she was selling 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:30.200 it like with this kind of upbeat like y Anus 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:32.280 is like all I can mustard like that what to 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:34.960 to describe her about? I was still like, I don't know, 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.080 I wonder if what you're seeing is that she was 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:42.320 playing a teenager, because she was, and like I I 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:46.960 just honestly like, I guess I get what you're trying 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:50.839 to say. But I thought that that all worked really 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:54.400 well in the context like of the movie. And I 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:59.120 really felt like she and Timothy especially but everyone were 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.280 all in the a movie, which I think sometimes doesn't 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:06.560 happen um like in films that are this massive, not 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:08.480 just because like the awards of it all, but like 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.760 the movie star and like you know, the like atur director. 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:16.360 But I like believed their love story. And I also 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:21.960 believed even more than that in her journey. I was too, 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:25.800 because the thing is she's the the protagonist, Timmy, does 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.320 not come in for quite a while into the movie, 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:30.280 which I appreciate it. I thought it was really cool, 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:34.160 and so that's why I felt like Timmy's like performance 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.480 was like, you know, it felt unintentional. It felt like 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.640 it unintentionally disrupted the genre that we they were in 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.120 um and so I personally think that they were not 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.280 in the same movie, but I do think that they 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.760 both brought something to the romance that was essential and 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.320 definitely believable. So I don't feel at any point like 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.040 the premise or like what they were doing was unbelievable 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.920 because I was just honestly having so much fun still, Like, 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:00.520 I get what you're saying, but I think there's a 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:05.120 difference between y A and something that is about teenagers, 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.800 and I actually thought this might agree. I totally thought 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:09.760 this film did a really good job of telling a 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.760 story that was about teenagers, but like in a way 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.480 and like from an adult's perspective and not like, yes, 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.440 it was a coming of age story, but it didn't 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:25.080 feel um like juvenile. Yeah, it really was about the 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:28.600 dialogue For me, like I felt like dialogue had been 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:33.440 lifted from the books because it was clunky. It was 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.880 over a nunciitive. It was a lot of telling instead 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:41.920 of showing. It was full sentences instead of like things 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:45.959 that would be naturalistic kind of like fragments, Like I 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.959 would never have felt like it was to y A 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.079 if Timmy wasn't in the film, right, Like, I think 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.640 Taylor brought exactly what the film needed, and then Timmy 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:56.640 just brought in a different energy and then I was 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.480 just like, okay that it just it just like felt 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.160 different to me, like and I didn't under I didn't 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.760 buy their chemistry a hundred percent of the time. But 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.800 like it's that that's not it's not really Taylor, It's 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:11.360 not really either there there's faults. Like that's to me, 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.640 a directing issue, and that's at the end of the day. 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:19.480 I think like some of the cinema was beautiful, All 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.959 the production was beautiful, it's just simply on that element 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.400 of the direction. I like, I noticed so many of 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:31.040 these little like stylistic flourishes um that I really recognized 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.240 from Suspiria, which is the last film that that Luca 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.120 Guadnina made, and I just think he has such a 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:43.320 clear vision that he's really able to turn towards each 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.200 of these different worlds. If you look at the past 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:50.800 three movies he's made like very different subject matters, but 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:55.280 like still like this very consistent gaze and point of view. 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:59.000 I also loved the score, which was done by Um 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:02.320 Trent Restner of Nine Inch Nails and Atticus Ross. And 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.000 you know, they've done a bunch of film scores at 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:06.720 this point. One of them. Oh I didn't know that. 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.559 That's so cool. Yeah, I'm speaking of music. I've been 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.840 listening to the new Waste Blood album a lot. And 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.080 she's a girl who I have not really been that 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:20.680 much into, but you have really been singing her praises 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.160 for a while. I think. I remember when we went 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:28.600 to Joshua Tree last year. You were playing her a lot. Yeah. 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.679 We were on Vaca and I was like, oh, like 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:32.600 we were cooking, I think, and I was like, oh, 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:34.120 I want to put on this album that we were 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.520 that I was talking about, UM, which was Titanic Rising 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:42.679 and that album is for the Virgins, so fucking good. UM. 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:44.720 But her new album, Yeah, I'm glad you enjoyed it. 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.080 I loved it too. It was so beauty. It's very pretty. 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:51.080 It's you know, I do think it's like sliding into 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.520 this space that I mean kind of a lot of music. 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:57.680 Like it's how I received it at first, which is 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.440 where it takes a while for me to really figure 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.120 out what are the standout songs for me, and it 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.760 all just kind of like blends together. And I think 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:10.160 the dream equality of her voice sort of exacerbates that. Um, 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.400 But now that I've spent more time with it, like, 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.760 there are some songs that are really standing out to me, 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:19.520 Like God turned me into a flower so beautiful, um, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:23.520 hearts to glow. But she like she really does sound 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:26.720 so much like Joni Mitchell with like a little Nico 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:32.520 thrown in, But it's insane. Nico's such a good comp 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.040 I had never thought of that. Yeah, she has this 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.360 kind of like she has one of those artists where 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:41.480 her vocal, her very her vocal specificity is what anchors 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.160 the music right and yeah, I for the versions. I 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.400 feel like she's like wise what is very like Karen Carpenter, 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.360 if like she had an electric keyboard and electronic keyboard 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:53.160 and like saying about depressive relationships and like being anxious 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:57.280 at heart. Total Like Carpentry is a really good comparison. 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.559 I think it was. This is something that's really cool 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.280 about her Rose like she was, she grew up like 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.760 very evangelical Christian and so a lot of like her. 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.160 A lot a lot of her music is like inspired 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:16.720 by church music and inspired by kind of religious fanaticism. 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:20.080 I was gonna say, like, I honestly think that, like 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.480 with Wise Blood and definitely with Ethel Kaine, like I 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:26.240 kind of fall in love with the story of them 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.040 as much as I fall in love with the music, 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.920 because I do love seeing the references and when you 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.440 hear the references so clearly in the music, like I 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.680 don't know, it just like makes me feel so I 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:40.360 just like love seeing like the brain on the track, 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.440 you know it's it's it's so gorgeous. I love UM. 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:47.000 Speaking of brains and other body parts. You were telling 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:51.000 me over text that you have started watching the new 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:57.960 UM Netflix Wednesday show, Yes, which I can't remember if 0:14:58.000 --> 0:14:59.880 you if you watch it early for work or some 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.560 thing or that. I watched it like a month ago, 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.840 and okay, I had a great time watching it. I 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:10.120 think it's so fun. Yeah, I I honestly I had 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.960 really low expectations. I'm not gonna lie, like, following our 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:18.080 Tim Burton episode and and thinking about just like, um, 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.840 what the things that we come to expect from Netflix shows. 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:26.520 I really loved the series right away, like such a 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:30.760 pleasant surprise to me. Um, it was very like we 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.200 need to fill the gap that Sabrina left. Like I 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:36.760 felt that hard, but like I'm not mad at it, 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.720 you know, Like and and Jenna Ortega, who plays Wednesday, 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:45.520 is a marvel. Like she's so, she's a star. She's 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.480 been great and everything that she's done, and it kind 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.800 of has taken up until this point to find the 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.520 right vehicle to truly I think unleash her star power 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.880 because she's done a lot of supporting roles. She's been 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:02.280 in a lot of netflixings. Um, she was in X 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:06.720 earlier this year, and she she was in the screen 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.280 movie as well, the Scream Races. She plays the most 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:14.000 annoying character in You. She does It's like but again, 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.480 now she found her vehicle. She just has it. She 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:22.720 is perfect at the dead pan Wednesday thing, those like 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:27.720 little moments of like um, you know levity, like the 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:33.760 sort of like smirk she does. She the dance scene 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:39.240 like was so done scene. I think no spoilers for 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.200 the virgins. It was thus I think there's a lot 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:44.160 of the dance. I think there's a lot of young 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.640 actors especially who would do a role like this and 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:51.000 would be sort of rolling their eyes the whole time 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.720 and like like like l O L can you believe 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:59.560 I'm doing this? But she's just like so committed to 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:04.959 it that it works and the and like I really 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.840 appreciate that because like, yes, Wednesday is a character who 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:14.159 is like, you know, like the prototypical like um, you 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:18.960 know golf girl. Um, she's you know, the black print 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:23.680 for lydia diets and and like all the other like sad, 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:28.480 angry golf girls who like have guillotines. Um. But she 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.080 just like really she she is the has to be 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.679 the straight man in her own show and just like 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.800 does it so well. That's such a good way of 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.199 putting it. Like she is someone who's just kind of 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.960 like bearing witness to like the idiocy around her. Like 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:47.080 for if if you haven't watched it yet, like The Virgins, 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.359 like it's very it's she is the protagonist and her 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:53.919 family like isn't in the movie as much as she is, 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:57.520 you know, basically starting life at a new academy called Nevermore. 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:01.640 It's it's very Monster High meets like Daria, right, it's 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:05.120 like murderous Daria, you know, like and and I loved that. 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.200 And I thought that, like, whoever concept of this, because 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.840 it wasn't Tim Burton, whoever like concept of the show 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:16.960 like understood the like the the contemporary relevance of a 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:21.560 character like Wednesday, who has has had like jokes about 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.480 like anti colonization, like back in like the nineties and 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.879 early odds, right, like there were things about this character 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.119 that were like against the world and against the oppressive 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.080 forces of the world. And you know, the Adams family 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.200 was a Latin family, even though that didn't really come 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:39.760 through in a lot of the iterations of the franchise 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:43.440 and was only present in I think the after the cartoon, 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:45.240 right is like when they were like, oh, yeah, I 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:47.120 guess his first name is Gomez, so like, I guess 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.680 he's Latin, right, Like, you know, I was reading a 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.719 little bit about like the history of Um Adam's family 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:57.840 and how um when John Aston, the original Gomez Um 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.240 was cast, they were like, yeah, you need to like 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.960 lean into like the Latin lover energy of the portrayal 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.680 or whatever, which is obviously very cringe now, but it 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.200 was like it just like, you know, there were no 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.760 Latin characters on screen at all, and so to have 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:16.800 um an adaptation that sees like the relevance and also 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.359 just like how effortless all of that has folded into 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.119 the world. It was. So it's so fun. It is 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:25.960 it is, It's very fun. It's dark, it leans into 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:30.160 the darkness. It really doesn't like pull punches because it 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:35.600 is a show ostensibly for and about teens. Um. I 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.480 loved that Christina Ricci was in it. You know, Christina 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:42.520 Ricci played Day in the nineties films. Um, and she 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:46.720 was so fun in it, and um, yeah, I just 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.880 had had a good time. Catherine data Jones was Slade 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:53.560 when she was on screen. Um. You know, there are 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:57.560 some questions I have about the the world and that 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:01.200 like I don't think we're like answered as satisfactorily maybe 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:04.160 as they could be, But um, I like I would 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:08.840 definitely watch the season two. No, I mean honestly, I 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:11.480 think that like Riverdale is a camp for this show 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:15.000 because there are a lot of twists and turns where 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:18.760 if you're a teen or preteen watching this, you're not 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:21.399 you don't care about like the kind of like the 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:26.520 logistical or believable, the believability of the emotional stakes of 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:29.800 these characters when they are sometimes a little thin, but 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:33.040 you're because it's so drama and because it's so like 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:37.000 such a juicy and eccentric teen show. Like I don't know, 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.480 I I do have fun watching it, even when I'm 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:41.520 just like, oh, this is like a teen show, you know, 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:51.040 speaking of reboots. Um I I did try to watch Disenchanted. 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:56.239 Try I Ryan, Ryan and I watched thirty minutes of 0:20:56.280 --> 0:21:01.800 it and had to turn it off. Wait wait, can 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:04.360 you explain to the virgins actually like the cultural importance 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:06.280 of this moment, because like you two are very like 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:09.679 Amy Adams, so you love the original Enchanted, So like 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:13.679 what happened? What? What was that? That's what happened? Just 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:17.919 like I couldn't do it. I didn't want to. I'm shook. 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:19.600 So you're never going to watch the other half of that. 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:24.400 I'll probably not half thirty minutes because we were watching 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:27.200 it and then paused it to eat and we were like, Okay, 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:28.960 it's got to be halfway over now, and that's when 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:32.280 we realized we were only a third of it. We 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:34.520 realized we were only like a quarter of the way 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:38.800 in and we were like, Nope, given up. I'm sure 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:41.320 I'll go back and finish it at some point, but 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.800 I'm not like in a rush to watch it, to 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:48.520 be honest, Like it was better than hocus Pocus too, 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:51.560 but it did make me feel the same way. I know, 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:54.440 it made me feel the same way, Like it made 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:56.320 me feel like they were trying to make the magic 0:21:56.359 --> 0:22:01.200 happen twice instead of finding something that's like really interesting 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:05.360 about this world and like reinvigorating it. Um, I don't. 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:07.840 Just from from what I saw, it was just lacking 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:11.280 what was so perfect about the original besides that it 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.760 was like amazing and like the music was great and 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:20.320 all this stuff. The original Enchanted is met a commentary 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:24.080 on Disney movies, and like, from what I watched, this 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:26.600 was not doing any of that. And that's one of 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:28.760 the reasons why I Enchanted works so well. It's like 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:31.680 maybe the main reason why Enchanted works so well, honestly, 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:34.200 we and can we talk about that because it's so true, 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:38.440 like the original Enchanted was a subversion of Disney's core 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:42.800 principles in like perfection and ideally poking fun in itself. Yes, 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:45.719 it was. It was. It was ingenious, like, it was 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:50.399 so crazy to watch if you're a Disney hallic because 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:53.560 it's ripping open all of these you know, things that 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:56.040 we don't really allow, that we don't usually see in 0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:59.200 Disney movies. And so yeah, I agree. I don't think 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:01.440 that the next movie was The second movie was amazing. 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:04.520 Can I rattle off just like a few observations because 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:08.960 I did finish the movie. Um, I felt that Amy 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:11.879 Adams had not aged a day. I did not see 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.639 a single pore on her skin. I'm not going to 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:20.000 I thought she looked incredible. I don't know where Disney 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:23.280 is getting all of these bad child actors. They're all 0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:27.399 so so hard to listen to, and then they have 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:29.680 to anchor so many scenes and I'm like, are you 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:34.520 talking about the daughter? Yes, that's the daughter from Enchanted. 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:38.320 It's the same actress. Why why didn't they just pick 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:40.280 a new girl? Why did they do that? Did they 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:43.879 really do that? Oh my god? I had no idea. 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:49.600 Um okay. I also just I um the movie. So 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:51.919 do you do you get to like the twitt the 0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:56.200 kind of twist where you know she'd be where? Okay, 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:59.600 So Amy Adams basically makes herself the wicked stepmother and 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:03.400 creates world around like very wan Division esque, like has 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:06.760 a spell that makes the world of this suburbia enchanted, 0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:10.840 like fantasy is now on Earth in her suburb and 0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:13.679 so she is like this wicked stepmother that goes up 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:17.280 against Maya Rudolph who was like the evil queen of 0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:23.720