WEBVTT - #587 Packers Unscripted: Diving into the draft 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:11.600 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:15.320 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:19.000 by the one and only Western Hotkowitz. Were coming to 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:21.759 you here from our studios at lambeau Field and West. 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:26.400 The first round of the two thousand twenty one NFL 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:31.640 Draft is one week away from today, so both on 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:34.599 this show and our show early next week, we're going 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:37.839 to get into some draft preview here with regard to 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.440 the Packers and those who have been paying attention to 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.040 our website. We'll see that you and I have been 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:48.000 in the midst of our annual position by position roster review, 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.440 sort of giving the overview of every position on the 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.720 roster where things stand heading into the draft. Today actually 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:58.080 wraps up the look at the offensive positions. Tomorrow will 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:00.720 be the start of the defensive positions and carry into 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:03.280 next week. But I'll just throw this out there to 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:05.880 you as a wide open question. We know the Packers 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:10.679 don't ultimately make their draft decisions when it comes right 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:12.360 down to it and you're on the clock based on 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:15.400 what position you want. It's about how the board falls 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.720 and the best player available. But what do you see 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:22.399 as the Packers highest priorities position wise in terms of 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:26.360 what this roster needs to get out of this draft. 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.039 I just have to start with I. Really, it would 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:30.040 be really refreshing one year, if you know, because Brian 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:32.479 Goodins is gonna talk on Monday, he'll do his dress. 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:34.679 We're gonna hear from him on Monday afternoon. Yeah, a 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:36.720 lot of a lot of gms are doing that right now. 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:38.760 It would be really refreshing if the GM went up 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:42.119 there and said, we're going this is like the pick 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:45.280 in the first round. We're going receiver whatever, We're taking 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.720 the best receiver available now. I don't care about the 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:51.760 other Just announce your intentions. Make it known to everyone. Receiver. Yeah, 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:53.760 I think that would be actually the way you go 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:55.600 about do this. We don't care how the board falls. 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.160 I don't care if reivers have to take it. We're 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:01.800 taking a receiver. No, you're right, because if you look 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:03.920 at it from Green Bay's perspective, they always talked about 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.720 best player available. Everybody talks about best player available now, 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:08.839 but the Packers started doing it first. Let's just make 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:13.160 that known as well. But no, I always say this, Mike, 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:17.160 I use history as my guide here. People mock drafters 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:19.360 will go and they'll give the Packers a receiver in 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.760 the first round. Packers haven't taken a receiver in the 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.400 first round. And since I was an eighth grader, right 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.760 to talk about inside linebacker, Packers haven't taken a first 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.880 round inside linebackers. It's two thousand five, those type of things. 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.720 So that's why two thousand six, excuse me, two thou 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:36.760 five was a different first round pick. It was. Man, 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:40.920 it's been a rough start, you know, but it's been 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.079 a minute, right, So there's two ways you can look 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.240 at that. Either they're overdue for one or that just 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:47.400 isn't the direction they're gonna go. So me personally, I 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.040 use history as my guide. Packers have gone with a 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.919 lot of offensive linemen, a lot of defensive lineman in 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.520 some defensive backs in the first round. Into me Mike. 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.400 I said it in our offseason show with Larry. I 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:02.160 look it off pensive line as a position where you're 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:03.760 going to get a lot of bang for your buck. 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.600 One with the strength of this draft and some of 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.720 the guys that could potentially be available there at number 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.600 twenty nine. But to also because and as I wrote 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.359 in our Position by position that is running on Thursday. 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:19.080 The Packers have so much versatility there that if you 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:22.239 find a guy that is a really good prospect that 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.280 maybe he was left tackle, maybe he was a college guard, 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.720 maybe maybe he was a center, although typically that's not 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.560 been a position the Packers have used have drafted in 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.200 the first round. You can move around the rest of 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.840 your pieces. I think this offensive line looks really formidable. 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.360 If you have Billy Turner at right tackle, I think 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.920 you have a guy like Lucas Patrick that can play 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.120 anywhere inside. And then Elton Jenkins is going to be 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.960 the ultimate wild card here throughout his time in Green 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:48.560 Bay because you can play him in so different, so 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.880 many different positions. So depending on how the board falls, 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:53.800 that's the position right now I think really makes a 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:55.880 lot of sense for Green Bay. We've heard all the 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:59.040 rumblings about defensive line not being as as deep in 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:00.880 this draft, so then that uses the question of do 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.280 you go get one early, do you not get one 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:07.280 at all? And then certainly some intriguing outside rushers, some 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:09.280 great cornerbacks that could be available at the end of 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.280 the first round. It's gonna be really interesting, probably more 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:14.640 than any other draft I've covered. Entering that final stretch 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:16.040 of the first round, I think there's a lot of 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:19.000 guys that can make sense for Green Bay. Yeah. I've 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:23.320 been saying this for several weeks now that as far 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:27.680 as the priority positions of need for the Packers to me, 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:31.679 there are three that jump out. It's offensive line, defensive line, 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.960 and cornerback. Now that's not to say that I mean, yes, 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:38.120 you would like to obviously add it inside linebacker, you'd 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.040 like to You definitely like to draft a receiver this 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:44.200 year after not drafting one last year given the contract 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:48.640 situations and all that um at that position. But in 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:53.200 terms of the highest priorities for me, it's the offensive line, 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.719 the defensive line, and cornerback. And when you look at 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.400 what the analysts are saying about this draft, and with 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:02.200 the Packers sitting at number twenty nine, it sure seems 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.640 like there's a good chance that an offensive tackle or 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.800 a cornerback, because of the depth of those positions, that 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:10.880 there's gonna be a darn good one there that the 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.880 Packers could get at twenty nine. Could be a lot 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:17.320 harder to get a defensive lineman because they're talking about 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:21.280 this being a really thin class in that regard, and 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.560 it also might be difficult to get a quality defensive 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.719 lineman later in the draft. So then you start to wonder, well, 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.520 if one of the top defensive lineman is there at 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.840 twenty nine, can you afford to pass on that guy? Right? 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.520 If there, if there's greater depth that offensive tackle and cornerback, 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:41.159 then of course there's always with Brian Gudacus, there's always 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.720 the possibility of trading and moving around the board, right, 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.640 I mean, does he trade up from twenty nine? Does 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.279 the board look so strong at twenty nine? Does he 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.040 trade back? You know, a few spots would put him 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.200 in the top of the second round, pick up an 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:58.520 extra pick somewhere. We'll talk about those possibilities and scenarios 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:00.719 on our next show a little bit as well. But 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.359 the guys, the guys in the trenches, and then and 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:08.920 then a cornerback, because beyond JR. Alexander, your next two cornerbacks, 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.160 Kevin King and Shannon Sullivan at this point are only 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:15.599 on one year deals for one so you've got to 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.240 start looking at you've got to start looking at the 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:22.600 future at those positions. And to me, you know, there's 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:26.479 always that with regard to offensive defensive lineman. There's the 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:30.040 planet theory right there. You know, the Lord only makes 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:33.520 so many big guys that can move and and do 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:37.640 the things that offensive offensive lineman and defensive linemen need 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:41.279 to do. Finding a franchise left tackle in the fourth 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.760 round like the Packers did eight years ago with David 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:47.080 bak Try, that's the exception, not the rule in this 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:52.279 in this game. And um so, you know, offensive tackle. Certainly, 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.920 with bok Trs injury, the flexibility the Packers have across 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.760 the offensive line is a huge asset, as you've talked about. 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.600 But with bok tr Is injury, the fact that Rick 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:05.719 Wagner has not been brought back, you've got an offensive 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:09.320 tackle somebody, somebody, whether it's to back up both spots 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.160 as a rookie or to potentially step in and start 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:14.240 right away, depending on how you want to sort that 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.320 thing out. That's got to be a high priles. Yeah, 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:17.800 And I don't want to turn this into like, oh, 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.040 here's who the Packers are going to draft, but more 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.760 than probably any draft maybe going back to two thousand fourteen, 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:26.680 there's a guy fell in love with through this process, 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.360 and that's Tevin Jenkins out of Oklahoma State. Now I'm 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.080 not the draft guy here. You are, Like, if you 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.320 go on Packers dot com, it says senior writer, and 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:37.160 in really small four aerial print it says in draft analyst. 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.640 So you have that going for you as well. Okay, 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.760 so I'm not that guy, but I think I'm as 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.600 excited about Tevin Jenkins as any guy that probably going 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:49.400 back to the C. J. Mosley Ryan Cheesier draft with 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.000 with the safeties being there too, uh, with ha ha, 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:54.640 Clinton Dicks ultimately being the guy the Packers picked. The 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:56.720 reason I really like him is one, if you listen 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:58.560 to him speak, I'm not even gonna talk about the 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.320 xs and os right away. He just sounds like a 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.520 Packers type of player, a Packers type of person. We obviously, 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:06.520 you know you touched on it. There's not a great 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.600 history of offensive line play from from Oklahoma State, but 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.200 the Packers got a pretty darn good one as an 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.640 undrafted free agent in that thirteen after that thirteen draft, 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.360 in Lane Taylor. But you know you also mentioned, you know, 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.200 God only creating so many six ft six people, three 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.800 twenty pomp people, guys that have good footwork that can 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:27.680 play multiple positions. To me, Jenkins really screams a guy 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:29.560 that could go in, you could have an idea of 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:31.040 where you wanted to play him. Last year they got 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:34.120 John Runyon and Adam Stanovich kept him. I believe it 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.120 was a left guard throughout training camp and that was 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:40.280 his station. But I really, I'm not gonna be a 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:42.040 guy that's gonna sit down and break down all these 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.599 prospects for you. But he's one guy that just continually 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.199 makes sense if he's potentially there at the end of 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.640 the first round. Yeah, I'm I'm with you there on 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:54.080 Jenkins again, we've had since the beginning of April, we've 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.679 had a series on our website that we that we 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.920 decided to call Draft Digest new series this year. We 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.440 weren't able to do prospect primers, the you know, the 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.040 videos and voiceovers and all that fun stuff we've done 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.600 in past years because there was no NFL Scouting Combine, 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:09.680 which is where we used to gather all of that 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.640 stuff for prospect Primers. So a little bit of a 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:18.400 condensed written uh series format with Draft Digest, which essentially 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.600 I just did right at the beginning of April, actually 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.000 late March, sat down, looked at a whole bunch of 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:30.840 mock drafts from reputable national media outlets. Not you know, 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.520 hopefully it wasn't. I wasn't looking at the guys doing 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:40.800 stuff in their basement. Com yeah, exact, yeah, um. But essentially, 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.680 just try try to keep a tally in these national 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:47.640 mock drafts of the guys most often projected to be 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.600 selected in the bottom third of the first round, from 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.960 pick number twenty to pick number thirty two. Because yeah, 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:55.959 I mean a lot of a lot of guys are 0:09:56.040 --> 0:10:00.880 probably going to be picked in that but as we said, 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.880 maybe Brian Goudakuns decides to trade up. So so I 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.720 wanted to, you know, just look at the whole bottom 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:11.920 third of the first round there, and you're that guy 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:14.840 you just mentioned. Tevin Jenkins is a guy who's who's 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.160 He's projected in just about every mock draft to be 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.199 drafted somewhere between like twenty and thirty. You know that 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:23.319 that bottom third of the first round is one of 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.679 those as one of those offensive tackles that's going to 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.640 be available late in the first round. I think there 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:31.880 are very good odds there. The other one that I 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:35.480 will mention going back to and this player will be 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.920 in our in our draft. I just series. I'm not sure. 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.600 I'm not even sure if Jenkins has been posted yet. 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:43.800 If he hasn't, he will be because he's on the list. 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.360 Another guy, I'm not sure he's been posted yet. But 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:51.120 with regard to the the thin class of defensive lineman, okay, 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:57.520 Christian Barmore from Alabama. Boy, this is a guy. Now, 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:01.400 there are some questions about, you know, just his overall 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:06.120 experience because he hasn't played a ton at Alabama. Came 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.920 on like gang busters in the college Football Playoff, you know, 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.200 the biggest games of the year for the Crimson Tide. 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:17.400 And when I look at when I look at the 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:21.079 odds of their first off, there's a good chance he 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.560 won't be there at right. But it's one of those 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:28.120 things that because of the Packers need on the defensive line, 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.079 you'd love to get somebody paired there with Kenny Clark 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:34.400 on the interior the defensive line, for somebody, a big 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:37.200 time player that you have in the fold, like long term, 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:41.000 and the fact that this defensive line class is pretty thin. 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:44.360 If a guy like bar More is available at number 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.199 twenty nine, I don't I have no idea. If the 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.719 Packers like it, maybe maybe they don't. I don't know, 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.280 maybe they do like him. I have no idea, but 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.199 it just seems to me that would be a guy 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.600 that would be really really hard to pass up. Um 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.880 based on the state of your ross and the state 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.439 of this particular draft, based on what all the ant 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:07.240 and now, obviously it's not it's not uncommon for you know, 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.280 Alabama players to go out early. You know, they have 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.480 some success and they want to go and obviously get 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:13.719 what's coming to them. And Bar more than in a 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.720 lot of ways, he's he's very much built differently than 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:18.719 Kenny Clark. But doesn't he kind of remind you of 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:20.720 that a little bit in terms of the red shirt sophomore, 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.960 a young guy that you might, you know, not expect 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.280 him to come in right away and be like but 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.160 throughout the course of a year, become a starter, become 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.439 a contributor. Um obviously a good history there as well. 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.600 And it is a short position, it's a short bench there. 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.520 So you do wonder, you know, what is going to 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.120 be available to Green Bay in this draft and are 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.679 you gonna be able to find the big body, the 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:45.959 Mike Daniels type. Are they going to really slip into 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.199 the fourth round um and really surprised people this year 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.080 just because it makes a lot of sense, Mike, when 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.160 we talk about all these various positions, Why is defensive 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.120 line a little bit you know, thinner this year? Why 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.240 is defensive tack a little bit thinner? Because I think 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.280 there's a lot of guys at the college realm wanted 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:01.960 to go back. They're not going to have the twenty 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.319 sax seasons. They wanted to go back and get a 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.720 chance to really show what they can do before going 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.520 out there taking that jump and going into the pros. 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.559 And yeah, it's gonna be uh, you know, supplying demand 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.400 and seeing where those guys could potentially fall. Yeah, And 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.160 another point to make with regard to the defensive line. 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.240 I looked at I looked at drafts over the past 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.920 ten years, essentially the last decade of drafts, and if 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:28.480 you look at all the defensive lineman who were drafted 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:32.160 late in the first round, it's really hard. I mean, 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:35.680 the track record, quite frankly, is terrible. It's really hard 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.439 to find a guy. I mean as far as defensive 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.520 lineman drafted, you know, in the late twenties, late in 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.839 the first round over the last decade. Kenny Clark is 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:48.560 by far the best one like across the like it's 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:52.280 not even close. I mean, the Packers hit a home run. 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:57.840 Finding a guy like Kenny Clark at overall five years 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:02.640 ago in it's really really hard to do. UM. So 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.240 that's that's why I've really got my eye on the 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.400 defensive lineman exactly where they're going to go early in 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.719 this draft. And if one of the top guys, you know, 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:15.679 another one from Washington, Levi on Moozuriki is another one 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.520 in our Draft Digest series. He's another one to keep 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:23.360 an eye on. Two. A guy that, you know, the 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:28.720 a guy that probably is getting and I'm trying not 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:30.840 to be disparaging here, because that's not how I want 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.320 to come off, but a guy that's probably getting maybe 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.920 more attention than he would in another year, just because 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.760 there are so few defensive linemen who are considered, you know, 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.800 a first or high second round, you know, type of 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.760 pick he's graded in that area. But there just aren't 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.280 that many of them, you know. So that's that's the 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.280 point I'm making. Their um quickly was before I forget 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.200 a little bit of sponsored business. Serious x m NFL 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.680 Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to the minute 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:04.040 NFL news That true what ball fanatics need? Seven three six? 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:13.520 All right, you mentioned uh with regard to the cornerback position. 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:15.320 I want to get I want to get your thoughts here, 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:18.520 because there are a lot of guys, a lot of 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.240 corners being projected to go in the first round. It 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.400 looks like they're certainly going to be a few that 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:27.640 will go well before the Packers would be even really 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:31.280 in range of of of legitimately trading up unless good 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.720 Koons is going to make some huge sacrifice, which I 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:37.040 don't which I don't necessarily see. But do you have 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.800 your eye on any guys at the cornerback position if 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:44.320 the Packers potentially uh end up going that route at 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:45.840 the end of the first year. Yeah, I'll start with 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:50.120 Caleb Farley. A couple of reasons for that one. He's 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.080 you're talking about not really knowing where guys are gonna go. 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.720 Farley's one of them because he sat out this past 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:56.800 year and for very good reason. You know, he lost 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:00.200 his mother, wanted to protect his father, you know, all 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:04.280 the right reasons, but had just an absolutely thrilling year 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.240 before that. I mean, we're talking about a guy if 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:08.240 you go buy credentials and what he accomplished in his 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:11.360 college career. Um, you know, in terms of the position, 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.520 he checks all the boxes for you there. But he 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:16.240 stepped away from the game this year, So now there's 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.080 gonna be those questions about guys that didn't play. How 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.080 does that affect their draft stock? Where did they end 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.600 up going doesn't matter at all. But he's been a 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.320 difficult one to kind of get your thumb on and 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.560 where he's gonna fit. But I love the size for 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:31.440 the position, has amazing ball hawking skills. I think positionally 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.000 from a scheme fit could really fit what the Packers 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:35.960 vision is going to be here. But again, is that 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.400 guy going to be there at twenty nine? The one 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.520 that I think everybody at least because of the Big 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:44.040 Ten connections are looking at his Greg Newsome And again 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.440 a guy that has nice size for the position. Uh, 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:50.080 incredibly intelligent, you know. You know, he's been a part 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.440 of that renaissance here, not really a renaissance, but sort 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.560 of taking it to the next level at Northwestern the 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.320 last few seasons. Uh. And and a guy that we've 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:59.320 heard a lot about. If if you follow the Badgers, 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.960 if you follow Big Ten football, you've heard of Greg 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.560 Newso in the last few seasons. Now where does his 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.560 star point in the NFL. I'm not sure, but he 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:09.840 seems to be a guy that could be a plug 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.280 and play type corner Certainly when you look at Green 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.439 Bay and their history now with Northwestern, between Dean Lowery, 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.359 Tyler Lancaster and also getting Danny Vitally a couple of 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.159 years ago, there's been a footprint in a you know, 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:25.000 a connection between those two that state in this program. So, uh, 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:26.919 those are kind of the two that I was looking at. 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:28.800 But as you said, Mike, there's a lot of different 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.399 guys that could potentially be in the mix there and 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.200 seeing how that falls, because even you go back to 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.240 like two thousand eighteen, I think everyone was kind of 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:40.080 high on jyr Alexander and he was a riser throughout 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.600 the draft process, but then there he is ends up 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.240 being the number two or the second cornerback taken in 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:47.600 that draft. Um, and then you go back to two 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:49.680 years ago and then you know Darniell Savage is the 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:53.440 first defensive back drafted. So it's always difficult to pinpoint 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:55.720 which what is going to be the order when the 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:57.879 time comes for guys to come off the board and 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.080 what what exactly how that's going to shuffle up it 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:02.479 when I was going through this process, and you might 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.080 have a couple more names, but those were kind of 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:05.760 the two that's stuck out to me in terms of 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:09.080 has the size that green Bay looks for in the position, 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:11.320 the ball hawking skills, and in a lot of those 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.760 athletic intangibles that the green Bay packers have looked for 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.200 from that position. Yeah, a couple of other guys that 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:21.320 that I did UM draft, I just recaps on UM 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.840 Eric Stokes from Georgia and J. C. Horne from South Carolina. Now, 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:29.080 very different UM evaluations here, because with regard to Stokes, 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.720 the word on him is is maybe he's a late 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.840 first round pick, but a lot of people projecting him 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:39.159 more as a second rounder. So then you wonder, you know, 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.359 if Goudacoons were to trade back from twenty nine, if 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.280 the board looks really strong, then early in the second round, 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:48.600 is that where you grab a guy like Stokes? Now, 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:51.320 just also to provide an example of how these things 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.160 can change, I mentioned doing you know this National mock 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.959 Draft research at the end of March, right well, at 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:01.680 that time, J C. Horne, the cornerback from South Carolina 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:05.399 and the son of former NFL wide receiver Joe Horn. Um, 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.679 he was projected. That's happening now, by the way, Sante 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:13.000 Samuel Jr. I mean, like it's crazy. I know, I 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:14.359 know that's happened to you for a while. But for 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:16.800 guys like me that I grew up watching, now their 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.560 kids are playing, that's gonna make me feel old real fast. 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.240 But at the time I was doing the mock draft research, 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.800 horn was Horn was picked a lot in like the 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.280 early twenties. Like that's where he ended up sort of 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:30.399 in my tally sheet as I was putting it together. 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:34.000 But now here we are a few weeks later, J. C. 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.960 Horne is a guy who has risen up. He's projected 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.160 a lot more often to be picked in the more 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:41.680 in the teens and even you know, potentially in the 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:45.399 in the upper half um of the first round, and 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:47.840 the you know, the chances of him making it into 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.879 the twenties start looking less and less here the closer 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:53.520 we get to the draft. So again, just it just 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:57.639 shows you how how the perceptions and you know, whatever 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.720 whatever uh in formation leaks that are, you know that 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:03.800 are coming out in terms of in terms of how 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:07.080 teams are viewing these prospects. Things can change all the way, 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.359 just even in the even in the last month up 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.760 to Draft day. But those are those are two guys 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:15.280 that have been um, have been highlighted on our on 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.000 our website in the Draft Digest series. If you want 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:20.760