1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: I wanna listen to The Black Guy Who Tips because 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Rod and Karen are so hot. 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to another episode of The Black Guy Who 4 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 2: Tips Podcast. 5 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 3: I'm your host, Rod joined us always. 6 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: With my co host Karen, and we're live on a 7 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 2: Monday night, the first night of the nd season tournament. 8 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 3: For the NBA. 9 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: It's good and we are of course. Everywhere you get podcasts, 10 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 2: search The Black Guy Who Tips. 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We got 18 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 2: an email for my girls, Zenz I've got international listener, 19 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: and it was something that I thought was worth discussing 20 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: on its own in this episode and not even just 21 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: for wait for feedback, because it's something I've been seeing 22 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: a lot of and I want you I think we 23 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: should address on the show, which is the power of 24 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: the vote is from Zenzi. 25 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 3: Okay, Dear Rod and Karen. 26 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 2: I'm writing after weeks of contemplating this topic because it's 27 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: something I'm struggling to understand by myself. I've always appreciated 28 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 2: your points of view regarding things ranging from American politics 29 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 2: to social media influence, so I'm. 30 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: Hoping you can make this easy for me to grasp. 31 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 2: I am not American, if that wasn't clear, But like 32 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: most of the world, I and my country aren't inevitably 33 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: affected by America's domestic and foreign policies. To get to 34 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: the point, this ongoing ethnic cleansing in Palestine by Israel, 35 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 2: with the unwavering support of the US, UK and other. 36 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: Western our lives is why I'm writing in. 37 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: While I'm not looking for your input on the conflict, 38 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: I've noticed, like you, a number of people say that 39 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: the US's stance on the issue will affect how they 40 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: vote in the upcoming elections. I've also heard your responses 41 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: to statements like this both here and on three GOO, 42 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: and this is where my confusion lies. I remember you 43 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: saying that Biden was a president who could be pushed 44 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: to the left on most issues, and that made him 45 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: a much better option than the other guy. Keeping this 46 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: in mind, I guess I'm wondering how exactly he gets 47 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: moved if people who express their disapproval of the administration's 48 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: handling of this issue are constantly told to shut up 49 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: and vote Blue because the other guys worse. Now you 50 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: may say that the Biden administration has at least caution 51 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 2: Israel to limit civilian casualties. Now, I don't know how 52 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 2: we're supposed to address this question but not talk about 53 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: the conflict. But then I have to say they they 54 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: do that while also saying that no conditions will ever 55 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: be placed on the support the US offers Israel. They 56 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 2: say they're sending aid Degaza, but also Biden seeking expedited 57 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: approval to remove every available restriction of the supply of 58 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 2: arms to Israel. It's Biden saying that he saw forty 59 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: but haaded babies in the claim that was almost immediately debunked, 60 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 2: and never walking it back. It's Biden saying Palestinians are 61 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: lying about the numbers of casualties they suffered, while never 62 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: questioning info from Israel, which almost always proves to be false. 63 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: It's Biden saying Israel never bombed a hospital and then 64 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 2: staying quiet while every hospital in Gaza was bombed by 65 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: Israel afterward. It's also the White House press Secretary saying 66 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: to the press that the pros to Palestinian protesters remind 67 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: the administration of white supremacists carrying tiki torches in Charlottesville. 68 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: At this point, the death toll is now opens a 69 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: fifteen thousand people with over one point five million Palestinians 70 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: losing their homes, with the US and the UK repeat 71 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: over and over, the Israel has a right to defend itself, 72 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: that Israel has a right to defend it self, and 73 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: someone from a country that has a mercy at the 74 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: mercy of international players. 75 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 3: Like the US. 76 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: I see these things and it makes it easy for 77 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: me to understand why Arab Americans or others who support 78 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: them may refuse to vote for Democrats and the upcoming elections. 79 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: I see people saying they've lost tens of family members 80 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: in Gaza and now they cannot vote for the president, 81 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: being told that they would also be deported if the 82 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: other guy wins. I suppose my question is this, how 83 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: exactly can they express their disapproval if not by threatening 84 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: to withhold their vote. Also, if the entire Democratic side 85 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: stood with them instead of mocking and threatening them over this, 86 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: wouldn't that push the administration to at least reconsider it 87 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 2: a stance. I agree that voting cannot be based on 88 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: a single issue, but when the issue is watching your friends, family, 89 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 2: and people who look like you be dehumanized by the 90 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 2: government you voted for while their deaths are written off, 91 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: it's understandable that they would take this position. I just 92 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: wonder if it wouldn't be more productive for people to 93 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: overwhelmingly support this single issue right now, rather than single 94 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: to the government that the lines that can cross can 95 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 2: always be shifted to accommodate other issues. 96 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 3: I'm certain there are bad actors using. 97 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: This as an opportunity to show discord, sow discord, and 98 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: create division within the ranks of Democrats. And yet, if 99 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 2: the whole point of the lesser or two evils is 100 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: that one can be influenced, how else can a grieve 101 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 2: parties exert their influence when all they have to, when 102 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: all they have is they vote. I know black people 103 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: in the US have had to play this balancing act 104 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 2: since forever, So maybe I'm hoping you can offer some 105 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: insight that I'm missing, is someone looking on it from 106 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 2: the outside as always, A tremendous respect for both of you, 107 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 2: how you use your voices and the passion you have 108 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: for your community. 109 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 3: I hope this email isn't too burdens in the reading. 110 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 2: I appreciate you always taking the time to listen respond 111 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 2: to your listeners. 112 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: Thank you for your time and kindness. Jimsy. 113 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 2: So that was the first email, and then I replied 114 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: back just to make sure, like, okay, just to make 115 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: sure you're not saying we said this stuff on the show, 116 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: because we did not correct and she said, yeah, I'm 117 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: more just asking how to deal with it, because I 118 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: was like, at no point on this show have we 119 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: been telling people like anything dismissive of their concerns over Palestine. 120 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: We haven't told anybody like, well, you better go fucking vote. 121 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: We haven't mocked anybody for saying they're not gonna vote 122 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: for being Muslim or whatever. 123 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: That being said. 124 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: I don't agree with people not voting, but that's why 125 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 2: they have a vote and I have mine. I would 126 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: not do what they're doing in their case, and I'll 127 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: get into my reasons why because you asked, you know. 128 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 2: But you know, one thing I've actually cautioned on the 129 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: show and been talking about, especially this CONFI with social media. 130 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: I don't even. 131 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: Understand the point of people yelling at folks who are 132 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 2: saying they're not gonna vote either. They're a so emotionally 133 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 2: distraughted this moment that you're yelling at them they better 134 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: voting and just vote Blue. No matter what, they're gonna 135 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: be mad as fuck at you saying that to them, 136 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: whether there's wisdom in it or not. You know, obviously 137 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: I've been telling people you don't mock people. You don't 138 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 2: uh like dismiss people I have. There's people all over 139 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: my feed that have you know that I'm not voting 140 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 2: or you know all you know, fuck Joe, genocide Joe, 141 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: and shit, I'm not engaging them because either a they 142 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: want the engagement and they want to fight about it 143 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: because they're upset and I and I think a lot 144 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: of times that's how stuff operates on a social media level, 145 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: even when people don't realize it. 146 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 3: Right, you're putting out that thing to. 147 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: Invite a fight about it because you know someone's It's 148 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: not just gonna be one hundred people percent of people 149 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 2: that agree. 150 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 3: There's gonna be some people that come in and want 151 00:06:59,040 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: to fight. 152 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: But if we're being honest, you voting or not voting 153 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: in such an individual decision you telling everybody is a 154 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: I want the smoke decision. Yes it is, you know, 155 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: just the same way that I'm going to vote for 156 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: whoever the Democratic candidate is next year and I'm not. 157 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: I don't have to broadcast it on my Twitter feed 158 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: and be like, I don't care what's going on. 159 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 3: I'm voting for. 160 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: Well, why would I do that? So we can't fight 161 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: about it. So you can be upset the person that 162 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: is going but I'm not gonna vote. 163 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 3: It shouldn't. 164 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: But I think that's what social media is fors for 165 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: arguing for people. 166 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 4: Sorry, right, because my whole thing, and it's not anything 167 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 4: against the person who's writing it. A lot of the 168 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 4: stuff you're talking about, I'm not trying to be funny, 169 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 4: is a whole world wind of shit that's been happening 170 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 4: on social media, right, And so you're asking us to 171 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 4: address social media shit, and those things are not the same, 172 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 4: Like a lot of these questions. You're seeing a lot 173 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 4: of these things online, Like you're seeing a lot of 174 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 4: these different things from everywhere, and you're like, all of 175 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 4: it has to be the same. But that's not so, 176 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 4: you know, because me and Rogers speaks from an individual thing, 177 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 4: and as somebody who lives in this country, as somebody 178 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 4: who has dealt with this country quote unquote oppressing them 179 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 4: and all these things like, it's a complex thing. And 180 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 4: the thing is, at the end of the day, you're 181 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 4: either gonna vote or you don't. And the reality of 182 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 4: it is I can't speak for where you are, but 183 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 4: the reality is here in this country, right here, there 184 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 4: used to be a time, regardless if people believe it 185 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 4: or not, where both sides were quote unquote civil and 186 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 4: there was a side where you could quote unquote have 187 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 4: discussions even though people still didn't agree with everything one 188 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 4: hundred percent. But there used to be a time here 189 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 4: in this country where you could talk and discuss and 190 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 4: it wasn't like these hard ass lines that nobody was 191 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 4: in it. 192 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: Oh, hold on, because I think the scope of history 193 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: is it's different than that, is deeper than that. I 194 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: think what and it is happening today and is the 195 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: same as it ever was. But America is a genocide. Yes, 196 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 2: America as a concept, as a heist, it is a theft, 197 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: It is an empire. Uh, it is not a good country. 198 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 2: It is a capitalistic idea that exploits people to the bone. 199 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 2: And exploits the world as such, the head start America 200 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: had on all these other established countries is that they 201 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 2: stole it last. 202 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 3: Yes, that's why it's a superpower. 203 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 2: What I think, the and the and the and it's 204 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 2: never really been civil. It's been that the people that 205 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: they were being uncivil to were not allowed in the room. 206 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: Right. 207 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: So it wasn't uncivil to the slaves. It wasn't uncivil 208 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: to the Native Americans. I mean, it wasn't civil to 209 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 2: the Native Americans. It wasn't civil to the to the 210 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 2: to the to the slaves in America. It wasn't you know, 211 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: it's it's it's uncivil, you know, it's it's the opposite 212 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: of that. 213 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 3: You know. 214 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: They call it a civil war, not because it's the 215 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 2: civility of it, but by you know, just the nature 216 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: of the definition of civics, you know. But the point 217 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 2: I want to make though is, and I don't mean 218 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: this to sound callous, which is, you know, I've seen 219 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 2: callous versions of this. This is a woman on TikTok 220 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 2: who has like a fiver, like a long rant, sitting 221 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: in her car. She's obviously been arguing all day with 222 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: the people that are saying they're not gonna vote. She's 223 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: been concentrating on the people that are like, you know, genocide, 224 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: Joe and shit. And then she kind of like starts 225 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: yelling at him and you know, talking about and I 226 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: don't think what she's saying is factually incorrect, but the 227 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: tone of it is very much like you and. 228 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 3: Your big feelings. But well, what. 229 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: Did you got to understand this? 230 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 3: And if you Republicans getting it's gonna be like this. 231 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: And I noticed in your in your emails, and see 232 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: you already have the kind of arguments in there, so 233 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: you do know the difference. I put more weight on 234 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 2: those counter arguments than the people who are like I 235 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: just refuse to vote. And I've always been like that, 236 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 2: this isn't a well, those ain't my people, so I 237 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:14,479 Speaker 2: don't care. I'm black in America, nigger hard r in America. 238 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: So to me, what I hear is I quit, I 239 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:25,239 Speaker 2: go home, and then somehow it'll magically resolve itself, or 240 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: at least if it doesn't resolve itself, I can say, 241 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: not my fault. I abdicated from voting. But I feel 242 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 2: like voting, to me personally, is a civic duty. It's 243 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: never been about making me feel like friends with this country. 244 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 2: It's never been about me feeling like I'm doing this 245 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: like it's like when you like a celebrity and I 246 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: have to stand for this country and I have to 247 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 2: like everything the celebrity does. And when I have a president, 248 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 2: if they don't agree with me on one hundred issues 249 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: out of one hundred, then I'm not voting for them. 250 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 3: That to me, that's a very like. 251 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: Being where I'm from down here in the South, that's 252 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: a very privileged way to look at voting. 253 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 3: Down here, we ain never had that. 254 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 2: We and us not voting or not being allowed to 255 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: vote has never given us the progress that this gambit 256 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 2: of not voting and then the next people will fix it. 257 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 3: This has never worked out for us. 258 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: We've never been able to abstain from a vote and 259 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,239 Speaker 2: come back as black people more empowered. 260 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: Ever, it's always less. 261 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: It's always been less, period, And that's what this country 262 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: is is about giving less. So, as I've said on 263 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: the show before, my view of America is that it's 264 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 2: an imperialistic threat to. 265 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 3: The country to the world, not the country to the world. 266 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: My personal conviction is that as a citizen of this country, 267 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: I can't just go fuck it. Whoever wants it the 268 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 2: most just gets it. And if it's the bad people, 269 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 2: the people I think are worse. When I said on 270 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 2: not single issue voter, I meant it right. That was 271 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: not something I said haphazardly or flippantly to dismiss other people. 272 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 2: Even when shit is bad for black people, my people here, 273 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: I still vote for what I think will be less 274 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 2: bad for us. 275 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 3: There's no black utopia coming, Nope. 276 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: You know, I think for younger people that came through 277 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 2: in the Obama administration and the the the Obama administration 278 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 2: and like experienced that eight years and really kind of 279 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: fell for the like celebrity feel good of having a 280 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 2: president because in my opinion, he is an excellent president. 281 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: He's probably the best president we ever had, if not 282 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 2: top three or whatever the fuck and no like scandal 283 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: scandals and just most of the problems with old Barack 284 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 2: Obama a the problems with being the president of America 285 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 2: as opposed to like, oh, he brought these specific problems. 286 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: He was getting his dick sucked in the over office. 287 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 2: He was a serial fucking rapist, or he was this 288 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: that like his stuff is like he was a president 289 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: and they still had wars and conflicts and bombs were 290 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: dropped on people. 291 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 3: That's what you know. 292 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: That's the job to me, and I think that's my 293 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: pragmatic approach to voting and always will be. I can't 294 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 2: I've never been an idealistic voter. I'm not saying I 295 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: can't understand, but it's more like it's just so antithetical 296 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 2: to what I think about America. I can't even imagine 297 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: a world where I would feel like proud, like where 298 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: I'm like I voted and the country's going to do 299 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: all the things I wanted to do. No, I'm voting 300 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: and it's just part of the fight. Just through a 301 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: jab right now, you got a duck, you know. But 302 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 2: the point I wanted to say, though, is in that 303 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 2: world that, in my worldview, me abstaining for voting makes 304 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: me the coward. 305 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: It makes me the hypocrite. 306 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: I'm not calling other people that, but that's how the 307 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 2: fuck I would feel if I knew that that me 308 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: not voting in North Carolina is the reason that the 309 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: anti trans bathroom bill got passed. I would be like 310 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 2: I could have done something about that. That was one 311 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: of the closest votes in North Carolina history. And the 312 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: vote to Alics Pat McCrory was even closer than that. 313 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: We had to do a recount. My fucking vote counted 314 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 2: and it mattered. And I don't even understand the point 315 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: of me voting blew in my state. So we can 316 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: be safe and ain't going fuck the country. No, I 317 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: would vote all the way up to the president and 318 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: be like that would be the person that would most 319 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 2: likely help. But I would never feel like they are 320 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: gonna do everything I want. And and like I said, 321 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: black people being to Palestinians in that type of way, 322 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: if you want to look at just like the oppression 323 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: that we faced in America the Jim Crow South. But 324 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 2: and I'm sorry to Philabusta Camp, but because I've just 325 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: been thinking about this. 326 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 3: All day, the. 327 00:15:53,680 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: Think I think about the anti Lynchon bill, the anti 328 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 2: l bill was proposed and pushed by people that never 329 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: saw it passed. 330 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: And yeah, a lot of them. 331 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: God. And so what you say is, you know, your 332 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: hope is if I sit at home, or if people 333 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: sit at home, enough people sit at home, or enough 334 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: people say you know, I'm not going to vote somehow 335 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: in this in this country, in this country, that doesn't 336 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: that has zero history of ever being like, well, since 337 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: we lost, let's fix everything right in this country, that 338 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: doesn't I don't think it would work. But in this country, 339 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: that is hope to say. I pushed the rock a 340 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 2: little bit for it, and I hope the next one 341 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 2: push a little bit further than that. Even some of 342 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 2: the stuff that the administration is saying around Joe Biden 343 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 2: and through Joe Biden, the word, the statements of like 344 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: we're trying, we got it, we need to cease fire, 345 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: we need to stop this, we don't think this is right, 346 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: even that is more pushed towards something than there ever 347 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 2: has been before. If what you're saying is true, that 348 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: us not voting will reap a more positive outcome in 349 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: four years, If what you're saying is true, Joe Biden, 350 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 2: is that Remember people said. 351 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 3: They sat home because they couldn't vote for Hillary Clinton. 352 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 3: They got Trump. 353 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: This technically is supposed to be the great liberal pushback 354 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 2: and what it we push forward as America as a country. 355 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 2: The liberal people, the progressive people, the left people said 356 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 2: the furthest I'm willing to go is a very old 357 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 2: white man who's been around forever. This country is not 358 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: the country of just. 359 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 3: The bubble I have created around myself. 360 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 2: The real reality of this country is when I leave 361 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 2: Charlotte's City city limits, I'm in Maga country. That's what 362 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 2: America really is. It ain't America is. We say all 363 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: the right things about you know, what we would like 364 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 2: to see, but we give them sell We give the 365 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 2: money in the war machines to we make those. 366 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 3: That's what we do. 367 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: You know. So I think I don't fall for the 368 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 2: pageantry of America enough to feel this, to feel anything 369 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: but sober minded in my reflections on voting, where I'm 370 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 2: just like, uh uh, I gotta go with the pragmatic choice. 371 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 2: I'm not going to give this country to Republicans if 372 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 2: I can stop it. And you said, well, if your 373 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 2: vote is the only thing, you kept saying that. I 374 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,239 Speaker 2: have never said your vote is the only thing, And 375 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 2: I think that's I think that I don't know if 376 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 2: that was purpose for just you've been involved in so 377 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 2: much back and forth on Twitter and stuff. 378 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 3: That is stuff, but that ain't. 379 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 2: Something I believe When people, when people were marching in 380 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 2: the streets, that's part of it too. Now the thing 381 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: is none of those people can do about themselves so 382 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 2: you march in the street for George Floyd. 383 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 3: Right, you do that, but then you. 384 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 2: Know, the White House says, come talk to us at 385 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,719 Speaker 2: the White House, and you go, I'm not gonna do that. 386 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 3: Fine, somebody else will step in and do that part. 387 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 2: Cause as long as I've been alive, black people have 388 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 2: been and I mean black people in America, we have 389 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 2: not been a monolift and honestly, a lot of us 390 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: haven't always been fulfilling all the roles. There's a reason 391 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: that MLK is the one that goes to LBJ and 392 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 2: gets that shit done and Malcolm X is out there 393 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: saying what he's saying, and honestly, we needed them both. 394 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: We can't just have one. I don't expect the mono left. 395 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 2: That's why I'm not arguing with folks. It's people I 396 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: respect deeply who are like I'm not voting for them, 397 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,479 Speaker 2: you know, or whatever. It's people that have said some 398 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 2: stuff that, honestly, some of the stuff I do think 399 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 2: is over the line. 400 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 3: But honestly I haven't said anything to them about it. 401 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: Like they say something making light of some shit, and 402 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 2: I'm just like, nah, no, Like I don't know, if 403 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: you just want to argue or I don't know if 404 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 2: your heart is just that dark right now, you think 405 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 2: like even if they did kill kids, like whatever, that's 406 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: on you to deal with in your own psyche. But 407 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 2: for me, my personal dogma, yeah, I'm very convicted to vote. 408 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 2: And I do feel like it'll make shit better than worse. 409 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 2: Even if it makes shit worse slower, I'm better. I'm 410 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: for worse shit slower. If it's for less evil, I'm 411 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 2: for less evil. 412 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 3: I don't think. 413 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,479 Speaker 2: I'm nothing's changed over here for us, and nothing that 414 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 2: is happening would change that. 415 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 3: And I say that in the face. 416 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 2: Of being a black person in America who has dealt 417 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 2: with atrocity after atrocity after atrocity, and I can't picture 418 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 2: giving up my vote, the thing they're trying to take 419 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: from me every single day. I can't picture me giving 420 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: up that weapon in the arsenal of things that can 421 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 2: push this country forward. And I'm not telling you don't 422 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: do anything else. I think it's good when I see 423 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 2: people marching, you know now. At the same time, to 424 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 2: be fair, I haven't seen the pictures of like sometimes 425 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 2: I hear people say, like they're on college campus, is 426 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 2: marching for hermas or whatever. I have not seen that. 427 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: I'm not arguing when there's true or not. I just 428 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 2: haven't seen it. The stuff I do see when people 429 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 2: are marching, the stuff I see people sharing, I'm like, yes, 430 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,719 Speaker 2: that's fine, Like that's part of the freedom of speech, 431 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: part of protest. 432 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 3: You shut down the highway. 433 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: I get while you shut down the highway, they shut 434 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 2: down the highway over Black Lives Matter stuff or. 435 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 3: Someone getting killed by the cops. I understood that, you know. 436 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 2: But like I said, I feel like not voting is 437 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 2: giving up. Other people may disagree that's their right, but 438 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 2: that's why I gotta vote and they gotta vote, and 439 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: I don't need to like fight them about it. 440 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 3: Especially. 441 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: I just think people are coming off super fucking callous 442 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 2: right now, turning this whole conversation into are you gonna 443 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 2: vote or not? It is a year away. People are 444 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 2: still dying, people are still fighting, people are mourning. I'm 445 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 2: not gonna yell at them. I don't care what side of. 446 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 3: This you're on. 447 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: I don't know how you yelling at them would even 448 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 2: help mycking somebody right now. 449 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 3: I don't think it would help. 450 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 2: And I think too much of our content online is 451 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 2: just doing that. And that's why the tenor of this 452 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 2: discussion is one of you know, why are you mocking people? 453 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 3: Why are you admonishing people? Why are you threatening? 454 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 2: And it's like, because that's all that social media has 455 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: become is mocking and threatening people and all that stuff. 456 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 3: Because I and like I said, I have. 457 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 2: Gone out of We have gone out of our way 458 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 2: to make sure we do not contribute to that part 459 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: of the zeitgeist. Everything we said over here we try 460 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 2: to make reasonable rational. 461 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 3: We've tried not to just fly off the deep end 462 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 3: alienate people. 463 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 2: We have not tried to mock anybody, even the people 464 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 2: that I feel like go over the line on either 465 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 2: side of this. We don't pull up they shit and 466 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 2: be like, now look at what they said, because I'm like, 467 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 2: maybe they ain't. I haven't gone through exactly what they've 468 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 2: gone through. I'm imagining it's fucking terrible, no matter whether 469 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: you're Jewish or Palestinian. Right now, I imagine it's pretty 470 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: fucking terrible the way shit is happening. You know, I'm 471 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: mat So we haven't even gotten to my new shell 472 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 2: the conflict like that, because another thing is we don't 473 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 2: necessarily know what the way we know being black in America. 474 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 2: You know, everything we've gotten is an allegory to what it. 475 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 2: Oh you can understand, right, because this is what it 476 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 2: feels like to be black, but we don't necessarily know. 477 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 2: I listen to podcasts and I'm reading and I'm learning 478 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: on this shit, and you see like someone brings up 479 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 2: something and someone else brings something else up, and you 480 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 2: I can't imagine. 481 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 3: Being more out of my debt. 482 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: They're like depth the way they're just like, oh, you 483 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 2: mean the nineteen sixty eight piece of chords. I'm like, 484 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: I don't did not even know that happened. Oh you 485 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 2: know it's only been a country for this long. 486 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 3: Oh for real? Well you know it actually goes back 487 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 3: two thousand years. Oh for real? You know it's really 488 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 3: about religion. Oh for real. 489 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. 490 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 2: Everything over there the way I innately know black shit 491 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: from just living here. So I haven't felt like being 492 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 2: just another loud mouth contributed to that discussion. But what 493 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 2: I will say is you asked us why and how 494 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 2: we can feel like voting as part of the equation 495 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 2: to help fix this thing or mitigate this thing. 496 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 3: Those are the reasons why for me. Karen I'm sorry, 497 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 3: go ahead. 498 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: No problem. 499 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 4: And Also the thing is, like I said, a lot 500 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 4: of this sounds like online jargon, and because I just 501 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 4: know it. Also, the thing is, you say, you're in 502 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 4: another country and you're concerned about America, and the thing is, 503 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 4: we cannot control the president. 504 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:22,479 Speaker 1: We put you in office. 505 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 4: Now, what these people do in office is completely different 506 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 4: once they get. 507 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: In the office. Like that, like, that's how America is structured. 508 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 2: And if you're afraid of what Biden is doing and 509 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 2: how it impacts your country, imagine if somebody else gets that, 510 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: gets in there that does not care and goes back to. 511 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,959 Speaker 3: We want to well see, but hold on. 512 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 2: That's the thing, right she put that in the write up, 513 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 2: that oh, don't just say like it's the the worst 514 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: of the two choices, or you know, you can't just 515 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 2: say what if it's But the reason I said, I'm 516 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 2: not even that that, you know, answer, that's a valid point. 517 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 2: You might not like just because people are tired of 518 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 2: it or you don't want you're not you don't like 519 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: that that inconvenient truth. And once again it's like I said, 520 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 2: it's some internet shit. But just because you don't like 521 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: it doesn't make it not valuable or like it's like 522 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 2: you're saying to me, fuck the student loan thing, fuck 523 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 2: that this one issue. It is time to become a 524 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 2: one issue voter for me, or you know, for these people, 525 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 2: that's fine for them, but no, I'm not convinced there's 526 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 2: no one issue that will ever do that for me, period. 527 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 2: And I meant it when it's black issues too. There's 528 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 2: times where I've been like, this shit is fucking not 529 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 2: good enough for black people. But as a fucking country 530 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 2: of all kinds of people, yes, I am voting for 531 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 2: this person because I care about the entire country, not 532 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 2: just what happens to only me and my people. Although 533 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 2: I care about me and my people, you know, maybe 534 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 2: if the numbers are different in America and we had 535 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 2: that super duper majority where we could have the privilege 536 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: of being like, if the shit don't work for us, 537 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 2: fuck everybody, black people thirteen percent right now, fifteen percent, 538 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 2: Like we've never had those numbers to do that shit anyway. 539 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 2: But even if it wasn't black, if I was a 540 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 2: white person, I would hope I feel this way about everybody, 541 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: not just myself. 542 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 4: Right, I'm gonna go back to what I was saying, 543 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 4: because I want to bring it back to something somebody 544 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 4: in another country who is concerned about these things, voting 545 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 4: is gonna determine how the US, no matter how fucked 546 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 4: up you think it is. Now, people voting here in 547 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 4: our country will determine how America impacts you. So for 548 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 4: you to say, you know, we should just be these 549 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 4: single voter things matters because we have to think of 550 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 4: the totality. We have to think of America from the 551 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 4: perspective of if we vote certain people in office, it 552 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 4: rocks the rest of the world. You might not agree, 553 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 4: because there's no country that's perfect. All countries are fucked 554 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 4: up when it comes to wars, when it comes to 555 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 4: you know, their powers and all this stuff. All countries are. 556 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 4: It's not just an American thing. And that's why I said, 557 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 4: not very funny. You spend a lot of time talking 558 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 4: to people online. 559 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 2: Because this is a deeper issue because here in America 560 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 2: you need to vote on the totality of things. 561 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 4: I say, Okay, I'm voting on these things. And when 562 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 4: I look, I look at what these people represent. I'm 563 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 4: talking for me, what you represent and one side and 564 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 4: this is just me Republican side over the years and 565 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 4: particularly today, have showed me they don't want this country 566 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 4: to function, they don't want this country to run. 567 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: They want to take us back. 568 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 2: They don't care about liberties, they don't care about rights, 569 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 2: because everything they do is stripping, stripping, stripping, stripping, stripping 570 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 2: away lgbt Q rights. 571 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: Stripping, stripping, stripping, stripping. 572 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 4: And you think they're doing it here, you get them 573 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 4: at president, what are they gonna do. They're gonna turn 574 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 4: around and they're gonna strip shit from the rest of 575 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 4: the world. We actually fund a lot of shit around 576 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 4: the world. They're gonna start defunding, they're gonna start stripping. 577 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 4: They're gonna impact you more than you will ever know, 578 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 4: like like like for somebody that's that's saying, Hey, I'm 579 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 4: afraid at what America is doing. Because no country is perfect, 580 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 4: no country, no country is perfect when it comes to 581 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 4: these rules and politive procedures. And if you're over your 582 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 4: United States, you're gonna be wrapped up in wars, you're 583 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 4: gonna have drawn like that, Like that's a part of 584 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 4: the package of this fucked up country. It is, regardless 585 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 4: of how you feel about it, regardless of if it's 586 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 4: right or wrong. 587 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: That's the reality. 588 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 2: If it wasn't that we knew what the alternative would be, 589 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 2: I might even hear you out. But this country is 590 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 2: never it's always let me down right, It's never risen 591 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: to where you think it can go. 592 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 3: I don't. It's like an identity crisis. 593 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: And I think I'm not judging these folks, but I 594 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 2: mean this in the most matter of fact way possible. 595 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: When people try to act like everyone else is taken 596 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:15,239 Speaker 2: in by the glitz and glamor of America Americana, and 597 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 2: then they go say stuff like, well, if we don't vote, 598 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: we'll get this like better version of America, I'm always like, oops, 599 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 2: you revealed yourself. 600 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 3: You're the one that. 601 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 2: Believes we do that shit. I don't believe not a 602 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 2: word or the constitution like that. I don't believe in 603 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 2: none of that flowery language. I don't believe in none 604 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 2: of that The Founding Father shit, I don't believe in it. 605 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: I just I believe that we are always in a 606 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: perilous situation, on the edge of the razor for our 607 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: rights as fucking humans, even here, and god forbid you 608 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 2: in some other country that don't vote for America or 609 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: don't got all of some shit, We one hundred percent 610 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 2: won't give a fuck about you because we're not a 611 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: good country. Right So if you look at the default 612 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 2: of not being good, it's like, what can I I 613 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: do to help? 614 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 4: You? 615 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying to me helping is I wouldn't 616 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 2: be able to live with myself. 617 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 3: Now. I know people, especially in social. 618 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 2: Media age, when you turn the camera at ourselves, people's 619 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 2: value system is to me kind of fucked up because 620 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 2: they're like, I didn't vote for this, I'm pure, and 621 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 2: they think that's more important than being like, dog, I 622 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 2: tried to stop it, you see what I'm saying, Like, 623 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 2: that's to me, I'd rather if I see a car 624 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 2: about to hit somebody, I'd rather get in front of 625 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 2: the car and try to slow it down than be like, 626 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 2: hey man, I wasn't driving a car. 627 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 3: Just looked at it run over you. 628 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 2: Like that's how I and I think people think that's 629 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 2: being a hero right now, And I don't know where 630 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 2: it's coming if it's just like if they think that's 631 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: being strong or whatever. But to me, the easiest thing 632 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 2: in the world is sitting at home on November in 633 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: a Tuesday and November that's you were gonna do that anyway. 634 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 2: So I don't see it as this strong moral stance 635 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 2: or whatever, at least not for myself. And you know, frankly, 636 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 2: if other people want to do it, I hear them, 637 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: but I don't have to understand or support it. 638 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 3: I can just be like, that's what the fuck they did? 639 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 2: As I said in November whatever, twenty sixteen, I believe 640 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 2: I said on the show right before it was trying 641 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 2: to vote, I said, America, we will get the country 642 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 2: we deserve in the morning. That's what we do. And 643 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 2: we got Trump and didn't. I didn't come on here 644 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 2: and start ranting and raving about feeling betrayed and hurt. 645 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: I said that that's about right. We get what we 646 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 2: deserve here, and we get what, most importantly, what we 647 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 2: fight for. So it's what do you want to fight for? 648 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 2: Sitting at home not fighting? And if we want to 649 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 2: keep it a motherfucking trillion real quick? Uh, how do 650 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 2: you think the other side is winning? And I'm not 651 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: talking about Republicans, I'm talking about whatever side the slacktivists 652 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 2: are against, whatever side that I'm not voting people are against. 653 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 2: How did the other side get the power they organized, 654 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 2: they got money, they got influence, and they pushed their 655 00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 2: way into power. 656 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 3: Nobody in America gets power by sitting at home. Zero. 657 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 4: No, you do not, especially not political power. Yeah, particularly 658 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 4: not in this country. And as somebody who you know, 659 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 4: my people have died, My people have literature. You can 660 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 4: go back in the history books and the record books. 661 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 4: There are people that are martyrs that we will never 662 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 4: know their name, that fault for the right to vote 663 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 4: in this country because they knew it was power in voting. 664 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 4: People underestimate the power in vote. This is when the 665 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 4: apathy comes in. This is where the things come in. 666 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 4: And it's like they want you to think because they 667 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 4: want to trick you into not understanding the power that 668 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 4: you have in your hands with your vote. That's the 669 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 4: whole trick bag. Because if they can get you to 670 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 4: believe the power that you have in your hands for 671 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 4: vote ain't real, they could take it and you won't 672 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 4: even know it. 673 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 2: You look up and you won't have no goddamn rights. 674 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 2: You won't know what happened, and you won't understand why. 675 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 4: And a lot of people are consistently shocked and they're 676 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 4: consistently amazed when people get in office and they were like, well. 677 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: They didn't do what I wanted to do. What did 678 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: you vote no with? 679 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 2: Then? 680 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 4: And this is my thing. You have the right not 681 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 4: to vote. I have the right also to look at 682 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 4: you and be like, that's stupid for you not to vote, Like, 683 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 4: I have that right. And I also have the right 684 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 4: to say I have the right to be angry. I 685 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 4: have the right to be mad. 686 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: I have the right to demand. 687 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 2: Because I participated in the system. I participate in the system. 688 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 4: It might not have gave me the results that I desired, 689 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 4: but I participated. And also the thing about hearing this 690 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 4: country quote unquote, you're win some and your motherfucking lose some. 691 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 4: And the thing is, particularly when it comes to abortion rights, 692 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 4: them niggas lost for fucking fifty years. That kept losing 693 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 4: and losing and losing and motherfucking losing. And you know 694 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 4: what they did, They said, we don't give a goddamn 695 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 4: about losing. 696 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna keep coming back. So and this is why 697 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: I kind of get mad. 698 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 4: So when people say I don't feel like fight, betch 699 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 4: they fought for fifty years. 700 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: You want to give up on something that's simple. 701 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,240 Speaker 2: So the only thing I'm gonna say, though, is because 702 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 2: as I get, while you're upset, I'm as passionate about 703 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 2: it as you. But that's the problem with the tenor 704 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 2: of this discussion, because if I'm somebody that's like, well 705 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 2: my family got killing palestar, you be a mad don't 706 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 2: mean shit to me, I agreed, So you yelling at me, 707 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 2: that's not what people. 708 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 3: Nobody need to hear that right now. That's my point. 709 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 2: That's why I try to keep this conversation from going 710 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 2: to the typical like what the fuck y'all nigga's doing conversation, 711 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 2: because that's what people are putting up in this is 712 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 2: it's in a very emotional time and people are responding 713 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 2: out of fear both ways. People are scared of like 714 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 2: the games that we could be losing and the harm 715 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 2: that could be done from a Trump presidency, and so 716 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 2: they're angry because anger is fear. 717 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 3: Anger is go. 718 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 2: So so it's not that's not the anger coming out, 719 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 2: that's not just real anger at these people, because I 720 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 2: would never yell at somebody that told me. 721 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 3: This tragedy was affecting them like that. 722 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 1: Agreed. 723 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 2: So that's one of reasons, Like you think, I'm just 724 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 2: trying to keep you from being like this point. At 725 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 2: that point, I'm saying, she the counterpoints are in the 726 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 2: argument and what she wrote everything you said is in 727 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 2: there already, so I don't know why you would need 728 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 2: to hear her say it again. I'm trying to keep 729 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 2: it from being the tenor of all these other discussions 730 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 2: because I actually think it's not helpful. When I look 731 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 2: on TikTok and I see the woman yelling in her car, 732 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, everything you're saying is facts, and everything you're 733 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 2: saying is gonna turn the other side off because those 734 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 2: people are like, I'm crying because I just seen pictures 735 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 2: of dead babies and. 736 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 3: You're yelling at me. So no, I'm not. 737 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna call you a bunch of names that 738 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 2: you didn't you probably don't believe or deserve, but I'm 739 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 2: i'mmost act like it. And that's emotions are so important 740 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 2: for these people on Twitter and stuff right now. It's 741 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 2: more important than facts for them. And I don't think 742 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 2: it's like a privileged thing necessarily. There are some disinformation people, 743 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 2: there's some bad faith actors. 744 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 3: They will always exist. 745 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 2: I don't think it's a coincidence that agree of the 746 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 2: people that don't want you to vote. It's gonna be 747 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 2: a diagram of people gop like, it's gonna be a 748 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 2: bunch of people that would agree with you non vote, 749 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 2: and that's gonna be a bunch of people I don't 750 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 2: fuck with, you know, third party grifters and shit too. 751 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 4: Because because the thing is, there are two things happening 752 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 4: at the same time, and it's hard to address kind 753 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 4: of both. Because I do agree that the things that 754 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 4: are happening are wrong, I can. I can say that 755 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:49,879 Speaker 4: and say I understand that, but in addition to that, 756 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 4: these other things matter also, and that, like you said, 757 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 4: it's very hard to talk to somebody when they're in 758 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 4: an emotional spot like that because yeah, you know, it's 759 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 4: it's a lot more happening. 760 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 2: And the response is typically to match it with your emotion, 761 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 2: and I just you know, I don't not you you, 762 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 2: but but I get you. People match it, and it's just, honestly, 763 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 2: that's all I've been seeing for a month now, everyone's 764 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 2: trying to match each other's actually two months. 765 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 3: We just matching each other, like I'm more mad than 766 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 3: you're mad. 767 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 2: And man, I've seen and for the record, I've seen 768 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 2: people that I feel are like liberal people, progressive people 769 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 2: yelling at like Muslim people who are like, I'm not 770 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 2: gonna vote for this, dude. I'm like, that's not even 771 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 2: supposed to be your value system. Like you just gotta 772 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 2: kind of like hope they come around or something. But you, sir, 773 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 2: you can't fuss them out. You shouldn't be laughing at them. No, 774 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 2: that's very fucking real, and I'm not saying you're doing 775 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 2: it right, and it's really fucked up. 776 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 3: It's not helpful. It's my point. 777 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 2: If the point is to find some resolution, which that's 778 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 2: you know, that's the real wild part. I think we're 779 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 2: fighting because we don't know the answers. It's easy to 780 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 2: just say something like free Palestine and not have to 781 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 2: to actually transcribe something that both sides would agree to 782 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 2: and do right. It's easy to say that shit. So 783 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 2: let me just you know, I'm gonna just say the 784 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 2: easy shit and then everybody say something different. I'm gonna 785 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 2: fucking start calling them names. And I'm watching people call 786 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 2: names for weeks now, and it's just it's I don't 787 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 2: know what. 788 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 3: It's scary because no one knows what the. 789 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 2: Resolution is to me and I'm not saying it's not 790 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,240 Speaker 2: scary who's president of the United States. 791 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 3: It's very scary, yes. 792 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,479 Speaker 2: But I'm saying, like of the priorities on December fourth, 793 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, who will be president in next November 794 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 2: for me is not looming enough for me to be 795 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 2: yelling at other motherfuckers. I'm sorry, but and I'm not. 796 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,760 Speaker 2: This isn't me saying it don't matter. 797 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 3: If I'm not voting. 798 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 2: I think Joe Biden's done a bang up job, much 799 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,280 Speaker 2: better than people said he would do. The only president 800 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 2: he's not as good as is the president that hasn't 801 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 2: existed yet, which is the one that people say, would 802 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 2: you know, cut off all aid to Israel? And shit 803 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 2: what that president ain't ever existed, So we're it's like 804 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 2: looking at Lebron James and being like the ghost of 805 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 2: Michael Jordan would have won twelve rings, right, So, Okay, 806 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 2: you don't like Biden, you're mad he's old. 807 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 3: Well, he's got a lot of shit done. 808 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 2: I could list out his accomplishments right now if I 809 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 2: wanted to. That's not even the fucking point of this. 810 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 3: I'm saying. 811 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 2: I'm cautioning people, let's just have a little fucking empathy 812 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 2: in some patience. I don't know what's gonna happen. I 813 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 2: don't have control over what's gonna happen. 814 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:25,959 Speaker 1: Nope. 815 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 2: I think it is good that people are saying less 816 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,959 Speaker 2: people getting killed. I'm sorry if folks disagree. I don't 817 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 2: find that be a very controversial stance. In the face 818 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,399 Speaker 2: of thousands of people dying, it seemed like it would 819 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 2: be a better way somehow. 820 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,760 Speaker 3: I don't know the way, and I don't have the answers. 821 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 2: So if you're looking for something emotionally to pick you 822 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 2: up and give you the right answers, you're not gonna 823 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 2: find it in anything we said. Because I read what 824 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 2: you wrote, you already had it in there. You just 825 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 2: don't find those things to be compelling. And I don't 826 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 2: mean Zenzi she can't vote here, but the people that 827 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 2: would agree with that don't find anything we would say 828 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 2: to be compelling anyway. So I'm just letting it chill, 829 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 2: right And it's also one of the reasons why no 830 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 2: Black rob It is not the point right now, That's 831 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 2: what the fuck I'm trying to say. Man, we're so 832 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 2: scared them next year, We're flipping the fuck out on people. 833 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 2: Let's say that you think voter suppression and voter disenfranchisement 834 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 2: is happening right now. Unless we get start yelling on 835 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 2: Twitter at Muslim people, it won't be fixed. 836 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: Well, I disagree. 837 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 3: When have you seen these arguments move people? What reality 838 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 3: are you. 839 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,240 Speaker 2: Living in where people are like, well, thank god, somebody 840 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,800 Speaker 2: fucking yelled at me when I was crying over pictures 841 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 2: of dead children. I'm not seeing as a motivational tactic 842 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 2: right now that is working, and I've been observing without 843 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 2: participating in it for weeks. 844 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 3: You know what I mean. No, we're talking about yelling 845 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:48,760 Speaker 3: black Rob. 846 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 2: So when you say nah, it is the point Rob, 847 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,720 Speaker 2: I'm not talking about Well, guys, let's not talk about voting. 848 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 3: I just told you about voting. 849 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 2: I'm talking we on this show, and the email we 850 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 2: got is one about yelling at people who are in 851 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 2: feeling this amount of trauma right now. That's the conversation, 852 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,439 Speaker 2: not whatever conversation of just voting in general. We're gonna 853 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,399 Speaker 2: talk about voting every day on this podcast. We're gonna 854 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 2: talk about voting suppression, voter disenfranchiised. We talk about it 855 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 2: all the time. I'm saying yelling at somebody online is 856 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 2: about something different. 857 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 3: So that's the. 858 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 2: Places we go here, that's where you have Twitter. Is 859 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 2: not so on Twitter, are you seeing conversations that aren't reductive? 860 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,280 Speaker 2: Here's the place we can have a conversation is not reductive. 861 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 4: And this right here is particularly for me, one of 862 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 4: the reasons, particularly online, one of the reasons why I 863 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 4: haven't been participating in any of this, because everybody's emotions 864 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 4: when it comes to these arguments on social media are high. 865 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,280 Speaker 4: People are in distress, people are distraught, People are sad 866 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 4: and angry and upset, and it's one of those things 867 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 4: where people need to process things, and I think a 868 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 4: lot of people aren't allowing people to process things, and 869 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 4: you have other people mocking them while they're trying to 870 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 4: process things. 871 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: And when people are. 872 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 4: Angry, people will say things outside of normal because they're 873 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 4: hurt and they're distraught, and they're upset, and they don't 874 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 4: feel like the and they're in the spot where they 875 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,799 Speaker 4: feel like nothing matters, or they feel like what they 876 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 4: do isn't moving the needle fast enough or quick enough. 877 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 4: But in this country, and particularly in America, everything moves slow. 878 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 4: We're a big ass ship. And the last time I 879 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,320 Speaker 4: checked ships. 880 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 3: Turn around, and you know what, we moved downhill fast. 881 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 2: We moved down here quickly. It's a lot harder to 882 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 2: move uphill fast. We moved downhill fast as fucked up. 883 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,399 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we can always go back at the drop 884 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 4: of a dime. And I think that's why for a 885 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,360 Speaker 4: lot of people they're very adamant about voting, because it 886 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 4: was like we are yeah, yeah, yeah. 887 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 2: That's why I'm not trying to like not not to 888 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 2: obsess over this black rob shit. 889 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 3: But that's why I'm like, bro, what you what do 890 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 3: you mean? 891 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 2: Because we are one of the places where we have 892 00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 2: productive discussions. 893 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 3: But that's not what this letter was about. 894 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 2: This letter wasn't like, hey, Rod, I need some places 895 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 2: for some productive discussions. Like that's not what we the 896 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:13,479 Speaker 2: con The conversation is about the unproductive discussions. Oh yes, 897 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:18,879 Speaker 2: very unproductive people that know hear both sides, but then 898 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 2: they but then they're they're being mocked. That's what this 899 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 2: So it's like, don't switch it up in the middle 900 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 2: of what were and try to confuse me, like I 901 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,359 Speaker 2: don't know what we're talking about. We're talking the conversations 902 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 2: about the mocking of people. The people that are that 903 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 2: are that are uh, deriding each other, dismissing each other, 904 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 2: that ship is that's not good and and and it's 905 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 2: not worth even doing right now. 906 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 3: It's not It's really not. 907 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 4: And and it's also one of the things with what 908 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,799 Speaker 4: I understand, because like you say, you have people in 909 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 4: their feelings and then like you said, you're getting your 910 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 4: feelings because I'm very adamant about certain things, and so 911 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 4: you know, when it comes to certain things, you know, 912 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 4: I'm like, what we're not gonna do is this? 913 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,479 Speaker 3: It's just like I mean, it don't take but a second. 914 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:06,440 Speaker 3: I have a little empathy. 915 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,800 Speaker 1: That's all empathy. 916 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,399 Speaker 2: And I've seen such a lack of empathy by people 917 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 2: that's claiming to be super empathetic or at least like 918 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,440 Speaker 2: people that like make a living writing about how to 919 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,239 Speaker 2: every feeling and understanding everything and doing the right thing 920 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 2: and treating everybody good and all this shit and on 921 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 2: the side of all the oppressed people. 922 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,879 Speaker 3: But in this situation, I've seen them say some of the. 923 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 2: Most cold blooded shit about each other groups, right, And 924 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,399 Speaker 2: I've been like, I don't know how you got there 925 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 2: other than being on the internet, not having a real 926 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 2: conversation just fighting right. 927 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 4: And the thing is it is a combination of a 928 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 4: lot of people with a lot of topics and a 929 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,719 Speaker 4: lot of agendas, all talking at the same time in 930 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 4: places that are designed for conflict. And this is kind 931 00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 4: of the end result of that. And that's why I 932 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 4: was saying when the person with the letter, I was like, Oh, 933 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,800 Speaker 4: a lot of this is coming from somebody that spends 934 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:08,280 Speaker 4: a lot of time viewing and looking at things online. 935 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 4: And so you know, that's why I try to I'm 936 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:18,640 Speaker 4: trying to be as understanding and as compassionate as I can, 937 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 4: but also emphasizing on the point that, particularly here in America, 938 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 4: it's a collaboration of things. 939 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm the thing that I think people because 940 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 2: especially once you get into this like hierarchy of feelings 941 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 2: thing that a lot of people believe in that line 942 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 2: where like the most agreed person has to be the 943 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,799 Speaker 2: person with the most power most right. 944 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,840 Speaker 3: The thing for me is like, I'm. 945 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,319 Speaker 2: Just as passionate about voting as some of these people 946 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,239 Speaker 2: are about abstaining from voting agreed, so we're at an 947 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,840 Speaker 2: impast where we're never gonna agree. 948 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 3: Now. I did write her back to be like, can 949 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 3: you kind. 950 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 2: Of clarify because that, like some of the stuff, I'm 951 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 2: not even really sure what you want from us because 952 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,160 Speaker 2: one a lot of it's not stuff we said and 953 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,239 Speaker 2: we don't do, so we ain't admonished anybody during any 954 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:09,720 Speaker 2: of this, right. And also, are you saying like don't 955 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 2: vote or like like you're kind of you're like asking 956 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 2: us about voting, but you're not, you know, and then 957 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,719 Speaker 2: you're kind of saying some stuff that I find to 958 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 2: be like, miss like, that's not what I said, right, 959 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 2: And so she responded back about because I'm like, you know, 960 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 2: what did you mean? So she said, regarding what I 961 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 2: said about people mocking and admonishing the people who are 962 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 2: threatening not to vote, I didn't mean it to come 963 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 2: off as if that's what you did, because of you say, 964 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 2: you've never done that, and I probably wouldn't be listening 965 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 2: to podcasts with those kind of people. When I mentioned that, 966 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 2: I meant to talk about the overwhelming responses I've seen 967 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 2: the people in different spaces online correct which I found 968 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,439 Speaker 2: kind of productive, which I use, which usually only serves 969 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,319 Speaker 2: to drive the people saying they won't vote harder into 970 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:48,760 Speaker 2: the corner. 971 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,960 Speaker 3: And that's why I corrected. 972 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 2: Black Rob cause I don't want it taken out of context. 973 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,320 Speaker 2: This is stealing germane to what we were was written 974 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:03,279 Speaker 2: to us. She's talking about these unproductive conversations, to which 975 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,000 Speaker 2: I'm saying, I don't even know why people want to 976 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:10,080 Speaker 2: have those conversations right now. In addition to them being unproductive, 977 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,919 Speaker 2: this ain't about voter suppression or whatever. It's a year 978 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,520 Speaker 2: away from that. So you're these aren't We're not talking 979 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,960 Speaker 2: about the productive conversations. I told you all listen to 980 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,480 Speaker 2: a bunch of podcasts. Well, I thought the conversations were productive. 981 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 2: Learned a lot of shit, don't still don't know how 982 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:25,360 Speaker 2: you're gonna fix it? 983 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 3: Learn learn a bunch of shit. I didn't know. 984 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 2: Your response, from what I can remember, has been to 985 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,839 Speaker 2: say that the only option is voting, and people saying 986 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,360 Speaker 2: they won't vote are not helping anyone. So already you 987 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 2: misremembering because I ain't never said the only option is voting. 988 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:39,760 Speaker 3: Ever. 989 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,800 Speaker 2: I've always felt like this is a collection. America is 990 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,719 Speaker 2: a collection of different people pushing in the way that 991 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,400 Speaker 2: they feel they can push. I don't think the optioning 992 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 2: out of voting is a push. If you see people 993 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 2: may feel that way. I don't see the evidence of it. 994 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 2: If I've seen, if I could just see one time 995 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,400 Speaker 2: it was successful, maybe I would disagree, you know what 996 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,200 Speaker 2: I'm saying. But I haven't seen to be successful. I've 997 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 2: only seen voting as part of a toolbox of other shit. 998 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 4: Yes, I've only seen that work as a combination. It's like, 999 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,439 Speaker 4: even if you go back and think of all the 1000 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,239 Speaker 4: things and a lot of the laws and people have 1001 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,719 Speaker 4: over the years of other groups have kind of mimic a 1002 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 4: lot of the things that the civil rights people do, 1003 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,600 Speaker 4: and what do they do. They march, they protests, they 1004 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:33,800 Speaker 4: get voted into positions, they make legislation, they turn around, 1005 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 4: and in combination with all these things, they also vote. 1006 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 2: And she's and in addition to that, black people was 1007 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,680 Speaker 2: only allowed to vote in like nineteen sixty. 1008 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:44,959 Speaker 3: Something or whatever. 1009 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:46,640 Speaker 1: It ain't been that long ago, and. 1010 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:51,280 Speaker 2: Black women after that. So I would be a fool 1011 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 2: to say that voting is the only thing that can 1012 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 2: be done in America because we didn't even have the 1013 00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 2: right to have that. We got to vote by not 1014 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:02,959 Speaker 2: without being allowed to vote. 1015 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,040 Speaker 3: We had to push and organize. 1016 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 2: But pushing and organizing is not just staying home on 1017 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:09,799 Speaker 2: election day. 1018 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 3: And tweeting. 1019 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,200 Speaker 2: It's not the same, you know, Like I said, I'm 1020 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,880 Speaker 2: not gonna mock anybody else marching and. 1021 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,120 Speaker 3: Shit shutting shit down. 1022 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 2: You know, they went to the Christmas cree lighting ceremony 1023 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,799 Speaker 2: or something, and I heard they were gonna I don't 1024 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,799 Speaker 2: know if they did, but I heard that they were 1025 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:24,279 Speaker 2: gonna have. 1026 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:25,400 Speaker 3: Groups come out in protest. 1027 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:26,360 Speaker 1: Good. 1028 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,239 Speaker 2: You've never seen us get on here and shit on 1029 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,000 Speaker 2: no protesters unless they were like, maga, you know January six, 1030 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 2: ass niggas. 1031 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,239 Speaker 3: We don't do that here. It's part of the thing 1032 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:37,960 Speaker 3: you need it. 1033 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,839 Speaker 2: It's like when I talk about Disney and I'm like, 1034 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 2: you know, a lot of black women were upset when you. 1035 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,080 Speaker 3: Know, Star Wars. 1036 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,279 Speaker 2: The Force Awakens came out and they were like, why 1037 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 2: Lapita and Nyango gotta be like a cgi character? Why 1038 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 2: she can't be on the screen as just Lapita Nyango, 1039 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,320 Speaker 2: you know, Jedi or sorcerer or whatever. And I remember 1040 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,359 Speaker 2: a lot of people being like, man, shut the fuck up. 1041 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 2: They got a girl as the lead white girl. They 1042 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,799 Speaker 2: got a brother as a co league. Uh, they got this, 1043 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,720 Speaker 2: And I'm like, why are y'all talking to black women 1044 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:11,200 Speaker 2: that way? 1045 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,120 Speaker 3: For wanting what you got already, right, m you. 1046 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,640 Speaker 2: The same motherfuckers as Mad to this day. Finn ain't 1047 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,359 Speaker 2: kissed ring. So you care about representation. I'm not gonna 1048 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 2: ask why in those ways, but you care about them 1049 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,680 Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. So don't try to throw 1050 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,680 Speaker 2: that shit at me, like, oh nah, I don't I 1051 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,200 Speaker 2: don't understand all of a sudden why So no, you 1052 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,280 Speaker 2: do understand it. And honestly, they pushed and pushed and 1053 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,280 Speaker 2: now you got three four, five different black women jedis 1054 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:43,280 Speaker 2: and characters all throughout the universe and and shit Ahsoka 1055 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 2: the dopest show to me. 1056 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,880 Speaker 3: So like, but you, but you don't get that. 1057 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:52,719 Speaker 2: If you don't say nothing, you know you like organize it, honestly, dog, 1058 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 2: the money. 1059 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:54,320 Speaker 3: Speak more than anything. 1060 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,920 Speaker 2: So like if we're being if we're being frank, if 1061 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 2: you could get the money together, you can change polity 1062 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:00,719 Speaker 2: this on the night. 1063 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:05,239 Speaker 4: And also what I realized, particularly in this country and 1064 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,840 Speaker 4: the way this country is designed, if you don't participate 1065 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,680 Speaker 4: in the system, your voice isn't heard. So if you 1066 00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,520 Speaker 4: don't participate in the system, people that run the system 1067 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,239 Speaker 4: don't give a fuck about how you feel because you're 1068 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:20,440 Speaker 4: not in the system. 1069 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,719 Speaker 2: So they don't have to, nor are they obligated. IRESs 1070 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:25,520 Speaker 2: your concerns. 1071 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,120 Speaker 3: When has it worked? 1072 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,879 Speaker 2: I wait, show me the time this tactic worked, right, 1073 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,880 Speaker 2: because this is what you told me you weren't voting 1074 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:35,960 Speaker 2: for in twenty sixteen. 1075 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,920 Speaker 3: You know the people that were on this. Then we 1076 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:39,760 Speaker 3: went through Trump. 1077 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,680 Speaker 2: Where is this great Trump who basically got the Supreme 1078 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:47,479 Speaker 2: Court on lock? 1079 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,200 Speaker 3: Now where's this great progress? Where's it coming from? Y'all? 1080 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,359 Speaker 2: Now you're just mad at Biden because he's not progressive enough, 1081 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,040 Speaker 2: because you know what. 1082 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,200 Speaker 3: You actually teach them when you don't vote. 1083 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 2: You need to get more to the middle, because that's 1084 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,480 Speaker 2: what the people are willing to still vote. The the 1085 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,880 Speaker 2: fringes aren't willing to vote in this country unless it's Trump. 1086 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,520 Speaker 3: People for Trump. You see what I'm saying. So I 1087 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:11,360 Speaker 3: just think. 1088 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,000 Speaker 2: If you're being if you're if you're if you're a 1089 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,840 Speaker 2: solution oriented, it wouldn't even do you no good yelling 1090 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:18,520 Speaker 2: at these folks. 1091 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,760 Speaker 3: I just don't see why. People just are scared. 1092 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,839 Speaker 2: It's gotta be scared that make you yell at them 1093 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,359 Speaker 2: because you're so scared of Trump coming back. 1094 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:27,719 Speaker 3: But they scared too. 1095 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,960 Speaker 2: This is their fear reaction from people got fights, some 1096 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,840 Speaker 2: people got flight, and I got some people freeze, you know, 1097 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,680 Speaker 2: and and and if I'm being frank with you, I 1098 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,120 Speaker 2: don't think there's anything body could do to get those 1099 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,720 Speaker 2: folks back if they're grand standing like that right. 1100 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,479 Speaker 3: Now, I don't he could stop. 1101 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,080 Speaker 2: He can say I'm cutting off eight tomorrow and they 1102 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,399 Speaker 2: still be like, well he took them too long. 1103 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,840 Speaker 3: It's it's over for that. 1104 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,440 Speaker 2: And it's and as far as as far as his 1105 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,880 Speaker 2: country is concerned, it's mostly concerned with the money and 1106 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,719 Speaker 2: the voter. So once you say I'm not voting, it's 1107 00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,719 Speaker 2: kind of over for them even listening to you right in. 1108 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,920 Speaker 2: You can be a disruptor, yeah, but you still need 1109 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,839 Speaker 2: to get people on your side, like yes, you need 1110 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,120 Speaker 2: to get people in power to push your agendas into 1111 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:09,160 Speaker 2: things that you won't done. 1112 00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,480 Speaker 1: And the old saying is if you ain't at the 1113 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:12,919 Speaker 1: table the menu. 1114 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 2: And it's like when it's like one of the things 1115 00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,520 Speaker 2: with the civil rights movement that I just think a 1116 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,560 Speaker 2: lot of people fundamentally still don't understand. I see this 1117 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,520 Speaker 2: on Twitter all the time. Somebody I'll be like, I 1118 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,800 Speaker 2: told you how to boycott Starbucks. I ain't et Starbucks, 1119 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,840 Speaker 2: and and I'm like, good for you, But you know what, 1120 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,480 Speaker 2: you really didn't do. You just tweeted about it and 1121 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,080 Speaker 2: you didn't do it, and you stayed at home and 1122 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:32,760 Speaker 2: you ate, you drink a different coffee. 1123 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,440 Speaker 3: Correct, you're not a fucking hero, bro. 1124 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,960 Speaker 2: You just you did the least amount of like not 1125 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,000 Speaker 2: you do. You not did something. You didn't do something, 1126 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,879 Speaker 2: You not did something right. But most importantly, what they're 1127 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,080 Speaker 2: saying in that moment is me, me, me, me, me. 1128 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,920 Speaker 2: That's not about us, it's I'm better than the rest 1129 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,359 Speaker 2: of you. I didn't do that thing, and I boycotted. 1130 00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,560 Speaker 2: You didn't boycott. You just stopped buying Starbucks because there's 1131 00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,239 Speaker 2: a boycott's people boycott, and the meaning of that word 1132 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,719 Speaker 2: boycot is saying black people in this town will not 1133 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,080 Speaker 2: ride a bus until you pass. You, take down the 1134 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,400 Speaker 2: colored section of the bus, stop making us sit in 1135 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,640 Speaker 2: the back. And then guess what when you got that 1136 00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,439 Speaker 2: taken care of, Guess what they did. The community told 1137 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,000 Speaker 2: black people start riding the fucking bus yep. And the 1138 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,040 Speaker 2: reason you have to do that is because you have 1139 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,560 Speaker 2: to have a moment of like rewarding, because your actual 1140 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,360 Speaker 2: influence doesn't come from the boycott. 1141 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,080 Speaker 3: The influence actually comes from the vote. 1142 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,160 Speaker 2: You have to work your way into it and gratiate 1143 00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 2: it become intrinsic. There's a reason you see a lot 1144 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,719 Speaker 2: more black women specifically as politicians right now. 1145 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, can we tired of this bullshit? 1146 00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,000 Speaker 2: Well okay, but well they've been tired of the shit 1147 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,640 Speaker 2: the all time. But it's because they work their way in, 1148 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:53,040 Speaker 2: they have leverage, they become important. And then you have 1149 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,920 Speaker 2: a black vice president that passes, you know, Bill for 1150 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,759 Speaker 2: Black Maternal Health. You have that because she leveraged that 1151 00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:06,440 Speaker 2: she would to be the perfect, like the perfect, faultless, 1152 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,319 Speaker 2: pure person. Sure you could be that, you won't be 1153 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,719 Speaker 2: vice president and you won't pass anything. So I think 1154 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,880 Speaker 2: those are the pragmatic ways in which we look at 1155 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,920 Speaker 2: voting on this show and as a couple. But at 1156 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,160 Speaker 2: the same time, I still have heart and would not 1157 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,400 Speaker 2: yell at some air of Americans or anybody. 1158 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,759 Speaker 3: I'm not yelling at anybody dog Like I get it. 1159 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:30,839 Speaker 3: I'm here too. 1160 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,760 Speaker 2: I have my days of rage and shit in my mind, 1161 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:38,000 Speaker 2: you know, like it's I just I get it, but 1162 00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,799 Speaker 2: I don't give into it in that way. 1163 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,520 Speaker 3: And if people do, they just do. 1164 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,560 Speaker 2: And I'm not responsible for that, and it's and honestly, 1165 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,719 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna reach them yelling at them, and so 1166 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,960 Speaker 2: I'm not and they're not gonna reach me, by the way, 1167 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,240 Speaker 2: yelling at me. If I'm being frank. I can't imagine anybody, 1168 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,000 Speaker 2: you know, and obviously you didn't do this, but I 1169 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,200 Speaker 2: can't even picture somebody writing up here saying some crazy 1170 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,319 Speaker 2: shit to me and made me be like, well, fuck it, man, 1171 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,560 Speaker 2: I guess it's Trump again. No, I'm not gonna do it. 1172 00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,120 Speaker 2: You know it, and I know it. So what we 1173 00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:12,600 Speaker 2: even talking about? But she said, uh, you also recall 1174 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,800 Speaker 2: you saying you don't approve because you aren't single issue voters, 1175 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,720 Speaker 2: which is why I reference that in my previous email. 1176 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,120 Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, okay, thank you for clarifying little 1177 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,799 Speaker 2: paranoid since Julie, you know, I just need to make 1178 00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,960 Speaker 2: sure people don't say we're saying shit we ain't say. 1179 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:26,120 Speaker 3: But uh, you. 1180 00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,920 Speaker 2: Know, I said, and I appreciate the response, uh, we 1181 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,560 Speaker 2: give and return, because I said, I always I also 1182 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,279 Speaker 2: wanted this information because I wanted to make sure the 1183 00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,360 Speaker 2: response we give is thoughtful and accurate, right because if 1184 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,800 Speaker 2: I because if I'm projecting under your first email, and 1185 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:39,759 Speaker 2: I'm just saying like. 1186 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:40,800 Speaker 3: Oh, you ain't voting. 1187 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,160 Speaker 2: Then you go, I don't even live in America, remember, like, 1188 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,439 Speaker 2: oh my bad. And I did ask her this because 1189 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,440 Speaker 2: I think this is important. It's a question that most 1190 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,200 Speaker 2: of the time these bad faith conversations, nobody wants to answer. 1191 00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:56,880 Speaker 2: But I'm like, so, if your thing is not voting, 1192 00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,160 Speaker 2: can you explain to me or you know that people Well, 1193 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,080 Speaker 2: the thing is people saying they shouldn't vote. Because let 1194 00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,680 Speaker 2: me stop personalizing this. I said, in this world where 1195 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,960 Speaker 2: we don't vote, what's the outcome and how does it 1196 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,120 Speaker 2: help resolve this conflict in Israel and Gaza? She said, 1197 00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,040 Speaker 2: My version of the world isn't one in which we 1198 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,600 Speaker 2: don't vote. It's one in which we force better options 1199 00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,280 Speaker 2: out of the political class. It may be wishful thinking, 1200 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,480 Speaker 2: especially for me as a citizen of a country that 1201 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,680 Speaker 2: has not had a credible election in over a decade, 1202 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,840 Speaker 2: but the myth of American democracy is that it is 1203 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,000 Speaker 2: representative of other people, even in the most dire circumstances. 1204 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,000 Speaker 2: Let me just stop right there and say, I don't 1205 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,680 Speaker 2: believe in that meth I don't either, So you already 1206 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,400 Speaker 2: talking to somebody that's never I never bought into it. 1207 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,240 Speaker 3: I don't believe in the utopia. 1208 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,080 Speaker 2: I don't believe in the secret majority of people that 1209 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,040 Speaker 2: have some common sense and love each other. I don't 1210 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,000 Speaker 2: believe in the Americans that want to be neighbors. And 1211 00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,160 Speaker 2: I don't believe it truly does exist. I'm not saying 1212 00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,520 Speaker 2: every person that disagrees with me is not a decent 1213 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:56,240 Speaker 2: person or whatever. 1214 00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:57,640 Speaker 3: But I just think we. 1215 00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:02,240 Speaker 2: Have always softened our history so that we're never talking 1216 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,120 Speaker 2: about how it wasn't like that. At every single moment 1217 00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,720 Speaker 2: in history in America, it was never like that, you know. I, 1218 00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,240 Speaker 2: Like I said, when I see people taking inbody these myths, 1219 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,560 Speaker 2: a little bit of me is like, sucker, they got you. 1220 00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,560 Speaker 2: You know, Well, we don't do this, then we can 1221 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,120 Speaker 2: come together. Suck, they got you, right, Stop thinking that 1222 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,040 Speaker 2: that's a possibility. 1223 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,240 Speaker 3: That's not it. So now what we need to look 1224 00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:24,880 Speaker 3: at as a fight. 1225 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,320 Speaker 2: And we got the motherfuckers want to go back to slavery, 1226 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:29,320 Speaker 2: and we got us. 1227 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:30,600 Speaker 1: And it's that simple to me. 1228 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,840 Speaker 4: And I remember I've said this before and I will 1229 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,360 Speaker 4: continue to be adamant. The goal is slavery, and I've 1230 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,720 Speaker 4: been saying that for years and everybody looks at me like, 1231 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,200 Speaker 4: I'm a fucking lunatic, but I know what I'm talking about. 1232 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:44,000 Speaker 1: That's the goal. 1233 00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,520 Speaker 4: With the accomplish it probably not, but once you understand 1234 00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,440 Speaker 4: that that's the goal, you understand every goddamn tactic that 1235 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,240 Speaker 4: they're using, because the same tactics. 1236 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,360 Speaker 3: I need you to understand. I live in North Carolina. 1237 00:58:55,440 --> 00:59:02,160 Speaker 2: Our democracy quote unquote was actually in a study analyzed 1238 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,160 Speaker 2: by this I forget the group, but they analyzed like third. 1239 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,080 Speaker 3: World country, first world country, you believe in all that shit, 1240 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:08,640 Speaker 3: you know whatever. 1241 00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:13,400 Speaker 2: But they analyzed normally foreign institutions, like countries in their democracies, 1242 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,680 Speaker 2: and they're like, is this a democracy or not? 1243 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:17,600 Speaker 3: Well, they started doing states. 1244 00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,680 Speaker 2: My state of North Carolina is not a democracy because 1245 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:26,160 Speaker 2: it's an unconstitutional We are fighting in court today. 1246 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,480 Speaker 3: Before we went on the air, breaking news. 1247 00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,080 Speaker 2: Black and Latino voters in North Carolina have just filed 1248 00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:37,600 Speaker 2: a lawsuit against the state because the jerrymandering in our 1249 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:42,800 Speaker 2: state has essentially robbed us of the right to vote yes. 1250 00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,000 Speaker 2: And a lot of that happened because of people's complacency 1251 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,600 Speaker 2: and staying at home because we didn't get the perfect 1252 00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,840 Speaker 2: choice for president, right as if there is one. Keep 1253 00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,120 Speaker 2: in mind, but when Joe Biden won, he beat every 1254 00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,480 Speaker 2: type of person that we claim we want. He beat 1255 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:06,240 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren, he beat Kamala Harris, he beat Pete Boudagett. 1256 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,960 Speaker 2: He'd be uh beetho, like he'd beat every kind of 1257 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:15,600 Speaker 2: fucking person that wasn't him. So like this is the country. 1258 01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,560 Speaker 2: I've just accepted that, right, I don't. I don't think 1259 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,200 Speaker 2: we're the liberal country we pretend to be with the 1260 01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,800 Speaker 2: country of all the freedom in the in the fountain, 1261 01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:25,680 Speaker 2: And will. 1262 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,840 Speaker 3: You know, give me liberty or death? We ain't them, 1263 01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,240 Speaker 3: that ain't us. We've been given death a lot. 1264 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,160 Speaker 1: We just been given a lot of death right. 1265 01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,880 Speaker 4: And and also it's one of those things, particularly here 1266 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:42,120 Speaker 4: in North Carolina, I happen to be very privileged where 1267 01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,400 Speaker 4: I have a driver's license, I have a photo ID, 1268 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:49,160 Speaker 4: I have this, and so now in our state. 1269 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,400 Speaker 1: Because people are opting not their mother fucking vote. 1270 01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,200 Speaker 4: Now when I go vote, I can't just give up 1271 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,720 Speaker 4: my name and address and move on. So what happens 1272 01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,960 Speaker 4: if you're somebody was born up a certain time where 1273 01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:01,840 Speaker 4: yo the hospital you was born, it is not there, 1274 01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,440 Speaker 4: and there's no records of your documentations. What happened to 1275 01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,320 Speaker 4: people that they can't prove theirself not all of a sudden, 1276 01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,160 Speaker 4: some of these older people can't fucking vote. That shit 1277 01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,640 Speaker 4: fucking matters to me, and it matters a goddamn lots 1278 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:13,440 Speaker 4: right now. 1279 01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,560 Speaker 2: There are so much political corruption in US elections that 1280 01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:28,320 Speaker 2: we've seen ai apakh Uh American Israel Public Affairs Committee. 1281 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:29,840 Speaker 3: Okay, so it's a pack. 1282 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,800 Speaker 2: Directly attempt to interfere with White House election was zero 1283 01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,280 Speaker 2: pushback from those in power. 1284 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,280 Speaker 3: See, that's that's the internet thing. 1285 01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:41,600 Speaker 2: I don't know what that means exactly about interfering House 1286 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:46,080 Speaker 2: elections exactly. So you know, once again, we haven't talked 1287 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,000 Speaker 2: about that on the show, So I feel like that's 1288 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,200 Speaker 2: something you've been going back and forth with people on 1289 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:55,120 Speaker 2: Twitter about or something. But even if if that was 1290 01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,440 Speaker 2: the case, that just is another reason why I'm like, so, 1291 01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,560 Speaker 2: then where the other pack did you see the rules 1292 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,760 Speaker 2: of the game right there? If you're saying that it's 1293 01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,960 Speaker 2: their money that has changing out of da DA and 1294 01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:09,120 Speaker 2: this is the problem where's not voting, is not gonna 1295 01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,640 Speaker 2: is not what they did to get power. If that's 1296 01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,000 Speaker 2: what they did to get powers, influencing elections. I doubt 1297 01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,560 Speaker 2: it was because they said, oh, we're abstaining from voting. 1298 01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,400 Speaker 4: Right, and you know, and it's also particularly being here 1299 01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,560 Speaker 4: in the in the state of North Carolina, you know, 1300 01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,280 Speaker 4: And it's funny how people talking about they you know, 1301 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,240 Speaker 4: they're they're opting not to vote all this shit, but 1302 01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,760 Speaker 4: Republicans vote them, motherfuckers vote. They would go fucking oxygen 1303 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,560 Speaker 4: tanks and pull that goddamn lever. 1304 01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, they voted and losses for a long time. 1305 01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,280 Speaker 2: They actually don't have the popular vote, so like they 1306 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,600 Speaker 2: have not won the popular vote in a long, long 1307 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:42,120 Speaker 2: long time. 1308 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,880 Speaker 3: It just they just don't give up like we do. 1309 01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,600 Speaker 2: Also, as soon as you think I'm advocating for people 1310 01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,240 Speaker 2: and not voting, I'm not. I'm wondering when else people 1311 01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,640 Speaker 2: can use the only power they have as an electorate 1312 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,480 Speaker 2: that then to compel their government to actually represents their interest. 1313 01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:00,560 Speaker 2: I think we already answered this one before. But once again, 1314 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,640 Speaker 2: it's not you're saying it's the only power they have. 1315 01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:03,240 Speaker 3: I'm not. 1316 01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,160 Speaker 2: If more people say they wouldn't vote because of the 1317 01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,080 Speaker 2: ongoing genocide the Palestinians and the government still ignored them, 1318 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,240 Speaker 2: it would also reveal something about the American government, which 1319 01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,600 Speaker 2: would cause a change in the future. I don't want 1320 01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,840 Speaker 2: to believe that the only option for people are more 1321 01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,560 Speaker 2: or less genocide. It may it maybe seems impossible, but 1322 01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,400 Speaker 2: hope is literally the only thing I have left. And 1323 01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:28,600 Speaker 2: I'll just say I'm not saying you're advocating for not voting, 1324 01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:35,960 Speaker 2: but I just don't agree about the American government is 1325 01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,640 Speaker 2: gonna change in the future because of what of people 1326 01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:39,120 Speaker 2: not voting. 1327 01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,560 Speaker 4: You have a utopia of this country that I don't 1328 01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,040 Speaker 4: have because I live here. I'm not trying to be 1329 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,560 Speaker 4: funny when I say that, Like, your view is completely 1330 01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:49,000 Speaker 4: different than my view as somebody who lives here, and 1331 01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,120 Speaker 4: I don't believe in that bullshit. And hope for me 1332 01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,000 Speaker 4: is voting. Hope for me is marching hope for me, 1333 01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,760 Speaker 4: Like that's what I get hope. I don't get hope 1334 01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,120 Speaker 4: from America doing the right thing. America only does the 1335 01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,800 Speaker 4: right thing when it's God damn forced to. People don't 1336 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,520 Speaker 4: willingly do the right thing in this country. 1337 01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,760 Speaker 1: You got to have shit in low shit ridding ship. 1338 01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,280 Speaker 2: On the motherfucking books for people to do what they're 1339 01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:17,080 Speaker 2: supposed to do in this country. Yeah, I'll just say 1340 01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,520 Speaker 2: that is as sad and Senegal as it is. I 1341 01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:24,840 Speaker 2: do think the options are more or less genocide. I 1342 01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,360 Speaker 2: don't think America is never I don't think we've ever 1343 01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:31,520 Speaker 2: not been complicit in some genocide in the in the world, right, 1344 01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,000 Speaker 2: especially when we decide to become world police and the 1345 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:38,960 Speaker 2: biggest military uh in the in the world, biggest military 1346 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:40,640 Speaker 2: in the world. We don't We're not the country with 1347 01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,520 Speaker 2: the most people, but we got the biggest military. 1348 01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,720 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sorry, but that's how I feel. 1349 01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:50,720 Speaker 2: I feel like And if you're talking about having hope, 1350 01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:55,320 Speaker 2: the hope to me is in the voting and pushing 1351 01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,480 Speaker 2: things as far as you can get them, even if 1352 01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,120 Speaker 2: it's the if it's sissifust, even if you're just pushing 1353 01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,520 Speaker 2: that ball that will never make it to the top of. 1354 01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:03,680 Speaker 3: The mount mount. 1355 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,400 Speaker 2: I think pushing that ball is a worthwhile endeavor that 1356 01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:08,560 Speaker 2: we should be participating in. 1357 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:12,280 Speaker 3: And I don't think I don't think not vote. 1358 01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:16,400 Speaker 2: I think not voting is pushing the ball with less 1359 01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,880 Speaker 2: effort than pushing the ball uh in the in a 1360 01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:22,480 Speaker 2: bunch of ways and voting. So that's that's how I feel, 1361 01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:28,880 Speaker 2: all right. But you know, hopefully we address your concerns. 1362 01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,080 Speaker 2: I hope you don't feel any level of like disrespected 1363 01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,280 Speaker 2: or whatever, because that's not our intent. 1364 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,480 Speaker 4: No, that's not our intent, and it you know, and 1365 01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,720 Speaker 4: it's also you know, one of the things that particularly 1366 01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,400 Speaker 4: what you're not being here, you're getting our perspective and 1367 01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:46,240 Speaker 4: our Americans perspective and our American Southern perspective, not trying 1368 01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,520 Speaker 4: to fund it, which is actually a buried. 1369 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:53,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, podcasters from California or New York, they probably would 1370 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,360 Speaker 2: be one hundred percent like fuck it, don't vote. They 1371 01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,960 Speaker 2: you know, a lot of times, like I said, in 1372 01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,120 Speaker 2: New York, a lot of people just don't vote anyway. 1373 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,000 Speaker 2: And for the most part, you know, they might not 1374 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,320 Speaker 2: like mayor Adams, but they cool with whatever the fuck 1375 01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,080 Speaker 2: they get for the most part. So like, there's places 1376 01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,600 Speaker 2: in this country where I think the relationship to voting 1377 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,280 Speaker 2: is not one that was fought for. 1378 01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,080 Speaker 3: The same or or the fight was valued the same. 1379 01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,360 Speaker 2: You know, when I hear black people say nobody die 1380 01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,280 Speaker 2: for my vote, I'm like, you either don't know history 1381 01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,440 Speaker 2: or you just ain't from here, because I one know 1382 01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,520 Speaker 2: that people die for my vote is what it is. 1383 01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,959 Speaker 4: It's documentation books, It's that nigga, I'm going to vote. 1384 01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:28,720 Speaker 1: I might die. 1385 01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not feelings as facts, you know. 1386 01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,520 Speaker 2: So, but yeah, that's you know, I think that's the 1387 01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:36,640 Speaker 2: longest short of it. I know that was like a 1388 01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,800 Speaker 2: big thing to start the show with and it's already 1389 01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,160 Speaker 2: been like an hour. But I just it's something I'm 1390 01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,520 Speaker 2: passionate about and I didn't feel like, wait until Saturday 1391 01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,240 Speaker 2: was gonna fit be any better? 1392 01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:52,160 Speaker 3: Right, and so yeah, and you know, I'm not an 1393 01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:53,520 Speaker 3: honestly dog, I'm not. 1394 01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,960 Speaker 2: This is not Please don't write in here people listening 1395 01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,640 Speaker 2: as if like, well, let me convince you the other 1396 01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:00,440 Speaker 2: way this. 1397 01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:01,880 Speaker 3: I'm not trying to fight. 1398 01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,160 Speaker 1: You, right, that's not I know how I feel. 1399 01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:05,760 Speaker 3: You know how I feel. 1400 01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,080 Speaker 2: There will never be an argument you can make that's 1401 01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,960 Speaker 2: gonna change my mind about it. I'm that convicted and 1402 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,560 Speaker 2: I will never not be this convicted again. 1403 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,120 Speaker 1: Agreed. 1404 01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,920 Speaker 3: I'm never I'm never even gonna be kind of like, 1405 01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:21,600 Speaker 3: m okay, it's. 1406 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,520 Speaker 1: Me and right just talked about that Hillary Clinton, fuck that. 1407 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:26,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna do that. 1408 01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,800 Speaker 2: So you know, And like I said, it's I'm not 1409 01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,400 Speaker 2: engaging the arguments because what the point. 1410 01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,080 Speaker 4: Be, right, It's not conspective and it's not gonna change 1411 01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:35,080 Speaker 4: anybody's mind. 1412 01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:36,480 Speaker 1: I'm voting the end. 1413 01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,959 Speaker 2: And I and also because I do understand why people 1414 01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,840 Speaker 2: feel that way. So that's so it's just no, like 1415 01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,440 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna deny that your feelings are valid. So 1416 01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,400 Speaker 2: it's you know, it's like if some folks feel like, 1417 01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:48,919 Speaker 2: fuck it, I'm not voting. 1418 01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,360 Speaker 3: It ain't getting enough done for me. Cool, you know 1419 01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:51,960 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. 1420 01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:55,479 Speaker 2: I if you turn out to be right and I'm wrong, 1421 01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,800 Speaker 2: then then God bless you when we find out together. 1422 01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:02,280 Speaker 2: But personally, I haven't felt this like this country has 1423 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,640 Speaker 2: had right wing Republican administrations a few times in my lifetime. 1424 01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,919 Speaker 2: Not once have we emerged out of that and been like, well, 1425 01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,800 Speaker 2: since enough people didn't vote last time, we're gonna get 1426 01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:14,360 Speaker 2: all the right policies done. 1427 01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,679 Speaker 1: You know, even at this country function. 1428 01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,920 Speaker 2: And like I said, with Biden, he's actually nailing it 1429 01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,120 Speaker 2: on a lot of these policies. People don't want to 1430 01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,400 Speaker 2: give them props, but look where we're looking at for 1431 01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,439 Speaker 2: the props to come from. It ain't places where they 1432 01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,120 Speaker 2: give props, you know, matter of fact, you know what, 1433 01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:31,640 Speaker 2: fuck it. That's the end of episode. Uh, we addressed enough. 1434 01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,680 Speaker 2: It's already been an hour and it's late. We got 1435 01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:37,880 Speaker 2: a late start. Thank you for listening to everybody. We'll 1436 01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:41,599 Speaker 2: be back throughout the week with you know, probably more 1437 01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:43,800 Speaker 2: Chip or Fun episodes that y'all actually do want to 1438 01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:44,200 Speaker 2: listen to. 1439 01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,000 Speaker 1: I know there was like the email actually went out today, 1440 01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:47,760 Speaker 1: Rod the hell? 1441 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:49,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know some people are gonna be mad as shit, 1442 01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:54,439 Speaker 2: but whatever, you know, we'll we'll see if you don't 1443 01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,640 Speaker 2: like it. Voting the polls on the podcast, Okay, we 1444 01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:58,240 Speaker 2: don't listen to people you'll vote mad. 1445 01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,360 Speaker 3: That just protests. You gotta vote. The only voting, that's 1446 01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,200 Speaker 3: the only tool, it's the only thing. 1447 01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,680 Speaker 1: That's doing ever work. Y'all vote now. You know what 1448 01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:06,160 Speaker 1: I'll say. 1449 01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:08,599 Speaker 2: I'll say because we will pay you no attention if 1450 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,880 Speaker 2: you don't vote, I say, if you don't vote, shut up, 1451 01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,439 Speaker 2: That's what I say. I call people stupid too. I'll 1452 01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:14,320 Speaker 2: be like you stupid. 1453 01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,680 Speaker 1: No, we do nothing, disagree. 1454 01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,559 Speaker 2: With me, fuck you you dumb it. No, that's not 1455 01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:20,599 Speaker 2: the show we're doing it. 1456 01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:21,759 Speaker 1: It's not at all. 1457 01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,880 Speaker 2: But thank you for writing. Thank you everybody. We'll be 1458 01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:25,960 Speaker 2: back until then. 1459 01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:26,400 Speaker 3: I love you. 1460 01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:27,000 Speaker 1: I love you too. 1461 01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:27,320 Speaker 2: Na