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Speaker 2: That Season eight premiere? What is going on?

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Speaker 4: Emily A body here coming to you live from the

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Speaker 4: AG studio. You are listening to Hurdle, a whileless focused

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Speaker 4: podcast where I connect with everyone from your favorite athletes

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Speaker 4: All right, some fast facts about the show. If you

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Speaker 4: now officially it's official a Hurdler the show. It comes

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Speaker 4: As for me, Emily Body, I'm a thirty three year

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Speaker 3: I was seeking out, and so yeah, it worked.

443
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Speaker 4: I think usually when someone says like I can't wait

444
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Speaker 4: to be a mom, it's because they had a really

445
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Speaker 4: great mom growing up, like a really great role model.

446
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Speaker 4: So talk to me about your mom and how she's

447
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Speaker 4: played a really big role in your life.

448
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Speaker 1: She is My mom is just the best I Like

449
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Speaker 1: I said, I was really shy when I was little,

450
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Speaker 1: and my sister's my best friend, but like she was

451
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Speaker 1: social and had her own little friends and like my

452
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Speaker 1: mom probably like all my memories from before I was

453
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Speaker 1: eight years old is just me hugging my mom's leg,

454
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Speaker 1: like she was my person and I I was her

455
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Speaker 1: little shadow, like never left her alone, and so very

456
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Speaker 1: very lucky to have, you know, a very attentive, loving,

457
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Speaker 1: funny mom. And she's I think she's just such a

458
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Speaker 1: good caretaker and homemaker and but also is like cute

459
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: and sassy and has good style and is funny, and

460
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Speaker 1: so seeing her model like motherhood and being a wife

461
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Speaker 1: was like, that is the coolest thing ever. I want

462
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Speaker 1: to be exactly like you. You were amazing, You're so

463
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Speaker 1: cool and so definitely to your point. That's like she

464
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Speaker 1: made that like this ultimate role of that's what I

465
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Speaker 1: want to be, That's who I want to be. And

466
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Speaker 1: you know, then I went to college and had to

467
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Speaker 1: cook for myself and I was like, wait, mom makes

468
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Speaker 1: this look so much easier, Like this is so much harder,

469
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Speaker 1: Like how does she fold close so much better than me?

470
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Speaker 1: Or you know, but then she always folding closed, it's

471
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Speaker 1: always holding clothes. And then my mom's also like super

472
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Speaker 1: athletic and she didn't do any sports in college, but

473
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Speaker 1: like she's climbed all the fourteen ers in Colorado and

474
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Speaker 1: like skis and hikes and does like so many fun

475
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: adventures like mountain biking, and so it's also like, oh,

476
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 1: you can also be super adventurous and fit and athletic

477
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Speaker 1: and pursue your goals in that way as well. So

478
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: she's really a special lady. She's also I wore a

479
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 1: lot of hats, yes, yes, primarily like keep your leg

480
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Speaker 1: available for Emma to hug at all times from nineteen

481
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Speaker 1: ninety to nineteen ninety seven.

482
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Speaker 4: Primarily that's the primary pants anyway. So you make your

483
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Speaker 4: first Olympic team, let's talk about that. Do you remember

484
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Speaker 4: where you were when that happened?

485
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Speaker 1: In So in Eugene, Oregon, twenty twelve, the Olympic trials,

486
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Speaker 1: I had to finish top three in my event. And

487
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Speaker 1: so for track, it's just one day you have to

488
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Speaker 1: be perfect. It's not like the US ski team that's

489
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Speaker 1: like here's the team. I think that's how they do it.

490
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Speaker 1: I'm example, so for example, But so you have to

491
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Speaker 1: be perfect on that day and you have to finish

492
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Speaker 1: top three. And so I won the year prior and

493
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Speaker 1: made the world Championship team and was the top American

494
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Speaker 1: that year. And so that was twenty eleven, and then

495
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve it was I was winning everything and

496
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Speaker 1: again the top American. But like you actually have to

497
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: like get it done that day. And I don't know why,

498
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: but I'm sure it's coaching and support and family and Joe.

499
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: But like I was just very confident that like this

500
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Speaker 1: is just another race, Like it's a four hundred meter track.

501
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go out and do my job. I

502
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Speaker 1: wasn't overwhelmed with this is the Olympic trials, like this

503
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Speaker 1: is the moment. And I was just very calm and

504
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: focused and ran my race and won, and that making

505
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Speaker 1: your first Olympic team is so special because for the

506
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Speaker 1: rest of your life you're an Olympian and that's like

507
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Speaker 1: Emma Coburn, Comma Olympian, Like it's just always part of

508
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: your bio. It's part of what defines you professionally. And

509
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: it also helps people like understand what we do you

510
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Speaker 1: know of, like you're a professional runner, Oh cool, Like

511
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Speaker 1: what does that mean?

512
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Speaker 3: You're like, no, you're an Olympian.

513
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: Like people people who don't run or don't know anything

514
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: about track can like get that a little bit more.

515
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Speaker 1: So it was just really special. And yeah, I was

516
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Speaker 1: still in college. I had one more year left in

517
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Speaker 1: school and just was yeah, twenty one at the Olympics

518
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: and went out there and was the top American and

519
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: made the final and again just didn't put the moment

520
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Speaker 1: of the Olympics, didn't put that weight ahead of where

521
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Speaker 1: I knew I was of, like, it's just another four

522
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Speaker 1: hundred meter track. I steeple all the time. I've done

523
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Speaker 1: these workouts, I'm going to go out and run my

524
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Speaker 1: pr and just stayed really present in that unless freak

525
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Speaker 1: out about like, oh wow, this is the Olympics.

526
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Speaker 3: But yeah, it was. It was really cool.

527
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Speaker 4: I think before we keep going so I don't have

528
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Speaker 4: to do this in a lack lust their way. In

529
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Speaker 4: the intro, for those that don't fully comprehend what it

530
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 4: means to raise the steeplechase, maybe you should just like

531
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Speaker 4: give that a quick explanation.

532
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Speaker 1: Okay, the steeple chase is three thousand meters of hurdling.

533
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Speaker 1: It on track, so it's seven and a half laps,

534
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Speaker 1: and each lap we have four hurdles which are thirty inches,

535
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Speaker 1: like about the size of the length of your legs

536
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Speaker 1: a little shorter and.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's like just spause there because like you probably

538
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Speaker 4: have some long legs.

539
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but okay, I should say, yes, it's the it's

540
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Speaker 1: it's thirty inches. I'm not gonna assume how long everyone's like,

541
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Speaker 1: but it's thirty inches and there's four hurdles and then

542
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Speaker 1: a water jump, which is thirty a thirty inch hi

543
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Speaker 1: barrier that you jump off of and you clear like

544
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: a ten foot long water pit. It's a very bizarre event,

545
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: but it combines like the endurance needed to like run

546
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Speaker 1: a good five k with like the explosiveness and coordination

547
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: and strength needed for like a field event. So it's

548
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: really fun. And I grew up playing a lot of sports,

549
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: and so like the approach of the water jump is

550
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Speaker 1: like going for an approach and vall ball or going

551
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: to do a layup, like, it's very similar footwork. And

552
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: so it just clicked right away for me. I loved

553
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: it right away. I was good at it right away.

554
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Speaker 1: And yeah, it's wild. If you've never watched it, go

555
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: ahead and you know YouTube it. It's pretty it's pretty wild.

556
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Speaker 2: Oh man, oh man.

557
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Speaker 1: And we're running like like four forty five mile pace

558
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Speaker 1: while you're doing it.

559
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Speaker 2: No big deal.

560
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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, that's like totally normal for everyone. Everyone listening

561
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Speaker 4: to this is like I can like walk down the

562
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Speaker 4: stairs and for a minutes in forty five seconds.

563
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Speaker 1: Yeah, to run a mile, yeah that two miles while

564
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Speaker 1: jumping over stuff.

565
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Speaker 3: Yeah it's interesting.

566
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Speaker 4: But yeah, Okay, So now that we have a better

567
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 4: understanding of that, I just wanted to make sure we

568
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Speaker 4: got that out.

569
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Speaker 2: Of the way.

570
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Speaker 4: You you mentioned that your approach at that first Olympics

571
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Speaker 4: was like, this is just another opportunity for me to

572
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Speaker 4: show up with the track. Now, I would assume as

573
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Speaker 4: you progressed in your career and became more well known,

574
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Speaker 4: gained more and more people, more and more eyes on you,

575
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Speaker 4: were you able to keep that perspective as you kept

576
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Speaker 4: on your way.

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Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, I've I've been I've been used

578
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Speaker 1: to having like a target on my back or being

579
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: the favorite in the in my event, but just the

580
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: scale has.

581
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Speaker 3: Changed, you know, So like at first it was like,

582
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Speaker 3: oh the.

583
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,479
Speaker 1: Local meet Emma, You're you're gonna win, and it's like,

584
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Speaker 1: so I was used to having the expectation to be great,

585
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: and the pond just got way bigger. But it scaled

586
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Speaker 1: up with me as like I grew into it appropriately,

587
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: Like I didn't have an insane, random rogue race that

588
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: like I was super young and I won the Olympics,

589
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: and I like all of a sudden was like, oh

590
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Speaker 1: my gosh, what is this pressure? Like I very much

591
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: grew up and grew into that expectation and pressure pretty naturally.

592
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Speaker 1: So like you know, in twenty ten, it's like, oh,

593
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: Emma can win conference. Oh okay, So that expectation of saying,

594
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Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't. I didn't win Nationals that year,

595
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: but like I was used to having that expectation of

596
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: this is your race, You're gonna go out and you're

597
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Speaker 1: gonna execute this and win. And then since twenty eleven,

598
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: basically since twenty eleven, I've either for the last ten years,

599
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Speaker 1: I've either been ranked number one in the US or

600
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Speaker 1: won the US Championship, And so I'm used to having

601
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Speaker 1: that within the US A that as my expectation, and

602
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: so scaling it to the world stage.

603
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Speaker 3: I don't win many races globally, but.

604
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Speaker 1: I always say I can, you know, I always say, like,

605
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Speaker 1: all right, I can. I can win this, and I

606
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: can be in the top three, or I can be

607
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: in the front. But that expectation and pressure just kind

608
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: of like it felt appropriate given how I kind of

609
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Speaker 1: aged into it, and it scaled up with.

610
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Speaker 2: Me speaking of scaling bring us to Rio.

611
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Rio was a similar experience on the track

612
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: as Tokey as sorry as London, with me just saying,

613
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Speaker 1: you know, this is another race, this is four hundred

614
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: meters and just go out and execute my plan. But

615
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: London it was still like I walked the opening ceremonies

616
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: and I stayed in the village and I did more

617
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 1: of like the Olympic like Vibe Rio was like a

618
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: work trip. I didn't stay in the village, I didn't

619
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Speaker 1: do opening ceremonies. I was there to win a medal,

620
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Speaker 1: and like didn't do any of the fun jazzy stuff.

621
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Speaker 1: So that was the only difference. But it felt like

622
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Speaker 1: a regular track meet of like I'm flying a you know,

623
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Speaker 1: across the world, and I'm gonna line up and do

624
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: this race and go and execute it. And for a

625
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: lot of the race I was in fourth. I came

626
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: in ranked like third or fourth, but like a medal

627
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: was definitely possible. And I ran a lot of the

628
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Speaker 1: race in fourth, and I remember at one point thinking

629
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Speaker 1: fourth in the world. That's pretty great, you know, like

630
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: that's good. And then the moment that thought crossed my mind,

631
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, I went and like chased

632
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: down third, and then I was kicking hard and almost

633
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: got second but didn't didn't, you know, lost second place

634
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: by like you know, a half second or something. But

635
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: I ended up in third, and crossing the finish line

636
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: as an Olympic bronze medalist is like so powerful, so special,

637
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: my family was there. That was also the first medal

638
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: I have ever won on a global stage. So when

639
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: you win a global medal, you get to hold the

640
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: American flag up over your head and do a lap

641
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: of honor, and that was just so powerful, and you know,

642
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot of years of hard work go

643
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: into those moments, and as I experienced in Tokyo spoiler alert,

644
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: I know we're going chronologically, but it didn't. I didn't

645
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: get that moment. And when it goes great, it feels

646
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: like like I worked so hard and this is so

647
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: great to have this reward. But then like I wake

648
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: up the next day and I still got a train,

649
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: I still got a race, And like that was true

650
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: after Tokyo too, like whatever happens, you're still are continuing

651
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: to seek better than you were the day before, and

652
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: so that was a really special moment, but continued on

653
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: training and like you know, then the next year, won

654
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: the World Championship gold and that was again like getting

655
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: that flag and getting being the best in the world

656
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: on that day was like so cool and loved that

657
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: so much. But you know, but just like we're always working,

658
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Speaker 1: and so even when you have the best days of

659
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: your life. At work, you're still trying to repeat that

660
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Speaker 1: and be better and be faster and find the next

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Speaker 1: frontier that you can, you know, push yourself to be great.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've been thinking about that a lot lately,

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Speaker 4: because I mean, am nowhere near an elite runner. But

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Speaker 4: I had a couple of really good marathons over the

665
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Speaker 4: last couple of years, and so I asked myself, like,

666
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Speaker 4: do I actually want to do that again?

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Speaker 2: Like, I mean, do I want that feeling again? Of course?

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Speaker 4: But can I be content with like those being the best.

669
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Speaker 4: And It's an interesting question to ask yourself, right, because

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Speaker 4: I think in our gut, like we are exactly what

671
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Speaker 4: you're saying, like always chasing that like next best feeling

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Speaker 4: or to replicate a really great moment. But maybe there's

673
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Speaker 4: a point that like you've just got to be like, hey,

674
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Speaker 4: like those were really great moments, and like I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: find really great moments maybe in some other way.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree.

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Speaker 1: I remember after the Olympics, I left my coaches from

678
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: college who coached me through the Olympics, and Joe, my fiance,

679
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: started he was my fiance then now he's my husband.

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Speaker 1: He started coaching me, and I remember thinking and talking

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Speaker 1: with him of like if I never run a step

682
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Speaker 1: faster again or win another medal, like I am happy,

683
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Speaker 1: Like I am happy with my career. I'm proud of

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Speaker 1: what I've done. And to your point, like finding joy

685
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Speaker 1: and those in those good moments and reflecting on them,

686
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: be like that was great, and like I'm not gonna

687
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:12,479
Speaker 1: be obsessive about finding that perfection again, but like it's

688
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: healthy to stop and smell the roses and celebrate wins

689
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: along the way and like feel gratitude in that. But

690
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Speaker 1: then it's also I think human nature and certainly within

691
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Speaker 1: athletes to like seek self improvement. And so if seeking

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Speaker 1: self improvement doesn't result in like one perfect day, that's fine.

693
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Speaker 1: But like trying to guide your life in a way

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Speaker 1: that you are trying to improve and you're trying to

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Speaker 1: be better and you're not just like like thrown in

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Speaker 1: the towel whatever it is you're doing, I think is important.

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Speaker 1: But I agree, like finding peace and happiness in those

698
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Speaker 1: those good happy moments, your fast marathons or mind metals

699
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: like those, that's important to just be grateful for what

700
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Speaker 1: those were and be happy and smile when you think

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a psychology expert names doctor Seyanbrian on

703
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 4: the show recently, and she talked to me about why

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Speaker 4: it is to remember why it is that we set

705
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Speaker 4: goals right, and oftentimes the pursuit of the goal is

706
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Speaker 4: we're doing this because we're doing something that's supposed to

707
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Speaker 4: bring us joy, and sometimes because of just like getting

708
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Speaker 4: wrapped up in life and what's going on, we kind

709
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Speaker 4: of lose sight of that, right, And if you're not

710
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Speaker 4: having fun going after your goals, and like, what's the

711
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Speaker 4: point of going after these goals in the first place,

712
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Speaker 4: Because in my mind, they like life's too short, But

713
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Speaker 4: I do think that it's super easy to get wrapped

714
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Speaker 4: up in that and then you're like, hmmm, wow, what

715
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Speaker 4: just happened for the last Like you blink your eyes

716
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Speaker 4: and it's like all this stuff just happened, and like

717
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Speaker 4: did you even enjoy the process totally?

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what's fun about the team of

719
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Speaker 1: women I train with now is like we don't have'm

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Speaker 1: I'm sponsored by New Balance, but we don't have a

721
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Speaker 1: group sponsor. So it's just a group of independent women

722
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Speaker 1: who have like decided that we want to train together.

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Speaker 1: We want to have Joe as our coach, We want

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Speaker 1: to live in Boulder and work hard together. And because

725
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Speaker 1: there's that independence and choice involved, Like we are so

726
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Speaker 1: happy because you're every day choosing that, Like I want

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Speaker 1: to be here, and like this is something no one's

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Speaker 1: forcing me to do this, This is something that I'm choosing.

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Speaker 3: I'm enjoying it.

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Speaker 1: I'm enjoying this process and like whatever that end result

731
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Speaker 1: of that goal is, like we win some, we lose some.

732
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Speaker 1: Like we are enjoying that process so much, and we're

733
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Speaker 1: so happy in that and that like every day we're

734
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Speaker 1: making a choice to show up for each other, that

735
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Speaker 1: we're we're all generally thriving, you know, and like again,

736
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Speaker 1: the races might be bad or they might be great,

737
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Speaker 1: but that process, like you're saying, is so it's important

738
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Speaker 1: to find that happiness in it.

739
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Speaker 4: And like come back to that conversation before about the

740
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Speaker 4: importance of the people that you surround yourself with is

741
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Speaker 4: really important. Plus the idea of that, I like want

742
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Speaker 4: to note like the perspective right, like we're all generally thriving,

743
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 4: but we're coming off of like for some Olympics, I

744
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 4: didn't go as you had hoped, and I know, like

745
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 4: Ayisha is coming back from this injury, and like, there's

746
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 4: so many things that you all are dealing with, but together,

747
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 4: as long as you have that support, it's like a

748
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Speaker 4: community greatness.

749
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we we there's never a moment that ten

750
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Speaker 1: out of ten everyone is perfect and happy and healthy

751
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Speaker 1: and running their prs. It that's just life. You're never

752
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Speaker 1: going to sync up perfectly where everyone's best moments sync up.

753
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Speaker 1: But the nice thing is, like we you have someone

754
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Speaker 1: on who's your friend and teammate who's thriving, and that

755
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Speaker 1: if you're having a harder time, you can be like

756
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Speaker 1: one like my time will come to I can like

757
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Speaker 1: look at that person and be like that might be

758
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Speaker 1: me toon, Like I can look to that as like

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Speaker 1: an inspiration. But then you can also just take yourself

760
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Speaker 1: fully out of it and be like, look how hard

761
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Speaker 1: she worked. I witnessed it. Look how smart she was

762
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Speaker 1: in that race, And this is so beautiful and amazing

763
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Speaker 1: for her, and I just want to worship her and

764
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Speaker 1: support her. And so it's it's really nice when you

765
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Speaker 1: have a group of people who you genuinely love and

766
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767
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Speaker 1: can just look to them and their good moments and

768
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Speaker 1: be like, it's all fine, It's all good.

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Speaker 4: from COVID, which is like a whole other thing. But

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Speaker 4: talk to me a little bit about what was going

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Speaker 1: I had a lot of changes. I changed groups. My

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Speaker 1: husband became my coach, team boss. Our team grew. I

846
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Speaker 1: won another medal. I won a silver medal at the

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Speaker 1: Doha World Championships in twenty nineteen and then that end

848
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Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, like the world just turned to garbage.

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Speaker 1: My mom got diagnosed with stage four colon cancer in

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Speaker 1: December of twenty nineteen. Then obviously, like COVID happened for everyone.

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Speaker 1: My sister texted me asking if I was alone. I

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Speaker 1: like sitting on the curb outside of our office, just crying,

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Speaker 1: and Joe came outside and sat with me, and then

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Speaker 1: So I got to see my mom, you know, three

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873
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: has had a lot of like really high highs along

874
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: the way too, and some obviously like some bummer moments

875
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: as well. But that was a pretty uh rough time

876
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: for sure, and especially like right before the holidays, when

877
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: you're just like wanting to be it just brings out

878
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: all the fields, you know, it just brings out more

879
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: of the sentimental gushy side and everyone. And so that

880
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: was a hard That was definitely a hard time. But I,

881
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, luckily was able to just go see her

882
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: pretty soon after. And then the perk, weird perk of

883
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 1: covid as I got to spend most of twenty twenty

884
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: with her living at home, and that was really special too.

885
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: That's like one of the weird high you know, weird

886
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: highlights that came out of it is my sister moved

887
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: to Crest Butte to be with my mom. I spent

888
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: most of twenty twenty in Crestybute with my mom. So

889
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: there are some like beautiful moments in it as well,

890
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: even though it's you know, all very terrible.

891
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 4: When you say like high highs, like what are what's

892
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 4: an example of a high high when someone you care

893
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 4: about is going through chema.

894
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: I think a high high is like those just regular

895
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: happy moments like my mom my, sister and I. When

896
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: I was no longer able to compete after Tokyo, I

897
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: kept trying to train and I wanted to keep competing.

898
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: And then when I finally kind of pulled the plug

899
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: on that, I went to Mexico with my mom and

900
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: sister for a long weekend, and like that's a high

901
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: because you're just you're not thinking about cancer. You're just

902
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: happy and on the beach and in the sun and

903
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: joking around. So I think like making memories that are

904
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: not related to her health are the real high highs.

905
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: And it just everything tastes sweeter, Everything just feels better

906
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: when you get those moments when you know that there's

907
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: potentially a finite amount of that, or when there's just

908
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: heaviness around a lot of other things. When you can

909
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: experience those light things, they feel even like or even better,

910
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: even funnier, even happier, All of that is just saturated,

911
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: so much more enjoy than it was prior.

912
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 4: And I would imagine the low lows again going back

913
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 4: to this idea of like the things that are so

914
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 4: out of your control in those moments you mentioned before

915
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 4: in our conversation, just the importance of your support squad, right,

916
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 4: And I think that we can agree that whether it's

917
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 4: you know, going through something difficult like your family navigating

918
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 4: your mom's journey with cancer. We talked about the holidays,

919
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 4: emotions running rampant during the holidays, so many breakups and

920
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 4: family things and.

921
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 2: Just like tough stuff that people go through.

922
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 4: A lot of women would probably I mean kill is

923
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 4: a strong word, but like, look at your tribe and

924
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 4: they're so envious of your support system because you guys

925
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 4: are just like so close and have such a beautiful bond.

926
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 4: For those that are maybe struggling to find their own tribe.

927
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: What what do you tell them?

928
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 4: What helped you home in on like the right relationships

929
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 4: for you?

930
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: You know, I think you just have to be really

931
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: honest with yourself and a little bit selfish to be like,

932
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, identify the people that make you feel good

933
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: and also the people that you're just like Mom I'm

934
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: I care about you, I wish you success, but like

935
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna You can't please everyone, you can't maintain

936
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: really deep, meaningful relationships with every single person you come across.

937
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 3: And so I think.

938
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: I was always that way just in regards even with

939
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: my running, Like I was very protective of who I

940
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: was surrounding myself with that you know, they had to

941
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: bring me like joy and positivity and humor and and

942
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: so I've always kind of been that way. And the

943
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: experience my family has had with my mom is no

944
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: different that. It's it's those people that bring you that joy,

945
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: that don't make you, you know, that don't expect you

946
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: to give them tremendous input back when you're in the pits,

947
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: you know. And and I think the combination of my

948
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: team team Boss, like those girls are my closest friends.

949
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: They're you know, we can chat about anything highs lows,

950
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: silly stuff, serious stuff, and it's that's just a really

951
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: great bond. And I think finding friendships through sport is

952
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: so critical for that, and it really creates these vulnerable

953
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: environments that you can bond and share things with. So

954
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: obviously that component of like my people in my world

955
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: that those girls matter so much to me.

956
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 3: And then.

957
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: I just was lucky that I met my husband and

958
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: when I was in high school, so meeting, you know,

959
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: marrying your high school sweetheart works out to where they

960
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: know everything good and bad and they're just they're just

961
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 1: there without needing you to actually ask anything of them

962
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: or ask you know, it's great when you know someone

963
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: so deeply where they can just give you what you

964
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: need and you don't even know you need it. And

965
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: then the other support is, yeah, my family and specifically

966
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: my sister. She and I are are best friends. And

967
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: again same thing as with my husband, like finding that

968
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: person that you can just sit with and not have

969
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: to like say anything, and you just know what each

970
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: other are thinking and you can support each other without

971
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: having to be over the top or dramatic. I think

972
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: when someone is navigating a hard time, whether it's a

973
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: breakup or family stuff or grief or loss, my biggest

974
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: pet peeve is when there's someone who needs you to

975
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: need them, you know, when they're so desperate to be

976
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: your savior and they're so desperate to be you're the

977
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: person who will like pick you up, and sometimes you

978
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: need that and sometimes you don't and so if you're

979
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: a friend of someone who's experiencing sadness, I think it's

980
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: important to like obviously be there for them, but give

981
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: them space and they'll, you know, they'll tell you if

982
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: they need something, or you can give them little, you know,

983
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: gifts or texts or hints or whatever. But I think

984
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: finding those people who uh know you so deeply and

985
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: love you so deeply but don't expect necessarily anything back

986
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: when you're in those bad moments. And I definitely have

987
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: that with all my you know, teammates and Joe and

988
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: my family, So that's been very lucky.

989
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 4: I think the first thing to double click on there

990
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 4: when you were talking about like knowing what you're looking

991
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 4: for in your relationships and knowing yourself well enough and

992
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 4: like having your own boundaries, like being able to articulate

993
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 4: all of that stuff is really important if you want

994
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 4: to be able to land in on your people, your tribe,

995
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 4: Like having that like mutual understanding and like kind of

996
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 4: like the same ideas of like what it means to

997
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 4: be there for someone is just like so so important.

998
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 4: And I really respect actually what you just said about

999
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 4: like navigating grief from a friendship POV, because I think

1000
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 4: that you know with that person that you were exemplifying,

1001
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 4: It's like that person like they their intention is to

1002
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 4: do good. But really what is necessary sometimes in our

1003
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 4: strongest friendships is to take a step back and ask

1004
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 4: like am I doing this because I feel like I

1005
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 4: need this? And that's like a little bit selfish? Or

1006
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 4: am I doing this because I'm truly trying to help

1007
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 4: and asking yourself like how can I be the best

1008
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 4: friend in this moment? And sometimes especially with grief, it's

1009
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 4: like people are just like trying to do the best

1010
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 4: they can to like stay above water, you know what

1011
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 4: I mean?

1012
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think there's everyone is so different, Like

1013
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: my girlfriends know that I don't like gushy sad face.

1014
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: Are you doing okay? Like I don't like that. If

1015
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: you want to cheer me up, like go to brunch

1016
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 1: with me, like buy me some pancakes. That's like everyone

1017
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: has their different love language or their different way of needs.

1018
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: Some some friends really just want a text to say

1019
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: like I love you, I'm here for you, you know

1020
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Every person is different, and being a

1021
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: great friend is like knowing how your friends tick, you know.

1022
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: And I've been really lucky to have, yeah, people around

1023
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: me who know how I tick and can be really

1024
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: supportive in my varying degrees of sadness or happiness or

1025
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: success or failures or mom stuff or track stuff, whatever

1026
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, I've been lucky in that way.

1027
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 4: It's a choice, right, Like you choose not to play

1028
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 4: the victim or woe is me, or live in this grief,

1029
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 4: but rather like celebrate the things that are and the

1030
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 4: things that you have control over.

1031
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think obviously there's days that it's like, oh,

1032
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: that really sucked, like Tokyo that was really hard, or

1033
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: certain certain moments in my mom's journey have been like

1034
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: really tough, or you know when the Olympics first got

1035
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: postponed in March twenty twenty, like oh that that's a bummer.

1036
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: There's moments that are sad and you don't have to

1037
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: fake that you're not disappoints. It's you were allowed to

1038
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: be sad or disappointed. But I think finding ways to

1039
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: move on and control you can control and find happiness

1040
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: is yes, how the best way I've known how to

1041
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: cope with it. And and yeah, even before my mom

1042
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: was sick, that's kind of what what our life was

1043
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: was you know, through these hard times, finding the good

1044
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: and finding the happiness, whether it's something really small or

1045
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: a vacation, something bigger, you know, you got to find

1046
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: that happiness.

1047
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 4: When you think about twenty twenty as a whole and

1048
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 4: the hurdle moments that it entailed, do you recall any

1049
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 4: of maybe the best advice that you got going through

1050
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 4: those difficult times to push forward.

1051
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: I don't have like a one liner to give you.

1052
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: I wish I did, but in general, Joe, both like

1053
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: in his role as our coach, but then also like

1054
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: as my husband, he was just giving the advice of like, guys,

1055
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: we can't freak out. We can we can only do

1056
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: what we can. So let's get really fit, let's make

1057
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: our own races, let's try and have fun. Let's you know,

1058
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: make the most of this time. And so I think

1059
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: thinking too far ahead. Whether that's like in a race,

1060
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 1: you know you feel bad one lap in, that doesn't

1061
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:27,479
Speaker 1: necessarily matter. You can't think too far ahead in life.

1062
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: If you think too far ahead and get anxiety about

1063
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: what that future stuff is, those future problems like that's

1064
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: not gonna be a healthy, happy way to live or exist.

1065
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: And so yeah, Joe was just reminding us a lot

1066
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: of you know, be in this moment, make the best

1067
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: out of today, this week, this month, whatever we can.

1068
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: We don't know what's gonna happen next, Like let's just

1069
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: do our best and you know, get fit and be

1070
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: safe and that's all we can do.

1071
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 4: Tokyo has come up sporadically over our conversation. Why don't

1072
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 4: you talk me through some of the other things that

1073
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 4: happened for you in twenty twenty one.

1074
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one, I won my ninth US Championship, setting

1075
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: the trials record at the time, and then Tokyo did

1076
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: not go well. I was expected to win a medal.

1077
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: That was my plan, that was my goal. I was

1078
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: perfectly prepared, and the climate just fried me. It was really,

1079
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: really tough, and the stubborn athlete in me is like, no,

1080
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 1: I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine, and then like die.

1081
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: So I wasn't listening to my body as much as

1082
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: I should have while I was there. I was just like,

1083
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: I am going to be great, and like, I don't

1084
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: the fact that I'm like dying and my heart rates

1085
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: super high and I'm sweating so much every day, Like

1086
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter I'm going to be.

1087
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Speaker 3: Great, and turns out I died.

1088
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: I was fried, and so that race was really sad

1089
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: and disappointing. And then I tried to come back to

1090
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: Colorado and get back into training, and my mind was ready.

1091
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: My mind was like, let's freaking go, I'm ready, but

1092
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: my body was like revolting.

1093
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 3: It was not into it.

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00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 4: So you're saying, like, you got out there and like

1095
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 4: you realized pretty quickly you were fried, but you had

1096
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 4: a race to run. So talk to me about mentally,

1097
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 4: like where you were at and how you even managed

1098
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 4: to keep going as you pretty quickly realized that things

1099
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 4: weren't going as you had hoped.

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's so common in races that early

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00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: on you feel terrible and then the race turns out great.

1102
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: Like in twenty seventeen when I won the World Championships,

1103
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: I felt like crap for the first two k and

1104
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: then it was like on the rails, and then you know,

1105
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: when I had two laps to go, I started feeling

1106
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: great and had more momentum and all of that. So

1107
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: there's there's many races that like, your body's not feeling

1108
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: it early on, and you just ignore that because you

1109
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: pushed through, and you've pushed through so many times to

1110
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: have success on the other side, so I wasn't. And

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00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: really there wasn't a point in the race, maybe until

1112
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: the last five hundred meters that I doubted that I

1113
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: would thrive in the end. You know, I thought I

1114
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: could get it back together. I thought I could start accelerating,

1115
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: and I was, you know, doing all the mental tricks

1116
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: I knew how to do. I was, you know, definitely

1117
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: engaged like mentally and other than you know, for most

1118
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: of the race, I was in the pack of women

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00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: that ended up winning medals, So I felt like I

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00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: was gonna push through, not even though physically I didn't

1121
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: feel great. And then yeah, with like six hundred to

1122
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: go or five hundred to go, I just felt losing

1123
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: a lot of control of what my body was doing.

1124
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: And the woman who was behind me at the bell

1125
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: with four hundred to go, she ended up getting fifth.

1126
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: So like, even had my last lap just gone a

1127
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: little bit better, it would have been a lot better day.

1128
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Speaker 1: But you know, when my body was not responding, and

1129
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: I you know, look down at one point and my

1130
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: arm was like crooked up and I couldn't move it

1131
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: back to a normal running position. I was like, what

1132
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: is happening to my body? I just can't control anything

1133
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: that's happening. And then you have to jump over stuff

1134
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: while you're doing that, and I fell because of that,

1135
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: Like it's hard to jump over things when your body's

1136
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: not listening to what your mind is telling it to do.

1137
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:30,439
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it was terrible. And my headspace though,

1138
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: up until yeah, like five hundred meters ago, was that

1139
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: I believe I can, you know, do great and keep

1140
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: pushing and this is still gonna be my day and

1141
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna run strong and finish hard and you know,

1142
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: maybe not win the race, but still have a good effort.

1143
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, it fell apart that last lap or lap

1144
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: and a half.

1145
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 4: You know, it's so interesting you said, like the mental

1146
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 4: tricks that I know, and I think that so many

1147
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 4: who have similar experiences, obviously not on an Olympic stage,

1148
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 4: but where things aren't going as they would hope a

1149
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 4: lot struggle to get out of that like what CA

1150
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 4: and be at times slipping into like this self deprecation,

1151
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 4: like just like this, like what.

1152
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 3: The hell is happening here?

1153
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 4: This isn't going as I would hope, Like just angry,

1154
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 4: so in your let's call it like your your mental

1155
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 4: tricks toolbox, Like what do you pull out of there

1156
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 4: when like those thoughts can seep in.

1157
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 2: Maybe not in this moment specifically, but just in general.

1158
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: I think it's so dependent on what stage in the

1159
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: race I am in. You know, early on in the race,

1160
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to ignore whatever my body's telling me

1161
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: and to just be mentally relaxed, be really relaxed and smooth.

1162
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: And if my body's like not feeling smooth and relaxed,

1163
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: I just tell you know, I repeat over and over,

1164
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: I'd like stay relaxed, stay relaxed, to just trick it.

1165
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: And then as the race progresses, it's it's typically more

1166
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: of thinking back to past workouts or trying to break

1167
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: down like you know, get through this kilometer, get through

1168
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: the next two laps, and really just self talk about

1169
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: like the logistics of the race. There's there's not any

1170
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: grand thing of me saying you're amazing, I believe in you,

1171
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: like I'm not doing that kind of stuff. But I'm

1172
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,919
Speaker 1: more just like breaking down the logistics of it to say,

1173
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: like all right, you know, really strong water jump here

1174
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: and hoping that will kind of click me into a

1175
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: good rhythm. So it's I've just been doing it for

1176
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: so many years and have had a varying degree of

1177
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: success in races. And I've had races again that I

1178
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: feel terrible and I end up thriving in, or races

1179
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: that I feel great in but don't have that last

1180
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: gear to really cross the finish line as successfully as

1181
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: I thought I could. And I think for people who aren't,

1182
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, competing at the Olympic level, I think it's

1183
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: important to remember that, like it's supposed to be uncomfortable.

1184
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: Running is supposed to be uncomfortable. So if you're doing

1185
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: a race or a workout and you're doing some sprints

1186
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: or strides beforehand and you feel kind of flat or bad,

1187
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: like that's super common for everyone, don't you know, don't

1188
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: read too much into that. And then when you are

1189
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,479
Speaker 1: in the hurt locker in the middle of the race,

1190
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: like that's what it's supposed to feel like, and it

1191
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: feels like that for everyone around you, and so don't

1192
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: feel sorry for yourself. Just push through that moment.

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01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 4: It's funny, I mean, this is making me think of

1194
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,439
Speaker 4: that like analogy that you hear so often when you're

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01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 4: like a total beginner runner, and we're talking about like

1196
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 4: running from like one like street lamp or street light

1197
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 4: to the next street light, and it's like, just keep

1198
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 4: going until you get to the next one.

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Speaker 2: Just keep going until you get to the next one.

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01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 4: And sooner or later after you keep going until you

1201
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 4: get to the next one, you realize how far you've

1202
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 4: come and what a major accomplishment.

1203
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 3: Totally.

1204
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 4: So it's like whether you're a total movie or you're

1205
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 4: a pro like you, it's like sometimes the logistics, you know,

1206
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 4: they might seem like a little particular, but those can

1207
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 4: be like putting your thoughts into these like just get

1208
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 4: over the next small moment and the next Ryan Hall

1209
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 4: has a book, I mean, run the mile you're in.

1210
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 4: That's what it's all about, of like run this mile

1211
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 4: and don't worry about what's next. Or on the track,

1212
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 4: it's often like all right, get through this next lap,

1213
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 4: get through this next kilometer, or yeah, get to that

1214
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 4: next light post, or sometimes if I'm like on a

1215
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 4: hard a hard training run, it's like, all right, get

1216
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 4: to that top of the hill. Then when you're at

1217
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 4: the top, like get your heart rate down and like

1218
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 4: just having those little markers or goals definitely can help anyone,

1219
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 4: and it kind of takes your mind off of the greater,

1220
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 4: bigger question of like is this successful?

1221
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: Am I worthless? Is this gonna be a good day

1222
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: or a bad day? Like you don't have to think

1223
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: that that grand You can just think more focused on

1224
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: like the next step ahead of you.

1225
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 4: And I would have to think that this mindset has

1226
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 4: become like very app coal for you in so many

1227
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 4: other aspects of your life as well.

1228
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think in general, I'm a pretty

1229
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: I don't get like rattled very easy by like big things.

1230
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: I get rattled when like there's a long line at

1231
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: the post office like that bothers me, or like a

1232
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: long security line at the airport like that stuff bothers me.

1233
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: But like actual real big life stuff or racing or

1234
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: grief or loss whatever, all these big deal life things,

1235
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: like I can usually just focus more into like, all right,

1236
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: what what can I do right now or today? Or

1237
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: what is in my control in this situation? And that

1238
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: brings a lot of like peace and calm and clarity,

1239
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: And it's definitely yeah reflective and running that what can

1240
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: I control right now while I'm hurting terribly in this

1241
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: workout or this race, I can control getting through this rep.

1242
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: I can control, like my effort in this rep is

1243
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: going to be solid, and then I'll tackle that next step.

1244
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: Or in bigger life things, it's like what can I

1245
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: control now? And if I don't have control of it,

1246
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: like find a way to exist peacefully in it and

1247
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: preserve of like some sanity and happiness through that.

1248
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 2: It's a really really good approach.

1249
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 4: I've got to ask, how is your mom doing now?

1250
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: She is the same, which is great, not great. She

1251
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: is just having chemo every two weeks, so she is

1252
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: like her day to day super energized, looks great, you

1253
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: would never know she's sick. She's her regular old self.

1254
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: But then every two weeks she has to have chemo,

1255
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: which obviously is challenging. She's had thirty one rounds of

1256
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: chemo and she's just the little energizer bunny. I don't

1257
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: know how she does it, and she just has a

1258
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: great attitude and but yeah, unfortunately just has to be

1259
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:40,919
Speaker 1: getting treatment all the time.

1260
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 4: Well, my thoughts and my prayers are certainly with you

1261
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 4: and your family and your mom and all of my

1262
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 4: well wishes. I often ask this question on the show,

1263
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 4: and it's kind of interesting to ask you this, thinking

1264
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 4: about the things that you're not always sharing on Instagram

1265
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 4: keeping us up to date with your training journey. Five

1266
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 4: hundred and twelve thousand plus people keeping up with you

1267
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 4: there seeing a runner, an athlete, a devoted partner, a

1268
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 4: training partner, a wife, a daughter, a sister. When you

1269
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 4: look in the mirror, what is it that you see

1270
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 4: looking back at you?

1271
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: You know, I just am Emma. So I think a

1272
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: lot of I don't think much about any of that stuff,

1273
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's fun and it's it's just

1274
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: like part of life and whatever. But both on track,

1275
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: major successes, on track, major failures, I just still feel

1276
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: like myself. And so I think I was able to

1277
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: bounce back pretty quickly emotionally from Tokyo because I just

1278
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: know who I am and what I care about and who,

1279
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, the people in my life that love me

1280
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,919
Speaker 1: for me, and so my identity is never wrapped up

1281
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: in my running success or my Instagram followers or anything

1282
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: like that, or my running failures. It's so separate from that,

1283
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: and that makes me. You know, I'm so passionate about

1284
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: my running, and I think my personality. I get stronger

1285
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: through running and all of that. But yeah, when I

1286
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: look in the mirror, I definitely don't just see me,

1287
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: you know me, just me, just a girl.

1288
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 2: What excites you right now?

1289
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: I feel just excited to be back in the rhythm

1290
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: of training. I think that's going to be you know,

1291
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: that's getting back into the rhythm. My body's feeling good again.

1292
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: So just getting back into training with the team. All

1293
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: of us are back running together after having our fall

1294
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: kind of off season, So that excites me. Just getting

1295
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: back with my girls working hard.

1296
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 4: All right, am, final question right now, you have an

1297
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 4: opportunity to give yourself one piece of advice during the

1298
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 4: hurdle moment, which was finding out about your mom and

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Speaker 4: the difficulty you experienced back then. Looking back on that,

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Speaker 4: what do you tell you?

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Speaker 1: I would say a couple things. First, I would say that, like,

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Speaker 1: cancer is complicated. I think I thought it was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you have like six months of chemo and you're really

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Speaker 1: sick and you lose your hair and you're in a hospital,

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Speaker 1: and then like you're okay or you're not.

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Speaker 3: But I didn't realize like, no, you just live.

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Speaker 1: With it for years and get treatment all the time,

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Speaker 1: and you're not like you're not like cured or not cured.

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Speaker 1: It's just not as simple. And so I think I

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Speaker 1: would tell her to like be patient and that like

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Speaker 1: it's not super simple and that you know, Mom's going

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Speaker 1: to be sick for a long time. And then like

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Speaker 1: outside of the actual like logistics of chemo and cancer,

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Speaker 1: I would say, you know, just spend as much time

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Speaker 1: with you as you can. That's all we can do.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, taking little trips together and being home, like

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Speaker 1: that's the stuff that matters.

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Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for the time we had today. How

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Speaker 2: do the hurdlers follow along with you? How do they

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Speaker 2: keep up with you? Give me all the details, let's see.

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Speaker 1: You can follow me on Instagram at Emma Coburn. You

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Speaker 1: can also follow me on Twitter. I'm not as active

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Speaker 1: there at Emma J. Coburn And uh yeah, I also

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Speaker 1: if you ever want to come meet me in person.

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Speaker 1: Every year, every year I do a five k race

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Speaker 1: for a cancer charity in my hometown. The race is

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Speaker 1: called ELK Run five k and that is instagram at

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Speaker 1: Elk Run five k and you can come meet me.

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Speaker 1: It's at the end of September in Colorado. Every year,

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Speaker 1: So if you want to hang out in person, come.

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Speaker 2: There and can't forget your cookbook if you want to.

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Speaker 1: If you want to, I also sell a bunch of

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Speaker 1: random stuff, so I love to cook. You can buy

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Speaker 1: my cookbook at emmacoburn dot com. And I sell some

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Speaker 1: other like exercise products. Yeah, come come shop shop my store.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 4: I'm over at Emily Body and at Hurdle Podcast Another

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Speaker 4: Hurdle conquered.

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Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.