Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host
Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,
Speaker 1: and today on the show, a deep dive into the factual,
Speaker 1: accuracies and inaccuracies of the Garfield trailer. Beat by beat,
Speaker 1: we will examine the trailer in detail and talk about
Speaker 1: whether there are real life examples in evolutionary biology that
Speaker 1: can lend credence to a new Garfield trailer. What a
Speaker 1: silk moth make a better Garfield does? Social facilitation of
Speaker 1: eating explain why John tolerates Garfield? Are there other animals
Speaker 1: who eat horrifying amounts of food much like Garfield? Discover
Speaker 1: this and more as we answer the age old question
Speaker 1: how is Garfield like a subordinate male cichlid fish? Joining
Speaker 1: me today to check the Garfield trailer with scientific facts?
Speaker 1: Is Garfield understander? Emmy nominated producer and TV writer. Friend
Speaker 1: of the show, Joey Clift, Welcome.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me. I'm really excited to
Speaker 2: just finally, you know, get to the facts on this
Speaker 2: Garfield trailer and really just let the world know what's
Speaker 2: really going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is very important Garfield trailer dropped. It features
Speaker 1: a new tale of Garfield. Sort of what the sense
Speaker 1: I got from the trailer is it's sort of telling
Speaker 1: the tale of Garfield's life, like from kittenhood to adulthood
Speaker 1: to like, I guess meeting his own father is a
Speaker 1: thing in this trailer. And of course Garfield is voiced
Speaker 1: by the most talented voice actor in the world, Chris Pratt,
Speaker 1: who we cannot get enough of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of things that don't sound like they should,
Speaker 2: a goat just kind of screams instead of making sounds.
Speaker 2: That's kind of what Chris Pratt's Garfield sounds like to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, yeah, Chris Pratt, he voices everything in every movie.
Speaker 1: I think that the goal is just like every movie
Speaker 1: will only be Chris Pratt playing the various roles of
Speaker 1: voicing all of the animated character playing all the live
Speaker 1: action roles. It is too kind of I mean, it's
Speaker 1: efficient really to only have one guy in movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that way you just only have one schedule that
Speaker 2: you're really tracking instead of like a million people's schedules.
Speaker 2: I mean, I do think I will say like I
Speaker 2: do like Chris Pratt as an actor. I think him
Speaker 2: as star Lord in Guardians of the Galaxy. It's like
Speaker 2: a really fun character. But I think that him in
Speaker 2: his voice acting work with Garfield and the Mario Brothers movie,
Speaker 2: it kind of feels like his strategy and preparing for
Speaker 2: these roles is just to listen to like two minutes
Speaker 2: of somebody else doing the voice and then just be like,
Speaker 2: I probably got it, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's what's a girlfield, I'm Rele, I'm Garfield John.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, nailed it perfect, No, No, it's
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, He's just like, don't need don't we
Speaker 2: don't need to do a second take. We got it,
Speaker 2: you know, I do.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like I get why you cast somebody like Chris
Speaker 2: Pratt in you know, like on paper in a movie
Speaker 2: like this, because you know, he is a movie star.
Speaker 2: That's a draw. But like it does kind of feel
Speaker 2: like you could have cast a voice actor to do this.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, do voice actors have the raw,
Speaker 1: animalistic sex appeal that Chris Pratt has? Yeah, so we
Speaker 1: are we are discussing the Garfield trailer. But don't worry,
Speaker 1: evolutionary biology fans. I am examining this trailer through the
Speaker 1: lens of evolutionary biology. What do I mean by that?
Speaker 1: Going through the trailer beat by beat, at every point
Speaker 1: of the trailer, every sort of claim this trailer makes
Speaker 1: about Garfield's life, we are going to see if there
Speaker 1: is a real evolutionary biology example of such a thing
Speaker 1: to really kind of we're fact checking this trailer. We're
Speaker 1: seeing if this trailer holds any water in terms of
Speaker 1: actual evolutionary biology. And so we start in the trailer
Speaker 1: with Garfield an orange kitten in a box in the rain,
Speaker 1: looking very sad, and then he smells food seemingly from
Speaker 1: like quite a ways away, Like he smells food inside
Speaker 1: of a restaurant, like all the way across the street
Speaker 1: in the rain, which is pretty impressive. I think it might.
Speaker 1: It seems like it'd be hard to smell food from
Speaker 1: so far away. So is there an example of something
Speaker 1: orange and fluffy that can detect odors from very far
Speaker 1: away ys? Indeed, the Maleanathus silk moth can do this
Speaker 1: like Garfield. So the Sanathis silk moth is sort of
Speaker 1: a reddish orangish color. It is fluffy like Garfield. It's
Speaker 1: not quite as like bright orange as the Garfield sort
Speaker 1: of like focus group tested orange coloration. But they are
Speaker 1: I think they're quite pretty. They're this sort of rusty
Speaker 1: orange and and they're fluffy. Joy I shared it with
Speaker 1: you an image of one of these little guys, and
Speaker 1: I think they're quite cute.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I will say something that was really important to
Speaker 2: me about this episode was, you know, fact checking this
Speaker 2: Garfield trailer because you know, as we know, Jim Davis,
Speaker 2: the creative Garfield, famed cartoonist and evolutionary biologist, really created
Speaker 2: the Garfield comic stript as a way to honor, you know,
Speaker 2: just like his factual love for different, you know, animal phenotypes.
Speaker 2: So I will say that you know, this, this this
Speaker 2: creature that you sent me, he has a rust colored
Speaker 2: orange color that I think is it's very close to
Speaker 2: the color that you saw in the first design of
Speaker 2: Garfield when he was a little bit more of like
Speaker 2: a quadruped than a biped. So you know, my guess
Speaker 2: is that when Jim Davis originally created Garfield, he definitely
Speaker 2: was looking at this creature, as you know, his his
Speaker 2: way to build what he views as the perfect cat,
Speaker 2: which is the the orange coloration of this insect mixed
Speaker 2: with it presumably this insects like just ravenous love of lasagna,
Speaker 2: and you know, I think he just nailed it, And like,
Speaker 2: as a member of the scientific community, I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: applaud him for his work.
Speaker 1: So I did have the fact check you, Joey, because
Speaker 1: jokes are not allowed on this show. You said that
Speaker 1: Jim Davis is an evolutionary biologist. Now this is, of
Speaker 1: course not true. Jim Davis did grow up on a farm, however,
Speaker 1: which informed him, I suppose, of the existence of cats.
Speaker 1: So he used that farm experience to know that cats
Speaker 1: were indeed an animal that exists, and then he drew
Speaker 1: a cat, and that cat was Garfield. He also worked
Speaker 1: for an advertising agency before becoming the dad of Garfield.
Speaker 1: And one might conclude that Garfield is a cynical attempt
Speaker 1: to create a marketable character that you can sell merchandise for.
Speaker 1: And what I would say to people who come to
Speaker 1: that conclusion is, have you no joy in your life?
Speaker 1: Do you have no childlike Spark of Wonder where you
Speaker 1: can ignore the implications that Garfield is just a cynical
Speaker 1: plot to advertise an orange cat that is very marketable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to that, I say, is this the moment that
Speaker 2: I learned that everything I know about Jim Davis is
Speaker 2: a lie. No, I refuse to believe that.
Speaker 1: So yes, but about this this moth, this silk moth,
Speaker 1: It is an orange fluffy guy. The orange fluffy guys
Speaker 1: are out there, and they're real. Like Garfield, they are
Speaker 1: relatively large. They're found in North America. The Ceanothus silk
Speaker 1: moth has a wingspan of over four inches or over
Speaker 1: ten centimeters. They live in a variety of environments, including
Speaker 1: conifer forests, coastlines, and desert chaparral. So the males of
Speaker 1: this species of moth, they don't really sport a cute
Speaker 1: little pink nose like Garfield, but instead a set of
Speaker 1: fluffy and tina that they can use to detect female
Speaker 1: sex pheromones from miles away, So many miles away, these
Speaker 1: little guys can detect that there is a female who
Speaker 1: is sexually mature. And while Garfield may be horny for food,
Speaker 1: these moths are horny for mating, which I guess is
Speaker 1: the original type of horny. And so these moths will
Speaker 1: detect the female sex pheromone, they'll fly towards them, they
Speaker 1: will mate. Then females will lay their eggs on plants.
Speaker 1: The caterpillars will will voraciously eat the plants. The caterpillars
Speaker 1: are actually quite pretty themselves. They are bright green with
Speaker 1: these beautiful little blue and red tubercules. So tubercules. It
Speaker 1: sounds malignant, It does not sound like a nice thing.
Speaker 1: But these are just basically horny projections that are found
Speaker 1: on caterpillars and then other other animals, and interestingly so
Speaker 1: adult sy Aanathis silk moths have eye spots on the
Speaker 1: tips of their wings, and the patterns on their wings
Speaker 1: almost look like a pair of snakeheads, which is possibly
Speaker 1: a form of baitsy and mimicry for these moths to
Speaker 1: say like, hey, I'm not a moth, I'm actually two snakes.
Speaker 1: So like bug off, much like how Garfield has eye
Speaker 1: spots on his back that makes him look like some
Speaker 1: kind of you know, horrifying monster when he turns his
Speaker 1: head so that he can eat lasagna without being hassled.
Speaker 2: So just uh, I just want to clarify that we
Speaker 2: are definitely saying in this that it is Garfield's goal too.
Speaker 2: The reason he can smell a zangna from so far
Speaker 2: away is that his goal is to frankl Azagna that
Speaker 2: is yes, you know, I think just scientific fact at
Speaker 2: this point. And you know, I do think that you
Speaker 2: bring up a really good point about the eye spots
Speaker 2: on his back. So I think that Garfield is Jim
Speaker 2: Davis's effort to create what he've used as the ultimate
Speaker 2: apex predator. And I think that those eye spots really
Speaker 2: aid in, you know, Garfield's ability to intimidate you know,
Speaker 2: his prey, and you know, just a just a good
Speaker 2: job for Jim Davis wanting to play god.
Speaker 1: You know how Like you look at Garfield and he
Speaker 1: has those huge cartoon eyes and you think that's his face.
Speaker 1: Actually there's like a normal cat face like on the
Speaker 1: other side of Garfield's head, and those huge eyes that
Speaker 1: we see are his baitsy and memicry eye spots, So
Speaker 1: we think that he's like facing us, but instead like
Speaker 1: he's got just a regular, well proportioned cat face on
Speaker 1: the other side of his head.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing about those eye spots in the back
Speaker 2: of his head is that when you see them, it's
Speaker 2: too late.
Speaker 1: It is too late. Yeah, if you see the whites
Speaker 1: of his eye spots, you know, don't run, just lie down.
Speaker 1: And accept your fate.
Speaker 2: You're about to be eaten with Garfield's bare hands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to your earlier point that like Garfield's eating
Speaker 1: is like sort of a like when he's eating, it's
Speaker 1: sort of a more of a sexual thing that is
Speaker 1: heavily implied by this Garfield trailer. We're not just freaks.
Speaker 1: Like this trailer has a whole scene in it where
Speaker 1: it's like Garfield's about to go down on some lasagna
Speaker 1: and he's like the younger members of the audience might
Speaker 1: want to look away because one can only assume it
Speaker 1: means he's going to attempt to meete with the lazagna.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to attempt and succeed. Yes, Garfield
Speaker 2: is a smooth fella.
Speaker 1: So you think Garfield could seduce a plate of lazagna?
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, look, Garfield could seduce some lazan all day.
Speaker 1: Lazan all day. So we're going to take a quick break,
Speaker 1: but then when we get back we will discuss more
Speaker 1: of the Garfield trailer and how there are indeed real
Speaker 1: life evolutionary examples of animals doing the same things that
Speaker 1: Garfield does in this trailer. Lots of learning ahead, folks,
Speaker 1: So stay tuned. All Right, we're back. And I'm certainly
Speaker 1: not just using the Garfield movie trailer as a pretext
Speaker 1: to slip in some sneaky education about evolutionary biology. No, no,
Speaker 1: I deeply care about this trailer. So the next part
Speaker 1: of the trailer is Garfield running across the street and
Speaker 1: trying to avoid getting hit by cars. Some might say
Speaker 1: this is an overused trope. I say to them, shut up, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I will say that based on Garfield's character design,
Speaker 1: which I will say that is something that I really
Speaker 1: loved about.
Speaker 2: The trailer is like the art style, to me, is
Speaker 2: just kind of beautiful and evocative of the classic Garfield strip.
Speaker 2: You know, it really feels like the the the two
Speaker 2: thousands live action Garfield movie, they just kind of tried
Speaker 2: to turn Garfield into just like, you know, some CG
Speaker 2: creature that didn't really look like the Garfield that we know,
Speaker 2: where Anny.
Speaker 1: Valley sort of like horrifying, like humanoid orange thing with
Speaker 1: Bill Murray's voice.
Speaker 2: You mean, yeah, when it's also weird because in the
Speaker 2: two thousands Garfield movie we see like CG Uncanny Valley Garfield,
Speaker 2: but there are also regular cats in that movie.
Speaker 1: Because it's yeah, so Garfield is some kind of strange
Speaker 1: catlike munculus in that movie. I do like that. I
Speaker 1: like to feel a little bit of mortal terror when
Speaker 1: it comes to Garfield. That's my favorite. That's Garfield at
Speaker 1: its best when it makes me feel sort of this
Speaker 1: palpable sense of horror and fear for my life.
Speaker 2: So something that I'm curious about your scientific opinion on
Speaker 2: this Garfield character design as a kitten in the early
Speaker 2: part of this trailer you mentioned when he's running across
Speaker 2: the street is very caterpillar esque. So and now that
Speaker 2: I think about it, once Garfield is, you know, an adult.
Speaker 2: As we see him in the trailer, he definitely does
Speaker 2: have the appearance of a cocoon. So do you feel
Speaker 2: like there's going to be a point in this movie
Speaker 2: where Garfield is going to emerge from his cocoon and
Speaker 2: enter into his true moth form.
Speaker 1: I mean, that is a really interesting question because, like
Speaker 1: like we said earlier, there are some moth like characteristics
Speaker 1: to Garfield. His ability to sense odors from very far away,
Speaker 1: the orange fluffiness, and also you know the fact that
Speaker 1: the larvae of moths, known as caterpillars eat like a
Speaker 1: massive amounts like like incredible amounts, and usually they gain
Speaker 1: mass when they're eating so much, which is something that
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about later on in the trailer.
Speaker 1: But like, so, what happens with caterpillars, for moths, for
Speaker 1: butterflies is they enter into a cocoon or a chrysalis.
Speaker 1: And the difference between a cocoon and a crystalis is
Speaker 1: kind of structural. Cocoons are usually made from sort of
Speaker 1: these like you know, bound more by a silk structure,
Speaker 1: or crysalis is a more of a sort of smooth
Speaker 1: kiteness structure. Regardless, either way, they they enter into a
Speaker 1: cocoon or a crystalis and then uh, they actually turn
Speaker 1: completely into a sort of liquefied state. This is this
Speaker 1: is all true. This is not a fiction created by
Speaker 1: the Garfield universe. Moths and butterflies, the larvae will eat
Speaker 1: and eat meat until it's gained a lot of mass,
Speaker 1: a lot of just raw material essentially to fuel its
Speaker 1: transformation into a butterfly or moth. And the interesting thing
Speaker 1: is that once it's kind of it's gone into this
Speaker 1: like liquefied state, where like if you cut open a
Speaker 1: cocoon or a chrysalis, which I don't necessarily recommend because
Speaker 1: then you ruin the whole process. But you will actually
Speaker 1: find a goo this kind of like gelatinous liquid, and
Speaker 1: then of course it reforms into a butterfly or a
Speaker 1: moth and then it a little it will emerge from
Speaker 1: the cocoon or crysalis, and there there you have this
Speaker 1: transformed animal. Interestingly, it retains memory from its catapillar form.
Speaker 1: So there have been multiple studies on like teaching caterpillars
Speaker 1: to find an odor to be unpleasant, like they'll you know,
Speaker 1: have them smell some odor and then like shock them
Speaker 1: or something. You know, scientists are mean to bugs. But
Speaker 1: what happens is that as adult, these ones that have
Speaker 1: been trained as caterpillars will still avoid that odor versus
Speaker 1: adults that had not had that training as caterpillar. So
Speaker 1: despite the fact they turn into this like kind of
Speaker 1: protein uh slurpy inside of the chrysalis or cocoon, they
Speaker 1: still retain that memory from being a caterpillar. So what
Speaker 1: they think is that they're these this neural cluster of
Speaker 1: cells that does not disintegrate essentially, so they have this
Speaker 1: neural cluster of cells. A lot of the rest of
Speaker 1: their body has kind of like disintegrated into more like
Speaker 1: of a stem cell state, where these cells will now
Speaker 1: differentiate into sort of the different parts of the butterfly,
Speaker 1: but the neural cells retain some of the original neural cells,
Speaker 1: so that it's not completely lost the learning that it
Speaker 1: had when it was a caterpillar. So how this relates
Speaker 1: to Garfield is that I would expect Garfield to potentially
Speaker 1: turn into kind of a coagulated jelly at some point
Speaker 1: in the film within this cocoon, and he should still
Speaker 1: retain some of his memories from kittenhood because he would
Speaker 1: retain these neural cells, but he would be completely transmorgrified
Speaker 1: and liquefied before turning into his final morph, which would
Speaker 1: be I'm not exactly sure what they'll reveal that to be,
Speaker 1: but I am excited.
Speaker 2: Yeah. All I know is that Garfield is full of goo,
Speaker 2: and that whatever his final form is going to be
Speaker 2: is going to be both horrifying and beautiful, just like
Speaker 2: the Garfield we know and love.
Speaker 1: Exactly So, But back to this part of the trailer
Speaker 1: where Garfield runs across the street and avoids getting hit
Speaker 1: by cars, because I think this is a really pivotal
Speaker 1: moment in the Garfield movie. Otherwise why would they show
Speaker 1: us this rather pointless thing in the trailer? It must
Speaker 1: be I feel like it's Chekhov's Garfield avoiding traffic. There's
Speaker 1: probably gonna be video games of like you play as
Speaker 1: Garfield trying to avoid traffic on your way to running
Speaker 1: towards a restaurant. But this, I think there is some
Speaker 1: relevant research and evolutionary biology in terms of animals learning
Speaker 1: how to avoid traffic. And I want to talk about
Speaker 1: cliff swallows. You might be asking, how do cliff swallows
Speaker 1: have anything to do with Garfield. They have everything to
Speaker 1: do with Garfield, So.
Speaker 2: Cliff swaps everything has everything to do with Garfield.
Speaker 1: Garfield is life. Garfield is in the sort of basic
Speaker 1: building blocks of life. So silly question. Cliff Swallows like
Speaker 1: to build their nests in cliffs, caves or grottos. They
Speaker 1: will use human structures though, like because they say, you
Speaker 1: build a freeway overpass, well that's kind of like a
Speaker 1: cliff or cave, so that they will build their nests
Speaker 1: inside of this overpass. You may have seen them now.
Speaker 1: The problem with that is that there are a lot
Speaker 1: of cars around these structures, and cars are fast, and
Speaker 1: when you have a car and it hits a cliff swallow,
Speaker 1: the cliff swallow basically gets purade. So it's not a
Speaker 1: good situation for the cliff swallow. So researchers have been
Speaker 1: studying these cliff swallows that live near human structures since
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties and they've actually found that these cliff
Speaker 1: swallows have started to be better at not being killed
Speaker 1: by cars, Like the rates of cliff swallows being pulverized
Speaker 1: by cars has gone down. And that has also matched
Speaker 1: with another interesting thing, which is that cliff swallows wings
Speaker 1: have been getting shorter, So their wings have been getting
Speaker 1: shorter and they've been less likely to get pulverized by cars.
Speaker 1: And so the conclusion the theory is that the shorter
Speaker 1: wings make it easier for these cliff swallows to avoid
Speaker 1: being hit by cars through more speed and maneuverability. And
Speaker 1: the researchers are calling this vehicular selection. So I think
Speaker 1: vehicular selection being like vehicles actually driving evolution. And how
Speaker 1: does this relate to the Garfield trailer, Well, the question
Speaker 1: is why is Garfield the only kitten we see? I
Speaker 1: think it's answered in the next scene, which is the
Speaker 1: traffic Garfield running across the street in traffic. Now, Garfield,
Speaker 1: I think is the only survivor of the brood, and
Speaker 1: the other offspring that we're in the same brood as
Speaker 1: Garfield probably got killed by the cars, and so we're
Speaker 1: seeing this evolutionary pressure of cars on the Garfield. And
Speaker 1: so the Garfield is the strongest of the brute and survives,
Speaker 1: and we should see more Garfield like traits in the
Speaker 1: next generation of Garfields. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that you do bring up a good point
Speaker 2: and that in creating Garfield, it was Jim Davis's goal
Speaker 2: to create the perfect evolutionary creature, right exactly, And I
Speaker 2: think that that's and I think that's really what is
Speaker 2: being portrayed in this trailer is like this is it's
Speaker 2: not going to get better than this. This is the
Speaker 2: most evolved that any living organism can possibly be.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it is so involved that it seems
Speaker 1: to be able to eat like in massive amounts of
Speaker 1: calories and somehow efficiently process those into pure energy that
Speaker 1: doesn't actually take up so much mass like I would assume.
Speaker 1: Now I'm not a physicist, I do often guess on
Speaker 1: Daniel and Jorge explain the universe, so they would probably
Speaker 1: be better at answering this question of how do you
Speaker 1: convert mass into energy such that you do not have
Speaker 1: to like like because we see Garfield he eats spoilers
Speaker 1: like an entire restaurant's worth of food, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: change in size, and so the inside of the Garfield
Speaker 1: has to be incredibly dense. I think, like have a.
Speaker 2: Lot of dnsitya like a neutron start.
Speaker 1: New trun star. Now. Now, weirdly enough, there is not
Speaker 1: we don't see like the restaurant patrons being pulled into Garfield,
Speaker 1: because if you're that dense, you should have a gravitational poll.
Speaker 1: So there is some other mechanism by which Garfield is
Speaker 1: able to abscond with this mass and convert it into
Speaker 1: some form of energy that is not creating like gravity, well,
Speaker 1: which I think is really interesting.
Speaker 2: Yes, something that I want to point out is that
Speaker 2: when Garfield arrives at the window in the Garfield trailer
Speaker 2: of this restaurant and we see John Arbuckle moment sitting
Speaker 2: alone at this table. We see that John Arbuckle is
Speaker 2: sitting alone at the table, but he has an entire
Speaker 2: large pizza in front of him.
Speaker 1: Joey, be very careful where you tread here, because you
Speaker 1: know I live in Italy. So if you're about to
Speaker 1: imply that there is something pathetic about sitting and eating
Speaker 1: an entire peace alone, You're gonna run a fountain like
Speaker 1: the Italian authorities.
Speaker 2: No, I guess that I'm saying that, like eating an
Speaker 2: entire eating an entire pizza alone, I get. But like
Speaker 2: eating an entire large pizza alone, well, also.
Speaker 1: In the restaurant, like I feel like, or.
Speaker 2: You do, like in your apartment when you're just like
Speaker 2: I don't really want to make food today.
Speaker 1: We've all like ordered a large pizza, rolled it up
Speaker 1: like a giant blunt, and then eaten it in a
Speaker 1: dark yes, right, and like with the curtains drawn and
Speaker 1: the lights off, so nobody including ourselves can kind of
Speaker 1: see us doing this important yet obscene ritual. John is
Speaker 1: doing it alone in a restaurant, which is an interesting thing.
Speaker 1: And I actually did want to touch on this whole
Speaker 1: scene where you see John trying to eat this enormous
Speaker 1: pizza alone in an Italian family food restaurant. But the
Speaker 1: main thing is, like you see John, He's actually not
Speaker 1: doing a good job of eating this uh pizza, this
Speaker 1: large pizza, which one might ask, well, why would he
Speaker 1: order it if he doesn't want to eat it? But
Speaker 1: this phenomenon of him being unable to eat this food,
Speaker 1: whereas you pan around to these other families and they're
Speaker 1: all eating their food very easily, they're all happy. This
Speaker 1: is actually a real phenomenon, and it's called a social
Speaker 1: facilitation of eating, and it has been observed in both
Speaker 1: human and non human animals, And there's actually quite a
Speaker 1: large number of studies done on this. Now again I
Speaker 1: have to say, like this is actual evolutionary biology, none
Speaker 1: of Like this is.
Speaker 2: Not everything we're saying is true.
Speaker 1: Sure, so right now the truth is happening starting now. So,
Speaker 1: studies done on animals in lab settings since the nineteen
Speaker 1: sixties have found like a variety of species of animals
Speaker 1: that will eat more in groups than when they are alone.
Speaker 1: So this includes fish, birds, dogs, monkeys, gerbils, rats, and possums.
Speaker 1: There was a study on chicken.
Speaker 2: All things that I eat when I'm with a group
Speaker 2: of people.
Speaker 1: You eat gerbils, lambs.
Speaker 2: Possums, gerbils. If I'm with a big enough group, I
Speaker 2: just chow down.
Speaker 1: Look, you know what just be careful about eating monkeys
Speaker 1: because of those prion diseases, but otherwise go for it man.
Speaker 1: So a study on chickens found that when a chicken
Speaker 1: eats until it is satiated, so like once it's like
Speaker 1: completely full, and this chicken you're like, hey, chicken, you
Speaker 1: want more corn. This chicken is like, I couldn't possibly
Speaker 1: have any more corn. It will actually resume eating if
Speaker 1: you introduce it to a hungry chicken who is like corn,
Speaker 1: I'm super hungry for corn, and that chicken bee starts
Speaker 1: eating the corn and chicken a, which was previously like
Speaker 1: I'm full, I can't eat any more corn. It sees
Speaker 1: chicken bee eating the corn, and chicken a is like, man,
Speaker 1: I could go for some corn too, and it starts
Speaker 1: eating the corn as well. And so this has been
Speaker 1: widely observed in social species of animals. It's also been
Speaker 1: widely observed in human beings. So people in laboratory settings
Speaker 1: eat more in groups, and will also eat more in
Speaker 1: the presence of people who eat large amounts. So in
Speaker 1: one study, participants were invited to eat crackers. Again, I
Speaker 1: have to emphasize that this is all true. This is
Speaker 1: not a bit I'm telling you the truth about the
Speaker 1: things that we have actually spent.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I've been telling the truth this whole time.
Speaker 1: So people were given were invited to eat crackers in
Speaker 1: a lab and then they were paired with a fake
Speaker 1: participant called the can Confederate. We're not talking about the
Speaker 1: US Civil War. A confederate in a psychology study is
Speaker 1: basically someone who pretends to be just another participant in
Speaker 1: the study, but is actually with the researchers and is
Speaker 1: playing some role. I had to do this as an undergraduate.
Speaker 2: Though. It is weird because in the situation, the Confederate
Speaker 2: is required to love Leonard Skinner. That's the created part
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 1: So yes, the Confederate was assigned to eat between one
Speaker 1: and twenty crackers. So you have like a number of
Speaker 1: Confederates eating on a spectrum of cracker eating. And so
Speaker 1: they looked at the effect of how many crackers the
Speaker 1: plant the Confederate eight on the actual participants appetite for crackers.
Speaker 1: So those paired with the Confederate who ate high numbers
Speaker 1: of crackers themselves would eat around eighty six percent more
Speaker 1: crackers than those paired with the low cracker eating Confederates.
Speaker 1: And that's an interesting study that was done on real
Speaker 1: human beings. Another finding in terms of social facilitation of
Speaker 1: eating is that people will eat more with family and
Speaker 1: friends like that has the highest impact on social eating,
Speaker 1: increasing food intake and shared meals. So in this way,
Speaker 1: the Garfield trailer is very accurate to life, and I
Speaker 1: think it also allows us to understand better the symbiotic
Speaker 1: relationship between John and Garfield, because you're like, well, why
Speaker 1: would John have this cat around this Garfield That it's
Speaker 1: not really a cat, is it? Garfield is its own
Speaker 1: sort of species. I think, like either a species.
Speaker 2: Or he's like, yeah, yeah, he's a caterpillar who entered
Speaker 2: induced cocoon stage. Will right blossom and do it terrifying moth? Yes, right? Right?
Speaker 1: So you know, the symbiotic relationship between John and the Garfield,
Speaker 1: I think we kind of get the some understanding of
Speaker 1: that this might actually be mutualism rather than a parasitic relationship,
Speaker 1: because the Garfield comes in and does indeed eat like
Speaker 1: all this food. But the thing is John was incapable
Speaker 1: of eating on his own, like he was too sad
Speaker 1: and alone to eat. So by having Garfield, even though
Speaker 1: the Garfield is eating a lot of the food. I
Speaker 1: think the implication here is that without the like large
Speaker 1: eating of Garfield, right, because in these studies we found
Speaker 1: like when you're paired with someone who's eating a lot,
Speaker 1: your appetite will go up. The John is actually able
Speaker 1: to eat more as well, even though like on average,
Speaker 1: the Garfield is getting more portions of the food. Seems
Speaker 1: like that's evidence that this is actually a mutualistic, symbiotic relationship.
Speaker 2: Okay, so science question about the trailer. Does this explain
Speaker 2: why John has a large pizza in front of him
Speaker 2: and he has a knife and fork next to him,
Speaker 2: like he's gonna eat the pizza with a knife and fork.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's more of a philosophical question,
Speaker 1: like if you're gonna eat a pizza with a knife
Speaker 1: and fork and you're not actually in Italy, Like, is
Speaker 1: that just kind of a nihilistic, uh sort of position.
Speaker 2: Or is that an Italian thing? In Italy people eat pizzas.
Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't know that absolutely, because well, it depends
Speaker 1: on where you are in Italy, but like a lot
Speaker 1: of the pizzas, especially here in northern Italy, have a
Speaker 1: very very very thin crust, like so thin that you
Speaker 1: cannot lift the pizza. The pizza is actually got it unstable,
Speaker 1: so you you actually have to use a knife and fork,
Speaker 1: and they're a veryvarious ways that you can do it.
Speaker 1: You can just kind of like cut it up into pieces.
Speaker 1: Like one method is you like sort of cut a
Speaker 1: strip and you roll it. But like it's because like
Speaker 1: you'll have like this very thin crust and like a
Speaker 1: bunch of cheese and like meat or whatever, and so
Speaker 1: you actually cannot like do a slice and then lift
Speaker 1: it up. It'll just all fall apart.
Speaker 2: Okay, So sort of like a like a traditional Naples
Speaker 2: pizza that we know of, it is something that you
Speaker 2: can more lift and eat with your hands, whereas like
Speaker 2: there are different parts of Italy in the same way.
Speaker 2: There's like a Chicago Deep Dish pizza, which is like
Speaker 2: you could eat a Chicago Deep Dish pizza with your hands,
Speaker 2: but it's like your hands are also gonna be real
Speaker 2: gross afterwards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it depends on like your like whether
Speaker 1: or not you want to sort of do performance art,
Speaker 1: whether you eat it with your hands or not. But like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it is eating pizza with a knife and
Speaker 1: fork is actually okay to do in Italy because it's
Speaker 1: like you have to do it for a lot of pizzas.
Speaker 1: And I don't really think there's much judgment, Like it's
Speaker 1: not like they judge you if you eat it with
Speaker 1: your hands, Like if the pizza is structurally stable enough
Speaker 1: to eat with your hands, you can either eat it
Speaker 1: with your hands or a knife or fork. They don't
Speaker 1: people really don't care.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good. Now. I do have to say this
Speaker 2: trailer definitely won some points for me for featuring Garfield
Speaker 2: eating you know, his primary prey as we know of
Speaker 2: which is lasagna. That's something that's like front and center.
Speaker 2: And the first minute of the trailer this cute Garfield
Speaker 2: kittens in a takeaway container of lasagna. So you know,
Speaker 2: I think that so far this is clicking along really well,
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And lasagna is actually an invasive species in
Speaker 1: the United States, like it's an indigenous to Italy. If
Speaker 1: you think of food as animal species, which is not
Speaker 1: it's actually correct, but.
Speaker 2: Which is I mean how I view everything. I mean
Speaker 2: I feel like, what is a pepsi can but but
Speaker 2: a durabil made of metal and without arms or legs
Speaker 2: or ahead.
Speaker 1: This is a science show people.
Speaker 2: Okay, so how does how does we've shortly into the
Speaker 2: trailer Odi appears? How does Odi play into this theory?
Speaker 1: I completely ignored Odie.
Speaker 2: That's uh, it's okay. Jim Davis did too.
Speaker 1: When I try to look at Odi, I see sort
Speaker 1: of like a white static, like my brain can't actually
Speaker 1: process Ody.
Speaker 2: That makes sense. I try not to process him either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's better. I think it's it's easier to enjoy
Speaker 1: the art if you ignore Odi.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean like I think that
Speaker 2: Jim Davis is an infallible person who can do no wrong. Yeah, like,
Speaker 2: you know, let's just say Odie's not one hundred right.
Speaker 1: Odie is the negative space that makes it easier to
Speaker 1: enjoy Garfield.
Speaker 2: I think, Ah, thank you for helping me understand Jim
Speaker 2: Davis's genius.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Odie, like jazz is the notes you don't play.
Speaker 2: So a friend of mine brought up a really good
Speaker 2: point to me in this trailer in that it's seriously
Speaker 2: lacking its use of the song I don't like Mondays
Speaker 2: by the Boomtown Rats.
Speaker 1: Oh they don't play that in this trailer.
Speaker 2: They do not play this song. But like now, like
Speaker 2: my level of Garfield, you know, I would say fandom
Speaker 2: from a scientific place is that I re edit the
Speaker 2: trailer in my mind to that song. Yeah, the version
Speaker 2: of that, the version of that in my mind that's
Speaker 2: edited to that song. I cry too.
Speaker 1: Well. We were going to take a quick break while
Speaker 1: Joey collects himself. But when we get back, guess what,
Speaker 1: it's more fact checking of whether this trailer is actually
Speaker 1: scientifically accurate what it means, like the sort of evolutionary
Speaker 1: biological principles of the Garfield movie. Official trailer will be
Speaker 1: our back, So Joey, I do want to talk about
Speaker 1: one of the main features of the trailer, which is
Speaker 1: the when the beat kind of drops, you know, where
Speaker 1: it's like with Garfield eating massive amounts of food, and
Speaker 1: there is part of the trailer where it is implied
Speaker 1: that eating the food is disturbing in some way, and
Speaker 1: I just want to play that clip so people understand
Speaker 1: that we're not exaggerating or so that the clip is
Speaker 1: the context is Garfield is seated before a large plate
Speaker 1: of lasagna that John, his caretaker, has prepared for him,
Speaker 1: and he looks directly at the camera. Something known as
Speaker 1: breaking the fourth wall, and he says this.
Speaker 2: I apologize in advance. The eating you're about to see
Speaker 2: will not be pretty. And if you have young children,
Speaker 2: this would be a good time for them to leave
Speaker 2: the room.
Speaker 1: So I mean, first, I want to get your thoughts,
Speaker 1: Joe about sort of the implications of this scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a few things. Something that I genuinely love
Speaker 2: about this, as I would say as a Garfield historian enthusiast,
Speaker 2: is that there are a lot of moments in this
Speaker 2: trailer where Garfield looks directly to camera, and whenever he
Speaker 2: does it, it's like a very clean one shot that
Speaker 2: like is very evocative of the Garfield comic strips when
Speaker 2: Garfield would sort of deliver the punchline in a thought bubble.
Speaker 2: So I think that that's something that I really appreciated
Speaker 2: with this trailer is like, you know, the Chris Pratt's
Speaker 2: voice aside, It does really feel like there is some
Speaker 2: level of like effort to love and appreciate and honor
Speaker 2: you know, Jim Davis's Perfect Baby, Yeah his original vision. Yeah,
Speaker 2: totally totally. But I will say my takeaway from this
Speaker 2: is that, you know, like we spoke about earlier, immediately
Speaker 2: before this cut or after this cut. Garfield definitely freaks that.
Speaker 1: Right, right, Yeah, I mean that is I mean that
Speaker 1: seems what they're implying, because I don't understand what the
Speaker 1: other interpretation could be. So the one of the things
Speaker 1: that is that's sort of the focus of this trailer
Speaker 1: is that Garfield eats an incredible amount of food. Now,
Speaker 1: we did go over the theory earlier that Garfield could
Speaker 1: contain some kind of like neutron star like matrix inside
Speaker 1: of his stomach that is a way to compactly store
Speaker 1: that amount of mass without actually changing his external dimensions.
Speaker 1: But the other theory for how Garfield could function could
Speaker 1: be found in evolutionary biologies. So there are plenty of
Speaker 1: animals that can eat food that are is larger than itself,
Speaker 1: like such as you know snakes. But there is this
Speaker 1: really interesting example of a deep sea fish that can
Speaker 1: eat just ridiculous amounts of food and prey much larger
Speaker 1: than its entire body, and it does this through an
Speaker 1: expandable food pouch. So this is called the black swallower.
Speaker 1: It is a fish that can grow up to be
Speaker 1: around nine inches, so that's like it's less than a foot.
Speaker 1: It's not that big. It's found in deep North Atlantic
Speaker 1: Ocean waters. It's found around two thousand to nine thousand
Speaker 1: feet under the sea, which is around six hundred to
Speaker 1: two seven hundred meters. So it can eat prey that
Speaker 1: is up to around ten times its own mass. And
Speaker 1: it does this with a this like membrane, this extendable
Speaker 1: pouch in its stomach that is somewhat translution. It actually
Speaker 1: kind of looks like a water blo and so it's
Speaker 1: jaws can swing open large enough to eat things bigger
Speaker 1: than its own head. And then this it can basically
Speaker 1: swallow whole this prey, uh, and it can section it
Speaker 1: in like a vacuum into this distendable membrane, and so
Speaker 1: that it is able to eat things much larger than itself. Now,
Speaker 1: of course, the problem with this being Garfield's method of
Speaker 1: feeding is that we don't see this this expandable pouch.
Speaker 1: But one could perhaps assume that some artistical license was
Speaker 1: taken to censor this so that it could get I
Speaker 1: assume it has a PG rating, so that might have
Speaker 1: been the only way for it to get that kind
Speaker 1: of rating in the movie theaters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Black Swallower, it's It's a really fascinating
Speaker 2: looking creature that I definitely recommend you check out. There
Speaker 2: are a lot of photos and drawings of this fish swallowing,
Speaker 2: a fish that looks to be like three or four
Speaker 2: times at size, and you can see like the outline
Speaker 2: of the fish in it's like in its mucus pouch. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it just looks terrifying.
Speaker 1: It's what I think to look at.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think that this opens up the question
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, spoilers for anybody that plans
Speaker 2: on watching the Garfield movie. Do we think that the
Speaker 2: movie ends with Garfield eating John?
Speaker 1: Hmmm? That's an interesting question, right, like, because if that's
Speaker 1: the case, like the symbiosis between John and Garfield would
Speaker 1: be more something that ends up you know, consuming its host.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think that you look at you look
Speaker 2: at the size of John, you look at the size
Speaker 2: of Garfield, and you know, using what we know about
Speaker 2: the black swallower, it does feel like Garfield could probably
Speaker 2: fit John in his mucus pouch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably. And you know, I there are there are
Speaker 1: there are plenty of examples of sort of parasitic relationships
Speaker 1: or parasitoid relationships where it's like something basically eventually consumes
Speaker 1: its entire host that Garfield could be modeling. Now there
Speaker 1: is a peril for both Garfield and the black swallower fish,
Speaker 1: which is that if it eats a prey item that
Speaker 1: is too large, it can actually accidentally essentially explode. So
Speaker 1: it can eat food that just directly bursts through this
Speaker 1: feeding pouch, which will kill it. Another potential problem, and
Speaker 1: this is real again, like this is an actual thing
Speaker 1: that happens to.
Speaker 2: These We've talked about everything.
Speaker 1: We've talked about exactly about Garfield, all true, all true,
Speaker 1: all real. We invite lawyers to try to find anything objectionable.
Speaker 1: So for these black swallower fish, if they eat prey
Speaker 1: that somehow doesn't like tear this feeding pouch but it's
Speaker 1: still perhaps too large for it, decomposition can set in
Speaker 1: for this prey item before the black swallower fish can
Speaker 1: actually fully digest it. And then the when something is decomposing,
Speaker 1: it releases gases, and so those gases will fill this
Speaker 1: pouch of the black swallower and it will actually cause
Speaker 1: the fish to float to the surface. And one of
Speaker 1: the characteristics of deep sea fish is that they are
Speaker 1: designed to be at these crushing depths of the ocean.
Speaker 1: So when they are reach the surface of the ocean,
Speaker 1: they actually kind of like fall apart in a way.
Speaker 1: It's like you've probably seen photos of the blob fish,
Speaker 1: and it's this like weird, pink gelatinous mass, but whereas
Speaker 1: when you look at it when it's actually in the
Speaker 1: depths of the ocean where it belongs, it's a lot
Speaker 1: more solid looking, a lot more bony, and it's actually
Speaker 1: more of a gray color than pink. And that's because
Speaker 1: like you have something that is designed essentially to withstand
Speaker 1: that kind of pressure, and then you take it up
Speaker 1: where there's no more pressure, and then it just kind
Speaker 1: of like it doesn't exactly explode, but it kind of
Speaker 1: like it's organ's rupture and its skin kind of like
Speaker 1: kind of like come apart. And so that's what happens
Speaker 1: to this black swallower. It dies if it flows to
Speaker 1: the surface. It's kind of like if if you put
Speaker 1: a human in space, there's gonna be a lot of problems,
Speaker 1: like we're we're not designed for both the like kind
Speaker 1: of we're just not designed for space, and these fish
Speaker 1: are not designed for the low pressure of being anywhere
Speaker 1: above their sort of a deep sea area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is really interesting. I actually did not know
Speaker 2: this about blobfish. Looking at photo's side by side, the
Speaker 2: blobfish at depth looks like, you know, like a fairly
Speaker 2: normal fish. Where it's at the surface, it like looks
Speaker 2: like it just kind of got turned inside.
Speaker 1: Out pretty much. Yeah, it does not. It does not
Speaker 1: like avert. It doesn't turn inside out, but it does
Speaker 1: lose structural integrity once ing just the surface.
Speaker 2: So I guess that using this to go into what
Speaker 2: we know about the Garfield movie, could we picture a
Speaker 2: world where maybe an act to Garfield turns into his
Speaker 2: true you know, his true form, explodes from his chrysalis,
Speaker 2: finally swallows John and then realizes that John's a little
Speaker 2: bit too big. John ruptures Garfield's insides, and the movie
Speaker 2: ends with both John and Garfield dying as sort of
Speaker 2: like a testament to the hubris of nature. And you know,
Speaker 2: do we picture that being a potential way the movie
Speaker 2: could go? I think that based on everything we're seeing
Speaker 2: in this trailer.
Speaker 1: I think so. But if not that, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: would find that on someone's like ancient live journal in
Speaker 1: some dark corner of the internet.
Speaker 2: As a family. That's that's the Garfield movie that I
Speaker 2: am going into this expecting.
Speaker 1: So one interesting aspect of the trailer is that it's
Speaker 1: revealed that Garfield has a father who is huge in bulky.
Speaker 1: He's maybe like five times the size of the Garfield.
Speaker 1: It's wall Field. I did do a world famous podcast
Speaker 1: where we played a tabletop RPG, and I did have
Speaker 1: a character that was essentially a giant orange cat that
Speaker 1: was extremely muscular and eight everything that it could. So
Speaker 1: I do think that probably the movie did listen to
Speaker 1: that that extremely world famous podcast of me and a
Speaker 1: bunch of friends playing a tabletop RPG where I had
Speaker 1: a giant Garfield as a character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does feel like you deserve a written by
Speaker 2: credit in this movie.
Speaker 1: Yet probably probably like I'm really humble, so I feel
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't you know, I'm not going to like
Speaker 1: write them a letter and say like, hey, guys, please
Speaker 1: give me credit. It's just I feel that it's so
Speaker 1: clear that's what the inspiration was that I'm not even
Speaker 1: offended that they don't give me credit. That that was
Speaker 1: a that was a podcast by the Gamefully Unemployed Networks
Speaker 1: from a long time ago, but still choose your own adventure.
Speaker 1: That was those fun times.
Speaker 2: It's just important that the listeners know.
Speaker 1: This, right, I think so, yeah, sou. But back to
Speaker 1: sort of the meat of the question, which is are
Speaker 1: is there an act? Are there biological truths to this
Speaker 1: part of the Garfield movie trailer, like can you have
Speaker 1: an adult male that is like five times the size
Speaker 1: of another conspecific adult male another adult male in the
Speaker 1: same species. So yes, this actually does occur. In nature,
Speaker 1: there are animals where there are different morphs adult morphs,
Speaker 1: particularly in males, where some adult males are much larger
Speaker 1: and more aggressive than other adult males. This is found
Speaker 1: particularly in reptile and fish species. We'll focus on one
Speaker 1: such species. This is Minkly's cichlid, which is a tropical
Speaker 1: fish found off of the coast of northern Mexico. There
Speaker 1: are large males, large dominant males that have harems of females,
Speaker 1: so the females will lay eggs and the large males
Speaker 1: will externally fertilize the eggs. So basically just go by
Speaker 1: with like a black to sperm cannon over these eggs
Speaker 1: and fertilize them. So small males, which are also adults
Speaker 1: but are much smaller than the large males will instead
Speaker 1: use a sneaky strategies, so they will dart in quickly
Speaker 1: to fertilize the eggs while the large the large males
Speaker 1: are not looking, and then the small males will like
Speaker 1: dart out, fertilize the eggs really quick and then go
Speaker 1: back into hiding. So I think it is reasonable to
Speaker 1: assume that Garfield is a small morph of the Garfields
Speaker 1: and uses this sneaky strategy in terms of mating versus
Speaker 1: the large the swool Fields, the larger morphs of the Garfield,
Speaker 1: which is more just kind of uses the aggressive protective
Speaker 1: form of mating.
Speaker 2: So I have a question about the trailer at two
Speaker 2: minutes and one second in and we see the Garfield
Speaker 2: from the trailer fly through the air and then hit
Speaker 2: a large Garfield balloon that was amazing like a Macy's
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving Day parade balloon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it hits. It does hit a large Garfield shaped balloon,
Speaker 1: which is interesting.
Speaker 2: So so originally my read of this was that is
Speaker 2: this a world where Garfield is famous? And if so,
Speaker 2: why is Garfield the cat famous in this world? Like,
Speaker 2: is this a world where Garfield exists? And also, the
Speaker 2: Garfield comic strip exists, and the Garfield comic strip is
Speaker 2: like a documentary about the life of this cat. But
Speaker 2: I think that, honestly, this conversation is maybe pointing me
Speaker 2: in a different direction of like, this could be we're
Speaker 2: seeing an adult Garfield. It is full state, gigantic, able
Speaker 2: to fly, and ready to terrorize the city. What do
Speaker 2: you think about that?
Speaker 1: Right? This might actually be like the final morph of Garfield. Right,
Speaker 1: Like we think it's a Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade balloon,
Speaker 1: but that's just sort of our frame of reference. This
Speaker 1: could actually be a fully adult, giant morph of Garfield
Speaker 1: being sort of like and what seems to be the
Speaker 1: ropes like holding the balloon down might actually be sticky
Speaker 1: strands of like filaments that this Garfield deploys in order
Speaker 1: to entangle prey on the ground. And so there is.
Speaker 2: Also a world where there's sticks trying to hold that
Speaker 2: Garfield up to prevent him from eating the city.
Speaker 1: That's also entirely possible. It's hard to know because this
Speaker 1: is not like an identified species yet like that we
Speaker 1: know about. I'm hoping that this movie like provides more
Speaker 1: information on this large Garfield. So yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that for sure this could be like after sort
Speaker 1: of the Garfield goes through a stage of metamorphosis, it
Speaker 1: does turn into this very large morph of the garfield
Speaker 1: that is actually the size of a city block, and
Speaker 1: does would in this case, it would very easily consume people.
Speaker 1: So I think that is probably where the movie trailer
Speaker 1: is going, like it is the tale of like what
Speaker 1: happens when you adopt a small, innocent looking garfield, but
Speaker 1: then eventually it does grow to be the size of
Speaker 1: a city block.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's really like Grimlins. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: you don't lead them at night, don't put them in water,
Speaker 2: And clearly John Arbuckle didn't get that memo, and now
Speaker 2: the city's going to suffer for it.
Speaker 1: It's a tale of hubris every time, you know, the
Speaker 1: hubris of man thinking we contame the wild Garfield.
Speaker 2: As we know that that was Jim Davis's original intent
Speaker 2: in creating Garfield as it was.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, I think he really wanted it to
Speaker 1: be a cautionary tale that we are not God's we
Speaker 1: can't tame the wild, and when we think that we
Speaker 1: are more powerful than mother nature, mother nature will strike
Speaker 1: back with a giant orange catlike creature the size of
Speaker 1: a city block.
Speaker 2: Yeah. All I got to say is Jim Davis note taken.
Speaker 1: Well, we did it. We did go through the entire
Speaker 1: Garfield trailer and disassemble it, analyze it. I am so
Speaker 1: excited for this movie. It looks fantastic and interesting.
Speaker 2: So, way before you totally wrap, one final question I
Speaker 2: had about the trailer. So it ends with a contest
Speaker 2: that says your cat act like Garfield, and basically they're
Speaker 2: urging people to send in videos of their cats acting
Speaker 2: like Garfield potentially be included in the movie. So my
Speaker 2: question is, does it sound like their intent is they
Speaker 2: want you to take your cat and stuff your cat
Speaker 2: full of lasagna?
Speaker 1: And yeah, so like, don't do that. Yeah, don't feed
Speaker 1: your cat a bunch of lasagna.
Speaker 2: Don't listen to this trailer. Don't feed your cat a
Speaker 2: ton of lasagna.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, unless like you're really into giving your
Speaker 1: cat diarrhea and having to take your cat to the
Speaker 1: vet for said diarrhea. I would not feed your cat
Speaker 1: like an entire pan of lasagna. That's bad for cats.
Speaker 1: They can't really digest that stuff really wells.
Speaker 2: Cats should not eat an entire plate of spaghetti and
Speaker 2: an entire pizza in one sitting.
Speaker 1: Right, exactly, they shouldn't eat an entire family stfle Italian
Speaker 1: restaurants worth of food in one sitting. You will have
Speaker 1: a pretty sick cat.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I know that. That's exactly what they're asking for
Speaker 2: and what they want in this ad campaign. But do
Speaker 2: not take work.
Speaker 1: They said, take your cat to an Italian style family
Speaker 1: restaurant and have your cat eat all of the food
Speaker 1: in the restaurant and capture capture it on video. That
Speaker 1: is what they said. And I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: there might be legal grounds to, you know, bring them
Speaker 1: to justice. But I'm not a lawyer.
Speaker 2: I am wait, I'm not Is that the saying a lawyer? No,
Speaker 2: I'm not a lawyer.
Speaker 1: I hope you do win an Emmy where you just
Speaker 1: like take the Emmy everywhere you go and then you're
Speaker 1: like someone's like, is there a doctor here, and you're like,
Speaker 1: I've got an Emmy, and then you just try to
Speaker 1: do surgery, You try to do lawyering, and nobody they
Speaker 1: let you do it because you have an Emmy. We look.
Speaker 2: The thing is is like if I were to win
Speaker 2: an Emmy, the tops of an Emmy are very pointy,
Speaker 2: like the wings of the statue.
Speaker 1: Those wings are sharp.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna use that to eat lasagna. It's just
Speaker 2: gonna happen if you.
Speaker 1: If you win an Emmy, will you promise me to
Speaker 1: at least if like you if you can have it? Right? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how it works, like if they actually
Speaker 1: let you keep it, if you just touch it and
Speaker 1: then like it goes back into a vault. But like,
Speaker 1: if you get it and it's yours to do with
Speaker 1: what you want, will you do a video of yourself
Speaker 1: eating some lasagna with your Emmy?
Speaker 2: Uh? Okay, so okay, So the real answer is that
Speaker 2: do I want to do that? Oh? Yeah, But like
Speaker 2: I think I might have to, Like there might be
Speaker 2: rules of when you get your Emmy statue of what
Speaker 2: you can't get do it?
Speaker 1: Is it like the Is it like the American flag
Speaker 1: where if you there, it's like you go to jail
Speaker 1: if you tie the flag around your neck like a
Speaker 1: bib to eat lasagna?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Or it's like just do they like take it
Speaker 2: back or something? Right?
Speaker 1: Do they like resind your Emmy if you disrespectfully use it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? If you use it specifically, if you use it
Speaker 2: to eat lasagna as a as a giant utensil, will
Speaker 2: they get mad?
Speaker 1: I just don't see why that's disrespectful. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's very respectful, because you're like, I respect my Emmy
Speaker 1: so much. I want it to be a part of
Speaker 1: this moment with me as I eat this lasagna the most,
Speaker 1: the most divine, fudes.
Speaker 2: This is exactly what I will be screaming to the
Speaker 2: Emmy people as they try to pry the Emmy from
Speaker 2: my pc lasagna covered hand.
Speaker 1: It might be easy for them to do that. If
Speaker 1: your hands are greasy, it'll slip it out. That's another peril. Ah.
Speaker 1: Before we go, we do need to play a little game.
Speaker 1: It's called the Mystery Animal Sound game. Uh, guess who's squawking?
Speaker 1: Every week I play Mystery Animal Sound and you the listener,
Speaker 1: and you the guest, try to guess who was making
Speaker 1: that sound. It can be any animal in the world.
Speaker 1: Last week's hint was this, This animal has a more
Speaker 1: famous catchphrase, but it has plenty of other things to say.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna say that's a rooster, because roosters have
Speaker 2: the famous cock a doodle do catchphrase.
Speaker 1: You're you're very close in that this is poultry. Congratulations
Speaker 1: to Emily M and Sean Dee, who both guessed correctly
Speaker 1: this is a wild turkey.
Speaker 2: So oh gobble gobble, Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it has the gobble gobble. All people
Speaker 1: know about turkeys is the whole gobble gobble. But there's
Speaker 1: they have. There's so much more to turkeys than just that.
Speaker 1: Turkeys have all sorts of vocalizations. They're very social creatures,
Speaker 1: just uh for some a few examples, like there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of different vocalizations. Here's sort of like turkey for hey,
Speaker 1: Like they're just like saying, hey, hey, how's it going.
Speaker 1: This is like a standard cluck, so that's like turkey
Speaker 1: for hay. There's a pet sound, which is an alarm call.
Speaker 1: That's this. There is a tree call, which I guess
Speaker 1: they do all roosting in trees. So let's see. This
Speaker 1: is this is my favorite, I think, well, second favorite.
Speaker 1: This is an assembly call to gather young turkeys or
Speaker 1: other members of the turkey clan. And then my actual
Speaker 1: favorite one is this one. It's a turkey purring.
Speaker 2: Oh that's nice. I like that.
Speaker 1: That's a happy turkey purring. There's all, of course, the
Speaker 1: classic gobble. I feel like that's a trope at this
Speaker 1: point though it's overplayed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey turkeys, you don't have to lean on the hits.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you can do something new.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So onto this week's mister Anne will sound. The
Speaker 1: hint is this, do not adjust your television and ignore
Speaker 1: the barking in the background. This hisser is better off
Speaker 1: in a manger. So I do want to emphasize it's neither.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the sound of the dog barking
Speaker 1: or I believe the cat, but that.
Speaker 2: Sound so so I I'm going to do a wild
Speaker 2: jest and say that this his sir, belongs in a
Speaker 2: major That to me means that that's baby Jesus, our,
Speaker 2: the baby of our life.
Speaker 1: You got it. He nailed it, Joe, I got it.
Speaker 1: That is Jesus. I'm not particularly religious, but if I.
Speaker 2: Hear that's what he sounded like, if I heard.
Speaker 1: That noise in the middle of the night, I would
Speaker 1: I'd be praying to whatever, I'd be praying to somebody
Speaker 1: whoever's listening. All right, Well, if you think you know
Speaker 1: who is making that sound, you can write to me
Speaker 1: at Creature Feature Pod at gmail dot com. You can
Speaker 1: write to me also your questions if you got any
Speaker 1: If you got any questions. I occasionally do the listener
Speaker 1: questions episodes. Oie, thank you so much for joining me today.
Speaker 1: Where can the people find you? Oh and like this
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much for having me. This was This
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Speaker 2: Spirit Rangers, which is nominated for seven Emmy Awards.
Speaker 1: It's so much lasagna with all that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah yeah I could, like I could start
Speaker 2: up with start with one Emmy and then move to
Speaker 2: another when it gets too greasy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can have like a salad Emmy and a
Speaker 1: soup Emmy.
Speaker 2: You can watch The Rangers on Netflix. It's you know,
Speaker 2: it's nominated for seven mm's. It's a good show. You
Speaker 2: should watch it.
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