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Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod meets Twirld, the podcast from two guys

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Speaker 1: who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the

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Speaker 1: Stars but took it on and walked away experts. So

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Speaker 1: now we've turned to Traders, another show that I've never seen,

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Speaker 1: while Will is convinced that he could win it. We

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Speaker 1: are Wilfredell and Ryder Strong, two best friends. One's a

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Speaker 1: TV expert, one's a TV skeptic, both dance scholars. Yep,

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Speaker 1: this is Pod meets Tworld Trading places, and today we

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Speaker 1: have a guest. Though we have the quickly become undeniable

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Speaker 1: thought leaders and experts on this season of Traders and

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Speaker 1: the game itself, we are still somewhat in the dark

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the Bravo universe. Whether you're a

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Speaker 1: real housewife, a Shaw of Sunset, a vander Pump ruler

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Speaker 1: is the one that takes place in a boat. You

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Speaker 1: are prime to become a Trader, it seems. So we

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Speaker 1: decided to call in an expert, someone who knows everything

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Speaker 1: about this very specific sect of reality TV, to help

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Speaker 1: us decipher what we should know about these specific contestants,

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Speaker 1: whether they're still in the game or have already been

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Speaker 1: murdered or banished. So welcome to Pod Meets Twirl. The

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Speaker 1: co host of the Watch What Crappens podcast, Ben man Deelker.

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Speaker 2: Hi there, Hello, how's it going good?

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Speaker 1: How are you doing? Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, thank you for inviting me on. I'm

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Speaker 3: so excited to have like another excuse to talk about

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Speaker 3: the Traders.

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Speaker 1: And everything else on Bravo because we were lost. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's uh. We're hoping that you're ready to explain a

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Speaker 1: lot because we need this.

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Speaker 2: I can help, That's what I'm here for.

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Speaker 1: All right. Well, let's before we get into all of

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Speaker 1: our million and one questions about the people that appeared

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Speaker 1: this stuff, let's start with your origin story. So how

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Speaker 1: did you become this Bravo expert.

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Speaker 3: I moved to Los Angeles back in two thousand and

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Speaker 3: up on this like assistant track. And when I was

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Speaker 3: when I was being an assistant my roommate at the time,

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Speaker 2: It was like two thousand and four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, what's that? What's a blog?

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Speaker 1: I read about it on MySpace.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it literally was like that.

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Speaker 3: And so we started this blog about TV and it

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Speaker 3: was called TV Gasm and we'd write these recaps. It

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Speaker 3: the digital space. And then long story short, the blog

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Speaker 3: actually blew up. We wound up selling the blog, and

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Speaker 3: we wound up bringing on writers, which is creat it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: So we sold it to be a Murray who does

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Speaker 3: And at that time, Ronnie was blogging to and we're like,

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Speaker 2: And then pod. We just did it.

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Speaker 3: And that was fourteen years ago, and now the you know,

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Speaker 3: the blogs are long gone.

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Speaker 1: And you were always talking about Bravo programming. Was that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was so Originally when we when we did

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Speaker 1: But like that was fourteen years so Housewives has been

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Speaker 3: It was very much docudrama. You know, we're just going

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Speaker 1: Fly on the wall.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so was the It's so it's so interesting because

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Speaker 5: But there was some table.

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Speaker 3: M m yes, New Jersey, Real Housewives of New Jersey.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah that was Season one New Jersey season finale Teresa.

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Speaker 5: Did she lie about actually being a stripper or not

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Speaker 3: real name is Beverly. Oh, I forget what her last

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Speaker 3: name is, but it's Beverly something another. And she was

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Speaker 3: she was a stripper and I think she was like

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Speaker 1: It was Jersey was probably mafia, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very loose term. It's a low term.

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Speaker 4: It means a woman who's dramatic in drinks.

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Speaker 2: But for anyone there, that's the that's.

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Speaker 1: The one where the dude just got into the huge scandal.

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Speaker 5: Who was on Traders last year He cheated with somebody

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Speaker 3: The Bravo just has There's so many just different tiers

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Speaker 3: we do definitely get shows where someone's like, this is

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Speaker 1: Of course, of course, you know, this is something that

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Speaker 2: I think there actually is talent.

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Speaker 3: I think the talent is in This is a hard

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Speaker 3: Now a lot of that producers do drive that they say,

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Speaker 3: they still don't. They don't like land, they don't. They don't,

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Speaker 3: they don't work because there is I think a talent

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Speaker 3: I just can't describe what it is like maximizing.

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Speaker 5: Conflict, like because well no, I mean, but if you

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Speaker 5: I mean, none of these reality shows are actually real.

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Speaker 1: It's your get what you're saying is impromise, right, It's

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Speaker 3: Drama, largely yes, but you can find actually really compelling content.

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Speaker 3: is like there's so much more. It's the conflict. The

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Speaker 3: I actually have a whole thing that Like Bravo reality shows,

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Speaker 3: Like these are made very well and they don't condescend

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Speaker 4: What was the first reality show?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think scholars would say it was like I

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Speaker 3: it's the real world, like.

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Speaker 2: Real world everything.

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Speaker 4: You remember Puck.

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Speaker 2: From San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: They they produced Real World and famously, I forget who

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Speaker 3: You could make an argument that the talent is being

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Speaker 4: They're gone.

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Speaker 3: I know, they're kind of gone because you but you

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Speaker 1: With no no no, And in some ways they're actually

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Speaker 1: moments to know what's going on.

439
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,439
Speaker 3: And actually, so that's where I think a lot of

440
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 3: credit goes the post department and the producers on the shows,

441
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 3: because if you think about it, you're filming people going

442
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:24,239
Speaker 3: out to lunch, going shopping for weeks on end, and

443
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 3: you have to be able to watch that footage and

444
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 3: see that knowing look from someone and be like, oh,

445
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 3: we need to put that reaction shot in because that

446
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 3: is like highlighting the comedy and the scene. Like they

447
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 3: actually have to draw out a lot of comedy and

448
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 3: they do actually a really good job, right.

449
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 1: Okay, So, as somebody who's never seen a single episode

450
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 1: of Housewives, really, I mean I definitely have seen scenes

451
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 1: or clips, but like, I'm curious how much of this

452
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,439
Speaker 1: is like aspirational, like oh, this is a lifestyle I

453
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: wish I could live, And how much of it is like, oh,

454
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: these people are awful. I'm so glad I don't have

455
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: that lifestyle, do you know what I mean?

456
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

457
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 1: Like, what is the ratio? Like it does it alternate

458
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: from scene to scene, from person to person or is

459
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 1: there an overall overall feeling like are we supposed to

460
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 1: be laughing at these people and feeling good about our

461
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 1: less wealthy lives, or are we supposed to be like

462
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 1: I can't wait to be up one of them.

463
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 2: I think it's all of the above.

464
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 1: Okay, honest, I was afraid you'd say that.

465
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 3: I think when this show came out, the vibe was like,

466
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 3: look at these wealthy women in Orange County who live

467
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 3: in the gated community and they're spending thousands of dollars

468
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 3: when they go shopping and they don't have a care

469
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 3: in the world.

470
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 2: Isn't isn't this wild?

471
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 3: You know, so you're kind of like rubber necking and

472
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 3: you're making you are making fun of them because you're

473
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 3: it is aspirational, but you're also saying, you know, like wow,

474
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 3: it must be great to have money.

475
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 2: But like they're wretched people. You know, these are terrible people, and.

476
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: I would be feeding the homeless. I would be doing something. Yeah, nobo.

477
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 3: Out of touch with reality and they don't understand anything.

478
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 3: And I think that's still the pulse that's through all

479
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 3: of these shows. But what's fun is every now and then,

480
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 3: like a poorer person, a quote unquote poorer person aka

481
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 3: probably something is just like you know, middle class right,

482
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 3: uh sort of like gets in and we all are

483
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 3: like why are we why are we here in her

484
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 3: three bedroom house? Like we don't want to see this?

485
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 1: This is yeah no for real immediately people just want

486
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: want to shut it off.

487
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, We're like what is this?

488
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 3: You know, there's a woman right now who's been on

489
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 3: Orange County for like several years and she's like just

490
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 3: solidly a perfect like just lives in middle class life.

491
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 3: But and we're all like, uh, every time it's way

492
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 3: her scenes come on Gina, it's like, oh, here comes

493
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 3: Gina again, and like that's part of her story is

494
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 3: that she was married and then she got to bor

495
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 3: so she moved into a tiny house and everything, and

496
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 3: then she's got now she has like a nice she

497
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: has a nice little nig mansion now and but like

498
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 3: there's still her vibe is like very much not aspirational.

499
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 3: And so when you say, are we looking at it

500
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,239
Speaker 3: for aspirational, Like I don't ever think I watched these

501
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 3: shows like I want to be just like them, but

502
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 3: clearly I have a reaction against like who is this

503
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 3: person who's like you know what who came on on

504
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 3: our TV? Right?

505
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 5: It sounds like to me, and it's a world that

506
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 5: we did not write and I did not know either

507
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 5: in any way, shape or form. This sounds exactly like

508
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 5: being a babyface or a heel in professional wrestling.

509
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: I was just about to say that that's what it is.

510
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 5: It's theatrical. Somebody's good, somebody's bad. You're seeing the fighting.

511
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: It's human cockfighting. I mean, it's it's this.

512
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 4: That's all it is, is professional wrestling.

513
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 3: I often actually equate reality TV to professional wrestling, especially

514
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 3: when The Hills was on.

515
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 2: Did you guys ever watch The Hills?

516
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 6: No?

517
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 1: But I know it. It's like kind of a reality show,

518
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: but it was a scripted reality show, right.

519
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 3: It was definitely like a reality show, but like, yes,

520
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 3: for sure. Like the thing that would always circle around

521
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 3: it was is this scripted? Is this scripted? It feels

522
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 3: like it's scripted, And to this day, that's something that

523
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 3: likes every reality show, and most people, I think, people

524
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 3: who just love genre or love these shows just say,

525
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 3: you know, it's like professional wrestling, Yeah, scripted, but who cares?

526
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: Give me a good story and I'm happy, right, And

527
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 3: I think that's where they're very very similar in that way.

528
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 4: God it's so strange.

529
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I guess it is when you could

530
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 5: when you think about reality with this this type of

531
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 5: reality show, what it is is what we talk about

532
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 5: all the time is the micro world. And so it's

533
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 5: a world you normally would never see or have anything

534
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 5: to do with that now you're thrown into.

535
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 4: I mean, weird example.

536
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 5: So years ago I played Dungeons and Dragons and they

537
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 5: had those little mini figures and I didn't know how

538
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 5: to paint one. So we did a show where people

539
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 5: taught me how to paint one. Okay, that seems like nothing,

540
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 5: but then you learn about this world and there's these

541
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 5: Crystal Brush awards and oh you're talking about this guy.

542
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 5: He's been painting for years, and all of a sudden

543
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 5: you're like, oh my god, there's an entire world here

544
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 5: that I knew nothing about.

545
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. I have I mean speed of Dungeons

546
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: and Dragons. I have like I'm in the board game

547
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 3: hobby too, which is like adjacent. I have behind like

548
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 3: behind this camera that you're like, You're just like, there

549
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 3: are all these worlds. And I think that actually, I mean,

550
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 3: if we can get really academic about it, I think

551
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 3: that like right, I think the rise of the Internet.

552
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 3: I'm gonna by the way, I'm gonna, I'm gonna per

553
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 3: forward a theory that I had done no research on.

554
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: Say that's modern day science. That's what you're talking about.

555
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 3: But we all we are kind of like we have

556
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 3: the rise of the Internet. We're all sort of like

557
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 3: fractured in these different places with what we watch, what

558
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: we listen to. We don't have we don't have like

559
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 3: water coolers anymore. The water cooler moment doesn't really exist

560
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 3: in the same way. We don't all even go to

561
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 3: the office, and we're all just kind of siled off

562
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: into our own interests.

563
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: And so then.

564
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 3: What we do is we find community. We're drawn to

565
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 3: community in these interests. That's why we have like a

566
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 3: rise of podcasts that are around Bravo, there's podcasts that

567
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 3: are around minis. I know that, like you know, and

568
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 3: painting them and everything. And by the way, matter respect

569
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 3: to you for painting your minis. That's really fun to do.

570
00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 4: Thank you.

571
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: I haven't I haven't really teetered into the world of minis.

572
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: I'll teach you. It's it's easy.

573
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 4: You teach me, Bravo, I'll teach you minis.

574
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: I have several friends whore in the world of minis,

575
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 3: but I haven't gone that far yet. But either way,

576
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 3: we like so, you know, when I sit here and

577
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 3: talk about the real house I have all this lore.

578
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 3: To be in a community that like all knows the

579
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 3: lore and can speak the same language is like really

580
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 3: comforting totally. When we're all kind of watching different things,

581
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 3: we're all just sort of isolated in our interests, you know.

582
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: Right.

583
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 5: Well, we've noticed that as well too, because you know,

584
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 5: we do the conventions and we the targeted conventions are

585
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 5: becoming more popular, you know, Nineties Con, Nostalgic Con, and

586
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 5: I know that Bravo.

587
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: Con, Christmas Convention is huge, but Bravocan is enormous.

588
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 5: I mean, it's like this has become a big thing

589
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 5: where you know, this is people getting together and it's

590
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 5: your culture quote unquote of the people that are dressing

591
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 5: like housewives and I hate this one, or I love

592
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 5: this one, or how I mean so straight you might

593
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 5: as well be dressed like Slytherin or or or you know, it's.

594
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 3: It's right, well, I mean, it's it's so. I went

595
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 3: to my Bravo Con this year in November in fact. Hilariously,

596
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: I've never gone to a convention, like properly a convention

597
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 3: where like I booked a hotel room. I've like sort

598
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 3: of gone, I've like done like a few hours that

599
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 3: maybe something here in La like at the E three

600
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: or something, but I've never like done the thing where

601
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: I book a room and have a path three day pass.

602
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: And I went to Bravo com my first convention, and

603
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 3: then four days later I went to my second convention,

604
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 3: which was a board game convention. Yeah, and so I

605
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 3: literally just like dove in, I did back to back

606
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 3: conventions with which I don't know if I would recommend

607
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: to anyone doing that. And also that pivot, the pivot

608
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 3: from like the world of Bravo to board games.

609
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: But now in the Bravo one where you recognized did

610
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: people knows? Yes, I was gonna say you, it seems

611
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: like you should be on a panel at that convention

612
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: or something.

613
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 3: We were, so we actually Ronnie and I got to

614
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: be moderators for one of the pasts for one of

615
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 3: those TV shows, which was great, which is super cool.

616
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 3: It's a weird space. It's it's kind of the headshrip

617
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: when there because all the like there's like a there's

618
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: like a social ladder that happens at bravocan So all

619
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: the real housewives, who in the world of celebrity are

620
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: pretty dlists, at Bravocon they become a lists and then

621
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: if you're a podcaster, you're not even on a list

622
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: to begin with, but then the Bravocon you become like

623
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 3: the C lister, so people recognize you, so you're not

624
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: afforded necessarily the same access.

625
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, this is what it's like, as like,

626
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: I get it.

627
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: I understand why the real housewives sometimes go crazy because

628
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: you get people recognizing you everywhere, but you don't get

629
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 3: any of the respect of someone who's also being recognized,

630
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 3: but it's just on a different tier of celebrity.

631
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: And I thought that was such a fascinating thing to experience.

632
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 5: Okay, so very quickly then if you didn't just out

633
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 5: the gate, you don't even think about it.

634
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 4: Who's the most popular housewife.

635
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: Of all time? Most popular of all time?

636
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 3: I would probably say, in any leaks from Real Housewives

637
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: of Atlanta, I think that she's probably the number one

638
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: most popular. She was like she was on Real Housewives

639
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: of Atlanta. She is uh like There's been no one

640
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 3: ever like her. She's just super funny. Raised it like

641
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 3: super quick. That's the talent, right there is to be

642
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 3: quick and to be ready and when someone comes at

643
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 3: you that you can like pull up a read if possible,

644
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 3: if you can come back, if you can say, well

645
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: what you has to be like a lawyer. The moment

646
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 3: that someone brings up something, you have to be ready

647
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 3: on the counter attack. She was great like that, and.

648
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 4: She oh, I recognize her.

649
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: She's been in a million memes. She is iconic. Towards

650
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 3: the end of her run, she kind of I feel

651
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 3: like the fame got to her head and she's sort

652
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 3: of you know, in my mind, she kind of flamed out.

653
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: But now that she's been an off Brava for many years,

654
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: you definitely have come to appreciate. Like she's like the

655
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Speaker 3: number one. I would say, she's like the number one

656
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Speaker 3: most popular. There may have been a time where Bethany

657
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Speaker 3: Frankel was number one, but she's like she's mister Gunnada.

658
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Speaker 1: So who's most hated?

659
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Speaker 3: Well, I think this week it's Jill's Aaron. I don't

660
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Speaker 3: know if you saw this, did you guess? You guys

661
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: hear about that so Jills Arron, formerly of the Real

662
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: Housewives of New York.

663
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: She was on the first four seasons of that show.

664
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Speaker 3: She got fired in twenty fifteen or so, or twenty ten,

665
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, but she has been God, she's been

666
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 3: wanting to come back to the Real Housewives for years

667
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 3: and years and years.

668
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,479
Speaker 4: I have heard about this.

669
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: I did hear about that.

670
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 4: I just googled, I did hear about this.

671
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: So a few years ago, Bravo overhauled the Real Houseves

672
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: of New York and got rid of the old cast,

673
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 3: much to the chagrin and of a lot of the fans,

674
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 3: and so, like, literally two weeks ago, two and a

675
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: half weeks ago, he announced that they were going to

676
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: start a new reality show called The Golden Life. And

677
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: I was gonna start like the original Real Houses of

678
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: New York, people including Jills Arren, And like everyone's excited

679
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: because it's like the original cast. The super Bowl comes

680
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: around and Bad Bunny does his amazing halftime show, but

681
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 3: not everyone is a fan, and Jill's Arron is one

682
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 3: of them, and she goes onto Instagram and she's like,

683
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: you know what, this was crazy? This was you know,

684
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: I didn't even understand what was this saying? And where

685
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 3: were the white people? I didn't see a single white person?

686
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: Like the part that it's still like very political and

687
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: Lady Gaga, what's going on in the face minds you

688
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: Jills are now looks like a beach ball. But she's

689
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: saying like, well, I can't even recognize Lady Gaga, And

690
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: so he does this whole thing and everyone's just like

691
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: Jill's Aaron. It becomes a thing because it's racist, which

692
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: is like where are the white people? It's like I

693
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 3: don't even understand, I don't understand language, just complaining, and

694
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: she's saying, it's a shame, it's shameful, shameful, shameful, and

695
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 3: everyone just got so mad at her and he fired her.

696
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: So she before the show could even begin shooting, she

697
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 3: got fired.

698
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: Come back.

699
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: Oh no, Okay.

700
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Speaker 2: She's most hated at the moment.

701
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: Okay, so what what season or what cities are their

702
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: housewives in at currently?

703
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 5: Oh wait, let me try to answer, Let me try

704
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 5: to answer. Let me see if if I've learned anything

705
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 5: from my wife.

706
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Speaker 3: Okay, new York, yes, although New York is like New

707
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 3: York is like yes, but there's like they're figuring out

708
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: their cast.

709
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, but oh s yes, is there still Beverly Hills, Yes, Atlanta?

710
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: Yes?

711
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: Was there Potomac that's gone?

712
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: No, Patonmac is happening there. They have an episode coming

713
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: up this Sunday.

714
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Speaker 4: Is there Salt Lake?

715
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 2: Yes?

716
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: Oh wow?

717
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Speaker 4: Are there more?

718
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 3: Or is that it?

719
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: There's Miami?

720
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 5: Oh?

721
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: Okay?

722
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: And starting I think next month we have Rhode Island.

723
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Speaker 1: A new one has their own like sort of personality.

724
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Speaker 2: Did you say in New Jersey?

725
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 5: I didn't in New Jersey? Okay, my god, I missed

726
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 5: a bunch. I missed a bunch.

727
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: It's like Jersey, like, we don't know what's going on

728
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: in New Jersey.

729
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: It's like having a moment that they're they're they're figuring

730
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Speaker 3: things out.

731
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Speaker 5: You know, you're not going to You're not going to

732
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 5: be Jersey Shore for just a Jersey show, by the way.

733
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Speaker 1: And so each one of these has a distinct personality

734
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: or distinct culture, right, Like what is the like the

735
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: reputation of like is OC is the original one?

736
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Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?

737
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: So what could you describe its personality?

738
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: In a nutshell? So was the original one?

739
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 3: So I think it was just purely calising off of

740
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: Z see things at the time. At the time, I

741
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 3: think it was like largely note for being blonde women

742
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 3: from Orange County who were rich, you know. I think

743
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: it was maybe even trying to push kind of like

744
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: what the Californian stereotype was. And in fact, I think

745
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: for the first the first several iterations of the show,

746
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: they were trading on stereotypes, regional stereotypes. So you go

747
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 3: to New Jersey and it's like, oh, look, it's really

748
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 3: Italian Americans. You go to New York and it actually

749
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 3: New York wasn't really like like there's only I think

750
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 3: one Jill's Aaron, I think was like our primarily primary

751
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 3: I think she was like our only Jewish cast member.

752
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 3: But the vibe was very much like that, like, yeah,

753
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 3: that like New York, I'm Jewish by the wayeotype.

754
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just canceled you. He just canceled.

755
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: Like the vibe was my family.

756
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 3: But like fast talking, it's not fast talking like the

757
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 3: New York stereotype. We have Atlanta where we're seeing an

758
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: African American cast and so we're sort of like Bravo's

759
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: trading in on on say and it's actually like but

760
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 3: that's also what Jersey Shore did you just mentioned it.

761
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: But one of the reasons why Jersey Shore was such

762
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 3: a huge hit was at that time there were viral

763
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: videos going around that was.

764
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: Like, look look at Jersey Shore.

765
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: Look at all these kids on spring break and they

766
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 3: had the crazy hair and the tans and everything. And

767
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: so MTV was like, we want to go into a

768
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 3: community that we're just sort of seeing from the outside,

769
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 3: and like, isn't this crazy? And I think that's kind

770
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: of what these shows were all doing. But I think

771
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 3: it sort of moved I started to move away from that,

772
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 3: just like, let's find an enclave, enclave of wealthy women.

773
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: Salt Lake City sort of took us into Mormonism, like,

774
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 3: look at these Mormons.

775
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: But then they did the real the real lives of

776
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: Mormon wives.

777
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 3: Right, that's the yeah, the secret lives. Yeah, so yeah,

778
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 3: Salt Lake City. Actually they just like one or two

779
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: who were like really about Mormonism. But it really wasn't

780
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: like that we're gonna peel off, We're not gonna lie.

781
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: It was not a Mormon expose by no means. And

782
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 3: so later seasons like Potomac and Dallas, which is Dallas

783
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 3: is gone now, but those were just more like here's

784
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 3: we're going to a city and here some wealthy some people.

785
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, well we've been forty minutes. That's just Real Housewives.

786
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: I mean I haven't even gotten the Traders yet. So

787
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: let's let's let's dive into Traders and specifically this season.

788
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: Uh okay, So Candace and Lisa our housewives and they

789
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: were both made traders right off the bat.

790
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: Yes, what what did.

791
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: This mean for someone like you who knew more about

792
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: them or there? Had they been on a show together

793
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: or no.

794
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 3: Das was from Potomac, Lisa Rena was on Real house

795
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: was of Beverly Hills.

796
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I don't mean, I don't mean to correct you.

797
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 3: It's Lisa Rena Lisa yeah, which is a phrase that

798
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 3: Denise Richards came up with.

799
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,959
Speaker 2: I'd like to point out, Okay, has made up her own.

800
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 3: So I was very excited because it's also it's been

801
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 3: very exciting for me because I watched the show with

802
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: almost almost everyone who I sit and watch it with

803
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: every Thursday. They don't watch the Housewives, so they have

804
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: no context of who even Candace is. It's hilarious because

805
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 3: the Candace that you guys have seen has been very

806
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: you know, like very composed, very measured, shady but measured.

807
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: But the candas that I know she will go off

808
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 3: on a bit. Okay, she will go off. Oh, yes,

809
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: she goes off. She reads people to fulfilth like she

810
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 3: but and then she will go off on someone. And

811
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: then she's very quick when someone comes back out or

812
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 3: just start crying and she says ooh, and like she's

813
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 3: so dramatic.

814
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 5: So was that a red flag for you then right

815
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 5: away that her personality had changed so much on Traders

816
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 5: that you're like, I instantly would have thought maybe she

817
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 5: was a Trader because she's just not like she was

818
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 5: on The Housewives.

819
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: The Housewives act differently on the Traders, which is interesting.

820
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 3: I think they think they know that their extra, so

821
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 3: they they do rein it in a bit. And I

822
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 3: read something an article last week that had a really

823
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 3: interesting theory that on the Real Housewives, the cast members

824
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: know that their personality has to propel the story forward,

825
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 3: but on The Traders, the format of the show propels

826
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: the story forwards.

827
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 2: They don't have to be as extra.

828
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 3: And also being extra on the show, they do know

829
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 3: enough to that being extra is a liability. Yeah, totally,

830
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 3: because like, honestly, a lot of the housewives have been

831
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: way more restrained on The Traders than they are on

832
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: their Real Housewives shows.

833
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: So is that true of Lisa too? Then you felt

834
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: that she was being more restrained.

835
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, well Lisa. When Lisa has had an interesting journey

836
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 3: on The Housewives. She came in obviously already established as

837
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 3: a persona from soaps melrose Place and various other reality shows,

838
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 3: and when she came onto Real Housewives of Beverly Hills,

839
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 3: it was kind of like a big get. It's like, whoa,

840
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 3: they got, like a real celebrity to be on this show.

841
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 3: And she sort of came on and the Lisa that

842
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: you saw in the beginning of The Traders was what

843
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 3: we saw in Beverly Hills, which is that she was

844
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: sort of like your friendly neighbor, like, Hi, how's it going, huh,

845
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 3: And she just would be very agreeable, but she shot

846
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 3: stirred the pot, and by the end of her time

847
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 3: on Real Housewive she sort of got caught up in

848
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 3: the whole swirl of it and she kind of became

849
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 3: a big villain. And so you sort of see the

850
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 3: same thing happening on The Traders, right, like once. Once

851
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 3: she was put in the hot seat, her personality changed.

852
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 3: But I personally was excited to see her as a

853
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 3: Trader because I know that she can stir the pot

854
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 3: really well, and I was actually hoping that she would

855
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 3: have done more of that, and she actually was. She

856
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 3: fell into that trap of being too passive, right, and

857
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 3: so then she got clocked by Colton of all people,

858
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 3: which made me so mad.

859
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 5: And she also though I have to say, as one

860
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 5: of the few actual actors on the show, some of

861
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 5: her acting wasn't particularly good on Traders, where it was

862
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 5: like ye, that came off as kind of fake, which

863
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 5: was strange.

864
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 3: She had like a lot of headway, Like she she

865
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 3: got a lot of you got a good head start

866
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: on being able to craft her defense and start to

867
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 3: shape the narrative. Yeah, and she's like, I'm going to

868
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 3: get to work. I'm an actress. I could do this.

869
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: And then she does nothing.

870
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 2: Why anything?

871
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 3: Why aren't she starting to plant seeds about Coulton And

872
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 3: when Colton, when Colton sat down with you and said,

873
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: I know you're a trader, but I want to take

874
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: you to the end, like why did you not weaponize

875
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 3: that against him? Why don't you say something like Colton

876
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 3: just accused me of this.

877
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: Oh good call, that's Unfordiately.

878
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: He's wrong, but you guys should all know, like he's

879
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: not here for us, he's only hef if I had

880
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: been a trader, he would have made a deal with

881
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 3: me and then would have sold out every single one

882
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: here of you guys here. So whether or not he

883
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 3: is a trader, I don't know.

884
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: That's that is such a good move, well played.

885
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, why didn't she do that?

886
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 5: Yeah?

887
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: Why didn't she? And why don't she even say not?

888
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 3: Only do I think that he might be a trader,

889
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 3: I think he was trying to find the secret trader

890
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 3: because they don't know. The faithful don't know who this

891
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 3: trader is, right right, you know, for all they know,

892
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 3: Donna Kelsey was was was a normy trader.

893
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: Right, Okay.

894
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 5: So the other question that you know, I want to

895
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 5: ask because they at one point when they have the

896
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 5: dinner scene, the big the big red wedding dinner.

897
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: Scene, essentially a black banquet.

898
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: A black banquet, a banquet and.

899
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 5: They as jam jams being let out, he says, is

900
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 5: it's Lisa, she kissed me, and housewives don't ever kiss

901
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 5: you on the cheek.

902
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: Is that a thing? Or was he just making that up?

903
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 2: He was making that up.

904
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: And what was shocking to me was that Lisa didn't

905
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: immediately she goes, no, I didn't, right, but denial.

906
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 2: Doesn't work on these shows.

907
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 3: No, what you have to say is you know what

908
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 3: this is because of Coulton, Because Colton just drew my

909
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 3: name out of nowhere right, just got dirt on it

910
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 3: the way he did with Tiffany, the way he did

911
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 3: with Michael, and now he's decided it's me and he

912
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 3: thinks he's some genius just because he, along with everyone else,

913
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 3: sniffed out Donna Kelsey.

914
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: He puts, he.

915
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 3: Puts think on my name and now jam Jams throwing

916
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: it out and it's a witch hunt and I'm not

917
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 3: going to stand in for it and its offense.

918
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: So she should have been like righteous or.

919
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: Something and cannas.

920
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 5: But Candace should have also jumped up and been like,

921
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 5: but she kissed me on the cheek, like it would

922
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 5: have been so easy to be like, no, she kissed

923
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 5: me too, Like that's how that's how you you protect

924
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 5: another traders just like just like, no, can't be that.

925
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 4: She kissed me.

926
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: It's risky though, Yeah, it was just so interesting.

927
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: We didn't know if there I was like, are there

928
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: rules to a housewife that we don't know? They don't

929
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: they don't kiss?

930
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: What the hell do we not know?

931
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 3: They are in fact allowed to kiss on the cheek,

932
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 3: although you saw the thing that Kristen Kish said recently

933
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 3: on social media, which is that they went through HR

934
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 3: training and they were told they're not allowed to kiss

935
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 3: each other, So like there never would have been a

936
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: kiss because of HR training. I mean, I don't know

937
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: if that's I don't know if that logic really will

938
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: work on everyone. But yeah, Rinna, she's I think she's

939
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: just like not good on the fly. There was an

940
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 3: episode of Real househse at Beverly Hills. She had talked

941
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 3: about Kim Richards former child sar Kim Richards, who was

942
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 3: a cast member.

943
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 4: She had a drinking thing I remember, yes, yeah.

944
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: And so Rena had talked about Kim's like drinking or

945
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 3: something like that, or her drug use. And then they

946
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 3: had a party and like Kyle Richards, Kim's sister goes

947
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 3: up to Renna and it's like, did you talk about

948
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 3: my sister? Even though it's blaintly on camera Renna just

949
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 3: goes like this when she looks left goes, I don't know.

950
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 3: She's like, I don't remember, Oh my god.

951
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: So she sort of has a history of like just

952
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: not being She doesn't come up with the cover story

953
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 2: really quickly that.

954
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: Kyle Richards, I know that she's been on forever, right.

955
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 2: Since the first season.

956
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I thought, Okay, because the reason I

957
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 5: know this writer is because they were child actors, Like

958
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 5: they grew up, I mean acting from the time they

959
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 5: were was Secret to Witch Mountain or something. I mean

960
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 5: they they've been in things from the time they were kids.

961
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 3: Kim was like the bigger child star, but they both

962
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: were on I think Kyle was on. They both were

963
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: in Halloween or Kyle was in Halloween and she still

964
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 3: is an Halloween today. They now they trot her out

965
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 3: for the new Halloweens because they know the Bravo fandom

966
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 3: we'll talk about it, which is really smart and and

967
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 3: Kim and yeah that's the Richards family has a whole

968
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 3: other interesting you know, and they're like ants to Parasiltan

969
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 3: and all that stuff.

970
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, but they were child actors and it was really

971
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 5: sad because she's obviously got a serious problem.

972
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 3: With Kim does Yeah, I mean actually Beverly sort of

973
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: side talk sidetrack. Beverly Hills is interesting as a franchise

974
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 3: because that's really become a place where former soap stars

975
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: or actors, actresses or actresses I should say, have wound up.

976
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 3: So you have Denise Richards, Garcel Bovet, Lisa Rinna, Eileen Davidson.

977
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: Now Jennifer Chilly is a friend of and she's an

978
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: Oscar Nomney. Jamielee Curtis has shown up on there.

979
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: Do their husbands ever show up on the show?

980
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, right, yeah, okay, yeah, big part, big part

981
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 2: of it.

982
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: So their husbands can't. I can't believe so many people

983
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: agree to do this part.

984
00:44:58,800 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 6: Well.

985
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: I think at first it was much more taboo, but

986
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: I think now it's not really a taboo. I think

987
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 3: people because to gamble it. Yeah, it's a gamble. You

988
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 3: go on and you could come out like beloved and

989
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: the world opens up for you, or you go on

990
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 3: and it's the worst thing you probably ever did for yourself.

991
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: But at the same time, we are unfortunately living in

992
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: an era of what used to be a joke is

993
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: kind of true now where there really almost is no

994
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: unless it's awful. I mean truly awful. There's really no

995
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: such thing as bad publicity anymore.

996
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 5: It's like you're people like it's like, well they're talking

997
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 5: about me, so that's a good thing.

998
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 4: And it's like, is it always.

999
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: A good one? Well, it's like racism. That's like I

1000
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: think that's that's a bad one.

1001
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, or some kind of sexual deviancy or something like

1002
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: that homophobia which happened we saw on Traders, you know,

1003
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: like once it was like, dude, walk this back and

1004
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: he didn't, like, I didn't get him off the show.

1005
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: Honestly, when that moment happened, it didn't strike me as

1006
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: a homophobic moment. And I say this as a gay man. Also,

1007
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pull all my cards. I'm Jewish, I'm gay.

1008
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: It didn't. At that moment.

1009
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 3: It seemed like he was saying something like, you know what,

1010
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 3: you would be the best person to do this because

1011
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 3: you're a trader. Like to me, it sounded like game talk.

1012
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 3: I play a lot of social deduction games, you know.

1013
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 3: I played like Secret Hitler, and I played Was The

1014
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 3: Resistance Avalon and games like that. I don't know if

1015
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 3: you guys have ever played those Yeah, but you know

1016
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 3: a lot of times you make is you wind up

1017
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 3: making these very big, brash statements like that, like you

1018
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 3: were the liar. And I'm not taking away that Colton

1019
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,479
Speaker 3: took it that way because there's intention versus impact, right,

1020
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: But to me, when Colton said, well, oh, you know,

1021
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 3: so you're saying that for like you know, like you know,

1022
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 3: twenty nine years in the closet was easy for me.

1023
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: I was like whoa.

1024
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 3: I was like, he just in my mind, the way

1025
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: I received that was like, whoa, he just pulled the

1026
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 3: gay card on Michael Rappaport. That's crazy, that's so interesting.

1027
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: I really thought that there was no other way to

1028
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: interpret the way Michael Rappaport said it other than because

1029
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: you were in the closet, you must have been lying,

1030
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: for you know, you're good at lying.

1031
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 5: I thought that until I read other things about Colton

1032
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 5: which I didn't know about, and then I was like, Oh,

1033
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 5: did Michael Rapport know that Colton had a really sketchy

1034
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 5: past because he's done some really shady ship.

1035
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: See, I don't know any of that.

1036
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 5: I didn't either until after we had done our thing

1037
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 5: and people were like, we can't call out Michael Rappaport's

1038
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 5: pass without calling out Colton's pass, and I was like, oh,

1039
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 5: I didn't know anything about that, so I didn't know

1040
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 5: if maybe it had something to do with that.

1041
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 4: I didn't know.

1042
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 2: Michael Rapport is garbage, Okay, like he's garbage.

1043
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: But he eats so delicately. Watching is just so delightful.

1044
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: The way he just shovels it in the plate, goes

1045
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: right in the mouth. I mean, like that was one

1046
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: of the most striking visuals.

1047
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 3: But like I it's a complicated situation because just because

1048
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: I say, like, oh, wow, I didn't think that's homophobic,

1049
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 3: that doesn't take away from Colton's reality's reality at the table.

1050
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 5: Or Kristen's or There's it's obviously a lot of a

1051
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:00,479
Speaker 5: lot of people in the gay.

1052
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 4: Community there I was.

1053
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: I was. I could totally see Michael rapper work making

1054
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: that point, not really intending it to be homophobic. But

1055
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: once it's pointed out to him that it's been taken

1056
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: that way, like why he didn't immediately be like, oh

1057
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: my god, wow, that's a good point. I did not

1058
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: mean it that way. I totally understand your point of

1059
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: view now, and Ciity just doubled down on it, like

1060
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: you know what I meant, and.

1061
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, he was. It was he could he

1062
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 3: should have actually managed that moment. Just as a person

1063
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 3: he should have totally, but also as a game player,

1064
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: he should have because he should realize Oaklton's doing this.

1065
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 3: And I just got you know, Kilton really drove me nuts.

1066
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 3: I thought Coulton was so cocky. And the truth is this,

1067
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 3: Colton came really hard at Tiffany with little to his

1068
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 3: The cour zone of Colton's argument about Tiffany was that

1069
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 3: she told Michael Rappaport to get into the cage or

1070
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: at one challenge, and because she did that, it was like, oh, well,

1071
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 3: she's wearing the she's wearing the pants this relationship, so

1072
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 3: therefore she must be a trader. Like that was literally

1073
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: it right, and it was so obnoxious. And I guess

1074
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 3: where I was really disturbed was that, you know, he

1075
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 3: singles out Tiffany for being too comfort which really could

1076
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 3: read as a microaggression.

1077
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 2: Quite frankly.

1078
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 3: Is he saying that it's like a black woman and

1079
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: calling her out for being too bold, too strong?

1080
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 6: Huh?

1081
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 3: And like she could have she could have played a

1082
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 3: card on him, she could have said, oh, you're saying

1083
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 3: that to me as because I'm black or something like that,

1084
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 3: or she didn't and she knows she doesn't, and she

1085
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 3: knows she can't. And the reason why she doesn't is

1086
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 3: because everyone will be like, oh, you're playing a card, right,

1087
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 3: So she doesn't have the privilege of being able to

1088
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 3: pull a card like that, whereas Colton does.

1089
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: And that's something that just like really bothered me.

1090
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: Honest, that's super interesting.

1091
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:28,959
Speaker 6: Wow.

1092
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean going in without any history, Like you know,

1093
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: I don't watch football, I don't watch any of the

1094
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: reality so I have no idea who he was. I

1095
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: just found it. I appreciated that at least he was

1096
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: playing the game because so many other people are just

1097
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: not doing anything. But it turns out, because I've never

1098
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: seen traders until this season, that's actually the best strategy

1099
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: is to not be too aggressive.

1100
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 2: I know he was. Actually. I mean, so I don't

1101
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: watch The Bachelor. I'm not.

1102
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 3: That's like, I'm not, I don't do the whole Bachelor

1103
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 3: of bascination thing. I really don't know anything about Colton.

1104
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 3: I had heard that he'd done some sketchy things with

1105
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: his past. I of course knew that he was a bachelor,

1106
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: but then he came out the closet, but I knew

1107
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 3: nothing about him, and in the first episode I was

1108
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 3: sort of like, wow, he's hot.

1109
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: That was like the extent of it.

1110
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 3: But then it's just that he became so smug and

1111
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 3: that like really bothered me that he was very smug

1112
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 3: and that he he I felt like he took a

1113
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 3: lot of credit for Donna Kelcey when I felt like

1114
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 3: everyone was suspicious to Donna Kelcey, and I thought that

1115
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 3: was I was like, that's strange that he really seems

1116
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 3: to be acting like, oh, because I say that Donna

1117
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 3: Kelsey everything, I know, everything is gonna be totally right.

1118
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 3: So he comes in herd on Tiffany with a theory

1119
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 3: that holds no water, and he's wrong, and his takeaway

1120
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 3: is not, ooh, I should rethink this. His takeaway is, well,

1121
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 3: I'm just going to go at it one hundred percent

1122
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 3: again because that's what I do person to charge after

1123
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is what's this is how we get

1124
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 3: into issues here. This is such a bad way to

1125
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 3: approach things, and so it's so unhelpful and and that

1126
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 3: he just does it again, and it's just like the

1127
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 3: fact that he's just like, yeah, whatever, I have it.

1128
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 3: I have an idea and I'm just gonna go for it,

1129
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna go I'm just gonna go hard whatever

1130
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: destruction may come, because I've decided that I don't need

1131
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 3: to rethink what I do. I can just shoot shoot

1132
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 3: my gun off in any different direction and see what happens.

1133
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: And I just like it sort of like bothered me.

1134
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 3: And I know it's like it's looking way too deeply

1135
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 3: into the Traders and someone. But I think maybe at

1136
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 3: this time in American history, like moments like this like

1137
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 3: get me like really mad. You know.

1138
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: All right, well, let's do a little roll call of

1139
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: everyone from the Bravo versus in the season of Traders.

1140
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: Caroline from Dubai.

1141
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, real house to Dubai.

1142
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I didn't know there was a Housewives of Dubai.

1143
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 4: Well you didn't know there was a Housewives of New

1144
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 4: Jersey Rider.

1145
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1146
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 3: It was like a two season experiment and then it's

1147
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 3: done already bye to goodbye.

1148
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:54,959
Speaker 1: Wow, that was quick.

1149
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 4: Okay, gotcha, I.

1150
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: Had a really good second season.

1151
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 1: Actually, Dorinda is a house wife from She's from New

1152
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: York City.

1153
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 2: Okay, ye like.

1154
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 5: To talk about her a little bit. Yeah, well, because

1155
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 5: she seems like I watched last season the Traders writer

1156
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:11,959
Speaker 5: hasn't seen this, and she was like the first person

1157
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 5: kicked off and she was very sad about it, and

1158
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 5: everybody was very upset, and it was like, oh, poor Dirinda.

1159
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: And then she came on this year and you're kind

1160
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: of rooting for and then Ron, who seems like.

1161
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 5: The nicest guy in the world, gets voted off the

1162
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 5: show and he comes out and he says that she

1163
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 5: was not a particularly nice person to him. Yeah, so

1164
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 5: I'm curious, is that in keeping with Derinda? Is that

1165
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 5: something we we should we would know if we watched

1166
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 5: Housewives or does this seem like out of character for her?

1167
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 3: It's Direnda is a complicated person. The she she can

1168
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 3: see rad or really quickly, not something that you're really

1169
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 3: seeing on this season. We're seeing a very very muted Derinda.

1170
00:52:55,239 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 6: She she she has like she's very interesting because she's

1171
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 6: like very warm and her vibe is like very maternal

1172
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 6: and she when she says like I'm a natur will server,

1173
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 6: like she does want to serve you and help you

1174
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 6: in everything, but like she's like you cannot mess with her.

1175
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 2: You cannot. She is she is gonna be like, I

1176
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 2: don't like that.

1177
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 3: And then she'll she will come at you hard, especially

1178
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 3: if she has some martinis in her And the thing

1179
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 3: is that I guess they don't. They don't drink in

1180
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 3: the castle, and if she were drinking, you would be

1181
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: really seeing the true Dirinda. So it's weird though with

1182
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 3: the Wron situation, because he said that she was like

1183
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 3: I think he sort of suggested that she wasn't even

1184
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 3: that she was maybe even problematic, which is because she

1185
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 3: actually seems like that's one area that she seems to

1186
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 3: be pretty good with. So some people view her as

1187
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 3: like a meana alcoholic. I'm not gonna lie that is like,

1188
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 3: people who don't like Derinda will be like, oh, she's

1189
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 3: a mean alcoholic, She's like, get her off my TV.

1190
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 3: But for those of us who love her, we see

1191
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 3: her as a complicated person who does not stand for

1192
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 3: any bullshit. And so I don't know. But the thing is, unfortunately,

1193
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 3: she sometimes will sense a she will sometimes feel aggressed

1194
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 3: when maybe there was no aggression there. So I don't

1195
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 3: know what happened, but it's hard. I like, I'm like,

1196
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 3: not mentally ready to.

1197
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 4: Gotcha.

1198
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: I'm not there, I'm not.

1199
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: Going to do it all right, Then we had Porsche

1200
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: from she was an Atlanta housewife, right.

1201
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 3: Porscha is such a great, hilarious, over this top personality

1202
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 3: and it was so sad to lose her first.

1203
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: That was a real that was a loss for this

1204
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 2: season big.

1205
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,959
Speaker 1: She did not play particularly well and it wasn't her fault.

1206
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 5: She just kept saying like when we killed that guy

1207
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 5: and stop.

1208
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 3: Yeah that was last year when Derinda was voted off first,

1209
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 3: like everyone, all the broad people were furious because it's

1210
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 3: like she didn't even get to go to a round table.

1211
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 3: We want to see Direnda. We wanted to see someone

1212
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 3: accuses to renda something and for her to come back

1213
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 3: by now you listen to me, right now, she's just like.

1214
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 2: We're all like waiting, like yeah, durand Don's gonna go yell.

1215
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: It's people.

1216
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 3: But this time when Porscha got put it off, we

1217
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 3: all love Porsche, but we're like, yeah, she kind of

1218
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 3: did that to herself.

1219
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 2: Like right, she messed up, she messed up.

1220
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: But in general, you're you're a fan of hers. If

1221
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: she had stuck around, it would have been Traders would

1222
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: have been.

1223
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 2: Better before she would she would have been great.

1224
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 6: Well.

1225
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 3: Also, she and Candace have sort of like a weird

1226
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 3: history together, so there could have been some interesting friction

1227
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 3: on that end, but.

1228
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah she was out.

1229
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 3: And by the way, another reasonhy I can't stand Coulton

1230
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 3: is because Ron basically became house Priah after he took

1231
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 3: out Porsche. But where Colton has also had misses left

1232
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 3: and right.

1233
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: And none of that.

1234
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 4: We we right, and I've talked about this.

1235
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,959
Speaker 5: Ron came with actual receipts, whether or not they turned

1236
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 5: out to be true or not.

1237
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: He had actual facts.

1238
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 4: He was wrong, they all have been and right, and

1239
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 4: he was still there. But Ron they had to get

1240
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 4: rid of and I was like.

1241
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 3: Come on, yeah, that was like I loved when Ron

1242
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 3: confronted them and was like, oh, okay, well you know

1243
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 3: I missed on Porsche. But I'm I'm like a trader

1244
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 3: because you guys like Porsche, but like those guys like yeah,

1245
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 3: called everyone likes Cold Like I love that he called

1246
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 3: that out and that was such a good point and

1247
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 3: for a moment I thought it was Ronny saved himself.

1248
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 4: I wish he did. He was he was great.

1249
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 3: You know, it's an interesting thing with the traders because

1250
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 3: there's usually like a block of housewives and a block

1251
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 3: of CBS game playing game players survive for Big Brother,

1252
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 3: maybe the MTV Challenge, and then there's like random other

1253
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 3: scattered people, and it's like, it's always a bummer to

1254
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,399
Speaker 3: me when the real housewives get voted off early, beat

1255
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 3: work or banished early, because I think game like this,

1256
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 3: I the the the game players are better at the strategy, right,

1257
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 3: but I think I'm in it more for the personality

1258
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 3: that the real housewives bring, you know, I think that's

1259
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 3: like more entertaining for me.

1260
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 2: So it's like, well, it's interesting.

1261
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: Because this is kind of the merging of your two worlds,

1262
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: right because the board game thing, like the secret Hitler

1263
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: side of this game is must also appeal to you

1264
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: a lot. But then but you you you wish the

1265
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: housewife side would win win out a little bit more.

1266
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we like the big personalities because like,

1267
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 3: right now we've got like Mark Ballace.

1268
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: He claims, now here's the thing.

1269
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 5: He claims that he's talking all the time and they're

1270
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 5: cutting around him.

1271
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm sorry. If you were talking, we

1272
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 3: would see him talking at some point at some point,

1273
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 3: you know.

1274
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: Or even if he is talking, it must be so

1275
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: boring that it's just gonna come just like, yeah, no

1276
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: one cares to see the personality. How do you think about.

1277
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 2: Playing the great he's doing.

1278
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 3: I don't like. I don't like how he turned on

1279
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 3: Renna and Candace. And I think that like I understood

1280
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 3: that he had to, you know, I understood why he

1281
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 3: had to do what he had to do, but he

1282
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 3: was he also went out of his way to do

1283
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 3: it as well, like he could have when it seemed like, okay,

1284
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 3: Renna's going down, like he could have been like, okay,

1285
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 3: Renna's I gotta vote Rinna, but like when she survived

1286
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 3: that first, but he went above and beyond to be like,

1287
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 3: oh anti Rinna.

1288
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: Well, because he knew she was gone.

1289
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 5: When's when somebody's already voted for you five times, you're

1290
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 5: not gonna save yourself.

1291
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 4: You're gone.

1292
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 5: So at that point, as a trader, he's got it.

1293
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 5: He's got to cut ties. And I figured Candace would

1294
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 5: understand that. But then Candace throws out his name, and I.

1295
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: Think it Candace should have just come to his side.

1296
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: At that point, she could see the writing on the wall.

1297
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 3: Yes, the thing is this though I don't know if

1298
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 3: Renna was she had she definitely was in the stench,

1299
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 3: but I don't think it was still necessarily that, like

1300
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 3: they had to turn on her. Like I think Rob

1301
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 3: could have, Like Rob could have entered something new into evidence.

1302
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 3: He could have been like, so and so is tripping

1303
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 3: me out, or he could have been more passive about it.

1304
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 3: But he actually was active in saying it being anti Rena,

1305
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 3: which is honestly like it's smart first game. I just

1306
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 3: didn't like it. I just felt like it. I didn't

1307
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 3: think it was necessary. When Candace Candace throwing that vote

1308
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 3: on Rob, I was like, Oh, this is gonna be

1309
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 3: the death of her because he's gonna cut and run,

1310
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 3: because that's what he did on Love Island. He does

1311
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 3: not like being the bad guy, by the way.

1312
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 2: And he never saw Love Islands. That's what happened on

1313
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 2: Love Island.

1314
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 3: And he did he win that, No, but he had

1315
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 3: the balls to He was like hot and heavy with

1316
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 3: this one girl, and then a new girl came in

1317
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 3: the villa, and then he decided he wanted to get

1318
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 3: to know that new girl. And then the original girl

1319
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 3: who he's with was like upset. And then Rob was like,

1320
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 3: you don't understand how hard it is for me to

1321
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 3: juggle to amazing women like you made himself the victim.

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01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: It's kind of awesome. He was already preparing for traders.

1323
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: That's great.

1324
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 3: When he cuts people the moment that, like, the moment

1325
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 3: they don't like him, he's gonna cut them. So when

1326
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 3: when Candace did that, because remember he was like, how

1327
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 3: dare she? How dare she write my name down? It's like, dude,

1328
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 3: you just went above and beyond for Rena, right, like

1329
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 3: you have to like you have to like allow Candace

1330
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 3: to blow off some steam.

1331
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a bad move on Candace's part, regardless.

1332
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 5: I'm curious, just a big overall question just because for

1333
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 5: my own edification, you're then expert at this stuff. What's

1334
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 5: your favorite reality show of all time?

1335
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 2: Of all time?

1336
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1337
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 3: I really like Original Real Househouves of New York That honestly,

1338
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 3: it's like an amazing comedy.

1339
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 2: It's really really wonderful.

1340
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 3: I you know, Survivor is an amazing like as a whole,

1341
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 3: if you're not to look at specific seasons, the Survivor

1342
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 3: is really a brilliantly made reality TV show it's pretty

1343
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 3: exceptional just in the production of it. And I think

1344
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 3: Traders is great. I think Trade Traders would be up there.

1345
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 3: They need to tweak some things, they need to make

1346
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 3: those challenges more relevant to anything that's going on. I

1347
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 3: feel like earlier this season it was it was in

1348
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 3: a good place because you know the shields that that

1349
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 3: impacts things. But you know when they're just like earning

1350
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 3: money for like the communal pot, like we don't care,

1351
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 3: we don't care about that, and.

1352
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 4: It's weird amounts of money too.

1353
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: It's like you've earned thirteen three hundred dollars.

1354
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 3: And it doesn't reveal any truths about who may or

1355
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 3: may not be a trader, like if someone underperforms, it

1356
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 3: doesn't like add any evidence that could be used at

1357
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 3: the roundtable. And I kind of feel like everything in

1358
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 3: the show should contribute to that. So there should be

1359
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 3: some way to undermine the shields more.

1360
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: Oh that's smart too, Like you win one piece of

1361
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: evidence against somebody. Oh that's kind of a cool.

1362
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 2: I so and so was being slow.

1363
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 3: I think they didn't want us to get the shields,

1364
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 3: but instead, like everything that's happens in the challenge really

1365
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 3: doesn't get to be used in the roundtable, and I

1366
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 3: think that's that's rough. And to go back to you know,

1367
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 3: we're talking about the strategy and everything. A lot of

1368
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 3: my board game friends there's a big contingion of them

1369
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 3: that don't like The Traders because they find the strategy

1370
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 3: is so bad. They're like, oh, I can't watch that show.

1371
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 3: No one's using proper strategy, and it doesn't matter because

1372
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 3: even if you use proper strategy, they recruit a new

1373
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 3: trader you can't truly figure out. And so like the gamer,

1374
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 3: the gaming purest really struggle with The Traders. But I

1375
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 3: think I think it's a it's a it's great canvas too,

1376
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 3: or arena for really big personalities to try to like

1377
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 3: problem solve and figure out things and get reads on people.

1378
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 3: And that's like very fascinating to me. And so The

1379
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 3: Traders is definitely one of the best, and it's produced

1380
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 3: beautifully and wonderfully.

1381
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: Wow, that's actually really good to hear because I've been

1382
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: feeling that way. I've been kind of like, is there

1383
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: is there something wrong with me? Or does it seem

1384
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: like the strategy is like really hard, like it just

1385
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: doesn't I agree. I think it's it comes down to

1386
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: the missions. Those they just are kind of random exercises

1387
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: to get them out of the castle, and they don't

1388
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: have much barying on the game. It seems like it

1389
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: other than putting people in separate cars so they can gossip,

1390
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: you know, like it doesn't that yeah, But you know, I.

1391
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 3: Think that like reality TV producers, there's like some prevailing

1392
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 3: meta in the world of reality TV producing that, oh,

1393
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 3: we have to have a challenge midway through the episode

1394
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 3: or else the audience is going to get bored. And

1395
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 3: it's like the audience is most bored during the challenges.

1396
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 3: Every now and then there's like an interesting one that's funny.

1397
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 3: But I I feel like the whole shot show draws.

1398
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 2: To a halt.

1399
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,439
Speaker 3: It comes to a halt as we watch them climb

1400
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,439
Speaker 3: up a hill, And I would rather have twenty extra

1401
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 3: minutes of round table than I would just sitting them

1402
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 3: watching them lug things around. Like no one wants that.

1403
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 3: But I think that, like every reality TV producer or

1404
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 3: executive is like, oh no, the people need to see

1405
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 3: something exciting. They need to see they need to see

1406
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 3: some sort of event. It's like, we don't know, we

1407
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 3: don't we don't need that all have to have some

1408
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 3: put some faith in us that we're sophisticated viewers that

1409
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 3: are that are perfectly happy to watch humans interact and

1410
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 3: figure things out.

1411
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 5: Well, they don't do that any of the Ravo shows, Right,

1412
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 5: It's just it's people talking. It's it's and people they're not, hey,

1413
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 5: now we're going to run out and try to catch

1414
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 5: a squirrel.

1415
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 4: Like, it's none of that kind.

1416
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 3: Of right, Yeah, and we all agree, like the most

1417
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 3: compelling part of The Traders is the roundtable, when people

1418
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 3: are making accusations, defending, throwing things out, and that's all

1419
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 3: personality based. And the gamers are good because they can

1420
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 3: be strategic in those moments. But by and large, I

1421
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 3: think I think this is the reason why I like

1422
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 3: the housewives on the show more than the gamers, given

1423
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 3: that I do watch Survivor and Big Brother, is that

1424
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 3: at the roundtable, it's where personalities clash and it's like

1425
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,919
Speaker 3: the ability to convince people with your words, and that's

1426
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 3: like a really big aspect of being especially a real housewife.

1427
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 3: You know, they have reunions and they they air everything out,

1428
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 3: and so we I want more of that and that's

1429
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 3: why sometimes like you'll get someone who's good on Survivor,

1430
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 3: but they're just dull at the roundtable.

1431
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: Right, all right, Well, thank you so much for joining

1432
01:04:55,520 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: us today. This has been Can you come back any

1433
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: other questions anytime?

1434
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 2: I love this. I love Are you guys? Are you

1435
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 2: guys East coast or West coast?

1436
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: West or West coast?

1437
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's let's do this. Let's let's hang out,

1438
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 2: let's do it all.

1439
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 4: Are you are you East coast or West Coast?

1440
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: No, I'm West Coast.

1441
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: Oh okay, good.

1442
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 3: Great.

1443
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 5: Because we also were trying to figure out we're trying

1444
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 5: to navigate the world of reality. Neither Rider and I

1445
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 5: really know it at all, and so we started with

1446
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 5: Dancing with the Stars because our best friend was on

1447
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 5: it and that, and now we're kind of delving into

1448
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 5: this world of which we're lost.

1449
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of reality TV. I get

1450
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 3: on a little bit of a high horse with reality

1451
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 3: TV because I, as a podcaster of reality TV, is

1452
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 3: often face snobbery.

1453
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 2: Snobbery.

1454
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 3: It could come in the form of like certain certain

1455
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 3: accolades or whatever. But like a lot of times, you'll

1456
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 3: be shocked at how many times people say, oh, what

1457
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 3: do you do?

1458
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: And I say oh, I have a podcast what's it about?

1459
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: Real Housewives Bravo?

1460
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 3: And there'll be a good chunk of people they'll be like,

1461
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 3: oh my god, that's amazing. But you would be shocked

1462
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 3: at the number of people that say, oh, I don't

1463
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 3: know how you could watch that stuff. Could you imagine

1464
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 3: saying that to anyone? Like, look, I don't make these shows,

1465
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 3: and I make fun of them, but I'm also a fan,

1466
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 3: and like, there's a huge amount of snobbery. And I

1467
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 3: have I have a I have a friend who who

1468
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 3: is who wrote a Marvel movie. And I didn't realize

1469
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 3: this when I first met him, and I started going

1470
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 3: off on Marvel movies because I think Marvel movies are

1471
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 3: just like to me, they're just.

1472
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: Like direk, I'm with you.

1473
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 3: To me, look look look at me doing what I

1474
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 3: just got mad about. But like to me, they just

1475
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 3: don't speak to me. And I just feel like it's

1476
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 3: the same thing over and over again. And so I

1477
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:39,919
Speaker 3: did this whole thing. I went like, oh my god,

1478
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 3: Marvel movies, well may of exist. I did the whole thing.

1479
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 3: And then then someone's like, well you know that Tom

1480
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 3: wrote a Marvel movie.

1481
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 2: It was.

1482
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 3: No, no, it wasn't, but like I had such shame

1483
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 3: and I had such embarrassment and it was kind of like, wow, Ben,

1484
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 3: can't believe you just said that about Marvel when you

1485
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 3: know that Tom wrote that. And yet no one feels

1486
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 3: any sort of way about like like oh, I'm gonna

1487
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 3: just like shit on the Real Housewives, Like I didn't

1488
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 3: watch that garbage just women talking, women fighting, right, and

1489
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, I love it, Like well, I don't

1490
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 3: know how you could like it.

1491
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 2: Like no one has any no one has that moment.

1492
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 3: Like oops, sorry, because it's just assumed that this stuff

1493
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 3: is bottom of the barrel of garbage.

1494
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 4: I'd like to apologize because I'm guilty of that.

1495
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 5: I do that myself, and it's because again in my head,

1496
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 5: it's killing the TV that I love and instead of going, well,

1497
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 5: this is what the audience wants, and that's what TV

1498
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 5: is supposed to be, is entertaining the audience.

1499
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 4: And if this is what the audience wants, who.

1500
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 5: Am I to be like, well, this version's good and

1501
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 5: that version's bad. But it's just that I've grown up

1502
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 5: with one thing, and I think one thing is more artistic.

1503
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: Than the other thing. So I will instantly on the

1504
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: other thing, and that's really not fair. I also think

1505
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: there's a big cultural hangover from there for me, like

1506
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: and this is what I you know, will and I've

1507
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit, is like has changed

1508
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: so much, and I feel like in the like early

1509
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: aughts period, there was a really toxic reality culture.

1510
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, there still is.

1511
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: I think there still is a segment, but in general,

1512
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: the idea of reality is I feel like it's it's

1513
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: earned a place in our culture that it can be positive,

1514
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: you know, like somebody like Survivor. I mean I remember

1515
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 1: reading the articles when Survivor first came out. People were saying, like,

1516
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: this is the end of you know, all time because

1517
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 1: look at they were sending people to an island, and like,

1518
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: so I didn't watch it, you know, I sort of

1519
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: rolled my eyes that Survivor existed until like twenty twelve

1520
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: I started watching it. And now I'm like, this show

1521
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: is brilliant. It is so incredibly constructed. He is an

1522
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: incredible host, and like it's in an amazing social experiment

1523
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: that it tells us a lot about you know. Now

1524
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: I kind of make my son watch it. He loves it.

1525
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 1: But you know, at eleven years old. I'm like, this

1526
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: is really good for you to see, like how people

1527
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: treat each other and how they whether they have respect,

1528
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 1: and you know, you understand that it's a game, but like,

1529
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: you know, this is this It does teach you something

1530
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: to human behavior that I find really educational.

1531
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 3: But also like Survivor has great storytelling and I think

1532
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 3: that's kind of what the audience wants, whether it's going

1533
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 3: to be scripted or reality. And I think what's hardly

1534
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 3: reality TV is that the snobbery that gets sort of

1535
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 3: launched out reality TV is that people just sort of

1536
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 3: think reality TV is nothing more than the worst that gets.

1537
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 2: Thrown out there.

1538
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 3: There's like terrible reality TV, like terrible, terrible, terrible reality TV.

1539
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:32,520
Speaker 3: And people will people when you look at comedy or dramas,

1540
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 3: people will acknowledge that there's amazing preciege dramas and there's

1541
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:38,879
Speaker 3: crappy dramas.

1542
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 2: Sure they will acknowledge that there's.

1543
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 3: Like a major comedies and then some garbage comedies out there.

1544
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,640
Speaker 3: But when people look at reality TV, they're just like

1545
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 3: it's all just bad and it's like no, It's like

1546
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 3: this has been a genre that's been around for twenty

1547
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 3: six years now. And it is evolved and there are

1548
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 3: there are you know you there's sophisticated product that's being made.

1549
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 3: And actually like the people who are like to make

1550
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 3: the Real Housewives, to make the traders, to find the

1551
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 3: moments to choose, like what is the story that we're

1552
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 3: going to tell? Does require craft and it does ultimately

1553
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 3: come down to storytelling. And so like it's a bomber.

1554
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 3: You guys come from a unique position as actors. So

1555
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 3: for you guys have something invested in a way that

1556
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 3: that I really don't have, you know, and I'm just

1557
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:27,719
Speaker 3: elite who profits. That's the best thing ever what's worked

1558
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 3: with you guys. But like, but like I think ultimately

1559
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 3: audiences just want good storytelling no matter what. And I

1560
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 3: think you know what sort of TV do are are

1561
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 3: you lamenting the loss of? Specifically? By the way, like

1562
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 3: what do you feel like.

1563
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 5: The American Family sitcom is the thing that I'm the

1564
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 5: most the most sad is gone.

1565
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 3: I think that the sitcoms, I have a whole I

1566
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 3: have a whole other theory about sitcoms, like the one

1567
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 3: that is also maybe not super well researched. But I

1568
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 3: was just thinking about it today, which is that I

1569
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 3: think the sitcoms of our youth in this seventies and

1570
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 3: eighties and going into the nineties, I feel like a

1571
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 3: lot of the writers on those sitcoms came from like

1572
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 3: tradition of the stage, and then as we came into

1573
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 3: the nineties and two thousands and beyond, the sitcom writers

1574
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,560
Speaker 3: came from the tradition of just like seeing other sitcoms,

1575
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 3: and I think we I think we're you see like

1576
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 3: a difference in how these sitcoms are made, and like

1577
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 3: the jokes that they go for, Like how is it

1578
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 3: that the Golden Girls those jokes still land forty years later?

1579
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 2: Still land? I watched The Golden Girls all the time

1580
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 2: to this day.

1581
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 4: I watch mash every day every day.

1582
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 3: So yeah's and people and lots of people do. And

1583
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 3: it's like it feels like somewhere in the machine of

1584
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 3: Hollywood in terms of the talent that ex the talent

1585
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 3: that got into the executive side and the development side

1586
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 3: and what they're looking for and on the writer's side,

1587
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 3: it all kind of got away from what was working

1588
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 3: so well at one point, and so you know, they

1589
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:03,679
Speaker 3: just trot start turning out garbage, and so of course

1590
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 3: audiences aren't going to be supporting these shows because like, why, Like,

1591
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 3: you have a show like The Real Housewives of New

1592
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 3: York and It's Prime that had such funny scenes and

1593
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 3: such funny moments, hilarious hilarious moments. Real Houses of Salt

1594
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 3: Lake City right now have clashes between people and comments

1595
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 3: and throwaway lines that are laugh out loud funny. And

1596
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 3: then you have just the canned laughter of a sitcom

1597
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 3: that's on, you know, right, you know NBC. It's like why,

1598
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 3: like it doesn't compete anymore.

1599
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 5: Well, here's the question that I have though, that I

1600
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 5: would ask, is when you're watching the Real Housewives these

1601
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 5: hilarious moments, are you laughing with these people or at them?

1602
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 5: Because in sitcom you were laughing with the characters. Not always,

1603
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 5: I mean you think mostly you think about all in

1604
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 5: the family though. I mean that was one of the thing,

1605
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 5: like sort of issues or like, is that a lot

1606
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 5: of people didn't think of Archie Bunker as a a

1607
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 5: character you were laughing at.

1608
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: They thought of him as a character you were laughing with,

1609
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: which divided the audience in a big way, you know, right,

1610
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: But that was the point, and that's how he was written.

1611
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 5: That's exactly that was the point of how he was written,

1612
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 5: and so there was to me, there's a difference of

1613
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 5: crafting a character that has that depth to where you're

1614
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 5: talking about, are we laughing with, laughing against? Is this

1615
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 5: a mirror of society or is it just these are

1616
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 5: women that you're throwing up there that you're laughing at

1617
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 5: because it's like, look, how ridiculous that person is.

1618
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 3: All of the above you are laughing at, you're also

1619
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 3: laughing with. And I'll give you a great example, something

1620
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 3: that like got a belly laugh out at me in

1621
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 3: the worst way, like it's going to hell for this.

1622
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 3: This happened last week, this happened two or two weeks ago.

1623
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 3: Real Houses a Beverly Hills. Let me try to set

1624
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 3: the scene. A lot of this is cringe comedy. Yeah,

1625
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 3: this is coming from the Larry of David World of conty. Right,

1626
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 3: So we're on the Real Houses of Beverly Hills. We're

1627
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 3: at a dinner party. We have Amanda Francis, who's a

1628
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 3: new cast member. We have Darik Kemsley who's in there

1629
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 3: for a while. Deurita is like a Dodo. We also

1630
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 3: have Kathy Hilton. You guys know wh Kathy Hilton is

1631
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 3: famous Paris Hilton, mother of Paris Hilton, extremely wealthy, like

1632
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 3: just out there person dinner party with many people, but

1633
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 3: those three are there, and Darite is mad at Amanda.

1634
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 3: But Amanda is also saying throughout the episode, she's saying

1635
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,719
Speaker 3: that she's struggling, like she does. She really doesn't. Amanda,

1636
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 3: by the way, her whole thing is just just kind

1637
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 3: of like full of bullshit at all times. But she

1638
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 3: has something very serious going on in her life, which

1639
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 3: is that it's the like three year anniversary of the

1640
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 3: like the death of one of her twin children, Like

1641
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 3: she gave birth to twins and one of them did

1642
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 3: not survive the god and so that's something that she's

1643
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 3: carrying with her. So Durit tries to confront Amanda about something,

1644
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 3: and Amanda is like, you know, it's really hard for

1645
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 3: me to talk about this, right, I'm barely holding on

1646
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 3: because it's a three year death of Zion. And Kathy

1647
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 3: Hilton perks up and goes, oh, is that your dog

1648
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 3: and then just goes right to commercial and they're like,

1649
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 3: oh my god, it's so dark, but like they're like

1650
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 3: out on that. It was just like I'm like, I don't.

1651
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 3: It's a terrible thing. What happened to Amanda?

1652
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 5: Right?

1653
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 3: The fact that the comedy is that Kathy Hilton is

1654
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 3: barely paying attention to the stupid fight and wakes up

1655
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 3: and goes, oh is that your dog?

1656
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 2: It's my child?

1657
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 1: Oh oh my god.

1658
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 2: It was so cringey, but it was like you can't

1659
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 2: help but like go WHOA right?

1660
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 1: Amazing?

1661
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 5: All right, one last thing, just you they come Traders

1662
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 5: comes to you and says, we're giving you one of

1663
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 5: the slots on Traders to put whoever you want on

1664
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 5: the show.

1665
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 4: Who do you give that slot to?

1666
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 3: I am going to say, well, honestly, Ninny Leaks would okay,

1667
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 3: pretty amazing. One from from Atlanta, she would be I

1668
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 3: think should be excellent. Because but I'm again, I'm casting

1669
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 3: because I'm interested to see how her personality affairs in

1670
01:15:58,960 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 3: the castle.

1671
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 2: Sure, like how she I guess I'm always.

1672
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 3: Interested to see how people react at the roundtable, like

1673
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:08,719
Speaker 3: when when they accused or when they are accused. That's

1674
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 3: the thing, Yeah, because I guess I'm never I'm never

1675
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 3: casting someone for like how crafty they'll be or how good,

1676
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 3: how strategic they'll be, because the game is stacked against

1677
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,679
Speaker 3: everyone at all times, backed against the trader, sacked against

1678
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 3: the the faithful. So I'm just like, I just want

1679
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 3: to see interesting personalities clash.

1680
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 1: Yep, watch fireworks. Awesome. All right, Well we'll go back

1681
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: to bring you back on maybe when the season's over.

1682
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 1: What we'll do a round up and how it all,

1683
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 1: how the dust settled ultimately. But thank you so much, Ben,

1684
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: it's great talking to you.

1685
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it so much.

1686
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 4: This has been great.

1687
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 5: Yeah all right, oh man, okay, oh just sorry, before

1688
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 5: you go, if Ryder and I have to watch one

1689
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:52,799
Speaker 5: of the Housewives, where do we start?

1690
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 4: What season do we start with? And what series do

1691
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 4: we go to?

1692
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 3: Okay, well I'm going to say that right now, you

1693
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 3: should go to Real Housewives of Salt Lakes, the that's

1694
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 3: currently airing. For many years, I would have said Real

1695
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 3: House was in New York, but it's New York's in

1696
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 3: a weird place right now. So just so Real House

1697
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 3: is a Salt Lake city. They've done six seasons. Start

1698
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 3: with season one if you have to, if you must,

1699
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 3: if you must start later, I guess season two. So

1700
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 3: much has happened on Real House with Salt Lake City,

1701
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 3: someone got arrested for massive fraud scheme. There's a woman

1702
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 3: on there who's married to her grandfather.

1703
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: Wait what like her biological grandfather.

1704
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 3: She has a church and her grandmother was married to

1705
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 3: it's not her biological grandmother.

1706
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 2: Following, but.

1707
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 3: I'm telling you it's amazing, great, there's great I think

1708
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 3: pieces about it by Naomi Frye and The New Yorker

1709
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 3: if you want to like Also, if it's still the

1710
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 3: idea of watching these shows still feels kind of like

1711
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 3: an insult to your intelligence, I really recommend reading some

1712
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 3: of the coverage in the New Yorker because the New

1713
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,640
Speaker 3: York Times is very snobby about this stuff. New York

1714
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 3: Times comes out with their best, you know, best TV

1715
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 3: shows of twenty twenty five, twenty twenty four, anything, and

1716
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 3: they're loath to include these shows. Not a single real

1717
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 3: housewife gets on there when everyone's watching it, like everyone

1718
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 3: is watching it when we do our live show.

1719
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 2: So for watching Crappens, we we.

1720
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 3: Tour and we go around and we get people of

1721
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 3: all sorts of fascinating backgrounds coming to our shows. Professors,

1722
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 3: we had a like someone came up to us to

1723
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 3: shoos a judge it's like really fascinating interesting people. Of course,

1724
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 3: you don't have to be a professor or judge to

1725
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 3: be interesting and fascinating. But the point is that like professions,

1726
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,719
Speaker 3: people with backgrounds, So you don't normally associate with watching

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Speaker 3: reality TV. Of course, whatever snobbery or whatever idea you

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Speaker 3: have in your mind of what reality TV is. And

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Speaker 3: so people are watching these shows, and so the New

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Speaker 3: York Times won't write about it, but the New Yorker does.

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Speaker 3: The New Yorker actually is like really good about saying,

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Speaker 3: oh wow, like this is worth watching and here's some

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Speaker 3: lessons I took from it. Cool nai fr She's great.

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Speaker 1: Check it out Salt Lake City and Naomi Fry great.

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Speaker 2: So help you find a way and mentally cool.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thanks Ben.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. And it's great chatting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we could do fifteen episodes with him.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, we just did ninety minutes. We could have

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Speaker 1: kept talking too.

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Speaker 5: He's right though, because I'm such a snob when it

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Speaker 5: comes to that stuff, because I feel like.

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Speaker 1: Me too, just killing us. I do you know for me,

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Speaker 1: like like exactly what I said to him. It's it

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Speaker 1: goes back to that sort of really terrible era. I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, when when it was there was a clearer

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Speaker 1: line of it's just more cruelty. I feel like it

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Speaker 1: was much more exploitative. Now. I feel like, if you're

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Speaker 1: on a reality show, you know why you're there, you

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Speaker 1: know what you signed up for. I feel like you

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Speaker 1: didn't used to be that way. It used to feel

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Speaker 1: a little mean, like these people were being hijacked. And

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody is participating in one of these

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Speaker 1: housewives shows without knowing exactly what.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 5: I think I think it's like it, yeah, this I

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Speaker 5: was going to say, this is a strange correlation, but

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Speaker 5: I think it's like the conventions. Back in the day,

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Speaker 5: doing conventions, it was like, oh my god, you're doing

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Speaker 5: a comic book convention.

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Speaker 4: That's ridiculous. Now actors are killing.

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Speaker 1: To get into these conventions left and right, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's kind of the same thing.

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Speaker 4: I always thought.

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Speaker 5: It was just to me, he's right where the sitcom

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01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 5: went to kind of the lowest common denominator, which then

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Speaker 5: to me, the logical next step was reality, right, And

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Speaker 5: I don't think that's necessarily the case. That's how I

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Speaker 5: see it, But I don't think that's necessarily right, and

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Speaker 5: I think that's he's right. I think there's a snobbishness

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Speaker 5: to it, but he's like any other thing else. With entertainment,

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Speaker 5: you're trying to entertain the audience, and there's probably very

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Speaker 5: good versions and very bad versions and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Well, that's it for this episode of Pod

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Speaker 1: Meets Twirled. Join us next time when we actually continue

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Speaker 1: our journey through season four of Traders, a show in which,

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Speaker 1: as Shakespeare said in his Scottish play, fair is foul

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Speaker 1: and foul is fair.

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Speaker 3: Mhm