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Speaker 1: Wake that hands up in the morning. The breakfast Club. Morning.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is j n V.

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Speaker 2: Charlamagne the guide. We are to breakfast Club. We got

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Speaker 2: a special guest in the.

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Speaker 3: Building, Republican presidential candidate South Carolina Nikki Hamley.

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Speaker 4: That's right, welcome, Good morning, the morning. Thank you for

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Speaker 4: having me.

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Speaker 1: How are you all?

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Speaker 4: Is good? I can't complain. Listen, South Carolina's still proud

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Speaker 4: of you. Keep doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I appreciate that. I read recently

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Speaker 1: that you got swatted twice twice since since the end

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Speaker 1: of December. They were targeting high profile politicians.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know the hard part about that is

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Speaker 4: I wasn't home, but we take care of my parents.

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Speaker 4: They're eighty seven and ninety. And when you have twenty

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Speaker 4: five people show up with guns drawn, Jesus to them, like,

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Speaker 4: what's happened in our country? Come on, I mean, we

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Speaker 4: can't keep living like this. It's not normal, it's not healthy.

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Speaker 4: There's nothing good about what's happening right now in the country.

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Speaker 4: And look, we have a chance to change that. That's

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Speaker 4: what I'm trying to do.

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Speaker 2: They'd kick down the door or anything like that, or

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Speaker 2: did they?

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Speaker 4: They actually they saw my peers through the window. They

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Speaker 4: told them to put their hands up. They came through

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Speaker 4: the door, and I mean immediately, like my parents had

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Speaker 4: their hands up and they came in and separated them,

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Speaker 4: talked to them. I mean, it was just it was

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Speaker 4: a traumatic shita twice. The second time they didn't come

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Speaker 4: in because it had happened once before, so they were

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Speaker 4: more cautious. The first time it was full on.

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Speaker 1: They didn't know it was your house, South Carolina.

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Speaker 4: They didn't know.

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Speaker 1: Wow, how did they make you feel?

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Speaker 4: Look, the reason I'm doing this. I don't want my

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Speaker 4: kids to live like this were I know, we're better

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Speaker 4: than this. I grew up in a small rural town

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Speaker 4: and we took care of each other. It was neighbors

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Speaker 4: taking care of neighbors, and there was just something simple

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Speaker 4: about it, and there was just something that was that

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Speaker 4: was good. You genuinely wanted to take care of people,

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Speaker 4: and we've lost that. I mean, right now, you see hatred,

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Speaker 4: you see division, you see anger. I mean, you see

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Speaker 4: these things where they're trying to like undercut people, and

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Speaker 4: it's just you know, it was exacerbated after COVID, but

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Speaker 4: it's all the more reason why we need to go

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Speaker 4: back and say, wait a minute, stop taking all this

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Speaker 4: so personally. This isn't personal. This is just about getting

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Speaker 4: our country back on track.

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Speaker 1: Swatting is personal. Though.

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Speaker 3: If I call somebody's house, if I say, hey, this

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Speaker 3: is going down at this house, that was personal.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's personal from a political perspective. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean that's where it's a blood sport to run

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Speaker 4: for office these days. But yeah, I mean that's it is.

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Speaker 4: But it goes to show why and it's why I'm

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Speaker 4: so determined to finish this. Yeah, is because I know

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Speaker 4: America is better than this.

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Speaker 1: But do you lose the love for it?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: You just told us some of the reasons why you

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Speaker 2: want to do this right, and then you talk about

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Speaker 2: some of the the sides that are against that.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: You want to do it because you said you want

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Speaker 2: to help people. You want to be the person that

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Speaker 2: you know what you grew up on and what you

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Speaker 2: wanted to see. But then you talk about them swatting

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Speaker 2: your house, which is making your life miserable, in your parents' life,

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Speaker 2: and your parents could have had a heart attack, you know.

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Speaker 2: Then you talk about Donald Trump attacking the way that

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Speaker 2: he's attacking you. I mean, they dive into your personal life,

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Speaker 2: they dive into an alleged to fed they dive into

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Speaker 2: into your life. And it's when does it get to

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Speaker 2: the point you be like, excuse part of my friends,

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Speaker 2: but fuck this, I don't want to do this anything.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's all lies. But what they don't realize

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Speaker 4: is politics is the art of distraction. The more they

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Speaker 4: do that, the more motivated I get, because it's everything

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Speaker 4: that's wrong with politics. It's everything that's wrong in this

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Speaker 4: country that we have to clean up. So I do this.

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Speaker 4: I'll take the pain, I'll take whatever it is. I'm

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Speaker 4: a tough girl. I can handle it. This is politics

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Speaker 4: is not personal for me. This is about the fact

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Speaker 4: We can't be okay with two eighty year olds running

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Speaker 4: the seventy five percent of Americans are saying they don't

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Speaker 4: want a Trump Biden rematch. The majority of Americans disprove

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Speaker 4: of Trump and disprove of Biden. You know, both these

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Speaker 4: fellas put us trillions of dollars in debt that our

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Speaker 4: kids are never going to forgive them for. At what

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Speaker 4: point do we not say, you know what, maybe we

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Speaker 4: need to go with a new generational leader that these

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Speaker 4: older guys don't want to let go of the power.

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Speaker 4: That's what this has always been. But the problem is,

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Speaker 4: look at what happened after the New Hampshire election. So

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Speaker 4: we got forty three percent. We started with fourteen candidates

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Speaker 4: we get forty three percent. Now, the way to look

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Speaker 4: three percent. He's so upset he throws a temper tantrum

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Speaker 4: he says, anybody that supports Nicki Haley is not going

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Speaker 4: to be part of MAGA. If you're running for president,

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Speaker 4: this is a story of addition. You should want everybody,

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Speaker 4: you shouldn't push anybody away. And so, you know, we

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Speaker 4: had fun. We've always had fun with it. So we

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Speaker 4: Then the next day he goes and pushes the Republican

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Speaker 4: Party to say that he's the nominee to get me out.

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Speaker 4: We don't do coronations in this country. Two states have voted.

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Speaker 4: You need twelve hundred and fifteen delegates. He has thirty two.

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Speaker 4: I have seventeen. This is far from over. We're not

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Speaker 4: giving up. And this is everything that's wrong, the chaos

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Speaker 4: of all of this is everything that's wrong in our country.

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Speaker 4: And you look, we lost five amazing souls, three soldiers

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Speaker 1: What do you think of responsor that today should be?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think, first of all, look at how we

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Speaker 4: have fallen all over himself to get back into Irandi

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Speaker 4: to Iran's proxies Hamas who theis and HESBLA, and what

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Speaker 4: do they do? They don't take care of their people.

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Speaker 4: They go and they say death to America. Then you

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Speaker 4: don't My husband's deployed right now. We expect America to

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Speaker 4: He didn't do something after the first strike. He didn't

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Speaker 4: you're waiting for people to die to do something. That's

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Speaker 4: not what you do. What we should do is put

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Speaker 4: the sanctions back on immediately. The second thing is go

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Speaker 4: take out the operations where they're sending these drones and

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Speaker 4: two of those RGC members. That's what we'll get their attention.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to go bomber on. This is not

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Speaker 4: about hitting hard, it's about hitting smart. That's what we

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Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned that in numbers in New Hampshire

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Speaker 3: Iowa, and it's clear to me that when you look

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Speaker 3: at those numbers, Republicans are looking for something different. A

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Speaker 3: lot of Republicans are looking for something different. So why

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Speaker 1: Party over to you?

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Speaker 4: Know, I think that people I voted for Trump twice,

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Speaker 4: I was proud to serve America in his administration. I

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Speaker 4: think people see that he never got to announce a

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Speaker 4: him thank you by being with him. But if you

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Speaker 4: look at that the speech after New Hampshire, or even

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Speaker 4: the court cases and all that, he never talks about

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Speaker 4: the American people. He never talks about what we're going

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Speaker 4: talks about how we're going to get our kids reading

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Speaker 4: never talks about securing the border unless he's saying stop

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Speaker 4: it because I don't want it to happen until the election.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he never talks about law and order in

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Speaker 2: Why did you vote for him twice? If you feel

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Speaker 4: The reason I voted for him the first time was

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Speaker 4: it was clear that our country needed a self correction.

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Speaker 4: Trump was good at breaking things. We needed to break

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Speaker 4: some things. We needed to rattle the cages. And then,

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Speaker 4: I didn't want Biden. I saw that Biden was Obama

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Speaker 4: thinking that he was going to do more of the same.

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Speaker 4: But the reality is now chaos follows Donald Trump. Everywhere

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Speaker 4: he goes, chaos follows him. And we can't be a

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Speaker 4: There will be a first female president. It's either going

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Speaker 4: to be Kamala Harris, or it's going to be me,

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Speaker 4: and it should send a chill up. Everyone's fine thinking

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you vote for Hillary in twenty.

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Speaker 4: Sixty because I don't agree with anything that Hillary has said.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that there's any policies of hers that

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Speaker 4: I agree with, and so for me, Look, the reason

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Speaker 4: I'm running now is because I'm an accountant. I think

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Speaker 4: it's finally time we have an account in the White House.

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Speaker 4: I've been a two term governor that took a double

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Speaker 4: I dealt with Russia, China and Iran every day at

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Speaker 4: the UN. I know what it takes to prevent more,

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Speaker 4: and I think it's time that we have somebody that's

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Speaker 4: a new generational leader that's not looking at the past

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Speaker 4: but actually looking at solutions going forward.

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Speaker 2: Now, you talk about your policies and some of the

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Speaker 2: policies and the things that you stand on. You also

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Speaker 2: said that you felt like Biden would have been I

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Speaker 2: guess Obama two point zero. What didn't you like about

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Speaker 4: So a couple of things. I think with Obama that

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Speaker 4: That's when I started to see it. Kamala, it's from

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Speaker 3: Question about the executive orders, if there's like immediate needs

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Speaker 4: So I think you do executive orders were meant to

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about our beautiful state of South Carolina.

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Speaker 3: That's what the next Republican primary is now based on

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Speaker 4: But why are people saying that. What's the proof in that?

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Speaker 4: So I moved twenty five points in New Hampshire in

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Speaker 4: People like what I did as governor. My job now

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Speaker 3: It seems like they like you in South Carolina, but

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Speaker 4: So the political class was never there. I mean, you

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Speaker 4: It's the people I want. I didn't have the political

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Speaker 2: Face with Tim Scott because you did appoint him. Did

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Speaker 4: You know, people have to deal with their decisions. He's

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Speaker 3: How did you feel when you saw him say I

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Speaker 4: He's going to have to sleep with that one, not.

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Speaker 1: Sleep with him. But like we know, did he ever

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Speaker 4: In twenty twelve, he didn't even call or text me

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Speaker 4: to tell me that he was going to endorse Donald Trump. Wow,

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Speaker 4: I have always thought he was a friend. I appointed

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Speaker 4: bring out the best in people. That's what a leader does,

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Speaker 4: You bring out the best in people. I still think

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Speaker 1: I don't how much of it do you take personals

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Speaker 4: You can't take it personally. I mean the reason I'm politics.

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Speaker 4: You look at anybody in their twenties. They think both

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Speaker 1: You know you're challenging Trump now.

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Speaker 4: I've never kissed up to Trump. I've always told him

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Speaker 4: have to lose before you say, you know what, maybe

438
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Speaker 4: that's not the guy.

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Speaker 3: So question, if you know, let's say Trump does win, right,

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Speaker 3: and then when's the whole election?

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Speaker 1: Would you be in this cabinet? Because the thing I

442
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Speaker 1: hear Republicans do.

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Speaker 3: Y'all will say all these things about him, but then

444
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Speaker 3: when he asks you to be in an administration, you'll

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Speaker 3: be a part of it.

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Speaker 4: I have said to everyone, I am running for president.

447
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Speaker 4: I don't play for a second. I don't want vice president.

448
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Speaker 4: I don't want cabinet. I don't want anything like that.

449
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Speaker 4: I am running because I think we have a country

450
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Speaker 4: to save.

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Speaker 1: Would you be in it if he asked you.

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Speaker 4: I don't want anything. I don't want anything. No, I

453
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Speaker 4: don't want anything. I have said it in every way

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Speaker 4: I know how to say it. I don't want to

455
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Speaker 4: be vice president. I don't want a position. I am

456
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Speaker 4: running for president. That's my focus.

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Speaker 2: A lot of women don't necessarily love your stance when

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Speaker 2: it comes to abortion, and why is your stance that

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Speaker 2: way towards abortion and abortion's rights and women's rights.

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Speaker 4: Well, do you know what my stance is?

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Speaker 1: I'm asking.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I can tell you what it says right now.

463
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Speaker 2: It says Haley opposes abortion rights, explaining that her opposition

464
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Speaker 2: is in her past difficulty in conceiving children.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so that is the Democrat party's talking points. I'm

466
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Speaker 4: going to tell you where I stand on it. The

467
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Speaker 4: issue of abortion is personal for every woman and every man.

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Speaker 4: It needs to be treated that way. I am personally,

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Speaker 4: unapologetically pro life, not because the Republican Party tells me

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Speaker 4: to be, but because my husband was adopted and I

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Speaker 4: had trouble having both of my children. Having said that,

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Speaker 4: I don't judge anyone for being pro choice any more

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Speaker 4: than I want them to judge me for being pro life.

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Speaker 4: So let's talk about how we got here. Prior to

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Speaker 4: nineteen seventy three, you had forty six state laws that

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Speaker 4: said where people where states were on abortion. And in

477
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Speaker 4: nineteen seventy three, unelected justices threw out those forty six

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Speaker 4: state laws and said abortion at any time, anywhere, for

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Speaker 4: any reason. Now, the unelected justices have said we should

480
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Speaker 4: always have had that in the hands of the people.

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Speaker 4: That's where I think it does belong. Some states that

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Speaker 4: have gone more pro life, I personally welcome that you've

483
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Speaker 4: got some that have gone more pro choice. I wish

484
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Speaker 4: that wasn't the case, but the people decided. The decision

485
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Speaker 4: that we're having now is should there be a federal law?

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Speaker 4: But no one is telling the American people the truth

487
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Speaker 4: in order to have a federal law, you have to

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Speaker 4: have a majority of the House, sixty Senate votes, and

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Speaker 4: a signature of a president. We haven't had sixty Republican

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Speaker 4: senators over one hundred years. We might have forty five

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Speaker 4: pro life senators. So no Republican president can ban abortions

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Speaker 4: any more than a Democrat president can ban these state laws.

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Speaker 4: So what should we do? We need to find consensus.

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Speaker 4: Can't we agree to ban late term abortions. Can't we

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Speaker 4: agree to encourage adoptions and good quality adoptions. Can't we

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Speaker 4: agree that doctors and nurses who don't believe in abortions

497
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Speaker 4: shouldn't have to perform them. Can't we agree that contraception

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Speaker 4: should be accessible? And can't we agree that no state

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Speaker 4: law should say to a woman if she's had an abortion,

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Speaker 4: that she's going to go to jail or get the

501
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Speaker 4: death penalty. Let's start there. I am not going to

502
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Speaker 4: demonize this issue. They if the Fellas have done this

503
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Speaker 4: all wrong. You have to humanize this issue. Our number

504
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Speaker 4: one goal is how do we save as many babies

505
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Speaker 4: as we can and support as many moms as we can.

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Speaker 4: I had a roommate in college who was raped. I

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Speaker 4: wouldn't wish on anyone to go through what she went through,

508
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Speaker 4: wondering if she was pregnant. Everybody has a story. We

509
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Speaker 4: need to be respectful of people's stories. You won't hear

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Speaker 4: me demonizing or judging. The problem is the Democrat party

511
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Speaker 4: has put fear in women. The Republican parties put judgment.

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Speaker 4: There's no place for fear or judgment when you're talking

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Speaker 4: about something this personal. The only thing you should have

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Speaker 4: is respects.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about some of the stuff that you kind

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Speaker 3: of stumbled over the last few weeks. Right Like, when

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Speaker 3: you say America has never been a racist country, I wonder, then,

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Speaker 3: what did you consider the tragic shooting of a manual

519
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Speaker 3: and me, what was that? Was that motivated by racism?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely it was motivated. But I don't think America is

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Speaker 4: a racist country. You know, I think that America, when

522
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Speaker 4: you look at all, men should be created equal, you know,

523
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Speaker 4: given life, liberty in the pursuit of happiness. We should

524
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Speaker 4: strive to say, how do we make today better than yesterday.

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Speaker 4: We are not a perfect country. We've got stains in

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Speaker 4: our history that we should never repeat. But if I

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Speaker 4: grew up as a brown girl in a small rural

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Speaker 4: town and my parents told me that I lived in

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Speaker 4: a racist country. I would never have thought I had

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Speaker 4: a chance. I want every child to know, is there

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Speaker 4: racism in our country? Yes? Should we call it out

532
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Speaker 4: every time? You bet? But you can be anything you

533
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Speaker 4: want to be without anyone getting in your way. I

534
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Speaker 4: just don't want kids to feel that. I want them

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Speaker 4: to know they've got a chance. I want them to

536
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Speaker 4: know they can do something. That shooting at Mother Emmanuel

537
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Speaker 4: was truly the hardest thing I've ever gone through in

538
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Speaker 4: my life, because you had nine amazing souls who did

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Speaker 4: what so many South Carolinians do. On a Wednesday night,

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Speaker 4: they went to Bible study, and on that night someone

541
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Speaker 4: else showed up. He didn't look like them, he didn't

542
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Speaker 4: act like them, he didn't sound like them. They didn't

543
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Speaker 4: call the cops, they didn't throw him out. Instead, they

544
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Speaker 4: pulled up a chair and they prayed with him for

545
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Speaker 4: an hour, and when they bowed their heads in that

546
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Speaker 4: last prayer, he began to shoot. These were people like

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Speaker 4: ethel Ance. She had lost her daughter two years prior

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Speaker 4: to breast cancer, and she would go around Mother Emmanuel

549
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Speaker 4: Church cleaning the church, singing one day at a time.

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Speaker 4: Sweet Jesus, that's all I ask of You. Give me

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Speaker 4: the strength to do every day what I have to do.

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Speaker 4: Taiwan'sa saying, our youngest victim had just finished college, had

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Speaker 4: the world in front of them, and on that night

554
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Speaker 4: he stood in front of his eighty seven year old

555
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Speaker 4: great aunt, Susie, and looked at the killer and said,

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Speaker 4: you don't have to do this. We mean no harm

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Speaker 4: to you. Or it was people like Cynthia Hurd, whose

558
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Speaker 4: life motto was simply to be kinder than necessary. That's

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Speaker 4: who these people were. And when this happened, it brought

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Speaker 4: South Carolina to her knees. And if you remember, this

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Speaker 4: was on the heels of Ferguson. Every place in the

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Speaker 4: country was on fire. But what we did, we didn't

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Speaker 4: have riots, we had vigils, we didn't have protests. We

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Speaker 4: had prayer, and we brought out the best in South

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Speaker 4: Carolinians to say it's time, and we brought that Confederate

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Speaker 4: flag down. That's the way we have to go forward.

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Speaker 4: I knew when I asked for the Confederate flag to

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Speaker 4: come down that it was going to be an impossible feat.

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Speaker 4: I had talked to legislators prior when I first became

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Speaker 4: governor to see if there was any any will to

571
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 4: move that Confederate flag because we were losing a lot

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Speaker 4: of economic development. Lots of things were happening from that

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Speaker 4: flag flying right in front of the state House. Republicans

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Speaker 4: and Democrats, whites and blacks told me not to touch

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Speaker 4: it because of what they went through in two thousand.

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Speaker 4: There were you know, death threats, all this that it

577
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Speaker 4: tore the state up, so they didn't want to touch it.

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Speaker 4: When this happened, we needed to do something. And what

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Speaker 4: brought it to light was, you know, the national media

580
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Speaker 4: came in and they wanted to define this. They wanted

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Speaker 4: to make it about guns. They wanted to make it

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Speaker 4: about racism, they wanted to make it about the death penalty.

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Speaker 4: It was, but the point was I strong armed them

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Speaker 4: and said there will be a time where we talk

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Speaker 4: about all that, but right now, we have nine souls

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Speaker 4: we need to put to rest. I didn't have that

587
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Speaker 4: luxury because two days later the killer came out draped

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Speaker 4: in the Confederate flag, and I told my staff, I said,

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Speaker 4: I want you to call four meetings. I said, I

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Speaker 4: want you to call Democrat leadership, Republican leadership. I want

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Speaker 4: you to call the congressional delegation, and I want you

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Speaker 4: to call community leaders. And I said, don't tell them

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Speaker 4: why I'm calling, because I knew they wouldn't show up.

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Speaker 4: And in every one of those meetings, I said, at

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Speaker 4: three o'clock today, I'm going to ask for the Confederate

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Speaker 4: flag to come down. And if you will stand with me,

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Speaker 4: I will forever be grateful, and if you won't, I'll

598
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Speaker 4: never tell anyone you were in this room. And I

599
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Speaker 4: had my husband with me that day because I didn't

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Speaker 4: think anybody was going to stand with me. And at

601
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Speaker 4: three o'clock we had Democrats, we had Republicans, we had men,

602
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Speaker 4: we had women, we had blacks, we had whites. But

603
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Speaker 4: that was the easy part. It took two thirds vote

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Speaker 4: to get the flag down. Now, the Senate passed it quickly.

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Speaker 4: And the reason they passed it quickly is because Senator

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Speaker 4: Pintney was the pastor of Mother Emmanuel Church. And I'll

607
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Speaker 4: never get over the night that I knew that happened,

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Speaker 4: that I called him and I said, Senator, I am

609
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 4: so sorry about what happened. I will be their first

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Speaker 4: thing in the morning. Whatever your families in congregation need,

611
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Speaker 4: we will be there. It haunts me to this day

612
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 4: that that phone was ringing in his pocket. He was

613
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Speaker 4: at Mother Emmanuel and he was killed. So the Senate

614
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 4: passed it quickly because their brother had died. The House

615
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 4: was a big issue now in South Carolina. Half the

616
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Speaker 4: people saw the Confederate flag as heritage and tradition. The

617
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 4: other half saw it as slavery and hate. My job

618
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 4: wasn't to judge either side. My job was to get

619
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Speaker 4: them to see the best in themselves and go forward.

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Speaker 4: The House didn't want to budge. I told the Speaker

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Speaker 4: of the House, I said, I need that flag to

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Speaker 4: come down. He came back, he said, all right, I

623
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Speaker 4: did the best I could. They'll bring the flag down,

624
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Speaker 4: but they want to put a different type of flag

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Speaker 4: up there, related to the Confederacy. I said, no flag.

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Speaker 4: A couple of days later, he comes back, he's like,

627
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Speaker 4: all right, we got it. They're willing to bring the

628
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Speaker 4: flag down. And I said, great, let's do it immediately.

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Speaker 4: Let's get this done. And he said, well, there's just

630
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Speaker 4: one little thing. He said, they want to keep the

631
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Speaker 4: flag pole up. What now? I South Carolina politics is

632
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 4: truly a blood sport. I knew what that meant if

633
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Speaker 4: they didn't bring the flag pole down. As soon as

634
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 4: the national media left, flag was going back up. I said,

635
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Speaker 4: I want the flag down. I want the flag pole down.

636
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Speaker 4: He said, why you could declare when you could tell

637
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Speaker 4: everybody you got the flag down. I said, because I

638
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 4: don't want any other governor to go through what this

639
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 4: state just had to go through. I said, get the flag,

640
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Speaker 4: and he goes, I can't do it. So I went

641
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 4: to the Republican Caucus and I said, I want to

642
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 4: tell you a story. I said, when I was growing up,

643
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 4: my dad would go to the big city of Columbia,

644
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Speaker 4: and sometimes I'd get to ride with him, and he

645
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 4: loved to stop at produce stands. He liked buying directly

646
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Speaker 4: from farmers. And I said, and one day we went

647
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Speaker 4: to a produce stand and he was getting his things,

648
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Speaker 4: and I saw the two people at the register and

649
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Speaker 4: they looked alarmed. My dad wears a turban, and a

650
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 4: couple minutes later, two police cars drove up, and the

651
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Speaker 4: police officer stood next to the owners. My dad kept

652
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Speaker 4: getting his produce. He went to the counter, he paid,

653
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 4: and he thanked them. We got in the car and

654
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 4: my dad didn't speak to me the whole way home

655
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 4: because he hoped I didn't notice what just happened. I

656
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 4: knew exactly what happened. And I told the caucus, I said,

657
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 4: when I go to get on the state plane, I

658
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 4: sometimes have to pass that produce stand, and every time

659
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 4: I passed that produce stand, I feel pain. I said,

660
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 4: don't let a single child ride past our statehouse and

661
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 4: see that flag and feel pain. Get the flag and

662
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 4: get the poll down. One am that night they voted,

663
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 4: and we brought it down.

664
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Speaker 3: A question when you look at the inequalities in America

665
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: and education, you know, home ownership, employment and wealth, healthcare,

666
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: can you admit that their America is systemically and structurally

667
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 3: a racist country.

668
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 4: I think culture has a lot to do with it, right,

669
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 4: but it's more of if you look at that, how

670
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 4: do you fix it when you.

671
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: Say all men are created equal, No, they weren't, because

672
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: we were label three fifths of a human Black people.

673
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 4: Were right, and we made that wrong. Right, and we've

674
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 4: got some more rights we have to do.

675
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: But this is so systemically and structurally. Do you think

676
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 3: America is racist? Not the people, not everybody in America.

677
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 4: I don't think America is racist I think we have

678
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 4: racism in America, and I think and I think we

679
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 4: have cultural issues. But let me explain where I am. So,

680
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 4: first of all, I grew up and you might have.

681
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 4: I don't know if Berkeley County was like this in

682
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 4: a town of twenty five hundred two stoplights. We were

683
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 4: the only Indian family in that small southern town. We

684
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 4: weren't white enough to be white. We weren't black enough

685
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 4: to be black. They didn't know who we were, what

686
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 4: we were, or why we were there in that rural town.

687
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 4: We didn't know what we didn't have, and so people

688
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 4: just survived. I now have a education foundation in South

689
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 4: Carolina where we do after school programs in all rural

690
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 4: challenged areas, because you've got to give extra support to

691
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 4: those areas that don't have But when I came into

692
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 4: South Carolina's governor, we had thousands of people on welfare.

693
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 4: A lot of that was generational, from one generation to

694
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 4: the next. They just lived on welfare. It's all they knew.

695
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 4: I wanted to change that. So what I did is

696
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 4: I took the people on welfare and I matched them

697
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 4: up with businesses, and I told the businesses, if you

698
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 4: will take this person and train them. I will pay

699
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 4: for them for X number of weeks and then you

700
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 4: decide if you want to hire them. We moved thirty

701
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 4: five thousand people from welfare to work. We had family

702
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 4: parties because for the first time kids saw their parents

703
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 4: working that those people didn't want a job, they didn't

704
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 4: know where to get the training. You got to do

705
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 4: the extra stuff to lift them up. Then I went

706
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 4: into the prison systems. I wanted to know how people

707
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 4: got in, what happened when they were there, and how

708
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 4: they got out. And I completely and I went into

709
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 4: those prisons and talked to the inmates and I completely

710
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 4: reformed the system to where we gave them financial planning,

711
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 4: family planning, computer skills, but we put equipment behind the

712
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 4: fence and we taught them a skill. Now when someone

713
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 4: leaves the fence, they have a job to go to

714
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 4: the next day. We have the lowest forcidivism rate in

715
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 4: the country. The goal is not what the circumstances are.

716
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 4: How do you pull people out of those circumstances and

717
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 4: lift them up.

718
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 3: Well, you can't hear what you don't reveal, So you

719
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: have to acknowledge the you know the history of the.

720
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 4: Way you have to acknowledge that these things are happening,

721
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 4: and how are you going to fix it?

722
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely no, I wont to do.

723
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: Why can't politicians Democrat and Republican because we've all heard

724
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 3: We've heard you say America has never been a racist country.

725
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 3: We've heard the Vice president say that before. We've heard

726
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 3: Oggim clib and say that before, We've heard Tim Scott.

727
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: Say that before.

728
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 3: Why can't Democratic and Republicans just be honest and tell people, Hey,

729
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: we can't have honest conversations about racism in this country

730
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: because it's not a good electoral strategy.

731
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 4: I mean, that's not why.

732
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: That's why everybody does.

733
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 4: I have talked about Look, I have talked about racism

734
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 4: as it affected me and how we need to get

735
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 4: past it. I mean, keep it.

736
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 3: You can't talk about it and say America's never been

737
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 3: You can't say America's never been a racist coutry, but

738
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: then talk about the racism you experienced.

739
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 4: There is racism in our country. I don't think that

740
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 4: our country was founded to be racist. I don't. I

741
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 4: think that it was meant to be this amazing experiment

742
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 4: to see if we could have freedom and democracy in

743
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 4: a way that all men are created equal, but are

744
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 4: not there yet.

745
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: If you didn't look at all men as equal from

746
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 3: the beginning, then the ideology is flawed.

747
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 4: But why do you want kids to hear that they

748
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 4: live in a racist country? Why can't you tell kids, look,

749
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 4: we're not perfect and we have some more things to fix.

750
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 4: I just I don't want any child to think like that.

751
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 4: I don't want any child to believe that their disadvantage

752
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 4: from the second they're born. I didn't want to feel that.

753
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a disadvantage. I think if you

754
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: tell somebody so, I think if you.

755
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: Tell somebody it's colde outside, you just that just makes

756
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: them put on a colde.

757
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 4: No, it makes them, it makes them know what it's

758
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 4: going to feel like before they even get outside. I

759
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 4: don't want kids to feel that. I want them to

760
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 4: get outside with confidence and strength and know that they

761
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: can beat anything. We have to do that.

762
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: I think I got to know the truth too, you know,

763
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: I don't think they have the truth.

764
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 2: You know, like I have two black sons, and they

765
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: have to understand what they're facing when they go out

766
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: to this. Well, it's not going to be the same

767
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: as let's say my neighbor or a classmate. It's going

768
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: to be the same and the same thing with the same.

769
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: Thing with you.

770
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: If you and the let's say your brothers wore the

771
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: same thing that your dad wore, they weren't going to

772
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: have the same lifestyle and they were going to be

773
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: looked at differently than your other classmates.

774
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: Well, it's the truth.

775
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 4: There was a We Miss Bamberg pageant that everybody would

776
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 4: put their children in. It was the big thing in Bamberg.

777
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 4: She always put your kits in. So my mom decided

778
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 4: to put me and my sister in this pageant. And

779
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 4: I was disqualified because they had a black queen and

780
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 4: they had a white queen. And they said they didn't

781
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 4: know where to put me because if I was in

782
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 4: the black category, the blacks to be mad. If I

783
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 4: was in the white category, the whites to be mad.

784
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 4: So they gave me a beach ball and sent me

785
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 4: all my way. Beef didn't Yeah, I know, that's all

786
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 4: I got. Right only after my mom said, will you

787
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 4: at least let her sing her song? You're never gonna

788
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 4: believe it. My song was this land is your land,

789
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 4: this land is my land. I mean, it doesn't get

790
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 4: any worse than that. Listen, did my parents sit down

791
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 4: and say to us what happened here was wrong? Yes?

792
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 4: But did they say this is the way the country is. No,

793
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 4: my mom said, you get up, you show that this

794
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 4: is We're going to make it better tomorrow. I just

795
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 4: it's my mentality that I want everybody to know. We

796
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 4: all have a job to do, and that's to fix

797
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 4: this country, and we never stop doing it. We have racism,

798
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 4: and it's terrible. I've felt y'all felt it. A lot

799
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 4: of people have felt it. But are we not going

800
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 4: to fight every day to make sure that we stomp

801
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 4: it out wherever we see it? Absolutely? But I don't

802
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 4: want kids being raised to think that they're never going

803
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 4: to get past it. I want them to think that

804
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 4: they can actually be the ones that help us get

805
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 4: pasted it.

806
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: But they have to know what it is.

807
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 3: You can't take it out of you can't take it

808
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: out of classrooms, you can't take it out of curriculum.

809
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: You can't act like it doesn't exist.

810
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: I have to heal it. You have to reveal it.

811
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: Noider to here, But.

812
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 4: Didn't we learn it in South Carolina? We learned about it.

813
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 4: We learned about it in history classes. You should always

814
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 4: talk about it in history classes. You don't know how

815
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 4: to keep bad things from happening if you don't look

816
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 4: at the past and say, okay, how do we go

817
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 4: for Those are the lessons that we have to learn.

818
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 4: I think it's fine to talk about it. I have

819
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 4: no issues with that, but don't don't judge people who

820
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 4: are trying to do right now and don't live in

821
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 4: the past. Let's look forward and say what do we

822
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 4: want to look like?

823
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 3: So why did you take the Confederate flag now? Was

824
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 3: because it was a symbolism of racism or hate?

825
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: Like why they said? You said it was two sides.

826
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 4: And it wasn't for me to judge. But you couldn't

827
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 4: look at that killer draped in that Confederate flag and

828
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 4: not know that that was it. Really is what I

829
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 4: told the call, I don't want any child to ride

830
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 4: by that and think of those nine people that died,

831
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 4: and like, we had to do that that I had to.

832
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 4: And the thing is they had tried for years to

833
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 4: get it down. It was put up. It was put

834
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 4: up by a Democrat governor who promised to just have

835
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 4: it up for a year and take it down, and

836
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 4: he never took it down. So this is not where

837
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 4: you blame people. This is about saying, let's right or wrong.

838
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 4: And That's what I've always tried to do. If I

839
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 4: lived my life blaming you know, what Trump calls me today,

840
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 4: or what somebody said about me yesterday or whatever, I'd

841
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 4: spend all that energy on them instead of spending the

842
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 4: energy on saying I'm going to do better.

843
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: You think Trump mocking your birth name was racist?

844
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 4: I mean, I think we can let other people decide that.

845
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 4: I think you know, you look at it and it's

846
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 4: kind of like the Tim Scott you sleep with yourself.

847
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 4: I mean, we'll let Donald Trump sleep with that all

848
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 4: they want.

849
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: Oh, he don't care. He sleeps very good at it.

850
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 4: And then that's why we need a new president.

851
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 2: What's your thoughts on immigration?

852
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 4: So, first of all, we got to secure the border.

853
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 4: I mean, America is acting like it's September tenth, and

854
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 4: we better remember what September twelfth felt like. It only

855
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 4: takes one person, and I have been to the border

856
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 4: and it's horrific what's happening for both for the people

857
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 4: that are coming and for the people that have to

858
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 4: live with it. So first, secure the border. We passed

859
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 4: the toughest i legal immigration law in the country when

860
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 4: I was governor, and I think the way we fix

861
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 4: it is you say we're going to have a national

862
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 4: everify program. Every business has to prove that the people

863
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 4: they hire in this country legally. We've got a defund

864
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 4: sanctuary cities once and for all. If they know there's

865
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 4: a safe haven, they're going to keep coming. You got

866
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 4: to put twenty five thousand Border patrol and ICE agents

867
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 4: on the ground and let them do their job. They're

868
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 4: not letting them do it. Now. We have to go

869
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 4: back to the remain in Mexico policy so that no

870
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,479
Speaker 4: one steps foot on US soil and instead of catching release,

871
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 4: you got to go to catch and deport. But you

872
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 4: also have to do legal immigration reform. It should not

873
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 4: take someone ten years to become a citizen. I mean

874
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 4: right now, we've got to focus on what we need

875
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 4: to do to get all of that slowness and bureaucracy

876
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 4: out and allow it to be based on merit. What

877
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 4: makes our country better start when you do it on merit,

878
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 4: Then all of a sudden, you're helping the economy, you're

879
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 4: helping the country, You're doing all of those things, but

880
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 4: they got to do both. And it's inexcusable that they

881
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 4: continue to push this can down the road and wait

882
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 4: for something bad to happen instead of just securing that

883
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 4: border right now.

884
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 3: It's terrible, But you know, Republicans are kind of politicizing

885
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 3: it right now, right because there's a deal on the table.

886
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's considered a good deal or not.

887
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 3: But do you think Republicans should take Joe Biden's deal

888
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 3: or should they listen to Donald Trump was telling them no,

889
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 3: it don't take it because he just wants the credit

890
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: for it if he wins.

891
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it is a mistake for Trump

892
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 4: to say I don't want anything because it'll make it

893
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 4: harder for me an election. Something needs to be done today,

894
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 4: Like to me, Republicans and Democrats, they shouldn't leave DC

895
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 4: until they fix this, and Biden should stay there and

896
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 4: make sure they do it that. I don't know the

897
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 4: full details of the deal. The only thing I do

898
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 4: know is it doesn't have the remain in Mexico policy,

899
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 4: which is very important. People need to stay in Mexico.

900
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 4: They shouldn't come here. They're not vetting anybody, and you

901
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 4: shouldn't allow anybody to come across that. We don't know

902
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 4: who they are, what they are, all of that. So

903
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 4: if we're going to do it, we all know Congress.

904
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 4: Once Congress passes something, they walk away and say, oh,

905
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 4: we did that already, do it right, do it right?

906
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 4: But should they wait till the election to do it? No,

907
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 4: you get it done now. We can't wait another day.

908
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: Why not use that against Trump?

909
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: Like, why not tell the American people, Hey, the border

910
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: deal could be done right now with Trump is impeding

911
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 3: on that progress.

912
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 4: I mean, look, the media is not talking about it.

913
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 4: I have said that it is not a good thing

914
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 4: to say you're going to wait until the election to

915
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 4: get it done. Americans can't wait until the election. I've

916
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 4: called it out. I'm happy to call out. But I

917
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 4: also think it should be a good deal. It needs

918
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 4: to be a strong deal. If we're going to do this,

919
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 4: it needs to keep Americans safe.

920
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that make Trump the shadow president? The fact that

921
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: he can just say on true.

922
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 3: Social hey man, I don't think y'all should do the

923
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 3: deal in Republicans are actually listening to them.

924
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 4: I mean, yesterday he said that the reason the stock

925
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 4: market was good was because of him, because people now

926
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 4: think he's going to win. I mean, Americans aren't stupid,

927
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 4: they're not. But what we do need to do is

928
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 4: see reality for what it is. It's I don't have

929
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 4: personal issues with him, that's just not it. But do

930
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 4: we really want to keep going in this direction? Do

931
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 4: we really want all this chaos? Because no one feels safe,

932
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 4: no one feels like America's moving. Our enemies don't know

933
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 4: what happened to us and are taking advantage of it.

934
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 4: And we've got to start looking in the mirror and

935
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 4: saying we can either be part of the solution or not.

936
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 4: That's why we're trying to get everybody out to vote

937
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 4: in a primary. You've got options, You've got options. A

938
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 4: lot of people vote in a general election, but they

939
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 4: don't vote in a primary. In general election, you're given

940
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 4: a choice. In a primary, you make the choice. That's

941
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 4: why we need to have people voting in South Carolina.

942
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: I got a few more questions because you' give us

943
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: a lot of time. Thank you.

944
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 3: Would you use force against Texas if they tried to

945
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 3: secede over the board issue? Because I remember in twenty

946
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 3: ten you said you U has states should have the

947
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 3: right to secede.

948
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: Do you still believe that.

949
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 4: I believe in states rights. I believe that everything should

950
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 4: be as close to the people to decide. We know

951
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 4: that's not going to happen. That's not the issue, but

952
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 4: I do think, like right now, it's a good issue

953
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 4: on state's rights. Biden won't secure the border. If Governor

954
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 4: Abbott goes and puts that fencing up there to keep

955
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 4: people out. He has to protect Texans. When I was governor,

956
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 4: I had to protect South Carolina, and you do whatever

957
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 4: it takes to protect your people and keep them safe.

958
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 4: If Biden's saying no, cut that fence, I mean, a

959
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 4: state has the ability to do these things because states

960
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 4: rights do matter, and I think that states need to

961
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 4: be able to do that.

962
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: Would you use force against Texas if they ever try

963
00:44:59,239 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: to succeed?

964
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 4: Use force against them? No, we don't ever use force

965
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 4: against our own Americans.

966
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: Okay, I got it. I don't mean like military or

967
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: anything like that. I'm just talking about, like, would you

968
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: be strong against them doing that?

969
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I think you know, states are going to

970
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 4: make decisions, but let's talk about what's reality. Texas isn't

971
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 4: going to succeed and succeed. I mean, that's not something

972
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 4: that they're going to do.

973
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: So why did you say you believe in that in

974
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: two ten?

975
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 4: What was the context of it.

976
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: I think you said you believe that states have the

977
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: right to secede. That's what you said. You believe the

978
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: states of the United States have the right to seceed community.

979
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 4: I think that they do. I mean the Constitution says that.

980
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 4: I think states have the right to make the decisions

981
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 4: that their people want to make. I mean they do.

982
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 4: In South Carolina, we said we didn't want Syrian refugees.

983
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 4: We said we didn't want Guantana Mobay prisoners. We said

984
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 4: those things. South. I do think that laws should be

985
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 4: made as close to the people as possible because it

986
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 4: empowers the people. If Texas decides they want to do that,

987
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 4: they can do that. But I don't think that if

988
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 4: that whole state says we don't want to be part

989
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 4: of America anymore, I mean, that's their decision to make.

990
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 4: But I don't think government needs to tell people how

991
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 4: to live, how to do anything. I mean, I think

992
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 4: that we need to let freedom live and.

993
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, I want to go back to the flag.

994
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 3: Do you still think Confederate Heritage Month should be celebrated.

995
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: You said that in twenty ten.

996
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 4: What so I right after the flag came down, a

997
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 4: lot of people wanted to remove monuments and street signs.

998
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 4: And you know, South Carolina is draped in history. And

999
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 4: what I said then and what I still say now

1000
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 4: is taking down a monument. Taking down something doesn't change

1001
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 4: the situation. Add to it. So instead of taking down

1002
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 4: a monument, they're putting up a memorial for Mother Emmanuel.

1003
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 4: There's an African American museum now right there in Charleston.

1004
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 4: Add to the history. Don't erase history, because that's what

1005
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 4: teaches us lessons. If the South Carolina General Assembly wants

1006
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 4: to continue having a Confederate whatever it is they have,

1007
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 4: they vote on that, they decide whether to do that.

1008
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 4: That's up to them. I did my part. My part

1009
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 4: was saying we're not going to have a living, breathing

1010
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 4: symbol stand in front of our state house anymore and

1011
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 4: define us, and brought that down. We all have choices

1012
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 4: to make the legislature if they choose to do that,

1013
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 4: they can choose to do that. I mean, I remember,

1014
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 4: right when I asked for the flag to come down,

1015
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 4: there was one day, we had the Black Panthers on

1016
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 4: one side of the State House and we had the

1017
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 4: KKK on the other side. That each of them that

1018
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 4: was their choice. I made sure there was enough security

1019
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 4: that no one got hurt. Freedom does matter. I will

1020
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 4: always fight for people's freedom. I will never sit there

1021
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 4: and say what you can say and not say. I'll

1022
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 4: never tell you how to live or not live. I'll

1023
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 4: never control your life and say government's going to tell

1024
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 4: you to do this. I strongly believe that freedom that

1025
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 4: people need to live and say and do what they

1026
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 4: want to do. I may not agree with it, but

1027
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 4: I will always fight for your freedom.

1028
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: And you know in two thousands and you also said

1029
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: about the Civil War.

1030
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 3: You said it had an interview too, that it was

1031
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 3: about tradition versus change. And then they asked you about

1032
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: it earlier this year and you said it wasn't about slavery.

1033
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 3: But then you came back and said it was. Why

1034
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: initially didn't you just say, hey, it was about slavery.

1035
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 4: So the context of that is I've done over one

1036
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 4: hundred and sixty town halls, answering every question, shaking every hand.

1037
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 4: We don't screen anything all that. When he asked that question.

1038
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 4: I made the mistake of thinking he was he was

1039
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 4: trying to ask something else. I could tell that he

1040
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 4: was not a fan. Slavery should have been the first

1041
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 4: thing that came out of my mouth. I mean, growing

1042
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 4: up in South Carolina, we all knew that the Civil

1043
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 4: War was about slavery. That almost seemed too easy. I

1044
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 4: thought he was asking a harder question, and that's why

1045
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 4: I didn't say it. It was wrong. I should have

1046
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 4: said it. I agree, you know that, But it was

1047
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 4: just me overthinking that question.

1048
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: I feel stupid that night, Is you like, oh yeah.

1049
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 4: I mean it was one of those things like because

1050
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 4: it was so like slavery's a given, So I was

1051
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 4: mad that it was a given. But I was too

1052
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 4: busy judging his intentions. Then I was just answering the question.

1053
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 4: And it was a mistake.

1054
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 3: You know, in your memoir in twenty twelve, you said

1055
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 3: that you believe, you believe that letting law makers hide

1056
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 3: the sources of their income is wrong. But you've done

1057
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 3: the same thing, So why not mention that.

1058
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: In your memoir?

1059
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 4: When did I have my sources of income?

1060
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: Well?

1061
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 3: I read an ny Times article this week and it

1062
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 3: said they were questioning you about your ethics because of

1063
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 3: a contract you had with Wili Smith that you didn't disclose.

1064
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 4: All of them. Not only was it disco First of all,

1065
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 4: they brought up this issue and said, why didn't you

1066
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 4: tell we didn't have disclosure of income? But what I

1067
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 4: did do is anything that was a conflict of interest.

1068
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 4: I recused myself from voting because they tried to make

1069
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 4: this a thing. That is the reason I said we

1070
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 4: should disclose everything. So I tried to. Any time you

1071
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 4: see a wrong, transparency heals all things, and so I

1072
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 4: open it up. It's why I required legislators to start

1073
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 4: showing their votes on the record. It's why I said

1074
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 4: we should all have to disclose our income. It's why

1075
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 4: I've always been very transparent. Anything that people want to see,

1076
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 4: I think you should be able to see it if

1077
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 4: you're in public office. And so again, you find wrongs

1078
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 4: and you make them right. It wasn't that I was

1079
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 4: hiding my income. South Carolina didn't require it, but when

1080
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 4: questions came up, I thought we should require it. Taxpayers

1081
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 4: should know where people get paid. That's the legislature hated

1082
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 4: me for it, but it was true. We all should

1083
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Speaker 4: have to show taxpayers whatever it is they need to

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Speaker 4: know to feel comfortable about.

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Speaker 1: What we're doing in a post Trump era.

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Speaker 3: When I read that article, I honestly was like, who cares?

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Speaker 1: That's what that was my mind.

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Speaker 4: So this New York Times, whatever you're doing about, do.

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Speaker 1: You ever think about that?

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Speaker 3: Do you ever be like, like, look what's going on

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Speaker 3: over here?

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Speaker 1: And this is what they're worried about? With me?

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Speaker 4: No, it's politics. I mean, it doesn't bother me. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I'm happy to answer any questions about anything that comes up.

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Speaker 4: What do I wish they would talk more about the

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Speaker 4: issues facing American families? Yes, Instead they try and throw

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Speaker 4: shade to make people don't like her because of this,

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Speaker 4: don't like her because of that. But that's why I'm

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Speaker 4: incredibly open about everything. I mean, there's nothing you can

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Speaker 4: ask me that I'm not going to go and give

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Speaker 4: an answer for because I think that you got to

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Speaker 4: put yourself out there. So, yeah, do we have to

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Speaker 4: fix things when they write stuff like that, I mean,

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Speaker 4: instead of saying she wouldn't disclose her income, why don't

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Speaker 4: you say because it was an issue? That's why I

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Speaker 4: passed the law so that that never happened again. You know,

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Speaker 4: I've always tried to make things right when there's been

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Speaker 4: a wrong.

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Speaker 3: You have a lot of big Democratic donors, you know,

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Speaker 3: who have donated to anti Trump candidates and causes, and

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00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 3: they donated to deal campaign.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think Why do you think that is?

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Speaker 4: I don't go after any certain kind of donor. We

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00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 4: need donors, we need voters. I put myself out there,

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Speaker 4: and so whoever contributes, I don't say are you a

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Speaker 4: Republican or are you a Democrat? Are you an independent?

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Speaker 4: I don't ask that. If they support what we're doing,

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Speaker 4: we appreciate the same with voters. I don't just go

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Speaker 4: to Maga Republicans. I don't just go to Republicans. I'm

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Speaker 4: talking to Republicans, I'm talking to independence, I'm talking to Democrats.

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Speaker 4: I'm talking to anybody that will listen. Because this is

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Speaker 4: a story about addition, you should want I've said this

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Speaker 4: to the Republican Party a million times. Republicans have lost

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Speaker 4: the last seven out of eight popular votes for president.

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Speaker 4: That's nothing to be proud of. We should want to

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Speaker 4: win the majority of Americans. That's what I'm trying to do,

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Speaker 4: is I want everybody. So if people decide to donate

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Speaker 4: to us. I appreciate it. We'll take it. But at

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Speaker 4: the end of the day, I'm focused on lifting up everybody.

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Speaker 4: That's where I think our country finally needs to go.

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Speaker 3: How the ward just looking because I saw something last night.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't look like you have digital ads running on Facebook,

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Speaker 3: which I thought was s grenge, like, I want to

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Speaker 3: see some of your digital ads or at least the

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Speaker 3: ones your campaign was running, and it says they were off.

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Speaker 4: No, we have so we are on TV. We've got digital,

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Speaker 4: we've got door knockers, we've got phone callers, we have

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Speaker 4: where I mean, we've got lots of comer marcis on TV.

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Speaker 4: The money I'm gonna account it. So when the rest

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Speaker 4: of the Fellows were spending all their money on things

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Speaker 4: that didn't matter, mine has always gone straight to TV

1142
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 4: where we can touch as many voters as we can.

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Speaker 4: So we have enough to be strong in South Carolina.

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Speaker 4: We're now raising for when Trump hits me, to be

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Speaker 4: able to defend ourselves. That's the next focus. But look,

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Speaker 4: we're gonna take it from everybody, and I'll tell you,

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Speaker 4: I mean, everything from our money standpoint is good. But

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00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 4: after Trump went on that temper tantrum. We raised a

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Speaker 4: million dollars after he said anybody that supports her, you know,

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Speaker 4: it can't be part of MAGA. We raised another one

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Speaker 4: point six million. After he went and tried to say

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00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 4: the Republican Party should name him the nominee. We raised

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Speaker 4: another one point four million, all in small dollars from

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Speaker 4: around the country. We have over two hundred and twenty

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Speaker 4: five thousand donors from across the country. Ninety five percent

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Speaker 4: of those donations are two hundred dollars or less. Those

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Speaker 4: are the people I'm fighting for. Is making sure we

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Speaker 4: fight for every normal, regular American out there, not the

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Speaker 4: political class.

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Speaker 1: Two more questions.

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Speaker 3: How has Trump changed politics for the good and of bad.

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Speaker 4: He's made it chaotic, He's made it self absorbed. He's

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00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 4: made people dislike and judge each other. He's left that

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Speaker 4: a president should have moral clarity and know the difference

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Speaker 4: between right or wrong. And he's just toxic. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he you know, I think a lot of the things

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Speaker 4: he broke needed to be broken, but he doesn't know

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Speaker 4: how to fix things again. And it's not okay to

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00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 4: just break. You've got to fix it and make it better.

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Speaker 4: And he hasn't done that.

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Speaker 3: What do you think he's done good for the culture politics?

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Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about legislation. I'm talking about the

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Speaker 3: example I use is I feel like Trump has killed

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Speaker 3: the language of politics.

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Speaker 1: If politicians wanted.

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Speaker 3: To, they could really be on their bulwarth stuff and

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Speaker 3: really just tell the truth, speaking like it is, and

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Speaker 3: people wouldn't care. And when you said you talk about

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Speaker 3: the moral aspect of it.

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Speaker 1: I never expected politicians to be perfect, because I know

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Speaker 1: they're not. So he's kind of like broken that mold

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Speaker 1: the way y'all don't have to be.

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Speaker 4: And moral clarity, though, isn't about like being a moral person.

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Speaker 4: That's moral clarity is just knowing the difference between right

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Speaker 4: and wrong, knowing the difference of you know, should you

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Speaker 4: call a group of people a name or not, should

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Speaker 4: you disqualified? That's the moral clarity I'm talking about. What

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Speaker 4: I think he did right was one, he broke some

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Speaker 4: things that needed to be broken. I think those were important.

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Speaker 4: Breaking the bureaucracy and getting things to move in a

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Speaker 4: way that people started talking about them again, I think

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Speaker 4: was important. I think the other thing that he did

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Speaker 4: was he really tapped into a group that felt unheard

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Speaker 4: and unseen and We should always focus on how you

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Speaker 4: can and the unheard unseen are people like where I

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Speaker 4: grew up in Bamberg, South, care of those people who

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Speaker 4: work hard every day. They don't have a lot of

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Speaker 4: time for politics, but they take care of their family.

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Speaker 4: But they felt unheard and unseen. And he tapped into that,

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Speaker 4: and I think that that was something that was good.

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Speaker 4: I think that, you know, we should always try and

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Speaker 4: tap into those people that you may not see every day,

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00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 4: or you may not hear, or they may not donate.

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Speaker 4: You still got to focus on them too.

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Speaker 1: Last question, is all is worth it?

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Speaker 4: Yes, because we have a country to save. We have

1207
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 4: a country to save, and I am not going to

1208
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 4: stop until we do this. I know in my soul

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Speaker 4: I'm supposed to be doing this. I know it because

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Speaker 4: I one don't want my kids to live like this.

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Speaker 4: I don't want anybody's kids to live like this. This

1212
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 4: is not normal. There's nothing about it that's normal. It's

1213
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 4: not normal to have two eighty year olds running. It's

1214
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 4: not normal to have this chaos around us. It's not

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Speaker 4: normal for us to have wars all over the world

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00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 4: and you're sitting there talking about court cases and calling

1217
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Speaker 4: people names. That's not normal.

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Speaker 3: You contributed to a lot of it, though, hell being

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Speaker 3: a part of administration.

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Speaker 4: No, When I was part of his administration, I told

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Speaker 4: countries what America was for and what America was against.

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Speaker 4: I didn't care if they didn't like me, but I

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Speaker 4: wanted them to respect America. We brought respect to the

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Speaker 4: United Nations again from America. Countries trusted US and respected

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Speaker 4: us again. I'm very proud of what I did. I

1226
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 4: didn't work in DC. I never wanted to be. I

1227
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 4: went there, I had my national security meetings, and I left.

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Speaker 4: I didn't get into the drama. I didn't get into

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Speaker 4: any of the politics there. I didn't go to the parties.

1230
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Speaker 4: I stayed here in New York and I did my

1231
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 4: job and only went to meetings when I had to.

1232
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Speaker 4: I kept my head down and focused on what my

1233
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 4: job was. I've always done that.

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Speaker 3: The Republicans look at Trump as Frankenstein, and y'all had

1235
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Speaker 3: doctor Frankenstein.

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Speaker 1: So now y'all got to get rid of I.

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Speaker 4: Think there's a lot of Republicans that still like Trump right.

1238
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 4: They like what he did. They think he didn't get

1239
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 4: a moment's piece. They didn't think he got announce of credit.

1240
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 4: But I also think they need to understand that you

1241
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 4: don't have to leave him, you don't have to hate him,

1242
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 4: but you do have to say it's time to move forward.

1243
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 4: Biden and Trump like we're it's time to move forward

1244
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 4: from these older politicians and let's do something that's good

1245
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 4: for America again.

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Speaker 1: All right, Nikki Haley, how did you donate to your campaign?

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Speaker 4: Go to Nicki Haley dot com. If you're in South Carolina.

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Speaker 4: We could do early voting February twelfth, the primaries on

1249
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 4: February twenty fourth, show up with your ID, and let's

1250
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Speaker 4: get it done.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the conversation.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, this was fun.

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Speaker 1: It's Nicki Haley. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Wake

1254
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club