Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of
Speaker 1: today's best minds. And an NBC News poll finds that
Speaker 1: fifty two percent of voters blame Trump and Republicans in
Speaker 1: Congress for the ongoing shutdown. Well forty two percent blame
Speaker 1: Democrats in Congress. We have such a great show for
Speaker 1: you today. The Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson joins us
Speaker 1: to discuss Trump's government being unable to keep airports functioning.
Speaker 1: New York Magazine's own Earin Carmone stops by to talk
Speaker 1: about her new book Unbearable, Five Women and the perils
Speaker 1: of pregnancy in America. But first the news, Molly.
Speaker 2: We have a new poll that shows something that will
Speaker 2: not be the least bit shocking to you, and I
Speaker 2: Pew Research is saying that Democrats are frustrated with their
Speaker 2: party and there's a huge increase in the ones who.
Speaker 1: Are Honestly, anyone who has talked to a person who
Speaker 1: is not in the business in the politics business knows
Speaker 1: that the American people are fucking pissed, and they're pissed
Speaker 1: of Republicans and they're pissed at Democrats. Now they're more
Speaker 1: mad at Trump, which is good and is true because
Speaker 1: Republicans control the House, the Senate, the Presidency, the Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But Democrats are also mad,
Speaker 1: and they're mad at their leadership. And you know this,
Speaker 1: sixty seven percent of Democrats say they're frustrated with their party,
Speaker 1: up for about half in Pew polls from twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one and twenty nineteen. That's because in twenty sixteen, American
Speaker 1: people felt that the Democrats were doing what they wanted.
Speaker 1: They were fighting in a way they wanted. Now a
Speaker 1: lot of Democrats are mad. They feel that they're not
Speaker 1: getting the kind of fight they want from Democrats. And
Speaker 1: that's why Chuck Schumer really had to do this shutdown,
Speaker 1: because his constituents wanted him to shut down the government.
Speaker 1: And I I think it was really a smart thing
Speaker 1: to do. I think it actually has got people talking
Speaker 1: about healthcare. And it was the only thing Democrats could
Speaker 1: do to get the conversation going about healthcare and to
Speaker 1: throw some sand in the gears because the Republican Party
Speaker 1: is just at a breakneck speed taking stuff away from
Speaker 1: the American people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's said Etaly. New friend of the show
Speaker 2: Woke Marjorie Taylor Green. She was on Bill Maher this
Speaker 2: weekend and she was talking about how the Republicans have
Speaker 2: no plan whatsoever to deal with healthcare and that her party.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like kind of one of those funny things.
Speaker 2: Is it really seems like she's in this thing where
Speaker 2: a lot of the like right wing populists are waking
Speaker 2: up like, oh, this has all been a fucking grift
Speaker 2: and they've never had any plan for this.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, it's so funny because if you think
Speaker 1: about all of the many times we have dealt with
Speaker 1: Donald care and healthcare, Like remember during the campaign when
Speaker 1: he was going to debate against Harris and he was like,
Speaker 1: I have concepts of a plan, right, Like, you could
Speaker 1: never get jumped to ever say I have a plan
Speaker 1: because you know why he doesn't have a plan because
Speaker 1: healthcare in this country is super expensive and if you
Speaker 1: don't set standard pricing, then you can't make it cheaper.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter what you do. And the problem
Speaker 1: is to set standard pricing. It's very complicated and you
Speaker 1: have to make a lot of people really mad. Doctors,
Speaker 1: insurance companies, medical trial lawyers. I mean, it just will
Speaker 1: be a big sea change. It's what they do in Europe.
Speaker 1: But that's the way to do it. But Republicans can't
Speaker 1: admit that right for obvious reasons. So here's what they say.
Speaker 1: They say, we have a plan, and our plan is
Speaker 1: to come up with something better, something better. That sounds good.
Speaker 1: I like something better. But the problem is they're not
Speaker 1: going to tell you what it is, because that would
Speaker 1: mean you'd have to know what it was, and since
Speaker 1: it's nothing, you will not hear about it. And that
Speaker 1: is how we got here. Some people say this is
Speaker 1: one of the stupidest moments in American history, but I
Speaker 1: don't believe it. I really do, truly believe that things
Speaker 1: can get stupid.
Speaker 3: From here A strong agree.
Speaker 1: I have an enormous faith in my countrymen.
Speaker 2: Well let me demonstrate that by going there. So one
Speaker 2: of the things Republicans are doing instead of their jobs
Speaker 2: are plotting all sorts of things that will make their
Speaker 2: most racist followers happy. This week, while you and I
Speaker 2: were on vacation, we unfortunately did not get to discuss
Speaker 2: that on Piers Morgan's show. Katie Miller, wife of Steven
Speaker 2: Miller melted down when Jane Kueger challenged her on putting
Speaker 2: America first instead of israel Ed. She said, the plan
Speaker 2: that they have which is going to be that they're
Speaker 2: going to deport elan Omar. And now we have legislation
Speaker 2: of the House that they want to deport Zora Momdani
Speaker 2: if he gets elected.
Speaker 1: Katie Miller is the wife of Stephen Miller. She has
Speaker 1: overtweezed her eyebrows.
Speaker 3: Really, I did not notice.
Speaker 1: I take no pleasure to report that despite being wealthy
Speaker 1: and powerful, she's somehow nobody has told her the truth
Speaker 1: about her eyebrows. She is exploring podcasting as a podcaster.
Speaker 1: I would like to offer this advice. There are so
Speaker 1: many better things to do with your life. But that said,
Speaker 1: she has decided that she wants to be in the
Speaker 1: pundit space, and who am I to dissuade her. They
Speaker 1: can't deport ilhan Omar. But it's nice to see the
Speaker 1: people in Congress trying to do anything. The good news
Speaker 1: is Congress is never coming back, So you can try
Speaker 1: to deport anyone you want. It's not happening because if
Speaker 1: you want to deport anyone, you will have to come
Speaker 1: back and swear in that two hundred and fifty first
Speaker 1: vote for the discharge petition for the Epstein files. And
Speaker 1: since Mike Johnson will never do that, you can do
Speaker 1: whatever you want.
Speaker 3: So are you sure that's two hundred and fifty one votes.
Speaker 1: I think it's two hundred and fifty one for the
Speaker 1: discharge petition, but perhaps my producer Jesse can it will
Speaker 1: check anyway. The question is you need to swear in
Speaker 1: Adlita Grihaaleva, whose father got in office, who is waiting
Speaker 1: to be sworn in, cannot be sworn in by Mike
Speaker 1: Johnson because if she is sworn in, she will be
Speaker 1: the two hundred and eighteen signature for the discharge petition,
Speaker 1: which will then actually do nothing. And this is my
Speaker 1: favorite part about Mike Johnson. So once they do this
Speaker 1: discharge petition, it still goes to the Senate and dies anyway.
Speaker 1: So it's like Mike Johnsen has made things worse for
Speaker 1: himself for no reason, like just swear it, like it's
Speaker 1: not going to make any difference.
Speaker 2: But they don't want to be on record voting for
Speaker 2: to protect the pedophile cabal.
Speaker 1: I guess sure that's the logic.
Speaker 3: I've heard them say on the right side broadcasting network.
Speaker 1: Right, the best, Everyone's favorite. So the point of this
Speaker 1: is How's Republicans, the gang that couldn't shoot straight, have
Speaker 1: a lot of real racist legislation, none of which they
Speaker 1: can pass because they are a not very smart and
Speaker 1: be not in sesh. That is not our moment of fuckeray,
Speaker 1: but it certainly is another moment in our lives, which
Speaker 1: are filled with fockeray.
Speaker 2: So speaking of that, Pete Haigsith a man who really
Speaker 2: is not a free speech warrior because he loves shutting
Speaker 2: down any speech he hasn't given permission for.
Speaker 1: But he has a beautiful head of hair.
Speaker 2: I just saw Azalea Banks saying this on Twitter, and
Speaker 2: factory really think.
Speaker 1: Yes, I did see Exanda Banks. Her and I separated
Speaker 1: at birth.
Speaker 3: I think of you two as similar souls.
Speaker 1: Oh, very similar.
Speaker 2: Heigsith has barred military officials from discussing drug boat strikes
Speaker 2: with Congress without prior approval.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the five people who still work in the Pentagon
Speaker 1: press pool, I think it's like a Turkish news network
Speaker 1: and one American news right, I mean it's like three
Speaker 1: people because everyone else refused to sign his draconian thing
Speaker 1: which said you can only ever report on anything if
Speaker 1: we gave it to you and told you were allowed to. Anyway,
Speaker 1: the point of this whole story is that now we
Speaker 1: have a Pentagon, millions of people, billions of dollars, and
Speaker 1: we don't know what the fuck is happening in there
Speaker 1: because there's no news there. There's no reporting there. And
Speaker 1: this is by design. This is so that Donald Trump
Speaker 1: can do stuff which is very likely illegal. And there's
Speaker 1: a reason they don't want people reporting on those drug boats,
Speaker 1: and it's because they're not drug boats. They're probably fishing boats.
Speaker 1: Wick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Project and
Speaker 1: the host of The Enemy's List. Welcome back to fast pologics.
Speaker 4: Right, well then, probably drunk fast?
Speaker 1: How are you? Friend?
Speaker 4: You know what? I am better than I was on Friday?
Speaker 1: And wow, you know who is even better? Donald J.
Speaker 4: Trull hit a weekend off, just as we all have,
Speaker 4: and he's down there in Marlago having a sort of
Speaker 4: end of the era party to express his understanding and
Speaker 4: his truly deep connection to the working people of America
Speaker 4: by having a party with the Pussycat Dolls or whatever
Speaker 4: the fuck it was.
Speaker 1: Gats be themeds themed as one does, as one does.
Speaker 1: But the federal government itself is just moving along smoothly.
Speaker 1: And no place is that more clear than in the
Speaker 1: Department of Transportation, which is was once a DEI project
Speaker 1: but is now run by white men.
Speaker 4: And you know, all I can say is thank God
Speaker 4: that we've got the crackerjack team of former reality TV
Speaker 4: star Sean Duffy and a variety of other window licking
Speaker 4: morons in charge of the of the of the nation's
Speaker 4: air traffic control system right now. Because and here's the part,
Speaker 4: as a pilot, because pilots always like to say that, as.
Speaker 1: A pilot, so both then you and I are longtime friends,
Speaker 1: and I have never flown with you.
Speaker 4: Well I'm gonna make I'm gonna fix that problem.
Speaker 1: No you won't, right, I do know that you are
Speaker 1: a very skilled pilot.
Speaker 4: You know what, I am a safe pilot and I'm
Speaker 4: a I'm a guy in the instrument pilot safety cult.
Speaker 4: And if you're a pilot right now flying a big
Speaker 4: iron aircraft with passengers in it, you have a deep
Speaker 4: sort of respect for the trust all those people put
Speaker 4: in you, and you rely on a system that the
Speaker 4: taxpayers pay for to help you stay safe in the
Speaker 4: air and to avoid those big metal tubes running into
Speaker 4: each other in the sky, which is a very bad outcome.
Speaker 4: And right now it's literally on the backs of individual
Speaker 4: pilots trying to talk to each other in the air
Speaker 4: because the air traffic control towers in this country, one
Speaker 4: after the other, are shutting down right now.
Speaker 1: Explain to us for why, Rick Wilson.
Speaker 4: We're in now day twenty nine, stuff like that of
Speaker 4: a shutdown when it's going to be when we air this,
Speaker 4: right it's let's call it a month. The air traffic
Speaker 4: controllers are not getting paychecks. Now you know who is
Speaker 4: getting paychecks. The masked thug guys jumping out of car's
Speaker 4: zip tying children, they're getting their full paycheck.
Speaker 1: People who couldn't necessarily make it into the army or
Speaker 1: the police.
Speaker 4: Well look, most of these people couldn't make it into
Speaker 4: being into the Paul Blart Rental cop Academy.
Speaker 1: Yes and all bar we would never do this.
Speaker 4: But long story short, right now we are shutting down
Speaker 4: the government because Donald Trump cannot have the two hundred
Speaker 4: and eighteenth person sworn in who would vote to release
Speaker 4: the Epstein files and because there is a faction inside
Speaker 4: the White House led by Russell Vatt who believes we
Speaker 4: need to punish those poor black shirkers by taking away
Speaker 4: their food. And when I tell you that, I mean
Speaker 4: that is literally what they are saying inside the White
Speaker 4: House to one another.
Speaker 1: And I do want to point out that, like just
Speaker 1: for two seconds, forty percent of the people on SNAP
Speaker 1: Supplemental Assistant Food Stamps, thirty nine percent of them are children. Yeah,
Speaker 1: forty three percent are white. They're not even black, They're white.
Speaker 1: They're in Red States and their children.
Speaker 4: But go off right, But do tell us more how
Speaker 4: they have to pull themselves up by their bootstraps at
Speaker 4: this point, we took a look around our local area
Speaker 4: and yesterday and when people realize that the that there
Speaker 4: was no SNAP benefits a local an excellent local food
Speaker 4: bank program here in Tallahassee that had six hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty people waiting in their cars overnight because there's no STEP.
Speaker 4: We had people with women and children sleeping in their
Speaker 4: effing cars.
Speaker 3: Molly yeah.
Speaker 1: Red state, Red state governed by the one of the
Speaker 1: kings of Trump is oh yeah.
Speaker 4: And Ron DeSantis has done nothing, nor have any nor
Speaker 4: to my knowledge, of any of the Red state governors
Speaker 4: done a goddamn thing to say to Donald Trump, Hey,
Speaker 4: our people are going to starve because of this, why
Speaker 4: don't you open the goddamn government.
Speaker 1: But I do think Sean Duffy, in charge of our airspace,
Speaker 1: former reality television host, what we're seeing again and again
Speaker 1: is like in the DoD we had a former weekend
Speaker 1: Fox News host Pete hag Sas.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he also has not really been able to rise
Speaker 1: to the job.
Speaker 4: No, And look, I think the reason we don't see
Speaker 4: them rising to the job is these people are subpar intellects,
Speaker 4: and they are are in the broadest poss works in
Speaker 4: the broadest possible sense of explaining it to people, they
Speaker 4: have no idea what the hef they're doing, And then
Speaker 4: that problem is not improving their ability to manage these complex,
Speaker 4: multivariate cases. Now, Pete Hegseth is very excited about going
Speaker 4: to war both with Venezuela and now Nigeria.
Speaker 1: Yes, Nigeria out of nowhere. What was the impetus of that.
Speaker 4: I do not really understand the let's go to war
Speaker 4: with Nigeria idea quite yet, but I will say this,
Speaker 4: I doubt we will be greeted as liberators.
Speaker 1: Well, we've had such success going into other countries and
Speaker 1: doing war with them for no reason, so why not
Speaker 1: why wouldn't this.
Speaker 4: Work out just as well?
Speaker 1: When you're asking, But yeah, I would love you to
Speaker 1: take a minute to talk about so we are pro
Speaker 1: bailouts for certain South American countries, but pro war for others.
Speaker 4: It is a magical It is a magical set of
Speaker 4: mysterious criteria that we use now because Argentina, which just
Speaker 4: to remind everybody, has a has A, has an emergency
Speaker 4: food program for the poor, has universal childcare, has universal
Speaker 4: health care, has universal education for pre k N and university.
Speaker 4: I'm just going to say, we're okay paying forty billion
Speaker 4: dollars to bail them out so that that Malay could
Speaker 4: win his election, But we're not okay unleashing the six
Speaker 4: billion dollars that is still in the government's bank account,
Speaker 4: that is the snap emergency fund for food aid to
Speaker 4: the poor. It is a very it is a very
Speaker 4: tempting thing to say that this is just Trump, you know,
Speaker 4: doing Epstein. But there is also an element of this
Speaker 4: we have to think about and talk about that is
Speaker 4: the deliberate theater of cruelty where Trump is canceling Thanksgiving
Speaker 4: for millions of Americans.
Speaker 1: Trump is doing cruelty. But Trump is also doing authoritarianism, right, Like,
Speaker 1: there's a one hundred percent that he loves those people,
Speaker 1: and it's because they provide a roadmap, you know, Putin.
Speaker 4: Or Bond, absolutely absolutely correct. They're his peer group, they're
Speaker 4: his pals. They're the people that he says, man, I
Speaker 4: want America to look a lot more like those guys.
Speaker 4: For all that we can bitch and moan about Donald
Speaker 4: Trump being an incompetent in all this, he has a
Speaker 4: tremendously skilled instinct for the authoritarian theater that the MAGA
Speaker 4: base really likes.
Speaker 1: Correct, And that's how he I mean, that's when you
Speaker 1: look at that split screen. Okay, Saturday night, great gats
Speaker 1: feed party, celebration of wealth. You know what the do
Speaker 1: you know how much it costs to join mar A Lago.
Speaker 4: Now it's like a million dollars now, right.
Speaker 1: It's a million dollar initiation fee. It used to be,
Speaker 1: and that like these golf clubs have high initiations. A
Speaker 1: million dollars on president.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, he he is getting a million dollars for
Speaker 4: memberships at mar a lago. Let's all remember the reason
Speaker 4: of this, because he is the singularly most corrupt president
Speaker 4: in the history of the United States of America. There
Speaker 4: is nobody even close to this. And while he's off
Speaker 4: doing this this whole like Great Gatsby deal, It's not
Speaker 4: just that Snap has been canceled. It's that the government
Speaker 4: is closed. It's that the economy is tetering around the age.
Speaker 4: Let's not forget, folks. And it was it was a
Speaker 4: it was a classic let's do it Friday night news dump.
Speaker 4: The Federal Reserve dumped a whole ship ton of equity
Speaker 4: into the markets Friday night, on Halloween night and after hours.
Speaker 1: And also Scott Bessett was shopping. I think this is
Speaker 1: like my favorite headline of the Sunday Shows. If the
Speaker 1: Fed doesn't cut raids, we may have a recession. Oh no, baby,
Speaker 1: that's not why we're gonna have.
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, no, We're having a resent because
Speaker 4: of y'all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's like, if only the Fed will cut
Speaker 1: interest rates, It's like, I don't know who twisted him
Speaker 1: up into that, but it was like, yes, it was.
Speaker 4: It was a thing of beauty. Though, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: that that is a guy who's whose contortions. He's like
Speaker 4: a He's like an Eastern European gymnast at the Olympics
Speaker 4: in the seventies. He knows if he doesn't like do
Speaker 4: the triple backflip and stick the landing, his family allens
Speaker 4: to go work on the on the collective labor potato
Speaker 4: farm or whatever.
Speaker 1: But what you realize when you look at Scott Besson,
Speaker 1: who was I was told he was going to be
Speaker 1: the moderating voice.
Speaker 4: I was told Scott Bessant was a grown up, a.
Speaker 1: Smart guy who made with George Soros.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know why don't be afraid of Scott Besson.
Speaker 4: He knows how to talk to Wolf Street and knows
Speaker 4: exactly what the country's economy needs is So who.
Speaker 1: Is a bigger coward and disappointment Marco Man of all
Speaker 1: jobs or Scott Besson just terrible at what he does
Speaker 1: but also very snobby Marco.
Speaker 4: In my mind, just because I know the guy is
Speaker 4: a worse disappointment because he had before the Trump era,
Speaker 4: at least to every single person who knew him from
Speaker 4: either intimately knew him or slightly knew him, this great
Speaker 4: hatred of authoritarianism yes, it was a defining characteristic. It
Speaker 4: was the defining characteristic of what Marco was. And now
Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, you know, I'm just gonna let the
Speaker 4: boss and I are going to go and shoot up
Speaker 4: a bunch of boats and uh and then invading Venezuela
Speaker 4: and Nigeria because why not.
Speaker 1: They might be drug boats?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, they might be drug boats or or
Speaker 4: it could just be you know, are they you know,
Speaker 4: much like the sort of truthiness thing that Stephen Colbert
Speaker 4: always talks about. They could be drug boat.
Speaker 1: Ish, their drug boat adjacent their boats with people in them.
Speaker 4: And sometimes people Bolts have taken drugs in their lives,
Speaker 4: and therefore we really have to take.
Speaker 1: Steps, we have to take steps. So it is, it
Speaker 1: is the truthiest of truth isms. I want to get
Speaker 1: back for another minute to just like the sheer insanity
Speaker 1: of this moment, because it does feel very much like
Speaker 1: a moment teetering on the edge, like the food stamps,
Speaker 1: the government funding, the government paycheck, you know, Chicago having
Speaker 1: ice in these fancy neighborhoods, fighting with the moms and
Speaker 1: dads during the Halloween poole.
Speaker 4: Well, let me tell you that that is an absolute
Speaker 4: provocation on their part. And I get why Trump is
Speaker 4: sending them in there and mill are sending them in
Speaker 4: there because they're trying to send a message to elite
Speaker 4: opinion types that they will exercise their alleged authority no
Speaker 4: matter what they want.
Speaker 1: Right, So say more about that, because I think that's
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. So the idea here is they're going into
Speaker 1: fancy white neighborhoods to show fancy white people that they
Speaker 1: are the bosses, and that they are that crime. They
Speaker 1: mean you and your kids doing Halloween.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and and this is this is one more
Speaker 4: notch I think, with Bovino, who like shows up in
Speaker 4: his Hugo boss flowing Nazi style trench coats and and
Speaker 4: and all his cosplay body armor and all this other bullshit,
Speaker 4: and Miller and Nome having to actually admit something. They
Speaker 4: were not able of the whatever the X is of
Speaker 4: of of folks who are not here with documentation, right,
Speaker 4: they were not able to find fifty percent who were criminals. No,
Speaker 4: because because there weren't anything like those numbers, and and
Speaker 4: and Joe Biden and Barack Obama and before them, George W.
Speaker 4: Bush were finding those criminals, the criminal legals and say
Speaker 4: them the fuck back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 4: So this idea that they were going to round up
Speaker 4: like twenty five million illegal criminals, they're all in MS thirteen.
Speaker 4: It was always bullshit. It was always a lie. And
Speaker 4: they can't find them because they ain't out there. So
Speaker 4: now they've got to get you know, jose the gardener,
Speaker 4: or a guy who's a roofer, or a woman who's
Speaker 4: a home healthcare nurse and pull them out of their
Speaker 4: car in front of their kids and beat them in
Speaker 4: front of their children. Right to do this show, and
Speaker 4: this show is all that matters to the media content
Speaker 4: machine of MAGA.
Speaker 1: Right, So when you look at those numbers, and I
Speaker 1: saw a reporting this week that showed the numbers were like,
Speaker 1: you know, and again I don't want to say poetry,
Speaker 1: because these are human beings being shipped on planes to
Speaker 1: places who the fuck knows.
Speaker 4: Foreign death camps, yeah right, yeah, foreign fourg gulags. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But they're small numbers considering like Obama numbers, And so
Speaker 1: I wonder, like Molly, we.
Speaker 4: Were told, we were told this was the absolute existential
Speaker 4: crisis for this country and if we didn't get these
Speaker 4: people out right now the world was going to fall
Speaker 4: apart and millions of Americans would die of fentanyl.
Speaker 1: And I was told that Stephen Miller was pulling out
Speaker 1: all the stops. So now does that mean he's no
Speaker 1: longer pulling out the stops?
Speaker 4: This is why they're still doing the bullshit of dragging
Speaker 4: American citizens out of their cars and out of their
Speaker 4: homes and raiding neighborhoods during a Halloween parade. And by
Speaker 4: the way, they really screwed up last week they raided
Speaker 4: a festival out in Montana, a fall festival thing. All
Speaker 4: of the ICE agents in the country that are operating
Speaker 4: under a very very narrow provision where the emergency is
Speaker 4: only legal within one hundred miles of the US border. Okay,
Speaker 4: So that's why even in Chicago, all over Texas, Arizona,
Speaker 4: and New Mexico, they've got this big area they can
Speaker 4: they can claim as the US border. Right, this thing
Speaker 4: was five hundred miles from any United States border. They
Speaker 4: done fed up. So yeah, and look, and I will
Speaker 4: say this, you know, I'm always like, we're only as
Speaker 4: good as our next legal ruling. But we are seeing
Speaker 4: right now more and more judges saying, wait a minute, no, sir,
Speaker 4: I mean Bavino. Bavino, who more people should know about.
Speaker 1: Explain to us the list and our listeners who Bavino.
Speaker 4: Is, if you're, if you're, if you're a World War
Speaker 4: two historic history official. He's the Gauleiter of Ice. He's
Speaker 4: the military governor of these provinces. They send him in
Speaker 4: to Chicago, and he ignores the civilian law enforcement, ignores
Speaker 4: the civilian political leadership, and says, here's how we're going
Speaker 4: to do it, and if you don't, I'll arrest you
Speaker 4: and I'll send you off to a camp. This guy
Speaker 4: is about four foot eleven as one is, but he
Speaker 4: wears fancy flowing Hugo boss style not see greatcoats. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and he never shows up anywhere unless he's wearing body
Speaker 4: armor and his like tactical timmy bullshit mall cop outfits.
Speaker 4: And he is widely known as a guy who really
Speaker 4: likes to brutalize people. He is a fucking thug.
Speaker 1: We're kind of back to ma Mall cops again.
Speaker 4: We really are, but we're also we're also at Nuremberg
Speaker 4: cops because he's like, I'm just following my orders from
Speaker 4: a civilian leadership. This last week we literally had Tom
Speaker 4: Homan saying, yeah, we got to cool off on some
Speaker 4: of these tactics.
Speaker 1: Tom Holman, you'll remember Tom Holman. I'm like, well, he
Speaker 1: lives in my heart for when he took that fifty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars of cash in a kava bag, in a
Speaker 1: kava bag and just kiss baby refused to deny it.
Speaker 1: And then when asked about it, was that Pam Bondi
Speaker 1: who said, I'm sure he's taken fifty thousand.
Speaker 4: Dollars, but I'm sure all of you take him fifty
Speaker 4: thousand dollars. He kind of says something, I've never taken
Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars in a bag.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's early days, Rick Wilson, early days, you know. Especially,
Speaker 1: and by the way, the sheer elegance of having it
Speaker 1: in a kava bag.
Speaker 4: Yeah, gorgeous, man, it's gorgeous. It is a work of
Speaker 4: It is a scientific work of beauty to put it
Speaker 4: in a kava bag.
Speaker 1: We would be laughing if we were not, if.
Speaker 4: We were not living in the most corrupt administration in
Speaker 4: the history of the United States government.
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Speaker 1: Irene Carmone is a senior correspondent in New York Magazine
Speaker 1: and the author of Unbearable, Five Women and the Perils
Speaker 1: of Pregnancy in America. Welcome too Fast, Politics, arenn.
Speaker 5: I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you because you are a
Speaker 1: great journalist, and you write about the stuff you know,
Speaker 1: in a world that was last sexist and misogynistic, like
Speaker 1: the stuff that is so important would be on the
Speaker 1: front page of every newspaper.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I know it's important to us, and
Speaker 6: I know that there are people out there who care
Speaker 6: about it.
Speaker 5: So I just to keep doing the work that we do.
Speaker 1: By the way, I have kids, but my kids are old.
Speaker 1: And you wake up one day you are eight months pregnant,
Speaker 1: and the Supreme Court overturned Roby Wade. That's the start
Speaker 1: of this book.
Speaker 6: Yes, Well, the funny thing is part of the start
Speaker 6: of this book is I have been for fifteen years
Speaker 6: covering the fight of a reproduction in America and the
Speaker 6: ways in which America manages to treat us like a vessel.
Speaker 6: And four days after Alito's statement of contempt for American
Speaker 6: women becomes official, right, So we read the leak, then
Speaker 6: we see the official opinion and immediately because there was
Speaker 6: still a chance that it would change. And I was
Speaker 6: at your friend and mine's Rebecca Tracter's kitchen table in
Speaker 6: Maine when it finally came out officially. And a few
Speaker 6: days later I went for ultrasound because I was, I
Speaker 6: think thirty three weeks pregnant. I was excited to be pregnant,
Speaker 6: but I still had this feeling of the extra indignity
Speaker 6: of it, because you know, even when you're excited to
Speaker 6: be pregnant, your very bones are kind of creaking and shaking,
Speaker 6: and your organs are being smushed, and every normal interaction
Speaker 6: with the world is somehow shaped by someone else's opinion
Speaker 6: of your pregnancy. And so I go in for this
Speaker 6: ultrasound and we're really excited because suddenly we can see
Speaker 6: the fetus's face and the ultrasound Texas and I say
Speaker 6: it to my husband, she's starting to look more like
Speaker 6: a person, and the ultrasound text says, to the image
Speaker 6: of the fetus, you were a person from day one,
Speaker 6: like a doler And I'm like, I'm in Manhattan and
Speaker 6: I'm just like.
Speaker 5: Can you read the room please?
Speaker 6: All over the country people are being forced to say
Speaker 6: pregnant against their will. We are about to see people
Speaker 6: at this point, this is twenty twenty two, bleeding out
Speaker 6: in parking lots, waiting to go septic, to receive miscarriage care.
Speaker 6: People forced to take matters into their own hands, to
Speaker 6: have abortions, like can you give me the right to
Speaker 6: define my own pregnancy? When half the country right now
Speaker 6: is under this regime. So even in New York City.
Speaker 6: This is part of the animating principle of writing the
Speaker 6: book Unbearable is to draw connections between these different experiences
Speaker 6: of pregnancy, and what they have in common is contempt
Speaker 6: for the person who's pregnant.
Speaker 1: So my kids are in their late teens, early twenties,
Speaker 1: and so I was pregnant twenty little last years ago.
Speaker 1: And like one of the things that I was struck
Speaker 1: by during that experience, like and I have an obgyn
Speaker 1: who I adore and who is my friend and who
Speaker 1: is very liberal, and you know, there were certain things
Speaker 1: that happened where I was like, huh, I had this
Speaker 1: rare Jewish genetic disease, and they were like, this baby
Speaker 1: may die, you may have to have an abortion. And
Speaker 1: my gynecologist, who I love, was like, I don't do
Speaker 1: second trimester, so we're going to have to get you
Speaker 1: to someone who does. And I was like, and I
Speaker 1: mean that kind of stuff. You know. Ultimately he was fine,
Speaker 1: but that kind of stuff is like real, and you
Speaker 1: know I wrote about him, people were like, Oh, she
Speaker 1: just wants to abort babies that don't look the way
Speaker 1: she wants them to. And I was like, yeah, he
Speaker 1: was gonna die. Ultimately, as soon as you get pregnant
Speaker 1: in this country, it's almost as if your body no
Speaker 1: longer belongs to yourself, which is what you said before.
Speaker 6: It is absolutely the case, and I think your experience
Speaker 6: also shows something that I write about in the book
Speaker 6: is that abortion care being separated out, at least not
Speaker 6: in people's lives, but in medicine and law and the
Speaker 6: way that they're structured, has actually impoverished all of medical care.
Speaker 6: So the fact is, if you had needed or decided
Speaker 6: to have an abortion, you know, why couldn't you get
Speaker 6: it from your same doctor? Well, okay, maybe later on
Speaker 6: it's a more specialized procedure, but even a very simple
Speaker 6: early abortion, which is the same as having an iud
Speaker 6: or taking a pill has been again, even in New York,
Speaker 6: separated out because of politics and fear and STI and
Speaker 6: I think any given person's experience of pregnancy in life
Speaker 6: is so much more complicated, so much messier, and at
Speaker 6: different points in your life you might need different things.
Speaker 6: But medicine says, no, there's the good mother, there's the
Speaker 6: bad mother. There's the one who needs the abortion and
Speaker 6: has to walk into the clinic where people are screaming
Speaker 6: at her or do something that might put them in
Speaker 6: trouble with the law, versus the perfect mother who would
Speaker 6: never abort.
Speaker 5: And so part of the argument of my.
Speaker 6: Book is, in fact, this is all of us as
Speaker 6: different parts of our lives, and we think it would
Speaker 6: never happen to us, or we'll never need that kind
Speaker 6: of care, we would never be policed in this particular
Speaker 6: kind of way. But the way America treats you when
Speaker 6: you're pregnant, it can totally happen to any of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so much value judgment and women's health decisions period.
Speaker 1: Paragraph abortion not abortion right. But the thing that I
Speaker 1: think is a sort of one of the things we
Speaker 1: saw in the Harris campaign try to do was say, like,
Speaker 1: this is not about aborting, this is about having a
Speaker 1: healthy pregnancy. Talk us through how it affects that.
Speaker 6: I think Dobbs accelerated something that was already happening, because
Speaker 6: we already have the highest maternal mortality rate among any
Speaker 6: comparable wealthy country in the world. No matter how you
Speaker 6: crunch the numbers, pregnancy related debts in the United States
Speaker 6: outpace all of our pure nations, and we tolerate that somehow,
Speaker 6: like we tolerate also a complete lack of support when
Speaker 6: somebody gives birth what happens after that. Up until very recently,
Speaker 6: you'd get thrown off your insurance in a couple of
Speaker 6: weeks in many states. I think that to invest in
Speaker 6: a healthy pregnancy, you would have to believe that the
Speaker 6: people who get pregnant, mostly women, matter, And so I
Speaker 6: think it's connected to the abortion battle or war, because
Speaker 6: it has to do with the same lack of respect
Speaker 6: and regard for those of us who can become pregnant. So,
Speaker 6: whether we want to carry to term, which the women
Speaker 6: in my book, several of them do carry to term
Speaker 6: and then find themselves treated horrifically when they give birth,
Speaker 6: or whether we don't want to be pregnant. It would
Speaker 6: a true investment in maternal health, which Kamala Harrison was
Speaker 6: talking about with a reproductive justice informed lens. If we're
Speaker 6: truly respected people who can become pregnant in America, we
Speaker 6: would invest resources and we would also listen to them
Speaker 6: about what it is if they need or we need
Speaker 6: and want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we don't do that. In fact, we do
Speaker 1: the opposite. So talk me through what this looks like
Speaker 1: in America post DOBS.
Speaker 6: Immediately, we were told, after the abortion bands that were
Speaker 6: empowered by DOBS went into effect, that this would only
Speaker 6: affect abortion.
Speaker 5: And mind you, the law that.
Speaker 6: This report was asked to hear was a fifteen week
Speaker 6: abortion band. So in the beginning it was, oh, this
Speaker 6: will only affect later abortions, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: it's in many states all abortions or from six weeks on.
Speaker 6: It did not only affect abortions, as we well know,
Speaker 6: women seeking miscarriage care were immediately affected, women having stillbirths,
Speaker 6: women whose behavior during pregnancy did not meet what the
Speaker 6: law or medicine thought that they should do. Immediately, you know,
Speaker 6: we were told that women wouldn't be criminalized for miscarriage.
Speaker 6: We have seen that happen in multiple states. We've seen arrests.
Speaker 5: One of the women that I write.
Speaker 6: About her experience actually took place a little bit before Dobbs.
Speaker 6: This is a woman, Haley Burns in Edowa County, Alabama.
Speaker 6: Even before the Supreme Court allowed states to ban abortion,
Speaker 6: Edowa County was the nation's capital of criminalizing pregnant women
Speaker 6: by locking them up for positive drug tests. And even
Speaker 6: if you were pulled over for speeding and they found
Speaker 6: let's say this is a case of the rule, when
Speaker 6: they found marijuana in her car, they would take her
Speaker 6: into jail. They were pregnancy tester, and they would drug
Speaker 6: test her. And if you were pregnant and you were
Speaker 6: positive for any kind of substance use, you would then
Speaker 6: beat charged with chemical endangerment of a fetus of a child.
Speaker 6: And so in the case of the woman I write about, Haley,
Speaker 6: she was arrested six days postpartum in her son's hospital room.
Speaker 6: The way that this is playing out is the same
Speaker 6: logic a fetal personhood, the same logic of policing women's bodies.
Speaker 6: If she had had an abortion in Alabama, they could
Speaker 6: not have locked her up. She actually did what they
Speaker 6: said she was supposed to be doing. She had her
Speaker 6: baby now because she had an opioid addiction problem. Instead
Speaker 6: of offering her support and services, they lock up a
Speaker 6: six day postpartum woman in jail for two months, and
Speaker 6: she still doesn't have custody of her children, even though
Speaker 6: she's been cleaned for years. None of that would have
Speaker 6: happened if she hadn't gotten pregnant. And so one thing
Speaker 6: I really want to do with this FOC is to
Speaker 6: draw these connections between these seemingly desperate experiences of pregnancy
Speaker 6: and show how Dobs made them much worse, but did
Speaker 6: not invent them, because this is something that goes back
Speaker 6: to our country's most profound idea and history of how
Speaker 6: we feel about women and people who can become pregnant.
Speaker 1: So one of the things that I think is really
Speaker 1: important about this story is when a pregnant woman or
Speaker 1: postpartum woman is arrested, they then have less of a
Speaker 1: claim on their own children. Talk us through that absolutely.
Speaker 6: I mean, like I said, if she had had an
Speaker 6: abortion when it was still legal in Alabama, which she
Speaker 6: considered doing and then ultimately felt like it was against
Speaker 6: her religious views, the state of Alabama, you know, could
Speaker 6: not have had a claim on her, but because she
Speaker 6: was pregnant and charage a term and they drug tested
Speaker 6: her while she was pregnant, the medical providers called the
Speaker 6: cops on her, and they called social services and all.
Speaker 6: This is an extremely common story even here at New
Speaker 6: York City. Women have lost custody of their children that
Speaker 6: marijuana use when it is legal. It's another way in
Speaker 6: which the state undermines the rights of women when even
Speaker 6: if there is no medical harm, even if somebody has
Speaker 6: shown that they are have received treatment, that they're clean.
Speaker 6: In her case, as I mentioned, she's been clean for
Speaker 6: two years and she still only has visitation with her kids.
Speaker 6: She's got a job, she's put her life together, she
Speaker 6: served her time. The punishment for being a quote unquote
Speaker 6: bad mother can be lifelong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want you to talk to us about the
Speaker 1: ways in which these laws have helped abusers. In case
Speaker 1: you thought this wasn't completely about misogyny. I think these
Speaker 1: bits really show what's going on. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I've reported on some of the
Speaker 6: cases that have come up in the post stops era
Speaker 6: where they're trying to bring civil cases and Texas in particular,
Speaker 6: the law is really set.
Speaker 5: Up for this.
Speaker 1: They really hate women in Texas. I feel like the
Speaker 1: state legislature like in Texas, they're like, you may hate
Speaker 1: women in Alabama, but we really hate them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Texas has been willing to experiment with innovated the
Speaker 6: bounty hunter law, even or roby Wood was a return
Speaker 6: the Spome court let them do it. And so in
Speaker 6: that vein of allowing people to bring civil claims against
Speaker 6: abortion providers, we've seen you know, as you know, the
Speaker 6: reason that we don't have women lying bloody in the
Speaker 6: street with coat hangers is because of the Revolution and
Speaker 6: abortion pills. People are accessing abortion through courageous shield providers
Speaker 6: who are setting their bills across state lines. The one
Speaker 6: way in which this has gone wrong so far is
Speaker 6: by abusive boyfriends finding out about this. You know, there
Speaker 6: was a really high profile lawsuit in Texas in which
Speaker 6: a man sued the friends of his wife for helping
Speaker 6: her access and abortion, and it later came out that
Speaker 6: he was threatening her. He was threatening to expose her.
Speaker 6: He was saying that if she didn't continue having sex
Speaker 6: with him and doing his laundry, he would publicize the
Speaker 6: fact that she had an abortion in that case, he
Speaker 6: later withdrew his claim. This was brought by a so
Speaker 6: called Christian right lawyer, Jonathan Mitchell, who's the father of
Speaker 6: many lawsuits.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy sucks. In case you're wondering that guy socks. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Look, anyone can engage in reproductive coercion, but I think
Speaker 6: the moment that you make this exercise of an individual
Speaker 6: person's will something that they can be locked up for
Speaker 6: and lose their rights and lose their rights to their children,
Speaker 6: the state becomes one of the abusers alongside the abusive partner.
Speaker 1: This is not about children, right, we know this is
Speaker 1: not about children. This is not about preventing abortion. It's
Speaker 1: about power and control. So talk us through the ways
Speaker 1: in which you feel like the show us that thesis.
Speaker 6: Well, so let's go back to that Chaill in Alabama.
Speaker 6: The woman that I wrote about, Haley, she gets a
Speaker 6: rest a six days postpartum. She immediately ends up in
Speaker 6: a bunk where all of the other women are pregnant.
Speaker 5: Wow, they have locked up so many.
Speaker 6: Women in Atawa County, Alabama through this logic of chemical endangerment,
Speaker 6: which is to say, if you test positive for drugs
Speaker 6: when you're pregnant, you will be charged with child abuse
Speaker 6: against your own feedents. There are so many of them
Speaker 6: that they can all be roommates at the same time.
Speaker 6: And at that point they had aarticular kind of like
Speaker 6: even if you had ten thousand dollars cash bail, which
Speaker 6: was not imposed on other non violent offenders, you also
Speaker 6: had to get a spot in rehab at the same time.
Speaker 6: So they had this catch twenty two where these women were,
Speaker 6: you know, trapped, this Kafka esque situation where pregnant women
Speaker 6: are trapped in the hospital.
Speaker 1: Poor pregnant women because nobody who's upper middle class they're
Speaker 1: paying that ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 6: True, in Ediwack County, they are poor, but Alabama has
Speaker 6: also prosecuted upper middle class women for using prescription drugs
Speaker 6: during their pregnancy, So.
Speaker 1: It's very egalitarian of them.
Speaker 5: Were trying to show how walk they were.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they actually did change the law to say that
Speaker 6: if it was a prescription drug only after they prosecuted
Speaker 6: upper middle class women.
Speaker 5: But I think nobody is safe here.
Speaker 6: That said, Edwick County is a poor, rural county, predominantly
Speaker 6: white and working class, not a lot of jobs. There's
Speaker 6: a lot of people who aren't dealing with substance dependencies.
Speaker 6: And if it were really about babies, would you lock
Speaker 6: up a pregnant woman and not give her access to
Speaker 6: prenatal care?
Speaker 1: Oh, they don't provide pre they.
Speaker 5: Don't provide even access to pads.
Speaker 6: In the course of the reporting that I did on
Speaker 6: this jail, there's a case that was brought against the
Speaker 6: State of Alabama for one of their jails. A woman
Speaker 6: had a premature birth and she was asking for medical
Speaker 6: care and they would not transfer to the hospital. When
Speaker 6: she finally, belatedly was transferred to a hospital, she had
Speaker 6: a still birth. Who can say that incarcerating women are
Speaker 6: making them afraid to seek prenatal care because they're worried
Speaker 6: that the hospital or the doctor's office will call the cops.
Speaker 5: Can be good for babies.
Speaker 6: If it were good for babies, we wouldn't have outcomes
Speaker 6: like a woman having a totally preventable still birth. That story,
Speaker 6: of the five women's stories that I tell, they're all
Speaker 6: really difficult. That is a really difficult one that I
Speaker 6: think really illustrates that if this was about babies, we
Speaker 6: wouldn't be locking up their mothers. It's not good for anybody.
Speaker 6: The other thing that I write about is doctor Yoshika Robinson,
Speaker 6: a former abortion provider in Alabama who was providing abortions
Speaker 6: till the day was overturned. No longer able to do that,
Speaker 6: wants to still be there for her patients, and so
Speaker 6: she proposes turning the shuttered abortion clinic into a birth center,
Speaker 6: because that's not an option that exists in there part
Speaker 6: of Alabama. You have a low risk pregnancy and you
Speaker 6: want to get birth with midwives, that that can be
Speaker 6: an option for you. What does the state do. They
Speaker 6: pass laws that look just like the restrictions they pass
Speaker 6: on abortion. They make it almost impossible because they don't
Speaker 6: want to compete with the doctors. We're talking about a
Speaker 6: state that has one of the highest rates of maternal
Speaker 6: mortality in the country, and so she actually has to
Speaker 6: go to court just to offer women safe birth care. Again,
Speaker 6: if this were about babies, if this was about women's health,
Speaker 6: none of this would be happening.
Speaker 1: Correct, What unbelievable fucker?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: I mean just infuriating. Tell me what the thing that
Speaker 1: when you were reporting this book where you were like,
Speaker 1: how like the thing that just got you the most
Speaker 1: upset or that you feel is the thing we need
Speaker 1: to know.
Speaker 6: I think it's really important to know that even in
Speaker 6: blue states, pregnancy is not supported and could be safer.
Speaker 6: Here in New York City, black women are much likelier
Speaker 6: to die giving birth than white women, and our race
Speaker 6: shit is worse than Alabama.
Speaker 5: And so I actually.
Speaker 1: Write about two women.
Speaker 6: Yes, at the time that I was writing about in
Speaker 6: the book, the last couple of years, a black woman
Speaker 6: was eight times more likely to die of childbirth related
Speaker 6: issues here in New York City. The ragio in Alabama
Speaker 6: is four. So New York City is doing worse than
Speaker 6: Alabama when it comes to protecting Black women who give birth.
Speaker 6: And I write about two such women who went to
Speaker 6: the same hospital. Both had really shitty experiences, one white,
Speaker 6: one black.
Speaker 5: The white woman.
Speaker 6: Barely survived but lived to raise her children. The black woman.
Speaker 6: Her husband has become a maternal health activist. His name
Speaker 6: is Jose Perezi, actually just became a doula. I discovered
Speaker 6: the worst of my reporter that they had had the
Speaker 6: same doctor shortly after Christine Feels the second woman died.
Speaker 6: And so the moment in which I felt like I
Speaker 6: was going to throw up was when I discovered this revelation,
Speaker 6: which is in the book of how it could be
Speaker 6: that two women were so intertwined and both of them suffered,
Speaker 6: but only one of them lived. And it's a testament
Speaker 6: to the profound inequalities of this country. Even here in
Speaker 6: New York.
Speaker 1: City does a doctor still practice.
Speaker 6: No, but he was still practicing for quite a while
Speaker 6: afterwards until it was exposed.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Oren.
Speaker 5: I'm so glad to be here. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4: No, Rick Wilson may drug fast.
Speaker 1: I have a moment of fockery that I get these
Speaker 1: MSNBC transcripts that emailed to me if there's like a
Speaker 1: big interview, and I read this and I was like no.
Speaker 1: And then I was like this cannot be. And then
Speaker 1: I saw a Koppaman and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: So the Weekend Morning Shows has Eugene Daniels, Jonathan K.
Speaker 1: Park and Jackie alamany three people, all different people, Okay,
Speaker 1: none of whom are the same person. No, No, they
Speaker 1: are not asked a question about diversity. Cuomo has this
Speaker 1: insane answer about how sometimes diversity can be bad. Already
Speaker 1: perhaps a bizarre like sometimes diversity can be bad, and
Speaker 1: then he goes, well, Jonason.
Speaker 4: They all look the same. Tomorrow at the Cloma.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, man, come on, and that, my friends,
Speaker 1: is not how you do it.
Speaker 4: No, listen. I mean this because I love New York
Speaker 4: City passionately. It is a city with people from one
Speaker 4: hundred and seventy seven countries or whatever the number is,
Speaker 4: who speak hundreds of languages, who have every possible background
Speaker 4: in the world, and they have come to that city
Speaker 4: for hundreds of years now because it is unique in
Speaker 4: the universe. And if you're going to be mayor of
Speaker 4: the city, you are not going to be talking to
Speaker 4: a bunch of white bros from the Upper East Side.
Speaker 4: So you might want to respect people a little bit
Speaker 4: and pay a little bit of fucking attention if you
Speaker 4: want to be the mayor of New York City.
Speaker 1: I just think that the lesson here is that if
Speaker 1: you're going to run someone for elected office, they have
Speaker 1: to actually want to have the elected office.
Speaker 4: Well there is that.
Speaker 1: It's and this is the lesson to the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: Just because your guy is famous, if he does not
Speaker 1: want the job, voters will know well.
Speaker 4: And I think I think you saw over the weekend
Speaker 4: there was a big push in the right wing ecosystem
Speaker 4: to say, oh, the race is tightening, Quomo's coming up fast,
Speaker 4: even Sliwa has a chance. No, none of that is real. None,
Speaker 4: that's real.
Speaker 1: No, it's not, none of it. None of it. By
Speaker 1: the way, if you have a moment, watch the Saturday
Speaker 1: at Live.
Speaker 4: Oh it was. We watched it this morning and it
Speaker 4: was just like picture perfect on all three of them,
Speaker 4: including them Dami. By the way, it was very That
Speaker 4: was good comedy.
Speaker 1: It was really like the best description of our mayor's
Speaker 1: race that I've seen, and it just nailed it. And
Speaker 1: I have so much respect for all parties involved.
Speaker 4: The best part of it was I think they constantly
Speaker 4: what it's like. You know, I'm the only one here
Speaker 4: who's been dangled by my genitals off the Verizonta bridge.
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