Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from
Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always
Speaker 1: by the one and only Western Hotkowitz. Were coming to
Speaker 1: you here from our studios at lambeau Field and West.
Speaker 1: The first round of the two thousand twenty one NFL
Speaker 1: Draft is one week away from today, so both on
Speaker 1: this show and our show early next week, we're going
Speaker 1: to get into some draft preview here with regard to
Speaker 1: the Packers and those who have been paying attention to
Speaker 1: our website. We'll see that you and I have been
Speaker 1: in the midst of our annual position by position roster review,
Speaker 1: sort of giving the overview of every position on the
Speaker 1: roster where things stand heading into the draft. Today actually
Speaker 1: wraps up the look at the offensive positions. Tomorrow will
Speaker 1: be the start of the defensive positions and carry into
Speaker 1: next week. But I'll just throw this out there to
Speaker 1: you as a wide open question. We know the Packers
Speaker 1: don't ultimately make their draft decisions when it comes right
Speaker 1: down to it and you're on the clock based on
Speaker 1: what position you want. It's about how the board falls
Speaker 1: and the best player available. But what do you see
Speaker 1: as the Packers highest priorities position wise in terms of
Speaker 1: what this roster needs to get out of this draft.
Speaker 1: I just have to start with I. Really, it would
Speaker 1: be really refreshing one year, if you know, because Brian
Speaker 1: Goodins is gonna talk on Monday, he'll do his dress.
Speaker 1: We're gonna hear from him on Monday afternoon. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of gms are doing that right now.
Speaker 1: It would be really refreshing if the GM went up
Speaker 1: there and said, we're going this is like the pick
Speaker 1: in the first round. We're going receiver whatever, We're taking
Speaker 1: the best receiver available now. I don't care about the
Speaker 1: other Just announce your intentions. Make it known to everyone. Receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that would be actually the way you go
Speaker 1: about do this. We don't care how the board falls.
Speaker 1: I don't care if reivers have to take it. We're
Speaker 1: taking a receiver. No, you're right, because if you look
Speaker 1: at it from Green Bay's perspective, they always talked about
Speaker 1: best player available. Everybody talks about best player available now,
Speaker 1: but the Packers started doing it first. Let's just make
Speaker 1: that known as well. But no, I always say this, Mike,
Speaker 1: I use history as my guide here. People mock drafters
Speaker 1: will go and they'll give the Packers a receiver in
Speaker 1: the first round. Packers haven't taken a receiver in the
Speaker 1: first round. And since I was an eighth grader, right
Speaker 1: to talk about inside linebacker, Packers haven't taken a first
Speaker 1: round inside linebackers. It's two thousand five, those type of things.
Speaker 1: So that's why two thousand six, excuse me, two thou
Speaker 1: five was a different first round pick. It was. Man,
Speaker 1: it's been a rough start, you know, but it's been
Speaker 1: a minute, right, So there's two ways you can look
Speaker 1: at that. Either they're overdue for one or that just
Speaker 1: isn't the direction they're gonna go. So me personally, I
Speaker 1: use history as my guide. Packers have gone with a
Speaker 1: lot of offensive linemen, a lot of defensive lineman in
Speaker 1: some defensive backs in the first round. Into me Mike.
Speaker 1: I said it in our offseason show with Larry. I
Speaker 1: look it off pensive line as a position where you're
Speaker 1: going to get a lot of bang for your buck.
Speaker 1: One with the strength of this draft and some of
Speaker 1: the guys that could potentially be available there at number
Speaker 1: twenty nine. But to also because and as I wrote
Speaker 1: in our Position by position that is running on Thursday.
Speaker 1: The Packers have so much versatility there that if you
Speaker 1: find a guy that is a really good prospect that
Speaker 1: maybe he was left tackle, maybe he was a college guard,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe he was a center, although typically that's not
Speaker 1: been a position the Packers have used have drafted in
Speaker 1: the first round. You can move around the rest of
Speaker 1: your pieces. I think this offensive line looks really formidable.
Speaker 1: If you have Billy Turner at right tackle, I think
Speaker 1: you have a guy like Lucas Patrick that can play
Speaker 1: anywhere inside. And then Elton Jenkins is going to be
Speaker 1: the ultimate wild card here throughout his time in Green
Speaker 1: Bay because you can play him in so different, so
Speaker 1: many different positions. So depending on how the board falls,
Speaker 1: that's the position right now I think really makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense for Green Bay. We've heard all the
Speaker 1: rumblings about defensive line not being as as deep in
Speaker 1: this draft, so then that uses the question of do
Speaker 1: you go get one early, do you not get one
Speaker 1: at all? And then certainly some intriguing outside rushers, some
Speaker 1: great cornerbacks that could be available at the end of
Speaker 1: the first round. It's gonna be really interesting, probably more
Speaker 1: than any other draft I've covered. Entering that final stretch
Speaker 1: of the first round, I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that can make sense for Green Bay. Yeah. I've
Speaker 1: been saying this for several weeks now that as far
Speaker 1: as the priority positions of need for the Packers to me,
Speaker 1: there are three that jump out. It's offensive line, defensive line,
Speaker 1: and cornerback. Now that's not to say that I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: you would like to obviously add it inside linebacker, you'd
Speaker 1: like to You definitely like to draft a receiver this
Speaker 1: year after not drafting one last year given the contract
Speaker 1: situations and all that um at that position. But in
Speaker 1: terms of the highest priorities for me, it's the offensive line,
Speaker 1: the defensive line, and cornerback. And when you look at
Speaker 1: what the analysts are saying about this draft, and with
Speaker 1: the Packers sitting at number twenty nine, it sure seems
Speaker 1: like there's a good chance that an offensive tackle or
Speaker 1: a cornerback, because of the depth of those positions, that
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a darn good one there that the
Speaker 1: Packers could get at twenty nine. Could be a lot
Speaker 1: harder to get a defensive lineman because they're talking about
Speaker 1: this being a really thin class in that regard, and
Speaker 1: it also might be difficult to get a quality defensive
Speaker 1: lineman later in the draft. So then you start to wonder, well,
Speaker 1: if one of the top defensive lineman is there at
Speaker 1: twenty nine, can you afford to pass on that guy? Right?
Speaker 1: If there, if there's greater depth that offensive tackle and cornerback,
Speaker 1: then of course there's always with Brian Gudacus, there's always
Speaker 1: the possibility of trading and moving around the board, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, does he trade up from twenty nine? Does
Speaker 1: the board look so strong at twenty nine? Does he
Speaker 1: trade back? You know, a few spots would put him
Speaker 1: in the top of the second round, pick up an
Speaker 1: extra pick somewhere. We'll talk about those possibilities and scenarios
Speaker 1: on our next show a little bit as well. But
Speaker 1: the guys, the guys in the trenches, and then and
Speaker 1: then a cornerback, because beyond JR. Alexander, your next two cornerbacks,
Speaker 1: Kevin King and Shannon Sullivan at this point are only
Speaker 1: on one year deals for one so you've got to
Speaker 1: start looking at you've got to start looking at the
Speaker 1: future at those positions. And to me, you know, there's
Speaker 1: always that with regard to offensive defensive lineman. There's the
Speaker 1: planet theory right there. You know, the Lord only makes
Speaker 1: so many big guys that can move and and do
Speaker 1: the things that offensive offensive lineman and defensive linemen need
Speaker 1: to do. Finding a franchise left tackle in the fourth
Speaker 1: round like the Packers did eight years ago with David
Speaker 1: bak Try, that's the exception, not the rule in this
Speaker 1: in this game. And um so, you know, offensive tackle. Certainly,
Speaker 1: with bok Trs injury, the flexibility the Packers have across
Speaker 1: the offensive line is a huge asset, as you've talked about.
Speaker 1: But with bok tr Is injury, the fact that Rick
Speaker 1: Wagner has not been brought back, you've got an offensive
Speaker 1: tackle somebody, somebody, whether it's to back up both spots
Speaker 1: as a rookie or to potentially step in and start
Speaker 1: right away, depending on how you want to sort that
Speaker 1: thing out. That's got to be a high priles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't want to turn this into like, oh,
Speaker 1: here's who the Packers are going to draft, but more
Speaker 1: than probably any draft maybe going back to two thousand fourteen,
Speaker 1: there's a guy fell in love with through this process,
Speaker 1: and that's Tevin Jenkins out of Oklahoma State. Now I'm
Speaker 1: not the draft guy here. You are, Like, if you
Speaker 1: go on Packers dot com, it says senior writer, and
Speaker 1: in really small four aerial print it says in draft analyst.
Speaker 1: So you have that going for you as well. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm not that guy, but I think I'm as
Speaker 1: excited about Tevin Jenkins as any guy that probably going
Speaker 1: back to the C. J. Mosley Ryan Cheesier draft with
Speaker 1: with the safeties being there too, uh, with ha ha,
Speaker 1: Clinton Dicks ultimately being the guy the Packers picked. The
Speaker 1: reason I really like him is one, if you listen
Speaker 1: to him speak, I'm not even gonna talk about the
Speaker 1: xs and os right away. He just sounds like a
Speaker 1: Packers type of player, a Packers type of person. We obviously,
Speaker 1: you know you touched on it. There's not a great
Speaker 1: history of offensive line play from from Oklahoma State, but
Speaker 1: the Packers got a pretty darn good one as an
Speaker 1: undrafted free agent in that thirteen after that thirteen draft,
Speaker 1: in Lane Taylor. But you know you also mentioned, you know,
Speaker 1: God only creating so many six ft six people, three
Speaker 1: twenty pomp people, guys that have good footwork that can
Speaker 1: play multiple positions. To me, Jenkins really screams a guy
Speaker 1: that could go in, you could have an idea of
Speaker 1: where you wanted to play him. Last year they got
Speaker 1: John Runyon and Adam Stanovich kept him. I believe it
Speaker 1: was a left guard throughout training camp and that was
Speaker 1: his station. But I really, I'm not gonna be a
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna sit down and break down all these
Speaker 1: prospects for you. But he's one guy that just continually
Speaker 1: makes sense if he's potentially there at the end of
Speaker 1: the first round. Yeah, I'm I'm with you there on
Speaker 1: Jenkins again, we've had since the beginning of April, we've
Speaker 1: had a series on our website that we that we
Speaker 1: decided to call Draft Digest new series this year. We
Speaker 1: weren't able to do prospect primers, the you know, the
Speaker 1: videos and voiceovers and all that fun stuff we've done
Speaker 1: in past years because there was no NFL Scouting Combine,
Speaker 1: which is where we used to gather all of that
Speaker 1: stuff for prospect Primers. So a little bit of a
Speaker 1: condensed written uh series format with Draft Digest, which essentially
Speaker 1: I just did right at the beginning of April, actually
Speaker 1: late March, sat down, looked at a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: mock drafts from reputable national media outlets. Not you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully it wasn't. I wasn't looking at the guys doing
Speaker 1: stuff in their basement. Com yeah, exact, yeah, um. But essentially,
Speaker 1: just try try to keep a tally in these national
Speaker 1: mock drafts of the guys most often projected to be
Speaker 1: selected in the bottom third of the first round, from
Speaker 1: pick number twenty to pick number thirty two. Because yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of a lot of guys are
Speaker 1: probably going to be picked in that but as we said,
Speaker 1: maybe Brian Goudakuns decides to trade up. So so I
Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, just look at the whole bottom
Speaker 1: third of the first round there, and you're that guy
Speaker 1: you just mentioned. Tevin Jenkins is a guy who's who's
Speaker 1: He's projected in just about every mock draft to be
Speaker 1: drafted somewhere between like twenty and thirty. You know that
Speaker 1: that bottom third of the first round is one of
Speaker 1: those as one of those offensive tackles that's going to
Speaker 1: be available late in the first round. I think there
Speaker 1: are very good odds there. The other one that I
Speaker 1: will mention going back to and this player will be
Speaker 1: in our in our draft. I just series. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure if Jenkins has been posted yet.
Speaker 1: If he hasn't, he will be because he's on the list.
Speaker 1: Another guy, I'm not sure he's been posted yet. But
Speaker 1: with regard to the the thin class of defensive lineman, okay,
Speaker 1: Christian Barmore from Alabama. Boy, this is a guy. Now,
Speaker 1: there are some questions about, you know, just his overall
Speaker 1: experience because he hasn't played a ton at Alabama. Came
Speaker 1: on like gang busters in the college Football Playoff, you know,
Speaker 1: the biggest games of the year for the Crimson Tide.
Speaker 1: And when I look at when I look at the
Speaker 1: odds of their first off, there's a good chance he
Speaker 1: won't be there at right. But it's one of those
Speaker 1: things that because of the Packers need on the defensive line,
Speaker 1: you'd love to get somebody paired there with Kenny Clark
Speaker 1: on the interior the defensive line, for somebody, a big
Speaker 1: time player that you have in the fold, like long term,
Speaker 1: and the fact that this defensive line class is pretty thin.
Speaker 1: If a guy like bar More is available at number
Speaker 1: twenty nine, I don't I have no idea. If the
Speaker 1: Packers like it, maybe maybe they don't. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe they do like him. I have no idea, but
Speaker 1: it just seems to me that would be a guy
Speaker 1: that would be really really hard to pass up. Um
Speaker 1: based on the state of your ross and the state
Speaker 1: of this particular draft, based on what all the ant
Speaker 1: and now, obviously it's not it's not uncommon for you know,
Speaker 1: Alabama players to go out early. You know, they have
Speaker 1: some success and they want to go and obviously get
Speaker 1: what's coming to them. And Bar more than in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways, he's he's very much built differently than
Speaker 1: Kenny Clark. But doesn't he kind of remind you of
Speaker 1: that a little bit in terms of the red shirt sophomore,
Speaker 1: a young guy that you might, you know, not expect
Speaker 1: him to come in right away and be like but
Speaker 1: throughout the course of a year, become a starter, become
Speaker 1: a contributor. Um obviously a good history there as well.
Speaker 1: And it is a short position, it's a short bench there.
Speaker 1: So you do wonder, you know, what is going to
Speaker 1: be available to Green Bay in this draft and are
Speaker 1: you gonna be able to find the big body, the
Speaker 1: Mike Daniels type. Are they going to really slip into
Speaker 1: the fourth round um and really surprised people this year
Speaker 1: just because it makes a lot of sense, Mike, when
Speaker 1: we talk about all these various positions, Why is defensive
Speaker 1: line a little bit you know, thinner this year? Why
Speaker 1: is defensive tack a little bit thinner? Because I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys at the college realm wanted
Speaker 1: to go back. They're not going to have the twenty
Speaker 1: sax seasons. They wanted to go back and get a
Speaker 1: chance to really show what they can do before going
Speaker 1: out there taking that jump and going into the pros.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's gonna be uh, you know, supplying demand
Speaker 1: and seeing where those guys could potentially fall. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: another point to make with regard to the defensive line.
Speaker 1: I looked at I looked at drafts over the past
Speaker 1: ten years, essentially the last decade of drafts, and if
Speaker 1: you look at all the defensive lineman who were drafted
Speaker 1: late in the first round, it's really hard. I mean,
Speaker 1: the track record, quite frankly, is terrible. It's really hard
Speaker 1: to find a guy. I mean as far as defensive
Speaker 1: lineman drafted, you know, in the late twenties, late in
Speaker 1: the first round over the last decade. Kenny Clark is
Speaker 1: by far the best one like across the like it's
Speaker 1: not even close. I mean, the Packers hit a home run.
Speaker 1: Finding a guy like Kenny Clark at overall five years
Speaker 1: ago in it's really really hard to do. UM. So
Speaker 1: that's that's why I've really got my eye on the
Speaker 1: defensive lineman exactly where they're going to go early in
Speaker 1: this draft. And if one of the top guys, you know,
Speaker 1: another one from Washington, Levi on Moozuriki is another one
Speaker 1: in our Draft Digest series. He's another one to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on. Two. A guy that, you know, the
Speaker 1: a guy that probably is getting and I'm trying not
Speaker 1: to be disparaging here, because that's not how I want
Speaker 1: to come off, but a guy that's probably getting maybe
Speaker 1: more attention than he would in another year, just because
Speaker 1: there are so few defensive linemen who are considered, you know,
Speaker 1: a first or high second round, you know, type of
Speaker 1: pick he's graded in that area. But there just aren't
Speaker 1: that many of them, you know. So that's that's the
Speaker 1: point I'm making. Their um quickly was before I forget
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Speaker 1: All right, you mentioned uh with regard to the cornerback position.
Speaker 1: I want to get I want to get your thoughts here,
Speaker 1: because there are a lot of guys, a lot of
Speaker 1: corners being projected to go in the first round. It
Speaker 1: looks like they're certainly going to be a few that
Speaker 1: will go well before the Packers would be even really
Speaker 1: in range of of of legitimately trading up unless good
Speaker 1: Koons is going to make some huge sacrifice, which I
Speaker 1: don't which I don't necessarily see. But do you have
Speaker 1: your eye on any guys at the cornerback position if
Speaker 1: the Packers potentially uh end up going that route at
Speaker 1: the end of the first year. Yeah, I'll start with
Speaker 1: Caleb Farley. A couple of reasons for that one. He's
Speaker 1: you're talking about not really knowing where guys are gonna go.
Speaker 1: Farley's one of them because he sat out this past
Speaker 1: year and for very good reason. You know, he lost
Speaker 1: his mother, wanted to protect his father, you know, all
Speaker 1: the right reasons, but had just an absolutely thrilling year
Speaker 1: before that. I mean, we're talking about a guy if
Speaker 1: you go buy credentials and what he accomplished in his
Speaker 1: college career. Um, you know, in terms of the position,
Speaker 1: he checks all the boxes for you there. But he
Speaker 1: stepped away from the game this year, So now there's
Speaker 1: gonna be those questions about guys that didn't play. How
Speaker 1: does that affect their draft stock? Where did they end
Speaker 1: up going doesn't matter at all. But he's been a
Speaker 1: difficult one to kind of get your thumb on and
Speaker 1: where he's gonna fit. But I love the size for
Speaker 1: the position, has amazing ball hawking skills. I think positionally
Speaker 1: from a scheme fit could really fit what the Packers
Speaker 1: vision is going to be here. But again, is that
Speaker 1: guy going to be there at twenty nine? The one
Speaker 1: that I think everybody at least because of the Big
Speaker 1: Ten connections are looking at his Greg Newsome And again
Speaker 1: a guy that has nice size for the position. Uh,
Speaker 1: incredibly intelligent, you know. You know, he's been a part
Speaker 1: of that renaissance here, not really a renaissance, but sort
Speaker 1: of taking it to the next level at Northwestern the
Speaker 1: last few seasons. Uh. And and a guy that we've
Speaker 1: heard a lot about. If if you follow the Badgers,
Speaker 1: if you follow Big Ten football, you've heard of Greg
Speaker 1: Newso in the last few seasons. Now where does his
Speaker 1: star point in the NFL. I'm not sure, but he
Speaker 1: seems to be a guy that could be a plug
Speaker 1: and play type corner Certainly when you look at Green
Speaker 1: Bay and their history now with Northwestern, between Dean Lowery,
Speaker 1: Tyler Lancaster and also getting Danny Vitally a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, there's been a footprint in a you know,
Speaker 1: a connection between those two that state in this program. So, uh,
Speaker 1: those are kind of the two that I was looking at.
Speaker 1: But as you said, Mike, there's a lot of different
Speaker 1: guys that could potentially be in the mix there and
Speaker 1: seeing how that falls, because even you go back to
Speaker 1: like two thousand eighteen, I think everyone was kind of
Speaker 1: high on jyr Alexander and he was a riser throughout
Speaker 1: the draft process, but then there he is ends up
Speaker 1: being the number two or the second cornerback taken in
Speaker 1: that draft. Um, and then you go back to two
Speaker 1: years ago and then you know Darniell Savage is the
Speaker 1: first defensive back drafted. So it's always difficult to pinpoint
Speaker 1: which what is going to be the order when the
Speaker 1: time comes for guys to come off the board and
Speaker 1: what what exactly how that's going to shuffle up it
Speaker 1: when I was going through this process, and you might
Speaker 1: have a couple more names, but those were kind of
Speaker 1: the two that's stuck out to me in terms of
Speaker 1: has the size that green Bay looks for in the position,
Speaker 1: the ball hawking skills, and in a lot of those
Speaker 1: athletic intangibles that the green Bay packers have looked for
Speaker 1: from that position. Yeah, a couple of other guys that
Speaker 1: that I did UM draft, I just recaps on UM
Speaker 1: Eric Stokes from Georgia and J. C. Horne from South Carolina. Now,
Speaker 1: very different UM evaluations here, because with regard to Stokes,
Speaker 1: the word on him is is maybe he's a late
Speaker 1: first round pick, but a lot of people projecting him
Speaker 1: more as a second rounder. So then you wonder, you know,
Speaker 1: if Goudacoons were to trade back from twenty nine, if
Speaker 1: the board looks really strong, then early in the second round,
Speaker 1: is that where you grab a guy like Stokes? Now,
Speaker 1: just also to provide an example of how these things
Speaker 1: can change, I mentioned doing you know this National mock
Speaker 1: Draft research at the end of March, right well, at
Speaker 1: that time, J C. Horne, the cornerback from South Carolina
Speaker 1: and the son of former NFL wide receiver Joe Horn. Um,
Speaker 1: he was projected. That's happening now, by the way, Sante
Speaker 1: Samuel Jr. I mean, like it's crazy. I know, I
Speaker 1: know that's happened to you for a while. But for
Speaker 1: guys like me that I grew up watching, now their
Speaker 1: kids are playing, that's gonna make me feel old real fast.
Speaker 1: But at the time I was doing the mock draft research,
Speaker 1: horn was Horn was picked a lot in like the
Speaker 1: early twenties. Like that's where he ended up sort of
Speaker 1: in my tally sheet as I was putting it together.
Speaker 1: But now here we are a few weeks later, J. C.
Speaker 1: Horne is a guy who has risen up. He's projected
Speaker 1: a lot more often to be picked in the more
Speaker 1: in the teens and even you know, potentially in the
Speaker 1: in the upper half um of the first round, and
Speaker 1: the you know, the chances of him making it into
Speaker 1: the twenties start looking less and less here the closer
Speaker 1: we get to the draft. So again, just it just
Speaker 1: shows you how how the perceptions and you know, whatever
Speaker 1: whatever uh in formation leaks that are, you know that
Speaker 1: are coming out in terms of in terms of how
Speaker 1: teams are viewing these prospects. Things can change all the way,
Speaker 1: just even in the even in the last month up
Speaker 1: to Draft day. But those are those are two guys
Speaker 1: that have been um, have been highlighted on our on
Speaker 1: our website in the Draft Digest series. If you want
Speaker 1: to go check out check them out as well. I
Speaker 1: want to go back to UM. I want to go
Speaker 1: back to the offensive line a little bit too, just
Speaker 1: to get any thoughts you might have on other guys
Speaker 1: you mentioned Tevin Jenkins, the other one out to stick
Speaker 1: with the Big twelve. UM. Samuel Cozmi from Texts is another. UM.
Speaker 1: These are the two. These are the two guys when
Speaker 1: I was, you know, kind of researching and reading about him.
Speaker 1: These are the two guys that for offensive lineman sort
Speaker 1: of have been have been labeled as having like this
Speaker 1: nasty streak, like whatever that whatever that exactly. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure um, but UM, but it sounds like these are
Speaker 1: these are kind of some like bad dudes when they
Speaker 1: put the when they put the helmet on. UM. So
Speaker 1: just just curious. But Kasmi is another one who strikes
Speaker 1: me a lot like Jenkins from Oklahoma State in that
Speaker 1: in that the size and all the physical characteristics are there,
Speaker 1: the experience, the number of games they've played, everything is there.
Speaker 1: And also there's some flexibility there as to whether, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's right side, left side, maybe it's even guard
Speaker 1: if you want to go that route and move other
Speaker 1: guys around. Um, just another another guy to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on there. But I don't know if there any
Speaker 1: other offensive lineman that you've that you've heard about. We
Speaker 1: have to talk about Quinn Miners, right, you have to.
Speaker 1: This is what's what's great about his story, the white
Speaker 1: Water War Hook. If there's anything that there was a
Speaker 1: state of Wisconsin has produced over the last twenty five
Speaker 1: years in the national it's offensive lineman. How does a
Speaker 1: kid from Wisconsin from Hartford end up at and all
Speaker 1: due respect white Water. White Water is a powerhouse Division
Speaker 1: three powerhouse my entire lifetime, basically right at least my
Speaker 1: adult life. How does no one catch onto this kid
Speaker 1: and then he goes to Whitewater has a great run there,
Speaker 1: and it's not just like oh, like, oh he might
Speaker 1: get picked, might be a seventh rounder. I mean, this
Speaker 1: guy is probably gonna be a starting center in this
Speaker 1: league or at least a starting offensive lineman. I mean
Speaker 1: in his story and it's been kind of well documented
Speaker 1: here through the draft and obviously he's been on NFL
Speaker 1: Network and all these different appearances he's made. But you know,
Speaker 1: they joke about the short shirt and you know those
Speaker 1: type of things, and they makes good headlines and makes
Speaker 1: good videos that you want to click on. But the
Speaker 1: guys are really good football player and it's kind of
Speaker 1: cool for a state that only has one Division one
Speaker 1: football program that a lot of times, if you're not
Speaker 1: going to Wisconsin, you're leaking out to the MAC, you're
Speaker 1: leaking out to you know, the Division two schools out
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Uh, this guy went to Whitewater and he
Speaker 1: made himself into an NFL prospect, and just seeing his
Speaker 1: story play out, I'm very curious to see a where
Speaker 1: he goes b which team is going to take him,
Speaker 1: because for Whitewater, they've had guys get to the pros,
Speaker 1: some of them have been done it in Green Day Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: but they haven't had like a big prospect in the
Speaker 1: National Football League a guy that has expectations on him,
Speaker 1: and Quinn is going to be that guy. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean from what I'm hearing. I mean, it's it sounds
Speaker 1: like he's a Day two pick. They're talking second or
Speaker 1: third round for a guy out of u W. Whitewater,
Speaker 1: which is which is quite the quite the praise and
Speaker 1: quite the accomplishment. There one more question I'm gonna throw
Speaker 1: at you before we go for today. You mentioned right
Speaker 1: off the top the Packers have not drafted a wide
Speaker 1: receiver in the first round since two thousand and two,
Speaker 1: since your eighth grade year out there in the Howard
Speaker 1: Swamicko School District, bay View. There you go, bay View
Speaker 1: Middle School. Um, but I want to ask you this question.
Speaker 1: If that streak were to end and the Packers were
Speaker 1: to draft a receiver in the first round, a lot
Speaker 1: of different guys being talked about. You have your you
Speaker 1: have like your smaller sort of slot guy is like
Speaker 1: the Cadarius Tony from Florida, Elijah More from Mississippi, Rondale
Speaker 1: Moore from Perdue. You have, I guess what I would say,
Speaker 1: You're You're more full bodied like bigger receivers Rashad Bateman
Speaker 1: from Minnesota. A guy like Terris Marshall from l s
Speaker 1: U another example in that regard. So my question to
Speaker 1: you is, if the streak dating back to two thousand
Speaker 1: and two were to end, do you think which type
Speaker 1: of receiver do you think Brian Goodkins might go? It
Speaker 1: would be funny if the streak ended that they just
Speaker 1: go all in, they just go up and get Davonte Smith.
Speaker 1: Let's just let's just get him. Let's bring him in.
Speaker 1: Davante likes him. Who weighed who weighed a hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty six pounds? I believe when he when he weighed
Speaker 1: in in Indianapolis the other day a hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: six pounds playing in the NFL. I mean, the guy
Speaker 1: is an incredible athlete and incredible football player. But man,
Speaker 1: when you step on the scale and that's your size
Speaker 1: in this league, it's gonna it's gonna raise some questions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin. It was funny last year when he came
Speaker 1: in and we were visiting when he came out in
Speaker 1: l a or excuse me, at the time. St. Louis
Speaker 1: made him, what was the eighth overall pick and he
Speaker 1: was a hundred seventy eight coming out and people were
Speaker 1: kind of wondering about that. So Smith is gonna have
Speaker 1: to break down some barriers. Here for the receiver position,
Speaker 1: if he's gonna just to add to a lot of
Speaker 1: people wondered about Aaron Donald's size as well, and what
Speaker 1: look what Aaron Donald has done on the defensive line
Speaker 1: with multiple Defensive Players of the Year and all that.
Speaker 1: But we digressed. We're not going to be covering Davante Smith.
Speaker 1: The Packers didn't lose enough games for the you know,
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith to be in their their neck of the woods.
Speaker 1: But okay, so Bateman is obviously if you look from
Speaker 1: a pure standpoint again going back to the track record
Speaker 1: of what the Packers have drafted, Bateman fits the mold.
Speaker 1: That's the type of receiver they've gone after. They've liked
Speaker 1: those you know, six three, six four receivers since Brian
Speaker 1: Goods has ben GM That's the direction they've they've tilted.
Speaker 1: That being said, Mike, the Packers, we don't there is
Speaker 1: no third running back right now. Tyler Irvin is still
Speaker 1: a free agent. I wonder, like I said, with last
Speaker 1: year when they drafted Josiah Deguara, we learned at that
Speaker 1: moment how much that flex fullback tight end position is
Speaker 1: going to mean in this offense. In this draft, we're
Speaker 1: gonna learn a lot about what the that sweep jet
Speaker 1: sweep receiver means, because I think we learned with Austin
Speaker 1: coming in it doesn't have to be a running back.
Speaker 1: It can be a receiver. But what kind of investment
Speaker 1: do they want to put into that? So that being said,
Speaker 1: Elijah Moore is my guy if they end up not
Speaker 1: saying he's gonna just do that, but I mean in
Speaker 1: terms of the shiftier, smaller receiver that can do a
Speaker 1: lot of different things for you sizes what it is,
Speaker 1: but I think you've seen guys if they can prove
Speaker 1: that their body can stand up to the hits in
Speaker 1: the week to week now seventeen games in a regular season,
Speaker 1: that they can be really dynamic in this league. And
Speaker 1: he's the one that when I go through this list
Speaker 1: in terms of what is realistic for Green Bay at
Speaker 1: the end of the first round, he's the guy that
Speaker 1: jumps off the board for yeah, I mean to me,
Speaker 1: to me, the only the only reason that these that
Speaker 1: these you know, smaller, speedier, lot wide receivers are even
Speaker 1: being considered or mocked by the experts, some of them
Speaker 1: to the Packers at the end of the first round
Speaker 1: is all because of Matt Lafleur's scheme in my opinion
Speaker 1: that that they see it. They see it. It's seen
Speaker 1: as as a need and Matt Matt Lafleur's track record
Speaker 1: is that he wants to have one of those guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, they went and plucked Tyler Irvin out of
Speaker 1: nowhere and boom he was. He was thrown into the
Speaker 1: offense right away late in twenty nineteen. They tried to
Speaker 1: do the same thing last year with Tavon Austin because
Speaker 1: Irvin was hurt, they didn't have that guy like Matt
Speaker 1: Lafleur wants that guy. So the question you just asked, like,
Speaker 1: how big an investments are they going to make? Because
Speaker 1: I think the Packers are going to address that position
Speaker 1: in this draft. I just don't know what round or
Speaker 1: what pick you know they're going to use to do it.
Speaker 1: How big of an investment are they going to make?
Speaker 1: Because because Matt Lafleur wants that guy, he wants he
Speaker 1: wants that type of weapon in his offense to add
Speaker 1: to the openness of creativity and everything in the playbook.
Speaker 1: You got the cool stat about Minnesota. I want you
Speaker 1: to say it now in terms of the Packers. How
Speaker 1: long had it been since they drafted with somebody from Minnesota,
Speaker 1: even though the fact that they've drafted more golfers than
Speaker 1: any other player in NFL history. Yeah, when the Packers
Speaker 1: drafted Kamal Martin last year, they had not drafted a
Speaker 1: player from the University of Minnesota since, and yet Minnesota
Speaker 1: still ranks number one in all time in terms of
Speaker 1: the number of players the Packers have drafted from that school.
Speaker 1: So yeah, just an interesting tidbit I happened to come
Speaker 1: across when I was doing some research. I do like
Speaker 1: Bateman a lot. You know, the one thing about Minnesota
Speaker 1: is you don't really think and this is no disrespect
Speaker 1: to their program, but you know, they've been they've gone
Speaker 1: through some lane years. In my adult life, you haven't
Speaker 1: really been able to think of many guys that came
Speaker 1: out of that program that were like stars in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Plenty of guys that played at a high level in
Speaker 1: the NFL, but not a lot of stars. Bateman has
Speaker 1: the star factor. He had it when he played for
Speaker 1: the Golfers, and I think he's going to have it
Speaker 1: at the next level. I'm very curious to see which
Speaker 1: direction he goes and as I said, Mike, I think
Speaker 1: the number one thing we're gonna learn whatever round the
Speaker 1: Packers draft receiver. And I'm not saying there have to,
Speaker 1: but if they don't, it'll be the first time in
Speaker 1: franchise history that they've gone three straight drafts without taking one.
Speaker 1: It's never happened since the receiver position has been a
Speaker 1: designation basically. So when they do draft that guy, is
Speaker 1: it going to be another six four body or is
Speaker 1: it going to be someone that's a little bit smaller
Speaker 1: and shift here. That's the number one thing I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna learn about with this offense in the direction
Speaker 1: it's going in this season. Yeah. Alright, well we've gone
Speaker 1: way over time today are It was fun? It was fun.
Speaker 1: Our producer Marv is going to be mad at us,
Speaker 1: but uh, forgive us Marv. With that, we are signing
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Speaker 1: for Wes. I'm Mike. Thank you for tuning in, everybody,
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