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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,

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Speaker 1: and today on the show, a deep dive into the factual,

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Speaker 1: accuracies and inaccuracies of the Garfield trailer. Beat by beat,

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Speaker 1: we will examine the trailer in detail and talk about

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Speaker 1: whether there are real life examples in evolutionary biology that

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Speaker 1: can lend credence to a new Garfield trailer. What a

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Speaker 1: silk moth make a better Garfield does? Social facilitation of

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Speaker 1: eating explain why John tolerates Garfield? Are there other animals

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Speaker 1: who eat horrifying amounts of food much like Garfield? Discover

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Speaker 1: this and more as we answer the age old question

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Speaker 1: how is Garfield like a subordinate male cichlid fish? Joining

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Speaker 1: me today to check the Garfield trailer with scientific facts?

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Speaker 1: Is Garfield understander? Emmy nominated producer and TV writer. Friend

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Speaker 1: of the show, Joey Clift, Welcome.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me. I'm really excited to

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Speaker 2: just finally, you know, get to the facts on this

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Speaker 2: Garfield trailer and really just let the world know what's

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Speaker 2: really going on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is very important Garfield trailer dropped. It features

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Speaker 1: a new tale of Garfield. Sort of what the sense

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Speaker 1: I got from the trailer is it's sort of telling

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Speaker 1: the tale of Garfield's life, like from kittenhood to adulthood

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Speaker 1: to like, I guess meeting his own father is a

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Speaker 1: thing in this trailer. And of course Garfield is voiced

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Speaker 1: by the most talented voice actor in the world, Chris Pratt,

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Speaker 1: who we cannot get enough of.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of things that don't sound like they should,

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Speaker 2: a goat just kind of screams instead of making sounds.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of what Chris Pratt's Garfield sounds like to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, yeah, Chris Pratt, he voices everything in every movie.

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Speaker 1: I think that the goal is just like every movie

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Speaker 1: will only be Chris Pratt playing the various roles of

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Speaker 1: voicing all of the animated character playing all the live

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Speaker 1: action roles. It is too kind of I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: efficient really to only have one guy in movies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that way you just only have one schedule that

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Speaker 2: you're really tracking instead of like a million people's schedules.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I do think I will say like I

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Speaker 2: do like Chris Pratt as an actor. I think him

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Speaker 2: as star Lord in Guardians of the Galaxy. It's like

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Speaker 2: a really fun character. But I think that him in

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Speaker 2: his voice acting work with Garfield and the Mario Brothers movie,

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Speaker 2: it kind of feels like his strategy and preparing for

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Speaker 2: these roles is just to listen to like two minutes

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Speaker 2: of somebody else doing the voice and then just be like,

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Speaker 2: I probably got it, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's what's a girlfield, I'm Rele, I'm Garfield John.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, nailed it perfect, No, No, it's

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Speaker 2: you know, yeah, He's just like, don't need don't we

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Speaker 2: don't need to do a second take. We got it,

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Speaker 2: you know, I do.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's like I get why you cast somebody like Chris

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Speaker 2: Pratt in you know, like on paper in a movie

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Speaker 2: like this, because you know, he is a movie star.

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Speaker 2: That's a draw. But like it does kind of feel

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Speaker 2: like you could have cast a voice actor to do this.

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Speaker 1: But the thing is, do voice actors have the raw,

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Speaker 1: animalistic sex appeal that Chris Pratt has? Yeah, so we

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Speaker 1: are we are discussing the Garfield trailer. But don't worry,

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Speaker 1: evolutionary biology fans. I am examining this trailer through the

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Speaker 1: lens of evolutionary biology. What do I mean by that?

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Speaker 1: Going through the trailer beat by beat, at every point

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Speaker 1: of the trailer, every sort of claim this trailer makes

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Speaker 1: about Garfield's life, we are going to see if there

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Speaker 1: is a real evolutionary biology example of such a thing

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Speaker 1: to really kind of we're fact checking this trailer. We're

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Speaker 1: seeing if this trailer holds any water in terms of

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Speaker 1: actual evolutionary biology. And so we start in the trailer

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Speaker 1: with Garfield an orange kitten in a box in the rain,

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Speaker 1: looking very sad, and then he smells food seemingly from

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Speaker 1: like quite a ways away, Like he smells food inside

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Speaker 1: of a restaurant, like all the way across the street

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Speaker 1: in the rain, which is pretty impressive. I think it might.

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Speaker 1: It seems like it'd be hard to smell food from

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Speaker 1: orange and fluffy that can detect odors from very far

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Speaker 1: away ys? Indeed, the Maleanathus silk moth can do this

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Speaker 1: like Garfield. So the Sanathis silk moth is sort of

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Speaker 1: a reddish orangish color. It is fluffy like Garfield. It's

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I will say something that was really important to

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Speaker 2: me about this episode was, you know, fact checking this

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Speaker 2: Garfield trailer because you know, as we know, Jim Davis,

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Speaker 2: the creative Garfield, famed cartoonist and evolutionary biologist, really created

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Speaker 2: the Garfield comic stript as a way to honor, you know,

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Speaker 2: just like his factual love for different, you know, animal phenotypes.

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Speaker 2: So I will say that you know, this, this this

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Speaker 2: creature that you sent me, he has a rust colored

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Speaker 2: orange color that I think is it's very close to

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Speaker 2: is that when Jim Davis originally created Garfield, he definitely

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Speaker 2: which is the the orange coloration of this insect mixed

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Speaker 2: with it presumably this insects like just ravenous love of lasagna,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I think he just nailed it, And like,

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Speaker 2: as a member of the scientific community, I'm just gonna

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Speaker 2: applaud him for his work.

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Speaker 1: So I did have the fact check you, Joey, because

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Speaker 1: jokes are not allowed on this show. You said that

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Speaker 1: Jim Davis is an evolutionary biologist. Now this is, of

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Speaker 1: course not true. Jim Davis did grow up on a farm, however,

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Speaker 1: which informed him, I suppose, of the existence of cats.

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Speaker 1: So he used that farm experience to know that cats

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Speaker 1: were indeed an animal that exists, and then he drew

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Speaker 1: a cat, and that cat was Garfield. He also worked

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Speaker 1: And one might conclude that Garfield is a cynical attempt

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Speaker 1: And what I would say to people who come to

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Speaker 1: that conclusion is, have you no joy in your life?

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Speaker 1: Do you have no childlike Spark of Wonder where you

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Speaker 1: can ignore the implications that Garfield is just a cynical

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to that, I say, is this the moment that

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Speaker 2: I learned that everything I know about Jim Davis is

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Speaker 2: a lie. No, I refuse to believe that.

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Speaker 1: So yes, but about this this moth, this silk moth,

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Speaker 1: It is an orange fluffy guy. The orange fluffy guys

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Speaker 1: relatively large. They're found in North America. The Ceanothus silk

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Speaker 1: this species of moth, they don't really sport a cute

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Speaker 1: fluffy and tina that they can use to detect female

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Speaker 1: sex pheromones from miles away, So many miles away, these

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Speaker 1: the original type of horny. And so these moths will

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Speaker 1: The caterpillars will will voraciously eat the plants. The caterpillars

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Speaker 1: these beautiful little blue and red tubercules. So tubercules. It

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Speaker 1: sounds malignant, It does not sound like a nice thing.

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Speaker 1: But these are just basically horny projections that are found

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Speaker 1: adult sy Aanathis silk moths have eye spots on the

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Speaker 1: tips of their wings, and the patterns on their wings

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Speaker 1: almost look like a pair of snakeheads, which is possibly

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Speaker 1: a form of baitsy and mimicry for these moths to

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Speaker 1: say like, hey, I'm not a moth, I'm actually two snakes.

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Speaker 1: So like bug off, much like how Garfield has eye

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Speaker 1: kind of you know, horrifying monster when he turns his

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Speaker 2: So just uh, I just want to clarify that we

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Speaker 2: are definitely saying in this that it is Garfield's goal too.

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Speaker 2: The reason he can smell a zangna from so far

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Speaker 2: is yes, you know, I think just scientific fact at

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Speaker 2: this point. And you know, I do think that you

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Speaker 2: bring up a really good point about the eye spots

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Speaker 2: on his back. So I think that Garfield is Jim

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Speaker 1: You know how Like you look at Garfield and he

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Speaker 1: Actually there's like a normal cat face like on the

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Speaker 1: we see are his baitsy and memicry eye spots, So

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Speaker 1: It is too late. Yeah, if you see the whites

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Speaker 2: You're about to be eaten with Garfield's bare hands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and to your earlier point that like Garfield's eating

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Speaker 1: heavily implied by this Garfield trailer. We're not just freaks.

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Speaker 1: Like this trailer has a whole scene in it where

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Speaker 1: it's like Garfield's about to go down on some lasagna

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Speaker 1: and he's like the younger members of the audience might

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Speaker 1: want to look away because one can only assume it

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Speaker 1: means he's going to attempt to meete with the lazagna.

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Speaker 2: I think he's going to attempt and succeed. Yes, Garfield

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Speaker 1: So you think Garfield could seduce a plate of lazagna?

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Speaker 1: Lazan all day. So we're going to take a quick break,

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Speaker 1: but then when we get back we will discuss more

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Speaker 1: of the Garfield trailer and how there are indeed real

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Speaker 1: life evolutionary examples of animals doing the same things that

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Speaker 1: Garfield does in this trailer. Lots of learning ahead, folks,

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Speaker 1: So stay tuned. All Right, we're back. And I'm certainly

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Speaker 1: not just using the Garfield movie trailer as a pretext

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Speaker 1: to slip in some sneaky education about evolutionary biology. No, no,

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Speaker 1: I deeply care about this trailer. So the next part

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Speaker 1: of the trailer is Garfield running across the street and

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Speaker 1: this is an overused trope. I say to them, shut up, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I will say that based on Garfield's character design,

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Speaker 1: which I will say that is something that I really

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Speaker 1: Exactly So, But back to this part of the trailer

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Speaker 1: Sure, so right now the truth is happening starting now. So,

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Speaker 2: of people.

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Speaker 1: You eat gerbils, lambs.

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00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: Possums, gerbils. If I'm with a big enough group, I

433
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: just chow down.

434
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Speaker 1: Look, you know what just be careful about eating monkeys

435
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: because of those prion diseases, but otherwise go for it man.

436
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Speaker 1: So a study on chickens found that when a chicken

437
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: eats until it is satiated, so like once it's like

438
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Speaker 1: completely full, and this chicken you're like, hey, chicken, you

439
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: want more corn. This chicken is like, I couldn't possibly

440
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: have any more corn. It will actually resume eating if

441
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: you introduce it to a hungry chicken who is like corn,

442
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm super hungry for corn, and that chicken bee starts

443
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: eating the corn and chicken a, which was previously like

444
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Speaker 1: I'm full, I can't eat any more corn. It sees

445
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: chicken bee eating the corn, and chicken a is like, man,

446
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: I could go for some corn too, and it starts

447
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: eating the corn as well. And so this has been

448
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Speaker 1: widely observed in social species of animals. It's also been

449
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: widely observed in human beings. So people in laboratory settings

450
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,479
Speaker 1: eat more in groups, and will also eat more in

451
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Speaker 1: the presence of people who eat large amounts. So in

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00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: one study, participants were invited to eat crackers. Again, I

453
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Speaker 1: have to emphasize that this is all true. This is

454
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Speaker 1: not a bit I'm telling you the truth about the

455
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Speaker 1: things that we have actually spent.

456
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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I've been telling the truth this whole time.

457
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Speaker 1: So people were given were invited to eat crackers in

458
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Speaker 1: a lab and then they were paired with a fake

459
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Speaker 1: participant called the can Confederate. We're not talking about the

460
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: US Civil War. A confederate in a psychology study is

461
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Speaker 1: basically someone who pretends to be just another participant in

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Speaker 1: the study, but is actually with the researchers and is

463
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Speaker 1: playing some role. I had to do this as an undergraduate.

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Speaker 2: Though. It is weird because in the situation, the Confederate

465
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: is required to love Leonard Skinner. That's the created part

466
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Speaker 2: of this.

467
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: So yes, the Confederate was assigned to eat between one

468
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: and twenty crackers. So you have like a number of

469
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Speaker 1: Confederates eating on a spectrum of cracker eating. And so

470
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Speaker 1: they looked at the effect of how many crackers the

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Speaker 1: plant the Confederate eight on the actual participants appetite for crackers.

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Speaker 1: So those paired with the Confederate who ate high numbers

473
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Speaker 1: of crackers themselves would eat around eighty six percent more

474
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Speaker 1: crackers than those paired with the low cracker eating Confederates.

475
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Speaker 1: And that's an interesting study that was done on real

476
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Speaker 1: human beings. Another finding in terms of social facilitation of

477
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Speaker 1: eating is that people will eat more with family and

478
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: friends like that has the highest impact on social eating,

479
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: increasing food intake and shared meals. So in this way,

480
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Speaker 1: the Garfield trailer is very accurate to life, and I

481
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: think it also allows us to understand better the symbiotic

482
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Speaker 1: relationship between John and Garfield, because you're like, well, why

483
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: would John have this cat around this Garfield That it's

484
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: not really a cat, is it? Garfield is its own

485
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: sort of species. I think, like either a species.

486
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: Or he's like, yeah, yeah, he's a caterpillar who entered

487
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: induced cocoon stage. Will right blossom and do it terrifying moth? Yes, right? Right?

488
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: So you know, the symbiotic relationship between John and the Garfield,

489
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Speaker 1: I think we kind of get the some understanding of

490
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: that this might actually be mutualism rather than a parasitic relationship,

491
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: because the Garfield comes in and does indeed eat like

492
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: all this food. But the thing is John was incapable

493
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: of eating on his own, like he was too sad

494
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: and alone to eat. So by having Garfield, even though

495
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: the Garfield is eating a lot of the food. I

496
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: think the implication here is that without the like large

497
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: eating of Garfield, right, because in these studies we found

498
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Speaker 1: like when you're paired with someone who's eating a lot,

499
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: your appetite will go up. The John is actually able

500
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: to eat more as well, even though like on average,

501
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: the Garfield is getting more portions of the food. Seems

502
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Speaker 1: like that's evidence that this is actually a mutualistic, symbiotic relationship.

503
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Speaker 2: Okay, so science question about the trailer. Does this explain

504
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: why John has a large pizza in front of him

505
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: and he has a knife and fork next to him,

506
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: like he's gonna eat the pizza with a knife and fork.

507
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's more of a philosophical question,

508
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: like if you're gonna eat a pizza with a knife

509
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: and fork and you're not actually in Italy, Like, is

510
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: that just kind of a nihilistic, uh sort of position.

511
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: Or is that an Italian thing? In Italy people eat pizzas.

512
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't know that absolutely, because well, it depends

513
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 1: on where you are in Italy, but like a lot

514
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: of the pizzas, especially here in northern Italy, have a

515
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: very very very thin crust, like so thin that you

516
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: cannot lift the pizza. The pizza is actually got it unstable,

517
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: so you you actually have to use a knife and fork,

518
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: and they're a veryvarious ways that you can do it.

519
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: You can just kind of like cut it up into pieces.

520
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: Like one method is you like sort of cut a

521
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: strip and you roll it. But like it's because like

522
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: you'll have like this very thin crust and like a

523
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: bunch of cheese and like meat or whatever, and so

524
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: you actually cannot like do a slice and then lift

525
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: it up. It'll just all fall apart.

526
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Speaker 2: Okay, So sort of like a like a traditional Naples

527
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: pizza that we know of, it is something that you

528
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: can more lift and eat with your hands, whereas like

529
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: there are different parts of Italy in the same way.

530
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: There's like a Chicago Deep Dish pizza, which is like

531
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Speaker 2: you could eat a Chicago Deep Dish pizza with your hands,

532
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: but it's like your hands are also gonna be real

533
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: gross afterwards.

534
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it depends on like your like whether

535
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: or not you want to sort of do performance art,

536
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: whether you eat it with your hands or not. But like, yeah,

537
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: I mean it is eating pizza with a knife and

538
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: fork is actually okay to do in Italy because it's

539
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: like you have to do it for a lot of pizzas.

540
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: And I don't really think there's much judgment, Like it's

541
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: not like they judge you if you eat it with

542
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: your hands, Like if the pizza is structurally stable enough

543
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: to eat with your hands, you can either eat it

544
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: with your hands or a knife or fork. They don't

545
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: people really don't care.

546
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good. Now. I do have to say this

547
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: trailer definitely won some points for me for featuring Garfield

548
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: eating you know, his primary prey as we know of

549
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: which is lasagna. That's something that's like front and center.

550
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: And the first minute of the trailer this cute Garfield

551
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: kittens in a takeaway container of lasagna. So you know,

552
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: I think that so far this is clicking along really well,

553
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm really excited about it.

554
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And lasagna is actually an invasive species in

555
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: the United States, like it's an indigenous to Italy. If

556
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: you think of food as animal species, which is not

557
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: it's actually correct, but.

558
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: Which is I mean how I view everything. I mean

559
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: I feel like, what is a pepsi can but but

560
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 2: a durabil made of metal and without arms or legs

561
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: or ahead.

562
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: This is a science show people.

563
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so how does how does we've shortly into the

564
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: trailer Odi appears? How does Odi play into this theory?

565
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: I completely ignored Odie.

566
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: That's uh, it's okay. Jim Davis did too.

567
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: When I try to look at Odi, I see sort

568
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: of like a white static, like my brain can't actually

569
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: process Ody.

570
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: That makes sense. I try not to process him either.

571
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's better. I think it's it's easier to enjoy

572
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: the art if you ignore Odi.

573
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean like I think that

574
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: Jim Davis is an infallible person who can do no wrong. Yeah, like,

575
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: you know, let's just say Odie's not one hundred right.

576
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: Odie is the negative space that makes it easier to

577
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: enjoy Garfield.

578
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: I think, Ah, thank you for helping me understand Jim

579
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: Davis's genius.

580
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Odie, like jazz is the notes you don't play.

581
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: So a friend of mine brought up a really good

582
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: point to me in this trailer in that it's seriously

583
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: lacking its use of the song I don't like Mondays

584
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: by the Boomtown Rats.

585
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: Oh they don't play that in this trailer.

586
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 2: They do not play this song. But like now, like

587
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 2: my level of Garfield, you know, I would say fandom

588
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: from a scientific place is that I re edit the

589
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 2: trailer in my mind to that song. Yeah, the version

590
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 2: of that, the version of that in my mind that's

591
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: edited to that song. I cry too.

592
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: Well. We were going to take a quick break while

593
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: Joey collects himself. But when we get back, guess what,

594
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: it's more fact checking of whether this trailer is actually

595
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: scientifically accurate what it means, like the sort of evolutionary

596
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: biological principles of the Garfield movie. Official trailer will be

597
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: our back, So Joey, I do want to talk about

598
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: one of the main features of the trailer, which is

599
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: the when the beat kind of drops, you know, where

600
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:22,479
Speaker 1: it's like with Garfield eating massive amounts of food, and

601
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: there is part of the trailer where it is implied

602
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: that eating the food is disturbing in some way, and

603
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: I just want to play that clip so people understand

604
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: that we're not exaggerating or so that the clip is

605
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 1: the context is Garfield is seated before a large plate

606
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: of lasagna that John, his caretaker, has prepared for him,

607
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: and he looks directly at the camera. Something known as

608
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: breaking the fourth wall, and he says this.

609
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: I apologize in advance. The eating you're about to see

610
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: will not be pretty. And if you have young children,

611
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: this would be a good time for them to leave

612
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: the room.

613
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: So I mean, first, I want to get your thoughts,

614
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: Joe about sort of the implications of this scene.

615
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a few things. Something that I genuinely love

616
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: about this, as I would say as a Garfield historian enthusiast,

617
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: is that there are a lot of moments in this

618
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: trailer where Garfield looks directly to camera, and whenever he

619
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: does it, it's like a very clean one shot that

620
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 2: like is very evocative of the Garfield comic strips when

621
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: Garfield would sort of deliver the punchline in a thought bubble.

622
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: So I think that that's something that I really appreciated

623
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 2: with this trailer is like, you know, the Chris Pratt's

624
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: voice aside, It does really feel like there is some

625
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: level of like effort to love and appreciate and honor

626
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 2: you know, Jim Davis's Perfect Baby, Yeah his original vision. Yeah,

627
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: totally totally. But I will say my takeaway from this

628
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: is that, you know, like we spoke about earlier, immediately

629
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: before this cut or after this cut. Garfield definitely freaks that.

630
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: Right, right, Yeah, I mean that is I mean that

631
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: seems what they're implying, because I don't understand what the

632
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: other interpretation could be. So the one of the things

633
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: that is that's sort of the focus of this trailer

634
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: is that Garfield eats an incredible amount of food. Now,

635
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: we did go over the theory earlier that Garfield could

636
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: contain some kind of like neutron star like matrix inside

637
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: of his stomach that is a way to compactly store

638
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 1: that amount of mass without actually changing his external dimensions.

639
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: But the other theory for how Garfield could function could

640
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: be found in evolutionary biologies. So there are plenty of

641
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: animals that can eat food that are is larger than itself,

642
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: like such as you know snakes. But there is this

643
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: really interesting example of a deep sea fish that can

644
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: eat just ridiculous amounts of food and prey much larger

645
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: than its entire body, and it does this through an

646
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: expandable food pouch. So this is called the black swallower.

647
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Speaker 1: It is a fish that can grow up to be

648
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: around nine inches, so that's like it's less than a foot.

649
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: It's not that big. It's found in deep North Atlantic

650
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: Ocean waters. It's found around two thousand to nine thousand

651
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 1: feet under the sea, which is around six hundred to

652
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: two seven hundred meters. So it can eat prey that

653
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: is up to around ten times its own mass. And

654
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: it does this with a this like membrane, this extendable

655
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: pouch in its stomach that is somewhat translution. It actually

656
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: kind of looks like a water blo and so it's

657
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: jaws can swing open large enough to eat things bigger

658
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: than its own head. And then this it can basically

659
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: swallow whole this prey, uh, and it can section it

660
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: in like a vacuum into this distendable membrane, and so

661
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: that it is able to eat things much larger than itself. Now,

662
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: of course, the problem with this being Garfield's method of

663
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: feeding is that we don't see this this expandable pouch.

664
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: But one could perhaps assume that some artistical license was

665
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: taken to censor this so that it could get I

666
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: assume it has a PG rating, so that might have

667
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: been the only way for it to get that kind

668
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: of rating in the movie theaters.

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00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Black Swallower, it's It's a really fascinating

670
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: looking creature that I definitely recommend you check out. There

671
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: are a lot of photos and drawings of this fish swallowing,

672
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 2: a fish that looks to be like three or four

673
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: times at size, and you can see like the outline

674
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: of the fish in it's like in its mucus pouch. Yeah,

675
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: and it just looks terrifying.

676
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: It's what I think to look at.

677
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think that this opens up the question

678
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, spoilers for anybody that plans

679
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: on watching the Garfield movie. Do we think that the

680
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: movie ends with Garfield eating John?

681
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: Hmmm? That's an interesting question, right, like, because if that's

682
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: the case, like the symbiosis between John and Garfield would

683
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 1: be more something that ends up you know, consuming its host.

684
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think that you look at you look

685
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: at the size of John, you look at the size

686
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: of Garfield, and you know, using what we know about

687
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 2: the black swallower, it does feel like Garfield could probably

688
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: fit John in his mucus pouch.

689
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably. And you know, I there are there are

690
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: there are plenty of examples of sort of parasitic relationships

691
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: or parasitoid relationships where it's like something basically eventually consumes

692
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: its entire host that Garfield could be modeling. Now there

693
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: is a peril for both Garfield and the black swallower fish,

694
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: which is that if it eats a prey item that

695
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: is too large, it can actually accidentally essentially explode. So

696
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: it can eat food that just directly bursts through this

697
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: feeding pouch, which will kill it. Another potential problem, and

698
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: this is real again, like this is an actual thing

699
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: that happens to.

700
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 2: These We've talked about everything.

701
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: We've talked about exactly about Garfield, all true, all true,

702
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: all real. We invite lawyers to try to find anything objectionable.

703
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: So for these black swallower fish, if they eat prey

704
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: that somehow doesn't like tear this feeding pouch but it's

705
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: still perhaps too large for it, decomposition can set in

706
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: for this prey item before the black swallower fish can

707
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: actually fully digest it. And then the when something is decomposing,

708
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: it releases gases, and so those gases will fill this

709
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: pouch of the black swallower and it will actually cause

710
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: the fish to float to the surface. And one of

711
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: the characteristics of deep sea fish is that they are

712
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: designed to be at these crushing depths of the ocean.

713
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: So when they are reach the surface of the ocean,

714
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: they actually kind of like fall apart in a way.

715
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: It's like you've probably seen photos of the blob fish,

716
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: and it's this like weird, pink gelatinous mass, but whereas

717
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: when you look at it when it's actually in the

718
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: depths of the ocean where it belongs, it's a lot

719
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: more solid looking, a lot more bony, and it's actually

720
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: more of a gray color than pink. And that's because

721
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: like you have something that is designed essentially to withstand

722
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: that kind of pressure, and then you take it up

723
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: where there's no more pressure, and then it just kind

724
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: of like it doesn't exactly explode, but it kind of

725
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: like it's organ's rupture and its skin kind of like

726
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: kind of like come apart. And so that's what happens

727
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: to this black swallower. It dies if it flows to

728
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: the surface. It's kind of like if if you put

729
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: a human in space, there's gonna be a lot of problems,

730
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: like we're we're not designed for both the like kind

731
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: of we're just not designed for space, and these fish

732
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: are not designed for the low pressure of being anywhere

733
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 1: above their sort of a deep sea area.

734
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is really interesting. I actually did not know

735
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: this about blobfish. Looking at photo's side by side, the

736
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 2: blobfish at depth looks like, you know, like a fairly

737
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: normal fish. Where it's at the surface, it like looks

738
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: like it just kind of got turned inside.

739
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: Out pretty much. Yeah, it does not. It does not

740
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: like avert. It doesn't turn inside out, but it does

741
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: lose structural integrity once ing just the surface.

742
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: So I guess that using this to go into what

743
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: we know about the Garfield movie, could we picture a

744
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: world where maybe an act to Garfield turns into his

745
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 2: true you know, his true form, explodes from his chrysalis,

746
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: finally swallows John and then realizes that John's a little

747
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: bit too big. John ruptures Garfield's insides, and the movie

748
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: ends with both John and Garfield dying as sort of

749
00:46:53,200 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: like a testament to the hubris of nature. And you know,

750
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: do we picture that being a potential way the movie

751
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: could go? I think that based on everything we're seeing

752
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: in this trailer.

753
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: I think so. But if not that, I'm sure you

754
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: would find that on someone's like ancient live journal in

755
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: some dark corner of the internet.

756
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: As a family. That's that's the Garfield movie that I

757
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: am going into this expecting.

758
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 1: So one interesting aspect of the trailer is that it's

759
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: revealed that Garfield has a father who is huge in bulky.

760
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: He's maybe like five times the size of the Garfield.

761
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: It's wall Field. I did do a world famous podcast

762
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: where we played a tabletop RPG, and I did have

763
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: a character that was essentially a giant orange cat that

764
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: was extremely muscular and eight everything that it could. So

765
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: I do think that probably the movie did listen to

766
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: that that extremely world famous podcast of me and a

767
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: bunch of friends playing a tabletop RPG where I had

768
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: a giant Garfield as a character.

769
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does feel like you deserve a written by

770
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: credit in this movie.

771
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: Yet probably probably like I'm really humble, so I feel

772
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't you know, I'm not going to like

773
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: write them a letter and say like, hey, guys, please

774
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: give me credit. It's just I feel that it's so

775
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: clear that's what the inspiration was that I'm not even

776
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: offended that they don't give me credit. That that was

777
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: a that was a podcast by the Gamefully Unemployed Networks

778
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: from a long time ago, but still choose your own adventure.

779
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: That was those fun times.

780
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 2: It's just important that the listeners know.

781
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: This, right, I think so, yeah, sou. But back to

782
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: sort of the meat of the question, which is are

783
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: is there an act? Are there biological truths to this

784
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: part of the Garfield movie trailer, like can you have

785
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: an adult male that is like five times the size

786
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: of another conspecific adult male another adult male in the

787
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: same species. So yes, this actually does occur. In nature,

788
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: there are animals where there are different morphs adult morphs,

789
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: particularly in males, where some adult males are much larger

790
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: and more aggressive than other adult males. This is found

791
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: particularly in reptile and fish species. We'll focus on one

792
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: such species. This is Minkly's cichlid, which is a tropical

793
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: fish found off of the coast of northern Mexico. There

794
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: are large males, large dominant males that have harems of females,

795
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: so the females will lay eggs and the large males

796
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 1: will externally fertilize the eggs. So basically just go by

797
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: with like a black to sperm cannon over these eggs

798
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: and fertilize them. So small males, which are also adults

799
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: but are much smaller than the large males will instead

800
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: use a sneaky strategies, so they will dart in quickly

801
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: to fertilize the eggs while the large the large males

802
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: are not looking, and then the small males will like

803
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: dart out, fertilize the eggs really quick and then go

804
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: back into hiding. So I think it is reasonable to

805
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: assume that Garfield is a small morph of the Garfields

806
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: and uses this sneaky strategy in terms of mating versus

807
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: the large the swool Fields, the larger morphs of the Garfield,

808
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: which is more just kind of uses the aggressive protective

809
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: form of mating.

810
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: So I have a question about the trailer at two

811
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: minutes and one second in and we see the Garfield

812
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: from the trailer fly through the air and then hit

813
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: a large Garfield balloon that was amazing like a Macy's

814
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving Day parade balloon.

815
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it hits. It does hit a large Garfield shaped balloon,

816
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: which is interesting.

817
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: So so originally my read of this was that is

818
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 2: this a world where Garfield is famous? And if so,

819
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 2: why is Garfield the cat famous in this world? Like,

820
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: is this a world where Garfield exists? And also, the

821
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: Garfield comic strip exists, and the Garfield comic strip is

822
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: like a documentary about the life of this cat. But

823
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: I think that, honestly, this conversation is maybe pointing me

824
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 2: in a different direction of like, this could be we're

825
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 2: seeing an adult Garfield. It is full state, gigantic, able

826
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 2: to fly, and ready to terrorize the city. What do

827
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: you think about that?

828
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: Right? This might actually be like the final morph of Garfield. Right,

829
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: Like we think it's a Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade balloon,

830
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: but that's just sort of our frame of reference. This

831
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: could actually be a fully adult, giant morph of Garfield

832
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: being sort of like and what seems to be the

833
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: ropes like holding the balloon down might actually be sticky

834
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,479
Speaker 1: strands of like filaments that this Garfield deploys in order

835
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: to entangle prey on the ground. And so there is.

836
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: Also a world where there's sticks trying to hold that

837
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: Garfield up to prevent him from eating the city.

838
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: That's also entirely possible. It's hard to know because this

839
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 1: is not like an identified species yet like that we

840
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: know about. I'm hoping that this movie like provides more

841
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: information on this large Garfield. So yeah, I mean, I

842
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: think that for sure this could be like after sort

843
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: of the Garfield goes through a stage of metamorphosis, it

844
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: does turn into this very large morph of the garfield

845
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: that is actually the size of a city block, and

846
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: does would in this case, it would very easily consume people.

847
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 1: So I think that is probably where the movie trailer

848
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: is going, like it is the tale of like what

849
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: happens when you adopt a small, innocent looking garfield, but

850
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: then eventually it does grow to be the size of

851
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 1: a city block.

852
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's really like Grimlins. It's like, you know,

853
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: you don't lead them at night, don't put them in water,

854
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: And clearly John Arbuckle didn't get that memo, and now

855
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 2: the city's going to suffer for it.

856
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: It's a tale of hubris every time, you know, the

857
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: hubris of man thinking we contame the wild Garfield.

858
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 2: As we know that that was Jim Davis's original intent

859
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 2: in creating Garfield as it was.

860
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, I think he really wanted it to

861
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: be a cautionary tale that we are not God's we

862
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: can't tame the wild, and when we think that we

863
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Speaker 1: are more powerful than mother nature, mother nature will strike

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Speaker 1: back with a giant orange catlike creature the size of

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Speaker 1: a city block.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. All I got to say is Jim Davis note taken.

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Speaker 1: Well, we did it. We did go through the entire

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Speaker 1: Garfield trailer and disassemble it, analyze it. I am so

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Speaker 1: excited for this movie. It looks fantastic and interesting.

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Speaker 2: So, way before you totally wrap, one final question I

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Speaker 2: had about the trailer. So it ends with a contest

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Speaker 2: that says your cat act like Garfield, and basically they're

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Speaker 2: urging people to send in videos of their cats acting

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Speaker 2: like Garfield potentially be included in the movie. So my

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Speaker 2: question is, does it sound like their intent is they

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Speaker 2: want you to take your cat and stuff your cat

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Speaker 2: full of lasagna?

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Speaker 1: And yeah, so like, don't do that. Yeah, don't feed

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Speaker 1: your cat a bunch of lasagna.

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Speaker 2: Don't listen to this trailer. Don't feed your cat a

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Speaker 2: ton of lasagna.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, unless like you're really into giving your

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Speaker 1: cat diarrhea and having to take your cat to the

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Speaker 1: vet for said diarrhea. I would not feed your cat

885
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Speaker 1: like an entire pan of lasagna. That's bad for cats.

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Speaker 1: They can't really digest that stuff really wells.

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Speaker 2: Cats should not eat an entire plate of spaghetti and

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00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 2: an entire pizza in one sitting.

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Speaker 1: Right, exactly, they shouldn't eat an entire family stfle Italian

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Speaker 1: restaurants worth of food in one sitting. You will have

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00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: a pretty sick cat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I know that. That's exactly what they're asking for

893
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Speaker 2: and what they want in this ad campaign. But do

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Speaker 2: not take work.

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Speaker 1: They said, take your cat to an Italian style family

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Speaker 1: restaurant and have your cat eat all of the food

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Speaker 1: in the restaurant and capture capture it on video. That

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Speaker 1: is what they said. And I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 1: there might be legal grounds to, you know, bring them

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Speaker 1: to justice. But I'm not a lawyer.

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00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 2: I am wait, I'm not Is that the saying a lawyer? No,

902
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: I'm not a lawyer.

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Speaker 1: I hope you do win an Emmy where you just

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Speaker 1: like take the Emmy everywhere you go and then you're

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00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: like someone's like, is there a doctor here, and you're like,

906
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: I've got an Emmy, and then you just try to

907
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: do surgery, You try to do lawyering, and nobody they

908
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: let you do it because you have an Emmy. We look.

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Speaker 2: The thing is is like if I were to win

910
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 2: an Emmy, the tops of an Emmy are very pointy,

911
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Speaker 2: like the wings of the statue.

912
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: Those wings are sharp.

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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna use that to eat lasagna. It's just

914
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 2: gonna happen if you.

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Speaker 1: If you win an Emmy, will you promise me to

916
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: at least if like you if you can have it? Right? Like,

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00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how it works, like if they actually

918
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: let you keep it, if you just touch it and

919
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: then like it goes back into a vault. But like,

920
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: if you get it and it's yours to do with

921
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: what you want, will you do a video of yourself

922
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: eating some lasagna with your Emmy?

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00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 2: Uh? Okay, so okay, So the real answer is that

924
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 2: do I want to do that? Oh? Yeah, But like

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Speaker 2: I think I might have to, Like there might be

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Speaker 2: rules of when you get your Emmy statue of what

927
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 2: you can't get do it?

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00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: Is it like the Is it like the American flag

929
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: where if you there, it's like you go to jail

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00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: if you tie the flag around your neck like a

931
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Speaker 1: bib to eat lasagna?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Or it's like just do they like take it

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00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 2: back or something? Right?

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Speaker 1: Do they like resind your Emmy if you disrespectfully use it?

935
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: Yeah? If you use it specifically, if you use it

936
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Speaker 2: to eat lasagna as a as a giant utensil, will

937
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:17,479
Speaker 2: they get mad?

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Speaker 1: I just don't see why that's disrespectful. I feel like

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00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: that's very respectful, because you're like, I respect my Emmy

940
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: so much. I want it to be a part of

941
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Speaker 1: this moment with me as I eat this lasagna the most,

942
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: the most divine, fudes.

943
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: This is exactly what I will be screaming to the

944
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Speaker 2: Emmy people as they try to pry the Emmy from

945
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: my pc lasagna covered hand.

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Speaker 1: It might be easy for them to do that. If

947
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: your hands are greasy, it'll slip it out. That's another peril. Ah.

948
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Speaker 1: Before we go, we do need to play a little game.

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Speaker 1: It's called the Mystery Animal Sound game. Uh, guess who's squawking?

950
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: Every week I play Mystery Animal Sound and you the listener,

951
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: and you the guest, try to guess who was making

952
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: that sound. It can be any animal in the world.

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00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: Last week's hint was this, This animal has a more

954
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: famous catchphrase, but it has plenty of other things to say.

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00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna say that's a rooster, because roosters have

956
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 2: the famous cock a doodle do catchphrase.

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00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: You're you're very close in that this is poultry. Congratulations

958
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: to Emily M and Sean Dee, who both guessed correctly

959
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: this is a wild turkey.

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00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 2: So oh gobble gobble, Oh.

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00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it has the gobble gobble. All people

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00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: know about turkeys is the whole gobble gobble. But there's

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00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: they have. There's so much more to turkeys than just that.

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00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: Turkeys have all sorts of vocalizations. They're very social creatures,

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Speaker 1: just uh for some a few examples, like there's a

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Speaker 1: bunch of different vocalizations. Here's sort of like turkey for hey,

967
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: Like they're just like saying, hey, hey, how's it going.

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Speaker 1: This is like a standard cluck, so that's like turkey

969
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: for hay. There's a pet sound, which is an alarm call.

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01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: That's this. There is a tree call, which I guess

971
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: they do all roosting in trees. So let's see. This

972
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: is this is my favorite, I think, well, second favorite.

973
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: This is an assembly call to gather young turkeys or

974
01:00:51,280 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: other members of the turkey clan. And then my actual

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01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: favorite one is this one. It's a turkey purring.

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01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 2: Oh that's nice. I like that.

977
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: That's a happy turkey purring. There's all, of course, the

978
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: classic gobble. I feel like that's a trope at this

979
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: point though it's overplayed.

980
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey turkeys, you don't have to lean on the hits.

981
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 2: Sometimes you can do something new.

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01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, So onto this week's mister Anne will sound. The

983
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: hint is this, do not adjust your television and ignore

984
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: the barking in the background. This hisser is better off

985
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: in a manger. So I do want to emphasize it's neither.

986
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the sound of the dog barking

987
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: or I believe the cat, but that.

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01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 2: Sound so so I I'm going to do a wild

989
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 2: jest and say that this his sir, belongs in a

990
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 2: major That to me means that that's baby Jesus, our,

991
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:17,439
Speaker 2: the baby of our life.

992
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: You got it. He nailed it, Joe, I got it.

993
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: That is Jesus. I'm not particularly religious, but if I.

994
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 2: Hear that's what he sounded like, if I heard.

995
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: That noise in the middle of the night, I would

996
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: I'd be praying to whatever, I'd be praying to somebody

997
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: whoever's listening. All right, Well, if you think you know

998
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: who is making that sound, you can write to me

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01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: at Creature Feature Pod at gmail dot com. You can

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01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: write to me also your questions if you got any

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Speaker 1: If you got any questions. I occasionally do the listener

1002
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Speaker 1: questions episodes. Oie, thank you so much for joining me today.

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Speaker 1: Where can the people find you? Oh and like this

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Speaker 1: cool stuff that you do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much for having me. This was This

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Speaker 2: is so fun. I always like to break down, you know,

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Speaker 2: the just the real world science of Garfield, which I

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Speaker 2: think Garfield learn. You can follow me on Twitter, TikTok

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Speaker 2: Spirit Rangers, which is nominated for seven Emmy Awards.

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Speaker 1: It's so much lasagna with all that.

1015
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah yeah I could, like I could start

1016
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 2: up with start with one Emmy and then move to

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01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 2: another when it gets too greasy.

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01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can have like a salad Emmy and a

1019
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: soup Emmy.

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Speaker 2: You can watch The Rangers on Netflix. It's you know,

1021
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 2: it's nominated for seven mm's. It's a good show. You

1022
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 2: should watch it.

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Speaker 1: That's that's fantastic. I'm real proud of you, Lisby serious moment,

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Speaker 1: very proud. Thank you guys so much for listening. If

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Speaker 1: you're enjoying the show and you leave a rating and review,

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Speaker 1: I greatly appreciate it. I read every single one of

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Speaker 1: your reviews, even if it's just you to say, like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, personally, I do like to eat a

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Speaker 1: pizza with a knife and fork and I'm proud of it.

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Speaker 1: That's fine. You can review it with that and thanks

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Speaker 2: Hey, guess what, I listen.

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Speaker 1: To your favorite shows. I'm not Jim Mother. I can't

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Speaker 1: tell you what to do. Live your own life, be

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Speaker 1: your own you, embrace your unique, wit, your unique with

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Speaker 1: See you next Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Every bye,