Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where you don't want to be
Speaker 1: the favorite. It's Week two. You thought you had it made,
Speaker 1: your team was given a touchdown away you probably lost.
Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal in the Chris Westling podcast studio alongside
Speaker 1: Patrick Claybahn Nick Schook, reporting live from Cleveland, Ohio. You
Speaker 1: know a team that also was an underdog and one
Speaker 1: on Sunday, but they weren't the big stories. Patrick goes, like,
Speaker 1: every team that we thought was probably gonna win in
Speaker 1: the early window didn't win. It's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, a beautiful thing, unless, of course you you
Speaker 2: passionately cheer and care about the outcomes for one of
Speaker 2: those teams. But almost Celtic coming at least the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 1: You did. All right, let's not even waste any more time, Sorry, Nick,
Speaker 1: We're just gonna get right to it, because let's be real.
Speaker 1: You know, you look at all the games that are
Speaker 1: on the schedule. You got Tony Romo and Jim Nanton,
Speaker 1: It's Bengals Chiefs and you know whendn't you know? It
Speaker 1: comes down to a late field goal and a call
Speaker 1: at the end of the game, and you think, well
Speaker 1: of course, you just got to start the show that way.
Speaker 1: That's just how they got here.
Speaker 3: Not here.
Speaker 1: I don't want him because to me, this week was
Speaker 1: more about those big underdogs early, the Raiders, the Bucks,
Speaker 1: the Vikings, the Saints, who all get that, so we
Speaker 1: don't have to do the Chiefs and the Bengals. First,
Speaker 1: Let's start in Baltimore where the Raiders got it.
Speaker 4: Done twenty six twenty three, Vegas on top and a
Speaker 4: ten point fourth quarter comeback.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 3: Just let Max Rosey play the joker.
Speaker 4: He's not rushing, he's just watching Jackson. There's the snat
Speaker 4: pressure from Wilkins up. Jackson takes off up the middle.
Speaker 4: He has the fifty and the forty still on his
Speaker 4: feet at the thirty. He laterals it back to Justice
Speaker 4: Hill on near sideline at the thirty, keeps the play alive.
Speaker 1: He toumps, it looks like it was foward. Here's the flag,
Speaker 1: it's still loose. Raiders beat it down, they're about to.
Speaker 4: Fall on top of it, and this ballgame is over.
Speaker 1: The Raiders come to Baltimore.
Speaker 4: And they beat the Ravens twenty six twenty three in
Speaker 4: a massive effort.
Speaker 1: Here on the road, I can't believe it, Patrick Clayban.
Speaker 1: It was twenty three to thirteen, ten point Ravens win.
Speaker 1: After Derrick Henry scored a touchdown in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: The Raiders have three more scoring drives after that. What
Speaker 1: happened to your team? We can just go public with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think most people are are aware.
Speaker 2: The last time I sat in this chair, the very
Speaker 2: few moments before we left, I said, ah, that's the
Speaker 2: problem with this Raiders matchup, Gardner Minsh, you beat them
Speaker 2: let last year, and Greg's shokey looks at me and says, oh,
Speaker 2: that's some fan stuff.
Speaker 1: Well that was not worried about Gardner Minshew in this spot,
Speaker 1: but you were right, okay.
Speaker 2: So with four h three to go in the game,
Speaker 2: there was a third and goal from the seventeen yard line,
Speaker 2: Minshew looks for DeVante Adams, Brandon Stevens gets called for
Speaker 2: pass interfere that the Raiders would score. After that, they
Speaker 2: would get a stop and then they would ultimately get
Speaker 2: Daniel Carson Carlson out there to kick what would have
Speaker 2: been a game winning field goal.
Speaker 3: There was the final play. You go back, you watch it.
Speaker 2: I know people looking at the broadcast were saying, well,
Speaker 2: if Lamar fakes a pitch there and keeps the ball,
Speaker 2: he scores a touchdown.
Speaker 3: There were three Raiders on top of him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but really, if he wheeled again and again, this
Speaker 2: would have been a three to sixty no scope like,
Speaker 2: no look being able to see the entire field at once.
Speaker 2: But say Flowers is standing on the opposite sideline all
Speaker 2: by himself. He's got like forty yards of space. But
Speaker 2: that's neither here nor there. They couldn't get the stops
Speaker 2: down the stretch. They were three of eleven on third down.
Speaker 2: The Raiders were four of twelve. But you try to
Speaker 2: find a spot. The pass protection got better this week
Speaker 2: Lamar was under pressure. His passing numbers were actually better
Speaker 2: under pressure this week against the Raiders, but ultimately they
Speaker 2: couldn't get those late first downs. After Derek Henry gets
Speaker 2: over seventy nine yards, he gets that touchdown. They really
Speaker 2: couldn't move the Raiders defensive line at all. Christian Wilkins
Speaker 2: played a solid game. Max Crosby is Max Crosby and
Speaker 2: and Shook. That's that's just what happens. You can't you
Speaker 2: can't close the game out late. You want you get
Speaker 2: Dereck Henry because you want to have a four minute drill,
Speaker 2: you want to be able to ice games.
Speaker 3: They didn't do it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's where the Raiders invested in the
Speaker 6: offseason by getting guys like Wilkins and paying Max Crosby
Speaker 6: when they didn't have to. And all the talk this
Speaker 6: week was well, who's gonna stop Lamar? Or how how
Speaker 6: do we stop Max Crosby. That felt like the kind
Speaker 6: of strange matchup there. But I look at the box
Speaker 6: score in this game and I just see eleven penalties
Speaker 6: for the Ravens, three of eleven on third down. Lamar
Speaker 6: rushes five times for forty five yards. And obviously you
Speaker 6: don't want to runn asmuch as he did in Week one.
Speaker 6: But some things that are just a little uncharacteristic of
Speaker 6: the Ravens to the point that I essentially, Patrick, if
Speaker 6: I'm reading you correctly, with that Zay Flowers situation, I
Speaker 6: have to envision Frank Wycheck to Kevin Diyce in Music
Speaker 6: City Miracle. To give the Ravens a chance in this game.
Speaker 6: This is unlike them. They should not be in that situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that play, that play wasn't happening. I mean to
Speaker 1: focus in on that play is crazy. I would focus
Speaker 1: more on Look, it's a complete team loss for the Ravens,
Speaker 1: but for the last four possessions. For the Raiders to
Speaker 1: go touchdown field goal, touchdown, field goal in a half
Speaker 1: where they only had five possessions is pretty wild. Let's
Speaker 1: you mentioned DeVante Adams had the game tying touchdown. DeVante
Speaker 1: Adams goes nine for one to ten and a touchdown,
Speaker 1: including one of the most beautiful toe tap. They called
Speaker 1: it the smooth criminal catch on Twitter, which was perfect,
Speaker 1: just like an unreal DeVante Adams catch on the sideline,
Speaker 1: and then he gets the touchdown late brock Bauers, who
Speaker 1: is very much the same as the brock Bowers you
Speaker 1: saw in college nine for ninety eight. So those two
Speaker 1: get it done. Let's listen to that Devonte Adams game
Speaker 1: tying touchdown.
Speaker 4: Mit Schew and the count he's got some Mere White
Speaker 4: two his right. The handoff is sa mere no. Mitchew
Speaker 4: keeps it to the end.
Speaker 7: Zone for Adams and it's caught touchdown Raiders. Minchew pulled
Speaker 7: it out of White's belly, had a quick thrown at
Speaker 7: Avonte in the back middle of the end zone and
Speaker 7: the Raiders went three point fifty four to go in
Speaker 7: the game, are an extra point away from tying this game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, halfway through this game, I've seen people calling for
Speaker 1: aoc A and O'Connell, but Gardner Minshew ends up with
Speaker 1: thirty for thirty eight for two to seventy six. What
Speaker 1: happened there?
Speaker 2: Well, ultimately there was coverage issues. We saw it last
Speaker 2: week against Xavier Worthy. The Ravens blew a coverage and
Speaker 2: for some reason, brock Bauers just gets a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of free releases. It's gonna be tough to cover brock
Speaker 2: Bowers anyway. But you mentioned the field goal on the
Speaker 2: possession after that, Antonio Pierce had an opportunity. He wound
Speaker 2: up playing for the field goal and playing the clock
Speaker 2: game instead. The Raiders could have scored these touchdowns consecutively.
Speaker 2: Down question that there was really very little. There was
Speaker 2: much more of a pass rush in the first half
Speaker 2: versus the second half. They couldn't get to Minshew and
Speaker 2: when they did it was just Minshew magic.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, I mean, it's weak two. As you said
Speaker 1: right before we started, you were like, whatever's happened so far?
Speaker 1: You think it's gonna hold this year. So the Ravens
Speaker 1: are going, oh, in seventeen.
Speaker 3: They're not gonna They're not gonna win a single game.
Speaker 1: They are two games back in the AFC North, and yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a huge win obviously for the Raiders to
Speaker 1: just get some positive, positive vibes. Justin Tucker misses a
Speaker 1: fifty yard field goal in this game. He's one of
Speaker 1: his last seven from fifty plus. I think we can
Speaker 1: safely say Justin Tucker is no longer the best kicker
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Hitting fifty plus is what kind of
Speaker 1: matters right now for kickers because they're all hitting all
Speaker 1: the kicks under fifty. They're all so good at it
Speaker 1: that Justin Tucker's kind of not that dude anymore, which
Speaker 1: is amazing. But it is cool to see that Devanta
Speaker 1: Adams still is that dude. Before moving to the next game,
Speaker 1: let's just listen to DeVonta Adams because he had a
Speaker 1: postgame interview on the field with NFL Daily's own Steve Weisch.
Speaker 1: I mean, Wesch does other stuff, but mostly he's with
Speaker 1: NFL ty gotta hit the defense last, so they go
Speaker 1: up by ten. Max Roseman, the guys shut him down
Speaker 1: the rest.
Speaker 5: Of the way.
Speaker 1: Those boys, I mean, leap is far man, they fire.
Speaker 8: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: So we gotta gotta do what we gotta do on
Speaker 2: offense and be a little more consistent.
Speaker 3: Take some of that firsture off of him.
Speaker 1: But they clearly are fit to withstand some of that
Speaker 1: fun that they're dealing with.
Speaker 9: So as long as they keep fishing out, we're gonna
Speaker 9: be a fair team.
Speaker 1: All right. That was DeVante Adams. We move on from Vegas,
Speaker 1: UH to Minnesota, where another team that was a pretty
Speaker 1: big underdog on Sunday got it done. And they got
Speaker 1: it done in large part because of slinging Sam Darnold.
Speaker 9: Second and nine for the Vikings from their own three
Speaker 9: Darnald under center play action to Jones back to pass.
Speaker 1: Both have picked up deep shot.
Speaker 5: Jefferson yes, fifty picks.
Speaker 1: What to the forty touts back to the twenty five
Speaker 1: head to the right.
Speaker 10: He's trying to outrun the Niners to the five.
Speaker 1: Hey d seven yard.
Speaker 11: Touchdown from samarld suggestion Jefferson.
Speaker 1: Awesome call there by Paul Allen on k FA, and
Speaker 1: the Vikings moved to two to zero on the season.
Speaker 1: Twenty three to seventeen, the upset over the forty nine ers.
Speaker 1: With our friends at sky Sports in the building there,
Speaker 1: they were good luck for the Vikings. I'll go, I'll
Speaker 1: see it Neil Reynolds and Alex Jackson over in the
Speaker 1: UK in about a month for Jags Bears, but we're
Speaker 1: here to talk Vikings Niners shook. They got the lead
Speaker 1: early in this game, Justin Jefferson leaves with a quad injury.
Speaker 1: They say it's a bruise, in that he'll be ready
Speaker 1: to go next week. It's not believed to be serious.
Speaker 1: So they even got some good news on the injury
Speaker 1: front after the game, like, what was your biggest takeaway here?
Speaker 6: I mean, we're living in an alternate universe where I
Speaker 6: I have confidence in Sam Darold.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 6: I know it's only two games, but he looks like
Speaker 6: he has graduated to the next level. He is comfortable,
Speaker 6: he's not making massive mistakes. There was a period where
Speaker 6: I texted some of my USC friends and said, guys,
Speaker 6: I feel as Sam turnover a bad decision coming here
Speaker 6: with this game getting tight, And he did the opposite.
Speaker 6: He stood in the pocket with the pass rush bearing
Speaker 6: down on his right side. He rips a missile down
Speaker 6: the seam over Fred Warner between three Niners defenders to
Speaker 6: Jalen Naylor for a big pickup late in that game.
Speaker 6: And that right there proved to me, not the ninety
Speaker 6: seven yard touchdown pass, which is a thing of beauty
Speaker 6: in itself, but that right there proved to me Sam
Speaker 6: might just be built for this. Finally, after all these years,
Speaker 6: he might be ready for it, because he's looked like
Speaker 6: it through two weeks.
Speaker 12: And this is not the New York Giants, the San
Speaker 12: Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 6: This is the team that put the New York Jets
Speaker 6: in a crock pot and slow cooked them to death
Speaker 6: last week and this time around. Sure, they gave up
Speaker 6: three hundred and ninety nine yards of offense to the Niners,
Speaker 6: but at the same time they were able to outlast
Speaker 6: them with plays like that.
Speaker 12: And that's the beauty of it right now.
Speaker 6: Also, the other beautiful thing we went last week from
Speaker 6: Paul Allen being like, eh, you know, it's second and
Speaker 6: seven here. Now you can see the excitement in his
Speaker 6: voice before the action even happened. He's believing too, everything
Speaker 6: turning up Vikings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's reason to believe.
Speaker 2: Nick like, this isn't some upset where the Vikings were
Speaker 2: the team that fumbled on the goal line. The Vikings
Speaker 2: out gained the forty nine Ers, they were making plays,
Speaker 2: the turnover battle was even at to apiece. This is
Speaker 2: just a straight up show up at home and have
Speaker 2: a nice solid win over a team where brock Perty
Speaker 2: didn't self destruct today.
Speaker 3: He played, He played solidly.
Speaker 2: They just went out and beat the forty nine ers
Speaker 2: like there was no statistical anomaly here, still win.
Speaker 1: Right when Aaron Jones fumbled on the goal line and
Speaker 1: that came was that before or after Darnold's interception to
Speaker 1: Fred Warner, which was just a fantastic play. After that
Speaker 1: was after it? So after those two turnovers happened at
Speaker 1: the same time, I'm thinking, like, clip that play, guys.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that play as when the game turned
Speaker 1: because normally in a Viking hit situation you have two
Speaker 1: plays like that. And Donald's throw wasn't great, but that
Speaker 1: was an even better interception by Warner. Warner made both
Speaker 1: of those turnovers. He also forced the fumble on Jones.
Speaker 1: He is just playing out of his mind. Last week
Speaker 1: might have been one of the best games I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Fred Warner play and then he has another game like this.
Speaker 1: Normally I would expect, you know, the Vikings end up
Speaker 1: losing this game, but you mentioned how they they iced
Speaker 1: it without Jefferson on the field, without Jordan Addison on
Speaker 1: the field, and they partly did it, Yeah, because the
Speaker 1: defense shook. They blitz Brock Purdy on twenty of his
Speaker 1: forty four dropbacks forty five percent. With normally you say,
Speaker 1: oh man, they went crazy, but actually that's that's as
Speaker 1: normal for Flores. It might be under their average, actually
Speaker 1: forty five percent. And while all these pressures didn't come
Speaker 1: on the blitzes, he was pressured thirteen times and he
Speaker 1: took six sacks, the most of his career. So the
Speaker 1: Vikings defense got home.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I like the most about this performance
Speaker 6: from the Vikings. It was a total team win because
Speaker 6: on one side you had Donald you know, thriving, but
Speaker 6: the defense itself, Yeah, they gave up close to four
Speaker 6: hundred yards of offense, but they got after the quarterback.
Speaker 6: They got Brock pretty unsettled. By the time the fourth
Speaker 6: quarter arrived. He wasn't even getting through his progressions from
Speaker 6: right to left. He was almost freezing because it had
Speaker 6: just been so much chaos throughout most of that game.
Speaker 6: That's the first time I've seen Brock pretty really uncomfortable
Speaker 6: in a long time. And that was credit to their defense.
Speaker 6: And this is a team that, like we just talked about,
Speaker 6: turned the ball over twice. The Niners took both of
Speaker 6: those turnovers down the field and scored, and they got
Speaker 6: right back up off the mat and said let's go.
Speaker 6: I'll go another ten rounds with you, and they ended
Speaker 6: up coming out on top.
Speaker 1: I love that, and I just love that this NFC
Speaker 1: North is just gonna be even spicier than we expected.
Speaker 1: I expect Kevin Harlan to be spicy every week, and
Speaker 1: all I can say is we look for the moments
Speaker 1: when Kevin Harland just makes us happy. And he gave
Speaker 1: us a beauty on Sunday, in part because of technical
Speaker 1: problems where it sounds like the halftime cruise audio wasn't working.
Speaker 1: Let's listen, man, Let's take you to a Perlisson in
Speaker 1: New York.
Speaker 3: I can't hear anything, can I can't hear you?
Speaker 13: Go Rogers against Tennis Sell They go in jeep.
Speaker 3: They want the worst card die, the type.
Speaker 13: With a touchdown reception. The former check Chak, who yet
Speaker 13: this with the on for Tennessee to Minneapolis. All right,
Speaker 13: thank you, Chuck.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 14: I'm throwing a flag. I'm throwing a flag on the crew.
Speaker 14: Somebody's gotta let Kevin Harlan know what the play is
Speaker 14: because he's he's doing a million things at once. It's
Speaker 14: been like Levister Ridley just getting his ears so he
Speaker 14: can finish.
Speaker 1: The cass there knowing is expected that and knowing that
Speaker 1: he's watching on a monitor where that play is in
Speaker 1: the in the tiny little box and he gets it done.
Speaker 1: That was awesome. Not awesome is Christian McCaffrey's achilles tendonitis
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. Let's listen to Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan after the game respond to I believe pretty directly
Speaker 1: a report from our NFL networks, Ian Rapaport saying that
Speaker 1: McCaffrey could be out up to six weeks. Since we've
Speaker 1: last recorded, he was placed on injured reserve. Jordan Mason
Speaker 1: got the start on Sunday and he looks fantastic again,
Speaker 1: one hundred yards in a touchdown, So they have a
Speaker 1: good backup, but obviously very concerning that McCaffrey's hurt.
Speaker 15: Nobody knows. You know, we're dealing with tendon itis, so
Speaker 15: there's not one person knows.
Speaker 3: He doesn't know, we.
Speaker 15: Don't know, and take it day by day, you know.
Speaker 15: By putting on ir it's at least four weeks, so
Speaker 15: that'll give him some time to rest and kind of
Speaker 15: protect him from himself us too, no matter how he's
Speaker 15: feeling this four at the minimum.
Speaker 1: M I guess nobody knows, but you know, someone like
Speaker 1: Ian Rapport doesn't put that out there for no reason.
Speaker 1: It was partly, I think a scheduling thing too, and
Speaker 1: it's just it's disappointing. And yet again they're a team
Speaker 1: that really the games that matter are going to November, December, January,
Speaker 1: hopefully Christian McCaffrey is back for them by then. Let's
Speaker 1: continue with the upset theme and go to Lambeau where, look,
Speaker 1: they're gonna start a quarterback they just traded for a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago. This isn't gonna go well, right, Oh
Speaker 1: yes it does.
Speaker 10: Pittman and Pierce to the right side along with Branson
Speaker 10: the tight end. Mitchell split to the left, snap to Richardson.
Speaker 10: He looks, he waits still looking, winds up rainbows deep.
Speaker 11: Down the right side into a gaggle of bodies just
Speaker 11: drunk it a far accepted by the Packers and there
Speaker 11: is your daggers intercepted by the rookie Evan Williams, and
Speaker 11: the Packers survived sixteen to ten over the Colts.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 16: W R N W.
Speaker 1: Wayne Larvie with the call. We'd have to go back
Speaker 1: and have someone listened to see if he had a
Speaker 1: dagger call like a minute and a half before that,
Speaker 1: because I swear I thought this game was over after
Speaker 1: a previous stop, but it was not. The Colts hung
Speaker 1: around in a game where it was pretty one sided throughout.
Speaker 1: Sixteen to ten, the Packers get the victory over the Colts.
Speaker 1: Now at oh and two, the Packers with a big
Speaker 1: time win. And I watched this game and the first
Speaker 1: drive was really telling. Malik Willis only throws one pass
Speaker 1: on that drive for zero yards, and yet they drove
Speaker 1: the ball fifty seven yards on the ground. They ended
Speaker 1: up having one hundred and sixty four yards on the
Speaker 1: ground in the first quarter two hundred and thirty seven
Speaker 1: yards on the ground in the first half. That is
Speaker 1: the third most rushing yards in the first half of
Speaker 1: any team in any game since two thousand. They actually
Speaker 1: only ended up with two sixty one, so the Colts
Speaker 1: kind of cleaned it up after halftime, but by then
Speaker 1: the damage was done. And it's amazing to me that
Speaker 1: the Colts went into this game knowing the Packers are
Speaker 1: just going to run the ball. Josh Jacobs ends up
Speaker 1: with thirty two for one fifty one, Malik Willis goes
Speaker 1: six for forty one on the ground. Even Jayden Reid
Speaker 1: has has a couple of long runs, like every runn
Speaker 1: he has is a long run, and the Colts just
Speaker 1: weren't ready. The second straight week. Their rush defense really
Speaker 1: killed them. And I was tracking Patrick like a lot
Speaker 1: of Colts reporters after this game, and people are almost
Speaker 1: debating like who is the bigger problem here? The offense
Speaker 1: or the defense, because while the defense was getting steamrolled,
Speaker 1: I mean, the Colts offense only had three plays on
Speaker 1: offense before it was ten to nothing, so they were
Speaker 1: always playing from behind. Colts offense didn't really get it
Speaker 1: done either. Anthony Richardson throws three picks, another sort of
Speaker 1: boom or bust game for the Colts.
Speaker 2: But now this is the second consecutive game where a
Speaker 2: vet and running back has gone in against the Indianapolis
Speaker 2: coltson run all over the moves ten to nothing with
Speaker 2: twelve thirteen to go in the second quarter, and Josh
Speaker 2: Jacobs fumbled right on the goal line, and so this
Speaker 2: this could have gotten even worse. That kind of kept
Speaker 2: them into the game. And we come in and we're saying, oh,
Speaker 2: Malik Willis has never thrown for one hundred yards. He's
Speaker 2: never had a receiver go over fifty yards. Malik Willis
Speaker 2: played a pretty solid game today. He said, there was
Speaker 2: no runs on that first drive because one of those
Speaker 2: swingout was a backwards pass to Jayden Reed. But it's
Speaker 2: still he's in a throwing motion. Like Malik Willis comes in,
Speaker 2: he just got there. Like, what would Malik Willis have
Speaker 2: a whole off season, a chance to prepare for this
Speaker 2: offense that's proliferated around the league?
Speaker 3: What might he be? That's what I loved about this game.
Speaker 3: We finally get a chance to see it.
Speaker 6: You know, like, going into this situation strategically, you think,
Speaker 6: from an offensive standpoint, all right, how are we gonna
Speaker 6: you know, minimize our potential to turn the ball over
Speaker 6: and kill ourselves it's by shortening the passing game. It's
Speaker 6: by relying on the run game, and the defense knows
Speaker 6: that they know that they're gonna come there and try
Speaker 6: to pound the rock on the ground as much as possible.
Speaker 6: It is demoralizing it as can be when you can't
Speaker 6: stop that. When a guy goes thirty two for one
Speaker 6: p fifty one, when they rack up this many rushing yards,
Speaker 6: you can't stop him. And I sound like a broken
Speaker 6: record at this point, but if you can't stop him
Speaker 6: at the point of attack on the ground, that takes
Speaker 6: all the pressure in the world off the quarterback. You
Speaker 6: need to stack the box now just to stop the run.
Speaker 6: Let alone try to get after that quarterback and suddenly
Speaker 6: he's not as much of a factor. Then he goes
Speaker 6: out and completes twelve or fourteen passes, has a pretty
Speaker 6: nice day. Doesn't have to be the star. And that's
Speaker 6: how you win when you know you don't trust your
Speaker 6: quarterback that well, So kudos to him, kudos to Matt Lafleur.
Speaker 6: We're putting together a game plan that works. I mean,
Speaker 6: it's a beautiful thing when all of it works like that,
Speaker 6: and it's really really scary and concerning for a defense
Speaker 6: when you cannot get that type of stop against another
Speaker 6: NFL team, It's as simple as that, especially in two
Speaker 6: weeks in a row.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned the passing numbers, because yeah, they
Speaker 1: ended up great.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs helped him out. His playmakers helped him out.
Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs with a great catch in the second half
Speaker 1: of this game when Malik Willis put it up, but
Speaker 1: it was a chance worth taking. And on the couple
Speaker 1: timing routes that they had, Malik Willis was very effective.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to his touchdown throw to Dontavian Wicks.
Speaker 10: Third and four now for the Packers at the Colts
Speaker 10: fourteen yard line.
Speaker 1: Here's the snap.
Speaker 11: Willis looks, throws right side pass man down the sidelines
Speaker 11: in the young up.
Speaker 1: Down Tavian Wex.
Speaker 10: The first touchdown pass rock in the career of Malik Willis.
Speaker 1: What a story. I think Matt Lafleur was having a
Speaker 1: blast in this game. Some of the run formations they
Speaker 1: had early were awesome. And look, Jordan Love didn't get
Speaker 1: ruled out for this game. Weirdly until Saturday. I think
Speaker 1: he was downgraded to doubtful. They had him questionable on
Speaker 1: the injury report initially, there's some talk that maybe he's
Speaker 1: a little closer to returning, and that would certainly support
Speaker 1: it than people thought. We'll see what they do in
Speaker 1: week three. Either way, it's a great story, but maybe
Speaker 1: Willis buys him another week to be more conservative with
Speaker 1: their quarterback. And this is a type of win that
Speaker 1: everyone just gets really excited about. Let's actually listen to
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur after the game talking about his center, Josh
Speaker 1: Myers throwing up on the ball. That's a real football guy.
Speaker 17: I asked Malik why he didn't throw the ball and
Speaker 17: that third down, and he told me that Josh threw
Speaker 17: up on the ball. I was like, that's the first
Speaker 17: time I've ever heard that. Matter of fact, official.
Speaker 3: Came over to me.
Speaker 17: Sean came over to me and said, you know, we
Speaker 17: saw your center thrown up on the ball. Do you
Speaker 17: want us to take him out next time? I said, absolutely,
Speaker 17: please do that, because I mean, you're talking about a
Speaker 17: critical situation and it's third down and I've never had
Speaker 17: a throw with Voman on a football, so I don't know.
Speaker 17: I don't think Malik probably appreciate that.
Speaker 1: That is incredible and yet please please yo check out
Speaker 1: the YouTube. Subscribe. You get the highlights, you get the sound.
Speaker 1: Obviously we love you on the audio. But if you
Speaker 1: do happen to watch a video, you can see that's
Speaker 1: your screamish right the replay of him puking three or
Speaker 1: four street times, it was a liquidy one didn't seem
Speaker 1: too chuck.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the that's the issue.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, the volume and Malik willis my goodness, he
Speaker 2: Jordan Love gets hurt in the final moments. He comes
Speaker 2: in just to throw a hail Mary on the slush fest.
Speaker 2: He falls down and then he comes in this game,
Speaker 2: his first start for the Packers and the Sinners throwing
Speaker 2: up on the football. Thank goodness for him. He makes
Speaker 2: a decision to just hold on to it and keep it.
Speaker 2: But that's a that's a lot to process.
Speaker 6: In vomit the opposite of stickham like, think vomits legal, right, yeah,
Speaker 6: probably a little slippery, right.
Speaker 1: I saw another I can now, I'm now I'm losing track.
Speaker 1: And it might have been in a different It might
Speaker 1: have been in a different game. I swear I saw
Speaker 1: another player vomiting on the field. I believe at the
Speaker 1: end of this game. That was not Malik Willis, so
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 12: That's September, maybe September, so that's pretty common.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was just going around.
Speaker 2: So but I do wonder, from an officiating standpoint, if
Speaker 2: the if the defensive tackle does that on the ball,
Speaker 2: what's what's the call.
Speaker 1: I don't think there is a call for that. I
Speaker 1: think that's just like neutral gen in fract it's nature.
Speaker 1: So you just have to let it happen. Disappointing day
Speaker 1: for the Colts. Not only do they lose to go
Speaker 1: oh and two, they waste a good performance by Jonathan Taylor,
Speaker 1: who had a nice yard, was not always on the field,
Speaker 1: like on third downs, but he said he was healthy.
Speaker 1: The time of possession. They've lost by roughly forty minutes
Speaker 1: to twenty minutes in both games, which you don't normally
Speaker 1: I don't get tooquorried about time and possession. But that's
Speaker 1: a lot. And then most importantly there DeForest Buckner had
Speaker 1: to be helped off the field appeared to have what
Speaker 1: could be a serious lower leg injury. We will see.
Speaker 1: Liot Latu also was ruled out late in this game
Speaker 1: with a hip injury. The defensive line was supposed to
Speaker 1: be their strength and now it kind of looks like
Speaker 1: a weakness. And yeah, as I mentioned, I did see
Speaker 1: Richardson you know some of the interceptions. The last one
Speaker 1: was just you know, he's thrown up a hail Mary.
Speaker 1: But he did have an overthrow where I'm not a
Speaker 1: mechanics but it looked a little crazy. What was going on,
Speaker 1: kind of backpedaling, his feet were all crazy and the
Speaker 1: ball sailed. So just a sloppy day for the Colts.
Speaker 1: They will try to respond. We will be responding after
Speaker 1: the break. I guess we'll get to this. Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: Joe Burrows, They're gonna.
Speaker 3: Have to deal with waiting for the Chiefs at some point.
Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily, such a good week of games.
Speaker 1: That Yeah, a twenty six, twenty five Chiefs victory over
Speaker 1: the Bengals didn't even lead the show, but it is
Speaker 1: pretty awesome. I love this rivalry started all Bengals, now
Speaker 1: lately it's been all Chiefs. And if you had to
Speaker 1: guess before the game how it was going to end,
Speaker 1: the call would sound something like this.
Speaker 18: It's the Bengals in the Chiefs. Why would you think
Speaker 18: it would be any thing different than this? A fifty
Speaker 18: one year older officially to try to win it by
Speaker 18: Bucker twenty five to twenty three. Cincinnati placement is down.
Speaker 18: Bucker's kick leg three.
Speaker 11: It is high enough and it is good.
Speaker 19: Kansas City. Harrison Bucker another clutch kick against the Bengals
Speaker 19: and the Chiefs win it at the buzzer twenty six,
Speaker 19: twenty five and the Chiefs going to two and zero
Speaker 19: on the year.
Speaker 1: That was w daf and Midge Holtis. Harrison Bucker gets
Speaker 1: it done again. I mean, how many of the biggest
Speaker 1: games of the last handful of years just ended on
Speaker 1: a Harrison Bucker seemingly anti climactic kick. Guy, What of
Speaker 1: them happened against the Bengals that put them in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl? The Super Bowl obviously ended with one last year.
Speaker 1: This one was a little more tense because the Chiefs
Speaker 1: were trailing at the time, and yet after that pass interference,
Speaker 1: which I know you'll want to talk about on fourth
Speaker 1: and sixteen with forty eight seconds left happened, it just
Speaker 1: felt like we were just wasting time until Bucker got
Speaker 1: done again.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and actually it felt like a like a slow
Speaker 6: march to death. If you're a Bengals fan, like it
Speaker 6: was just, oh, here we are again.
Speaker 12: We're in range. Now he's gonna make it. The game's
Speaker 12: over once again.
Speaker 6: I just checked by the way Harrison Bucker had a
Speaker 6: fifty one yard to win a Day twenty twenty two
Speaker 6: season AFC Championship game after the josepho side penalty that
Speaker 6: knocks Patrick Mahomes out of bounds and puts him puts
Speaker 6: them into field goal Rainzels a forty five yarder.
Speaker 12: I mean, it's like you couldn't make it up how
Speaker 12: similar they were.
Speaker 6: This pass interference penalty, by the way, totally passing interference
Speaker 6: on Di John Anthony.
Speaker 12: It's unfortunate for them, but the.
Speaker 6: Way that this game was played was so similar and
Speaker 6: yet unlike their past meetings because the Chiefs kind of
Speaker 6: had to win ugly, Like they had four accepted penalties,
Speaker 6: but I could have counted a few more that were
Speaker 6: declined or that It just seemed like there was a
Speaker 6: long pass to Travis Kelsey brought back by a penalty,
Speaker 6: kingsleys Uamanta, the left tackle getting smoked by Trey Hendrickson
Speaker 6: to the point that they bention him in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 6: It just felt like the operation saved for the forty
Speaker 6: four yard touchdown past to rasheet. Rice was really difficult
Speaker 6: for them. Every time something went well for them, something
Speaker 6: brought it back or just got in the way, and
Speaker 6: yet they found a way to do it in a
Speaker 6: similar fashion. And that's got to just absolutely hurt Bengals
Speaker 6: fans because they played well enough to win, especially after
Speaker 6: the way they played in Week one. I mean, Joe
Speaker 6: Burrow twenty three to thirty six, two fifty eight, two touchdowns,
Speaker 6: fumbled the ball away, there was pretty much even turnovers,
Speaker 6: you know, giveaways on both sides of the ball, six
Speaker 6: lead changes I think in the second half in this game,
Speaker 6: just back and forth. A classic game. But you know,
Speaker 6: for as bad as the Bengals were a Week one,
Speaker 6: there were a lot better this week. And yet they're
Speaker 6: still zero to two and they're still on the short
Speaker 6: end of the stick against the Kansas City Chiefs, and
Speaker 6: now you just.
Speaker 12: Wonder, are we ever going to get over this hump?
Speaker 12: I don't know.
Speaker 2: They the early season issues for Cincinnati continue, but I
Speaker 2: feel like you got to extract that one and from
Speaker 2: this particular narrative, because there was there was some it
Speaker 2: felt playoffish to a certain extent, and lou An Romo
Speaker 2: calls an incredible game, and of course there's gonna be
Speaker 2: all these shots of de John Anthony after the game,
Speaker 2: and people are frustrated about because he got way too
Speaker 2: much depth on that particular play comes up and hits
Speaker 2: Rashee Rice.
Speaker 3: He played like five defensive snaps last week.
Speaker 2: I just wonder why the Bengals, after playing such a
Speaker 2: great game are rushing three in this instance, giving Patrick
Speaker 2: Mahomes all this time because there was the third down
Speaker 2: play where the play before that got called back because
Speaker 2: of a penalty. The Bengals would have been better off
Speaker 2: with that initial gain instead of the past interference on
Speaker 2: Rashie Rice because it's it's just as Shook pointed out,
Speaker 2: it's just so similar to the past where the penalty
Speaker 2: puts Bucker in the range. And regardless of what he
Speaker 2: thinks the role everybody else on the planet should be
Speaker 2: his roles kicking field goal is pretty good at it.
Speaker 1: Right, Patrick.
Speaker 6: I lived my life by two key rules, okay, among
Speaker 6: some One, if at all possible, do not wait in line.
Speaker 6: Then two never rush three. And yet that's where they
Speaker 6: found themselves, So they can only blame themselves for having
Speaker 6: them in that situation where that occurs, like, you're absolutely right,
Speaker 6: it's a bummer for them, but you're absolutely right, never rush.
Speaker 1: Three because that allows Mahomes the time to set up
Speaker 1: and everyone to get downfield. It's hard not to contrast
Speaker 1: that approach to the Steve Spagnolo approach on a day
Speaker 1: where they barely blitzed at all because they're afraid of
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, who's great against the blitz. They did send
Speaker 1: the house on Burrow on the Bengals last offensive possession
Speaker 1: to get the ball back on third down. So Spags
Speaker 1: goes big, blitz wins, Bengals get conservative lose. Now, ana
Speaker 1: Arumo will say, look, I got Hendrickson out there, winning
Speaker 1: every snap, and actually we kind of did flush Mahomes
Speaker 1: out pretty quick on that three man rush. So you
Speaker 1: do also have to give Mahomes credit for being Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes and setting up that play because I was ready
Speaker 1: to rail against it then they actually kind of made
Speaker 1: him move right away. But again, when it's only three rushers,
Speaker 1: you only have to beat one guy if your Mahomes,
Speaker 1: and he's so good at doing that. So much happened
Speaker 1: in this game. I almost don't know where to start
Speaker 1: because you mentioned, Yeah, Joe Burrows fumble that was a
Speaker 1: return for a touchdown by the Chiefs defense, which normally
Speaker 1: would be a decisive play. They also had a long
Speaker 1: forty seven yard touchdown throw to Rashid Rice, Who's really
Speaker 1: getting more vertical with his routes. That's not something he
Speaker 1: was going to do last year. Like both of these
Speaker 1: routes that he ran, one for the PI and one
Speaker 1: for the touchdown were not routes he was running last year.
Speaker 1: That shows growth. And yet Patrick Mahomes threw the ball
Speaker 1: twenty five times, shook for one hundred and fifty one yards,
Speaker 1: and he threw two interceptions on the day. So this
Speaker 1: was kind of like last year's Chiefs and they did
Speaker 1: run the ball pretty well. But Isaiah Pacheco ended up
Speaker 1: leaving with an ankle injury. That's concerning. But what did
Speaker 1: you make of the Chief's passing attack kind of being
Speaker 1: stuck in mud a little bit like that?
Speaker 6: You know, I came in with one key takeaway and
Speaker 6: it was lou Anarumo is in a special group of
Speaker 6: defensive coordinators that has somewhat of an answer for the
Speaker 6: Kansas City Chiefs no matter what their offense evolves.
Speaker 12: Into from year to year.
Speaker 6: He always seems to have an answer until those final
Speaker 6: moments when they need that one play to get into
Speaker 6: field goal range, and the rest of the game he's
Speaker 6: pretty much on top of it. And case in point,
Speaker 6: the Keem Davis Gaither interception was an ugly interception as
Speaker 6: if Mahomes didn't see him or they shifted coverage. I
Speaker 6: mean he was right there to take it easily. Then
Speaker 6: he had Cam Taylor Britt talking trash about Xavier Worthy
Speaker 6: this week, saying all he can do is run a
Speaker 6: straight line really fast. He's in one on one coverage
Speaker 6: down the sideline, makes one of the best interceptions you'll
Speaker 6: ever see. And in between their generating pressure, now, the
Speaker 6: Chiefs still ran the ball fairly well on the ground,
Speaker 6: like it was a solid three to four per carry,
Speaker 6: you know, nineteen for ninety for Pacheco, and you know
Speaker 6: it's not like they were necessarily getting stopped there. But
Speaker 6: when it came, you know, drive by drive, as this
Speaker 6: game stayed close and stayed close, they were able to
Speaker 6: get stops, they were forcing takeaways, they were doing everything
Speaker 6: they needed to to give their offense opportunities. And on
Speaker 6: the same you know, on the flip side of that coin.
Speaker 6: Joe Burrow, he'd make a nice throw here, He'd make
Speaker 6: a nice throw here. And then also they'd be in
Speaker 6: the third down and Spags would blitz him and they'd
Speaker 6: have to punt like it was just a great tug
Speaker 6: of war type of game. I don't really take it
Speaker 6: as like an indicator of the Chiefs offense. I think
Speaker 6: that it's just Bengals have experience against them. They know
Speaker 6: how to answer them, even as their offense changes over
Speaker 6: the years, and I think it's going to always be
Speaker 6: like that for as long as these coaches are on
Speaker 6: these teams.
Speaker 1: I disagree slightly Hollywood Brown, which is potentially going to
Speaker 1: miss the rest of the season. That's news that dropped
Speaker 1: since we last taped this podcast. He's out for a
Speaker 1: long time now, he's on injured reserve. Yet he had
Speaker 1: a setback. Rasie Rice is definitely better. Xavier Worthy ends
Speaker 1: up with seventeen receiving yards in this game, four targets.
Speaker 1: We'll see what kind of role he's ready for. It
Speaker 1: so far hasn't been high volume. And then Pacheco leaves
Speaker 1: in a walking boot and I think he said crutches Patrick,
Speaker 1: So I think there are things to be worried about.
Speaker 1: And then their left tackle Assue Mattea did not have
Speaker 1: a good game. As you mentioned Wan who catches a touchdown.
Speaker 1: I mean, so many things happened in this game, even
Speaker 1: that it won interception by Taylor britt. If this was
Speaker 1: a one sided game, that's what we would have led with.
Speaker 1: That thing was incredible. Jamar Chase very quiet in this game.
Speaker 1: Four for thirty five. My guy Yoshavas gets two touchdowns,
Speaker 1: but only seven yards in a key drop right before
Speaker 1: that big blitz I talked about by Spagnolo. Yoshavas had
Speaker 1: a drop that could have kept that drive going and
Speaker 1: you know you have the ball late. It kind of
Speaker 1: reminded me a little bit of the Super Bowl Patrick
Speaker 1: that they lost, where the Bengals had a bunch of
Speaker 1: a couple of chances on offense to put it away
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason just didn't execute.
Speaker 3: Several And it wasn't just Joseavas.
Speaker 2: Trenton Irwin had a ball hit him in the face
Speaker 2: mask Yep, it could have extended a drive as well.
Speaker 2: Just those but it's those type of mistakes where it
Speaker 2: seems like, I know, it's it's cliche you can't make
Speaker 2: them against Kesh.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: If you do that, you survive against another team. But
Speaker 2: that sliver of an opening like fourth and sixteen, it
Speaker 2: just keeps happening with this particular team.
Speaker 1: Well, let's listen to the fourth and sixteen call. I'm
Speaker 1: just curious what the Bengals radio booth sounded like for
Speaker 1: this one. Patrick, you mentioned John Anthony only played three
Speaker 1: snaps last week. Just went and checked with their next
Speaker 1: Gen stats crew. This was one of his three snaps
Speaker 1: this week. This is technically doesn't count as a snap,
Speaker 1: but only two steps that counted. And then this one
Speaker 1: with the penalty.
Speaker 20: Mahomes catches a shotgun snap, drops back, bouncing at the
Speaker 20: twenty three scrambling left, stays behind the line, broken up.
Speaker 20: There's a penalty flag on the Bengals rookie.
Speaker 3: Wow, he's gonna call pass interference on that.
Speaker 20: Rashi Rice was the intended receiver. Wow, at the thirty
Speaker 20: five yard line of Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: It's so frustrating to root against the Chiefs because I
Speaker 1: follow a bunch of Bengals fans that were all like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe they're letting them do that, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: was past interference, but I can't believe the Chiefs are
Speaker 1: getting a wait, like, no one actually argues that this
Speaker 1: was the right call. It just feels like we've seen
Speaker 1: uh this story before, and it's familiar to the people
Speaker 1: in the game too. Joe Burrow after the game was
Speaker 1: very frustrated. How frustrated.
Speaker 21: Was frustrating as I've had. Yeah, that's nice being back
Speaker 21: playing ball, but you know this instincts a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 21: I thought I played fast and decisive today. Obviously got
Speaker 21: a hold onto the ball. That one was disappointing, gifted
Speaker 21: him six points, So that was frustrating.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, desponded. Check. You seem to be in a
Speaker 1: good mood though. I think you were happy that this
Speaker 1: AFC North team lost. I know, I know Patrick was here.
Speaker 1: He didn't want his Ravens, So I harbor zero bias
Speaker 1: bias in this.
Speaker 12: I I it was a thrilling game.
Speaker 6: I think I just can't get over to the fact.
Speaker 6: If you're watching on YouTube, the Joe Burrow looks like
Speaker 6: he just stepped out of two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 12: These these game like a puka shell necklace and then
Speaker 12: he's gonna beat there.
Speaker 1: It is it really is telling though about he's in
Speaker 1: the light ones, like it brings me back, though, like
Speaker 1: the the box scores are like two thousand and one
Speaker 1: against Like, like I know, there were actually weren't many
Speaker 1: defensive stops in this game. So it's a little misleading
Speaker 1: when you look at you know, four point eight yards
Speaker 1: per game for the Chiefs five point two for the Bengals, Like,
Speaker 1: that's not great. The Bengals have three hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: yards Chiefs to eighty six, Like that's really low. And
Speaker 1: yet it's mostly because they're having these long, drawn out
Speaker 1: drives that sometimes end in points, sometimes then in turnovers.
Speaker 1: But there's not many punts happening. But there's not a
Speaker 1: ton of points either on offense. All right, let's move
Speaker 1: on to a game where I expected the defenses to
Speaker 1: dominate and it was not quite that way. Let's go
Speaker 1: to Foxborough and listen to another game winner.
Speaker 22: So thirty one yarder to win it from the left,
Speaker 22: hash Mark Dixon puts it down, Myers gets it away.
Speaker 22: Ayawks win the game, get over time against the Patriots.
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of twelves with their arms up.
Speaker 22: Right now saying yes, the Seahawks win they go to
Speaker 22: two and oh under first year ahead coach Mike McDonald,
Speaker 22: all the way across country. It comes down to four
Speaker 22: and a half left to play in OG. The Seahawks
Speaker 22: get the drive they need when they need it, and
Speaker 22: they go.
Speaker 10: To two and oh.
Speaker 1: And a loss that's gonna hurt because you know, the
Speaker 1: Patriots are wearing their very best uniforms. They bring back
Speaker 1: the two thousand and one memories. Like I said, the
Speaker 1: same sort of formula as a week ago. Oh, running
Speaker 1: the ball so well, but for all the running and
Speaker 1: the defense that you want, it's still a quarterbacks game.
Speaker 1: And Gino Smith, to me, was the story in the
Speaker 1: league where the quarterback play has not been as great
Speaker 1: this year, Gino has been about as good as I've
Speaker 1: seen from any quarterback through two weeks. Thirty three for
Speaker 1: forty four for three, one hundred and twenty seven yards
Speaker 1: and a touchdown. In this game, when he held the
Speaker 1: ball over two and a half seconds, thirteen for seventeen
Speaker 1: for one point eighty four. The decisions were awesome. And
Speaker 1: you might say, like you know, a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: that box score doesn't stand out to you that much,
Speaker 1: but this is one where you got to watch the
Speaker 1: tape because the interior pass rush was really poor. The
Speaker 1: interior protection was really poor for Gino Smith in this game,
Speaker 1: and he overcame it. The running game was absolutely terrible
Speaker 1: for the Seahawks. No Kenneth Walker in this game. Zach
Speaker 1: Charbonnay ends up fourteen for thirty eight on the ground,
Speaker 1: getting no help there at least four to five drops
Speaker 1: in this game, and yet Gino just kept coming and
Speaker 1: making difficult throws and a lot of times seemingly having
Speaker 1: two plays when he goes up to the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage and picking the right one. I saw some charting
Speaker 1: on the internet that he was the first quarterback that
Speaker 1: they've charted to have forty plus dropbacks, an average depth
Speaker 1: of target over eight yard, and zero off target throws charted.
Speaker 1: So it's just like he was on point. And sometimes
Speaker 1: a better pass is beating a good defense and the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: I mean, rather, the Seahawks escaped a really game effort
Speaker 1: by the Patriots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, twelve of fifteen Gino against the Blitz, one hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty seven yards and a touchdown, just decisive, like
Speaker 2: hawkeyeish out there with Zach.
Speaker 1: One of those the last Blitz in that number was
Speaker 1: in overtime on a third and seven where it looked
Speaker 1: like they were going to get tom Zach Charbnay makes
Speaker 1: a nice play to avoid a tackle, and much like last.
Speaker 2: Week where we saw like a seeing eyeball to Tyler Lockett,
Speaker 2: they had a similar pass to Jackson Smith and Jigba
Speaker 2: today and then over on the other side a solid
Speaker 2: effort because Romandre Stevenson actually got out gained by Antonio
Speaker 2: Gibson in this one. The Patriots ran heavy the whole game,
Speaker 2: including my favorite play of the for the Patriots today.
Speaker 3: They go wildcat on the goal line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jacoby Brissett run out to his wide receiver spot
Speaker 2: next to the sideline. Remandre goes to the quarterback position.
Speaker 2: He looks over at Jacoby for the signal and Jacoby
Speaker 2: looks back at him like you're playing quarterback, go you,
Speaker 2: So they snap it to him. He scores a touchdown.
Speaker 2: They take the lead on that play. But again, too
Speaker 2: much Gino shook. It's just it's all Gino in the
Speaker 2: In the Greg Rosenthal Bolt offer his love and adoration, Gino.
Speaker 6: Smith WANs today I feel like I'm front row of
Speaker 6: the Gino Coaster with Greg right next to me, screaming
Speaker 6: the whole way down, arms up.
Speaker 1: This is a blasts.
Speaker 12: I'm having a great time, you know.
Speaker 6: I think that there it's telling when you look at
Speaker 6: the box score of this game that thirty of his
Speaker 6: targets were shared between DK Metcalf and Jackson Smith and
Speaker 6: Jigman and only two went to Tyler Lockett. Like that's
Speaker 6: that tells me, all right, I know who I can
Speaker 6: throw to and I know who's going to be open
Speaker 6: based on what I'm seeing from this defense. So what
Speaker 6: you're talking about with having two plays and picking from one,
Speaker 6: that makes a ton of sense. Otherwise I'm thinking I'm
Speaker 6: sitting here looking at going how did the Patriots rack
Speaker 6: up three hundred and ten yards of offensive bset when
Speaker 6: fifteen for twenty seven nine?
Speaker 11: Oh?
Speaker 6: Because, like you said, Greg, their backfield back in two
Speaker 6: thousand and one, what is this Antoine Smith are we
Speaker 6: looking at?
Speaker 21: Like?
Speaker 1: They were never actually good with Antoine Smith?
Speaker 3: That was the thing.
Speaker 1: He was like three point five yards per Carrious with Yeah, Givin, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go more like Corey Dyllan that was sweet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Corydon that was the one. Uh yeah, Gibson and Ramandri
Speaker 1: go for one to seventy eight combined. Hunter Henry goes
Speaker 1: over one hundred yards, almost all that in the first half,
Speaker 1: and the wide receivers for the Patriots combine, all of
Speaker 1: them combined for a total of nineteen yards. So they're
Speaker 1: they have limitations on offense, and yet they're kind of
Speaker 1: coaching around him. And that's why I think this one
Speaker 1: will sting. I give Mike McDonald, they're coach a lot
Speaker 1: of credit because, yeah, Henry's eating him up, and then
Speaker 1: he moves Julian Love on Henry as an adjustment and
Speaker 1: they kind of shut him down. So, like, the Patriots
Speaker 1: had a number of sequences where they could have put
Speaker 1: this game way you would watch this game. It was
Speaker 1: very clean, very few penalties, like like no dune turnovers,
Speaker 1: like it was just looked like a good game between
Speaker 1: two good teams, where the Patriots had like a little
Speaker 1: bit of an edge for much of the second half.
Speaker 1: But a key sequence was they were up three points
Speaker 1: in the second half driving and Byron Murphy got a
Speaker 1: sack of Jacoby Brissett on third and six. Byron Murphy
Speaker 1: and Derek Hall both had great days and it was
Speaker 1: such a quick pressure Jacoby had no choice. That backed
Speaker 1: up the field goal, and then they blocked a forty
Speaker 1: eight yard Joey Sly field goal. The Patriots then get
Speaker 1: the ball back late in regulation, they actually make a
Speaker 1: stop force a field goal, so it's tied, so they
Speaker 1: get a chance to go win it with a two
Speaker 1: minute drill, but again a Derek Hall quick pressure at
Speaker 1: the end kills that drive. And then in overtime, the
Speaker 1: offensive line can't get a yard on third and one.
Speaker 1: The Patriots actually had the ball first, and I thought
Speaker 1: Mayo chickened out a little bit. I know, he's a
Speaker 1: defensive coach. He's probably not built for going for fourth
Speaker 1: and one on his own thirty nine or so in overtime,
Speaker 1: because yeah, if you don't get that yard, you basically
Speaker 1: lose the game. And yet the way the game was going,
Speaker 1: I just thought they're going to get a yard. Have faith.
Speaker 1: I know they didn't play before, but have some faith
Speaker 1: in your offense. He did not, and they lost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's I mean, there's a million ways you can
Speaker 2: split that. Of course, with the benefit of the hanside,
Speaker 2: he should have gone.
Speaker 1: I thought it at the time. I'm like, there's no
Speaker 1: way they're gonna get a stop at this point, like
Speaker 1: the Seahawks are gotta drive out for a field goal.
Speaker 2: But you mentioned Julian Love. It was actually Julian Love
Speaker 2: that blocked that field golf as well. So not only
Speaker 2: does he come in and put the clamps on Hunter Henry,
Speaker 2: who was the leading separation guy who is getting three
Speaker 2: and zero point three yards of average separation for the
Speaker 2: New England Patriots who really had trouble separating. Jaylenn Polk
Speaker 2: had the touchdown as well, but just a tough offensive
Speaker 2: situation to deal with, and then Seattle's making those plays
Speaker 2: that ultimately wins them the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fun Keon White ends up with a one point
Speaker 1: five sacks and a fifty two. I mean, this Patriots
Speaker 1: team has looked much better through two weeks than any
Speaker 1: Patriots fans could have possibly expected. They kind of let
Speaker 1: this one get away. And it's interesting there week one
Speaker 1: starting left Taco Chucks, a corps for is no longer
Speaker 1: with the team. This one sort of slipped under the radar.
Speaker 1: I noticed it this morning that he just left. I
Speaker 1: don't think he was happy that he was benched last week.
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of reporting about it, but he
Speaker 1: was placed on the like did not report list, which
Speaker 1: you don't normally see in week. No, I don't think
Speaker 1: he was going to get the start this week. I
Speaker 1: think he found that out. It was gonna be Verderian
Speaker 1: Low and he's no longer with the team, So Greg
Speaker 1: in that vein.
Speaker 6: I have one question for you, since you've seen, you know,
Speaker 6: both these games up close and personal, how do you
Speaker 6: analyze this offensive line that can clearly make space in
Speaker 6: the run game but can't protect Jacobe Presett very well?
Speaker 1: Oh, I think they were Their performance last week was overrated,
Speaker 1: and they didn't protect Perset well this week. And I
Speaker 1: just think it's like they're They're running backs are just
Speaker 1: breaking a million tackles, like that's the last week. Ramondre
Speaker 1: broke twelve tackles. Antonio Gibson was electric today, breaking tackle
Speaker 1: after tackle after tackle, and Rimandre ran well too. So
Speaker 1: I think the O line has been good enough, I
Speaker 1: guess on the run game and quite bad in past protection.
Speaker 1: But they're limited and they're showing more more than we expected.
Speaker 1: They've got a fun little Thursday night game against the
Speaker 1: Jets coming up. The Jets will be feeling good because
Speaker 1: they will be coming off of victory fourth and goal
Speaker 1: from the fourteen.
Speaker 9: Takes the snap another four man rush, She back pedals,
Speaker 9: looks them.
Speaker 5: Zone fire swad and it is bobbled and dropped short
Speaker 5: of the goal line by Tyler Boyd.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't have been in the end zone anyway. Seventeen
Speaker 1: seconds to go.
Speaker 5: The Jets have the takeaway on downs and they're gonna
Speaker 5: win it here in Nashville.
Speaker 1: W A x Q Bob with Jusey. Why are you laughing?
Speaker 3: We had our second vomit of the That was it.
Speaker 1: That was the vomit I was talking about. I don't
Speaker 1: know who left that one. Someone on the Titans, the Jets.
Speaker 1: Oh there it is.
Speaker 12: This is why you gotta watch on YouTube.
Speaker 3: Right here, We did six vomit replays on today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too much. A lot of vomit lately. Uh,
Speaker 1: Like Muggy us Open had a lot of vomit going on,
Speaker 1: Like Yannick Center was his vomiting all over the place.
Speaker 1: That was a twenty four to seventeen victory by the
Speaker 1: Jets over the Titans in Nashville, a game that was
Speaker 1: very entertaining all over the place. Never had a feel
Speaker 1: of who was gonna win this game? Back and forth,
Speaker 1: and I give Aaron Rodgers and this Jets team a
Speaker 1: lot of credit because I felt like zho to two
Speaker 1: with the Patriots coming up, like it just was getting
Speaker 1: a little anxious there. And in the second half of
Speaker 1: this game, there were a bunch of moments where someone
Speaker 1: had to make a play and Aaron Rodgers and his
Speaker 1: receivers made those play. There was a third and one
Speaker 1: to Garrett Wilson that was awesome where he throws it
Speaker 1: over Wilson's shoulder and he makes like a Willie Mays
Speaker 1: like a catch on a nice throw by Rogers. There
Speaker 1: was another third down conversion to Mike Williams late in
Speaker 1: this game where he made a really nice catch And
Speaker 1: these were just individual plays. It does not feel like
Speaker 1: the scheme is making them win. But when they needed
Speaker 1: to in the second half of this game, Rogers got
Speaker 1: it done. They were able to run the ball, and
Speaker 1: they were able to stop the run. All the things
Speaker 1: that they weren't able to do in Week one, and
Speaker 1: that what they weren't able to do in the first
Speaker 1: half of this game.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also in week one, Breze Hall had a couple of
Speaker 2: drops and then today he comes out makes a great
Speaker 2: catch in the end zone. The quick game really got
Speaker 2: active in the second half, which pressure for Rogers is
Speaker 2: something that we're going to watch all season long, coming
Speaker 2: off that Achilles injury. Under pressure in this game, he
Speaker 2: was two of five for six yards.
Speaker 1: He was zero for three last week. I think under
Speaker 1: pressure was the stat too, and he was really trying
Speaker 1: to get rid of it quickly after a while.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and so to avoid that, we're just trying to
Speaker 2: not have him under pressure at all. But the turnovers
Speaker 2: for will Levis dooming the Titans yet again, not as
Speaker 2: disastrous as last week, but it was another situation where
Speaker 2: will Levis is trying to make a play on third
Speaker 2: down in the red zone, gets undercut, he's in mid
Speaker 2: air and he tries to shovel the all back to
Speaker 2: Tajy Spears and he wants up turn it over in
Speaker 2: the red zone.
Speaker 3: Just like, how do you get that out of a
Speaker 3: particular player.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can, I don't know. After
Speaker 1: the game, Callahan, you know, his coach Brian Kelly and
Speaker 1: said it was dumb. It was the exact same thing
Speaker 1: he did last week and he cost this points. It
Speaker 1: is what is He's a grown up and he knows better.
Speaker 1: So I was really irritated. And yes, everyone who watched
Speaker 1: the game knew how irritated Callahan was when it was
Speaker 1: on the TV.
Speaker 8: Third in goal, lets looking, Levis trip, you're trying to
Speaker 8: shovel it that paul is free leve A chets Haven.
Speaker 8: We saw last week Levis trying to do too much
Speaker 8: that it just happened again.
Speaker 1: Williams jumps on top of it, the absolute clearest what
Speaker 1: the f are you doing? Lip reading going on there
Speaker 1: with Callahan? Great call there by I an eagle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's too bad shock because I know will Evis
Speaker 1: is gonna get picked on all week for that play.
Speaker 1: But he made a lot of really great plays in
Speaker 1: this game too, but that one is the one that
Speaker 1: I'll remember the most.
Speaker 6: Oh, for the love of Tampa Bay, Jamis Winston. Will
Speaker 6: I mean, you just went through a week of surrender
Speaker 6: Cobra shame online and then you go and do this. Look, man,
Speaker 6: hard habit. Their habits are hard to break, okay, and
Speaker 6: this's gonna be a tough one for him to break.
Speaker 6: But I actually think that because I'm looking at the
Speaker 6: box score here and I'm thinking, man, this is a
Speaker 6: very even game. Statistically, say for the turnovers, that's the differential.
Speaker 6: That's usually what's the difference in most football games. I
Speaker 6: mean even Bristol fourteen for sixty two, Tony Pollard seventeen
Speaker 6: for sixty two, like very similar. And then I come
Speaker 6: down to, all right, well, how did the Jets d
Speaker 6: up winning this game on the fourth quarter? Players who
Speaker 6: are experienced, who make plays and don't hurt their team,
Speaker 6: and that's the difference. Like that right there at Gold
Speaker 6: to Go situation, trying to do too much and you
Speaker 6: turn the ball over. Aaron Rodgers not trying to do
Speaker 6: too much in certain situations where he's leading them back,
Speaker 6: you know, from a deficit or trying to take the
Speaker 6: lead on the road.
Speaker 12: It's I think it's that simple.
Speaker 6: And sometimes in these matchups, maybe he'll break that eventually
Speaker 6: as part of his maturation.
Speaker 12: I just spoke highly.
Speaker 6: If Sam Darnold earlier, maybe we could have a similar
Speaker 6: trajectory with Will Levis. But as of right now, this
Speaker 6: is something you're probably going to continue to see until
Speaker 6: he gets pounded into his head that hey, stop doing that,
Speaker 6: just take the sack, don't hurt.
Speaker 12: Us that much. And it sounds like that was the
Speaker 12: difference in this game.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was, And yet look he ends up with
Speaker 1: thirty eight yards on the ground. One was a totally
Speaker 1: great escape to set up an opportunity. Late in this game,
Speaker 1: he had a dime down the field to Calvin Ridley
Speaker 1: that would have been a long touchdown that goes right
Speaker 1: through Calvin Ridley's hands. And then he has another long
Speaker 1: throw to Calvin Ridley that I mean is a beautiful
Speaker 1: throw is also fortunate that it somehow fit through like
Speaker 1: a seeing eyeball, like a key hold where Sauce Gardner was,
Speaker 1: and Calvin Ridley makes an incredible catch that was the
Speaker 1: kind of the experience of Calvin Ridley. He makes the
Speaker 1: impossible catch while diving, but doesn't catch the one right
Speaker 1: to him. And I thought, other than that play, Levis
Speaker 1: played pretty well in this game. But you know, he
Speaker 1: also throws interceptionally and it's just like, yeah, there's nothing perfect.
Speaker 1: And yet just despite like what Levis did for this game,
Speaker 1: and despite the Jets winning this game, they don't feel
Speaker 1: great about it either because they lose Jermaine Johnson to
Speaker 1: what was quickly called an achilles injury. He was very
Speaker 1: emotional being taken off the field and it just that
Speaker 1: did not look good. And then I think it didn't
Speaker 1: get as much attention, but it did to me. CJ.
Speaker 1: Moseley got a toe injury in this game and was
Speaker 1: doubtful pretty quickly, and that's why I was impressed and
Speaker 1: surprised that their run defense turned it around. You mentioned
Speaker 1: how the numbers all looked the same shook, and that
Speaker 1: was right. But in the first half the Titans did
Speaker 1: what I expected. They ran the ball really well and
Speaker 1: the Jets couldn't do anything, and then the second half
Speaker 1: it was reversed. So I thought this was a nicely
Speaker 1: earned win by the Jets because, like I said, Rogers
Speaker 1: wasn't perfect, but when he needed to, those those one
Speaker 1: on one plays to Williams, to Garrett Wilson a couple
Speaker 1: of times, and then the touchdown to Breest Hall, they
Speaker 1: were all impressive. And they took advantage of a punt
Speaker 1: block that was a massive moment in this game too,
Speaker 1: to set up a short field. And they have a
Speaker 1: nice little backfield here with Braylen Allen, who gets two
Speaker 1: touchdowns in this game too, one as a receiver, one
Speaker 1: as a runner, and I think he's a real legit
Speaker 1: player here and yeah, a little fun, there's any football.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to Rodgers, who was in good spirits after
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 2: What does first one is a jet uniform?
Speaker 16: Technically my second We all know that somehow that first
Speaker 16: one counts four important plays. Well I don't know if
Speaker 16: they count on that, but yeah, it feels great.
Speaker 3: It was great, the QB winning real conflict.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yet again the QB wins. You know, not a
Speaker 1: QB stat but a nice moment for Aaron Rodgers. All right,
Speaker 1: let's head to Jacksonville where you're Browns tried to get
Speaker 1: off the schneide from the.
Speaker 23: Thirty three eight seconds. Here's the snap, Lauren. It's under pressure,
Speaker 23: plushed out to the right, Lawrence off his back foot,
Speaker 23: lofting put corn of the end zone, knocked away incomplete.
Speaker 1: No time, No time? Is that gonna do it? Yes,
Speaker 1: it's over.
Speaker 23: Kevin Stefanski runs the midfield and the Browns will survive.
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Speaker 1: Here shook and the Browns fans are didn't expect to
Speaker 1: really sweat it late in this game, but you did no.
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Speaker 6: It was an up and down game for the Browns,
Speaker 6: and in fact, the Browns left a lot of points
Speaker 6: on the field. Deshaun Watson did look better. He led
Speaker 6: a pretty strong opening drive. They commanded this game thanks
Speaker 6: to their defense. The twenty twenty three Browns defense returned
Speaker 6: to form on Sunday. Trevor Lawrence had a really rough
Speaker 6: go in the first half. It was really about I
Speaker 6: think it was five for sixteen for like nineteen yards
Speaker 6: at one point before he hit a twenty four yard
Speaker 6: pass to his tight end, and then the Jaguars found
Speaker 6: life late third early fourth suddenly made it interesting.
Speaker 12: But again the Browns defense comes through.
Speaker 6: They'd been on the field for what felt like the
Speaker 6: entire game, even though Cleveland won the time of possession battle,
Speaker 6: and they get a sack of Trevor Lawrence on for
Speaker 6: a safety which gives them an eighteen to thirteen lead,
Speaker 6: which is ultimately how they won this game. But they
Speaker 6: made it interesting, and it was a game that looked
Speaker 6: they'd still miss Nick Chubb like they had Jerome Ford
Speaker 6: seven for sixty four. Most of that was on one
Speaker 6: long run on a fourth and short where Jameis Winston
Speaker 6: had had QB sneaked in a previous situation, and this
Speaker 6: time they hit it off around the end. Deontay form
Speaker 6: was nice with fourteen for forty two, but this was
Speaker 6: very much not an offensive you know, spectacular there. It
Speaker 6: was just most of the Browns defense returning to form
Speaker 6: and limiting the Jaguars significantly for most of this game,
Speaker 6: and then just clinging on at the end this game
Speaker 6: and nice roadwin amid a sometimes driving rainstorm in Jacksonville
Speaker 6: for the Browns.
Speaker 2: To get to one on one, and you mentioned shook
Speaker 2: them clinging on, there was almost an opportunity for them
Speaker 2: to not cling on. The Jags use their final time
Speaker 2: out with a minute and thirty seven seconds to go.
Speaker 2: They come back in and Kevi Stefanski has Deshaun Watson
Speaker 2: run a bootleg and DeShawn throws the ball away. Josh
Speaker 2: Hans Allen is pressuring him the Jags didn't have any
Speaker 2: more timeouts if he just slides down.
Speaker 3: Then they never even get to.
Speaker 2: The point where Trevor Lawrence is throwing the ball into
Speaker 2: the end zone zeros on the clock.
Speaker 6: Not only did he run a boot leg, he ran
Speaker 6: a bootleg to the left side, like if you're going
Speaker 6: to roll a quarterback out, roll him to his throwing
Speaker 6: arms side. At least it felt like Stefanski trying to
Speaker 6: get a little gutsy in a situation and looked like,
Speaker 6: look at me, the big brain play caller, and it
Speaker 6: almost blew up in their face.
Speaker 12: That happened to them a few times prior to that.
Speaker 6: Patrick The reason they were in that situation because they
Speaker 6: were on a methodical drive where they were gonna put
Speaker 6: that game away. Deontay Foreman is running hard, he picks
Speaker 6: up a first down and gets called for offensive face
Speaker 6: mask and then all hell breaks loose. The Browns get
Speaker 6: called for back to back holdings and suddenly it's like
Speaker 6: third and thirty seven and that's the best thing they
Speaker 6: can come up with when they really should have been
Speaker 6: draining clock.
Speaker 12: So again, fortunate to escape.
Speaker 6: But the Browns defense, after struggling mightily against Dallas last week,
Speaker 6: does look more like it was before, and they get
Speaker 6: the job done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at Watson, who throws the ball thirty
Speaker 1: four times for one hundred and eighty six yards. There's
Speaker 1: no en Joku in this game obviously because he's hurt.
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper has eight targets for eleven yards. It's very early,
Speaker 1: but there has been some Amari Cooper is kind of
Speaker 1: the receiver Josh Jacobs, where his seasons are either like, hey,
Speaker 1: that guy should have maybe made All Pro or his
Speaker 1: fantasy owners are furious at him. And right now it's
Speaker 1: trending towards the fantasy owners are furious at Cooper. But
Speaker 1: we'll see, like, how do you feel about how Watson
Speaker 1: played in this game? And then yeah, Lawrence too going
Speaker 1: fourteen for thirty ends up hitting that big a big
Speaker 1: play to Brian Thomas who only makes big plays a
Speaker 1: sixty six yarder and a twenty eight yarder. I love
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Junior. But yeah, to talk to me about
Speaker 1: how you thought Watson looked.
Speaker 6: Well the Cooper thing. First off, two big drops in
Speaker 6: two weeks. Watson put a ball on the numbers, a
Speaker 6: beautiful throw and he just dropped it.
Speaker 12: So that's concerning.
Speaker 6: He has not really gotten into a rhythm Watson did
Speaker 6: a good job of building a rapport with Jerry Judy,
Speaker 6: who made a couple of really nice key catches on
Speaker 6: third down, including one that was like tipped in the air,
Speaker 6: and he managed to stay in bounce at the sticks
Speaker 6: for a first down the first half.
Speaker 12: That was encouraging to see Elijah Moore got involved.
Speaker 6: David Bell made a nice couple catches, but really, for me,
Speaker 6: from a Watson perspective, it was just the fact that
Speaker 6: he didn't look overwhelmed and sped up and like he
Speaker 6: had no idea what he was doing, which is primarily
Speaker 6: what he looked like in week one, more controlled, composed
Speaker 6: and put the ball on the mark for the most part,
Speaker 6: never really got out of sorts, scrambled a little bit,
Speaker 6: and did a much better job of kind of like
Speaker 6: game managing, but a little bit more than that, which
Speaker 6: is anything positive for the Browns will take it considering
Speaker 6: where he's come from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is encouraging. And these are two teams where
Speaker 1: to me it just especially with the fan bases, there
Speaker 1: was like a certain sort of desperate that just like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, the vibes were really off for both teams,
Speaker 1: and the Jaguars now are the team where.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the vibes are down horrendous.
Speaker 2: If you go back to week thirteen, the Jags have
Speaker 2: won one of their last seven games, and the team
Speaker 2: that they beat was the Panthers, So they're tied.
Speaker 3: That doesn't over that stretch that they get the tiebreaker
Speaker 3: because they have to win.
Speaker 1: They're gonna start maybe not even considering Panthers wins as
Speaker 1: actual wins in the standings. You'll get like three quarters
Speaker 1: of a win or something. Just because we we love
Speaker 1: Andrews so much. Let's listen to his call of a
Speaker 1: big time safety in this game.
Speaker 23: Trevor Lawrence shotgun in the end zone with ETN to
Speaker 23: his right. First down, here's the snap back to throw
Speaker 23: under pressure.
Speaker 1: Alex Wright's got him. He throws them out of the
Speaker 1: back of the end zone. Safety. I love it. Built
Speaker 1: for that, absolutely also built for it, Nick suck. So, Nick,
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do here. We're gonna give you just
Speaker 1: a little little bit of a breathe. It's like you're
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs today. You have like thirty carries. You're gonna
Speaker 1: take the next couple of games off. We're gonna bring
Speaker 1: in Kevin Patrick for a couple and then we'll bring
Speaker 1: you back for the rest of the show. So we
Speaker 1: will see you in a second, and yeah, everyone listening,
Speaker 1: will be back with Kevin Patrick coming at you after
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Speaker 1: and back on the show, Kevin Patrick coming at you.
Speaker 1: So when we were the Around the NFL podcast, we
Speaker 1: often had Kevin Patra on on Sunday nights and he
Speaker 1: would often talk about the Lions. And that was a
Speaker 1: tough era of Lions football. There was a whole season
Speaker 1: there where, yeah, it was hard to find wins. And
Speaker 1: I thought, we're gonna have Patrick back in in this
Speaker 1: new era of Lions football, and we're gonna talk bucks
Speaker 1: Lions and it's gonna be great. And yet we're leading
Speaker 1: with the highlight of Baker Mayfield running around like he's
Speaker 1: Sonny Jurgensen.
Speaker 9: Empty backfield for Mayfield now picks that left leg barton
Speaker 9: the center, snaps the ball bill high.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a quarterback run by Bayfield.
Speaker 22: Inside the five, three to the two tall on touchdown
Speaker 22: Tapathay Baker Mayfield back to back runs and the Bucks
Speaker 22: we take the lead.
Speaker 1: W f us Jean decker Hoff, Yeah, Kevin, sorry about
Speaker 1: this one, but uh love having you on and uh
Speaker 1: just the Lions guy. You're an incisive analyst. So tell
Speaker 1: me where it went wrong for your guys here today.
Speaker 24: Well, let's put it this way. Todd Bowles crew came
Speaker 24: in and out gritted Dan Campbell's got I mean the
Speaker 24: Lions gained almost two hundred and fifty yards more, twelve
Speaker 24: more first sounds. The defense sacked of five times to
Speaker 24: zero sacks for the Bucks. It was just very lopsided
Speaker 24: and the Lions found a way to shoot themselves in
Speaker 24: the foot at every turn, basically, whether it was the
Speaker 24: end of the half, coming down and not getting a
Speaker 24: field goal that would have changed the complete context at
Speaker 24: the end of the game where they were now having
Speaker 24: to go for a touchdown and instead of kicking a
Speaker 24: field goal to go up and have the lead. Late
Speaker 24: Jared Goff looked skittish again, kind of like he did
Speaker 24: last week, even though they didn't have any sacks. Every
Speaker 24: time he got pressure on him, he just threw it
Speaker 24: to No.
Speaker 10: One.
Speaker 24: His second touchdown was pretty bad. Either there was really
Speaker 24: bad miscommunication with where Tim Patrick was supposed to go,
Speaker 24: or he just panic bailed and through it because there
Speaker 24: was a guy in his face.
Speaker 1: Panic bailed is kind of what he does, even in
Speaker 1: good times. They've done a good job protecting him. And yeah,
Speaker 1: he had those the turnovers last week. That's concerning. You
Speaker 1: mean the interception there, that the second interception by Goff,
Speaker 1: And yeah, I didn't realize it was so dramatic. I
Speaker 1: guess if you're gonna lose, you feel better about it
Speaker 1: if you more than double the other team's yardage. And yeah,
Speaker 1: the Bucks only had two hundred and sixteen yards in
Speaker 1: this game, and yet you know they also were short
Speaker 1: a lot of players. Patrick, including via Devea, gets hurt
Speaker 1: in this game.
Speaker 3: And it's not just that.
Speaker 2: Coming into this game, I thought that the Buccaneers had
Speaker 2: a great chance to win. Then we get the reports
Speaker 2: that Antoine Winfield Junior is going to be out for
Speaker 2: an extended period of time. And then, as you mentioned,
Speaker 2: Videvea goes down against the team that can absolutely run
Speaker 2: the ball against anybody, and you're thinking, well, here comes Detroit,
Speaker 2: but ultimately Baker Mayfield. The play before that touchdown run,
Speaker 2: there was another eleven yard run by Baker Mayfield, which
Speaker 2: is probably why he called his own number. On the
Speaker 2: very next play, he puts his foot in the turf
Speaker 2: and absolutely dusts a defender. Just that nasty the right
Speaker 2: man from Baker Mayfield on the play before that. They
Speaker 2: made the plays down the stretch until until ultimately they did.
Speaker 2: There's a weird decision where one of two teams today
Speaker 2: inside of a minute who inexplicably threw the ball when
Speaker 2: another team only had one time out.
Speaker 3: It gave Detroit another chance, but it was just it
Speaker 3: was too much Baker making key plays and key moments.
Speaker 24: Yeah, I think the Lions came in thinking they could
Speaker 24: throw the ball over that you know, hurt secondary, and
Speaker 24: then you didn't see them even really try to run.
Speaker 24: And then vidave and it's like vitavea when I was like, oh,
Speaker 24: we can run the ball now, and you got David
Speaker 24: Montgomery started getting going, and it just I understood the
Speaker 24: game plan, but it clearly wasn't going to work, even
Speaker 24: even against the secondary. And credit credit Todd Bowles defense.
Speaker 24: They you know, they came and made some plays at
Speaker 24: the end, especially the secondary, but it just can't get
Speaker 24: out of this loss without thinking that the Lions pooped
Speaker 24: the bed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is one that they will regret. The intercept
Speaker 1: for golf. Yeah, to me, here are pretty decisive in
Speaker 1: a game that they're moving the ball. But at halftime,
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell speaks to Laura Oakman. You know, they're now
Speaker 1: required a few more in game interviews, and we actually
Speaker 1: got something pretty fun out of this one.
Speaker 3: Listen on the head coach here, all right, totally screwed.
Speaker 2: My team is at his mind, we're going for the Clockett,
Speaker 2: It's not a hurricane, and I made a decision that
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have made, and our team's gonna have to
Speaker 2: overcome it.
Speaker 3: That's the bottom line.
Speaker 1: M They did not, Kevin. That was like a game
Speaker 1: management situation where they kind of blew the clock at
Speaker 1: the end of the first half. Like, yeah, what have
Speaker 1: you kind of thought about the Campbell experience and that
Speaker 1: that situation and just just everything about how this team
Speaker 1: sort of started this season.
Speaker 24: Well, I mean, you take the good with the bat.
Speaker 24: I think Campbell does have that little game management issue
Speaker 24: he always has. He's gotten better, but it's still something
Speaker 24: that pops its head up every once in a while,
Speaker 24: kind of like the timeout in the San Francisco game
Speaker 24: in the playoffs when they could not afford to take
Speaker 24: a time out at the end at the end of
Speaker 24: the game. But you know, he also is himself, and
Speaker 24: he you know, went for a fake pun on fourth
Speaker 24: and twelve and is backed up in his own end
Speaker 24: zone and they went forward again on fourth down and
Speaker 24: then that drive stalled out. So I mean, you take
Speaker 24: the good with the bad. I think this team still
Speaker 24: has a lot of positivity. The offense needs to wake up.
Speaker 24: It still just looks a little off, a little rusty,
Speaker 24: because like last year, last week we saw a lot
Speaker 24: of offenses look rusty since they didn't play in the preseason,
Speaker 24: and then they kind of kicked it into gear this week.
Speaker 24: The Lions are still one of those that I think
Speaker 24: needs to find their way, and that's why I was
Speaker 24: surprised that they didn't come out pounding the ball on
Speaker 24: the ground, even against the good Bucks run defense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jamison Williams has a long catch in this game,
Speaker 1: ends up with only five for seven to nine only.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a good game. But after the big
Speaker 1: play early, you thought he might have right mon right,
Speaker 1: Saint Brown got a little banged up in this game,
Speaker 1: but he had eleven for one hundred and nineteen yards.
Speaker 1: So we'll just keep an eye on Saint Brown. And yeah,
Speaker 1: just shout out to Chris gotto it. And I noticed
Speaker 1: that on tape last week that he's had a lot
Speaker 1: of injuries in his career, and I thought he had
Speaker 1: lost some juice and it might be one of those
Speaker 1: things where he's now more than a year away from
Speaker 1: those major injuries and he's got a lot of that
Speaker 1: juice back. Seven for one seventeen and he's so effective
Speaker 1: out of the slot. They have a great one to
Speaker 1: two combination. And look, the NFC South does a great
Speaker 1: one to two combination. We have two of the better
Speaker 1: teams in the league so far in the NFC South.
Speaker 1: The Bucks are two and oh and the Saints are
Speaker 1: two and oh. After going to Dallas and put it
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys, Derek Carr hit me.
Speaker 3: Under center's car play action for Jamal Williams is.
Speaker 25: Looking deep, but he's drawing deep and he's going for
Speaker 25: shaheed Shahey.
Speaker 1: Thanks the guts to fuck Goose, say good light a far.
Speaker 3: No flax seventy yards.
Speaker 2: You can be.
Speaker 3: Greedy, my friend, because it makes fy touchdown.
Speaker 1: That is Mike Coss of w w L. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: just throw a perfectly placed bomb to Receid to heat
Speaker 1: in the first quarter of every game this year, Derek Carr,
Speaker 1: let's due fifty seven yard touchdown later to Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 1: In this game, they win forty four to seventeen. They
Speaker 1: put up thirty in the first half for the second
Speaker 1: week in row thirty five, this time actually five straight touchdows.
Speaker 1: They start their season on offense when Carr has the
Speaker 1: ball with fifteen straight scoring drives. What the heck is
Speaker 1: happening in this New Orleans Saints team, Kevin patra, I mean,
Speaker 1: they are the story of the NFL through two weeks.
Speaker 5: They have to be.
Speaker 24: And Clint Kubiak is already getting his own float. It's
Speaker 24: sort of it's gonna happen like they're gonna throw a
Speaker 24: parade for him and only him. Because this offense is
Speaker 24: completely different than what we saw last year. We hoped
Speaker 24: that was gonna be the case coming in, but in
Speaker 24: the preseason and what we got was kind of like, ugh,
Speaker 24: and you know, Dennis s Aalen kept saying, well, this
Speaker 24: is what it's going to look like. But we don't
Speaker 24: necessarily always believe what Dennis Salnd says. So but the
Speaker 24: for through two weeks, they've been phenomenal. Like you said,
Speaker 24: fifteen straight. They scored six straight touchdowns to open the game,
Speaker 24: and it was over by then. I didn't even think
Speaker 24: Dak played that badly. He got his receiver tripped on
Speaker 24: the first interception and then he just was playing heave
Speaker 24: ball with it during the second one. I didn't think
Speaker 24: their offense played that badly. They just stalled out and
Speaker 24: kicked field goals. But the Saints, when Alvin Kamara can
Speaker 24: get to the edge, it's just game over. And he
Speaker 24: had one of those like magic runs that he usually
Speaker 24: does where he came out through the other side of
Speaker 24: the hole that you didn't see and he just slid
Speaker 24: off and tackler and he scored his fourth touchdown. Like
Speaker 24: he is a perfect fit for this offense. And I
Speaker 24: think Carr is becoming confident. You can see the confidence
Speaker 24: oozing from everyone. Every one, like Crystal Lobby is making
Speaker 24: contested catches and blocking his butt off on the runs.
Speaker 24: It's just up, up and down the roster. The offense
Speaker 24: has been ridiculous.
Speaker 3: And also maybe Trevor Pinning was sandbagging last.
Speaker 1: Year excellent, excellent, and training camp practices he was sandbagging
Speaker 1: when everyone there was like he was struggling, and preseason
Speaker 1: he was sandbagging.
Speaker 2: I mean, just over the course of the game, you're wondering, like, hey,
Speaker 2: are Micah Parsons and Tank Lawrence playing in this game?
Speaker 2: I mean there was a late I mean not not
Speaker 2: a late hit, but Derek Carr did get hit, at
Speaker 2: least he got touched on that touchdown pass to Rashid Shih'd.
Speaker 2: But but after that, just the play calls as well.
Speaker 2: And oddly enough, Alva Kamara's uh seven touchdown game, excuse me,
Speaker 2: six touchdown game also came against the Mike Zimber defense.
Speaker 2: And then he has a chance to get five Derek
Speaker 2: Carr sneaks one in instead of a handoff to Kamara,
Speaker 2: but that could have easily been five touchdowns. It's just
Speaker 2: like pick and choose what's going on here? And then
Speaker 2: on the other side, yeah, I mean, Dak Prescott is
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott, right, they get pressure on him. He completes
Speaker 2: almost all of his passes under pressure, gets a touchdown
Speaker 2: as well, has a perfect passer hitting under pressure. But
Speaker 2: as Patrick pointed out, there's just this's the second consecutive
Speaker 2: game in AT and T Stadium where the team has
Speaker 2: scored more than twenty eight points in the first half.
Speaker 2: All right, the Packers came in and did it, and
Speaker 2: the Saints have come in and done it again. You
Speaker 2: changed defensive coordinators. It didn't seem to matter for Dallas today.
Speaker 24: Well, Dallas is the run game. I think is becoming
Speaker 24: an issue for no run game because they can't convert
Speaker 24: those third and shorts and then they're kicking long field goals.
Speaker 24: It's a massive zeke. There is a huge committee, Like
Speaker 24: they all took like five snaps and like so there's
Speaker 24: no there's no issue. And then by the time the
Speaker 24: second half rolled around, they were just in chuck it
Speaker 24: all over the park mode because they were down so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, be careful, you know it when you can't run
Speaker 1: the ball, Like, it's hard to play with a lead.
Speaker 1: I think it is hard to make comeback because of
Speaker 1: what you said, you need to be effective in short
Speaker 1: yarded situations, and I don't. I think they were just
Speaker 1: pretty surprised, as we all are, for the Saints offense
Speaker 1: to put it on them like that in the first half.
Speaker 1: I mean, when Jamal Williams is going eight for thirty nine,
Speaker 1: I'm just I think that's the blocking. Like I could
Speaker 1: not believe watching the tape over and you can see
Speaker 1: it in the highlights today too, from the Saints last
Speaker 1: week and then also today, how cohesive the offensive line
Speaker 1: looks doing the zone blocking on those outside zone runs
Speaker 1: because you can see it. You don't need to be
Speaker 1: an expert. The synchronicity is there. They're all running in
Speaker 1: unison and Kamara is the perfect running back as you said,
Speaker 1: Patrick for it. He has one hundred and seventy yards
Speaker 1: from scrimmage in this game and four touchdowns. The agenda
Speaker 1: that I've had the last two years that I've been
Speaker 1: put that have just been pushing that. Like I swear
Speaker 1: if you watch the film, Alvin Kamara is not washed.
Speaker 1: Like maybe he's missing that last little extra gear to
Speaker 1: take the long runs. But if he had some blocking,
Speaker 1: he would be getting eights and twelves and fifteens because
Speaker 1: he makes guys miss and now he's not getting touched
Speaker 1: for the first four or five yards. He's making good reads.
Speaker 1: He's one of the smarting smartest running backs I think
Speaker 1: of all time. Let's just listen to another Alvin Kamara
Speaker 1: touchdown call, just because it's fun to.
Speaker 3: Second and seven. Shihat in motion across the formations. Bar
Speaker 3: takes the snaff most the thrown. Here comes pressure. He
Speaker 3: hits Camara across the camera.
Speaker 25: Win the wrong don't sign Dallas Coding thirty five Carty
Speaker 25: Gulla paka you la going against him, not Alvin Camaro,
Speaker 25: See you later, Bar touchdown Alvin Camaro fifty seven yards.
Speaker 1: This is a Saints offensive line that invested a lot
Speaker 1: of high picks in their line, including Talise Fuaga, and
Speaker 1: it's it's happening. They were without marsha On Latimore in
Speaker 1: this game and they still got it done. Tyron Matthew
Speaker 1: another game where he gets a turnover, So that's two
Speaker 1: weeks in a row. Kind of keeping an eye on,
Speaker 1: like every three or four years, Honey Badger pops up
Speaker 1: with like a first team All Pro year. He's gonna
Speaker 1: have one of the craziest Hall of Fame canadacies someday
Speaker 1: because he's got the first team All pros and the
Speaker 1: game changing plays in the Super Bowl ring to do it.
Speaker 1: So this could be a monster season for him. And
Speaker 1: just before we go, I just want to mention every
Speaker 1: week on this show, I'm gonna mention what's the throw
Speaker 1: of the year so far? Because people were questioning me
Speaker 1: when I said Anthony Richardson had that throw in the
Speaker 1: first quarter of the first game of the year, and
Speaker 1: I said that might be the throw of the year.
Speaker 1: And every week on this show, we're going to have
Speaker 1: a belt for what the throw of the year. And
Speaker 1: the candidate for this week is that car throw that
Speaker 1: we led this game with to Shahed in stride while
Speaker 1: getting hit, just before getting hit, all the way down
Speaker 1: the heel the field to Shahed. Do you guys think
Speaker 1: that is a better throw than the Anthony Richardson throw
Speaker 1: from week one?
Speaker 26: No?
Speaker 1: No, okay, it was great. It was the best one
Speaker 1: I saw today. You know, someone can come at me
Speaker 1: if they saw someone better. That was a ridiculously good throw.
Speaker 1: But Rat Richardson keeps the belt. He's got the belt
Speaker 1: for at least oh and two. But he's got the
Speaker 1: belt one more week. Uh, Patra, you're keeping the belt there.
Speaker 1: I know you're playing somewhat hurt tonight. There's you know,
Speaker 1: family drama going on there with just a just.
Speaker 24: A baby sick. No drama took us a sick just
Speaker 24: a sick toddler.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just say it like you're gonna give me
Speaker 1: in trouble. Vomiting was the theme of Uh, we've had
Speaker 1: a good bit of it season. And yeah, I love
Speaker 1: uh love that picture in your background of you and
Speaker 1: and your beautiful wife, uh Bree. And so it's great
Speaker 1: to have you on NFL Daily, Patra, and we will
Speaker 1: do it again. So we're gonna say goodbye to Patra
Speaker 1: uh for a minute. We're gonna welcome uh Nick shook
Speaker 1: Beck in on the other side, and we're gonna hear
Speaker 1: one of my favorite touchdown calls of the entire day
Speaker 1: in Arizona.
Speaker 9: Snap to Murray three step drop looking left now in trouble,
Speaker 9: spins left now, steps up, running left, Murray breaks a
Speaker 9: tackle looking ends on firing left side, a sliding.
Speaker 11: Touch for a touchdown, and it's Higgins making the grab.
Speaker 1: Tyler Murray does it again. More Murray magic.
Speaker 9: I have absolutely no idea what to say about bad play.
Speaker 1: I don't either, because when you drop up the dot,
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's dot just goes in a figure eight and
Speaker 1: then around and through and it was part of what
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say. It was a magical first half
Speaker 1: by this Cardinals offense. The Cardinals get it done forty
Speaker 1: one to ten. Kyler Murray has a perfect passer rating
Speaker 1: on the day, first Cardinals quarterback to do that since
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner. It was thirty one to three early in
Speaker 1: the third quarter before the Rams even touched the ball
Speaker 1: after halftime, and everything that the Cardinals wanted to be
Speaker 1: this year was in this game. James Connor, Kyler Murray,
Speaker 1: and Amari de Marcado combined to rush for two hundred
Speaker 1: and two twenty seven yards just between the three of them,
Speaker 1: which is that's big time on only twenty eight carries.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like a bunch of forties in a fifties.
Speaker 1: It was a whole lot of eight and tens and twelves.
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray also five for five on throws over twenty
Speaker 1: air yards for one hundred and fifty six yards and
Speaker 1: three touchdowns. I mean, he was just incredible. Patrick. And
Speaker 1: we'll get to the negative Rams side of this, but
Speaker 1: I do just want to give the Cardinals their full
Speaker 1: amount of love. They've been in the darkness here for
Speaker 1: a little while, and it really feels like this is
Speaker 1: a matchup. They've been blown out so many times that
Speaker 1: maybe this is their time. That's like, hey, we're not
Speaker 1: one of the worst teams in the league anymore.
Speaker 2: No, And it was emphatic Kyler tweeting a yawn emoji
Speaker 2: like seconds after the game ended. They couldn't get to
Speaker 2: him on the touchdown that you mentioned. And then all
Speaker 2: the talk coming off of last week didn't see Marvin
Speaker 2: Harrison Junior in the end zone, people taking his quote
Speaker 2: out of context of him saying, hey, it's not my
Speaker 2: job just to feed Marvin Harris and it's my job
Speaker 2: to read the defense.
Speaker 3: Well, he did both. He did both today had the
Speaker 3: bomb to Marvin and then it's.
Speaker 1: Just four for one, thirty for two touchdowns for Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 1: I probably should have mentioned that too, like there were
Speaker 1: so many superlatives.
Speaker 2: To get to, but ultimately it's it's just one of
Speaker 2: those things where healthy Kyler, you have to defend the
Speaker 2: play twice and we said that a lot of guys
Speaker 2: run nobody scrambles like this where on the play you mentioned,
Speaker 2: there's three guys diving at diving at his ankles and
Speaker 2: getting nothing but air, and then Kyler just pops right up.
Speaker 2: He's he's neo matrixing, dodging people with his slides, like
Speaker 2: when he puts it all together shook. It's like, wait,
Speaker 2: how do they not win every game?
Speaker 6: So I live near a cemetery here, and I promise
Speaker 6: this will be connected. And I often spend my time
Speaker 6: watching cats, groundhogs and squirrels chase each other around this cemetery.
Speaker 6: That is Kyler Murray scrambling. You can pick any one
Speaker 6: of those three creatures. That's Kyler Murray scrambling. You can't
Speaker 6: catch him.
Speaker 1: Wait, you can't see that while walking by er? Do
Speaker 1: you go there to seek it out? Just for some
Speaker 1: like late night under Oh no, it's.
Speaker 12: In view from the home.
Speaker 1: I see it all the time.
Speaker 6: And before the trees got cut down, the groundhogs used
Speaker 6: to climb the trees. It's crazy out here in Cleveland.
Speaker 6: But that is Kyler Murray scrambling. And the beauty of
Speaker 6: it is that he knows how to keep his eyes downfield.
Speaker 6: We saw this last week in Buffalo, and as I'm
Speaker 6: watching that game, I'm thinking, Man, I can't wait to
Speaker 6: watch this guy play football all year. I think I
Speaker 6: even wrote that in QB Index, which you can check
Speaker 6: out at NFL dot com slash QB index.
Speaker 1: Nice plug.
Speaker 12: And so I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 6: This game and I turn it on and before you
Speaker 6: know it, it's fourteen to nothing and it's two touchdown
Speaker 6: passes to the guy that he couldn't see last week
Speaker 6: in as Gus Johnson has famously called him, Maserati mars
Speaker 6: like Marvin Harrison gets going, he's force feeding him early
Speaker 6: and then he just settles into the offense and they're
Speaker 6: a machine rolling through the rams like they had no
Speaker 6: answer for him. So it's a beautiful thing to watch
Speaker 6: Kyler when he's healthy, operate this offense and see the
Speaker 6: Cardinals kind of just develop under Jonathan Gannon and take
Speaker 6: these next step forward. I'm not gonna say they're gonna
Speaker 6: put this type of point total up every week, forty
Speaker 6: one points. You don't see that every week from every team.
Speaker 6: But that is, like like Patrick said, you got to
Speaker 6: defend the plate twice. That's what makes him special. That's
Speaker 6: why they paid him that money, and that's why I
Speaker 6: think we all forgot about him last year because he
Speaker 6: was you know, hurt for the first half of the
Speaker 6: year coming back from injury, and now we should all
Speaker 6: be paying attention to then, not because they're gonna win
Speaker 6: a ton of games necessarily, but because they're gonna be
Speaker 6: fun to watch. Now we start to finish every week
Speaker 6: because of Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1: Who knows. Now this is a division matchup, and we'll
Speaker 1: see how the defense holds up every week. They got
Speaker 1: they got after Matthew Stafford. In this game, the Rams
Speaker 1: only with two hundred and forty five total yards. The
Speaker 1: Cardinals go seven point nine yards for play, four hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty nine yards. That's some twenty nineteen stats.
Speaker 3: Bring it.
Speaker 1: Bringing offense back the Arizona Cardinals. I absolutely love it well.
Speaker 2: Coming into the game, the reason I picked the Rams
Speaker 2: was because the Rams young defensive line played great against
Speaker 2: Detroit and I asked who was going to provide pressure
Speaker 2: for the Arizona Cardinals. They answer was Dennis Gardnick. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he had three sacks today. He got pressure on twenty
Speaker 2: five percent of his pass rushes. He got four pressures.
Speaker 2: So you do the map, he's only he's only got
Speaker 2: twelve pass rush snaps and he's coming through getting three
Speaker 2: sacks out of those getting all those barbarians. They were
Speaker 2: solid on defense on Zavian Collins played a good game
Speaker 2: as well and just really bothered the Rams.
Speaker 3: But the issue with the Rams is that they've all
Speaker 3: fallen apart Gregon. It's hard hurt. They're so hurt.
Speaker 1: Right, So rob Havenstein does return for this game. He's
Speaker 1: their swing tackle, but they've had so many injuries up front,
Speaker 1: and then they lose Cooper Cup during this game to
Speaker 1: what was called an ankle injury. He was seen leaving
Speaker 1: with a boot. It happened on his last catch of
Speaker 1: the game, which was I believe it was the second
Speaker 1: quarter where was a twenty four yard catch and run
Speaker 1: and defender fell on his ankle. He ends up with
Speaker 1: four for thirty seven. So suddenly you know, DeMarcus Robinson
Speaker 1: to two at well. Jordan Winnington and Tyler Johnson are
Speaker 1: the receivers. The running game gets absolutely nothing done. Kyron
Speaker 1: Williams actually gets out gained by Blake Korham because they
Speaker 1: gave Koram some garbage time snaps late when they finally
Speaker 1: took Stafford out. One of those guardex sacs was a
Speaker 1: force fumble on Stafford with like a minutes left when
Speaker 1: they're trailing forty one to ten. It was absolutely crazy
Speaker 1: that he was still playing at that point when this
Speaker 1: is the team that doesn't play any of their guys.
Speaker 1: Just a brutal day for the Rams, and it's gonna
Speaker 1: get more brutal because if they listened to our text
Speaker 1: report here from Jordan Rodrieg. Of course NFL dailies Jordan
Speaker 1: rodrig she's texting her thoughts from Rams game, and well,
Speaker 1: she seems pretty harsh and I get it, like she
Speaker 1: writes the Arizona Awards Offensive Identity and these are her
Speaker 1: words on its sleeve. At the end of last year,
Speaker 1: all spring and summer, and the Rams defense still seemed
Speaker 1: totally unprepared to counter the heavier stuff and their run multiplicity.
Speaker 1: Jordan says, I even asked Reley about this directly last week,
Speaker 1: and they just did not seem prepared going ball control.
Speaker 1: He acknowledged all that, and they still look so unprepared.
Speaker 1: Sean McVay didn't directly answer when I asked him if
Speaker 1: he felt his defense was adequately prepared for how Arizona
Speaker 1: would attack them. I am a gas that a team
Speaker 1: so often ahead of the schmatic curve doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: be built to counter heavier run concepts and personnel so
Speaker 1: many teams are using. And yeah, when you think about
Speaker 1: who's in the division, the forty nine Ers will certainly
Speaker 1: send some of that. So this Rams run defense kind
Speaker 1: of got ran off the field at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the game. And yeah, Jordan mentions also the offensive line
Speaker 1: was a disaster. One of the worst Rams games that
Speaker 1: you can possibly imagine. Zero to two for the first
Speaker 1: time since two thousand and eleven, and somehow this is
Speaker 1: their first loss at Arizona since twenty fourteen, and yeah,
Speaker 1: giving up forty one points doing it. They have the
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers next week, and so it's getting late
Speaker 1: early for the Rams. That is also true of the
Speaker 1: home team. In the next game, we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: the paper bags were out in Carolinas.
Speaker 27: To Dobbins trying to stretch it.
Speaker 3: It's got the corner.
Speaker 5: Dobbins left sideline thirty twenty one man to be cuts
Speaker 5: in side ten by the episode Touchdown, Chargers.
Speaker 28: Shake k Dobbins, Gary Anderson Brooks. That was Gary Anderson
Speaker 28: old school flip into the end zone.
Speaker 1: I love the reference by Matt money Smith and Daniel
Speaker 1: Jeremiah k y Sr Dickey Dobbins with the forty three
Speaker 1: yard touchdowner. I guess he's just gonna have like a
Speaker 1: big ol' run. Every single week's Dobbins Nation population at
Speaker 1: least two. Me and Spice Rack. We're loving it. But
Speaker 1: everyone's welcome. If you listen to the NFL Daily, you're
Speaker 1: in Dobbins Nation too. Phil Wesseling a big Ohio State fan.
Speaker 1: I know he's a big Dobbins guy. Making it happen.
Speaker 1: This was exactly Patrick how Jim Harbaugh would want to
Speaker 1: draw it up. Just squeeze the life out of him, defensively,
Speaker 1: run the ball for what two hundred and nineteen yards
Speaker 1: and the kind of a ho hum twenty six to
Speaker 1: three victory for the.
Speaker 2: Chart And on that flip into the end zone where
Speaker 2: JK Dobbins lands directly on his back. After the game,
Speaker 2: Joe Ortiz, the GM for the Chargers, said, hey, no
Speaker 2: more flips. JK dobbins flipping career into the end zone
Speaker 2: comes to a close and his yards per carry craters.
Speaker 3: He was at thirteen last week.
Speaker 2: Now he's down to a pedestrian seven point seven yards
Speaker 2: per carry. In this resurgent comeback, season comeback Player of
Speaker 2: the Year candidate early on JK Dobbins, and really there
Speaker 2: was only a couple of bright spots for Carolina in
Speaker 2: this game.
Speaker 4: J C.
Speaker 2: Horn had an interception, then comes right back, gets toasted
Speaker 2: by Quentin johnston Is hand fighting him down on the
Speaker 2: goal line. Justin Herbert hits him for a touchdown. Pass
Speaker 2: there there was. It was very difficult for Bryce Young
Speaker 2: and the offense to really get anything going. He throws
Speaker 2: ball twenty six times, eighteen completions for just eighty four yards.
Speaker 2: Deontay Johnson had had some issues getting away from defenders.
Speaker 2: Adam Thielen beats him in that regard, but again, there's
Speaker 2: not a lot of passing numbers to go around. And
Speaker 2: then Chewba Hubbard gets six point four yards of carry.
Speaker 2: Some of that comes late. It's just where do you
Speaker 2: find the positivity for Carolina. Dave can Allis comes out
Speaker 2: after the game says Bryce is still our quarterback.
Speaker 3: So there's that they're sticking with none.
Speaker 1: It's crazy that we're in week two and he's saying
Speaker 1: that about the number one overall draft pick from last season.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel bad for him, obviously. It's uncomfortable
Speaker 1: to watch. He just seems a little out of it,
Speaker 1: And I think it shouldn't get lost that these two
Speaker 1: games this year are magnitudes worse than his average game
Speaker 1: last year, and I would say would rank maybe even
Speaker 1: worse than anything we saw. Let's put up just the
Speaker 1: next and chart of his passes. If you have him
Speaker 1: eric behind the glass, and you just see a guy
Speaker 1: that literally didn't attempt a pass that went over twelve
Speaker 1: air yards, much less complete one. Everything is near the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, like like Patrick said, twenty six attempts
Speaker 1: for eighty four yards and he just looked lost. He
Speaker 1: was asked about a possible, you know, lack of confidence
Speaker 1: after the game, and he said he was confident in
Speaker 1: the Lord. And I just see almost even with his
Speaker 1: like footbar footwork. My friend dat boy Wolf on Twitter
Speaker 1: pointed this out, but I was watching it too, Like
Speaker 1: even his drop look like his drop back from center
Speaker 1: and shotgun look weird, like they're in slow motion. Just
Speaker 1: something's funky here, shook. And I actually think it would
Speaker 1: help him maybe to sit him down for a couple
Speaker 1: of games. But I guess, why would you think it
Speaker 1: would be better when he comes back? I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just a very difficult situation.
Speaker 12: That's the issue. Is the only way you're gonna get
Speaker 12: better is getting more reps.
Speaker 6: Like it's just you worry if I think about this
Speaker 6: with Justin Fields and the way he played in Chicago, Like,
Speaker 6: are you gonna break him? I don't know if the
Speaker 6: Bears broke him, but I'm worried that the Panthers are
Speaker 6: breaking you know, Bryce Young with the way that he's
Speaker 6: played so far this year and last year, because for
Speaker 6: you to describe his first two starts as exponentially worse
Speaker 6: than last year last year was already really ugly. I
Speaker 6: look at the pressure numbers today, one for six or
Speaker 6: fifteen yards in a pick, and he's clearly not comfortable,
Speaker 6: you know, in the pocket or at the speed of
Speaker 6: this game. And it's only getting worse for them. So, like,
Speaker 6: where do you go from here other than continue to
Speaker 6: play him and hope that something turns around. Dave Canalis
Speaker 6: is supposed to be the guy that's going to get
Speaker 6: him back on track, and through two weeks they've been
Speaker 6: completely uncompetitive. They have not stood a chance against either
Speaker 6: of these teams they've played, and it seems like Bryce
Speaker 6: is only getting worse. So the only thing you do
Speaker 6: is keep trying. And before you define insanity, I guess right.
Speaker 1: His literal first throw of this season, I don't want
Speaker 1: to get it lost was an interception that was last week,
Speaker 1: like his first throw, his second play of the season.
Speaker 1: Last week he ran into his own teammate butt fumble style.
Speaker 1: He didn't fumble the ball, but he ran into like
Speaker 1: it was just almost like he started with this crazy
Speaker 1: negativity and then today the game starts five for seven. Okay,
Speaker 1: that sounds good for twelve yards an interception, we go
Speaker 1: positive to get to the tar side of it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Patrick or no?
Speaker 2: You want to talk price, Well, I mean it's it's
Speaker 2: a negative for the Panthers, but it's it's the fact
Speaker 2: that it's not that like their defense is keeping them
Speaker 2: in these games and then Bryce is wrecking them at
Speaker 2: the end. Quinton Johnston's second touchdown. We had two Quinton
Speaker 2: Johnston touchdowns today for the Chargers. He's running across the
Speaker 2: zone in the back of the end zone and the
Speaker 2: Panthers defenders just release him to turf. It's like, all right,
Speaker 2: the turf will get that guy. And the turf did
Speaker 2: not get that guy.
Speaker 1: Let's listen. I haven't heard this one, but now that
Speaker 1: I know more about that play, I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: how Money called.
Speaker 27: It, Chargers three to five on third down. This is
Speaker 27: the eleventh play of the drive. Dobbins in the backfield,
Speaker 27: Disley inhearsed to the right, qu to the left, Herbert
Speaker 27: play action to throw end zone wide open touchdown, Chargers.
Speaker 27: How about a two touchdown game for Quinton Shohnston as
Speaker 27: it's twelve zero bolts.
Speaker 1: I just love that man's voice. But before we say
Speaker 1: goodbye to this cursed game, and yeah, the the Boo
Speaker 1: Birds were out pretty hardcore, not a surprise. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a situation where fans just stopped showing up at
Speaker 1: Panthers game. That certainly started happening last year a little bit.
Speaker 1: And then that there were paper bags, which you never
Speaker 1: want to see. I do want to give a little
Speaker 1: love to Joey Bosa, who I think we maybe mentioned
Speaker 1: his stats on the show last week, but when I
Speaker 1: rewatched that game, was like, oh my god, Joey Bosa.
Speaker 1: When Joey Bosa is actually healthy, he's one of the
Speaker 1: best players in the NFL, and he had a big
Speaker 1: time sacking this game. After being questionable on the injury report,
Speaker 1: he ends up playing and this will not be Matt
Speaker 1: money Smith, one of our listeners looking out for us, said,
Speaker 1: you gotta check out the Chargers radio network, the Spanish
Speaker 1: call with Adrian Garcia Marquez and Francisco Pinto. So I
Speaker 1: can't wait for this here.
Speaker 26: Marchand Richards, Bradulos Pan, don't mind snap see comber Bosa,
Speaker 26: says Skapa Eltu Morgan Fox.
Speaker 3: I want to eat is one thing that I picked up.
Speaker 1: I love that I know my h my high school Spanish. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we should have Randy come in and tell us everything.
Speaker 1: I guess next time. That's awesome. I love that Joey
Speaker 1: Bosa has his own sack call song, so maybe we'll
Speaker 1: it's a song. Yeah, bring that back.
Speaker 3: It's gonna get stuck in my head.
Speaker 1: One last quick thing about the Chargers. Justin Herbert told
Speaker 1: reporters after the game he got rolled up after a
Speaker 1: fumbling in the second half. He went for X rays.
Speaker 1: That's a little concerning.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: ESPN dot Com reported he was limping, and Herbert said
Speaker 1: he'll know more in the coming day. So just something
Speaker 1: to watch there for the Chargers. They got a big
Speaker 1: game against the Chiefs, a battle of undefeated teams in
Speaker 1: the AFC West Chargers at two and oh, all right,
Speaker 1: let's take one final break. We'll wrap up the last
Speaker 1: three games that includes Sunday Nay football back on NFL Daily.
Speaker 1: This is the spot in the show you you don't
Speaker 1: necessarily want to be. I mean, I'm just saying if
Speaker 1: we're ranking them, and it doesn't mean the games weren't great.
Speaker 1: These are both one score games. I think we have
Speaker 1: a lot of takeaways. Heck, we could have a playoff
Speaker 1: team out of these two games. Okay, but if you're
Speaker 1: this deep into the show, it just means we didn't
Speaker 1: see those games quite as high. Maybe I'll maybe we'll
Speaker 1: just start mixing them up a little more, because you
Speaker 1: know what, the Steelers, frankly deserve a lot of respect
Speaker 1: after what they did.
Speaker 18: Nicks in the shotgun has McLoughlin, who is right now,
Speaker 18: He motions him to the left, brings him back to
Speaker 18: the right again.
Speaker 1: Knicks back looking looking.
Speaker 3: Over the middle of the field.
Speaker 23: That's intercepted, and there's Corey Trice in the back of
Speaker 23: the end zone with.
Speaker 1: His first career interception.
Speaker 10: Oh sweet, Marie, what a beautiful job of coming through
Speaker 10: it the moment you're most needed in a time of daed,
Speaker 10: Corey Trice dance tall.
Speaker 1: I love that. Put that on the Cause of the
Speaker 1: Year nominees. There, Wdve rob King, Craig wolf Ley and yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the first of Bnix's interception and that was
Speaker 1: the closest they came to scoring a touchdown. The Steelers
Speaker 1: win thirteen to six. Bonnicks throws away that red zone chance.
Speaker 1: They get the ball back late, he throws a hail
Speaker 1: mary that had no chance for his second interception, and
Speaker 1: the Steelers defense gets it done Patrick in a strikingly
Speaker 1: similar way to the way they got it done a
Speaker 1: week ago. They did score a touchdown in this game,
Speaker 1: but they didn't score as many points thirteen.
Speaker 2: They made big plays, but that big play by Corey Trice,
Speaker 2: a real game no limits comes up and makes that play.
Speaker 2: But ultimately, the two plays before that, the Broncos equaled
Speaker 2: their entire offensive output of the game. Up to that point.
Speaker 2: It was third to quarter, eight minutes to go. They
Speaker 2: had seventy five total yards on the game. Then they
Speaker 2: had a deep post to Cortland Suddon and then a
Speaker 2: reverse pitch back to Bownicks, who had Josh Reynolds wide
Speaker 2: open by the way before that interception. Josh Reynolds has
Speaker 2: to stop and come back catches the ball. That's how
Speaker 2: they got to that point. And then Corey Trice again
Speaker 2: real game, no limits, makes that interception, gets the Steelers
Speaker 2: the ball back. But it's another game where justin fields
Speaker 2: is if you clip off individual plays, it's like, wow,
Speaker 2: justin fields, you're thinking the Steelers might have scored forty
Speaker 2: in this game. He had a couple of throws that
Speaker 2: had to come back, a couple of throws that were
Speaker 2: PI one of the best throws that we're going to
Speaker 2: see all season to George Pickens, a seeing eyeball with
Speaker 2: Patrick Sartan all over him. That ball gets right to him.
Speaker 2: It comes back for holding as well. But that's kind
Speaker 2: of been the tail of this season for the Steelers.
Speaker 2: Were in spots they look really good. Then you look
Speaker 2: up with the scoreboard they got thirteen points. It's one
Speaker 2: of those things. But they're two and oh and Greg
Speaker 2: Rosenthal's picked to go to the playoffs, much beligned by
Speaker 2: by everybody on the planet.
Speaker 1: No I did not pick them.
Speaker 3: Oh you didn't either. Nobody disrespect them as well.
Speaker 1: We all did. And I was so mad when I saw,
Speaker 1: you know, at NFL dot com, like thirty seven people
Speaker 1: make their predictions and not one of them had the
Speaker 1: play Steelers in the playoffs. And that was the moment
Speaker 1: where I thought, Oh, they're definitely going to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: And yeah, Jalen Warren's healthier for this game. He goes
Speaker 1: nine for forty two and also catches a couple. Naje
Speaker 1: Harris is running hard. I mean they only end up
Speaker 1: with like two hundred and fifty yards of offense. But
Speaker 1: you don't need it when you got TJ. Watt playing
Speaker 1: like this and that that throw you mentioned where Boo
Speaker 1: Nicks underthrows him. Now some people will say, oh, see
Speaker 1: he doesn't have that strong of an arm. He can't
Speaker 1: go deep. I think more about the people shook that
Speaker 1: told me, well, if you have great timing, you don't
Speaker 1: need the big arm, because really he was just late
Speaker 1: on that throw. If he threw it earlier, then maybe
Speaker 1: it would have made up for it. But the timing
Speaker 1: hasn't been there for Nicks. He's he's looked a little
Speaker 1: bit lost, and they don't have a running game. It's
Speaker 1: not a good sign that bo Nix was their leading
Speaker 1: rusher today.
Speaker 6: No, that's a terrible sign, especially we have Javonti Williams
Speaker 6: not backfield. But it's more discouraging that all of his
Speaker 6: strength that we saw in the preseason against Vanilla defenses
Speaker 6: have not translated the regular season. It's disappointing, it is,
Speaker 6: really what it is, because he came out of the
Speaker 6: preseason looking pretty confident, like he won that job pretty easily,
Speaker 6: and through two games just has not handled the job
Speaker 6: very well. And that interception in the end zone is
Speaker 6: a prime example of it's It's a disheartening start for
Speaker 6: the Broncos, but you still want to trust that eventually
Speaker 6: they'll figure it out. But they have to string together
Speaker 6: more plays than they did today. They also have to
Speaker 6: be cleaner. Nine penalties accepted for one hundred and twenty
Speaker 6: four yards. The only reason that they didn't have the
Speaker 6: most penalties in the game is because the Steelers had.
Speaker 12: Ten for seventy eight forward to rewatching a forty five.
Speaker 6: Minute are on condensed, just because there's so many stoppage
Speaker 6: just for flags, all right, and I'm not looking forward
Speaker 6: to it either, But you're right, and that's the thing
Speaker 6: with the Steelers too. They're gonna win a lot of
Speaker 6: games ugly right now because their offense can't put the
Speaker 6: ball in the end zone safe for once. But Justin
Speaker 6: Fields did not hurt them again, just like last week.
Speaker 6: He did not commit backbreaking turnovers, he did throw a
Speaker 6: touchdown pass, he didn't have to run the ball nearly
Speaker 6: as much as he did last week, and yet they
Speaker 6: still found a way to win. So you know what
Speaker 6: Steeler fans, Look, I'm gonna speak to you directly real quick.
Speaker 6: If you can accept losing or winning thirteen to six
Speaker 6: or winning eighteen to ten, and it's never gonna be
Speaker 6: super pretty well. First off, that fits your city's mantra
Speaker 6: and personality better than you even realized that. I was
Speaker 6: just there a few weeks ago and I can confirm that.
Speaker 6: And secondly, you're gonna win a lot of football games
Speaker 6: this play. You should be happy about your defense.
Speaker 12: Okay.
Speaker 1: T J.
Speaker 12: Watson a monster, and he's not the only good player
Speaker 12: on that defense.
Speaker 3: Spicy, all of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania is an ugly win.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, no, I mean, but they do
Speaker 1: have a lot of short, aggressive men.
Speaker 3: I will say that.
Speaker 1: I mean a guy from Cleveland talks about, you know,
Speaker 1: the Steelers being ugly winning or basically say I see
Speaker 1: some spice here. Seven quarterback hits, by the way for
Speaker 1: the Steelers in this game, so they beat the hell
Speaker 1: out of Bonex.
Speaker 2: And it seems like the one thing that has been
Speaker 2: true for two weeks now with Arthur Smith is the
Speaker 2: designed Justin Field's run game leaves a lot to be desired.
Speaker 2: Justin Fields seems to be at his best running the
Speaker 2: football on broken plays, on scrambles as well.
Speaker 3: There was one very circuitous QB run towards.
Speaker 2: The end of this game where I'm sure on the
Speaker 2: whiteboard it looked great like the tackles running back and
Speaker 2: then coming back around for Justin Fields, but the Broncos
Speaker 2: were all over it. Just scrap that one. Just go
Speaker 2: ahead and let Fields run the typical you know, read options.
Speaker 2: That feels like the move to me because the straight
Speaker 2: design runs aren't producing.
Speaker 1: They are a defensive team putting up crooked numbers, six
Speaker 1: passes defense, six tackles for lost, seven quarterback hits, so
Speaker 1: you don't need a lot of offense when that's happening.
Speaker 1: They're two to zero and the Broncos fans are just apoplexic.
Speaker 1: They were so over their skis a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Now they're miserable and they're mad at Sean Payton. The
Speaker 1: Steelers two and zero with only one touchdown on the season.
Speaker 1: The Commanders kind of know how that feels. They won
Speaker 1: a game somehow where they gave up three touchdowns, they
Speaker 1: didn't score any touchdowns, and yet they were the victors
Speaker 1: at home.
Speaker 29: Way asks as if he's ready, Tyler rrr is the snapper,
Speaker 29: way turns, gets the snap, it's down, kick on its way,
Speaker 29: it is up.
Speaker 1: And it is good. Washington wins twenty one eighty.
Speaker 29: Congratulations to Dan Quinn, Adam Peters, Josh Harris, Jaydon Daniels,
Speaker 29: everybody as this group together gets their first win in Washington.
Speaker 1: That is a big time win for the Commanders. Wbig
Speaker 1: Bran Weinstein on Austin Sabert's thirty yard game winning field goal,
Speaker 1: weird game shook. I felt like Jayden Daniels and the
Speaker 1: Commanders were in the red zone all game, but it
Speaker 1: was just they just ended up settling what was it,
Speaker 1: seven field goals? Is that how they won this game?
Speaker 1: That's a wild way to get to the out.
Speaker 3: There just got there kick seven. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, if at first you don't succeed, try
Speaker 6: try again. And when I say that, I mean if
Speaker 6: the first kicker that you got from the Browns doesn't work,
Speaker 6: cut him and then sign another kicker who was drafted
Speaker 6: by the Browns in Austin Cyber He'll get you to victory.
Speaker 12: Because that's what they did in week two. I sent
Speaker 12: a text to my buddy diehard Commanders fan and I said, hey,
Speaker 12: I know it's not necessarily Cliff Kingsbury's fault, but can
Speaker 12: you guys like actually get Jayden Daniels to the end
Speaker 12: zone today because he's playing well enough to deserve to
Speaker 12: make at least one trip there, and yet they couldn't.
Speaker 12: But somehow they find a way to win. Credit to them.
Speaker 6: Look, guys, I talked about Kyler like this earlier. Love
Speaker 6: watching play quarterback, look forward toating him play every week.
Speaker 6: I look forward to watching Washington play because of the
Speaker 6: same reasons. Jayden Daniels is so fun to watch. But
Speaker 6: for the love of God, get in the end zone.
Speaker 1: Please please and help me get down on some of
Speaker 1: these runs. He is unlike Kyler Murray, who is godlike
Speaker 1: in avoiding hits maybe the greatest I've ever seen. Really,
Speaker 1: I mean, he is truly an incredible scrambler. Jayden Daniels
Speaker 1: is a great scrambler, a great runner, but not great
Speaker 1: at avoiding hits. And that's a little worries. And he
Speaker 1: missed the play in this game right.
Speaker 2: Typical Jaden Daniels, as you just mentioned. He's running to
Speaker 2: the right, trying to get a few extra yards. He
Speaker 2: has got a defender low, takes a shot, kind of
Speaker 2: goes down pretty hard with the defender at his ankles.
Speaker 2: I'm worried about his ankle at his knee misses some time.
Speaker 2: He is able to come back in the game. But
Speaker 2: it's just one of those things where the accumulation of
Speaker 2: shots that Daniels is taking and they're not even really
Speaker 2: taking shots down the field, which is one of his
Speaker 2: the best parts of his skill set is his accuracy downfield.
Speaker 3: Not a whole lot.
Speaker 2: He completes twenty three or twenty nine passes for two
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty six yards, But you're just wondering when's
Speaker 2: the big play gonna comes.
Speaker 3: Not you running the.
Speaker 1: Ball, that's Kingsbarry ball. Not the best sign like Noah
Speaker 1: Brown steps in off the waiver wire, and you know
Speaker 1: he's leading their wide receivers. Terry mclaurin's fantasy owners like
Speaker 1: myself are dying a slow death. I think he has
Speaker 1: less than forty yards on the season, and yet they
Speaker 1: get it done because their running backs have looked fantastic.
Speaker 1: I think shook through two weeks. Brian Robinson looks to
Speaker 1: me like a different player he did a week ago.
Speaker 1: They start the game Nick with a nine minute drive
Speaker 1: and that sort of set the tone of what kind
Speaker 1: of day it was going to be. I know they
Speaker 1: didn't get a touchdown, but they end up with four
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five yards. I mean their offense was
Speaker 1: ultimately pretty effective except for the red zone.
Speaker 12: Yeah, they were great between the twenties. I mean they're fantastic.
Speaker 6: They moved the ball well all day, and Brian Robinson
Speaker 6: looks like I don't know if he found another gear
Speaker 6: or something, but he's more explosive and running harder than
Speaker 6: he has in his career. That's why it was so frustrating,
Speaker 6: but at the same time, to see them piece together
Speaker 6: these drives was encouraging. You talked about receivers and Noah
Speaker 6: Brown being their best receiver today, the best catch was
Speaker 6: made by Zach Ertz, and it was because it was
Speaker 6: a wrestling match with Jason Pinnock, who Zach the ball,
Speaker 6: then Jason had the ball, then Zach had the ball.
Speaker 6: Like that was the extent of the downfield passing game
Speaker 6: for them. So there's a lot of room to grow.
Speaker 6: I don't know if they'll ever get there, but it's
Speaker 6: nice and you can bounce it out with this rushing attack,
Speaker 6: which you know you obviously have the Daniels rushing threat.
Speaker 6: I would like to see him avoid some hits. Eckler
Speaker 6: still looks good too. You know, he only had eight
Speaker 6: carries for thirty eight yards, but he'll pop one off
Speaker 6: here and there. They have a good balanced approach. It's
Speaker 6: just that we do have to push the ball down
Speaker 6: the field eventually, Washington, like we got to wake up
Speaker 6: from our slumber there.
Speaker 12: So maybe in due time.
Speaker 6: But again, they're still in such a better situation than
Speaker 6: they were a year ago, just because of the quarterback.
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say that the better
Speaker 1: situation than the Giants who are now zero and two,
Speaker 1: and yeah. Dabeles started its press commerence really talking about
Speaker 1: how the offense improved and I get it, and they did.
Speaker 1: I get it, but they also scored eighteen points and
Speaker 1: they're playing a team that should have given up about
Speaker 1: a fifty burger last year in the Commanders, and yeah
Speaker 1: there were so you know, they ran the ball better.
Speaker 1: Singletary goes for ninety five yards. Daniel Jones is much
Speaker 1: more effective. Malik Neighbors gets eighteen targets. No one else
Speaker 1: on the team gets more than four. Unfortunately the target
Speaker 1: even though Neighbors goes ten for one to twenty seven
Speaker 1: and a touchdown that we're probably gonna remember best is
Speaker 1: a fourth down that Jones threw the ball to Neighbors
Speaker 1: at the end of the game with a chance to
Speaker 1: really ice the game and potentially kick their own game
Speaker 1: winning field goal or go for a game winning touchdown. Jones,
Speaker 1: out of a shotgun set, falls out, signals, takes the
Speaker 1: snap back to throw pumps under pressure, now fires one right, completes.
Speaker 3: It and oh it's dropped by Neighbors along the sideline.
Speaker 4: He would have had the first down and he dropped it,
Speaker 4: and he pounds the turf in frustration with two h
Speaker 4: four to go.
Speaker 1: Oh that is Bob Popa calling the completion before it happened.
Speaker 1: Because Neighbors had such great hands and had such a
Speaker 1: great games, you just assumed he was gonna make it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that was just over two minutes left. In
Speaker 1: terms of game situation. Both teams still had three time out,
Speaker 1: so there was a lot left to go there, but
Speaker 1: it was tied. But the reason they went for it
Speaker 1: is because they didn't have a kicker all game, and
Speaker 1: to me, that was maybe the biggest factor in this
Speaker 1: entire game. They try an extra point to start the
Speaker 1: game with their punter, Blake Gillan, and he missed it,
Speaker 1: and so then they went for two later when they
Speaker 1: were up three, which is like the one spot where
Speaker 1: you really need an extra point, but they I guess
Speaker 1: we're afraid, all right, you missed it the first time,
Speaker 1: let's go for two. They didn't get the two, and
Speaker 1: then at that point and in the game where they
Speaker 1: probably would have kicked a field goal to take a lead,
Speaker 1: they go for it, and yeah, like it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of weird when you have a guy who was on
Speaker 1: the injury report in Graham Gano and you don't have
Speaker 1: an extra kicker up That to me is an organizational failure.
Speaker 1: Like the GM and the coach kind of lost them
Speaker 1: this game by not having a kicker potentially available.
Speaker 6: So Jamie Gillen, formerly known as the Scottish Hammer, maybe
Speaker 6: still known as that by some people, another former Brown
Speaker 6: who makes an appearance in special teams in this game,
Speaker 6: last kicked field goals consistently at Arkansas Pine Bluff and
Speaker 6: did not do very well in college. So yeah, you
Speaker 6: were in a bad spot going to this game if
Speaker 6: if kicker was going to be a concern, So a
Speaker 6: lack of preparation on their part. I mean, look, Daniel
Speaker 6: Jones did play better. He played better because he had
Speaker 6: a life raft named Malik Dabors who just caught everything
Speaker 6: for him except for the most important pass of the game,
Speaker 6: which was super unfortunate because Neighbors is a stud and
Speaker 6: he played his tail off in this game. He kept
Speaker 6: them afloat throughout this game in the passing game, and
Speaker 6: unfortunately that's just the way the cookie crumbled for them
Speaker 6: and they're zero and two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was one of those games where I don't
Speaker 1: know if we learned a ton about either of these
Speaker 1: teams in terms of how they'll compete against others. But
Speaker 1: if you're a commander's banner. You're on that stuff like
Speaker 1: big get a win, yeah, and you think.
Speaker 2: You think that they'll figure it out. The downside on
Speaker 2: the other side for the Giants is you get the
Speaker 2: nuclear Molik Neighbors game. But still there's there's not a
Speaker 2: lot to speak of. And as you mentioned, if the
Speaker 2: plan is Jamie Gillum coming in and then you immediately
Speaker 2: punt on that plan, I guess punt intended, then it's
Speaker 2: it's just like, so what what how are we approaching
Speaker 2: things between the coaching staff and the front office.
Speaker 1: If a guy has a groin injury for a kicker, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's that's probably a concern coming into the game,
Speaker 1: because they showed Dable watching his kicks very intently in
Speaker 1: the warm ups and stuff, so they knew it was
Speaker 1: an issue coming in. He Gano was actually active, he
Speaker 1: was the holder, so that it's just like, what what
Speaker 1: is happening? I've seen it's too many times where you
Speaker 1: see kickers where like before the game and then there's
Speaker 1: no one else. I don't know, maybe this should be
Speaker 1: something the teams should think about. You like literally lost
Speaker 1: a game. How valuable is that that? Because you didn't
Speaker 1: have a kicker available. We're always happy. Patrick Clayban is
Speaker 1: available with us each and every week. Now we're gonna
Speaker 1: throw it to Sunden and Football. Patrick will not be
Speaker 1: with us for the Sunday Night Football program, so we
Speaker 1: we appreciate you, Patrick, appreciate, and we send it to Houston.
Speaker 1: Let's go strata the.
Speaker 3: Gun on second to twenty four. Here's the snap, CJ
Speaker 3: looking CJ fire downfield, hitch me go.
Speaker 5: Ten five to the unsold touchdown kisten.
Speaker 3: And that's weight room right there.
Speaker 1: Baby Eco Collins has been hitting the weight room. Also
Speaker 1: hit the end zone. Touchdown for Collins goes eight for
Speaker 1: one P thirty five. Texans win nineteen to thirteen, wrapping
Speaker 1: up a fun Week two and almost misleading to have
Speaker 1: an offensive highlight Shookie because in the end, it was
Speaker 1: the defense that took over this game. In the second half,
Speaker 1: the Texans picked off Caleb Williams twice in a row,
Speaker 1: and then they hit him, and then they hit him
Speaker 1: some more, and then they sacked them all over the place.
Speaker 1: Eleven QB hits in this game. They pressured him on
Speaker 1: almost fifty percent of their dropbacks. Will Anderson and Daniel
Speaker 1: Hunter combined for seventeen pressures alone between the two of them.
Speaker 1: The Texans made that Bears off look bad and they
Speaker 1: get to win nineteen to thirteen. What stood out to you.
Speaker 27: Well?
Speaker 6: First off, coming out of the break, Matt Eberflus stated,
Speaker 6: We're gonna go down the field and score a touchdown,
Speaker 6: and they never came close to scoring a touchdown in
Speaker 6: the second half because of the Texans defense.
Speaker 1: I mean, Matt castleback in Lamberg in the playoffs energy,
Speaker 1: I love it. I Mean, no one's work confident than
Speaker 1: Eberflus with a good haircut. It's awesome.
Speaker 3: The question is who.
Speaker 12: Plays the role of Al Harris? There is that a
Speaker 12: Kabari Lassiter Derek Stingley. Does it matter? It didn't matter.
Speaker 12: I Mean my takeaway is the same takeaway that I
Speaker 12: pretty much anybody who was watching this game nationally had.
Speaker 12: Caleb Williams had no time to throw and was just
Speaker 12: getting bludgeoned, especially late in that game.
Speaker 6: I Mean, you can say what you want about the
Speaker 6: Bears offensive line. Obviously, I think they need work in
Speaker 6: protecting him. Maybe it's an upgrading talent, maybe it's a
Speaker 6: change in scheme. They certainly weren't doing their job, and
Speaker 6: it frazzled the young guy. I mean, it's a second
Speaker 6: NFL start. You could tell that when he had time
Speaker 6: he would make some good decisions. He also would miss
Speaker 6: some throws. He doesn't ever rapport with his receivers that
Speaker 6: veteran quarterbacks have. He missed a number of back shoulder throws.
Speaker 6: DJ Moore looked visibly frustrated by the end of this
Speaker 6: game because the balls were just sailing over his head
Speaker 6: or were woefully short of its intended target. And what
Speaker 6: you got was a Bears team that mustered a whole
Speaker 6: three points in the second half and never really got
Speaker 6: close to threatening even in a one score game down
Speaker 6: late because of course they couldn't protect Kaylor Williams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he even that won the score that they
Speaker 1: did get to cut the lead to nineteen to ten.
Speaker 1: That's aided by penalties. There's a lot of penalties. This
Speaker 1: game went really late for a game that went in regulation,
Speaker 1: not like the most perfect advertisement for football. But it's
Speaker 1: still as exciting because they kept it close. And you
Speaker 1: mentioned those last couple drives. DJ Moore getting frustrated because
Speaker 1: Williams just misses him has a lot of room that
Speaker 1: drive ends because of that next and final drive. The
Speaker 1: last throw of the game is roma Dunze and Caleb
Speaker 1: Williams not really being on the same page. So Williams's
Speaker 1: accuracy has been a little iffy. That said, he comes
Speaker 1: out like the first three throws of the game were
Speaker 1: awesome and there were really nice moments. He gets forty
Speaker 1: four yards on the ground, DeAndre Swift goes fourteen for eighteen.
Speaker 1: Herbert you know, has the short touchdown but otherwise doesn't
Speaker 1: do anything. So I don't think you can overstate how
Speaker 1: much Darnell Wright struggled with Daniel Hunter in this game.
Speaker 1: And will Anderson was often beating kind of the protection
Speaker 1: scheme and like beating running backs and tight ends and
Speaker 1: getting hustle pressures and had some big time wins. But
Speaker 1: Hunter is just abusing Chicago's first round pick. So that
Speaker 1: was a big time acquisition for them. In the offseason,
Speaker 1: they were pretty confident publicly, maybe even you know privately,
Speaker 1: and definitely little publicly that he was a pretty big
Speaker 1: upgrade from Jonathan Grenard, and he showed.
Speaker 12: Had a good year last year by the way.
Speaker 1: Broh, Yeah, I mean right, Grenard was very good too.
Speaker 1: Neither of these teams could really run the ball. Cam
Speaker 1: Akers fumbles the ball on the goal line late or
Speaker 1: else we you know, we wouldn't have sweated out that ending.
Speaker 1: But I just look at this Texans team and I
Speaker 1: just think, man, there's so much talent everywhere. CJ. Stroud
Speaker 1: for the second straight week, I think, has showed improvement
Speaker 1: at making plays out of structure. Last year was all about,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, this is the guy, is the next Like
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, he's enough athleticism and every winning from the pocket,
Speaker 1: and he's done some of that through two weeks. But
Speaker 1: really all of his best plays over the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks have kind of been plays that broke down,
Speaker 1: and he made a couple of them to Nico Collins
Speaker 1: in this game. I mean he had ay, he had
Speaker 1: some beautiful throws from the pocket too, including the Stefan
Speaker 1: Diggs good situational football to get three points at the
Speaker 1: end of the first half, where again Nico Collins makes
Speaker 1: a great catch. So overall, just smart football here that
Speaker 1: they probably shouldn't have had the sweat out quite as much.
Speaker 1: But again, if Acres doesn't fumble that ball, there were
Speaker 1: probably not talking about all that.
Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, on the Texans side.
Speaker 6: It is really beautiful to see what can become of
Speaker 6: a pairing of a young quarterback and a receiver.
Speaker 12: And that's that's Stroud and Collins. That's going back to
Speaker 12: last year, last preseason, you could tell even then they
Speaker 12: had a rapport.
Speaker 6: I picked him out back then, thinking that's his favorite target.
Speaker 6: That guy's gonna have a breakout year if CJ plays
Speaker 6: well because that's his favorite guy. And it carried over
Speaker 6: to the regular season. It carries over night eight for
Speaker 6: one thirty five in a touchdown for Nico Collins. He
Speaker 6: leads this receiving corep that, oh, by the way, has
Speaker 6: Stefon Diggs in it, but Collins is the star. There's
Speaker 6: one throw in particular. It's in the second half where
Speaker 6: Stroud rolls right and Collins kind of enters the scrambled
Speaker 6: drill and just finds open space and Stroud hits him
Speaker 6: perfectly to move the chains. That's that's the example of
Speaker 6: experience spent together. Even though if it's just a season,
Speaker 6: they understand each other, they're on the same page. That's
Speaker 6: what kayleb Williams Romo Dune's a DJ Moore and obviously
Speaker 6: Keenan Allen and to night.
Speaker 12: That's what they don't have yet. But I don't want
Speaker 12: to sound like a broken record.
Speaker 6: But again, like I said last week, with a different team,
Speaker 6: it starts in the trenches and the Bears, you just
Speaker 6: have to look at the rushing numbers to know everything
Speaker 6: you need to know about this offense right now. You
Speaker 6: can blame scheme, you can blame play calling and too
Speaker 6: many passes of the flats and too short of a
Speaker 6: passing offense, whatever you want. But if you can't run
Speaker 6: the football, you're instantly one dimensional. Even in a one
Speaker 6: score game, even before it gets late, you really can't
Speaker 6: do anything on the ground, and you're putting everything on
Speaker 6: the shoulders of a guy who's making his second NFL start,
Speaker 6: And that's just losing football. That's bad business. It's a
Speaker 6: losing formula. So they're going to have to figure out
Speaker 6: how to balance this offense if they really want to
Speaker 6: see Caleb take the steps forward that they expect from
Speaker 6: the first overall pick.
Speaker 1: Right. I mean, their offensive line really struggled against the blitz.
Speaker 1: So Demico Ryans is not a coach that likes to
Speaker 1: blitz that much. He's very good at a well time blitz,
Speaker 1: but they swed tonight. They couldn't protect the blitz. So
Speaker 1: that's offensive line number one, but that's also a young
Speaker 1: quarterback not knowing how to set the protections and coaching.
Speaker 1: They ended up blitzing on almost forty percent of their
Speaker 1: pass rushes and it was just free rushers at the
Speaker 1: end of the game. Teeing off. I mean, that was
Speaker 1: a welcome to the NFL type a knight for Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1: And yeah, the talent's just everywhere. Derek Stingley with an
Speaker 1: awesome interception that's going to help him get to I
Speaker 1: think he's going to be an All Pro this year.
Speaker 1: Nice to do it in primetime, He'll have other chances
Speaker 1: to do it. And then Kamari Lassiter, who had two
Speaker 1: interceptions in that second half. One was called back by penalty.
Speaker 1: And one thing I've noticed with Lassiter he has great hands,
Speaker 1: like he when he has a chance to make plays,
Speaker 1: he makes play. So he's given up a couple plays
Speaker 1: in this season. But again it's the Texans. It's playmakers
Speaker 1: all over the field. Jalen Petrie had a much better
Speaker 1: game tonight, and I thought the Bears defense was really
Speaker 1: really good in this game too. They don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about where they're at. And by any means, Kyler
Speaker 1: Gordon and Tyreek Stevenson and some of their guys up
Speaker 1: front like it is a really good defense and they
Speaker 1: challenge a good offense in CJ. Strapd. So the Bears
Speaker 1: go back to the drawing board one and one on
Speaker 1: the season, and the Texans are at two to zero,
Speaker 1: a top the AFC South. You know where I'm not
Speaker 1: atop right now, but I actually I do want to
Speaker 1: mention this one little stat that Josh Debo of that
Speaker 1: Associated Press pointed out. The Bears have averaged three point
Speaker 1: one yards per play on Sunday Night, and they averaged
Speaker 1: less in Week one. The only teams to do that
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl era averaged that few yards per
Speaker 1: play in the first two games of the season. In
Speaker 1: the twenty first century, there's actually two teams the Bears
Speaker 1: in the two thousand and six Raiders, who really old
Speaker 1: school Raiders fans will remember, were nicknamed the bed and
Speaker 1: breakfast offense. I think that was the JaMarcus Russell team
Speaker 1: I don't even like.
Speaker 3: So that's it.
Speaker 1: The two worst teams in the twentieth century. You have
Speaker 1: to go back to the ninety six Rams and then
Speaker 1: the seventies. For teams that have started that slow, has
Speaker 1: been pretty rough.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's indicative of what
Speaker 6: their offense is going to be over the course now season.
Speaker 12: I do think that they'll get better.
Speaker 6: But one last point in the Texans real quick, because
Speaker 6: I know we talked about the playmakers and everything else,
Speaker 6: but I love the most about them their identity.
Speaker 12: These guys play with a massive chip on their shoulders.
Speaker 12: Not not worthy of the chip tracker, but just a
Speaker 12: massive attitude. I mean they're going out there and tackling
Speaker 12: guys and then they're hating a little bit extra after
Speaker 12: the play.
Speaker 6: You know, might spark a little freakiss here and there,
Speaker 6: but they play with an attitude. They don't just want
Speaker 6: to get stops. They want to get stops and let
Speaker 6: you know about it, and hey, this is a no
Speaker 6: flies on, you're not allowed over here. We're gonna keep
Speaker 6: coming all night. And it was it was really impressive
Speaker 6: to see, even against the Bears team that you know,
Speaker 6: struggles up front. I think that bodes well for them
Speaker 6: because this is their ear last year they came and
Speaker 6: won the AFC South Yeah, this year, they're they're aimed
Speaker 6: for more than the super They want to make a
Speaker 6: deep run.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and they're gonna they're gonna prove a point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're absolutely super well contenders. And yeah, the the
Speaker 1: Bed and Breakfast Rams just to I mean Raiders just
Speaker 1: to circle back was coached by Art Shell was the
Speaker 1: head coach. They only won two games that year, but
Speaker 1: the reason they were called that was because Tom Walsh
Speaker 1: was their offensive coordinator, a man who had been out
Speaker 1: of football for seven years before running while running a
Speaker 1: bed and breakfast ranch in Idaho before he came back
Speaker 1: to football to run the worst offense in the league.
Speaker 12: So how many how many of the breakfast dishes included
Speaker 12: potatoes at this bend at Idaho?
Speaker 1: Hey, there you go as we wrap up here, and yeah,
Speaker 1: a chunky Week two recap for you. I just I'm
Speaker 1: gonna end with some bad news if you happen to
Speaker 1: listen to the previews show. Patrick Claybond's Survivor pick in
Speaker 1: Week one didn't make it out a Week one that
Speaker 1: was pretty unfortunate, Bengals losing to the Patriots. My Week
Speaker 1: to Survivor pick the Ravens over the Raiders I guess
Speaker 1: is the segment. The segment's over. Both of us. We
Speaker 1: have not survived. It's over. Weiss came in in week
Speaker 1: two and picked the Texans. Maybe that counts that know,
Speaker 1: Tiebo on the Texans. I let him join week two.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll start over. Who knows. We're doing more than
Speaker 1: surviving here though. In the Chris Westling, I'm more.
Speaker 12: Curious about these sounds. I heard a lightning bolt and
Speaker 12: somebody drowned.
Speaker 1: It was tough. It was tough out there on the water.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Nick Shook for everything tonight. Appreciate you man.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun. I'd feel very grateful
Speaker 1: to be able to do this. This is a ton
Speaker 1: of fun in the studio. Eric Roberts and Randy Chavez
Speaker 1: just absolutely killing it behind the glass. We will be
Speaker 1: back me and you Nick at night, Monday night football
Speaker 1: Eagles and Falcons till then. So happy football is back.